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Speaker 1: Hey, very delightful, good evening, and welcome in to the

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Speaker 1: Watchbar down to the banks with Jim Day. I'm Tommy Throw.

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Speaker 1: Great to be with you. A lot to get to today.

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Speaker 1: We have the President of Baseball Operations, Nick Crawl, with

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Speaker 1: us in house today live to talk all things Reds

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Speaker 1: baseball in this offseason. We'll get to him in a moment. Jim,

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Speaker 1: the Red's making a little bit of news yesterday, kind

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Speaker 1: of some paperwork moves adding guys the forty man roster

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Speaker 2: It didn't seem like no Hector Rodriguez Arroyo, and you

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Speaker 2: be interested in. I imagine the Balcazar who established himself

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Speaker 2: tough decisions always year in and year out, because you

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Speaker 2: don't want to someone to just swoop in and take

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Speaker 2: But no surprise whatever that those guys were added to

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Speaker 2: of that was Carson Spiers was designated for as sign right.

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Speaker 1: We'll talk to Nick about that, because you've got to

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Speaker 1: Edwin Royo, this is a guy that I feel like

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Speaker 1: Reds President of Baseball Operations, Nick Crawl. Nick, thanks so

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Speaker 1: much for taking some time to sit with us and

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Speaker 1: talk Reds baseball for a little while. Thanks for how's

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Speaker 1: the off season been going. I know you just came

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Speaker 3: It's just trying to get as much information as you can.

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Speaker 3: We met with every club that was there. We talked

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Speaker 1: You know, there's players that you obviously have a relationship with.

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Speaker 1: Do you do you ever negotiate with a player because

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Speaker 3: I don't feel comfortable doing that. You have an agent

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Speaker 2: This process, once free agency opens and the GM beatings,

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean at the trade deadline, a lot of

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Speaker 2: I know, you were always working within a budget. Everyone

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Speaker 3: Here, we'll be right around those same amount we had

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Speaker 1: With that being said, do you imagine that the ways

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Speaker 2: I know, obviously you we'd love to add a power

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Speaker 1: Who wouldn't.

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Speaker 1: week three of the Hot Stove season. We are visiting

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Speaker 1: one of the big marquee names, a guy like Hunter Green.

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Speaker 3: So you know, we've we've definitely gotten better overall in

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Speaker 1: Nick, really appreciate the time. Thanks so much. Could ask

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Speaker 1: Bar at the Banks. Big Things. Again to Nick Krawl

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Speaker 2: Is the wrong word. Right, you want to trade from

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Speaker 2: So I don't want to say surplus. You never have enough.

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Speaker 2: I do believe you never have enough pitcher.

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Speaker 1: There's one hundred percent.

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Speaker 2: Especially nowadays. But it's a position of strength. So where

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Speaker 1: Right now? It's starting pitching. And are you truly robbing

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Speaker 1: But are you addressing it to an extent With the

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Speaker 1: promotion of a guy like Sal Stewart to the big leagues.

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Speaker 1: Does that is that going to be enough?

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Speaker 2: Well with an answer, I mean we're in many times,

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Speaker 2: especially in the offseason, you're in the land of hope, right,

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Speaker 2: they hope that happens.

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Speaker 1: Of course.

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Speaker 2: He's I mean even asked when he first came up here, Hey,

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Speaker 2: what position you play? I play the batter's box, was

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Speaker 2: his answer. I never thought he was going to be

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Speaker 2: a third baseman long term. I know he played it

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Speaker 2: coming up, I just didn't see that happening. First base

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Speaker 2: is a different story. I'm not willing to write him

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Speaker 2: off that he's just going to be a d H

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Speaker 2: from now on. He does need to get into a

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Speaker 2: little bit better shape. We're talking about moving to first

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Speaker 2: base in the middle of a big league season having

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Speaker 2: never done it.

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Speaker 1: So let's at least.

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Speaker 2: Give him the chance to get his footwork down, to

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Speaker 2: get in better condition and learn the position. Because if

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Speaker 2: he is just a DH, you better have a roster

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Speaker 2: that's set up for that. They have Gavin Lux coming

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Speaker 2: back where you're gonna play him on the days Tyler

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Speaker 2: Stevenson didn't catch he was DH. Austin Hayes DHD A bunch.

