Speaker 1: To start right out of the gates. Former head of
Speaker 1: political science at Wright State University. She is professor of Merida.
Speaker 1: She's a Cincinnati kid. She published the first textbook on
Speaker 1: terrorism some years ago. And back with Sterling on seven
Speaker 1: hundred WLW Doctor Dona Schleg How are you? How are
Speaker 1: how was everything?
Speaker 2: Good evening? Looking forward to an interesting week, big anniversary
Speaker 2: tomorrow at jan sixth.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, and of course the.
Speaker 2: Foreign policy picture just keeps getting more and more interesting.
Speaker 1: That it does. You know, we spoke a few days
Speaker 1: ago and we were talking about the FBI quashing what
Speaker 1: looked to be an ISIS sympathizer or ISIS member looking
Speaker 1: to do harm stateside, which was fantastic news. The local
Speaker 1: state and the federal authorities were able to put the
Speaker 1: hammer down on them. And over the last couple of
Speaker 1: weeks we talked about increasing naval presence in the part
Speaker 1: of the world around, say the Caribbean, and those gunboats
Speaker 1: or or drug boats or fishing boats whatever vessels they
Speaker 1: happened to be being taken out of the water fairly regularly.
Speaker 1: And the talk had been and we had discussed this
Speaker 1: regime change and how it had gone historically for the
Speaker 1: US and oil being big part of that, and President
Speaker 1: Trump of course after actually it was Friday night after
Speaker 1: we spoke that all of the stuff that went down,
Speaker 1: which was snatching Maduro, president former of Venezuela, illegitimate as
Speaker 1: he may have been, and his first lady. They've whisked
Speaker 1: them back to New York. They faced criminal charges here domestically.
Speaker 1: How surprised were you and how that went down over
Speaker 1: the weekend?
Speaker 2: Surprised? And I think that was clearly you know, the
Speaker 2: element of surprise was one of the objectives in the administration.
Speaker 2: It's important to think of what happened though, is just
Speaker 2: very first step in regime change. The leadership is to
Speaker 2: capitate him, but all of his people are still running
Speaker 2: the operation in Venezuela, the military, the economy, etc. So
Speaker 2: we are in that strange position right now of having
Speaker 2: to sit and watch. They've sworn in an interim president,
Speaker 2: as you probably know, Maduro's longtime vice president, but technically
Speaker 2: in their own constitution they're required to have an election
Speaker 2: here within thirty days. So imagine imagine the options that
Speaker 2: they are sorting through in Venezuela right now. The United
Speaker 2: States is basically standing on their neck in terms of
Speaker 2: their economy. You know, oil, the oil picture is clearly
Speaker 2: very much at the heart of this. Will they hold
Speaker 2: an election, Will you know, the party who was denied
Speaker 2: taking office back in twenty four be allowed to run,
Speaker 2: you know, Will the people of Venezuela turn out in
Speaker 2: the streets. Well, I've been watching the media, and there
Speaker 2: have been a few smaller demonstrations, mostly in south southern Miami.
Speaker 2: But I think there's tremendous caution that there seems that
Speaker 2: they're holding their breath about these next steps, and it
Speaker 2: is surprisingly turning into a region why at operation. Not
Speaker 2: only is this meant to choke off a lot of
Speaker 2: aid to Cuba and perhaps force a regime change there,
Speaker 2: but you know, the Colombians are sending troops to their border.
Speaker 2: President Trump has been speaking about the president of Colombia
Speaker 2: as being also one of the bad guys. And suddenly
Speaker 2: American foreign policy has turned all of its eyes on,
Speaker 2: you know, on Latin America. Latin America and Africa were
Speaker 2: always two of the most neglected parts in our foreign policy.
Speaker 2: So for it to you know, this this sudden turn,
Speaker 2: the movement of so many assets to the Caribbean, as
Speaker 2: you mentioned it was an operation certainly on the scale
Speaker 2: of what happened in twenty eleven to take out to
Speaker 2: truct to arrest or. He was killed in the operation
Speaker 2: Osama bin Laden. He died in the operation and buried
Speaker 2: at sea. But the element of surprise was clearly very important.
Speaker 2: What ultimately triggered it seems to have been Maduro's rather
Speaker 2: rude rejection of what President Trump considered very friendly terms
Speaker 2: for him to leave office. But right now we all
Speaker 2: have that question, as John Lennon said in his great
Speaker 2: song about you say you want a revolution, show us
Speaker 2: the plan, you know, how will we engage her? President
Speaker 2: Trump seems to have deferred, you know, a lot of
Speaker 2: the responsibility in the oil sector to the oil companies
Speaker 2: once they have access again to try to rebuild the
Speaker 2: infrastructure that has been allowed to deteriorate very badly since
Speaker 2: it was nationalized by the Venezuelan government. Chevron is in
Speaker 2: a really great spot because they stayed in Venezuela. Exxon
Speaker 2: got out, I think Kanaco bailed out as well. We
Speaker 2: took some real verbal blows at the Security Council today
Speaker 2: by the Chinese and the Russians. The Chinese, of course,
Speaker 2: by most of Venezuela's oil as well. So this is
Speaker 2: broad based, but the plan for how Venezuelans, under a
Speaker 2: lot of outside pressure, are going to transform their regime
Speaker 2: to comply with President Trump's demand. We are beginning a
Speaker 2: very interesting couple of weeks here in this transition. Be
Speaker 2: watching to see if they call for an election. I
Speaker 2: think the smart bet would be if the military can
Speaker 2: get on the side of an election and a new government,
Speaker 2: maybe a national unity government, we may all be spared
Speaker 2: the prospect of American boots on the ground.
Speaker 1: Doctor don Ascheles, let me introduce your reintroduce your real
Speaker 1: quick and I want to touch a couple of things
Speaker 1: because I know your rolling and bringing out great info.
Speaker 1: It's doctor Donald schleg former head of political science now
Speaker 1: Professor Meredith from Wright State, was sterling on the big one.
Speaker 1: You mentioned the oil companies and one still being there
Speaker 1: and actively engaged. However, you know, deteriorated a lot of
Speaker 1: their infrastructure, limiting the you know, their ability to get
Speaker 1: a lot of that oil out. And of course the
Speaker 1: embargo in US now clamping down on where those oil
Speaker 1: you know, vessels can maybe go to. That Obviously, many
Speaker 1: of our effective enemies are in fact Hungary for and
Speaker 1: have made deals for clamping down on this part of
Speaker 1: the world and tightening up those type of things. Isn't
Speaker 1: that probably in the best interest of this nation and
Speaker 1: our national security down the line, since we've talked about
Speaker 1: this other multi level game of chess between the Chinese
Speaker 1: US here in the United States and you know, looking
Speaker 1: at what Russia has has been doing also, or is
Speaker 1: that stretching it a bit?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 2: I don't think it's stretching it. I think the concern
Speaker 2: was over the the constant growing Chinese involvement in the Caribbean.
Speaker 2: Certainly that you know, you've heard the many stories about
Speaker 2: their investments in Africa in infrastructure. So part of this
Speaker 2: was to squeeze out I think put pressure on the
Speaker 2: Chinese major naval demonstration in the Caribbean. H where else
Speaker 2: involving the Chinese might we need to be prepared for
Speaker 2: a major naval action. The Chinese just finished a series
Speaker 2: of very aggressive training missions around Taiwan, basically to demonstrate
Speaker 2: how they could absolutely completely choke it off. So it
Speaker 2: is what is the next step in I think you're right,
Speaker 2: it is clearly it's the great power game. This is
Speaker 2: US and China, I think in a proxy conflict in
Speaker 2: the Caribbean where we play to strength, But that Taiwan
Speaker 2: issue keeps nagging at me for us not to take
Speaker 2: our eye off that one either.
Speaker 1: Are we in a position to really stretch out and
Speaker 1: go much beyond where we are now with our military
Speaker 1: forces if in fact China wanted to get froggy and
Speaker 1: more aggressive than just doing maneuvers in and around Taiwan,
Speaker 1: which is really a stone's throw from mainland China.
Speaker 2: Oh, and there is a great question. A lot of
Speaker 2: the forces that were redirected into the Caribbean came from
Speaker 2: Europe and the Middle East. So no, I don't think
Speaker 2: we've robbed Peter to pay Paul in terms of our
Speaker 2: Pacific presence, particularly with an eye toward Taiwan. And you
Speaker 2: know that the Chinese are basically saying, it's our sphere
Speaker 2: of influence, just like we are now claiming Monroe doctrine,
Speaker 2: if you will. This is South America is our sphere
Speaker 2: of influence. Do you know what that competition has led
Speaker 2: to historically, just sort of in general Great power war, Yeah, exactly,
Speaker 2: boot lots of boots on the ground.
Speaker 1: As we look at this and a lot of the
Speaker 1: questions that come up is, you know, should we be
Speaker 1: in the business of snatching other elected leaders, however questionable
Speaker 1: or doubtful or frankly obviously illegitimate they are and acting
Speaker 1: in this fashion. I mean, where is the line on that?
