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Speaker 4: Thank you so much for listening. We are posting up

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Speaker 4: inside at Oakley Greens, which is an awesome place to

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Speaker 4: watch college basketball, which you can do tonight. You got

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Speaker 4: UC versus Dayton, you got Kentucky versus Louisville. You could

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Speaker 4: Oakley Greens. We are here every single Tuesday. Great place

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Speaker 4: to watch Bengals games. Bengals Steelers on Sunday, FC Cincinnati

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Speaker 4: a week from Sunday as the Orange and Blue plays

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Speaker 4: in the Eastern Conference semi finals. Awesome for your holiday parties,

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Speaker 4: Awesome for us every single Tuesday, especially when Paul Danner

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Speaker 4: juniors here as he is for the three o'clock hour

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Speaker 4: from the Athletic dot Com and the Growler Podcast. How

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Speaker 4: are we doing?

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Speaker 2: I'm doing great. You know, the Oakley Greens has enough

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Speaker 2: space that you could have a separate cheering section tonight. Yes,

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Speaker 2: for your your Dayton people and your Cincinnati people. Keep them,

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Speaker 2: keep them separated, you know, much like we need between

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Speaker 2: you guys here.

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Speaker 4: Cat fans and Dayton fans. We're not talking about a

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Speaker 4: bunch of ruffians. Ok. These are nice people who can

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Speaker 4: live with somebody else rooting against their team. There's no

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Speaker 4: reason to keep everybody separate. You talk about the two kindest,

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Speaker 4: most understanding fan bases, Cincinnati and Dayton. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Sure, And I just say that if you want to

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Speaker 2: sit in separate, there's plenty of space to do, yes,

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Speaker 2: so you don't have to worry about being like next

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Speaker 2: to the guy who's rooting a little too hard and

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Speaker 2: not saying it would be these two lovely fan bases

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Speaker 2: of no, of course not. But it does happen with

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Speaker 2: sports Kentucky and Louisville right now. Excepate I would need

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Speaker 4: Well, you could put them all in here and and

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Speaker 4: and sort of just work your way among all the

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Speaker 4: use and Dayton fans tonight and you'll be good to go.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely plenty of plenty of good games.

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Speaker 4: It's awesome to have you. Not a lot going on

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Speaker 4: in the Monday after the bye week. I really thought

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Speaker 4: we'd get a nice call Monday. I think, you know

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Speaker 4: what coming out of.

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Speaker 2: The by it's it's what's gonna happen today? You know,

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Speaker 2: let's just let's just ease into the week, and then

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Speaker 2: no easing into the week this week. That's okay, though,

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Speaker 2: I'll take a distraction from the topics that we have

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Speaker 2: been hammering home. So at least for a few minutes,

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Speaker 2: a few minutes, and then immediately brought back down to earth, realizing, yeah,

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Speaker 4: I never would have thought that Joe Burrow announcing his

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Speaker 4: would have listened a shoulder shrug. And yet that's where

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Speaker 4: a lot of us were yesterday. That's where I ended up.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I think it's I mean, I think what

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Speaker 2: It's like, hey, Joe's doing the hero stuff again, Like

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Speaker 2: news was not the biggest news to come out of yesterday. No,

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Speaker 2: Trey Hendrickson is doubtful for this weekend. That's who they need.

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Speaker 2: Yes, they they have the I'm not everybody wants to

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Speaker 2: And that's sort of the sad thing. Like I Bengals

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Speaker 4: So we were doing the show yesterday, the Tony and

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, you know, we shouldn't be talking about the

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Speaker 4: So I think for a lot of us, the discussion

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Speaker 4: certainly think they have more than a puncher's chance to

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Speaker 4: no value in Joe playing. You wrote this quote, even

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Speaker 4: don't expect Burrow to stand down in his desire to

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so, I think his sense is when

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Speaker 2: I mean, this goes back to last year at four

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Speaker 4: I can help answer that question for this year right now.

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Speaker 2: I know DJ Turner, yes, yes, but I yeah, I

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Speaker 2: There's there's value in it. Playing out the string or

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Speaker 2: And it's not who he is as a person, as

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Speaker 2: don't think anybody should tell him not to if he's

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Speaker 2: at that point in time.

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Speaker 4: Even if we get to a point where they are

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Speaker 2: where they were down by thirty, Yeah, taking zero blitzes

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Speaker 2: to come out in respect. That not who I am.

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Speaker 2: I need this team. This is my team met no

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Speaker 2: matter what out of it, in it, whatever, If he's healthy,

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Speaker 2: that's you know, that's what they want to be. It's

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Speaker 2: we're in it. We're with as long as we can

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Speaker 2: play football. And I think that everybody, as long as

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Speaker 4: Find by me. Look, here's to shut down the season,

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Speaker 4: So why play anybody? Well, okay, if there are games

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's fine, And I think that's a one a

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Speaker 4: The stretch, but we're not. We're not because you don't

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Speaker 2: It's they did just do it a few weeks ago.

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Speaker 2: Well, let's go.

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Speaker 4: They're beating Pittsburgh on Sunday.

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Speaker 2: Here we go, Here we go, how they beat the Patriots.

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Speaker 4: This is going to be a very short segment. I

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Speaker 4: And then actually today no, okay, I was I was

436
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Speaker 4: at uc between getting ready for a basketball game and

437
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Speaker 4: waiting for Scott Saderfield.

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Speaker 2: So old school, loose leaf and penn, oh school, loose

439
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Speaker 2: leaf and pen look at you go? All right, I

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Speaker 2: appreciate that.

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Speaker 4: So some of those larger topics we're going to to

442
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Speaker 4: get to in the second half hour. I've visit because

443
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Speaker 4: we'll have more time, and then I have a request

444
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Speaker 4: for what happens this weekend. But since we only have

445
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Speaker 4: a second here. When you were last with me, we

446
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Speaker 4: were closing it on the trade deadline, and you were

447
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Speaker 4: a little antsy thinking maybe Trey Hendrickson is going to

448
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Speaker 4: be traded.

449
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Speaker 2: He was not.

450
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Speaker 4: So now the conversation advances, although it really doesn't because

451
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Speaker 4: time with Trey is a flat circle. Should they franchise

452
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Speaker 4: tag them? Will they franchise tag them?

453
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Speaker 2: No? Okay, I think I think the experiment is probably

454
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Speaker 2: just gonna come to a merciful end. It's probably my guest.

455
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Speaker 2: I mean, here, do we do this all the time.

456
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Speaker 2: Right now, we're gonna be back and they're like, oh, well,

457
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Speaker 2: you know they're tagging trade and this is just not

458
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Speaker 2: something I see them executing, you know, And that's just

459
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Speaker 2: this just feels like it just goes It goes the

460
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Speaker 2: way of Trey goes off or get the cop pick.

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Speaker 4: I'm not ready for it. To end.

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Speaker 2: You want more?

463
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Speaker 4: I want I'm not ready for it to end.

464
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I am.

465
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Speaker 4: But are the Bengals I don't know.

466
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Speaker 2: I mean, they still don't have any answers, right, but

467
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Speaker 2: they also have so many problems. It's the same flat

468
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Speaker 2: circle conversation. They still have so many problems. So what

469
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Speaker 2: are you gonna do? I mean, are you really gonna

470
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Speaker 2: pour the amount of money that it would take to

471
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Speaker 2: keep him for his older seasons when you need, like,

472
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Speaker 2: you need to use that money on four competent starters,

473
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Speaker 2: right they Trey is at this point, he's almost luxury item.

474
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Speaker 2: You need competent starters, somebody that will keep your defense

475
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Speaker 2: from being historically bad and compared to the Dayton triangles. Okay,

476
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Speaker 2: this is what you are searching for, and so if

477
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Speaker 2: you need competent levels starters, you need that money to

478
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Speaker 2: go acquire competent level starters. That's where I feel like

479
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Speaker 2: it sits. There's also a lot of decisions between now

480
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Speaker 2: and then to get figured out, but it feels like

481
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Speaker 2: the end.

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Speaker 4: Trey Hendrickson for a while now has been a part

483
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Speaker 4: of my daily routine where I wake up in the

484
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Speaker 4: morning and as I'm brushing my teeth. I go, Okay,

485
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Speaker 4: what are we going to say today about Trey Hendrickson.

486
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Speaker 4: I'm not ready for that. I can't just pull that

487
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Speaker 4: band aid off. That's not something you just quit cold Turkey.

488
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Speaker 4: You can still do that with whatever he does. If

489
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Speaker 4: he goes somewhere else, I'm sure he'll still be saying

490
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Speaker 4: and doing things over there. I don't care.

491
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Speaker 2: Then, Yeah, that's less interesting. I understand. I'm saying you could.

492
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Speaker 2: You can always think about him.

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Speaker 4: I want to talk about a sentence I did not

494
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Speaker 4: think I would read earlier this year. When we come

495
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Speaker 4: back to Oakley Greens.

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Speaker 2: Well done.

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Speaker 2: You did something that made me nervous. You just quickly,

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Speaker 2: at the last second, pulled up the story and did

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Speaker 2: a finding replace for a keyword, to go find something

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Speaker 2: specifically in there, and now I'm nervous.

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Speaker 4: There's no reason to be nervous.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, what's it about?

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Speaker 4: So you did a mailbag? Yeah, I would like to

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Speaker 4: see the correspondence that you don't reply to? Could we do?

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Speaker 4: There were?

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Speaker 2: No, there were a lot.

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Speaker 4: Actually, could we do like a segment where I respond

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Speaker 4: to the letters or the emails? You don't?

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Speaker 2: Boy, do I have some Do I have some comments

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Speaker 2: for you? You should? You should? Actually that actually would

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Speaker 2: have been a better mail bag is just the emails

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Speaker 2: and the and the questions that I got. Yes, they

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Speaker 2: weren't questions like I got a lot that were just

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Speaker 2: like one thousand word diatribes with lots of expletives and

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Speaker 2: all caps, and I'm like, I don't know like what

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Speaker 2: you're asking of me here, but the answer is probably

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Speaker 2: not what you want it to be.

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Speaker 4: You you were asked a question about the offensive line. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: and the reason I highlighted it is I didn't write

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Speaker 4: down the exact passage.

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Speaker 2: No, that's good of you.

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Speaker 4: So, but I knew you mentioned one of the offensive lineman.

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Speaker 4: So I did a quick search for Carris.

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Speaker 12: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I could have done Rivers, I could have done Mims.

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Speaker 4: I just did Carris. But you were asked a question about, hey,

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Speaker 4: the offensive line, is it like really getting better? And

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Speaker 4: you acknowledged something that I would not have thought was

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Speaker 4: a possibility a month ago. You wrote being able to

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Speaker 4: confidently say Orlando Brown, Junior, Dylan Fairchild, Ted Carris, Jalen

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Speaker 4: Rivers and a Marius Mims are the twenty twenty six

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Speaker 4: opening day starters. Would be particularly advantageous if everyone could

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Speaker 4: continue this momentum that feels like something that's on the table.

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Speaker 4: And I would have laughed at you six weeks ago.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's like, okay, you might have some stability here.

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Speaker 2: It's now I think Rivers, I don't know. Man, Like

565
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Speaker 2: we'll see sure. Yeah, Like he's not all the way there,

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Speaker 2: he's still out, but they've been good enough to make

567
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Speaker 2: this offense do what it's done. Flacco is in the

568
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Speaker 2: top five in terms of sack percentage in on the

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Speaker 2: good top five. They're protecting him. He's yeah, he's getting

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Speaker 2: the ball out fast, but they're running the ball. They're

571
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Speaker 2: most efficient running games and football. They're doing all these

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Speaker 2: things with those guys in there, you can say, oh, well,

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Speaker 2: you know, Flacco has gone run. You can say all

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Speaker 2: these other things, but like they've done it. And so

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Speaker 2: if we're gonna sit here and we're gonna rip the

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Speaker 2: offensive line when they're not doing those things, let's give

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Speaker 2: them credit here because these things that have changed with

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Speaker 2: this offense, a lot of it has come back to

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Speaker 2: things that the offensive line had to change and do better.

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Speaker 2: And that has been a large part of Jalen Rivers

581
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Speaker 2: and Dylan Fairchild and rising when he's been in and others.

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Speaker 2: But like them finding some development, some cohesion and getting

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Speaker 2: things done a lot more consistently. So I think there's

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Speaker 2: you know, there seems to be real hope there. I mean,

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Speaker 2: we talked to Dan Pitcher last week and I sort

586
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Speaker 2: of was asking about this and he's like, I just

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Speaker 2: I don't want it to sound at all like it

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Speaker 2: seems like we've arrived, because we have not. He's like,

589
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Speaker 2: but you know, there really are. There's just a lot

590
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Speaker 2: of positive things that you can build on. There's plenty

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Speaker 2: that they're working on, but there's a lot of positive

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Speaker 2: things that you're seeing now and they're just starting to

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Speaker 2: see some of the gains after that incredibly rocky start.

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Speaker 4: Well, and the key for me second year player and

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Speaker 4: two rookies. Yeah, that we're at least acknowledging. I think

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Speaker 4: it's fair to wonder, like how long in the tooth

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Speaker 4: is Orlando Brown and Ted Carris. Those are legitimate concerns.

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Speaker 4: You can't have enough offensive line and I'm sure we'll

599
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Speaker 4: be talking about O line depth this offseason no matter what.

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Speaker 4: But right there is what we had talked about prior

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Speaker 4: to the twenty twenty four draft. If you're gonna build

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Speaker 4: a good offensive line and have it be sustainable, it's

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Speaker 4: gonna have to come via the draft. And there are

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Speaker 4: some decent early returns. Yeah. I don't want to get

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Speaker 4: ahead of myself either. Yeah, but when I read that

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Speaker 4: part of your mail bag and I'm like, you know

607
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Speaker 4: what that's not, I didn't. I didn't WinCE when you

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Speaker 4: wrote that.

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Speaker 2: So this has this has been my theory where I've

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Speaker 2: It's kind of where I've sort of started on offense

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Speaker 2: and with that conversation with the offensive line, when I've

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Speaker 2: been asked a lot about how big is this defensive rebuild?

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Speaker 2: Like it's obviously massive, I mean, but what are we

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Speaker 2: talking how many years? And my point is name me

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Speaker 2: who's not back on offense next year. Your whole offense

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Speaker 2: is set. Yeah, So when your whole offense is set,

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Speaker 2: you can use every pick, every dollar in free agency,

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Speaker 2: everything that you have at your disposal you can throw

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Speaker 2: at this defense. And that could be a lot of things,

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Speaker 2: and so you can you can change it all over

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Speaker 2: fairly quickly. You can throw a top ten pick in

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Speaker 2: there and a serviceable levels. That's why you don't play

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Speaker 2: Joe there, you go tank tank for RVL rees. I mean,

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Speaker 2: I don't yeah, I don't know, like I'm I'm just

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Speaker 2: saying the state of the offense in terms of everything

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Speaker 2: being very set for a while now, I mean all

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Speaker 2: your positions and whatever you you know, you're you're always

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Speaker 2: thinking next for the offensive line. But I mean, for

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Speaker 2: the most part, you can use the vast majority of

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Speaker 2: your resources in next offseason where you are top ten

631
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Speaker 2: in cap space, you're gonna have some picks. You can

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Speaker 2: keep throwing those at the defense and hope that you

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Speaker 2: find some that stick. I just when you don't have

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Speaker 2: to worry about really anything on offense right now, it

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Speaker 2: does open up some doors for you to make quick

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Speaker 2: work of a flip over.

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Speaker 4: So you went where I was gonna go to next

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Speaker 4: because you referred to quote a multi year down to

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Speaker 4: the studs. Gut job. Yeah, when it comes to the defense, yeah,

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Speaker 4: And the way I'm thinking, the way that gets accelerated

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Speaker 4: is if I don't have to devote as much, well,

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Speaker 4: you know, with them, it's an issue of time, because

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Speaker 4: we saw that with Chason Higgins. Devoted all the time

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Speaker 4: to those dudes and then couldn't sign anybody in free agency.

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Speaker 4: But if you want to hasten what looks like a

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Speaker 4: very very very substantial rebuild on defense, the easiest way

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Speaker 4: to do that is to be set on the other

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Speaker 4: side of the ball. Yeah, and if that offensive line

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Speaker 4: continues its current trajectory, that might.

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Speaker 2: Be the case. I mean, it's like everything though, it

651
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Speaker 2: all comes back to the young players getting better. Is

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Speaker 2: how many years there are on this defensive rebuild, and

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Speaker 2: that would include the guards. If Jalen Rivers falls off

654
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:31,200
Speaker 2: the second half of this season and you're like, oh,

655
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:33,080
Speaker 2: we still got an issue there that we got to

656
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:35,960
Speaker 2: figure out, or you know, you start to be like, well,

657
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:38,120
Speaker 2: we've got to find a tackle of the future in

658
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:40,240
Speaker 2: case we're not in Orlando Brown. Unless you start to

659
00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:44,080
Speaker 2: worry more about that or and the same way that

660
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:47,440
Speaker 2: Shamar Stewart and Demitrius Knight and Barrett Carter if they

661
00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:50,040
Speaker 2: just don't show any progress over the second half of

662
00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:54,600
Speaker 2: this season. Yeah, it extends the length of how far

663
00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:57,719
Speaker 2: this rebuild must go. You want more, you know, if

664
00:32:57,720 --> 00:32:59,640
Speaker 2: we're going down to the studs, I'd like for there

665
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:02,280
Speaker 2: to be more than one stud Yeah, you know, like

666
00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:04,600
Speaker 2: I need more than one thing to build on. If

667
00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:06,640
Speaker 2: I could, if you could get a couple more guys

668
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:09,000
Speaker 2: that you feel like over the second half of this season,

669
00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:12,800
Speaker 2: you're like, can build around that that that I put

670
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:16,959
Speaker 2: that with with Turner and one other thing and okay,

671
00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:21,480
Speaker 2: now filling all the rest, then it doesn't feel as

672
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:24,200
Speaker 2: far off. I don't think that. I mean, you know,

673
00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:26,640
Speaker 2: a lot things happen quick in the NFL, but like

674
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:29,920
Speaker 2: the idea of them rebuilding and being some sort of

675
00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:33,560
Speaker 2: top ten unit next year feels crazy. But you can

676
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:36,600
Speaker 2: I think that I'll take I'll take top thirty. How

677
00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:39,440
Speaker 2: about how about only comparing it to teams that are

678
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:43,080
Speaker 2: bad this year and not from the sixties. If we

679
00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:45,600
Speaker 2: can get to that, I think the way you can

680
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:47,880
Speaker 2: turn things over in the NFL, I mean the heck

681
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:50,080
Speaker 2: much less we talk about in college football, like the

682
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:52,200
Speaker 2: way you can turn it over fast. If you make

683
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:54,840
Speaker 2: the right moves, you can get to a mid level.