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Speaker 2: Someone's gonna get hurt they're going to need the dh

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Speaker 2: SO to just slot him in as a dh I'm

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Speaker 2: not willing to do that yet.

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Speaker 1: No, he's twenty one years old. You don't want a

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Speaker 1: twenty one year old dah. You don't want to develop

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Speaker 1: guys as a dh SO.

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Speaker 2: But he's gonna have to play first are you gonna play?

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Speaker 2: You have to make concessions.

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Speaker 1: He was a major liability in third He did not

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Speaker 1: play second base very well. It really just leaves first

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Speaker 1: base now. If he gets in better shape, and from

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Speaker 1: what I've heard, he's been working in the offseason to

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Speaker 1: get in better shape, and you hope that that also

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Speaker 1: means he's gonna be a little more agile, and if

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Speaker 1: that's the case, Look, Spencer Steer worked really hard to

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Speaker 1: become a good first baseman. He was, he was a

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Speaker 1: Gold Glove finalist at first base. That that didn't happen overnight.

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Speaker 1: He put in the work to do enough.

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Speaker 2: I love Spencer Steers not at all. You're just trying

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Speaker 1: But we've also seen him be a more than serviceable

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Speaker 1: outfielder and left field too, So I don't think that's

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Speaker 1: the end of the world. Moving him to left field.

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Speaker 1: The reason I bring up Spencer Steer is the Reds

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Speaker 1: help develop him into a very good first baseman. If

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Speaker 1: they can do the same with Sal Stewart, that I

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Speaker 1: think that really opens up the luxury that you have

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Speaker 1: to maybe go out and acquire a bat where you're

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Speaker 1: not as reliant on that bat being as flexible. Does

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Speaker 1: that make sense because from a defensive standpoint, because right now,

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Speaker 1: the way this team set up, you can't just go

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Speaker 1: get a bat and expect him the DH. There's not

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Speaker 1: enough DH slots in the lineup. We don't bat ten datters.

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Speaker 1: So you got to figure out a way to make

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Speaker 1: room for somebody. And if that means a guy likes

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Speaker 1: Al Stewart getting better defensively at first base, it certainly

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Speaker 1: creates that opportunity.

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Speaker 2: Listen, I think there's there should be some competition on

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Speaker 2: this team. I'm not willing to sit here and just

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Speaker 2: say second base is filled right now. That's a down

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Speaker 2: year there. Yeah, and we're talking about a young guy

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Speaker 2: who has man has some promising talent. We've seen it.

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Speaker 2: But where's that going?

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Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 2: Where's that going? Are we just gonna pencil that in?

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Speaker 2: Are we gonna have some competition? And light a fire

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Speaker 2: on some under some guys. I think there should be

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Speaker 2: some competition.

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Speaker 1: Well, you talk about competition lighting a fire under a guy,

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Speaker 1: I would say it worked out pretty well for a

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Speaker 2: He handled diversity more than I mean a few times

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Speaker 2: and some of it was self inflicted, which he just overcame,

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Speaker 2: so that he is a glaring example of yes, it

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Speaker 1: All the voting has done, all the fan voting has

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Speaker 1: done online. Certainly some good candidates we talked about a

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Speaker 1: couple last week. We mentioned Brandon Phillips, Homer Bailey certainly

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Speaker 1: figures to be a guy that could be a favorite there.

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Speaker 1: One guy that we didn't spend a whole lot of

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Speaker 1: time talking about last week is Francisco Cordero. Completely undersold him.

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Speaker 2: Honestly, he's pretty good chance. Second in Red's history in saves.

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Speaker 1: One hundred and fifty of them in a Red use.

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Speaker 2: Danny Graves is number one in the Reds Hall of Fame.

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Speaker 2: Second in career saves with the Reds.

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Speaker 1: Pretty good is his career era two hundred and eighty

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Speaker 1: three games in Reds uniform, two point nine to six

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Speaker 1: ERA out of the Reds bullpen. Not bad there either,

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Speaker 1: I mean when he was a Red.

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Speaker 2: Member of a Division champion team. He had forty saves

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Speaker 2: that year.