Speaker 1: I mean, I just got into an interesting conversation with
Speaker 1: a buddy of mine I've known for a long time,
Speaker 1: and he's like, well, it's against the law, and doctor
Speaker 1: schlike I simply said, if you have a bigger hammer,
Speaker 1: then it doesn't really matter effectively who says what the
Speaker 1: law is, because we are above and beyond that at
Speaker 1: this point. Is that irritating to a lot of people perhaps,
Speaker 1: But isn't that closer too accurate?
Speaker 2: I think it's accurate. I think talking the law enforcement
Speaker 2: story of arresting him and prosecuting him, as we've recently
Speaker 2: done with the former president of Hondur. In fact, it's
Speaker 2: the same federal prosecutor who drew up the charges in
Speaker 2: both cases. Interestingly enough, but in terms of international law,
Speaker 2: international law is basically what we call self enforcing. It
Speaker 2: gets enforced if people abide by it, and if you
Speaker 2: break it. The only way to enforce it typically would
Speaker 2: be either with economic or with military force. That is
Speaker 2: why traditionally great power conflicts over resources end up the
Speaker 2: in war. It's quite a demonstration. And I would also
Speaker 2: say we might be thinking about the stories we're not
Speaker 2: talking about right now. Tomorrow's January sixth, that's the five
Speaker 2: year anniverse. We have another major budget crisis coming up
Speaker 2: here at the end of the month, which will be here,
Speaker 2: you know, basically in the blink of an eye.
Speaker 1: That's been for seemingly years now almost and of.
Speaker 2: Course the nagging Epstein questions, So talk about comletely changing
Speaker 2: the story, you know, completely moving our attention. Uh, it's
Speaker 2: a it's a it's a remarkable demonstration of capacity. But
Speaker 2: the type of planning that went into this operation Sterling,
Speaker 2: we don't have the means to control what happens from
Speaker 2: this point out, particularly in Venezuela. You know, we we
Speaker 2: have talked about taking our oil back, taking our oil
Speaker 2: facilities back, and that that that hits probably the biggest
Speaker 2: nerve in terms of nationalism, national pride, and national sovereignty
Speaker 2: that you could you know, ask any person in any
Speaker 2: country about how you feel about an outside force intruding
Speaker 2: in your affairs.
Speaker 1: Is the bottom line go ahead of bottom line is what?
Speaker 2: Well that that bottom line question? Will the public support this?
Speaker 2: I'm really reminded of Colin Powell who used to say,
Speaker 2: you know, you go into pottery barn, you break it,
Speaker 2: you buy it. We may be if if this thing
Speaker 2: goes very very badly, we have to consider we've bought
Speaker 2: the whole picture.
Speaker 1: Well, what does that really mean? Because we left Afghanistan.
Speaker 1: I mean, we're just going to do what we do
Speaker 1: and the bottom line is if we get the oil flowing,
Speaker 1: that's all that really matters, right, I mean, strategically speaking,
Speaker 1: And Colombia is going to be scared in Mexico to
Speaker 1: a certain extent, probably somewhat unnerved. Cuba certainly has been.
Speaker 1: I mean you can see it almost from South Florida,
Speaker 1: So I mean, how far off are we from really
Speaker 1: just seeing these dominoes fall a little bit more, because
Speaker 1: I don't know how it could come back to really
Speaker 1: hurt us anyway. We've tightened up the border, we're kicking
Speaker 1: people out of the country. We could effectively, rightly or wrongly,
Speaker 1: We're acting in some ways, some would argue elsewhere, and
Speaker 1: I've had the conversation that we're no different than Russia
Speaker 1: with Ukraine or some of these others, but we put
Speaker 1: our face on it and describe it differently. And the
Speaker 1: only reason we didn't do more and haven't done more
Speaker 1: with Russia is because they've got the nuclear threat, correct.
Speaker 2: Ah, that nuclear threat. And of course we're not talking
Speaker 2: about Ukraine Russia either at this point. Are we the
Speaker 2: idea in Iraq in two thousand and three that Iraqi
Speaker 2: oil would pay for complete reconstruction? Do you remember that one?
Speaker 1: I heard it?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I remember, I remember that one. And now we
Speaker 2: talk about the thousands of American servicemen and women who
Speaker 2: were injured or died in that war, and Iraq is
Speaker 2: still one of those barely holding it together states, you know,
Speaker 2: trying to put the pieces back together, and it's not
Speaker 2: going particularly well. Their oil production has not been returning either.
Speaker 2: Your point about putting the oil industry back together, getting
Speaker 2: the economy up and going, that should be the most
Speaker 2: compelling argument for the people in Venezuela today to make
Speaker 2: a decision to work with the United States, call for
Speaker 2: an election, respect their constitution, respect the consequences of that election,
Speaker 2: and then the oil companies will have a chance to
Speaker 2: probably renegotiate their terms, get that economy back up on
Speaker 2: its feet. Venezuela used to sell a lot of oil.
Speaker 2: Its productions has fallen massively, which is why the country
Speaker 2: is such a disaster in terms of hyperinflation, violence, crime.
Speaker 2: A quarter of the people have fled that country, A
Speaker 2: quarter of their citizens have left the situation. It has
Speaker 2: deteriorated so badly. So a rebuilding of the industry is
Speaker 2: what clearly has to happen. This may be the point,
Speaker 2: but the onus you talked about the multi level chess game.
Speaker 2: What are the powers that be that run the economy
Speaker 2: and the military in Venezuela. They have a choice right now.
Speaker 2: They've been talking, you know, a lot of bully conversation,
Speaker 2: but there are no negotiations going on right now. I
Speaker 2: guarantee you to step this thing down, particularly for Chevron
Speaker 2: to be right at the front of the line, you know,
Speaker 2: to resurrect and to repair its economy, and perhaps perhaps
Speaker 2: maybe one of the inadvertent positive outcomes will be for
Speaker 2: the Venezuelans to get a legitimate, dually elected government which
Speaker 2: would be in a position to do something about the
Speaker 2: narcotics trafficking, the corruption there in the government with the
Speaker 2: cartel's Mexico, you mentioned several other states. It's widespread in
Speaker 2: the hemisphere, and those are two enormously petroleum wealthy countries,
Speaker 2: and yet the cartels are so powerful. So we're taking
Speaker 2: a risk trying to force a change right now.
Speaker 1: We only have about a minute left. And I'm curious
Speaker 1: about this as you sort of look at it, because
Speaker 1: there are two, if not three, twenty five I think,
Speaker 1: or close to thirty million dollars bounties on the heads
Speaker 1: of those in the military that were high up, that
Speaker 1: were Maduro's sort of enforcers in some fashion, and they
Speaker 1: were left behind. So do we push for them to
Speaker 1: go away, pay them off to go away? Will they
Speaker 1: be whisked back to the United States, Because as long
Speaker 1: as they're there, a lot of the dirtiness hasn't gone anywhere,
Speaker 1: regardless of how true or not true, Maduro's corruption in
Speaker 1: fact proves to be.
Speaker 2: Completely agree. If they're smart, they will be negotiating their
Speaker 2: exit strategies right now to try to get in front
Speaker 2: of what's going to be a series of tremendous changes
Speaker 2: in Venezuela, hopefully not brutal and violent, and a lot
Speaker 2: of chaos. It could be a positive turning point for
Speaker 2: the country, but those are going to be the decisions
Speaker 2: which will drive what will fall to us next.
Speaker 3: Thank you am.
Speaker 2: Running the country of Venezuela.
Speaker 1: Concerns, Yeah, big time concerns SJ six anniversary tomorrow, which
Speaker 1: a lot of people don't want to talk about. It's
Speaker 1: so far in the distance memory. And if things had
Speaker 1: gone differently legally before this last election, then of course
Speaker 1: this conversation would be another scenario too. So these are
Speaker 1: strange days. Former had a political science now Professor Emeredith
Speaker 1: from Wright State University, Cincinnati. Kid doctor Donashlake, thank you
Speaker 1: for making time. I appreciate you being here on a Monday, Sterling.
Speaker 2: Thanks Sterling, talk to you.
Speaker 1: Take care of yourself and coming up, we got Gary
Speaker 1: Jeff Walker joining me next seven hundred WW is our
Speaker 1: Gary Jeff Walker? Is he surfing Venezuela? Is he taking
Speaker 1: a trip south trying to fulfill an obligation to step
Speaker 1: in if necessary, to control the Venezuelan nation and to
Speaker 1: get that oil pumping and to get things safe and
Speaker 1: under control. Know who the hell knows? I don't know.
Speaker 1: He text merely said, Sterling, you're on then I said yes.
Speaker 1: He says, can I be on with you? I said yes,
Speaker 1: He said, I want to talk Venezuela. I many of
Speaker 1: all things to talk about. Sure, Gary, Jeff, are you awake?
Speaker 1: Are you alive? Or you half in the bag? What
Speaker 1: the hell is going on?
Speaker 3: Shirling?
Speaker 4: I am here, and I am clear eyed, and I
Speaker 4: am fine. I'm showing in the footsteps of Bill Cunningham, who,
Speaker 4: of course appeared on his own show when I was
Speaker 4: hosting on December twenty second, because Willie just can't stay
Speaker 4: off the radio. And apparently I am cut from the
Speaker 4: same mold.
