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Speaker 2: Love that style me too. We just wear what we're given. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: All right.

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Speaker 2: So we've talked about tension level, and I think since

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Speaker 3: So now we're sitting at four and eight.

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Speaker 2: Playoffs are pretty much we're not mathematically eliminated yet, are we.

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Speaker 5: No, but it's like close less than one percent chance

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Speaker 5: less than one percent according to ESPN.

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Speaker 3: Well that's last word.

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Speaker 2: You know, you're you're you're what we'll let you know,

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Speaker 2: of these deals. So is it palpable now is or

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Speaker 2: is it reached almost a point of Okay, we're past that.

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Speaker 2: We know we're not going to be a playoff team.

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Speaker 2: So now we kind of go in another gear and

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Speaker 2: we're not quite as tense as we were before.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't.

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Speaker 5: I don't, uh, well, entering last week, I didn't think

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Speaker 5: things were quite as tense. This game was so bad

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Speaker 5: offensively that I mean, like if you made a list

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Speaker 5: past two decades, in terms of the offensive production, it's

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Speaker 5: and twenty or something. They're they're within a tiny one

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Speaker 5: percent of the absolute worst offensive games that have ever

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Speaker 5: been played in this Just to help yourself and so like,

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Speaker 5: I think that and not to rub it in, but

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Speaker 5: I think that just the level of the of what's

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Speaker 5: you know, through the Seahawks game, offensively, it's been at

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Speaker 5: such a low level that I think, I don't want

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Speaker 5: to say raise tension, but it's like it's it's it's

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Speaker 5: really a hit, you know, like that this is not

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Speaker 5: just like a season that's gone wrong. This is a

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Speaker 5: season that has hit an unprecedented, nearly unprecedented rut.

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Speaker 2: Well you I think we quoted, in fact, you had

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Speaker 2: retweeted something about the is it the DVOA?

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Speaker 2: For some reason among you football wants that seems to

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Speaker 2: It got my attention because I think this was the

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Speaker 2: worst last the Seattle game was the worst DVOA reading

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Speaker 2: that the Vikings had had the last fifty years, and

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Speaker 2: it was offensively and it was twenty percentage points worse

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Speaker 3: It wasn't even close.

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Speaker 5: And that gives you just an idea of it's the

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Speaker 5: part of that was the Falcons game in week two. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: Must this be for the quarterback whisper?

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Speaker 3: You know, he brought up that you know you had.

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Speaker 5: Basically what he was saying is that he's realizing he's

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Speaker 5: you know, twenty thirty yards downfield. And we've seen a

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Speaker 5: It's not just these tiny, you know, quick game type things.

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Speaker 2: According not according to Ben Johnson, but it'll take six

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Speaker 5: And so what he said was like saying, yeah, right,

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Speaker 3: Basically, But shouldn't that have been obviously a little sooner.

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Speaker 2: I think that's a fair observation because because that sounds

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Speaker 2: I see all these openings. And if your team, though

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and it might be that that's easier said than done.

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Speaker 5: they've done nothing. But I think what to me and

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Speaker 5: Is that maybe you know the offense as it's built

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Speaker 5: Yeah, like that, maybe that's not a great match either.

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Speaker 5: And that's probably part of what we're talking about. You know,

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Speaker 2: Well, here's the stat I want, and maybe you'll tell

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Speaker 2: me you've already reported it or someone else has. What

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Speaker 5: but they definitely throw a lot more in those situations

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Speaker 3: Like and that's part of it.

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Speaker 5: But like to me, like, that's that's a smaller part

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Speaker 5: of the larger picture that he's acknowledging that, like the

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Speaker 2: Right now, I'm looking for the headline here to shut

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Speaker 2: can find it on the fly because it's related. You

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Speaker 2: don't have the comforts of this quarterback situation, No, I don't. Unfortunately. Oh,

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Speaker 2: here's the headline. This is a headline on an Alex

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Speaker 2: see if you agree that the Vikings are already at

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Speaker 2: the point that he suggests they are.

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Speaker 3: Okay, here's your headline.

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Speaker 2: Vikings seem likely to return to all too familiar quarterback

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Speaker 2: market this offseason. So are we already a place where

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Speaker 2: you agree with that that when you factor in losing

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Speaker 2: bring in a veteran quarterback and spend some money to

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Speaker 2: even if it's at the expense of JJ McCarthy's growth.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, And I guess it depends on what qualifies in

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Speaker 5: I'm a do they need to do what the Colts

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Speaker 3: To get next year's Daniel Jones.

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Speaker 5: You know, Daniel Jones himself will be a lot more

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Speaker 5: don't know if I'm quite at the point where I

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Speaker 5: to go into next season with a much better alternative

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Speaker 5: that deliberate?

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Speaker 3: Yes? Yeah? Was that a mistake?

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Speaker 1: No?

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Speaker 3: Okay, I think they wanted. I think, I really think.