684
00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:57,680
Speaker 2: You can you can put serviceable pieces in there if

685
00:33:57,720 --> 00:33:59,280
Speaker 2: you can find a few things to build around. If

686
00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:02,880
Speaker 2: you can't, then you know you're you're gonna keep doing

687
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:06,320
Speaker 2: this searching for young players and living with growing pain,

688
00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:09,640
Speaker 2: stuff that they've kind of been doing this year.

689
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:14,360
Speaker 4: One thing they could do, and you reference this, is

690
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:16,399
Speaker 4: go ahead and get a jump start on getting DJ

691
00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:17,840
Speaker 4: Turner locked in long term.

692
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Speaker 2: I think it's an interesting uh test. Yeah, two, are

693
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:25,160
Speaker 2: you doing the same thing? We're gonna keep doing the

694
00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:27,440
Speaker 2: same thing that gots you in this spot? Are you

695
00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:30,759
Speaker 2: gonna wait or are you going to say, Hey, here's

696
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:34,440
Speaker 2: a chance for a philosophy switch, Tom. Let's start building

697
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:38,919
Speaker 2: around something right. Here's this guy who earned it and

698
00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:41,879
Speaker 2: is doing it the right way and played himself into

699
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:45,400
Speaker 2: one of the best cornerbacks uh in the game this year.

700
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:49,279
Speaker 2: Let's build around him. Let's pay him extension eligible now

701
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:51,200
Speaker 2: for the first time, Let's pay him. Let's get ahead

702
00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:54,120
Speaker 2: of the market, and let's let's let's show that we're

703
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:59,400
Speaker 2: trying something new. Or or you're or you're gonna say

704
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:02,960
Speaker 2: I want to see another year of health and the

705
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:05,759
Speaker 2: same level of play. Go do it again? Right? And

706
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:08,400
Speaker 2: then and then you're talking about Okay, you're, you're, but

707
00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:11,480
Speaker 2: at some point then he's is he gonna hit free agency?

708
00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 2: Are you gonna what do you can do this?

709
00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:13,440
Speaker 4: Although?

710
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:16,600
Speaker 2: Are you gonna go back? We're gonna franchise tag DJ Turner?

711
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Speaker 4: Uh?

712
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:19,480
Speaker 2: Is he gonna request a trade? And then and then

713
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:21,359
Speaker 2: you have then you can talk about DJ Turner. He'll

714
00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:23,840
Speaker 2: be the next to the line, right, Yeah, we had

715
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:26,919
Speaker 2: we had Jesse Bates. Of course we have had Trey

716
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:30,520
Speaker 2: Hendrickson Higgins, and maybe DJ Turner will be next for

717
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:32,400
Speaker 2: you and you can wake up thinking about him.

718
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:34,399
Speaker 4: Every day and what he's got going on. I want

719
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:39,200
Speaker 4: to wake up and read your gamer and I know

720
00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:41,640
Speaker 4: you don't at the Athletic don't write you know, traditional

721
00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:47,320
Speaker 4: gamers or watch the walkout. Yeah, and after the Bengals

722
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:50,280
Speaker 4: have beaten the Pittsburgh Steelers, I want to either read

723
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:54,320
Speaker 4: or hear or both references to how as was predicted

724
00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:55,040
Speaker 4: on this show.

725
00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:59,359
Speaker 2: Mo had it first, Mo had it first. You were

726
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:01,799
Speaker 2: the first one in the Yes, not afraid to say it.

727
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:04,360
Speaker 4: The offense is cooking. They're coming off a bye. The

728
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:07,239
Speaker 4: Steelers are not intimidating. No, Mike Tomlin's getting mad at

729
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:10,480
Speaker 4: reporters for asking legit questions about his quarterbacks. Quarterbacks like

730
00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:13,920
Speaker 4: one hundred years old. They've beaten them already recently. They

731
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:15,200
Speaker 4: should go to Pittsburgh and win.

732
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Speaker 2: Yes, I think this is one hundred percent a game

733
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:24,040
Speaker 2: that you should expect this team to win. I mean

734
00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:27,239
Speaker 2: they are when you have the offense playing. One thing

735
00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:29,520
Speaker 2: that that teams run into when they play the Steelers

736
00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:32,960
Speaker 2: is if you're just not familiar with the style of

737
00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:35,520
Speaker 2: game you have to play against them. It's different like teams.

738
00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:37,600
Speaker 2: Teams get wrapped up in that. I think that happened

739
00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:39,640
Speaker 2: to the Colts. Yeah, I think that happened to the

740
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:40,399
Speaker 2: Colts a little bit.

741
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:42,719
Speaker 4: But I don't think they played that style here. I

742
00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:44,960
Speaker 4: don't think they've played it against the Bengals.

743
00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:47,360
Speaker 2: Don't the Chargers. The Bengals don't play into it. I

744
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:49,439
Speaker 2: think the Chargers knew what they were doing with it, right,

745
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:53,640
Speaker 2: and you know what are they I mean, who's the

746
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:56,880
Speaker 2: corner opposite Porter right now? Is going to be Pierce

747
00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:02,400
Speaker 2: and they're moving Jalen Ramsey to safety, right, they are searching, okay,

748
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:06,120
Speaker 2: and if you know, I think the one thing you

749
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:08,800
Speaker 2: could say is okay, all right, young defense.

750
00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:11,279
Speaker 4: Yeah, you just saw this a few weeks ago.

751
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:14,160
Speaker 2: You know what they're gonna do. Let's let's go through

752
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:16,879
Speaker 2: this again. Let's try this a second time. It could

753
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:19,440
Speaker 2: be a good test for this defense in regards of

754
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:22,719
Speaker 2: can you start learning from your mistakes? Here's literally the

755
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:25,080
Speaker 2: same mistakes and the same people you just did this

756
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:28,000
Speaker 2: against the week before. Can can you just find a

757
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:30,200
Speaker 2: way to clean those up a little bit? You're gonna

758
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:32,919
Speaker 2: see the same players and the same plays, the same

759
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:35,640
Speaker 2: stuff here. Can you be a little bit better? Whereas

760
00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:39,680
Speaker 2: I don't I have thoughts that maybe that could happen.

761
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 2: I don't have many thoughts that the Steelers are all

762
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:43,480
Speaker 2: of a sudden just gonna like shut down this offense.

763
00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:46,520
Speaker 2: I just think the offense is in too good of

764
00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:48,880
Speaker 2: a place right now, and the matchup is, you know,

765
00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:52,200
Speaker 2: too nice for what the Bengals want to do. And

766
00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:54,040
Speaker 2: how quickly Flacco is getting the ball out.

767
00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:57,279
Speaker 4: You you can reference it even if I'm not right.

768
00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:00,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, go ahead. No, most said first they were gonna win,

769
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:03,120
Speaker 2: and then they lost by twenty eight, right, and then

770
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:04,879
Speaker 2: we can use it to talk about you.

771
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:07,840
Speaker 4: But fine by me. It's okay. But somebody was gonna

772
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:11,520
Speaker 4: be for there will be others by Friday. Everybody is

773
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:13,480
Speaker 4: gonna have the Bengals win. In fact, it's then I

774
00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:15,680
Speaker 4: may do it a heel turn to go. Actually, nah,

775
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:19,040
Speaker 4: they're not gonna beat the Steelers. Somebody was gonna be first.

776
00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:21,720
Speaker 4: What is it about the Steelers that makes that crazy?

777
00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:23,440
Speaker 2: Though? Is the only thing? I mean to me, that's it.

778
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:25,960
Speaker 2: It's it's you had their game against the Colts, which

779
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:29,960
Speaker 2: just seemed like a weird thing. Otherwise, I mean, look

780
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:33,160
Speaker 2: at the team that the Steelers have been, even.

781
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:35,040
Speaker 4: Even when they have won games earlier in the season,

782
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:38,200
Speaker 4: they were not imposing that indye, win is a very

783
00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:41,000
Speaker 4: good wine. The Colts, I think, are really good. But

784
00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:43,520
Speaker 4: there's the brand and there's what you've come to expect.

785
00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:45,640
Speaker 4: And look, the Bengals have all sorts of defensive issues,

786
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:47,360
Speaker 4: and so they may give up forty two points to

787
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:50,000
Speaker 4: know what he would be surprised. I don't think there's

788
00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:52,520
Speaker 4: anything scary about the Pittsburgh Steelers.

789
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:55,719
Speaker 2: Certainly not a few. I mean, when you just experienced

790
00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:58,359
Speaker 2: this a few weeks ago, and they're you know, their

791
00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:01,560
Speaker 2: their offense is not scary. Their offense is whatever Dk

792
00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:03,840
Speaker 2: Metcalf is gonna be able to get for them in

793
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 2: very little else Sometimes they run the ball and defensively

794
00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:11,920
Speaker 2: they're kind of a mess, and and they're either turnovers

795
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:14,520
Speaker 2: or bust. They either get turnovers and find a way

796
00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:16,839
Speaker 2: to win or they don't when they lose. That's been

797
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:19,279
Speaker 2: the case pretty much across the board. That's how they

798
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:22,280
Speaker 2: beat Indianapolis. I mean Daniel Jones with all those turnovers

799
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:24,600
Speaker 2: in that game, and so the one that's the one

800
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:26,960
Speaker 2: thing Flacco has been good at. That's what they've They've

801
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:29,480
Speaker 2: found a way to protect the ball, manage the game,

802
00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:31,880
Speaker 2: get the ball out quick, don't let t J. Watt

803
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:35,920
Speaker 2: and Keanu Benton and Cam Hayward and all those guys

804
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:39,640
Speaker 2: tear you up. And you know, the the recipe is there.

805
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:43,880
Speaker 2: They just at some point mo in the fourth quarter

806
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:46,400
Speaker 2: are gonna need to go out there and get a stop.

807
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:51,320
Speaker 2: And that's probably where nol God has been working on.

808
00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:57,600
Speaker 2: What got misconstrued was you thought they were just saving

809
00:39:57,640 --> 00:40:00,319
Speaker 2: all the stuff and hiding everything in the preseason. What

810
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:02,200
Speaker 2: he actually meant was through the first half too, and

811
00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:05,960
Speaker 2: then after the bye week, just unleash on the league.

812
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:08,440
Speaker 4: Can I tell you what I think the most annoying

813
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:11,320
Speaker 4: thing about the Steelers is right now? It's their special

814
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:13,800
Speaker 4: teams coach. Oh yeah, that guy.

815
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:15,800
Speaker 2: Chewing the gummy.

816
00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:20,080
Speaker 4: He gets more TV time than any special teams coach

817
00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:22,720
Speaker 4: in the league. Chris Collins weren't done talk about special

818
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:25,040
Speaker 4: teams coaches. I'm watching the game. You would think the

819
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:29,000
Speaker 4: guy like invented kicking. He's been there a long time.

820
00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:31,880
Speaker 4: I'm sure he's a nice guy. There's no other team

821
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:34,359
Speaker 4: where you see the special teams coach as much as

822
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:35,760
Speaker 4: you do when you watch.

823
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:38,320
Speaker 2: The Steelers, unless you have one of these like big

824
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:40,960
Speaker 2: special teams coaches that likes to run the field with

825
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:43,799
Speaker 2: his team. Yeah, jump in the air and do all

826
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:46,360
Speaker 2: kinds of crazy stuff. Sometimes you get that guy, that

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00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:46,960
Speaker 2: crazy guy.

828
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Speaker 4: But this guy back in the day, the Cowboys had

829
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Speaker 4: a special teams coach because he had like Jesus hair,

830
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Speaker 4: so you kind of noticed him. Other than that, you

831
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:56,520
Speaker 4: don't notice special teams coaches until the Steelers play. They

832
00:40:56,520 --> 00:40:59,120
Speaker 4: don't stop showing that guy, Like, bro, you're a special

833
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Speaker 4: teams coach.

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00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:02,799
Speaker 2: Let's put an over undrawn number of cutaways for our

835
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:06,520
Speaker 2: guy on Sunday nine and a half, count them up

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00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:09,200
Speaker 2: nine and a half. Think I think under Night under nine.

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Speaker 4: Well, the Bengals win by more points than cutaways to

838
00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:13,760
Speaker 4: the special teams code.

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Speaker 2: Oh wow, you heard it here first.

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Speaker 4: congratulations on advancing to the Eastern semis. It's awesome to

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00:42:55,719 --> 00:42:56,000
Speaker 4: have you.

869
00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:59,279
Speaker 13: How are you, thanks, mo, I appreciate you having me

870
00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:00,320
Speaker 13: doing so.

871
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:06,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, me too. So. Game two could could not

872
00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:09,080
Speaker 4: have gone more poorly. And you hear it in all sports, right,

873
00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:13,319
Speaker 4: burn the tape? Was that? Was that? The approach? Was

874
00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:15,759
Speaker 4: it something you dwelled on? How did you handle the

875
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:17,120
Speaker 4: aftermath of that second game?

876
00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:22,640
Speaker 13: I would say we burned half the tape. You know,

877
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:24,439
Speaker 13: there were still things that we wanted to take away

878
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:27,480
Speaker 13: from that game, as far as how how we started,

879
00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:30,560
Speaker 13: and you know some of the things that led up to, uh,

880
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:32,480
Speaker 13: you know, the two goals that we conceded and going

881
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:35,120
Speaker 13: down a man. But you know, after that, you're just

882
00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:39,520
Speaker 13: looking for how guys respond and how they how they

883
00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:42,239
Speaker 13: perform when things aren't going their way, which was the

884
00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:44,600
Speaker 13: remainder of the game. And yeah, the outcome wasn't good.

885
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:48,480
Speaker 13: We conceded a few more goals, but I think the

886
00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:50,800
Speaker 13: guys went about it the right way, and the message

887
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:54,959
Speaker 13: was to quickly forget about it because the season's still

888
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:56,719
Speaker 13: going and we have a chance to respond in a

889
00:43:56,760 --> 00:43:58,640
Speaker 13: good way. And I think the guys certainly did that.

890
00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:03,080
Speaker 13: On Sat really pleased with the performance and of course

891
00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:03,560
Speaker 13: the outcome.

892
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:08,320
Speaker 4: So you talk about responding. Columbus scores in the sixty

893
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:10,800
Speaker 4: third minute. This is easy to say because you score

894
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:14,319
Speaker 4: four minutes later. I know as a fan it's panic, right,

895
00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:17,840
Speaker 4: You're in the second half, there's roughly thirty minutes to go,

896
00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:20,960
Speaker 4: your season is hanging in the balance. But I didn't

897
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:25,319
Speaker 4: detect panic. It felt to me like, all right, we've

898
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:27,520
Speaker 4: got our work cut out for us. Obviously it's a

899
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:30,600
Speaker 4: team that's really good at possessing the ball. I've seen

900
00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:33,200
Speaker 4: clubs where it feels like in that scenario there was panic.

901
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:35,120
Speaker 4: That didn't feel like the case on Saturday.

902
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:39,440
Speaker 13: No, I think there was a quick recognition of you know,

903
00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:41,600
Speaker 13: we got to move on, and to be honest with

904
00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:44,520
Speaker 13: how we conceded the goal and what looked to be

905
00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:48,160
Speaker 13: a pretty clear offside. You know, I think our emotions

906
00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:52,040
Speaker 13: on the sideline could have you know, made the players

907
00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:56,319
Speaker 13: uneasy and on edge, but the message was we need

908
00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:58,399
Speaker 13: to move on and we didn't get the call, so

909
00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:00,920
Speaker 13: how do we respond? And you saw it with the players.

910
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:04,759
Speaker 13: They I think understood that the aftermath of conceding that

911
00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:07,600
Speaker 13: goal was going to be so vital and us get

912
00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:10,160
Speaker 13: an outcome. You know, of course, the how quickly we

913
00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:15,080
Speaker 13: get that goal is is so important. But even after

914
00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:17,120
Speaker 13: we con see guys you know, put their head down

915
00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:19,760
Speaker 13: and you know, it wasn't like we took on immediate pressure.

916
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:22,520
Speaker 13: We found a way to get you know, a corner

917
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:25,520
Speaker 13: and a set piece, and so that immediately shifts the

918
00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:28,840
Speaker 13: momentum back in our favor, which was huge, and obviously

919
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:31,520
Speaker 13: I think we carried that momentum into the to the

920
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:34,440
Speaker 13: second goal, and you know it could have been a

921
00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:38,040
Speaker 13: little bit better, and how we saw the game out

922
00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:41,160
Speaker 13: with the lead. But like I said that that immediate

923
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:45,319
Speaker 13: stretch after conceding the goal was you know why we

924
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:46,960
Speaker 13: have the feeling we do right now, why we were

925
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:48,120
Speaker 13: able to experience a victory.

926
00:45:48,719 --> 00:45:51,640
Speaker 4: The goals are scored by Brenner. You'll take him from anybody,

927
00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:54,239
Speaker 4: but it is it is a cool story after you

928
00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:57,239
Speaker 4: acquire him during the transfer window. Walk me through your

929
00:45:57,320 --> 00:45:59,399
Speaker 4: role in that process late summer.

930
00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:03,600
Speaker 13: Well, when his name was brought up, it was kind

931
00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:06,200
Speaker 13: of a smirk of you know, are we are we

932
00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:09,080
Speaker 13: serious here? And you know, how do we make this possible?