Speaker 1: Yeah, by the way, you got a nice jib cut.
Speaker 3: Thank you. I didn't know you'd noticed.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, I'm here to help.
Speaker 4: I'm glad I was wearing a low cut T shirt
Speaker 4: tonight so you could. First and foremost, I have heard
Speaker 4: a rumor that the Bengals are working with the Cleveland
Speaker 4: Browns to trade Zach Taylor for Kevin Stefanski, a real
Speaker 4: coach who won Coach of the Year two times. Secondly, secondly, yes,
Speaker 4: you know. In eighteen twenty three, a US president named
Speaker 4: James Monroe established Monroe Doctrine, which basically said, in our
Speaker 4: hemisphere that European powers weren't allowed to colonize.
Speaker 3: Or interfere in the Western Hemisphere.
Speaker 4: Because this was our backyard and we were going to
Speaker 4: protect that at at no cost to us.
Speaker 3: Just you better stay out. And two hundred and.
Speaker 4: Two years later, President Trump has established the Monroe doctrine,
Speaker 4: the Donro doctrine in the case of Venezuela and the
Speaker 4: extraction of Maduro is a win win, win, win, win
Speaker 4: win win. Not just the United States, but it's a
Speaker 4: win for the Venezuelan people. It's a win for anyone
Speaker 4: who appreciates and believes in freedom and fair elections. Maduro,
Speaker 4: of course, famously did not allow the opposition.
Speaker 3: Candidate, Maria.
Speaker 4: Gosh With Mashadow, did not allow her to be on
Speaker 4: the ballot in twenty twenty three to oppose him because
Speaker 4: she received ninety two percent of the vote to oust
Speaker 4: him as president. In twenty twenty, the Justice Department indicted
Speaker 4: Maduro on narco terrorism charges, of which he was never
Speaker 4: brought to justice during the Biden administration, and Joe Biden
Speaker 4: famously put a twenty five million dollar bounty on Maduro's head.
Speaker 4: And now the Democrats, who all agreed with Joe Biden
Speaker 4: are saying that Trump's action in bringing him to justice
Speaker 4: was illegal. It's not about drugs, as so famously has
Speaker 4: been said by the Trump administration too. It's not about
Speaker 4: oil as many people think it's not.
Speaker 3: This is about China.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, and it's influenced in Latin America first and
Speaker 4: foremost and only. This is about keeping communists China out
Speaker 4: of Latin America. And that's why Chile and Colombia and
Speaker 4: these other countries, Cuba especially are quaking in their boots
Speaker 4: because the cutoff of Venezuelan cheap oil to those countries
Speaker 4: and the butting up to China that has been done
Speaker 4: with Brazil and Colombia and most famously Venezuela.
Speaker 3: Is now over.
Speaker 4: This is about keeping China out of the Western hemisphere.
Speaker 4: And that's really what it's all about. And nobody really
Speaker 4: has been saying this, sterling, and I will first the
Speaker 4: first thing I thought when this happened, I said, oh,
Speaker 4: this is about kicking China out of out of Latin America.
Speaker 4: You noticed one of the first things that President Trump
Speaker 4: did after he got into office was send Secretary of
Speaker 4: Saint Marco Rubio to Panama because we built the Canal
Speaker 4: and then President Carter receded the control of the Panama Canal,
Speaker 4: which we built to Panama back in whatever year it
Speaker 4: was that they took an instantly communist China started monopolizing
Speaker 4: the ports in and out of the Panama Canal, and
Speaker 4: Marco Rubio and President Trump and his administration moved to
Speaker 4: immediately once again in our backyard, kicked China out of
Speaker 4: the Panama Canal. And it's no stranger to me though.
Speaker 4: I was on the air Saturday morning when this news broke, Sterling,
Speaker 4: and I was doing my history notes for the day,
Speaker 4: and I said, January third, nineteen ninety, what did the
Speaker 4: US do? They finally got Noriega and brought him to justice.
Speaker 4: They extracted him on the same date, thirty six years
Speaker 4: later they're doing with Nicholas Maduro.
Speaker 3: It was his term, Nicholas Maduro.
Speaker 4: And this is a win win, win, win win, as
Speaker 4: I said, because once again, Venezuela is not the drug
Speaker 4: mule for Europe or the United States moving the cocaine
Speaker 4: through Colombia through Venezuela into Mexico and to the United
Speaker 4: States and to Europe.
Speaker 3: That's not happening.
Speaker 4: When President Trump closed the border almost instantly once taking office,
Speaker 4: after Joe Biden and the Democrats said, well, it has
Speaker 4: to be done with Congress.
Speaker 3: This is not an easy thing to do.
Speaker 4: It was easy as an executive order and a pen
Speaker 4: with President Trump, we have zero crossings, illegal crossings coming
Speaker 4: across our border, all right, and Venezuela and Maduro, as
Speaker 4: President Trump is rightly stated, we're releasing all of the
Speaker 4: prisoners out of their prisons and their mental institutions and
Speaker 4: sending them northward to the United States because of the
Speaker 4: open border policies of the last president Joe Biden.
Speaker 3: Secondly, the idea.
Speaker 4: That communists China, and again this is the big deal here,
Speaker 4: is that communists China is now unnoticed. They can talk
Speaker 4: about Iran and Cuba and all the other countries that
Speaker 4: were benefiting from the cheap oil that Venezuela stole from
Speaker 4: American oil companies who established their wills and built the
Speaker 4: infrastructure originally back in the nineteen twenties. This is returning
Speaker 4: the money that the communists Hugo Chavez first and then
Speaker 4: Nicholas Maduro stole from American oil companies. It's restoring oil
Speaker 4: and it is bringing cheaper oil prices to the United
Speaker 4: States and around the world.
Speaker 3: Let's hope they can still sell that oil to China.
Speaker 1: Well, now, I think the problem you go with that
Speaker 1: is to say, then does that mean that the oil
Speaker 1: pumped out of the United States ground is also the
Speaker 1: oil company's oil and not our oil? Because I mean,
Speaker 1: and just to be devil's advocate, because their argument has been,
Speaker 1: for how long once you do this thing and help
Speaker 1: get their business up, do you get to just keep
Speaker 1: sucking it out of the ground and taking it that
Speaker 1: That's what their argument has been.
Speaker 4: Well, the argument is fine, but no, that's not right.
Speaker 4: American oil companies actually are responsible for that oil being
Speaker 4: pumped out of Venezuela in the first place. So yes,
Speaker 4: they have a financial stake and a reason to claim
Speaker 4: the profits from that which we're stolen by Chavez and
Speaker 4: Maduro the communists. But the big thing here is that
Speaker 4: it puts China Jizingping and communists.
Speaker 3: China puts them.
Speaker 4: Unnoticed that they know no longer going to be able
Speaker 4: to buddy up in our own backyard and assert their influence.
Speaker 1: I hope that we are just as aggressive further down
Speaker 1: the line, and also in the parts of Africa where
Speaker 1: they have obviously been building lots of roads and a
Speaker 1: lot of other things, helping to sort of ease their
Speaker 1: way into those markets and help their infrastructure building sucking
Speaker 1: out some of those minerals and natural resources.
Speaker 4: The other way it's a win win win for Venezuela
Speaker 4: is because now the Venezuelan people will benefit from the
Speaker 4: oil the resources that.
Speaker 3: They have the largest.
Speaker 4: No, that that is exactly what's going to happen.
Speaker 3: We hope so Venezuela.
Speaker 1: Don't know what's going to happen. That's what they say.
Speaker 1: That's what we hope happens. But we don't know.
Speaker 4: We know what the past is. We know what the
Speaker 4: past is. Sirling, don't interrupt me. Eight million people, a
Speaker 4: quarter of the popcast left Venezuela because they were starving
Speaker 4: and eating.
Speaker 1: Their not dispiriting any of that. All I'm simply saying
Speaker 1: is until the oil is flowing, we don't know how
Speaker 1: that money is going to flow in that country period.
Speaker 1: You know that as well as.
Speaker 4: I We know it's going to flow to the average
Speaker 4: Venezuela and more than it has in the last twenty years.
Speaker 3: I hope we know that.
Speaker 1: I hope they hope it is the case. Also so
Speaker 1: do I.
Speaker 4: This is the first and foremost. Again I will state
Speaker 4: this is about keeping communist China out of our hemisphere.
Speaker 4: Jaslemen RhE doctrine. We have precedent for it, and it
Speaker 4: was totally legal to perform a police action with the military.
Speaker 1: Well, I think our lawmakers are still approval.
Speaker 3: We didn't.
Speaker 4: There is no there is nothing in the constitution that
Speaker 4: says the president cannot.
Speaker 3: Use military to perform certain acts that are not war.
Speaker 4: This is not war, and that's what the Constitution requires Congress.
Speaker 3: To be a part of.
Speaker 1: And that's any Respectfully, though, listen, man, I'm not disagreeing
Speaker 1: with the idea that this son of a bitch is
Speaker 1: good to be gone and good to be prosecuted in
Speaker 1: the United States, but the idea that Biden, why are
Speaker 1: you yelling at me all, I'm simply saying to you,
Speaker 1: stop yelling at me. What is wrong with you? I'm
Speaker 1: not disagreeing with you both, for God's sake, I'm trying
Speaker 1: to get a word in as edge wise, and what.