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Speaker 5: They wanted to sign Daniel Jones and had and thought

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Speaker 5: the Colts, I think they were caught a little flat

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Speaker 5: footed or they they clearly didn't have a third option

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Speaker 5: so they yeah and so are you waiting?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you're there. I'm just letting it pass over me.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I can't take the statute of limitations, like is

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Speaker 4: There's got to be the promise he's never going to

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Speaker 3: Yes, forever. I've worried he's traumatized.

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Speaker 2: But anyway, I know he's a tough guy.

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Speaker 5: I think that the local coverage was responsible and accurate.

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Speaker 3: And he asked, Jefferson, No, you're that, you asked, I

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Speaker 3: It was just that there was more than what you

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Speaker 5: It was there was nothing in training camp that told

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Speaker 2: Kevin Seffort is with us on location today our toys

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Speaker 2: for Tot's event at Shields in Eden Prairie. We will

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Speaker 2: telephone in about one hour. Part of what you guys

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Speaker 5: Well, I've only caught caught up a little bit on

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Speaker 5: This was the first time that he declined to speak

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Speaker 5: the game. I was in the interview room get to

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Speaker 5: get O'Connell and then to get Max Prosmer. And but

442
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Speaker 5: Justin's been doing this long enough, Like it wasn't like

443
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Speaker 5: he didn't realize any people didn't want to talk to him.

444
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Speaker 5: He chose not to And so you can only like, well,

445
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Speaker 5: we'll get him at some point, we'll ask him about it.

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Speaker 3: You can only assume that he.

447
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Speaker 5: Either didn't want to have to say the same thing

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Speaker 5: over and over again or was concerned about what he

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Speaker 5: might say.

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Speaker 3: Those are the two options.

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Speaker 5: My guess it's more of the former, right, He just

452
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Speaker 5: like he's been around long enough, Like if he were

453
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Speaker 5: the blow up kind of you know, in an interview

454
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Speaker 5: postgame interview guy like some at some point in the

455
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Speaker 5: past five years, that probably would have happened in six years,

456
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Speaker 5: and so I don't.

457
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Speaker 3: Think that he was like ready to blow kind of thing.

458
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Speaker 5: And if it ever came to be that he wanted

459
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Speaker 5: to have a fresh start, like I don't think he

460
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Speaker 5: would like stand in front of camera be the person

461
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Speaker 5: to do that, Like it would just be communicated to

462
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Speaker 5: the team and they would go from there.

463
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Speaker 3: And so.

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Speaker 5: There's no there's no public evidence that he's changed how

465
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Speaker 5: he feels about the organization or changed how he feels

466
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Speaker 5: about the situation. But when one after another after another

467
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Speaker 5: piles on, it just feels that much worse.

468
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Speaker 3: So what's he make now or what's she gonna be making?

469
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Speaker 5: Thirty Well, his contract is basically thirty five million a year.

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Speaker 2: So when I asked you about this before, you've recoiled

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Speaker 2: at the whole concept. But I ask it again, now,

472
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Speaker 2: does there come a point where if you're going to

473
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Speaker 2: have a quarterback on training wheels that's going to take

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Speaker 2: a lot of time that it makes no sense to

475
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Speaker 2: continue to pay or to have a thirty five million

476
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Speaker 2: dollars wide receiver no matter how much a level.

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Speaker 5: Well, sort of their whole team building concept is that

478
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Speaker 5: he's the franch he's the quarterback of the team. And

479
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Speaker 5: so I just story this past offseason about like, has

480
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Speaker 5: there ever have there ever been times in the NFL

481
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Speaker 5: history where you've seen a Hall of Fame, like a

482
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Speaker 5: big time Hall of Fame kind of receiver win a.

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Speaker 3: Super Bowl with a quarterback that was whatever. And no,

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Speaker 3: the answer is no.

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Speaker 5: If you look at all the Hall of Fame receivers

486
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Speaker 5: that won a Super Bowl, the only ones that won

487
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Speaker 5: it without a Hall of Fame quarterback, Like it is

488
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Speaker 5: Cliff Branch who was playing with Jim Plunkett, who was

489
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Speaker 5: is like a borderline.

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Speaker 3: Hall of Fame. Yeah, he was like, yeah, redemption guy.

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Speaker 3: So he came back very good.

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Speaker 5: Yes, it's a long time ago, right, but for the

493
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Speaker 5: experienced fans, like he was a really good player. And

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Speaker 5: the other one's Art Monk, who one I think with

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Speaker 5: like Stan Humphries and and uh not Jay straight Mark

496
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Speaker 5: Ripping and so so he he's sort of credit by

497
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Speaker 5: Gibbs Jicks.

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Speaker 3: And then they were a big run team, you know

499
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Speaker 3: and all that.

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Speaker 5: But Hogs Hogs, we wouldn't uh countertrait all that kind

501
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Speaker 5: of at the Hogs here, you know, we're a passing team.