933
00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:12,719
Speaker 13: And then really it was we need to get on

934
00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:15,200
Speaker 13: a call. We need to be on a zoom call

935
00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:17,640
Speaker 13: with Brenner and and just see where he's at. You know,

936
00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:21,200
Speaker 13: he don't always get the answers, but it was important

937
00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:25,040
Speaker 13: that we delivered a message of intent and he understood

938
00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:29,080
Speaker 13: what our expectations were. We could get a better feel

939
00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:31,840
Speaker 13: for where he was at and why this could work.

940
00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:36,359
Speaker 13: And so from that call, or you know, the few

941
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:40,080
Speaker 13: calls that we had, it felt like this was a

942
00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:43,120
Speaker 13: good opportunity and you know, I don't want to call

943
00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:45,480
Speaker 13: it a risk, but a chance to take on a

944
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:48,000
Speaker 13: player that maybe left the wrong way. We felt to

945
00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:50,440
Speaker 13: come back in a better way. And he certainly has

946
00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:54,360
Speaker 13: showed that that time at Day helped him mature, It

947
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:58,400
Speaker 13: helped him appreciate maybe what he had here, and you know,

948
00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:00,879
Speaker 13: we're really pleased with the Brenn that we've seen since

949
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:01,480
Speaker 13: he's returned.

950
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:05,480
Speaker 4: A coach is always going to turn the page as

951
00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:07,800
Speaker 4: quickly as possible, and you've got your hands full of

952
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:12,359
Speaker 4: the week from Sunday that said, so you advance, which

953
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:15,560
Speaker 4: you didn't do last year. You beat Columbus. We all

954
00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:19,000
Speaker 4: knew everything that from the past that hung over that series.

955
00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:24,279
Speaker 4: How gratifying was at home in particular to advance and

956
00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:26,680
Speaker 4: beat the side that you guys were able to knock

957
00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:27,520
Speaker 4: out of the postseason.

958
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:31,560
Speaker 13: It was massive. You know, I struggle at times to

959
00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:35,799
Speaker 13: really be in the moment and enjoy a big win

960
00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:38,360
Speaker 13: like that, but I think, you know, going into the

961
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:41,920
Speaker 13: international break, who we beat, I enjoyed that moment, you know,

962
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:45,279
Speaker 13: with the staff, the players, the fans, owner, everybody that

963
00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:48,040
Speaker 13: was you know, a part of that atmosphere at TQO.

964
00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:51,920
Speaker 13: You know, I think more than I have in the past.

965
00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:55,040
Speaker 13: And even the days after, you know, we had a

966
00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:57,640
Speaker 13: couple of days off. I enjoyed time with my family,

967
00:47:57,719 --> 00:47:59,839
Speaker 13: I got some stuff done on the to do list

968
00:47:59,840 --> 00:48:05,520
Speaker 13: that doesn't require work related tasks, and then you know,

969
00:48:05,560 --> 00:48:08,920
Speaker 13: we're back to work today. But it was just a

970
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:11,560
Speaker 13: special moment. And you know, I maybe didn't live in

971
00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:13,839
Speaker 13: the past the way some others had, as far as

972
00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:16,879
Speaker 13: the disappointment from twenty three, but I understand how much

973
00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:19,560
Speaker 13: it means to this city and these fans, and so

974
00:48:19,719 --> 00:48:22,359
Speaker 13: to see, you know, the joy that it brought them

975
00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:24,960
Speaker 13: and to hear, you know, after the fact, just what

976
00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:25,880
Speaker 13: it means to people.

977
00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:26,879
Speaker 4: It is.

978
00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:30,920
Speaker 13: You know, it's satisfying. It's it's nice that you know,

979
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:35,080
Speaker 13: everybody's experiencing this high together. And what I said after

980
00:48:35,080 --> 00:48:38,319
Speaker 13: the game was, while this is a very important win,

981
00:48:38,520 --> 00:48:40,919
Speaker 13: it wasn't our goal. Our goal wasn't to get past

982
00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:44,200
Speaker 13: the first round of the playoffs whoever we were playing.

983
00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:46,880
Speaker 13: So now we have our next challenge, which is Miami,

984
00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:49,799
Speaker 13: and it's going to be just as difficult, and I'm

985
00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:53,319
Speaker 13: excited to see how our guys. You know, I don't

986
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:55,520
Speaker 13: want to say respond but step up again because that's

987
00:48:55,520 --> 00:48:57,440
Speaker 13: what it's going to take for us to go and

988
00:48:57,480 --> 00:48:58,680
Speaker 13: do it.

989
00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:03,400
Speaker 4: In advance a best of three series. Is the international

990
00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:07,520
Speaker 4: break welcome or would it be better for your team

991
00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:09,280
Speaker 4: in particular if the game were this weekend.

992
00:49:11,160 --> 00:49:14,279
Speaker 13: I think for everybody the following weekend, just with the

993
00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:18,759
Speaker 13: momentum with you know, I think fan engagement, you know,

994
00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:22,399
Speaker 13: I often you know hear from family members, friends, it's

995
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:26,880
Speaker 13: the confusion around the next game. In these international breaks,

996
00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:29,160
Speaker 13: during the playoffs and during the end of the season,

997
00:49:29,239 --> 00:49:31,480
Speaker 13: it kind of throws off the rhythm. So I think

998
00:49:31,520 --> 00:49:34,960
Speaker 13: if you ask most people, myself included, let's go again

999
00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:38,600
Speaker 13: the next week and try to you know, maintain that

1000
00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:44,680
Speaker 13: momentum and energy and attention to our team. And so

1001
00:49:45,040 --> 00:49:47,239
Speaker 13: I think it just kind of maybe takes a little

1002
00:49:47,239 --> 00:49:48,960
Speaker 13: bit of the wind out of the sales with not

1003
00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:51,359
Speaker 13: having a game this weekend. But you know, that's that's

1004
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:54,080
Speaker 13: our reality, not just ours, but everybody who's still in

1005
00:49:54,080 --> 00:49:56,919
Speaker 13: the playoffs. So hopefully down the road we figure out

1006
00:49:56,920 --> 00:50:00,000
Speaker 13: how to, you know, come up with a platform where

1007
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:01,919
Speaker 13: where you're just not sitting around for so long.

1008
00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:06,560
Speaker 4: You mentioned having a non work to do list when

1009
00:50:06,560 --> 00:50:08,960
Speaker 4: you sit down to plan for Miami and they they

1010
00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:11,320
Speaker 4: have a player some have heard of named Lionel Messi.

1011
00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:14,399
Speaker 4: What does the to do list look like for for

1012
00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:15,920
Speaker 4: you over the course of the next week and a

1013
00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:17,799
Speaker 4: half as you get set for next Sunday.

1014
00:50:19,239 --> 00:50:21,640
Speaker 13: Well, it's it's no different. We're analyzing, you know, their

1015
00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:26,480
Speaker 13: recent games. Maybe we'll look back at our last matchup

1016
00:50:26,520 --> 00:50:28,160
Speaker 13: to see what we can take out of that game.

1017
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:31,960
Speaker 13: If if some of the structural you know stuff has

1018
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:36,000
Speaker 13: remained the same, They're certainly improved. They got a couple

1019
00:50:36,040 --> 00:50:40,160
Speaker 13: of different pieces on the field in different positions that

1020
00:50:40,239 --> 00:50:43,040
Speaker 13: weren't a part of you know, our game or our

1021
00:50:43,080 --> 00:50:47,000
Speaker 13: two games. So, you know, try to make sure that

1022
00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:49,719
Speaker 13: we put an emphasis on us and what we need

1023
00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:52,440
Speaker 13: to do to succeed, but always reminding our guys of

1024
00:50:52,719 --> 00:50:55,160
Speaker 13: you know, of the threat of our opponent, and certainly

1025
00:50:55,440 --> 00:50:57,360
Speaker 13: you mentioned Messi. We're going to have to do a

1026
00:50:57,360 --> 00:51:02,520
Speaker 13: really good job of womening his his touches, his involvement

1027
00:51:02,520 --> 00:51:04,839
Speaker 13: in the final third. And you know, I say that,

1028
00:51:04,880 --> 00:51:07,200
Speaker 13: but you know he's done in his entire career. It's

1029
00:51:07,239 --> 00:51:09,799
Speaker 13: how many times can you limit it and can you

1030
00:51:10,040 --> 00:51:13,880
Speaker 13: keep them away from you know, having time and space

1031
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:16,800
Speaker 13: to make you know, the plays that he's capable of making.

1032
00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:20,560
Speaker 13: So it's a great challenge for our guys. And you know,

1033
00:51:20,600 --> 00:51:22,520
Speaker 13: they've stepped up in the past, and this will be

1034
00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:25,680
Speaker 13: an even bigger moment and a bigger challenge, And I'm

1035
00:51:25,719 --> 00:51:27,520
Speaker 13: excited for the opportunity for all these guys.

1036
00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:30,520
Speaker 4: No nobody wants to make a match like this about

1037
00:51:30,520 --> 00:51:33,759
Speaker 4: two individual players, but you have I think two of

1038
00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:37,200
Speaker 4: the signature stars of Major League soccer. Obviously and Messi,

1039
00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:40,400
Speaker 4: but also a Vander. And you joined me just prior

1040
00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:43,080
Speaker 4: to the season beginning, and you had just acquired a Vander.

1041
00:51:43,239 --> 00:51:45,399
Speaker 4: We've seen how good he has been for you. But

1042
00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:47,800
Speaker 4: but take me behind the scenes. Give me an area

1043
00:51:48,239 --> 00:51:50,920
Speaker 4: where he's impacted your club that that maybe we're not

1044
00:51:51,080 --> 00:51:52,080
Speaker 4: as privy to.

1045
00:51:54,680 --> 00:51:59,000
Speaker 13: I think his maturity, you know, let's we'll go away

1046
00:51:59,040 --> 00:52:03,000
Speaker 13: from the field. I think it's how he goes about,

1047
00:52:04,200 --> 00:52:08,000
Speaker 13: you know, his profession and and what kind of teammate

1048
00:52:08,040 --> 00:52:10,359
Speaker 13: he is. You know, we look, all the eyes are

1049
00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:12,840
Speaker 13: on the player on the field and what they're capable

1050
00:52:12,880 --> 00:52:15,600
Speaker 13: of doing, and certainly he's capable of the spectacular. But

1051
00:52:16,040 --> 00:52:18,200
Speaker 13: when people don't see the behind the scenes. If Yeah,

1052
00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:20,759
Speaker 13: there's a lot of great players that aren't great teammates

1053
00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:25,000
Speaker 13: and and see stepped foot in the building. He's tried

1054
00:52:25,040 --> 00:52:29,640
Speaker 13: to connect in the right ways with his teammates, with

1055
00:52:29,719 --> 00:52:34,600
Speaker 13: staff members and very respectful. You know, he's he's a

1056
00:52:34,719 --> 00:52:37,319
Speaker 13: fairly i would say quiet guy as far as you

1057
00:52:37,360 --> 00:52:41,360
Speaker 13: know his demeanor. But you know, the way he interacts

1058
00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:44,320
Speaker 13: with his teammates and connects with different cultures is the

1059
00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:47,719
Speaker 13: staff members. He's got a good sense of humor, he's

1060
00:52:47,719 --> 00:52:51,240
Speaker 13: got bite, but he's just he's a He's so pleasant

1061
00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:55,399
Speaker 13: to be around because it's he's a natural star as

1062
00:52:55,400 --> 00:52:57,360
Speaker 13: far as being a part of the team and just

1063
00:52:57,400 --> 00:52:58,080
Speaker 13: wanting to help.

1064
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:03,799
Speaker 4: J sounds awesome. Great answer. Congratulations. I know you have

1065
00:53:03,840 --> 00:53:06,040
Speaker 4: a ton going on, so I appreciate you doing this.

1066
00:53:06,560 --> 00:53:09,480
Speaker 4: Best of luck a week from Sunday and beyond, and

1067
00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:11,560
Speaker 4: it's always awesome A heavy coach, Thanks so.

1068
00:53:11,560 --> 00:53:13,640
Speaker 13: Much, Thanks Mell, appreciate it.

1069
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:19,200
Speaker 4: That's Pat Noonan FC Cincinnati playing Miami Massive Tilt Eastern

1070
00:53:19,200 --> 00:53:23,680
Speaker 4: Conference Semifinals at TQL Stadium a week from Sunday. That

1071
00:53:23,800 --> 00:53:29,440
Speaker 4: game on Saturday evening was awesome and I'll be honest

1072
00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:32,600
Speaker 4: with you, if you're a Cincinnati sports fan. When Columbus

1073
00:53:32,680 --> 00:53:37,319
Speaker 4: scored in the sixty third minute. I think we all

1074
00:53:37,480 --> 00:53:39,320
Speaker 4: just thought, like, this is how it goes. This is

1075
00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:41,560
Speaker 4: how it goes. It's how it went last year. They

1076
00:53:41,600 --> 00:53:44,000
Speaker 4: come back and they win, Brenner scoring the two goals.

1077
00:53:44,080 --> 00:53:46,760
Speaker 4: We all know how it ended for him two years ago.

1078
00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:48,759
Speaker 4: We all kind of asked the same thing when they

1079
00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:51,800
Speaker 4: acquired him in early September, is this really gonna work well?

1080
00:53:51,880 --> 00:53:55,720
Speaker 4: On Saturday? It did sixteen minutes after four o'clock ESPN

1081
00:53:55,719 --> 00:53:58,640
Speaker 4: fifteen thirty. We're broadcasting from Oakley Greens. You know, you

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00:53:58,680 --> 00:54:01,080
Speaker 4: can watch f C Cincinnaty at Oakley Greens. You can

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00:54:01,160 --> 00:54:04,680
Speaker 4: watch college basketball this season at Oakley Greens. You can

1084
00:54:04,719 --> 00:54:08,080
Speaker 4: have your holiday party at Oakley Greens. You can come

1085
00:54:08,120 --> 00:54:11,680
Speaker 4: hang out with us every Tuesday at Oakley Greens. The

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00:54:11,920 --> 00:54:15,960
Speaker 4: twenty twenty six Reds Hall of Fame Modern Player ballot

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Speaker 4: is out. We'll take a look at it next.

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Speaker 6: Lea's play.

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Speaker 4: All right, it's twenty two minutes after four o'clock. This

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Speaker 4: is ESPN fifteen thirty on Boeggers. The twenty twenty six

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Speaker 4: Reds Hall of Fame candidates for the Modern Player ballot

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00:54:54,520 --> 00:54:58,200
Speaker 4: came out last week. You can vote right now for

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Speaker 4: a group of players that and consists of Homer Bailey,

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00:55:01,800 --> 00:55:06,800
Speaker 4: Francisco Cordero, Zach Cozart, Aaron Harang, Mike Leak, Brandon Phillip Scott, Rowland,

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Speaker 4: and Edinson Volcez. You can vote right now at Redsmuseum

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00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:14,799
Speaker 4: dot org. Two modern Players will be selected as part

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Speaker 4: of the Class of twenty twenty six. Here to tell

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Speaker 4: us more, by the way, Hall of Fame Weekend, the

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Speaker 4: induction weekend is going to take place April twenty fourth

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Speaker 4: through twenty six, so a little bit earlier than usual.

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Speaker 4: Rick Walls, executive director of the Reds Hall of Fame

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Speaker 4: m Museum, is with us. Rick. It's awesome to have you.

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00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:31,560
Speaker 4: How are you great?

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00:55:31,640 --> 00:55:33,799
Speaker 12: Thanks for having me. Exciting time of the year for

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00:55:33,880 --> 00:55:36,120
Speaker 12: the Hall of Fame prepping for twenty twenty six.

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00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:39,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, it's interesting you and I talk about

1112
00:55:39,080 --> 00:55:41,680
Speaker 4: this every year and for a while, we had talked about,

1113
00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:44,279
Speaker 4: you know what coming down the pike, we're there's gonna

1114
00:55:44,280 --> 00:55:45,480
Speaker 4: be a lot of guys. There gonna be a lot

1115
00:55:45,480 --> 00:55:47,400
Speaker 4: of guys who are part of those teams, you know,

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00:55:47,440 --> 00:55:50,399
Speaker 4: the two thousand's, early twenty tens, and we're here, Rick,

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00:55:50,480 --> 00:55:51,120
Speaker 4: time flies.

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Speaker 13: It does.

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00:55:52,320 --> 00:55:55,600
Speaker 12: It's fun to kind of evaluate in vote on players

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00:55:55,640 --> 00:55:58,000
Speaker 12: that I remember more recently playing. And that's why we

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00:55:58,320 --> 00:56:00,799
Speaker 12: put the vote back into the fame, right, so the

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00:56:00,880 --> 00:56:03,160
Speaker 12: fans have a say and who's going to be going

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00:56:03,200 --> 00:56:04,200
Speaker 12: into the Reds Hall of Fame.

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Speaker 2: They get a vote.

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Speaker 12: It's going to be combined with the alumni as well

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00:56:07,760 --> 00:56:11,719
Speaker 12: as mediaf so the three components will make up who

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00:56:11,800 --> 00:56:13,600
Speaker 12: the two people are they're going to go in next

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Speaker 12: year and twenty twenty six. Now they'll be a veteran

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00:56:15,800 --> 00:56:18,799
Speaker 12: candidate as well, one or two, but two players this

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Speaker 12: time around from the twenty twenty six for this twenty

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00:56:21,280 --> 00:56:22,080
Speaker 12: twenty six ballot.

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00:56:22,600 --> 00:56:25,480
Speaker 4: All right, what was the criteria to be included on

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00:56:25,520 --> 00:56:26,640
Speaker 4: the modern player ballot?

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00:56:27,160 --> 00:56:29,439
Speaker 12: So you've got to have played The minimum for any

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00:56:29,520 --> 00:56:31,680
Speaker 12: candidates the Hall of Fame is three years with the Reds.

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00:56:31,680 --> 00:56:34,160
Speaker 12: And remember we're just considering Red's careers. You've got to

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00:56:34,360 --> 00:56:37,160
Speaker 12: kind of remove some of their successes or accolades or

1138
00:56:37,160 --> 00:56:40,840
Speaker 12: even failures from other teams when you're evaluating the candidates.