Speaker 3: I'm trying to tell you.
Speaker 1: Again, what I'm trying to say to you simply is this,
Speaker 1: we hope that all the things that have been said
Speaker 1: come to fruition. But we have had a horrible history
Speaker 1: of replacing or allowing a change ahead of a nation
Speaker 1: with our assistance, be it convertly or I'm not using
Speaker 1: anything in the Middle East, I'm not.
Speaker 3: I'm not. You're not.
Speaker 1: Where else have we done it successfully?
Speaker 3: This is not answer the question.
Speaker 1: I do say it. No one said that, you said it.
Speaker 1: I'm asking you where have we done it successfully yet? One?
Speaker 1: Name one?
Speaker 4: This is this in our in our hemisphere.
Speaker 1: Just name one country where we have our hemisphere anywhere,
Speaker 1: name of influence.
Speaker 3: I'm not talking about one anywhere. I'm not talking about
Speaker 3: the Middle East.
Speaker 1: You can't name a single one.
Speaker 3: This is not Vietnam. This is not a racket.
Speaker 2: I'm not.
Speaker 1: You've mentioned all of those. I said, name one single
Speaker 1: place where we have ousted someone and it has worked
Speaker 1: in our favor successfully in the next decade to two.
Speaker 1: Name one.
Speaker 3: President Trump is a unique dress.
Speaker 1: You can't answer it because you don't have an example.
Speaker 4: Because this is not the same thing as those other things.
Speaker 1: I never said anything about the other things you did.
Speaker 1: I said, you don't have any history talked about.
Speaker 4: Where have we done this successfully?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 4: And it's not about anything we've done before, because anything
Speaker 4: we've done before, we're on the other side.
Speaker 1: Of the I'm not disputing his location on Earth. You're
Speaker 1: still on it. You are unable listen. Man, I love
Speaker 1: you and I'm glad that this guy is gone. But
Speaker 1: you refuse to answer a question because there is no answer.
Speaker 1: We have never successfully taken someone out of office in
Speaker 1: a foreign land and put someone in there, either of
Speaker 1: theirs or hours, as a puppet, or otherwise successfully for
Speaker 1: any period of time. You can't name, you can't name.
Speaker 4: We have not installed a puppet in Venezuela. This is
Speaker 4: not about regime change. The regime is still in power
Speaker 4: in Venezuela, according to whom guess, the vice president of
Speaker 4: Venezuela is ready to who's now.
Speaker 1: Needs to be She needs to be ready because we'll
Speaker 1: give her too. But again, as much as I want
Speaker 1: this to work for their people, mostly for hours, but
Speaker 1: certainly for theirs, and I respect the idea of sovereignty,
Speaker 1: you mentioned all these other foreign lands where it's failed,
Speaker 1: I never once going to mention any of those as
Speaker 1: an example. I simply asked you, and if you have
Speaker 1: to hear it from anyone else, who's a supposed expert
Speaker 1: across the country or internationally, to name one single place
Speaker 1: where were you being engaged in anything like this, whereas we're.
Speaker 4: This isn't about this isn't about regime change or building
Speaker 4: a nation. This is about keeping China out of our hemisphere.
Speaker 3: I'm not disputing.
Speaker 1: But we're still but we are having a regime. But
Speaker 1: we still have to worry about a regime change.
Speaker 4: Because there you have to worry about communists China.
Speaker 3: And that's it.
Speaker 1: There still has to be there still has to be listen, man,
Speaker 1: there still has to be someone in place there to
Speaker 1: operate the country, just like any other nation state.
Speaker 3: Yes, and we will be in charge of.
Speaker 1: Right. So then we're talking regime change. We have never
Speaker 1: successfully done it.
Speaker 4: We're we're talking about changing the minds of the people
Speaker 4: who are already there in place.
Speaker 1: Well, I hope it works. I want it to work.
Speaker 3: I hope it's already working.
Speaker 4: The Vice president, two days in, you don't.
Speaker 1: Know if anything's working yet. It's two days I love you,
Speaker 1: but you're you don't. You can't say in any way
Speaker 1: at all, two days in that it's working already. You can't.
Speaker 3: It is working. It is working.
Speaker 1: Only because what didn't see, Well, I.
Speaker 3: Hope it is. I will.
Speaker 4: When the United States for the people of Venezuela. Did
Speaker 4: you see all of the people in Florida celebrating what
Speaker 4: just happened in Venezuela.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because they're in exile. I totally you know, there's.
Speaker 4: A chance for their country to actually have a democracy
Speaker 4: and maybe they can go back to their country.
Speaker 1: Speaking of that, Jay six, the anniversary tomorrow, how how
Speaker 1: do you celebrate that you're back here tomorrow night? What
Speaker 1: do you think about that and where we are now?
Speaker 4: I'm glad that you mentioned that, because tomorrow night on
Speaker 4: the show in the nine o'clock hour, retired Lieutenant Navy
Speaker 4: Commander Tom Caldwell, one of the J six dependents, will
Speaker 4: be with me, joining me.
Speaker 3: As Will as Will kim.
Speaker 4: Hale, who was incarcerated for almost four years for nothing
Speaker 4: that he did that they were charging him with. I'm
Speaker 4: excited about tomorrow night's show and I'm glad you brought
Speaker 4: it up.
Speaker 1: Thank you. I wanted to help you, I want to
Speaker 1: promote you. I like you, and I am interested in
Speaker 1: the anniversary. I still think it was a failed attempt
Speaker 1: at overtaking. It was not a tourist trip. I've been
Speaker 1: to DC, I've taken tours. Not once ever have I
Speaker 1: seen or been a party to anything like that. And
Speaker 1: if it had been Democrats doing that, we would have
Speaker 1: been absolutely over the wall going after them, talking about
Speaker 1: them being Unamerican, and tell me, wouldn't have.
Speaker 4: Done the illegal, unconstitutional things that the Biden DOJ and
Speaker 4: the FBI I did with the January sixth defendants.
Speaker 3: We never would have done that.
Speaker 4: That was a total usurption of the constitution.
Speaker 3: And of law.
Speaker 1: Grand juries and prosecutions and confessions and successful prosecutions all
Speaker 1: and then pardoning them is an inexcusable stain on on
Speaker 1: this nation. And I am supportive of this president.
Speaker 4: What was done to the true American patriots who were
Speaker 4: exercising their constitutional rights to assemble and address their grievances
Speaker 4: with a government that outs inside.
Speaker 1: The capital breaking stuff and threatening to kill people. That's
Speaker 1: the American.
Speaker 4: People who weren't even inside the capital Stirling that were
Speaker 4: incarcerated and persecuted and had their lives ruined for years
Speaker 4: by the Biden do OJ.
Speaker 1: That's a horrible thing. All I know is sons of
Speaker 1: bitious who've went in there going after lawmakers, Republican and
Speaker 1: Democrats alike, including the former Vice president, should have still
Speaker 1: been locked up, should have been convicted, and rightfully so,
Speaker 1: and the fact that they were pardon is inexcusable.
Speaker 4: And regardless of celebrating, I'm celebrating their freedom on this
Speaker 4: five year anniversary.
Speaker 3: God bless them.
Speaker 1: Merrick, We're all free to do that. Gary Jeff, have
Speaker 1: yourself a great night back here tomorrow night after lands
Speaker 1: at nine. Yes, yes, you are a good man. Take
Speaker 1: care of yourself, brother, you know, I'll see you later.
Speaker 1: He's Gary Jeff Walker. I'm sterling. This is seven hundred
Speaker 1: wulw SX. It's a Monday night. The regular season of
Speaker 1: the NFL is concluded, and there's no Monday Night football
Speaker 1: and the Bengals are done through until next season. And
Speaker 1: what will they do to get better? Ben Baby for me,
Speaker 1: ESPN haven't had him on in a while, was kind
Speaker 1: enough to take the call, said hey, I'll come on,
Speaker 1: why not, Ben Baby? How are you happy New Year?
Speaker 1: How's everything? And what's going on?
Speaker 5: Yeah? Well, well throwing you know, nothing whole lot going
Speaker 5: on this week except for Zach Taylor coming back, Duke
Speaker 5: Tobin coming back. We'll hear from Duke Tobin on Friday.
Speaker 5: So even though the Bengals aren't in the postseason, it's
Speaker 5: going to be a very eventful we on the banks
Speaker 5: at Paycor Stadium.
Speaker 1: There's no question how far away, because we saw this
Speaker 1: defense get better, but there are still, you know, a
Speaker 1: lot of hurdles to get over and changes in personnel
Speaker 1: and natural attrition and otherwise maybe going out and shopping
Speaker 1: and trying to get better. Talking to Ben Baby with
Speaker 1: ESPN Sterling in seven hundred WLW, how far off are they?