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Speaker 5: So it really like it's not. There's not a whole

503
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Speaker 5: lot of precedent in the entirety of NFL history for

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Speaker 5: Justin Jefferson or like with Jerry Rice have won a

505
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Speaker 5: Super Bowl without Joe Montage, like you go to the

506
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Speaker 5: very high levels. Randy Moss, hall of Fame receiver, didn't

507
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Speaker 5: win a Super Bowl and he did play with a

508
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Speaker 5: Hall of Fame quarterback in Tom Brady.

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Speaker 3: And so uh, it's uh, it's a team.

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Speaker 5: It's a team all like quarterbacks here, right and so

511
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Speaker 5: what so the team building concept would be, we're paying

512
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Speaker 5: Justin Jefferson is our franchise guy, and we're getting a

513
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Speaker 5: steal at the quarterback position because he's on a rookie

514
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Speaker 5: and that's and but you need to have the level

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Speaker 5: of performance and so clearly that's that makes it a

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Speaker 5: very uphill challenge.

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Speaker 2: All Right, we got one more short segment with mister

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Speaker 2: Seffert before I think you've got stuff to go do.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's been a good hour with him. We'll get a.

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Speaker 2: Couple more questions in for Seafert Top five.

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Speaker 2: Louis will join as well to talk some hockey about

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Speaker 2: your red hot Minnesota Wild Club. Are we back in

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Speaker 2: action tonight. I think we are. We I believe so

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Speaker 2: pretty sure we're back in action tonight, Edmonton. Blakemore reminds me.

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Speaker 2: So we'll get to all that with Luigi a little

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Speaker 2: What else is there to talk about other than the

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Speaker 2: quarterback situation for this team? Kevin Schieffert At this point,

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Speaker 2: what's left? What's worth talking about?

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Speaker 4: You know?

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Speaker 5: I mean, I guess if you want to get really conspiratorial,

546
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Speaker 5: and you could say, like a season like this that

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Speaker 5: so much money has been spent on I think they

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Speaker 5: had what three hundred and fifty million dollars?

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Speaker 3: Is what the what the payroll is? For sure?

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Speaker 5: The owners cranky, so that would like I gain what

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Speaker 5: I'm It's like, there will be accountability, but will accountability

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Speaker 5: include people coming and going?

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Speaker 3: And I don't have the answer to that yet. I

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Speaker 3: don't know.

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Speaker 5: Both the coach and the general managers signed contract extensions

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Speaker 5: after last season. You don't often see anything along those

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Speaker 5: lines changing so quickly, but you know, I guess you know,

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Speaker 5: there's there's coaching staffs, there's scouting staffs, there's personnel staffs.

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Speaker 5: It's hard, I think, And you talked about asked about

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Speaker 5: tension earlier, and so I think everyone who has experience

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Speaker 5: in the NFL knows that often times, not every time,

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Speaker 5: but oftentimes when there's a season this disappointing and this,

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Speaker 5: you know, I guess catastrophic in some ways, given the

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Speaker 5: amount of money that's been spent, and given the amount

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Speaker 5: of work that might need to be done at quarterback

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Speaker 5: and other positions to kind of recover from it. That

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Speaker 5: often someone escapegoaded, or someone is held accountable, or something

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Speaker 5: has to be changed. You can't just run it back

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Speaker 5: and so or Sometimes they do, but often they don't.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 5: So the question now becomes through the course of the

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Speaker 5: next five weeks and into the into the start of

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Speaker 5: the off season, is who, if anyone, will be called accountable.

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Speaker 5: I don't have answers for you or speculation on that, probably,

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Speaker 5: but I do think that that's what we all need

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Speaker 5: to be thinking about and and wondering, you know what,

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Speaker 5: what will you know?

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Speaker 3: Typically the Wilfs, at.

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Speaker 5: The end of the season, whether it ends without playoff

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Speaker 5: or in the playoffs or whatever, they have a sort

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Speaker 5: of high high end organizational meeting. It's often in New

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Speaker 5: Jersey in their offices there where the top people from

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Speaker 5: the various departments go. Sometimes it's just the coach and

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Speaker 5: the GM and somebody else or what have you. And

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Speaker 5: so that's where that all I think will probably get

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Speaker 5: hashed out, if there's going to be anything to hash out.

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Speaker 5: But we'll see, we'll see exactly, and I don't know.

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Speaker 5: I think there could be some variance in it based

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Speaker 5: on how these five weeks go. If they finish in

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Speaker 5: a way that tells you that it looks like they

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Speaker 5: finally figured it out, or the quarterback finally figured it out,

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Speaker 5: or they're going in the right direction and the plan

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Speaker 5: is good, then maybe it's not. The accountability doesn't stretch

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Speaker 5: into people losing their jobs.

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Speaker 3: But we'll have to see.