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00:56:40,840 --> 00:56:43,080
Speaker 12: But three years, you have to be out of baseball

1140
00:56:43,120 --> 00:56:45,720
Speaker 12: for five years, and then you have to have played

1141
00:56:45,719 --> 00:56:49,080
Speaker 12: within the last fifteen pretty much mirrors National Baseball Hall

1142
00:56:49,120 --> 00:56:52,840
Speaker 12: of Fame number rules at least the beginning where you

1143
00:56:52,880 --> 00:56:55,080
Speaker 12: have to be out five years. So you start looking

1144
00:56:55,080 --> 00:56:56,200
Speaker 12: at some of the new guys that are on the

1145
00:56:56,200 --> 00:56:58,399
Speaker 12: ballot this time, and this ballot changes, Some come on,

1146
00:56:58,520 --> 00:57:00,920
Speaker 12: some go off. Ones that go off will go to

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00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:04,319
Speaker 12: a veterans committee. So that's your basic criteria. There's no

1148
00:57:04,520 --> 00:57:08,520
Speaker 12: particular number of batting average or strikeouts as a team

1149
00:57:08,600 --> 00:57:10,279
Speaker 12: hall of Fame, and we want the fans to help

1150
00:57:10,320 --> 00:57:12,560
Speaker 12: evaluate who they think belongs in the Hall of Fame.

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00:57:13,520 --> 00:57:15,920
Speaker 4: I believe, and you can correct me if I'm wrong.

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00:57:16,040 --> 00:57:18,000
Speaker 4: I think this is the first time you've had two

1153
00:57:18,080 --> 00:57:21,360
Speaker 4: players get voted on this ballot. I also think it's

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00:57:21,360 --> 00:57:23,000
Speaker 4: the first time you've had as many as eight.

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00:57:23,040 --> 00:57:25,840
Speaker 12: Am I correct, Well, I think eight might be the

1156
00:57:25,920 --> 00:57:28,280
Speaker 12: right number, but we did take two back I think

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00:57:28,320 --> 00:57:30,240
Speaker 12: in two thousand and four.

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Speaker 13: Possibly.

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Speaker 12: I mean, you're going pretty far back to when balloting

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00:57:34,640 --> 00:57:37,880
Speaker 12: came back into play, so there was another time of that,

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00:57:37,960 --> 00:57:41,320
Speaker 12: but no, there's traditionally there has only been one from

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00:57:41,360 --> 00:57:44,080
Speaker 12: this and this year. There's an election Governance Committee of

1163
00:57:44,080 --> 00:57:46,960
Speaker 12: the Boarder Directors of the Hall of Fame that reviews

1164
00:57:47,000 --> 00:57:49,720
Speaker 12: all the candidates and given the last ten years there's

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00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:52,919
Speaker 12: only been eight inductees, We've had a couple of years

1166
00:57:52,920 --> 00:57:55,640
Speaker 12: where there's only been one Pete Rose in sixteen, Marty

1167
00:57:55,640 --> 00:57:58,240
Speaker 12: Brenneman winning in twenty one, and then there was also

1168
00:57:58,240 --> 00:58:00,120
Speaker 12: a couple of years where we didn't have inductions, so

1169
00:58:00,120 --> 00:58:02,440
Speaker 12: we got off our every other year cycle a little bit.

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Speaker 12: Twenty twenty five was targeted to be a year for

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00:58:05,960 --> 00:58:08,640
Speaker 12: induction since we did one in twenty three, but due

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00:58:08,680 --> 00:58:11,320
Speaker 12: to the focus and emphasis on the fiftieth anniversary the

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00:58:11,360 --> 00:58:14,880
Speaker 12: seventy five Championship, we decided to move it off to

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00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:18,360
Speaker 12: this year and that was strategically done. And here we are,

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Speaker 12: and I think we're going to have a good class.

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Speaker 4: When do the other members of the Class of twenty

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Speaker 4: twenty six get announced?

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00:58:27,640 --> 00:58:32,080
Speaker 12: So everybody will be announced in one single announcement, probably

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00:58:32,080 --> 00:58:34,880
Speaker 12: about the second week of December. So while the fan

1180
00:58:35,000 --> 00:58:37,480
Speaker 12: voting is going on. We're mailing out ballots to the

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00:58:37,560 --> 00:58:41,080
Speaker 12: alumni and also to media. Now to be a Reds

1182
00:58:41,080 --> 00:58:43,240
Speaker 12: alum to be eligible to vote, you also have to

1183
00:58:43,240 --> 00:58:44,920
Speaker 12: have played three years with the Reds, so a lot

1184
00:58:44,960 --> 00:58:47,320
Speaker 12: of the teammates of these players will be voting, so

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00:58:47,360 --> 00:58:49,880
Speaker 12: that really does play into this. The Veterans Committee will

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00:58:49,880 --> 00:58:52,720
Speaker 12: meet the first week of December. We'll take the results

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00:58:52,720 --> 00:58:54,320
Speaker 12: of both of those that come out with the class

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00:58:54,360 --> 00:58:57,680
Speaker 12: announcement in the second week of December, right before the holidays,

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Speaker 12: and hopefully we'll have these players back in and visiting

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Speaker 12: the Hall of Fame and the ballpark often, maybe even

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00:59:03,160 --> 00:59:06,760
Speaker 12: RedFest next year. So look a lot to look forward to.

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Speaker 12: And you mentioned it earlier, that induction a little earlier

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00:59:09,120 --> 00:59:11,800
Speaker 12: this year April twenty four, twenty five, twenty six. The

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00:59:11,840 --> 00:59:14,840
Speaker 12: celebration will have meet and greets in the museum with

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00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:18,280
Speaker 12: not just the current inductees, but this is a great

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00:59:18,320 --> 00:59:21,280
Speaker 12: celebration of Red's history. We bring back all of the

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Speaker 12: Hall of famers to visit them and their families and

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Speaker 12: just have a wonderful celebration.

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Speaker 4: You can cast your ballot Redsmuseum dot org through November

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00:59:29,960 --> 00:59:34,320
Speaker 4: the twenty seventh one ballot per person slash email address

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Speaker 4: per day. You mentioned something that's important because it was

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00:59:37,240 --> 00:59:40,280
Speaker 4: sorely missed last year due to the construction of the

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00:59:40,720 --> 00:59:43,520
Speaker 4: Convention Center downtown. But Reds Fest will be back.

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00:59:45,440 --> 00:59:47,919
Speaker 12: It will be you know, and it's another reason why

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00:59:47,920 --> 00:59:49,920
Speaker 12: there was an induction last year. We really wanted the

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00:59:49,960 --> 00:59:52,680
Speaker 12: gala at the Convention Center, a big fundraiser for the

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00:59:52,760 --> 00:59:56,920
Speaker 12: museum that's associated with the induction, of course, but RedFest

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00:59:56,960 --> 00:59:59,200
Speaker 12: is an exciting time for the museum and all Reds

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00:59:59,240 --> 01:00:02,480
Speaker 12: fans back in the Convention Center, the first major event

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01:00:02,600 --> 01:00:05,920
Speaker 12: there chance you know, tickets just went on sale yesterday,

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01:00:06,040 --> 01:00:08,880
Speaker 12: so it's a great opportunity to meet with current players

1212
01:00:08,920 --> 01:00:13,040
Speaker 12: and coaches, photograph opportunities. You just know, there's memorabilia everywhere,

1213
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Speaker 12: so much to do and a lot to kind of

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Speaker 12: look forward to. Is we're prepping for this great twenty

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Speaker 12: twenty sixth season. I know there's high hopes with a

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Speaker 12: lot of fans. We've got a taste of the playoffs

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Speaker 12: and feeling like getting back to the Convention Center is

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Speaker 12: a way to get back to normal here and have

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Speaker 12: Red Fest and have a great baseball season.

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Speaker 4: Am I allowed to tell you who I will be

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Speaker 4: voting for.

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Speaker 12: Well, you're getting a ballot in the mail, so up

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01:00:35,520 --> 01:00:39,280
Speaker 12: to you. I would not divulge your vote if you

1224
01:00:39,400 --> 01:00:41,360
Speaker 12: sent your ballot back in just but you're more than

1225
01:00:41,800 --> 01:00:44,040
Speaker 12: welcome to announced who you're voting for.

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Speaker 4: Let's let well, I'm voting for Brandon Phillips. All right, Okay,

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Speaker 4: I mean, let.

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Speaker 5: Me write that down right now.

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Speaker 13: Brandon.

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Speaker 4: Okay.

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Speaker 13: Check.

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Speaker 4: I still wanted to send me a ballot because I

1233
01:00:55,800 --> 01:00:58,640
Speaker 4: like having them, but I'm voting for Brandon Phillips. Literally,

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01:00:58,680 --> 01:01:02,640
Speaker 4: the best defensive player that I've had, really sort of

1235
01:01:03,360 --> 01:01:05,160
Speaker 4: you know. I remember when they acquired him, and there

1236
01:01:05,200 --> 01:01:08,000
Speaker 4: was this breadth of fresh air with this guy who boy,

1237
01:01:08,040 --> 01:01:09,560
Speaker 4: it felt like he was one of those dudes who

1238
01:01:09,600 --> 01:01:11,920
Speaker 4: can build around. And God, here before the Vados and

1239
01:01:11,960 --> 01:01:14,320
Speaker 4: the Bruces and all those guys, was here for the

1240
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Speaker 4: twenty ten team. The twenty twelve team led off Game

1241
01:01:17,680 --> 01:01:19,960
Speaker 4: two in twenty ten with a home run hit, the

1242
01:01:20,000 --> 01:01:22,200
Speaker 4: home run that gave the Reds lead against the Giants,

1243
01:01:22,240 --> 01:01:25,840
Speaker 4: Game one of twenty twelve. Bunch of gold gloves, silver sluggers.

1244
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Speaker 4: So Brandon Phillips, and then for me, and I vetted

1245
01:01:28,680 --> 01:01:32,840
Speaker 4: this out, I'm going Aaron Harang eight years here, you know,

1246
01:01:33,040 --> 01:01:36,240
Speaker 4: really unfortunately never got the full taste of twenty ten

1247
01:01:36,280 --> 01:01:38,439
Speaker 4: that he should have gotten. But there was a run

1248
01:01:38,480 --> 01:01:42,240
Speaker 4: here in six and in seven where there were a

1249
01:01:42,240 --> 01:01:44,680
Speaker 4: few pitchers in baseball as good as Aaron Harang pitched

1250
01:01:44,680 --> 01:01:47,360
Speaker 4: here for a while. Those are my two guys.

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Speaker 12: Great choices. There's several great choices on the ballots. I

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01:01:52,240 --> 01:01:54,360
Speaker 12: can't argue with anything that you've said, and some of

1253
01:01:54,360 --> 01:01:56,320
Speaker 12: the other candidates on here as well. And I think

1254
01:01:56,320 --> 01:01:58,680
Speaker 12: that's what's great about this is you remembered so much

1255
01:01:59,240 --> 01:02:02,680
Speaker 12: of these players. Everyone that's looking at the ballot remembers

1256
01:02:02,680 --> 01:02:04,920
Speaker 12: some of these great stories. They were part of the

1257
01:02:04,960 --> 01:02:09,240
Speaker 12: ten twenty and ten, twelve thirteen teams. That that was

1258
01:02:09,400 --> 01:02:11,320
Speaker 12: fun time for being a Reds baseball fan.

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Speaker 13: That was a.

1260
01:02:11,960 --> 01:02:15,000
Speaker 12: Really good time. And here we are already talking about

1261
01:02:15,000 --> 01:02:18,280
Speaker 12: these guys making their way into the largest team Hall

1262
01:02:18,320 --> 01:02:21,280
Speaker 12: of Fame and all of baseball, greatest museum that you'll

1263
01:02:21,280 --> 01:02:24,840
Speaker 12: find for any team, and they have all been to Gallas.

1264
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Speaker 12: So now you're into a time frame where the candidates

1265
01:02:28,560 --> 01:02:32,080
Speaker 12: have all seen how the Reds handle Hall of Fame

1266
01:02:32,280 --> 01:02:35,280
Speaker 12: inductions and it's something that other teams don't do.

1267
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Speaker 13: Quite as well.

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Speaker 12: Some teams do it well, but not like the Reds

1269
01:02:38,120 --> 01:02:40,640
Speaker 12: do with the induction festivities and of course the big

1270
01:02:40,680 --> 01:02:43,960
Speaker 12: gal at the convention center. So we're excited to have

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Speaker 12: that Moniker, and I hope everybody will vote and vote.

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Speaker 4: Offen vote now. Redsmuseum dot Org runs through the twenty

1273
01:02:52,360 --> 01:02:55,440
Speaker 4: seven so you have a couple of weeks eight quality candidates.

1274
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Speaker 4: Two will get voted in and be a part of

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Speaker 4: the class of twenty twenty six. Next to April. Rick.

1276
01:03:00,840 --> 01:03:02,560
Speaker 4: Always awesome to have you man, Thanks so much.

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01:03:02,720 --> 01:03:05,000
Speaker 12: Hey, thanks for having me. I'll look forward to talking

1278
01:03:05,000 --> 01:03:05,120
Speaker 12: to you.

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01:03:05,200 --> 01:03:08,400
Speaker 4: Shame most definitely that's our guy, Rick Walls, Executive Director,

1280
01:03:08,480 --> 01:03:11,720
Speaker 4: Red's Hall of Fame Museum, redsmuseum dot org. You can

1281
01:03:11,800 --> 01:03:14,760
Speaker 4: vote for any of those guys and it would make sense.

1282
01:03:14,960 --> 01:03:17,840
Speaker 4: Brandon Phillips was a no brainer. I think the moment

1283
01:03:17,880 --> 01:03:20,480
Speaker 4: he retired, we all thought, well, first time on the ballot,

1284
01:03:20,520 --> 01:03:23,160
Speaker 4: he's getting in. He'll get in. I cannot imagine a

1285
01:03:23,200 --> 01:03:26,240
Speaker 4: world where he's not voted in in twenty twenty six.

1286
01:03:26,320 --> 01:03:29,320
Speaker 4: The rest are a little tricky, you know. Aaron Harang,

1287
01:03:29,480 --> 01:03:32,600
Speaker 4: unfortunately his best years didn't happen on teams that were great.

1288
01:03:32,680 --> 01:03:36,080
Speaker 4: He was on the twenty ten team, my memory serves

1289
01:03:36,120 --> 01:03:38,480
Speaker 4: me correct, didn't even make the postseason roster. Ended up

1290
01:03:38,520 --> 01:03:40,800
Speaker 4: pitching for a number of years after he left Cincinnati.

1291
01:03:41,400 --> 01:03:44,120
Speaker 4: But there were a couple of years the six team,

1292
01:03:44,240 --> 01:03:47,320
Speaker 4: which was in first place by mid August, as late

1293
01:03:47,360 --> 01:03:50,400
Speaker 4: as mid August, the one two was Harangu and Arroyo,

1294
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Speaker 4: and that was that was not insignificant at that time.

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Speaker 4: here as we do every single Tuesday. The sports headlines

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Speaker 4: are basically me telling you which college basketball games are

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Speaker 4: being played tonight. The chances are, if you care about

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Speaker 4: these teams, you already know they're playing tonight. You see

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Speaker 4: will host Dayton third consecutive. The Bearcats and Flyers have

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Speaker 4: hooked up seven o'clock tonight on seven hundred WLW. Meanwhile,

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Speaker 4: a battle of two teams that offensively so far this

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Speaker 4: year have been awesome, Kentucky and Louisville hookup in Louisville

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Speaker 4: at eight tip off in the pregame show on ESPN

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Speaker 4: fifteen thirty. Also tonight, Ohio State battles app State and

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Speaker 4: Wright State takes on Toledo. Colubus Bluejackets, who are not

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Speaker 4: a college basketball team, on the road tonight against Seattle

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Speaker 4: Oakley Greens an awesome place to watch all those college

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Speaker 4: basketball games. Speaking of college basketball, what was that that

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Speaker 4: Xavier put on the floor last night? I think all

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Speaker 4: of us have expected, and look, it may have just

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Speaker 4: been a very good night for herb Sendex Santa Clara team,

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Speaker 4: which I think is pretty good, and just the worst

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Speaker 4: possible night for Richard Patino's team. In no set of

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Speaker 4: circumstances should you over react to what you see from

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Speaker 4: a college basketball team in November. But I think all

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Speaker 4: of us have expected Xavier to have a tough season

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Speaker 4: in the Big East. I think all of us have

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Speaker 4: expected Xavier to maybe lose a game or two end

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Speaker 4: quote by games. They were getting howsed last night. That game,

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Speaker 4: the final score, which they lost by nineteen at home

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Speaker 4: that game, that final score is not reflective of how

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Speaker 4: uncompetitive that game was. Quite frankly, I think the biggest

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Speaker 4: lead that the Broncos had was thirty four points. They

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Speaker 4: got the Musketeers twenty nine from Robbie Anderson from Roddy

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Speaker 4: Anderson and twenty one from Trey Carroll, and had those

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Speaker 4: two players not had great nights, just from a scoring perspective,

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Speaker 4: I don't know what that score looks like. That was.

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Speaker 4: That was beyond anything that I have imagined for this team. Look,

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Speaker 4: you're gonna take it with a grain of salt because

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Speaker 4: it's coming for me. But I certainly haven't found anybody

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Speaker 4: who thinks the Musketeers are gonna have a very good

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Speaker 4: team this year. Most observers would say they're really gonna

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Speaker 4: struggle to win more than maybe a handful of games

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Speaker 4: in the Big East. They were not awesome against Marist.

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Speaker 4: There were stretches against Lemoyne where they weren't very good

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Speaker 4: at all. Those two teams were trying to out airball

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Speaker 4: each other, and again, Santa Clair may end up being

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Speaker 4: pretty good. Went to a Herb Sendeck basketball camp when

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Speaker 4: I was in high school. For what it's worth, which

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Speaker 4: is nothing, what they did last night, the just sheer

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Speaker 4: offensive ineptitude is unlike anything I imagined we would see

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Speaker 4: from them this year. I'm sure they'll get better. Uh,

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Speaker 4: it's just year one. I understand all those things. I

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Speaker 4: think there's been a just a built in level of

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Speaker 4: pati that every Xavier fan has expected to have this year.