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Speaker 1: Led the Reds and saves four different years from two

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Speaker 1: thousand and eight to twenty eleven. Had as many as

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Speaker 1: forty saves in twenty ten, that's the fourth most in

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Speaker 1: a single season in team history. I mean, this is

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Speaker 1: a guy that certainly deserves a strong consideration.

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Speaker 2: I mean, oh, he'll eventually get int your second a

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Speaker 2: major category. Granted they back in the day, his position category,

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Speaker 2: no doubt, it's what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: Eventually, it's gonna happen. So he is. You can argue

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Speaker 1: he's one of the best Reds closers of all time.

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Speaker 1: Well second Red's history, fifty of them. So yeah, he

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Speaker 1: was top five of the National League and saves a

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Speaker 1: few times as well, Actually more than a few, I

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Speaker 1: don't know. Yeah, you gotta give that guy a strong consideration.

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Speaker 1: An All Star in two thousand and nine and that

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Speaker 1: year he had the forty saves. He was a closer

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Speaker 1: on a National League Central Division championship Reds team in

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Speaker 1: twenty ten, So Francisco Francisco Cordero certainly deserves strong consideration.

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Speaker 1: While you do your voting, out there. Who's somebody else

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Speaker 1: that kind of stands out to you on this list

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Speaker 1: that you think maybe.

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Speaker 2: They should deserve a longer look. Well, the Roland one

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Speaker 2: is tough for me just because it was he was

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Speaker 2: here such a short amount of time. But he fits

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Speaker 2: the criteria he does of the Reds Hall of Fame

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Speaker 2: and Museum, and he was You can break down the

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Speaker 2: numbers all you want, the accolades and the gold gloves

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Speaker 2: he was. If someone said, all who was the heart

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Speaker 2: and soul of that team, the one that went through

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Speaker 2: the playoffs in twenty ten, twelve, all that.

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Speaker 1: Group, it's Roland.

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Speaker 2: When he came in here, he changed the culture. Well,

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Speaker 2: I mean, so it goes a lot more than the

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Speaker 2: stats with him, But I don't know if the voting

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Speaker 2: will take that into account. So he's an interesting case

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Speaker 2: for me.

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Speaker 1: You'd be a perfect person to ask, because you know,

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Speaker 1: you look at those teams. They were good teams you

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Speaker 1: just look at look at the Rosters, but they couldn't

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Speaker 1: get over the hump until Scott Rowland got there. So

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Speaker 1: I ask you this, do you do you genuinely believe

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Speaker 1: the Reds would have ever got over the hump and

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Speaker 1: won those two division titles in twenty ten and twenty twelve.

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Speaker 1: If Scott Roland didn't come over.

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Speaker 2: It's hard for me to say that it wouldn't have happened.

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Speaker 2: In twenty twelve. They had five good starters that made

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Speaker 2: every start outside of a doubleheader, which someone had to

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Speaker 2: come up and make that one start, and they were good.

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Speaker 2: They were good. That was a really good rotation. So

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Speaker 2: I can't say, you know that they wouldn't have But man,

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Speaker 2: did he really he was the He was the exclamation point.

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Speaker 1: He was kind of the final piece of the puzzle. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's it's tough to say. I when you

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Speaker 1: look at a guy and his value to a particular team,

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Speaker 1: if you guys were more valuable to their team than

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Speaker 1: what Scott Roland meant to those Red.

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Speaker 2: Seas and he's I mean, he's he's going down as

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Speaker 2: a cardinal, right, So that's where I think people were

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Speaker 2: probably cringing out there. That's probably the cringe. I'll say it.

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Speaker 2: That's probably the cri for rolling. He's known as a cardinal. Okay,

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Speaker 2: he played in the Reds on the back end, albeit

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Speaker 2: successfully on the back end of his career and winning

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Speaker 2: as a cardinal you know, as a as a Reds fan,

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Speaker 2: can you stomach putting a player in the Reds Hall

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Speaker 2: of Fame?

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Speaker 1: That is in the Cardinals Hall of Fame and that

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Speaker 1: is in the Major League Baseball lines the Elephant.

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Speaker 2: That's tough.