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Speaker 2: Is it fair to say that if the Vikings had

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Speaker 2: avoided the big pick six that opened up the game

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Speaker 2: a little bit from a scoring standpoint, and let's say

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Speaker 2: somehow playing really conservatively, had eked out something like a

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Speaker 2: twelve to nine victory with a bunch of field goals,

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Speaker 2: that the big angle of the story would be well,

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Speaker 2: I mean Sam Donald, Yeah, he's looked pretty good much

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Speaker 2: of the season, but man, we didn't see all that

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Speaker 2: much in this game. If the angle you're looking for

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Speaker 2: is Sam donald revenge game, and he proved once again

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Speaker 2: that the Vikings screwed up not finding a way to

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Speaker 2: keep him because there was nothing about the Seattle offense

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Speaker 2: that impressed me much.

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Speaker 3: Now, again, that's one game, but would that have been

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Speaker 3: the angle in a way in Seattle.

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Speaker 5: I've been following sort of the coverage postgame, and there's

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Speaker 5: been a lot of discussion about what it means because

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Speaker 5: it was like, was it two weeks ago when he

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Speaker 5: played the Rams and threw four interceptions and then they

615
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Speaker 5: had a decent game, and then this one, which I

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Speaker 5: don't think, you know, prompted a whole lot of confidence

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Speaker 5: and excitement, and I think in Seattle has prompted a

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Speaker 5: little bit of discussion of Like what we've talked about

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Speaker 5: here is that, you know, there's a lot of good

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Speaker 5: things about Sam and the way he can throw the

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Speaker 5: ball and create yards and touchdowns and wins in the

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Speaker 5: regular season, but what is his ceiling?

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Speaker 3: Like can he can he be?

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Speaker 5: Is he gonna end up being for Seattle what he

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Speaker 5: was for Minnesota to get them to the playoffs and

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Speaker 5: no further? And so that discussion there is already happening.

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Speaker 5: But there's a lot of teams, and we said this

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Speaker 5: last year too, a lot of teams that that would yeah,

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Speaker 5: it would be an upgrade to have even that level

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Speaker 5: of performance.

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Speaker 3: Who's the best team in the division? In the division?

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Speaker 5: I you know, obviously the as you know, the Bears.

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Speaker 2: I don't know, pick the Bear they I'm not I

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Speaker 2: don't think they are the best team in the division, frankly, but.

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Speaker 5: I think the Packers are and and I know the

636
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:11,080
Speaker 5: Bears are on the top of the division and top

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Speaker 5: seed and all that.

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Speaker 3: But however, it ends up working.

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Speaker 5: Like I think the Lions have had just there's just

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Speaker 5: a lot of injuries there and they got kind of

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Speaker 5: desperate trying to get Frank rag Now at center, and

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Speaker 5: and then he turned out he was walking around with

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Speaker 5: a Grade three hamstring tear, which is basically when it's

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Speaker 5: off the bone, and so yeah, and so he's not

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Speaker 5: able to help.

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Speaker 3: And so they've just had a lot of injuries. You know, Dan.

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Speaker 5: Campbell, you know, pulled play calling from his offense new

648
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Speaker 5: offense coordinator in the middle of the season, and it's

649
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Speaker 5: worked a little bit better. But I think if I

650
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Speaker 5: had to pick a team right now that's most well rounded,

651
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Speaker 5: it's the Packers and and we'll see, you know how

652
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Speaker 5: you know, whether it's the Ying or the Yang when

653
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Speaker 5: they get to the playoffs. But to have a defense

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Speaker 5: like that that's.

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Speaker 3: Just you know, can be lights out.

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Speaker 5: And to have a thoser like Micah Parsons, who can,

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Speaker 5: you know, just if a game is close, can take

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Speaker 5: over another team's offense. And to have you know, I

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Speaker 5: still think for as much crap as as Matt or

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00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:17,000
Speaker 5: Matt Lioner, Matt there the Matt Lafleur has gotten for

661
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Speaker 5: the way he's called plays and managed the offense. I

662
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Speaker 5: still think they have a have a pretty good group

663
00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:24,480
Speaker 5: there and so all around, you know, they're the best

664
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Speaker 5: team in the NFC.

665
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Speaker 3: I don't know, but in the division, I think they are.

666
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:31,400
Speaker 2: Did Ben Johnson effectively silence the b m I debate

667
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:34,880
Speaker 2: about which NFC North coach has the best BMI when

668
00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:37,680
Speaker 2: he took a shirt off after the Vike the Bears

669
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Speaker 2: Black Friday victory over the Eagles.

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Speaker 5: Kind of blacked out when he did it, and he

671
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Speaker 5: it was.

672
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Speaker 3: It was impressive.

673
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Speaker 5: I'm glad he he he held up on it on

674
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Speaker 5: the bet that he had made, and so that was

675
00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:52,040
Speaker 5: I don't think we'll see many other coaches doing that.

676
00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:54,400
Speaker 5: It's funny like Dan Campbell probably is the is the

677
00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:58,720
Speaker 5: in terms of physical specimens. That's not that guy, but

678
00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:02,960
Speaker 5: who but he's not guy. Sometimes the guys that take

679
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:05,480
Speaker 5: their shirts off are not the toughest. They're the guys

680
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:07,040
Speaker 5: they want people to think they're the toughest.