Speaker 1: How many pieces do you think they are away? The
Speaker 1: offense isn't complete. I'm not even going to mention the
Speaker 1: foot in Moneymack and how that went. It was like
Speaker 1: a yip situation or something. I have no idea.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, when you look at the defense and
Speaker 5: I think, you know the game itself against Cleveland, I
Speaker 5: think there are other issues besides having mcpheerson and the
Speaker 5: two pats obviously one of them blocked and then the
Speaker 5: one miss like you mentioned, But you know, defensively, I
Speaker 5: think there's still some pieces obviously that need to be
Speaker 5: added here. I think the fact that Joe Burrow and
Speaker 5: Jamoar Chase both you Know basically said listen, you know
Speaker 5: a Jamar saying the Poms are obvious and Joe saying,
Speaker 5: you know, we need championship caliber roster. I think when
Speaker 5: you look at how they've spent their defensive draft picks,
Speaker 5: and you've got to either ask two questions. Are we
Speaker 5: developing these guys to get them to play at the
Speaker 5: level we need to or do we need to go
Speaker 5: out and get players to be able to do that?
Speaker 5: And how do we identify players better when they come
Speaker 5: into our building. I think these are all big questions
Speaker 5: that Tobin needs to be asked, you know. I do
Speaker 5: think it is notable that the Bengals are making Tobin
Speaker 5: available to talk and quite frankly answer questions about how
Speaker 5: this roster was constructed, because I think that's where things
Speaker 5: really went wrong when you go back and book in
Speaker 5: hindsight as to why the Bengals aren't in the playoffs.
Speaker 1: Talking to Ben Baby from ESPN about the Bengals season
Speaker 1: wrapped up yesterday. Tough loss against the Browns. It's always
Speaker 1: tough in the AFC North. It was a season really
Speaker 1: for the taking as far as that goes, because the
Speaker 1: AFC North at a down year. But you had Joe's toe,
Speaker 1: and Flacco came in, and we saw Jake Browning not
Speaker 1: what he once was. We saw Chase brown I mean,
Speaker 1: what a monster he and p Ryan tandem going at
Speaker 1: it from the backfield. I mean, and there were so
Speaker 1: many other questions, but I mean, wasn't it amazing to
Speaker 1: see him sort of step up and go next level
Speaker 1: in the midst of this very tumultuous season.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, I think this is what the Bengals
Speaker 5: needed to a degree. You know, they needed to find
Speaker 5: a a better and more consistent running game, and over
Speaker 5: the course of the season they were able to find that.
Speaker 5: Now here's the thing, Sterling, I think that they still
Speaker 5: need more from the running game. And I don't know
Speaker 5: how much of that is dependent on the running backs
Speaker 5: they have, But when you look at how teams play
Speaker 5: the Bengals, they said, all right, we are for years now,
Speaker 5: they said, we are not going to give Joe Burrow
Speaker 5: and Jamar Case and p Higgins the ability to go
Speaker 5: down the field and attack us vertically like they did
Speaker 5: in twenty twenty one. Really before teams figured out just
Speaker 5: how good the receivers in Burrow could be together. And
Speaker 5: if you're going to teams are going to play you
Speaker 5: that way. Guys in that building will tell you, we
Speaker 5: have to be able to run the ball. And the
Speaker 5: year after year, the coaches said the same thing. We've
Speaker 5: got to be explosive in the running game. And I
Speaker 5: think the biggest problem with this Bengals offense they are
Speaker 5: not creating enough explosive plays. And I think when you
Speaker 5: spend as much money as you have, you've got to
Speaker 5: be able to take what the defense is given you
Speaker 5: and exploit them in that way. And I think we
Speaker 5: just don't see enough of debt. And I think as
Speaker 5: good as Chase Brown has been, I think there's still
Speaker 5: more room for him and his offense to grow.
Speaker 1: In twenty twenty six, man baby from ESPN with Sterling
Speaker 1: on the big one and to go back to defense
Speaker 1: and you live and breathe this and study this like
Speaker 1: there's nobody else except maybe guys employed by the Bengals.
Speaker 1: But I'm interested in this. The defensive draft picks they've
Speaker 1: had many, They've had many big names and high end
Speaker 1: draft pick type of individuals coming into Cincinnati. How much
Speaker 1: of it is failing to develop Some of those who
Speaker 1: weren't as good as expected or or just being forced
Speaker 1: into service earlier than expected, and that sort of adjust
Speaker 1: and changes their development because that was sort of a
Speaker 1: circumstance for a few.
Speaker 3: Of these guys.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think there is some some credence to the
Speaker 5: fact that there was a delayed developmental process for some
Speaker 5: of these young guys. We saw that when Miles Murphy
Speaker 5: got on the field a little bit more, he was
Speaker 5: able to defind his footing. We see how DJ Turner
Speaker 5: start to come into his own as well. The young
Speaker 5: linebackers started to play well, you know, once they got
Speaker 5: deeper into their rookie seasons. And I think that's one
Speaker 5: of the reasons why when you look at why the
Speaker 5: Bengals moved on from Louis and Rubo, you know they say, listen,
Speaker 5: we know we have to develop these young guys. We
Speaker 5: cannot go out and afford them. I understand where lou
Speaker 5: was coming from as well, because we saw what they
Speaker 5: were at the beginning of when they started out and
Speaker 5: they just didn't make that a set that you needed
Speaker 5: them to initially. And I think this year it really
Speaker 5: felt like a rebuilding year for this.
Speaker 2: Team and this defense.
Speaker 5: You wanted to see these young guys grow a little
Speaker 5: bit more, and they have, but again, I think you
Speaker 5: still need more difference makers on that side of the ball.
Speaker 5: You look at what Philadelphia did last year when they
Speaker 5: won the Super Bowl, and they paid all these guys
Speaker 5: on offense well, they drafted incredibly well on defense and
Speaker 5: those guys were able to play and get up to
Speaker 5: speed quickly. I think that's going to continue to be
Speaker 5: the mission for Al Golden, the Bengals defensive coordinator, is
Speaker 5: getting these young guys not only just to play well,
Speaker 5: but to really be difference makers for this defense.
Speaker 1: For so long we talked about parodying the NFL and
Speaker 1: the struggles that sort of go with it. This season,
Speaker 1: we've seen more than a couple of teams that have
Speaker 1: gone effectively from worse to first or at least into
Speaker 1: the playoffs, if not to first. So that gives us
Speaker 1: some hope. With this window still open with this Bengals team,
Speaker 1: how much time do you think they have to get
Speaker 1: healthy and well and beefed up with talent to hopefully
Speaker 1: get to the playoffs and maybe deep into the playoffs again,
Speaker 1: because that window is not as wide open as it
Speaker 1: once was. Because as bizarre as it sounds, Joe Burrow
Speaker 1: is not a kid anymore.
Speaker 5: No, and Burrow is going to be entering his seventh
Speaker 5: season next year, and you know, the Bengals are now
Speaker 5: three years or moved. You can say, oh you anything,
Speaker 5: you know, you can hear about urgency and this and that.
Speaker 5: I think every team that doesn't make the playoffs is
Speaker 5: going to say, you know, it's it's urgent that they
Speaker 5: find a way to get back in I think it's
Speaker 5: how do you change what you've done previously that has
Speaker 5: not worked and find a way to get back into contention.
Speaker 5: I think that's the edict that that Joe Burrow was
Speaker 5: handed out and said, listen, something's got to change. You know,
Speaker 5: Jamar Chase again said something similar to that effect, and
Speaker 5: you know, Zach Taylor kind of didn't really answer the
Speaker 5: question of what exactly they'd like to change moving forward.
Speaker 5: Curious see what Duke Tobin has to say about this,
Speaker 5: But ultimately they have to do something to get this
Speaker 5: back to where it needs to be because you know,
Speaker 5: the if you're a Bengals fan, or really a fan
Speaker 5: of any team in the AMS North this year, you've
Speaker 5: got to be frustrated because this is the worst the
Speaker 5: division has been in quite some time, and if you
Speaker 5: were able to get to ten wins, you were going
Speaker 5: to be able to win it. And you saw the
Speaker 5: Baltimore Pittsburgh game, I know it was entertaining. I don't
Speaker 5: think that was a well played game. I mean, you
Speaker 5: look at how each of those teams tried to lose
Speaker 5: the division. It's like the story of the year the division.
Speaker 5: Nobody really wanted to win. And so I think there's
Speaker 5: so many questions that all four teams have to answer.
Speaker 5: But you go look at it across the AFC, there
Speaker 5: are a lot of good teams out there, and that's
Speaker 5: not with you know. You know we were talking about
Speaker 5: the Baltimore Ravens not making the playoffs, Kansas City not
Speaker 5: in the playoffs. We'll see how good Buffalo is going
Speaker 5: to be. And you see some of these younger quarterbacks,
Speaker 5: these younger teams really starting to play well. And it's
Speaker 5: it's going to continue to be tough to really go
Speaker 5: make a run in a very crowded division conference.
Speaker 1: Ben Baby covers the Bengals for ESPN. I'm sterling this
Speaker 1: seven hundred WLW when you look at the retention of
Speaker 1: this coaching staff at least as much as they share
Speaker 1: with us that you know that are going to be
Speaker 1: around Zach, et cetera. Are you surprised at that? And
Speaker 1: what I mean by I shouldn't say surprised. We know
Speaker 1: that Joe Burrow, you know, is comfortable with them, and
Speaker 1: there were injuries extenuating circumstances I suppose in this, But
Speaker 1: if Burrow was not on board with this, how likely
Speaker 1: do you think it would have been that it would
Speaker 1: have been a new regime as far as management and
Speaker 1: operations on the field for this Bengals football team.