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Speaker 1: and again the organization seems very reluctant to move him

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Speaker 1: off shortstop. I will say this about that, if he

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Speaker 1: continues to make errors at the rate that he has

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Speaker 1: the last two seasons, you gotta consider it. And even

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Speaker 1: if it, if it gets to a point where he's

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Speaker 1: making X number of errors by June first, then you

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Speaker 1: kind of tell him you put the ball in his court. Hey, look,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna give you another chance to play short but

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Speaker 1: Because I'm still convinced and until I'm proven otherwise, that

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Speaker 1: he would make an elite center fielder ague in Major

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Speaker 1: League Baseball.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's been my point for years. I mean I've

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Speaker 2: been on record for several years. This is before all

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Speaker 2: the airs happened that in center field. And this is

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Speaker 2: just my opinion for someone that watches thousands of baseball games.

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00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:21,480
Speaker 2: For it seems like a thousand years now and probably

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00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:26,080
Speaker 2: a thousand years for the people that are listening. He

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00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:29,120
Speaker 2: can be a good shortstop. I believe he can be a.

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00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:30,360
Speaker 1: Great center fielder.

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Speaker 2: He can be serviceable at shortstop, make great plays, and

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00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:36,600
Speaker 2: be a difference maker when he's turn into his arm

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00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:39,960
Speaker 2: as a difference maker. But he can be a difference

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00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:44,600
Speaker 2: maker in centerfield, like like completely take over the game

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00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:47,360
Speaker 2: like difference makers. So where I was going with that,

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00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:50,200
Speaker 2: he's going to be a good for where you put him,

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00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:54,760
Speaker 2: he will be better. And he talked about hurt way

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00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:57,280
Speaker 2: more than we let on. He would not go in

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00:32:57,320 --> 00:32:59,200
Speaker 2: the training room, he would not tell people that he

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00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:02,680
Speaker 2: was hurt. He didn't want to discuss it. And there

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00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:05,000
Speaker 2: are certain things that we know behind the scenes that

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Speaker 2: we don't talk about either. He had a partially torn

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00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:11,440
Speaker 2: quad that we didn't talk about. That's tough to play through.

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Speaker 2: That's tough to play shortstop when you're especially when you're

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00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:17,240
Speaker 2: starting and stopping. So I'm gonna give him a little

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00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:19,920
Speaker 2: break on that. But I do think they need to

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Speaker 2: keep him healthy and they need to keep him fresh.

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Speaker 2: I think that if he's going to be to shortstop,

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Speaker 2: you've got to find a way to keep him fresh.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, And I'm not trying to say that he can't

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00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:33,880
Speaker 1: be a good major league shortstop. I want to believe

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Speaker 1: that he can because I think he can be a

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00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:38,720
Speaker 1: game changer short But he's got to prove that he

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00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:40,040
Speaker 1: can clean up the air. I mean some of the

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Speaker 1: airs he made down the stretch for costly airs.

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Speaker 2: Well, there were routine plays. That's that's the frustrating part.

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00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:48,440
Speaker 2: He'll make those spectacular play, but then the routine ones

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00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:51,080
Speaker 2: get away from him. And I didn't play the game

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00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:53,080
Speaker 2: at that level, but those that did say that that's

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00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:56,479
Speaker 2: a lapse in concentration when that happens. It's not a

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00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:59,520
Speaker 2: physical thing with him, although I will say he is

690
00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:02,800
Speaker 2: the king bad bounce. He got some bad bounces. You

691
00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:05,000
Speaker 2: can talk about all you want. There are bad bounces

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00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:08,279
Speaker 2: that happen that stadium, across the street. It happens all

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00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:12,000
Speaker 2: the time, some stadiums more than others. So I'm willing

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Speaker 2: to give a pass on all that. He's still a

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00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:17,839
Speaker 2: young player, but I think it affected his entire game.

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00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:20,439
Speaker 2: Last year, we saw his production at the plate go down.

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Speaker 2: If that continues, then it is a problem.

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Speaker 1: Albe Martine moved to the outfield and the bat came

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Speaker 1: around like that. So I'm just.

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Speaker 2: Saying, now, those guys are buds too.

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Speaker 1: If you need a way to sell them. Some of

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Speaker 1: the greatest players that have ever played the game were centerfielders,

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Speaker 1: so I don't know. That's all the time we have

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