681
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Speaker 3: I don't know.

682
00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:10,800
Speaker 5: True, and so Dan Campbell doesn't need to take is No,

683
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:11,840
Speaker 5: that's very very true.

684
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Speaker 2: But I think, yeah, I think Ben's I mean, KFC's

685
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:18,880
Speaker 2: in there. Yeah, I think I mean and Obviously Packer

686
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:19,920
Speaker 2: guy has got great.

687
00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:23,280
Speaker 3: You haven't given up on this investigation and you refuse

688
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:25,480
Speaker 3: to do some tenacious reports.

689
00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:27,680
Speaker 4: I can't believe you guys haven't done that. Tory, you

690
00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:30,400
Speaker 4: have numbers for everything you should do. They should be

691
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:33,080
Speaker 4: tested for their and there's a lot of hippo stuff

692
00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:33,680
Speaker 4: that go into that.

693
00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:38,520
Speaker 5: We trying to work through the legal, uh calamities of it.

694
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:42,040
Speaker 2: Well, somebody said yesterday was the day before. In all honesty,

695
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:45,760
Speaker 2: it would be much more fun if Andy Reid would

696
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:47,800
Speaker 2: take sure for all the obvious reasons. Right, It's like,

697
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:49,440
Speaker 2: screw it. I don't care that I'm not supposed to

698
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:51,480
Speaker 2: on the bm I I'll take my shirt of.

699
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:55,200
Speaker 4: A spring break photo that you love, your favorite, the

700
00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:57,760
Speaker 4: greatest sports photo ever you've seen it?

701
00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:00,360
Speaker 3: Right? I think so spring break photo.

702
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:03,240
Speaker 5: I don't get as excited about this whole ideas.

703
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:07,520
Speaker 2: You've got to you got to. You gotta understand Beilama.

704
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:10,200
Speaker 2: He's a character, and he is a character to uh

705
00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:13,000
Speaker 2: to appreciate the What what I like about it is

706
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:16,680
Speaker 2: it's that it's it's what they say about the Europeans.

707
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:20,400
Speaker 3: If he didn't make issues.

708
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:23,680
Speaker 5: He's showing me a photoshopped ESPN body issue.

709
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:28,800
Speaker 4: And tenth he's just living best life. He's bigger now

710
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:30,640
Speaker 4: than he is then, Yeah that is that looks like a.

711
00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:32,800
Speaker 3: Yeah.

712
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:36,480
Speaker 2: Well to me, it's the old European thing of I

713
00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:43,240
Speaker 2: envy the freedom that a lot of European men that

714
00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:46,400
Speaker 2: you know, go three bills have where they're at the beat.

715
00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:49,680
Speaker 2: I'm at the beach taking my shirt off. I'm not

716
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:52,360
Speaker 2: going to apologize if I wait. You know, I'm not

717
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:55,880
Speaker 2: trying to win any contests. I'm I'm comfortable with myself.

718
00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:58,920
Speaker 2: I think Europeans figure that out better. I think Beilama

719
00:33:59,040 --> 00:33:59,480
Speaker 2: does too.

720
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Speaker 5: It needs to be something amongst KFE and hosts. Well

721
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:05,480
Speaker 5: that's which which KFN host has the best BMI.

722
00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:10,319
Speaker 3: That would be producers in there too. No, I know

723
00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:13,080
Speaker 3: that would be bad for all of us. It's all relative.

724
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Speaker 5: Who has the best I'm gonna say if anybody, yeah,

725
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:15,359
Speaker 5: that's true.

726
00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:17,040
Speaker 3: Somebody's gotta win, is what you're saying. There's not a

727
00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:17,680
Speaker 3: lot of great BM.

728
00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:20,760
Speaker 2: Well that was the famous what was the famous weight

729
00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:25,560
Speaker 2: weight off? It was between Charles Hallman and Who and

730
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:29,720
Speaker 2: Gary Olsen from UH A former longtime pioneer press writers,

731
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:32,439
Speaker 2: and the deal was they both were trying to lose weight.

732
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:34,560
Speaker 2: So they did the old Okay, we're gonna, you know,

733
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:37,920
Speaker 2: for the next six weeks, we're both gonna work on diets, whatever.

734
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:40,440
Speaker 2: And then at the end of the six weeks, whoever's

735
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:42,960
Speaker 2: lost more takes the other. I don't know whatever the

736
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:45,520
Speaker 2: prize was. Yeah, the prize was, and I don't remember

737
00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:49,160
Speaker 2: who wanted. But one of them won it by gaining

738
00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:52,919
Speaker 2: less weight than the other. Neither lost weight, one only

739
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:55,160
Speaker 2: gained seventeen and the other only gain ten.

740
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Speaker 5: That is exactly the outcome I would expect in any

741
00:34:57,960 --> 00:34:59,280
Speaker 5: group of media people.

742
00:34:59,360 --> 00:34:59,920
Speaker 3: So exactly.