Speaker 5: You know, it's a really good question. I don't have
Speaker 5: a great answer for you. I think it's the obvious
Speaker 5: thing would be that if Burrow, you know, did not
Speaker 5: think that they were moving in the right direction, obviously,
Speaker 5: you know, I think they would. The front office will
Speaker 5: have to take that into consideration. I think Zach Taylor
Speaker 5: has done a very good job the entirety of his
Speaker 5: coaching tenure, even going back to when Indy Dalton was here,
Speaker 5: trying to make the quarterbacks as comfortable as he possibly
Speaker 5: can and put them in positions to succeed. I think
Speaker 5: that's why you see when different quarterbacks come in, you
Speaker 5: see a different style of play, why Joe Flacco operates
Speaker 5: the offense differently than than Joe Burrow. And then when
Speaker 5: you go back to what Jake Browning was doing well
Speaker 5: in twenty three, you know the offense was differently back
Speaker 5: then as well. I think that is a credit to
Speaker 5: what Zach Taylor has done. And I do think there
Speaker 5: are some very good coaches on staff. When you look
Speaker 5: at how they developed, how they put and positions to win,
Speaker 5: I think they have done a lot of good things. Unfortunately,
Speaker 5: you know, I think it's Ted Carris hold reporters. You know,
Speaker 5: after the game yesterday, you know, the Bengals are the
Speaker 5: would be Kings, and they've got to figure out what
Speaker 5: exactly is keeping them from finding ways to play better
Speaker 5: in the middle of the season, but also finished games,
Speaker 5: because this is now a multi year problem. And you
Speaker 5: go look at the Bengals record over the last few years,
Speaker 5: one of the worst teams in the league in one
Speaker 5: score games and really a team that should be more
Speaker 5: dominant in some of these situations.
Speaker 1: Then Baby Cover spangles for ESPN with Sterling on the
Speaker 1: big one. Closing games out has been a problem, and
Speaker 1: losing close games has been a problem, and that's an
Speaker 1: amazing thing. Preserving the lead or going down field and
Speaker 1: getting it at the end and closing is everything. So
Speaker 1: how is there a magic bullet for that? I mean,
Speaker 1: other than getting a big lead and not giving it
Speaker 1: up along the way. Because what we talked over the
Speaker 1: last couple years, Ben was what, let's win some games
Speaker 1: to start the season. Well they finally did that. Then
Speaker 1: you get a toe problem and then you know, navigating
Speaker 1: the in between and that ugliness. And we saw what
Speaker 1: was a promising end I suppose, at least till Cleveland
Speaker 1: and seeing them seemingly put it back together again and
Speaker 1: you can sort of check and see that offense clicking.
Speaker 1: But the end between and finding a way with that
Speaker 1: and closing it out, I mean, that is just ponderous.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And I think that's something that that there does
Speaker 5: need to be a legitimate answer given I think by
Speaker 5: the coaching staff at some points too. Why this has
Speaker 5: been an issue over the last two seasons. You go
Speaker 5: back and the Bengals led Baltimore twice in the second
Speaker 5: half in twenty twenty four, lost both of those games,
Speaker 5: a major reason why they didn't get in the playoffs
Speaker 5: this year. Could not close out the Jets and the Bears.
Speaker 5: You know, the Bears ended up being a pretty good team.
Speaker 5: We'll see how good they really are in the playoffs.
Speaker 5: But the Jets are one of the worst teams in
Speaker 5: the NFL, and by quite some margin. And you couldn't
Speaker 5: win that game yesterday. The Bengals should have beaten Cleveland.
Speaker 5: You know, we're in control at too many mistakes and
Speaker 5: then you know, they allowed the Browns to go out
Speaker 5: and now ran And I think as bad as Shador
Speaker 5: Sanders played yesterday, I have to give him a lot
Speaker 5: of credit for that last drive, being able to leave
Speaker 5: the offense down. I think that you know, they did
Speaker 5: exactly what they needed to do to win that game late.
Speaker 5: But you know, again, a situation where the Bengals are
Speaker 5: able to find if they can just get a couple
Speaker 5: of plays, this ends up being a win. And this
Speaker 5: is not a as Joe Burrow said earlier this season,
Speaker 5: it's a whole you know, it's just not a good
Speaker 5: football team. And so they have to figure out what
Speaker 5: exactly is the problem in that regard.
Speaker 1: What have I not asked about this that you see
Speaker 1: as being an obvious thing or that's not being talked
Speaker 1: about this last season and moving ahead, because I mean,
Speaker 1: the only thing that matters is what's next. I suppose
Speaker 1: Ben baby.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think the two big questions that I have
Speaker 5: or Joe Burrow's health moving forward. How healthy was he
Speaker 5: finishing the year? You know, it seemed like everything was okay,
Speaker 5: but you know, how much how will that toe continue
Speaker 5: to respond as he goes further and deeper into the offseason.
Speaker 5: And also, at one point is enough going to be enough?
Speaker 5: And is Burrow is going to get set up? Are
Speaker 5: other is going to be frustrated? You know, as the
Speaker 5: front office is going to decide we can't continue this way.
Speaker 5: And really, the Bengals when they were when they were
Speaker 5: drafted Joe Burrow in twenty twenty, they were given a
Speaker 5: massive lifeline to revitalize this organization in a fan base
Speaker 5: that when I got here in twenty nineteen that was
Speaker 5: a checkdown, a checked out could get true and you know,
Speaker 5: you end up having one of the best quarterbacks in
Speaker 5: the league. And ultimately, did you capitalize on the resource
Speaker 5: the NFL literally gives you to be good? You know,
Speaker 5: you just have to be bad enough to be in
Speaker 5: a good position to draft a great player. The Bengals
Speaker 5: got a transcendent one. Did they maximize Burrow? I think,
Speaker 5: whenever all was said and done and with his time
Speaker 5: in Cincinnati, that's going to be the biggest question for
Speaker 5: everybody in the building, and I think they have to
Speaker 5: be able to say, yes, we think we did everything
Speaker 5: we could, and if not, long after Burrow's gone, I
Speaker 5: think there will be many fans who remember how this
Speaker 5: tenure of the Bengals franchise went and how they'll feel
Speaker 5: about the franchise moving forward because of that.
Speaker 1: I have an unusual question, but I'm going to ask
Speaker 1: because I think you're qualified to answer it better than I.
Speaker 1: We see how the parody and the way the money
Speaker 1: is adjusted and handled for budgeting for these teams in
Speaker 1: the NFL. Could Major League Baseball benefit from being in
Speaker 1: a better situation handling those same type of resources in
Speaker 1: whatever way would work for them because it is a
Speaker 1: different sport, obviously, where you could see more regularly the
Speaker 1: worst to first kind of scenario, which gives markets where
Speaker 1: teams have historically maybe not been or smaller markets a
Speaker 1: better chance to do it. Even though the Reds seemed
Speaker 1: to just be a you know, just that close so often.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, I just don't. I don't want to
Speaker 5: hear that. You know, I'm I'm a Texas Rangers fan.
Speaker 5: We spent a lot of money. We want to work
Speaker 5: through as recently, but listen, we went out and spent
Speaker 5: a lot. We got Corey Seeger got core you know, Marcusenian,
Speaker 5: and they did what they needed to do to win.
Speaker 5: I think the NFL has a cash floor.
Speaker 2: It's not the.
Speaker 5: Salary cap that's the problem. It's that there is a
Speaker 5: cash floor, which means that every few years there's a
Speaker 5: minimum amount of money that has to be spent, and
Speaker 5: if you don't spend it, it gets allocated to your
Speaker 5: roster regardless. So at least you decide how to spend
Speaker 5: it because it's getting spent. Anyways, what we see in
Speaker 5: so many markets in Major League Baseball, or owners in
Speaker 5: franchises who have no incentive to go out and put
Speaker 5: competitive products on the field. They're okay with with sand
Speaker 5: bases not showing up. They're okay with empty ballparks on
Speaker 5: a day and day out basis, And quite frankly, you're
Speaker 5: seeing too many people okay with being less and less
Speaker 5: culturally relevant in America, where you're not seeing the best
Speaker 5: athletes want to go out and play baseball anymore, and
Speaker 5: that's not ideal, and there should be other issues when
Speaker 5: you look at it, you know, I think you have
Speaker 5: to give the Japanese a ton of credit some of
Speaker 5: these Asian countries in South American country, Central American countries
Speaker 5: that have produced so many great baseball players. And I
Speaker 5: think it's a larger conversation because we spend so much
Speaker 5: money on youth sports in America, and yet are we
Speaker 5: even producing players at the level that we need to
Speaker 5: given the investment that we have when other countries do
Speaker 5: not invest in that way. There's something about or just
Speaker 5: like in boxing, the amateur system sometimes doesn't always work
Speaker 5: the way it does. I think there's so many questions
Speaker 5: about baseball, and I mean, we could go for hours
Speaker 5: on this, and I don't know if I'm qualified. I
Speaker 5: don't know if I'm qualified for any of this either,
Speaker 5: But I think those are big questions that Major League
Speaker 5: Baseball does need to answer if they want to be
Speaker 5: continually relevant with kids who may or may not be
Speaker 5: interested in sports in general in a few years.