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Speaker 4: But if that is what it's going to look like

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Speaker 4: moving forward this season, even in just the short term,

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Speaker 4: oh boy. Eighty seven to sixty eight. The Musketeers followed

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Speaker 4: home to Santa Clara. Up next for XU they go

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Speaker 4: to Iowa. It is twenty eighteen away from five o'clock.

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Speaker 4: Sean Sayant is going to join us. In the five

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Speaker 4: o'clock hour. You'll hear from Scott Satderfield as well as

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Speaker 4: his team gets set to take on Arizona on Saturday

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Speaker 4: at noon. There is a game tonight between U See

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Speaker 4: and Dayton, and I think it was early last year

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Speaker 4: we anointed our guy, Drew wester Heidi as the official

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Speaker 4: Dayton basketball correspondent of The Moeger Show. And Drew is

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Speaker 4: here and he's going to talk about tonight's game with

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Speaker 4: us when we come back on ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports.

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Speaker 8: five eighty five. UCCC still got an accident on the

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Speaker 8: Ohio side of northbound seventy one after two seventy five.

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Speaker 8: That one is off onto the right shoulder, and still

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Speaker 4: No area year College Basketball Night at the NBA. Since

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Speaker 4: you're asking the next host to Grizzlies. New York is

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Speaker 4: undefeated at home, looking to make it seventh straight at

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Speaker 4: the world's most famous arena. We're at Oakley Greens here

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Speaker 4: in Oakley, which is I guess the reason they call

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Speaker 4: it Oakley Greens and you can watch your favorite college

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Speaker 4: basketball team tonight. You can watch it probably your favorite

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Speaker 4: NBA game if if you ask uh so, check out

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Speaker 4: Oakley Greens. And by the way, make sure to make

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Speaker 4: Alias plays and it's a good time. Before we get

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Speaker 4: Question is if the Bengals are mathematically eliminated from playoff contention,

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Speaker 4: should Joe Burrow playing games that have no postseason implications?

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Speaker 4: Seventy voting as early say no vote now at Moegar.

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Speaker 4: I believe the first time we did this, he called

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Speaker 4: us from Maui, where Dayton played in the Maui Invitational

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Speaker 4: last year. Should have won, it lost a heartbreaker of

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Speaker 4: Carolina one to State and then throttled Yukon and our

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Speaker 4: guy Drew wester Heidi, who was producing the show on site,

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Speaker 4: we said, well, let's call you from Maui because God

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Speaker 4: knows you won't have anything to do there when you're

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Speaker 4: not watching basketball, and join us to talk about my

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Speaker 4: alma mater of the Dayton Flyers. And we decided, because

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Speaker 4: you were so good, that you would be the official

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Speaker 4: Dayton Flyers correspondent of this show.

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Speaker 2: So here you are here.

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Speaker 14: I am glad to be here, glad to be back

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Speaker 14: on your program.

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Speaker 4: Are you going to the game tonight?

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Speaker 2: I am going to the game.

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Speaker 4: Give me a lot of Flyers fans there tonight, I

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Speaker 4: think so.

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Speaker 14: I don't think it'll be quite as the percentage dispersion

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Speaker 14: as it was when it was a.

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Speaker 2: Neutral site game. No, but I do think you'll see a.

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Speaker 14: Fair amount of Flyers in the crowd there tonight.

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Speaker 4: All right. I hate that these two teams play. This

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01:12:40,280 --> 01:12:43,760
Speaker 4: is like, this is like watching parents fight. And I

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Speaker 4: trust me, I grew up watching my parents fight. So

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Speaker 4: I should be used to it. But this is there.

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Speaker 4: These are two things I love, and one of them

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Speaker 4: is going to be disappointed tonight. I hate it. I

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Speaker 4: wish they weren't playing, but here we are.

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Speaker 2: But here we are.

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Speaker 14: It's the third year in a row. This is the

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Speaker 14: first game at the third Arena for Dayton in quite

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Speaker 14: a while. Probably got to be since the Bob the

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Speaker 14: Huggins days.

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Speaker 4: Oh well, they played in the n that's twenty ten. Yep,

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Speaker 4: Dayton won that one.

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Speaker 14: Yes so, and then the return trip to you to

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Speaker 14: Arena is next year.

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Speaker 4: I can't wait for that. Can't be excited.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, it's a lot of fun. I'm glad that, you know,

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Speaker 14: as fun as the games were Heritage Bank. I'm glad

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Speaker 14: that they are doing the home and home series. This

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Speaker 14: is a game that feels like it should be played

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Speaker 14: on you.

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Speaker 4: No, I'm glad they've extended the series. And while I

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Speaker 4: hate that these two schools play against each other for

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Speaker 4: emotional reasons, I wish there were more games like this.

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Speaker 4: I watched the game on Saturday, the Maryland Baltimore County game.

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Speaker 4: What I hated about it was how Dayton didn't defend

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Speaker 4: the three.

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Speaker 14: Well, yeah, and that's that's been an issue through the

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Speaker 14: first two games. Evenkenisias, who they beat by forty, shot

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Speaker 14: at pretty well from three, and Dayton is giving up

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Speaker 14: forty from three to their opponents through two games. So

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Speaker 14: they've started to press more this year, which is a

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Speaker 14: bit new. That's something you haven't seen a lot out

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Speaker 14: of a Dayton you know, Anthony Grant led Dayton team.

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Speaker 14: So I think that's been part of what's led to

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Speaker 14: the inflated three point shooting numbers for the opponents. You know,

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Speaker 14: you break the press, then all of a sudden, you

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Speaker 14: got numbers, then you got a guy wide open. And

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Speaker 14: you know, I watched the games too, and I'll say this,

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Speaker 14: some of the shots that UNBC made were tough shots. Yeah,

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Speaker 14: like they were tough shots. So it is a it

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Speaker 14: is a point of concern for tonight especially. You know,

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Speaker 14: you see playing at home, comfy gym. It's not the

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Speaker 14: hockey arena. It's where these guys play all the time,

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Speaker 14: so that is a bit of a concern.

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Speaker 4: I do think it's interesting, and you know, I wish

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Speaker 4: more teams pressed because it's a fun style of basketball

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Speaker 4: to watch. It will be the first time I think

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Speaker 4: that the Bearcats have gotten full court pressure defense. I

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Speaker 4: think Arkansas did it to them a little bit in

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Speaker 4: the second exhibition game they played. But when you're trying

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Speaker 4: to figure out how the pieces fit, what you don't

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Speaker 4: want as a team that could put really good ball

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Speaker 4: pressure on you on your end of the floor.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, and I think Dayton that's gonna be a big

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Speaker 14: point of emphasis for them. You know, they forced thirty

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Speaker 14: four turnovers through two games, so seventeen a game. I

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Speaker 14: think that is an avenue for Dayton to win the

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Speaker 14: basketball game to is if they can get that turnover

1506
01:15:01,400 --> 01:15:05,400
Speaker 14: number around that average of seventeen eighteen, nineteen twenty turnovers,

1507
01:15:05,680 --> 01:15:07,800
Speaker 14: you know, he get some easy runouts, get some easy looks,

1508
01:15:07,800 --> 01:15:10,080
Speaker 14: get some easy layups. I think that is kind of

1509
01:15:10,080 --> 01:15:12,080
Speaker 14: the recipe for Dayton to win the basketball game because

1510
01:15:12,080 --> 01:15:13,960
Speaker 14: I don't think they're going to be able to you know,

1511
01:15:14,320 --> 01:15:16,840
Speaker 14: you know, go shot for shot with UC for lack

1512
01:15:16,880 --> 01:15:18,960
Speaker 14: of a better term. So I think the full court

1513
01:15:18,960 --> 01:15:20,960
Speaker 14: press being effective is going to go a long way

1514
01:15:21,040 --> 01:15:21,800
Speaker 14: if Dayton wants to win.

1515
01:15:21,840 --> 01:15:24,000
Speaker 4: There's one thing I think a Dayton Flyers should be

1516
01:15:24,040 --> 01:15:26,080
Speaker 4: able to do. It's go shot for shot for somebody.

1517
01:15:26,240 --> 01:15:28,320
Speaker 14: That's true it depends on what kind of avenue we're

1518
01:15:28,320 --> 01:15:29,040
Speaker 14: talking about.

1519
01:15:28,840 --> 01:15:31,360
Speaker 4: I understand, but yeah, they were picked to finish third

1520
01:15:31,400 --> 01:15:33,439
Speaker 4: in the eight ten. Did that feel about right to you?

1521
01:15:33,920 --> 01:15:34,240
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1522
01:15:34,280 --> 01:15:38,000
Speaker 14: Probably. It's a big, you know, a big turnover on

1523
01:15:38,040 --> 01:15:40,400
Speaker 14: the roster. You only have four guys returning from last

1524
01:15:40,479 --> 01:15:43,320
Speaker 14: year's time. You have Jovon Bennett, who is the guy

1525
01:15:43,360 --> 01:15:44,439
Speaker 14: he finally gets to beat.

1526
01:15:44,439 --> 01:15:46,200
Speaker 4: He did not play well against Cincinnati last.

1527
01:15:46,080 --> 01:15:47,680
Speaker 14: Year, did not play well against the Night las year,

1528
01:15:47,720 --> 01:15:49,679
Speaker 14: but has played well in the first two games this season.

1529
01:15:50,040 --> 01:15:53,400
Speaker 14: He is the one A guy, so it's interesting to

1530
01:15:53,400 --> 01:15:55,760
Speaker 14: see how he is taken to that. Amiel la Toong

1531
01:15:55,880 --> 01:15:57,960
Speaker 14: is back the Big seven Wine Frenchman, and then you know,

1532
01:15:57,960 --> 01:16:00,400
Speaker 14: it's a lot of transfers to Shane Montgomery from Georgia,

1533
01:16:00,479 --> 01:16:03,400
Speaker 14: Cayante Jones from cal State Northridge, and then you know

1534
01:16:03,439 --> 01:16:06,439
Speaker 14: a host of guys on the bench, so a bit

1535
01:16:06,439 --> 01:16:07,960
Speaker 14: of a new team. I think a lot of why

1536
01:16:08,000 --> 01:16:10,479
Speaker 14: they were pick third is because of that unfamiliarity of

1537
01:16:10,520 --> 01:16:13,280
Speaker 14: what it was going to look like. So I think

1538
01:16:13,400 --> 01:16:15,960
Speaker 14: through the first week of the season, there's nothing that

1539
01:16:16,000 --> 01:16:19,160
Speaker 14: has happened that has changed that I know. VCU lost

1540
01:16:19,200 --> 01:16:22,120
Speaker 14: to a good Utah State team out out West. So

1541
01:16:22,439 --> 01:16:25,439
Speaker 14: that doesn't really dissuade me in any way on where

1542
01:16:25,520 --> 01:16:27,400
Speaker 14: Dayton lies in the A ten pack.

1543
01:16:27,439 --> 01:16:30,160
Speaker 4: Year and nine for Anthony Grant, and I feel like

1544
01:16:30,200 --> 01:16:33,720
Speaker 4: the goodwill of twenty twenty has kind of has kind

1545
01:16:33,720 --> 01:16:36,320
Speaker 4: of been played out, and so there's a lot of exasperation,

1546
01:16:36,400 --> 01:16:39,160
Speaker 4: a lot of impatience if we get to selection Sunday,

1547
01:16:39,400 --> 01:16:41,160
Speaker 4: because we talk about this all the time with Wes

1548
01:16:41,240 --> 01:16:44,320
Speaker 4: Miller and Dayton doesn't pop up on the TV screen.

1549
01:16:44,360 --> 01:16:46,800
Speaker 4: What does that mean for Anthony Grant.

1550
01:16:46,880 --> 01:16:50,600
Speaker 14: Well, it's it'll be interesting. I do agree that the

1551
01:16:50,600 --> 01:16:53,839
Speaker 14: good will of twenty twenty is no longer there. However,

1552
01:16:53,880 --> 01:16:56,320
Speaker 14: when he made the tournament and Deron Holmes his last year,

1553
01:16:56,600 --> 01:16:58,960
Speaker 14: they have the big comeback on again of that. Yeah,

1554
01:16:59,040 --> 01:17:01,599
Speaker 14: you know, they win the game pretty competitive against Arizona

1555
01:17:01,680 --> 01:17:04,920
Speaker 14: despite falling. I think that bought him a little more time.

1556
01:17:05,000 --> 01:17:07,600
Speaker 14: But now how last season ended. You have such a

1557
01:17:07,600 --> 01:17:10,439
Speaker 14: great non conference, you know, start to the non con,

1558
01:17:10,520 --> 01:17:13,479
Speaker 14: then you come to Cincinnati kind of get you know,

1559
01:17:13,840 --> 01:17:15,320
Speaker 14: run out of the gym a little bit. They made

1560
01:17:15,320 --> 01:17:18,160
Speaker 14: that game pretty competitive at the end, and then you

1561
01:17:18,160 --> 01:17:19,920
Speaker 14: know the bad losses in a ten play and you

1562
01:17:19,960 --> 01:17:23,719
Speaker 14: find yourself on the outside looking in come selecting Sunday. Yeah,

1563
01:17:23,960 --> 01:17:26,000
Speaker 14: if Dayton is not in the tournament this year, it's

1564
01:17:26,560 --> 01:17:29,000
Speaker 14: there are going to be conversations about what happens, whether

1565
01:17:29,080 --> 01:17:31,680
Speaker 14: it's do they move on, does anythingy Grant retire? His

1566
01:17:31,840 --> 01:17:34,599
Speaker 14: name has been thrown in retirement rumors for the past

1567
01:17:34,640 --> 01:17:36,719
Speaker 14: several years. So you know, where there's smoke, there's fire

1568
01:17:36,760 --> 01:17:40,160
Speaker 14: when it comes to that. But you know, if Grant

1569
01:17:40,160 --> 01:17:42,960
Speaker 14: wants to feel secure, getting into the dance would go

1570
01:17:43,040 --> 01:17:43,760
Speaker 14: a long long way.

1571
01:17:43,960 --> 01:17:47,080
Speaker 4: Just too many of those A ten losses, especially on

1572
01:17:47,120 --> 01:17:50,439
Speaker 4: the road, which I think, unfortunately, with the exception of

1573
01:17:50,479 --> 01:17:53,640
Speaker 4: a few years under Archie, has been a hallmark at

1574
01:17:53,640 --> 01:17:55,840
Speaker 4: the program since I was a student at UDI, and

1575
01:17:55,840 --> 01:17:57,040
Speaker 4: that was a long damn time ago.

1576
01:17:57,240 --> 01:18:00,439
Speaker 14: Yes, uh, you know losses to you know Lisu, Yeah,

1577
01:18:00,479 --> 01:18:03,240
Speaker 14: or you know a non good George Mason.

1578
01:18:02,920 --> 01:18:04,519
Speaker 2: Team several years in the past.

1579
01:18:05,040 --> 01:18:07,280
Speaker 14: Yeah, they just run and we call them land mines

1580
01:18:07,560 --> 01:18:10,120
Speaker 14: and they just seem to trip over a land mine

1581
01:18:10,160 --> 01:18:12,760
Speaker 14: or two that puts them behind the eight ball when

1582
01:18:12,800 --> 01:18:15,120
Speaker 14: it comes to selection Sunday. And even the year they

1583
01:18:15,120 --> 01:18:17,439
Speaker 14: did make the tournament, they had a couple of those

1584
01:18:17,960 --> 01:18:20,519
Speaker 14: stumbling blocks and they were you know that they got in.

1585
01:18:21,080 --> 01:18:23,960
Speaker 14: But yeah, so it'll be interesting to see what happens

1586
01:18:24,000 --> 01:18:27,040
Speaker 14: with Dayton this year. I've liked how they've looked. I

1587
01:18:27,120 --> 01:18:30,000
Speaker 14: honestly didn't think they played particularly bad against UNBC, but

1588
01:18:30,040 --> 01:18:32,160
Speaker 14: obviously on the defensive end could have been a lot better.

1589
01:18:32,840 --> 01:18:34,519
Speaker 14: The spread the night, I believe it's six and a half.

1590
01:18:34,760 --> 01:18:37,000
Speaker 14: You see is favored by six and a half. That

1591
01:18:37,000 --> 01:18:40,080
Speaker 14: feels like a pretty good number there. So, yeah, it

1592
01:18:40,080 --> 01:18:42,960
Speaker 14: should be a good game and we'll see how it goes.

1593
01:18:43,200 --> 01:18:45,360
Speaker 14: It feels like two teams still trying to figure out

1594
01:18:45,400 --> 01:18:46,600
Speaker 14: what this is all gonna look like.

1595
01:18:46,720 --> 01:18:48,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, there is a part of me that loves the

1596
01:18:48,720 --> 01:18:51,400
Speaker 4: fact that we have games that matter this early in

1597
01:18:51,439 --> 01:18:53,960
Speaker 4: the season, but the games aren't as good as they

1598
01:18:53,960 --> 01:18:55,960
Speaker 4: would be if they were played a month later. Right,

1599
01:18:56,000 --> 01:18:57,439
Speaker 4: and then we talk about this all the time with

1600
01:18:57,479 --> 01:19:01,559
Speaker 4: the Skyline Chili Crossdown shootout, Like you know, obviously Cincinnati

1601
01:19:01,600 --> 01:19:03,240
Speaker 4: and Daton are not gonna play in January. I wish

1602
01:19:03,240 --> 01:19:05,800
Speaker 4: they would play closer to Christmas, which they did last year.

1603
01:19:06,200 --> 01:19:09,240
Speaker 4: But I wish they would play closer to Christmas, especially

1604
01:19:09,280 --> 01:19:12,400
Speaker 4: in this era where coaches are trying to find out

1605
01:19:12,479 --> 01:19:13,599
Speaker 4: on the fly what they have.