743
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:02,200
Speaker 2: Uh, well, thanks for coming to see us. Sure, we

744
00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:04,719
Speaker 2: appreciate you as always. Uh, and we'll chat with you

745
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:08,360
Speaker 2: next week, I think after another Vikings setback, or is

746
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:09,839
Speaker 2: this the week we get on the winning track.

747
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:12,600
Speaker 3: Washington's having their own struggles, right, and whose quarterback for them?

748
00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:15,239
Speaker 3: I mean Mariota was good last week?

749
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:17,680
Speaker 5: Yeah, the jayde Daniels, I guess was throwing, but he

750
00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:20,319
Speaker 5: hasn't been cleared for contact yet, and so he would

751
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:22,560
Speaker 5: you if you're Washington and he's your guy, like, would

752
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:23,600
Speaker 5: you be rushing him back?

753
00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:25,520
Speaker 3: I mean, he might play, it's still five games left.

754
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:28,879
Speaker 5: He might be able to play before the If he's

755
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:31,439
Speaker 5: not cleared for contact on a Monday, we now play

756
00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:32,200
Speaker 5: the following Sun.

757
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:35,000
Speaker 2: Don't think JJ, We do expect. We'll start, yes, and

758
00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:36,680
Speaker 2: who's the backup? That's what I want to know.

759
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:39,400
Speaker 3: Is Brosemer the backup? Or is he number three? It's

760
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:40,000
Speaker 3: a good question.

761
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:42,640
Speaker 5: I expect he would be the backup, but has not

762
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Speaker 5: been confirmed. He would have to put John Wolford on

763
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:47,560
Speaker 5: fifty three in order to make him.

764
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Speaker 3: The backup, so I guess they could.

765
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Speaker 5: They could elevate him to beat from the practice squad,

766
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:53,279
Speaker 5: but I expect Brosmur to be.

767
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Speaker 2: There number two because I mean, JJ could get hurt

768
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:58,400
Speaker 2: one snap away. I'm just gonna say Guy's not been

769
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:01,920
Speaker 2: very durable. Yeah, so we'll see. Thank you Kevin C

770
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Speaker 2: for ESPN dot Com. Don't forget Top five Coming up

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Speaker 2: We have not talked much college football of yesterday or

781
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:46,400
Speaker 2: today to this point. Let me ask you the number

782
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:49,400
Speaker 2: one college football story, much to my sagrin, is not

783
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:53,439
Speaker 2: Indiana University. It is, of course Lane Kiffin and moved

784
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:58,439
Speaker 2: from Ole Miss to Louisiana State University. And by the way,

785
00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:00,840
Speaker 2: he's one of us, right he grew up here Bloomington,

786
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:02,359
Speaker 2: Jefferson Jefferson Grad.

787
00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:03,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, is he?

788
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:07,120
Speaker 2: Also though, because of the time he spent the South,

789
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:11,359
Speaker 2: has he come up invented a fake Southern accent as well?

790
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:14,400
Speaker 4: Kind of because I had Well, he brought it up

791
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:17,000
Speaker 4: in his press conference yesterday or whatever it was, but

792
00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:20,359
Speaker 4: just being in Louisiana, he said it made him want

793
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:21,080
Speaker 4: to talk like that.

794
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:24,239
Speaker 3: He called ed or oseron the old guy.

795
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:26,960
Speaker 4: And then just said go tigers like it's so you

796
00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:28,360
Speaker 4: want to make fun of Brian Kelly.

797
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:30,359
Speaker 3: But it must be in the water down there, all right.

798
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:35,960
Speaker 2: So the debate among media jackals, it surprised me a

799
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:38,120
Speaker 2: little bit, but there's been a lot of There seem

800
00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:40,080
Speaker 2: to be a lot of jackals who aren't even necessarily

801
00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:43,840
Speaker 2: a huge Lane Kiff and fans who say they believe

802
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:48,120
Speaker 2: he should have been allowed to coach. I don't know

803
00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:51,040
Speaker 2: what world they're living in, because I just think that's impossible.

804
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:54,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, even if it sounds like a cool movie. Uh,

805
00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:59,160
Speaker 3: what do you make of that whole debate? It's stunning. Now.

806
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:01,360
Speaker 3: One of the guys that saying it is Nick Saban.

807
00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:04,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, And isn't that didn't Saban get rid.

808
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:08,879
Speaker 4: Of Kiffin for taking another job? I thought he did, Yes,

809
00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:11,040
Speaker 4: he was the offensive coordinators.

810
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:13,880
Speaker 3: Oh isn't that a bit? It is? It's critical, it's bizarre,

811
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:15,359
Speaker 3: it's strange. Yeah.

812
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:18,440
Speaker 4: I don't understand it either, because as much as Lane

813
00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:23,960
Speaker 4: has rehabilitated himself allegedly, he's still a little sneaky.

814
00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:24,239
Speaker 3: Yeah.