Speaker 1: It's interesting and that you see these ratings that whether
Speaker 1: it's radio here or TV here, and across the country.
Speaker 1: In Major League Baseball, they've seen it grow the last
Speaker 1: couple of years as they've tweaked the game a little.
Speaker 1: One would hope that that interests domestically for kids stateside
Speaker 1: to sort of go out there play and find their
Speaker 1: way would be it. But I don't know that that's
Speaker 1: the only answer either, So but I just wanted to
Speaker 1: get in your head about it because I know you
Speaker 1: look at and study this in in a multitude of
Speaker 1: different ways. So I really appreciate you taking time and
Speaker 1: doing what you do. It's always good to follow you,
Speaker 1: and thank you for taking my call. I hope we
Speaker 1: can do this again soon. We still have not talked
Speaker 1: boxing as much as I'd like, and then I'm trying
Speaker 1: to learn cricket. But I realized that it's a small
Speaker 1: interesting population who's interested in that. But I'm trying to
Speaker 1: figure it out in the worst way.
Speaker 5: So hey, listen, at this point, I think we're gonna
Speaker 5: have as many boxing fans in the US's cricket fans,
Speaker 5: yes the way that that's what keeps calling.
Speaker 1: So were you happy to see Paul get beat down
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks ago?
Speaker 5: I mean, that's what should have happened, right, I mean,
Speaker 5: it's like asking, like asking Joe Burrow to go play,
Speaker 5: go play against Mason High, Right, Well, I expect is
Speaker 5: going to happen. I mean, you know, I just the
Speaker 5: fact that that was even allowed in the state of Florida.
Speaker 5: I mean, if John McCain was still alive, I think
Speaker 5: there'd be congressional hearings about this. I mean, that's just
Speaker 5: the amount of things that happened in some of these
Speaker 5: states is absurd. That's a fight that never should have
Speaker 5: and saying would never have happened in an actual state
Speaker 5: that Florida deserves a lot of criticism, and quite frankly,
Speaker 5: they are lucky that Jake Paul did not get severely
Speaker 5: hurt against a guy who was a former unified heavyweight
Speaker 5: champion of the world.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, big deal. He is and does survive that
Speaker 1: car crash too, which is a whole nother thing together too.
Speaker 1: I thought of you when I was like watching replay
Speaker 1: of that, and I felt sort of sick, not because
Speaker 1: he lost, but because I enjoyed him losing so much,
Speaker 1: which it really is just bizarre. But I was like, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: and why am I cheering that? But I did? I
Speaker 1: really did. That's all I have I.
Speaker 5: Think in America now, if you can create, and I
Speaker 5: think this goes across from many many athletes who hear
Speaker 5: this out. Floyd Mayweather got this better than anybody. If
Speaker 5: you can get people to care about you one way
Speaker 5: or another, hate you're a love you. They're going to
Speaker 5: tune in for one reason and they're gonna you know,
Speaker 5: it's going to be one or the other, but they're
Speaker 5: tuning in regardless. And I think the Paul Brothers have
Speaker 5: that effect.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I think you're right. And you know,
Speaker 1: for radio and they're broadcast at least historically they've said
Speaker 1: that people who hate you tend to listen more. They
Speaker 1: love to hate you, So I guess that's the trick
Speaker 1: is to have him love it in some fashion. Ben
Speaker 1: Baby at ESPN, thank you for doing what you do
Speaker 1: and making time into lending your ear into your insights
Speaker 1: and everything else.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 1: I hope you have a fantastic new year and we
Speaker 1: can catch up again soon. Thank you, sir.
Speaker 5: Sounds good.
Speaker 1: Thanks Sterling, take care of yourself. The ESPN's Ben Baby
Speaker 1: Sterling coming back after your ten third report. Whole lot
Speaker 1: of ground tocover on the Nation station on a Monday
Speaker 1: night seven hundred WLW. I'm not mistaken, Lee Mallin, will
Speaker 1: have your eleven o'clock report about twenty three minutes or so.
Speaker 1: Bengals keeping a Zag Taylor, and they're also keeping Dick
Speaker 1: Tobin Duke Tobin. And you just happened to hear me
Speaker 1: a little bit ago talking to Ben Baby from ESPN
Speaker 1: about all that. You can certainly sound off five point
Speaker 1: three seven four nine seven eight hundred the big one.
Speaker 1: What else is going on? What a crazy story about
Speaker 1: a guy who's had some mental health issues, who at
Speaker 1: one point in time apparently had been caught trespassing or
Speaker 1: some type of issue in and around one of the
Speaker 1: regional hospitals here, I think a you see and dealing
Speaker 1: with mental health stuff, and then he trespasses on the
Speaker 1: Vice President's place in Walnut Hills, which is a stone's
Speaker 1: throw from where I used to live. But his house
Speaker 1: is bigger than my place I was staying at the
Speaker 1: time when I was living over there, that's for sure.
Speaker 1: And I did not have that kind of security. I
Speaker 1: had security, but not nobody available who was going to
Speaker 1: help some loan. And I'm not trying to discount this
Speaker 1: at all whatsoever. But the guy busted up a couple
Speaker 1: of windows and now is dealing with federal charges and
Speaker 1: so on, vandalism, criminal damaging, trespassing, obstructing official business, which
Speaker 1: would be the business of the Secret Service, which apparently
Speaker 1: when you are somebody at that level like the vice president,
Speaker 1: probably for a governor and so on, maybe even the mayor.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure how deep it has to go where
Speaker 1: you have to worry about people who are looking to
Speaker 1: do you harm, who are off the rails, crazy, insane
Speaker 1: or mentally deficient, challenge drunk high.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: These are not allegations about this guy. I'm just talking
Speaker 1: in broad terms or generalities. In a time where just
Speaker 1: a few years ago you had Pelosi's husband who was
Speaker 1: attacked with a hammer at their home in somewhere in
Speaker 1: around San Francisco. Could have killed that guy. Uh, and
Speaker 1: then of course you have lawmakers that were in Minnesota
Speaker 1: who were in fact gunned down, and an innocent person
Speaker 1: as well. These are contentious, dangerous, unsettling, unnerving times. And uh,
Speaker 1: you know, it's just good that the vice president, his
Speaker 1: wife and anyone else there did not come to harm.
Speaker 1: And even further good thing that you know, there was
Speaker 1: not overreaction and any damage done significantly or permanently to
Speaker 1: this guy who's now accused of this attack. He was arrested.
Speaker 1: I want to clarify it, guys, I had I had
Speaker 1: it in front of me and misplaced it where I
Speaker 1: was on the on my paper. Uh do you see
Speaker 1: Health Psychiatric Emergency Services building is what this guy Defour
Speaker 1: was arrested for. He apparently was there for trespassing is
Speaker 1: what they had charged him with. And then later he
Speaker 1: was found not to be culpable, competent, capable, functional enough
Speaker 1: to stand trial and deal with those charges going back
Speaker 1: two years ago and excuse me, and they were dismissed.
Speaker 1: And then in two thousand and four, and this has
Speaker 1: been a reported WLWT. I've seen it all over wire
Speaker 1: Services as well. Two charges of vandalism breaking the front
Speaker 1: window the Hyde Park business there for another situation too,
Speaker 1: and then he went into treatment and lieu of a
Speaker 1: conviction for that type of thing. But apparently that treatment
Speaker 1: is still ongoing, and clearly the treatment's not working. If
Speaker 1: he shows up at the vice president's house vacant at
Speaker 1: the time or otherwise and looks to take a hammer
Speaker 1: to it, or whatever it was he used to bust
Speaker 1: in some windows. That's some trippy stuff. So the weirdos
Speaker 1: out there all over the place, and you know, these
Speaker 1: are content anxious times, and you just don't know people
Speaker 1: that are off their rocker or people that are just
Speaker 1: up to no good and somehow can rationalize or justify
Speaker 1: some really crazy things because they think whatever. Which then
Speaker 1: leads me to the anniversary tomorrow of January sixth and
Speaker 1: and I know some people are celebrating tomorrow like it
Speaker 1: was some type of freedom and American like patriotic endeavor
Speaker 1: that took place.
Speaker 2: It was not.
Speaker 1: You know, it's it's bewildering the difference and in the
Speaker 1: whitewashing of history as we see it effectively, it was
Speaker 1: going on even in real time, and it's it's really
Speaker 1: hard to process. And and I want to believe that
Speaker 1: I think people know better, but then again, maybe they
Speaker 1: don't know better, and I you know, maybe I'm missing something.
Speaker 1: I want to give you a chance to sound off.
Speaker 1: If I've won three, seven, four, nine, seven, eight hundred,
Speaker 1: the big one. First of all, how big of a deal?
Speaker 1: And I'm not here to criticize or anything else. I
Speaker 1: just want to know honestly, how big of a deal
Speaker 1: do you think the attack on the Capitol was January sixth?