1606
01:19:13,560 --> 01:19:16,080
Speaker 14: But here for sure, and it's it's Dayton's first big

1607
01:19:16,120 --> 01:19:18,719
Speaker 14: test of the non conference, in which it's a pretty

1608
01:19:18,760 --> 01:19:21,000
Speaker 14: loaded non conference schedule for Daton this year. They play

1609
01:19:21,080 --> 01:19:23,640
Speaker 14: U see they played Georgetown in Orlando, and then they

1610
01:19:23,640 --> 01:19:25,919
Speaker 14: play either the winner or loser of BYU in Miami.

1611
01:19:26,120 --> 01:19:28,639
Speaker 14: They play Virginia and Charlotte. They get Florida State at

1612
01:19:28,640 --> 01:19:31,439
Speaker 14: the Arena, and then they go to Marquette next week.

1613
01:19:32,560 --> 01:19:34,160
Speaker 4: Awesome, it did a good job as always.

1614
01:19:34,200 --> 01:19:35,479
Speaker 14: Thank you, thank you for having me on your program.

1615
01:19:35,600 --> 01:19:38,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, of course, where'd you get that hat? To get that?

1616
01:19:38,120 --> 01:19:40,559
Speaker 14: In the threst store, buddy of mine got this for me.

1617
01:19:40,920 --> 01:19:43,040
Speaker 4: That hat looked out dated when I was a freshman

1618
01:19:43,080 --> 01:19:44,080
Speaker 4: and that was thirty years ago.

1619
01:19:44,360 --> 01:19:45,439
Speaker 14: Oh well, that's love it.

1620
01:19:45,479 --> 01:19:45,840
Speaker 2: I love it.

1621
01:19:45,880 --> 01:19:49,680
Speaker 14: The light blue, the chapel blue is back in Thank you.

1622
01:19:50,160 --> 01:19:51,720
Speaker 14: I say, you're a hat kind of swer man. You're

1623
01:19:51,720 --> 01:19:53,599
Speaker 14: a hat man, so you can appreciate.

1624
01:19:53,640 --> 01:19:55,880
Speaker 4: Fine. I haven't found a good Dayton hat in a while,

1625
01:19:56,400 --> 01:19:56,960
Speaker 4: and we'll have.

1626
01:19:56,880 --> 01:19:57,320
Speaker 2: To fix that.

1627
01:19:57,360 --> 01:19:58,200
Speaker 4: I'm still looking for one.

1628
01:19:58,240 --> 01:19:58,920
Speaker 2: We'll have to fix that.

1629
01:19:58,960 --> 01:20:01,600
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1630
01:20:01,600 --> 01:20:04,960
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1636
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1637
01:20:22,400 --> 01:20:26,400
Speaker 4: It's five Day five ESPN fifteen thirty. Moleg you're broadcasting

1638
01:20:26,520 --> 01:20:31,519
Speaker 4: today from Oakley Greens. It is the bud Light five

1639
01:20:31,520 --> 01:20:33,559
Speaker 4: o'clock Happy Iem here at Oakley Greens. You know what

1640
01:20:33,600 --> 01:20:38,599
Speaker 4: they will sell you at Oakley Greens, Hey, refreshing ice

1641
01:20:38,640 --> 01:20:44,760
Speaker 4: called bud Light. Easy to drink, easy to enjoy. We

1642
01:20:44,840 --> 01:20:46,920
Speaker 4: love the folks here at Oakley Greens for having us.

1643
01:20:47,200 --> 01:20:50,080
Speaker 4: Great plays for your holiday parties, great plays to watch

1644
01:20:50,120 --> 01:20:52,960
Speaker 4: college basketball, the holiday decor here. You know, we were

1645
01:20:53,000 --> 01:20:57,759
Speaker 4: here last Tuesday and we watched like this army of dudes.

1646
01:20:57,800 --> 01:21:00,000
Speaker 4: I need to hire these guys to do my Christmas decks.

1647
01:21:01,240 --> 01:21:03,880
Speaker 4: My Christmas decorations are not as elaborate, but I would

1648
01:21:03,880 --> 01:21:06,840
Speaker 4: still like to hire these dudes to do them. And

1649
01:21:06,920 --> 01:21:09,439
Speaker 4: their work is paid off. Is it is beautiful here,

1650
01:21:09,479 --> 01:21:12,839
Speaker 4: great for holiday parties. We do have a Darth Vader

1651
01:21:13,880 --> 01:21:18,200
Speaker 4: with a lightsaber that's like a candy cane, which I

1652
01:21:18,240 --> 01:21:20,080
Speaker 4: think that would soften the blow if he cut off

1653
01:21:20,080 --> 01:21:22,920
Speaker 4: your hand. And we've got a Stormtrooper, and I think

1654
01:21:23,320 --> 01:21:27,120
Speaker 4: there's a Chewbacca over there. When you think holiday season,

1655
01:21:27,160 --> 01:21:30,640
Speaker 4: you think Chewbacca. So you can visit those characters. I

1656
01:21:30,640 --> 01:21:33,320
Speaker 4: mean you could visit them. They're not like walking around

1657
01:21:33,320 --> 01:21:37,160
Speaker 4: their statues mannequins, but they're here at Oakley Greens and

1658
01:21:37,200 --> 01:21:39,760
Speaker 4: they are The Stormtrooper has a Santa Claus add on,

1659
01:21:40,040 --> 01:21:42,439
Speaker 4: Chewbacca has a Santa Claus add on. So you could

1660
01:21:42,439 --> 01:21:45,960
Speaker 4: see them and celebrate the holidays with these iconic science

1661
01:21:46,000 --> 01:21:50,920
Speaker 4: fiction film characters here at Oakley Greens. Awesome place to

1662
01:21:50,920 --> 01:21:52,840
Speaker 4: watch college basketball as well, and got a couple of

1663
01:21:52,920 --> 01:21:55,400
Speaker 4: games that I U see versus Dayton, Kentucky and Louisville.

1664
01:21:55,720 --> 01:21:58,439
Speaker 4: More on them coming up here in just a bit.

1665
01:21:58,960 --> 01:22:02,080
Speaker 4: Really good stuff from Paul Dayner Junior in the first

1666
01:22:02,120 --> 01:22:05,040
Speaker 4: hour of the show. And I will be the first

1667
01:22:05,040 --> 01:22:09,040
Speaker 4: to admit it's really hard to be optimistic about the Bengals.

1668
01:22:09,600 --> 01:22:12,840
Speaker 4: They've lost six out of seven. The defense is maybe

1669
01:22:12,840 --> 01:22:16,639
Speaker 4: the worst in the history of the sport. The math

1670
01:22:16,680 --> 01:22:19,839
Speaker 4: for them to make the postseason as a non division

1671
01:22:19,840 --> 01:22:24,080
Speaker 4: winner is really hard. The math for them to win

1672
01:22:24,120 --> 01:22:28,760
Speaker 4: the division is certainly not easy. I think before you

1673
01:22:28,880 --> 01:22:31,559
Speaker 4: talk about any of those things, put a defense on

1674
01:22:31,600 --> 01:22:34,000
Speaker 4: the field that can get a stop in a key situation,

1675
01:22:34,600 --> 01:22:37,960
Speaker 4: which they haven't done since Week one. They have in

1676
01:22:38,000 --> 01:22:45,599
Speaker 4: front of them defensively, a remarkable undertaking this offseason. There's

1677
01:22:45,680 --> 01:22:49,439
Speaker 4: basically one player to build around, and it's DJ Turner.

1678
01:22:50,160 --> 01:22:52,120
Speaker 4: Daner and I talked about this in the first hour

1679
01:22:52,120 --> 01:22:55,240
Speaker 4: of the show. Something the Bengals haven't been good at

1680
01:22:55,560 --> 01:22:59,080
Speaker 4: is getting out in front of the market and signing

1681
01:22:59,120 --> 01:23:03,000
Speaker 4: players long term before they could put a gun to

1682
01:23:03,040 --> 01:23:06,840
Speaker 4: your header before the market changes again. They screwed this

1683
01:23:06,960 --> 01:23:09,400
Speaker 4: up with Jamar Chase. They screwed this up with t Higgins,

1684
01:23:09,479 --> 01:23:12,840
Speaker 4: They screwed this up with Trey Hendrickson. How about not

1685
01:23:12,920 --> 01:23:15,600
Speaker 4: screwed up with Dj Turner. And even if he is

1686
01:23:15,680 --> 01:23:20,679
Speaker 4: not like a true genuine number one corner, which I think,

1687
01:23:20,720 --> 01:23:22,720
Speaker 4: frankly to a degree is a little bit of an

1688
01:23:22,760 --> 01:23:26,559
Speaker 4: outdated concept because of how pro offenses work nowadays. That's

1689
01:23:26,560 --> 01:23:28,800
Speaker 4: a building block. That is a building block, that is

1690
01:23:28,840 --> 01:23:30,960
Speaker 4: a guy you can build around, do it long term.

1691
01:23:31,080 --> 01:23:34,160
Speaker 4: Beyond that, what do you got Trey Hendrickson is hurt?

1692
01:23:34,479 --> 01:23:36,560
Speaker 4: Trey Hendrickson's gonna be thirty one by the end of

1693
01:23:36,600 --> 01:23:39,960
Speaker 4: the season. Trey Hendrickson's gonna cost a lot of money. Yes,

1694
01:23:40,720 --> 01:23:43,360
Speaker 4: there are arguments you can make in favor of keeping

1695
01:23:43,400 --> 01:23:46,280
Speaker 4: it here on a franchise tag, but they need a

1696
01:23:46,320 --> 01:23:49,280
Speaker 4: lot of guys. They need a lot of NFL caliber players.

1697
01:23:49,960 --> 01:23:52,080
Speaker 4: Is that money you would give to Trey by tagging

1698
01:23:52,160 --> 01:23:55,360
Speaker 4: him better spent on him or on a number of

1699
01:23:55,400 --> 01:24:00,200
Speaker 4: places on the roster. Regardless, this defense isn't gonna go

1700
01:24:00,320 --> 01:24:02,920
Speaker 4: from what it is right now, which again is not

1701
01:24:03,040 --> 01:24:07,160
Speaker 4: just worse than the league, according to many metrics, is

1702
01:24:07,200 --> 01:24:10,240
Speaker 4: the worst in decades. You're not gonna go from that

1703
01:24:11,360 --> 01:24:15,160
Speaker 4: to a championship caliber defense overnight, probably not gonna do

1704
01:24:15,200 --> 01:24:18,960
Speaker 4: it in one offseason. So you do need things that

1705
01:24:19,160 --> 01:24:22,240
Speaker 4: hasten the process, that speed up the process. That's why

1706
01:24:22,240 --> 01:24:24,479
Speaker 4: we talked about trading Trey Hendrickson. Look, if I can

1707
01:24:24,479 --> 01:24:27,200
Speaker 4: get a draft pick for him, and reportedly they couldn't

1708
01:24:27,200 --> 01:24:29,160
Speaker 4: get more than a four. If they can get a

1709
01:24:29,200 --> 01:24:32,519
Speaker 4: draft pick for him, do it, because that's another piece

1710
01:24:32,560 --> 01:24:35,640
Speaker 4: you could use to fix your defense. But I do

1711
01:24:35,720 --> 01:24:40,120
Speaker 4: think there's something important happening right now, and we'll see

1712
01:24:40,120 --> 01:24:42,720
Speaker 4: if we feel the same way in two months. And

1713
01:24:42,760 --> 01:24:45,040
Speaker 4: it's also something that a lot of folks when you

1714
01:24:45,320 --> 01:24:48,320
Speaker 4: say this, or if you repeat this to somebody, they're

1715
01:24:48,320 --> 01:24:52,639
Speaker 4: gonna laugh at you. It feels like the offensive line

1716
01:24:52,680 --> 01:24:55,719
Speaker 4: is trending in the right direction now. The way Joe

1717
01:24:55,760 --> 01:24:58,600
Speaker 4: Flacco plays, I think has something to do with that.

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01:25:00,479 --> 01:25:02,240
Speaker 4: But they have played pretty well. They've done a good

1719
01:25:02,320 --> 01:25:04,880
Speaker 4: job of keeping them up right. They've been better in

1720
01:25:05,000 --> 01:25:09,760
Speaker 4: terms of setting up the run game, and that's not insignificant.

1721
01:25:09,800 --> 01:25:12,160
Speaker 4: You're seeing a Marius Mims, I think, turn into a

1722
01:25:12,160 --> 01:25:16,879
Speaker 4: pretty good NFL right tackle, and you've seen some encouraging

1723
01:25:16,960 --> 01:25:19,360
Speaker 4: things I think from Jalen Rivers, and there's a lot

1724
01:25:19,400 --> 01:25:23,040
Speaker 4: to like about Dylan Fairchild. And I think it's you know,

1725
01:25:23,200 --> 01:25:27,320
Speaker 4: completely reasonable to wonder, like, well, when is too long

1726
01:25:27,520 --> 01:25:29,679
Speaker 4: going to be long in the tooth for Orlando Brown,

1727
01:25:30,000 --> 01:25:33,920
Speaker 4: there have been moments this year where he's looked old,

1728
01:25:33,960 --> 01:25:37,960
Speaker 4: say maybe the similar the same thing about Ted Carris.

1729
01:25:38,800 --> 01:25:40,800
Speaker 4: But I think this is important and regardless of what

1730
01:25:40,880 --> 01:25:44,120
Speaker 4: happens between now and the end of the season, the

1731
01:25:44,160 --> 01:25:47,040
Speaker 4: way to hasten what I think we would all acknowledge

1732
01:25:47,080 --> 01:25:50,560
Speaker 4: is going to be a very very major undertaking on defense.

1733
01:25:51,720 --> 01:25:54,040
Speaker 4: Is to not need as much work to do on

1734
01:25:54,080 --> 01:25:56,639
Speaker 4: your offense. Now we know where they don't need work, right,

1735
01:25:57,520 --> 01:25:59,640
Speaker 4: They're pretty good at quarterback, They're pretty good at the

1736
01:25:59,680 --> 01:26:02,360
Speaker 4: number of one and two wide receiver spots. Completely fair

1737
01:26:02,400 --> 01:26:04,280
Speaker 4: to wonder who the number three guy next year is

1738
01:26:04,280 --> 01:26:07,240
Speaker 4: gonna be. Feel like they'll figure things out at tight

1739
01:26:07,360 --> 01:26:11,880
Speaker 4: end they typically do. I think everybody likes Chase Brown.

1740
01:26:11,960 --> 01:26:14,120
Speaker 4: I think everybody likes the current composition of the running

1741
01:26:14,120 --> 01:26:15,760
Speaker 4: back room, and if they add to it, that's not

1742
01:26:15,840 --> 01:26:18,640
Speaker 4: gonna cost a lot. What you don't want to have.

1743
01:26:19,360 --> 01:26:22,519
Speaker 4: If you have all of these other problems over here

1744
01:26:23,160 --> 01:26:27,599
Speaker 4: are other problems you have to fix over here. Over here.

1745
01:26:27,720 --> 01:26:32,360
Speaker 4: The second over here is an offensive line that, man,

1746
01:26:32,520 --> 01:26:36,320
Speaker 4: it would be awesome. We might not be there yet,

1747
01:26:37,080 --> 01:26:40,280
Speaker 4: but it would be awesome if by the end of

1748
01:26:40,320 --> 01:26:42,960
Speaker 4: this season you could go you know what, at least

1749
01:26:43,040 --> 01:26:46,599
Speaker 4: in terms of starters, they're set on the O line.

1750
01:26:46,640 --> 01:26:50,400
Speaker 4: You can never have enough, and I'm sure we're gonna

1751
01:26:50,400 --> 01:26:52,800
Speaker 4: be talking about O line depth, especially because they'll have

1752
01:26:52,840 --> 01:26:55,880
Speaker 4: two older players playing left tackle and center. If they

1753
01:26:55,920 --> 01:26:58,960
Speaker 4: do move forward with the same bunch and Jalen Rivers

1754
01:26:58,960 --> 01:27:01,240
Speaker 4: needs to continue to get and you need to see

1755
01:27:01,280 --> 01:27:04,479
Speaker 4: even more from Dylan Fairchild and a Marius MIM's growth

1756
01:27:04,560 --> 01:27:07,920
Speaker 4: can't be stunted. But I think this is one of

1757
01:27:07,960 --> 01:27:11,680
Speaker 4: the most important developments worth paying attention to between now

1758
01:27:11,680 --> 01:27:13,840
Speaker 4: and the end of the season. Yes, can they figure

1759
01:27:13,880 --> 01:27:16,760
Speaker 4: out a way to play themselves back into the postseason race? Yes?

1760
01:27:17,520 --> 01:27:20,479
Speaker 4: Is there anybody else on this defense that's worth moving

1761
01:27:20,520 --> 01:27:24,240
Speaker 4: forward with? Is there any reason to stop talking about

1762
01:27:25,560 --> 01:27:30,479
Speaker 4: moving on from Zach Taylor al Golden? But regardless of

1763
01:27:30,560 --> 01:27:33,759
Speaker 4: who the coach is, regardless of who the defensive coordinator isn't, frankly,

1764
01:27:33,760 --> 01:27:37,080
Speaker 4: regardless of who the the GM or de facto GM

1765
01:27:37,160 --> 01:27:40,600
Speaker 4: next year is, they have so much damn work to

1766
01:27:40,640 --> 01:27:46,200
Speaker 4: do on defense, so much rebuilding to start this offseason,

1767
01:27:47,200 --> 01:27:52,400
Speaker 4: that the way to hasten that rebuild is to be

1768
01:27:52,439 --> 01:27:56,479
Speaker 4: able to devote nearly every conceivable resource to the defensive

1769
01:27:56,520 --> 01:28:00,080
Speaker 4: side of the ball. That is so much easier to

1770
01:28:00,120 --> 01:28:03,960
Speaker 4: do if you look at the offensive line at the

1771
01:28:04,040 --> 01:28:06,960
Speaker 4: end of this season and feel pretty good about where

1772
01:28:06,960 --> 01:28:09,400
Speaker 4: it is, and feel pretty good about moving forward with

1773
01:28:09,479 --> 01:28:13,080
Speaker 4: those five guys, and again, they'll look for I hope

1774
01:28:13,080 --> 01:28:16,000
Speaker 4: they look for depth pieces. And this is something that

1775
01:28:16,040 --> 01:28:19,960
Speaker 4: we might not say after week eighteen, but after week ten,

1776
01:28:21,320 --> 01:28:24,360
Speaker 4: if and again, it's a year where Joe Burrow got

1777
01:28:24,439 --> 01:28:26,680
Speaker 4: her playing behind an offensive line. It's a year where

1778
01:28:26,680 --> 01:28:28,960
Speaker 4: they've lost six out of seven games to put themselves

1779
01:28:29,200 --> 01:28:32,040
Speaker 4: in a three and six hole. But along with Joe

1780
01:28:32,040 --> 01:28:36,000
Speaker 4: Flacco being a great story and playing, you know, in

1781
01:28:36,040 --> 01:28:39,080
Speaker 4: some respects the best ball of his career, and on

1782
01:28:39,160 --> 01:28:43,480
Speaker 4: top of the accomplishments of the two main wide receivers,

1783
01:28:44,360 --> 01:28:46,519
Speaker 4: one thing that has happened over the last couple of

1784
01:28:46,520 --> 01:28:51,240
Speaker 4: weeks is the offensive line has demonstrated a pretty good

1785
01:28:51,400 --> 01:28:56,680
Speaker 4: level of competence of proficiency. And there's three rookies on

1786
01:28:56,720 --> 01:29:00,920
Speaker 4: that unit right now. You have to feel okay about that.