815
00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:25,799
Speaker 4: And if you're letting him hang around with all the

816
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:27,520
Speaker 4: old miss guys, I mean, he's probably gonna take a

817
00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:29,439
Speaker 4: lot of them anyway after the season's done. No, there's

818
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:32,720
Speaker 4: no world that now the guy who took the Florida

819
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:35,319
Speaker 4: job is coaching Tulane through the end, like I think

820
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:39,760
Speaker 4: when it's a smaller school, because everybody understands. Everybody understands

821
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:41,479
Speaker 4: that that guy wasn't going to be at Tulane forever.

822
00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:44,160
Speaker 4: It's a great opportunity, but finish it with your team

823
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:46,440
Speaker 4: and then move on. No, he can't coach. He can't

824
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:48,400
Speaker 4: coach in the playoffs. If you wanted to coach in

825
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:50,400
Speaker 4: the playoffs, stay at Old Miss not the first to

826
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:53,359
Speaker 4: say it. It's it made no sense, no, no sense.

827
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:55,799
Speaker 2: I was surprised to the number of people who I

828
00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:58,400
Speaker 2: mean they wanted to believe in the story, yes, and

829
00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:00,680
Speaker 2: they were rooting for the story. I just don't know

830
00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:03,520
Speaker 2: how you could be angry with the folks at all

831
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:06,960
Speaker 2: Miss who said we can't now, we can't do this exactly.

832
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:10,440
Speaker 2: A lot of people have suggested the solution is to

833
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:14,359
Speaker 2: move the clock. Is there a movable clock that could

834
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:18,840
Speaker 2: have eliminated the possibility of this taking place in between

835
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:21,080
Speaker 2: the end of the regular season and the start of

836
00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:21,640
Speaker 2: the postseason.

837
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Speaker 4: We discussed this on the Apparentispaar podcast this week, but

838
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:26,839
Speaker 4: Chips Goggins and Ryan Burns, I don't know what you do,

839
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:29,879
Speaker 4: because everybody agrees the calendar is completely screwed up when

840
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:32,640
Speaker 4: you have whether it's for a coaching search, a signing day,

841
00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:35,400
Speaker 4: or the transfer portal window which is coming up in

842
00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:38,040
Speaker 4: January now, and there's only one transfer portal window, so

843
00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:41,279
Speaker 4: everything will be firmed up by January. The only way

844
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:43,560
Speaker 4: you do it is you have everything after the season.

845
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:45,480
Speaker 4: But to do that, you have to almost move the

846
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:50,560
Speaker 4: season to like August first. In all these games, yes, right,

847
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:54,239
Speaker 4: because there is Everyone agrees that the calendar is completely

848
00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:57,319
Speaker 4: screwed up, that coaches have to decide this now. Like

849
00:39:57,440 --> 00:40:01,399
Speaker 4: last year, Penn State's backup quarterback entered the portal while

850
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:03,680
Speaker 4: they are in the College Football Playoff and people say,

851
00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:05,919
Speaker 4: why is he doing that? Well, he knows he wants

852
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:07,760
Speaker 4: to transfer and he's got to go find a spot

853
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:09,879
Speaker 4: to play. I'm sure he would have loved to stay

854
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:12,319
Speaker 4: at Penn State. I think James Franklin even brought that up.

855
00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:14,799
Speaker 4: He said, we love the kid, we understand why he's leaving.

856
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:16,319
Speaker 4: He doesn't want to leave now. He wants to stay here.

857
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:17,839
Speaker 4: But what's he supposed to do? He doesn't know him,

858
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:20,040
Speaker 4: we're out. Is he supposed to just you know, if

859
00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:21,759
Speaker 4: he's going to do it the right way, he's got

860
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:23,799
Speaker 4: to go into the portal now and find his next home.

861
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:26,200
Speaker 4: So everyone agrees. I think that the calendar is all

862
00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:28,279
Speaker 4: messed up, But I don't understand. No one knows how

863
00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:30,240
Speaker 4: they can fix it. I don't think there's an easy solution,

864
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:30,640
Speaker 4: is it?

865
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Speaker 3: Also those Yeah, there's a lot of that, is there not?

866
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:37,880
Speaker 2: Also an important point to be made here though, that

867
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:42,239
Speaker 2: we're all hypocrites in this regard. I mean we You

868
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:47,160
Speaker 2: can utter the name Lane Kiffen and people will roll

869
00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:50,880
Speaker 2: their eyes. Oh my god, Oh here we go again.

870
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:55,360
Speaker 2: I mean, how fascinated with himself is this guy? But

871
00:40:56,840 --> 00:40:59,080
Speaker 2: is it even really fair for any of us to

872
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:02,640
Speaker 2: be surprised that these folks become, many of them as

873
00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:08,280
Speaker 2: self absorbed as they do. When it's on the twenty

874
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:11,360
Speaker 2: four to seven news cycle, there's nothing but Lane kiff

875
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:16,400
Speaker 2: and coverage like there's something significant through this whole episode

876
00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:17,360
Speaker 2: that's at stake.