1787
01:29:01,000 --> 01:29:03,040
Speaker 4: You have to feel okay at least about the current

1788
01:29:03,080 --> 01:29:06,720
Speaker 4: trajectory of that unit. And if we do by the

1789
01:29:06,800 --> 01:29:10,080
Speaker 4: end of the season, and if that continues through the

1790
01:29:10,120 --> 01:29:15,640
Speaker 4: rest of the year, then maybe it makes slightly easier

1791
01:29:16,320 --> 01:29:20,800
Speaker 4: the already significant undertaking they have on their hands with

1792
01:29:20,960 --> 01:29:26,840
Speaker 4: their historically bad defense. Excuse me, thirteen minutes after five

1793
01:29:26,880 --> 01:29:29,920
Speaker 4: o'clock that Joe Burrow question. Dana Or and I talked

1794
01:29:29,920 --> 01:29:31,639
Speaker 4: about it in the first hour of the show. Look,

1795
01:29:32,920 --> 01:29:37,439
Speaker 4: if the Bengals are mathematically alive I think we would

1796
01:29:37,439 --> 01:29:41,000
Speaker 4: all expect Joe Burrow to play. The Bengals will be

1797
01:29:41,120 --> 01:29:45,679
Speaker 4: mathematically alive on Thanksgiving Night, regardless of what happens against

1798
01:29:45,720 --> 01:29:49,160
Speaker 4: Pittsburgh and regardless of what happens against New England. And

1799
01:29:49,200 --> 01:29:51,880
Speaker 4: so we're gonna expect Joe Burrow to play on Thanksgiving

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01:29:51,960 --> 01:29:54,479
Speaker 4: Night if he wants to, and if he physically is

1801
01:29:54,560 --> 01:29:57,320
Speaker 4: where he wants to be and where I believe he

1802
01:29:57,400 --> 01:30:01,680
Speaker 4: thinks he will be. I don't expect them to put

1803
01:30:01,720 --> 01:30:03,760
Speaker 4: them on the shelf at three and six or three

1804
01:30:03,800 --> 01:30:07,480
Speaker 4: and eight. I do think the conversation would be fascinating

1805
01:30:08,479 --> 01:30:13,240
Speaker 4: if they got to a point where mathematically it's not possible,

1806
01:30:14,560 --> 01:30:17,360
Speaker 4: like it sounds neat right, Like you want guys, Paul

1807
01:30:17,360 --> 01:30:19,000
Speaker 4: and I were talking about this too in the first hour.

1808
01:30:19,080 --> 01:30:22,000
Speaker 4: You want guys who set a certain tone. You want

1809
01:30:22,000 --> 01:30:24,040
Speaker 4: guys who want to play. You want guys who want

1810
01:30:24,040 --> 01:30:26,360
Speaker 4: to lead by example, And the best way to do

1811
01:30:26,400 --> 01:30:29,000
Speaker 4: that is by going out and playing. No matter what.

1812
01:30:30,080 --> 01:30:34,760
Speaker 4: That sounds great as the cart is driving him off

1813
01:30:34,760 --> 01:30:41,000
Speaker 4: the field in a game that means nothing, is anybody

1814
01:30:41,080 --> 01:30:45,120
Speaker 4: gonna want to hear? Yeah, But they want to send

1815
01:30:45,120 --> 01:30:47,760
Speaker 4: a message that they're not gonna quit and they want

1816
01:30:47,760 --> 01:30:50,599
Speaker 4: their franchise to be around. You know what, you try

1817
01:30:50,640 --> 01:30:53,400
Speaker 4: to win no matter what the players play, no matter what.

1818
01:30:54,200 --> 01:30:57,960
Speaker 4: I hope we're not there. I mean, ideally the Bengals

1819
01:30:57,960 --> 01:31:00,479
Speaker 4: going to run. I don't know how that happens with

1820
01:31:00,520 --> 01:31:03,840
Speaker 4: the current composition of the defense. I do think they're

1821
01:31:03,840 --> 01:31:07,880
Speaker 4: gonna beat the Steelers on Sunday. But if we're there again,

1822
01:31:08,040 --> 01:31:11,080
Speaker 4: like in no game last year where the Bengals mathematically eliminated,

1823
01:31:11,120 --> 01:31:13,920
Speaker 4: they played seventeen games where they at least had a

1824
01:31:14,000 --> 01:31:15,800
Speaker 4: chance when they took the field of making the postseason.

1825
01:31:16,600 --> 01:31:20,800
Speaker 4: As long as there's a chance, as microscopic as it

1826
01:31:20,840 --> 01:31:24,559
Speaker 4: may be, go put them out there in the absence

1827
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Speaker 4: of that mathematical elimination. The number one objective is to

1828
01:31:30,479 --> 01:31:34,280
Speaker 4: protect the investment. The way to protect the investment is

1829
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Speaker 4: you put a ball cap in a headset on them

1830
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Speaker 4: in games that don't count. Sixteen after five o'clock. Can

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Speaker 4: the Reds rebrand? Yes this winter? That plus Sean sayat

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Speaker 4: As we look ahead to Saturday, Cincinnati versus Arizona and

1872
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Speaker 4: our guy Sean Sayad, I want to talk with him

1873
01:34:00,840 --> 01:34:06,000
Speaker 4: about the Steelers, who look, there is the Steelers brand

1874
01:34:06,880 --> 01:34:09,600
Speaker 4: and then there's how they have played this year and

1875
01:34:09,720 --> 01:34:12,920
Speaker 4: granted they have fewer problems than the Bengals do. But

1876
01:34:13,000 --> 01:34:15,919
Speaker 4: the Steelers have problems. Hey, one of them is their defense,

1877
01:34:16,800 --> 01:34:19,400
Speaker 4: which we saw Joe Flacco kind of expose a few

1878
01:34:19,400 --> 01:34:22,679
Speaker 4: weeks ago on Thursday Night Football. Can it continue on Sunday?

1879
01:34:23,160 --> 01:34:26,240
Speaker 4: Sean's going to talk about that with us in just

1880
01:34:26,320 --> 01:34:30,840
Speaker 4: a bit. A Jeff Passon of ESPN dot com has

1881
01:34:31,040 --> 01:34:36,479
Speaker 4: listed the perfect offseason moves for twenty one different teams.

1882
01:34:38,240 --> 01:34:42,040
Speaker 4: For the Cincinnati Reds, he has the perfect off season

1883
01:34:42,200 --> 01:34:47,760
Speaker 4: move being signed free agent DH Kyle Schwarber. I'll read

1884
01:34:47,760 --> 01:34:49,920
Speaker 4: what he wrote here. I'll give away the man's content.

1885
01:34:50,000 --> 01:34:52,960
Speaker 4: I shouldn't do that, but I will, he writes. Currently,

1886
01:34:53,040 --> 01:34:54,800
Speaker 4: the Reds are carrying or project a payroll of around

1887
01:34:54,800 --> 01:34:57,320
Speaker 4: seventy five million dollars. They have run year end payrolls

1888
01:34:57,360 --> 01:34:59,160
Speaker 4: as high as one hundred and thirty five million. Even

1889
01:34:59,200 --> 01:35:02,639
Speaker 4: if Cincinnati, as indicated it doesn't plan to increase payroll

1890
01:35:02,720 --> 01:35:05,639
Speaker 4: much over one hundred and sixteen million this year, there

1891
01:35:05,800 --> 01:35:08,640
Speaker 4: is room for a big swing. And the fact that

1892
01:35:08,680 --> 01:35:11,240
Speaker 4: the Reds have a glaring need for offense, and that

1893
01:35:11,320 --> 01:35:13,360
Speaker 4: the best available free agent hitter grew up in the

1894
01:35:13,360 --> 01:35:16,280
Speaker 4: outskirts of the city is screaming for the Reds to

1895
01:35:16,280 --> 01:35:18,920
Speaker 4: throw caution to the win and supercharge a team with

1896
01:35:19,040 --> 01:35:24,240
Speaker 4: plenty of potential to contend. Will they Probably not? It's

1897
01:35:24,280 --> 01:35:27,960
Speaker 4: the Reds, but it's too obvious not to try to

1898
01:35:28,000 --> 01:35:31,479
Speaker 4: speak it in new existence sign free agent Kyle Schwarber.

1899
01:35:31,760 --> 01:35:35,360
Speaker 4: So the key there is probably not want to change

1900
01:35:35,360 --> 01:35:38,960
Speaker 4: our brand, make it? Probably. I do think it's going

1901
01:35:39,000 --> 01:35:40,680
Speaker 4: to be interesting to see what the market is for him,

1902
01:35:40,720 --> 01:35:42,080
Speaker 4: because I think there are gonna be a lot of

1903
01:35:42,160 --> 01:35:45,200
Speaker 4: teams and the potential lockout could have something to say

1904
01:35:45,240 --> 01:35:49,719
Speaker 4: about this. I wonder how many teams will go pass

1905
01:35:49,800 --> 01:35:52,880
Speaker 4: on his asking price because of his age thirty two

1906
01:35:53,000 --> 01:35:58,160
Speaker 4: right now, and so maybe that depresses the market. I

1907
01:35:58,200 --> 01:36:00,400
Speaker 4: know the mere mention of this will make will go.

1908
01:36:00,880 --> 01:36:03,320
Speaker 4: Reds aren't going to do this. Jeff does that in

1909
01:36:03,400 --> 01:36:07,880
Speaker 4: his own piece. Here's my question, and it hasn't been

1910
01:36:07,920 --> 01:36:15,360
Speaker 4: answered yet. If not Kyle Schwarber, then who is it now?

1911
01:36:16,040 --> 01:36:18,679
Speaker 4: Many are going to suggest, well, trade Hunter Green. Charlie

1912
01:36:18,680 --> 01:36:23,040
Speaker 4: Goldsmith's newsletter, which is a must writing from the GM meetings,

1913
01:36:23,360 --> 01:36:26,519
Speaker 4: writes about the fact that that talk is overblown and

1914
01:36:26,520 --> 01:36:29,639
Speaker 4: even Terry Francona to a degree is from cold water

1915
01:36:30,200 --> 01:36:32,439
Speaker 4: over the suggestion that they move on from a Hunter

1916
01:36:32,520 --> 01:36:35,240
Speaker 4: Green and look, I get it, the dude pitched poorly

1917
01:36:35,280 --> 01:36:39,559
Speaker 4: in the postseason. He is always hurt. They do have

1918
01:36:40,360 --> 01:36:44,000
Speaker 4: a nice collection of starting pitchers. I think it's absurd

1919
01:36:44,040 --> 01:36:48,000
Speaker 4: to suggest they have this dramatic surplus. Can never have enough, right,

1920
01:36:49,880 --> 01:36:52,640
Speaker 4: So you don't want to trade from the surplus or

1921
01:36:53,880 --> 01:36:56,920
Speaker 4: collection of starting pitchers, but you don't want to pay

1922
01:36:56,920 --> 01:37:01,200
Speaker 4: for Kyle Schwarber. Cool, then what who do you got

1923
01:37:01,240 --> 01:37:03,720
Speaker 4: next year that you go, you know what, that guy

1924
01:37:03,760 --> 01:37:05,920
Speaker 4: can hit thirty five bombs for us, which, by the way,

1925
01:37:05,960 --> 01:37:08,920
Speaker 4: if Kyle Schwarber hit thirty five bombs, that would be

1926
01:37:08,960 --> 01:37:12,280
Speaker 4: twenty one fewer than he hit this past season. So

1927
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Speaker 4: like it's easy to snicker, I snickers, it's easy to

1928
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Speaker 4: go it's the Reds. They're not gonna do that. Until

1929
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Speaker 4: they do do something like that, you assume they won't.

1930
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Speaker 4: But if we're not going to advance the conversation about

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Speaker 4: why they actually should go after Kyle Schwarber because we

1932
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Speaker 4: know they won't, then tell me who they should. Who's

1933
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Speaker 4: the best cheaper alternative to Kyle Schwarber. I've asked that

1934
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Speaker 4: question a lot, and I've gotten some answers. None of

1935
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Speaker 4: them really moved the meter for me. Twenty nine minutes

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Speaker 4: after five o'clock. We thank the folks at Oakley Greens

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1943
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1944
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1946
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1948
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Speaker 9: This report is Taylor versus Tumlin. In the Steel City.

1952
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Speaker 9: The Bengals look to toss the Steelers into the recycling bin.

1953
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Speaker 9: There's a lot I can say about Pittsburgh, but none

1954
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Speaker 9: of it can be selling a radio. The Bengals slug

1955
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Speaker 9: it out with the Steelers. Sunday coverage begins at nine am.

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Speaker 9: Cincinnati Bengals.

1959
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Speaker 4: We're at Oakley Greens and a great place to watch

1960
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Speaker 4: the game tonight's you see in Dayton or the game

1961
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Speaker 4: tonight Kentucky and Louisville, or the Bengals game on Sunday

1962
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1963
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Speaker 4: You could watch UC in Arizona at noon on Saturday

1964
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Speaker 4: see if the Bearcats can bounce back after losing to

1965
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Speaker 4: Utah last week. Speaking of which, Scott Saderfield talked with

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Speaker 4: the media today for the first time since that lost

1967
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Speaker 4: to the Utes. Cincinnati and Arizona at home. Here is

1968
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Speaker 4: the head coach talking about the Bearcats coming off the

1969
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Speaker 4: bye week.

1970
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Speaker 11: I thought we had a great boile week.

1971
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Speaker 15: I mean, the big thing about last week was, you know,

1972
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Speaker 15: really a reset for us and recover mentally and physically.

1973
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Speaker 11: And I thought our guys did that.

1974
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Speaker 15: We you know, we cut back on practice last week

1975
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Speaker 15: and allowed them some time to heal up and then

1976
01:39:57,920 --> 01:39:59,840
Speaker 15: and also at the same time worked on some lot

1977
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Speaker 15: of young guys and let them play.

1978
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Speaker 11: And I thought we had a great time with that.

1979
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Speaker 11: That was fun.

1980
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Speaker 15: And so it's a good week, all the while knowing

1981
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Speaker 15: that we had Arizona coming up and and then obviously

1982
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Speaker 15: breaking them down, then had an opportunity to watch them

1983
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Speaker 15: play Saturday and and get ready for this team, a

1984
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Speaker 15: really good football team. Coach Brent has done a great

1985
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Speaker 15: job there this year. I think obviously a couple of

1986
01:40:20,640 --> 01:40:24,760
Speaker 15: things stand out by them. But I think, first off, defensively,

1987
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Speaker 15: new defensive cordator this year, and they've done it. They've

1988
01:40:26,920 --> 01:40:31,120
Speaker 15: done an outstanding job, you know, mixing up fronts, coverages.

1989
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Speaker 15: The guys are playing hard, they're playing physical, creating a

1990
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Speaker 15: lot of turnovers.

1991
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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 15: I think when I first front turned on the film,

1993
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Speaker 15: that was probably one thing that stood out. And everybody

1994
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Speaker 15: talks about Fafeeded he's a great quarterback, has done it.

1995
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Speaker 15: I think he started thirty one game, so he's done

1996
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Speaker 15: it for a long period of time. And incredible player.

1997
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Speaker 15: Puts pressure on the defense, you know, some really good

1998
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Speaker 15: wide outs, good running game, as well. I think maybe

1999
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Speaker 15: the running game gets overshadowed by by the passing game.

2000
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Speaker 15: But I mean they finished the game offgainst Kansas by

2001
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Speaker 15: running the football in the last drive.

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Speaker 11: So a really good football team.

2003
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Speaker 15: We're excited about, you know, the opportunity that you're sitting

2004
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Speaker 15: here playing in the middle of November, you know, tied

2005
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Speaker 15: for first place in the Big twelve, and and so

2006
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Speaker 15: we're excited about that opportunity because all our goals are

2007
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Speaker 15: still sit in front of us. You know, obviously, got

2008
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Speaker 15: to have a great week of practice this week, and

2009
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Speaker 15: our preparation will determine how we go out and play

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Speaker 15: on Saturday.

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Speaker 4: It's an interesting Arizona team that if you look at

2012
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Speaker 4: them statistically, there are not a ton of weaknesses. Nearly

2013
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Speaker 4: beat BYU. Sitting at six and three, they've won two games.

2014
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Speaker 4: Scott side of Field was aske today that the Wildcats

2015
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Speaker 4: are underrated.

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Speaker 15: Absolutely they sit they really I mean, I know people

2017
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Speaker 15: say this, but they easily can see be here at

2018
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Speaker 15: eight to one right now. I mean they're up ten

2019
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Speaker 15: against BYU with four minutes to go in the game,

2020
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Speaker 15: and had that game won quite honestly, as I mean,

2021
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Speaker 15: not obviously by you did a great job pulling it out.