877
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:20,680
Speaker 3: So you're gonna start believing the world revolves around you?

878
00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:23,200
Speaker 4: Correct, of course, And as you know, there is no

879
00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:25,840
Speaker 4: more self absorbed group of people than college football. Know,

880
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:30,279
Speaker 4: it's just it because it's self perpetuates. Especially in these

881
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:33,000
Speaker 4: college towns. Everything revolves around them. And here's the coach

882
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:35,000
Speaker 4: and they've got fifty people doing all the different things

883
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:36,760
Speaker 4: for him. Of course he's going to feel that, Yeah,

884
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:38,800
Speaker 4: why wouldn't he it's human nature.

885
00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:42,000
Speaker 2: It's I just think if we really mean what we

886
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:43,719
Speaker 2: say is they got to get over themselves.

887
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:46,920
Speaker 3: We got to get over them. Yeah. Now again you

888
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:48,120
Speaker 3: got to cover the story.

889
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:51,680
Speaker 2: But it's these stories are reported like there's so much

890
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:53,080
Speaker 2: more at stake than it really is.

891
00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:56,160
Speaker 4: That poor Marty Smith, the reporter, basically just hanging out

892
00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:57,960
Speaker 4: in Oxford the whole time. That was the funniest part

893
00:41:57,960 --> 00:41:59,480
Speaker 4: of the whole weekend. They just kept going back to

894
00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:02,200
Speaker 4: us and he's trying to give the info and then

895
00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:05,719
Speaker 4: he's at the airport and it's But it's a I

896
00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:07,840
Speaker 4: guess I knew Lane KIFN was a big deal obviously,

897
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:10,000
Speaker 4: but it is amazing to me even how much it's

898
00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:10,720
Speaker 4: broken through.

899
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:12,719
Speaker 3: And it's the LSU factor too. It's one of the

900
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:13,480
Speaker 3: glitzy jobs.

901
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:16,759
Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, probably the top two or three jobs in

902
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:19,000
Speaker 4: the country, but it has cut through. I mean, it's

903
00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:22,040
Speaker 4: up there with NFL coverage right now in the national

904
00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:22,960
Speaker 4: now one hundred percent.

905
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 3: So is it also fair to say, is it?

906
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:27,440
Speaker 2: I don't have Lane Kiffin's resume in front of me,

907
00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:31,160
Speaker 2: but I thought I read that he has not won

908
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:35,319
Speaker 2: a single postseason game of significance at any level yet

909
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:36,759
Speaker 2: is that true.

910
00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:37,520
Speaker 3: That would check out?

911
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:39,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, that would I'm not just gonna say that means

912
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:42,040
Speaker 2: he's overrated, but it's just kind of ironic because yeah,

913
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:43,840
Speaker 2: I know, what he did at Ole Miss was pretty

914
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:47,279
Speaker 2: you seemed good and really in position one would think

915
00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:49,960
Speaker 2: to make a run, but he's never really made a run, no,

916
00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:51,560
Speaker 2: in all seriousness in the postseason.

917
00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:54,960
Speaker 4: Because he's had a fascinating career being a coordinator with

918
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:58,000
Speaker 4: Pete Carroll right on those great USC teams. Then he

919
00:42:58,040 --> 00:42:59,799
Speaker 4: gets the Tennessee job, he gets a head job and

920
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:03,720
Speaker 4: he's like thirty. Yeah, he gets the Tennessee job. Disaster.

921
00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:07,200
Speaker 4: That's a disaster. And then he you know, finds a

922
00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:09,839
Speaker 4: way with Alabama. Well, he got the USC job, he's

923
00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:12,880
Speaker 4: fired on the tarmac like. Then he gets thee Alabama,

924
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:15,600
Speaker 4: He goes to the Nick Saban halfway House for reclaimed coaches,

925
00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:19,160
Speaker 4: rehabilitates himself. There gets the old Miss job, and he

926
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:21,640
Speaker 4: did a great job at all Miss, I mean, unbelievable

927
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:23,359
Speaker 4: job at all Miss to get them where they are now.

928
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:26,480
Speaker 4: But yeah, he's been around so long you feel like

929
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:29,080
Speaker 4: he's actually more accomplished than he probably is.

930
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:33,399
Speaker 3: But that's why it's it's crazy. He's such a big name.

931
00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:35,479
Speaker 3: All right, We've got Louis in about a half hour,

932
00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:37,399
Speaker 3: Top five at five. What are we going to talk about.

933
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:40,120
Speaker 4: We've got wolves tonight, We've got wild tonight, an honor

934
00:43:40,239 --> 00:43:42,320
Speaker 4: for the Great Wall of Saint Paul. And believe it

935
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:46,120
Speaker 4: or not, we've got some twins steam that will not

936
00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:49,000
Speaker 4: be surprising to anybody but might be annoying.

937
00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:51,000
Speaker 3: Oh good enough, I look forward to it. All that

938
00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:51,680
Speaker 3: is next year in the Fan