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Speaker 15: But if one little thing goes, Arizona's winning that game.

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Speaker 15: And then also I thought they played great again Houston.

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Speaker 15: You know, Houston ends up, you know, kicking a last

2025
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Speaker 15: second field goal to beat him, you know. So you

2026
01:42:05,640 --> 01:42:07,519
Speaker 15: can't get any tighter or closer than that. And to

2027
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Speaker 15: sitting there being eight and one right now. The only

2028
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Speaker 15: game that they really wasn't in was the Iowa State game,

2029
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Speaker 15: you know, and that was an incredible crowd at Iowa

2030
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Speaker 15: State white Out. I mean, it was an unbelievable atmosphere

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Speaker 15: for Iowa State. So yeah, I think they are underrated

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Speaker 15: at six and three. I mean I got hen they

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Speaker 15: got an outstanding football team. They got they have team speed,

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Speaker 15: they can run, they're physical, they have good plans in

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Speaker 15: all three phases, you know.

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Speaker 11: So that's the recipe for success.

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Speaker 4: Now. One of the themes that we have talked a lot

2038
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Speaker 4: about really all season long, and frankly to a degree

2039
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Speaker 4: last year, is how Joe Royer seems to disappear from

2040
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Speaker 4: this offense. And I'm not sure I put a lot

2041
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Speaker 4: of that on Joe Royer, NFL caliber tight end, a

2042
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Speaker 4: dude that a lot of like draft observers say could

2043
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Speaker 4: go in the first two days of the NFL Draft,

2044
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Speaker 4: and yet one catch last week, one catch the week before.

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Speaker 4: It certainly seems it's like for a quarterback that, especially

2046
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Speaker 4: against Utah, could have used some high, high percentage completions.

2047
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Speaker 4: Joe Royer is supposed to give you an opportunity for

2048
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Speaker 4: high percentage completions, and yet it was kind of absent

2049
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Speaker 4: from the offense against the Utes. And so here is

2050
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Speaker 4: Scott Saddlefield asking a question about getting the ball to

2051
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Speaker 4: Joe Royer.

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Speaker 15: There's been times this year where we've tried to, you know,

2053
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Speaker 15: call Joe's number, and you're looking at their two dudes

2054
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Speaker 15: on him.

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Speaker 11: You know, it's hard to get the ball to him.

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Speaker 15: I think the other side of that is, like you mentioned,

2057
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Speaker 15: I mean, we do have some guys on the outside

2058
01:43:28,720 --> 01:43:30,240
Speaker 15: that we feel like can win, and they have made

2059
01:43:30,280 --> 01:43:33,400
Speaker 15: good plays for us this year and spreading the ball out.

2060
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Speaker 15: If you look, if you look at our you know,

2061
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Speaker 15: distribution of the balls to the to the White House.

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Speaker 11: I mean, it's pretty even.

2063
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Speaker 15: I mean, you know, and then you get you put

2064
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Speaker 15: Joe in there, you put some running backs in there,

2065
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Speaker 15: and you obviously want to run the football so I

2066
01:43:45,520 --> 01:43:47,680
Speaker 15: feel like our balance as far as that has been

2067
01:43:47,720 --> 01:43:49,880
Speaker 15: really good this year because you don't, you know, you're

2068
01:43:49,880 --> 01:43:52,240
Speaker 15: not necessarily can just to try to defend one guy.

2069
01:43:52,479 --> 01:43:54,080
Speaker 15: You try to fend this one guy, then we're gonna

2070
01:43:54,080 --> 01:43:55,439
Speaker 15: beat you with some other guys. And I think that's

2071
01:43:55,439 --> 01:43:58,160
Speaker 15: probably the product is why he didn't have as much production.

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Speaker 4: There you go a Scott Sadifield earlier today. By the way,

2073
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Speaker 4: the Scott Saderfield Radio Show, which is typically on Tuesday nights,

2074
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Speaker 4: moves to tomorrow because of the UC basketball game Cincinnati

2075
01:44:09,560 --> 01:44:12,320
Speaker 4: taking on Dayton. When do we come back? Our guy

2076
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Speaker 4: Sean Saya the Stats and Scheme newsletter on the Bengals,

2077
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Speaker 4: the Steelers, and the Ravens. Next on ESPN fifteen.

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Speaker 6: Thirty Cincinnati's ESPN fifteen thirty Traffic.

2079
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2080
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Speaker 8: You'll find more options and clinical trials for pancreatic cancer

2081
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Speaker 8: care at the UC Cancer Center. Get a second opinion

2082
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Speaker 8: Fast call five one three five eighty five UCCCE on

2083
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Speaker 8: northbound seventy five.

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Speaker 11: After Norwood Lateral.

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Speaker 8: There's an accident also on southbound seventy five after Paddock

2086
01:44:43,960 --> 01:44:46,599
Speaker 8: wrote an accident off on the right shoulder. Police are

2087
01:44:46,600 --> 01:44:50,400
Speaker 8: there on scene in Eastbound two seventy five, a grass

2088
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Speaker 8: fire on the entrance ramp from Princeton Pike. I'm at

2089
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Speaker 8: ezelic with traffic.

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Speaker 6: This report is sponsored Batty's ESPN fifteen thirty.

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Speaker 4: It's Tuesday. By the way, we're at Oakley Greens. It's Tuesday,

2092
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Speaker 4: which means we talk with our guys. Sean Sayad. Sean

2093
01:45:07,520 --> 01:45:10,080
Speaker 4: is one of the authors, along with Ted Smith, of

2094
01:45:10,160 --> 01:45:13,439
Speaker 4: the Stats and Scheme newsletter. He's with sumer sports dot com.

2095
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Speaker 4: He's here to make us smarter. He's at least here

2096
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Speaker 4: to answer my same questions about the Bengals who did

2097
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Speaker 4: not lose this weekend. Sean, what's going on?

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Speaker 16: Well, it was a great week to not have a

2099
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Speaker 16: loss on the schedule. I didn't have to go through

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Speaker 16: any Bengals film today.

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Speaker 5: You know, of course you over review some things to

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Speaker 5: looking ahead to the next week, but next to be

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Speaker 5: able to watch another.

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Speaker 4: People this week, it was it was very relaxing. It

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Speaker 4: was very stress free. Before we do schematic stuff, weigh

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Speaker 4: in on the big topic of conversation here, which is

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Speaker 4: Joe Burrow is back practicing and he's ramping up. I

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Speaker 4: think they want to have him out there on Thanksgiving

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Speaker 4: Night against Baltimore, which makes a lot of sense, and

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Speaker 4: maybe the Bengals win the next two games and at

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Speaker 4: that point it's game on. There are many folks who

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Speaker 4: feel like that is not likely. If the Bengals are

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Speaker 4: playing for nothing, would you have Joe Burrow out there?

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Speaker 5: This is a tough one, right because playing for nothing

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Speaker 5: is also I think a little subjective. Of course, it's

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Speaker 5: like playing for nothing in terms of the playoffs. Like

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Speaker 5: that I think does become kind of clear at the

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Speaker 5: end of the season. I think when you have the

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Speaker 5: most competitive players across the world playing this sport, like

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Speaker 5: I think a guy like Jamar Chase and you hear

2121
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Speaker 5: from Justin Jefferson last year, playing through injuries like these

2122
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Speaker 5: guys when.

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Speaker 16: They retire, these numbers do matter to them, like they the.

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Speaker 5: Cumulative effect of all these seasons, all this consistency does matter.

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Speaker 5: At the same time, it is a coaches and a

2126
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Speaker 5: like a higher level of a team's job to protect

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Speaker 5: a player from themselves. I think there can be some

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Speaker 5: positive I feel like on this stuff, I lean pretty

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Speaker 5: conservative because Burrow is your franchise guy. I do think

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Speaker 5: there is value though still in you know, just you're

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Speaker 5: getting game reps like you're you're moving things in the

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Speaker 5: right direction overall. So would I like to be having

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Speaker 5: him play late in the fourth quarter of games that

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Speaker 5: you know.

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Speaker 16: You're up by two scores.

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Speaker 5: Probably not, But I wanted to be super mad at

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Speaker 5: him coming back even if the team is sort of

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Speaker 5: just out of everything, because I mean, we've talked earlier

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Speaker 5: this season about you know, Jamar Chase, he gets a

2140
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Speaker 5: little bit anxious kind of in the offense.

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Speaker 16: So you want to just feel, Okay, we are still

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Speaker 16: moving in the.

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Speaker 5: Right direction, like we still need to be an attractive

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Speaker 5: play for people to come play next year.

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Speaker 4: There's something to me. And look, I'm all for protecting

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Speaker 4: the investment, but we've talked a lot. You and I

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Speaker 4: have talked a lot about meshing how Joe Burrow wants

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Speaker 4: to play with what they've done with Joe Flacco running

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Speaker 4: the football and him playing under center. At the very least,

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Speaker 4: is there is there a school of thought that says,

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Speaker 4: even if he doesn't play every snap of every quote

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Speaker 4: meaningless game, that it makes sense for him to get

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Speaker 4: used to running the offense differently in games that are

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Speaker 4: actual games and not preseason games. If that ultimately is

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Speaker 4: what they decide to do.

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Speaker 5: So I'm not sure how much you want to just

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Speaker 5: like get Joe like take the Joe Burrow out Joe

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Speaker 5: Burrow right, like their situations for Flaccos so far this

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Speaker 5: year where that ball is coming out real quick.

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Speaker 16: It makes the offensive line a lot of their life

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Speaker 16: a lot.

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Speaker 5: Ye, would you know maybe like to see a little

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Speaker 5: bit of those kind of quick throws from Burrow overall

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Speaker 5: as well?

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Speaker 16: And yes, as you mentioned you you mentioned some of

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Speaker 16: that run game.

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Speaker 5: Success with him as well, So yes, I absolutely think

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Speaker 5: there's value in I mean, every offensive play caller and

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Speaker 5: quarterbacks are constantly learning from each other with every single

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Speaker 5: play call, with every single game. So I do or

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Speaker 5: I think about it leftl as like, Okay, well you

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Speaker 5: need to put Joe Burrow inside of the Joe Blackow

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Speaker 5: offense because there are times when it's just hey, you

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Speaker 5: don't throw the ball to that really good receiver outside

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Speaker 5: and it's working for Flaco and it does also for Burrow.

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Speaker 16: So I do like the idea of hey, we're gonna

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Speaker 16: like get into.

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Speaker 5: D snaps where we still need to like build a

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Speaker 5: more consistent offense where you're able to have things where

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Speaker 5: the past game can be married to the run game

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Speaker 5: in different ways and affect defenses that way.

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Speaker 4: Let's talk about the Steelers, who the Bengals play on Sunday.

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Speaker 4: They haven't been good, and they were very good offensively

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Speaker 4: against the Bengals. They did win that game against Indianapolis,

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Speaker 4: they were the opposite of good. I think in nearly

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Speaker 4: every phase against the Chargers the other night start with

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Speaker 4: their defense. So's that's what you think of first when

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Speaker 4: you think of the Steelers. They've remade the secondary, they

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Speaker 4: had Jalen Ramsey playing safety the other night, and yet

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Speaker 4: it doesn't feel like a Steelers defense. Why is that?

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Speaker 5: I mean, I think there is still just too much

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Speaker 5: of an elements overall where I.

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Speaker 16: Guess sometimes it is a Steelers defense.

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Speaker 5: Although I will say yes, with the adjustments on the

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Speaker 5: back and they have changed things up just a little

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Speaker 5: bit more. But I think offenses understand, hey, we can

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Speaker 5: run away from TJ.

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Speaker 4: Watts.

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Speaker 5: He's going to be in a static alignment sort of

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Speaker 5: over and over again. And you know, when the offensive

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Speaker 5: side of the ball is at flat, it really puts

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Speaker 5: the defense in sort of tough situations over and over.

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Speaker 5: So I just feel like over the years, like when

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Speaker 5: I watch Okay, this is a different team still, this.

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Speaker 16: Is what looks different or this is what the what

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Speaker 16: the team is trying.

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Speaker 5: You have seen it a little bit from the Steelers

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Speaker 5: over the last two weeks, but eventually injuries, just attrition overall,

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Speaker 5: some struggles on the outside, like those things just catch

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Speaker 5: up to you in a league that it's just shifting

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Speaker 5: too fast. And it feels like, even with the Steelers

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Speaker 5: still finding ways to win games, it feels like.

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Speaker 16: It's kind of shifting past this team a little bit.

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Speaker 4: Sean Side is with us, by the way. You follow

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Speaker 4: him on x at Science Schemes, one of the authors

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Speaker 4: of these stats and scheme newsletter available now at sumer

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Speaker 4: sports dot com. I think the the immediate takeaway that

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Speaker 4: a lot of folks had from watching Pittsburgh on Sunday is, well,

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Speaker 4: Aaron Rodgers just looks really, really old. Is that the

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Speaker 4: explanation for some of their offensive lowes or does it

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Speaker 4: go into scheme addicts?

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Speaker 5: You know, yeah, I think it's I guess could be

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Speaker 5: tied a little bit together. I'm not sure it's just

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Speaker 5: because he's old, but this offense at this point in

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Speaker 5: time is a quick time to throw offense.

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Speaker 16: It's a low average depth of target offense.

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Speaker 5: So the quarterback does not want to hang out there

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Speaker 5: very very long. He wants to get the ball out quick.

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Speaker 5: He wants to throw it short. That is something that

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Speaker 5: defenses no going into this like this game over and

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Speaker 5: over again, and yeah, I guess it's at Bengals. Of course,

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Speaker 5: on that and that Thursday night game, you get a

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Speaker 5: bunch of those downfill passes. But on the even this

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Speaker 5: is not an explosive offense. And then when you get

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Speaker 5: Rogerstone to intercept against the Chargers just at through times

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Speaker 5: like that, that is a really real struggle.

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Speaker 16: So this offense is.

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Speaker 5: Kind of stuck in neutral, if not reverse at a

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Speaker 5: lot of times. It feels like even when hey, you've

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Speaker 5: got a bunch of high ends and you try and

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Speaker 5: get heavy on the field, but it feels like as

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Speaker 5: long as you're you know, forcing in to keep on

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Speaker 5: throwing to a short quick passes, or you're able to

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Speaker 5: sit on one, maybe you can kind of steal one

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Speaker 5: and take it the other way. It's mean, I said

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Speaker 5: the last time they played. It's just not an offense

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Speaker 5: that strikes fear in my heart now. Of course, yes,

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Speaker 5: he score a bunch of points against the Banals defense,

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Speaker 5: but I mean, I'm hoping that this is a good

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Speaker 5: chance for them to be able to come back from

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Speaker 5: that game.

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Speaker 4: We started the conversation by talking about Joe Burrow. He

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Speaker 4: is targeting the things giving day game, the first one

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Speaker 4: against Baltimore. They played them twice within a couple of weeks.

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Speaker 4: The Ravens have gone from one in five to four

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Speaker 4: and five and their defensive transformation has been stark. Better

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Speaker 4: health is obviously a reason, but why are the Ravens

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Speaker 4: suddenly good on defense?

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Speaker 5: Biggest reason is you're seeing Kyle Almilton not in that

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Speaker 5: safety role playing all the way back. He is playing

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Speaker 5: in that nickel spot pretty much like a linebacker. Right

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Speaker 5: at the line of scrimmage. You will literally see him walk.

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Speaker 16: Up as if he is a defensive end.

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Speaker 5: And that is really really helping them in terms of

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Speaker 5: the run game because he's beating guys that is supposed

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Speaker 5: to be blocking him. And I think that bringing in

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Speaker 5: a Loie Gillman, who is the safety of played with

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Speaker 5: the Chargers before in a similar system that the Ravens use,

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Speaker 5: you're just able to really take advantage of a weapon.

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Speaker 5: So I really enjoy seeing that from Baltimore. They have to,

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Speaker 5: I think be the favorite to win that division. I

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Speaker 5: think they probably should have been for like two three

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Speaker 5: weeks just seeing.

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Speaker 16: Kind of how things were going.

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Speaker 5: And then, of course, you know on offense you get

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Speaker 5: you still have Lamar Jackson.

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Speaker 4: There. Let's talk about the stats and scheme newsletter shows

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Speaker 4: up in my inbox multiple times per week. I get

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Speaker 5: The advanced game boxes where it's broken down by every

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Speaker 5: single thing that I think, like a head coach could

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Speaker 5: really use, whether it's how would this offense do against

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Speaker 5: this defense? And zone coverage, how do they do it

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Speaker 5: against them? And coverage all these specific sort of actionable

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Speaker 5: similarly like if you did not watch any of the

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Speaker 5: other games, I think you could look at this and

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Speaker 5: feel like you learned something about all the massets of

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Speaker 4: All right, let's talk about sumer brain as well, I

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Speaker 4: wanted to punch in there on Sunday. How does a

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Speaker 4: team at home get eight fall starts penalties? Beyond that,

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Speaker 4: what can you ask sumer Brain at summer sports dot com.

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Speaker 5: Well, well, I'm not sure you can ask about all

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Speaker 5: those operational issues, but you can track over the last

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Speaker 5: two years, for example, what's the team that had the

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Speaker 5: most fall starts in an individual game. So we have

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Speaker 5: all of our data pumped in there. We just want

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Speaker 5: you to be able to type in how you would

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Speaker 5: speak in English and your question and kind of be

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Speaker 13: So do we have data for every single data point

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Speaker 13: on Earth?

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Speaker 5: No, but if it helped me save a lot of time,

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Speaker 5: you type in a right, well, how do the Bengals

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Speaker 5: do in the first game against.

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Speaker 16: The Steelers on third downs?

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Speaker 5: You're able to just type it in, pull it up

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Speaker 5: real quick, save yourself some time.

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Speaker 16: Don't subscribe to a bunch of services, get some better

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Speaker 16: and so going forward.

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Speaker 4: It is a terrific resource, so is Sean sayed, We'll

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Speaker 4: talk to you next week. Man, thanks so much, thanks

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Speaker 4: so much.

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Speaker 5: I appreciate it.

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Speaker 12: All.

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Speaker 4: Right, there you go. That's our guy, Sean sayad subscribe

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