Speaker 1: Do you in fact believe as I've heard from so
Speaker 1: many people that have told me, they said, Oh, it
Speaker 1: was just like some type of tour, a tourist thing
Speaker 1: that went on at the Capitol. And I've spent time
Speaker 1: in DC. I have friends who lived there, and I've
Speaker 1: walked along the monuments there. I have not been fortunate
Speaker 1: enough to have the type of visitation that i'd like to.
Speaker 1: I mean, at one point in time, I'd like to
Speaker 1: get to the White House and see all that stuff
Speaker 1: up close and personal. But for a long time that
Speaker 1: they didn't allow anyone in unless you were, you know,
Speaker 1: somehow super connected going you know, into that situation. They
Speaker 1: used to have regular tours, but then it became too
Speaker 1: unsaved for the occupants that you know on Pennsylvania Avenue there, President,
Speaker 1: first Lady and all those who make our government work
Speaker 1: at that level. Five three seven, four ninety seven, eight hundred,
Speaker 1: the big one. And it's just a weird thing to
Speaker 1: me in that there were people chanting for the attack
Speaker 1: in the hanging of at that time a sitting vice
Speaker 1: president who was the former governor of Indiana and Mike
Speaker 1: pent There were people calling for killing of and maiming
Speaker 1: of a lot of other lawmakers as well. And regardless
Speaker 1: of where we are right now with Donald Trump in
Speaker 1: office for his second term, which you know he won,
Speaker 1: looking back on January sixth, and somehow saying that that
Speaker 1: did not happen or it was not as severe and
Speaker 1: was not an attempt to distract and to avoid certification
Speaker 1: of an election that took place that was a loss
Speaker 1: at that time for Trump and a win for Biden,
Speaker 1: is delusional in my opinion, and really buying into the BS.
Speaker 1: It's I think, hurtful in an ugly stain on this
Speaker 1: nation and perhaps long after I'm gone and you were
Speaker 1: gone in a generation or two or three, and you know,
Speaker 1: down the line, as we continue this democratic experiment in
Speaker 1: the greatest nation on earth, at least in my opinion,
Speaker 1: it'll be interesting to see for those that are here
Speaker 1: what that ends up looking like as we start looking
Speaker 1: back in history and what that meant. It's it's disturbing
Speaker 1: to me is the lawmakers had to hide and they
Speaker 1: had to be ushered out of there to their safe
Speaker 1: places whatever they were. That we're making phone calls and
Speaker 1: in desperation and in fear, with people roaming the halls
Speaker 1: and busting into offices and everything else in the Capitol
Speaker 1: where our lawmakers do their work for us. We the
Speaker 1: people that that's what happened. It was not a tour,
Speaker 1: It was not people holding hands and comby eye. It
Speaker 1: was not a peaceful protest. Some people may have been,
Speaker 1: but there were a whole lot of people in that
Speaker 1: building and on those grounds who attacked law enforcement officers
Speaker 1: and would have been more than happy to have changed
Speaker 1: the certification in how that thing played out if in fact,
Speaker 1: it had not gone the way it did in the end.
Speaker 1: And that is a wild thing for me to imagine
Speaker 1: in these United States, even now after that five years
Speaker 1: from that date tomorrow, in how things are looked at.
Speaker 1: So I guess in time everything eventually comes out, or
Speaker 1: then again maybe it doesn't. Five point three seven four
Speaker 1: nine seven eight hundred, the Big One, your chance to
Speaker 1: get interactive. Other stuff going on. I want to say
Speaker 1: this because it's very interesting to me, and I have
Speaker 1: friends who have kids in school, and I have friends
Speaker 1: that are teachers that have you know, they teach little
Speaker 1: kids and older kids in high school some university level
Speaker 1: for that matter, too effectively. January first was the new
Speaker 1: Ohio school cell phone band, and that overall prohibits keeps
Speaker 1: kids students from having the ability to use those handheld
Speaker 1: devices or what have you while they're in school, other
Speaker 1: than like in an emergency situation, or whether they put
Speaker 1: them in those little cubby holes or they put them
Speaker 1: in a little bit one of those little lockaway bags.
Speaker 1: If you've gone to a concert or something, or an
Speaker 1: event where they don't want people pirting in, bootlegging video
Speaker 1: and audio of whatever's taking place, you may have already
Speaker 1: done that. It is an odd, awkward, uncomfortable scenario. I
Speaker 1: have friends that are pretty hacked off, some that already
Speaker 1: had a band in their classrooms or in some of
Speaker 1: the schools just since the start of this school year,
Speaker 1: and have told me that they have seen positive results
Speaker 1: as a result of the limiting access and the distraction
Speaker 1: and the focus and the actual communication and socializing. And
Speaker 1: I guess the term would be being present in the
Speaker 1: moment in the classroom and ready to learn, which, if
Speaker 1: I'm not mistaken, is exactly what school is all about.
Speaker 1: But you know, one of the lingering things that people
Speaker 1: have a fear of is if something goes sideways, you know,
Speaker 1: something terrible bad happens, that they would not necessarily be
Speaker 1: able to reach out for help. So you hope that
Speaker 1: that is not the reality. That the reality is that
Speaker 1: better learning, better engagement, better outcomes for students, which is
Speaker 1: good for the country in US as a people overall.
Speaker 1: And I think that you know this odd thing, And
Speaker 1: I've seen this with more older people than kids, And
Speaker 1: it's probably because I'm hanging out with adults more than kids,
Speaker 1: just because I'm a grown up. And even my friends
Speaker 1: with kids, when I've been out with them, I often
Speaker 1: see their parents more just acted and engaged in their
Speaker 1: devices from time to time, either visiting their houses or
Speaker 1: out about for food or whatever together then I do
Speaker 1: the kids in many cases, which I think is interesting.
Speaker 1: And I guess that's how the worm is turned. Where
Speaker 1: kids are, you know, saying, well, mom and dad aren't
Speaker 1: paying attention. They're in their phone or you know, you know,
Speaker 1: they're just in front of no different than the TV
Speaker 1: used to be. Now it's the phone in your hand
Speaker 1: or on your wrist or whatever else. Five one, three, seven, four, nine, seven,
Speaker 1: eight hundred The Big One it's a Monday sterling for Gary. Jeff,
Speaker 1: want to know what you think. Later on conversation I
Speaker 1: had with the former head of political science at Right
Speaker 1: State breaking down and looking at the historical significance of
Speaker 1: what happened in Venezuela. With an incredible, I mean, precisionally
Speaker 1: run plan. They built a facility in the States on
Speaker 1: base for the for these high talent military personnel to
Speaker 1: basically work through what their plan was to go get Maduro,
Speaker 1: and they did overwhelming force, limiting any type of worry
Speaker 1: for retribution in response from Venezuela. They snatched him, they
Speaker 1: snatched the first lady, and he faced a courtroom situation
Speaker 1: this afternoon in New York. It's a wild circumstance to
Speaker 1: see how that played out and the actual execution of it,
Speaker 1: the planning of it. It wasn't the biggest surprise as
Speaker 1: far as what it was leading to with the increase
Speaker 1: in naval presence in and around the Caribbean, aside from
Speaker 1: target practice going after those alleged drug boats, which some
Speaker 1: probably have been. They went after a few over in
Speaker 1: the Pacific side as well, but it was just a
Speaker 1: matter of time and none of us were really sure
Speaker 1: if they were going to get him out of there,
Speaker 1: and certainly may not have expected it to go down
Speaker 1: the way it did. But that raid on Venezuela, technically speaking,
Speaker 1: the military angle, the business of going and getting someone
Speaker 1: in that situation, shows the might, the muscle and the
Speaker 1: capabilities of our military and the intelligence to go along
Speaker 1: with that to get something done. And my guess is
Speaker 1: that a whole lot of people around planet Earth, and
Speaker 1: certainly in our part of it, in this hemisphere, are
Speaker 1: are looking a little bit more seriously at what the
Speaker 1: President says moving ahead, whether it's Columbia, maybe even Mexico,
Speaker 1: and certainly Cuba, which you can almost see from Key
Speaker 1: West if you look that direction in South Florida five
Speaker 1: point three seven four nine, seven thousand, eight hundred, the
Speaker 1: big One. I'm glad you're along at Sterling with a
Speaker 1: quick break. We'll come back, give you a chance to
Speaker 1: sound off, and doctor Schlack after the eleven o'clock news
Speaker 1: will give us a look to her perspective historically and
Speaker 1: everything else with one went down in Venezuela. But let's
Speaker 1: get to Monroe and talk to Mark on seven hundred
Speaker 1: WLW with Sterling, Mark, how are.
Speaker 3: You I'm doing fine. How are you tonight?
Speaker 1: No complaints?
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 1: I'm looking at video right now from ABC Live Prime
Speaker 1: where they're showing Maduro being walked back apparently after the
Speaker 1: hearing earlier that he had. It's a pretty amazing thing.
Speaker 1: What are you up to do?
Speaker 3: You?
Speaker 1: What's on your mind?
Speaker 3: Well?
Speaker 6: I was going to come in on the Chase sixth thing,
Speaker 6: but you can. We could go with Maduro if you want,
Speaker 6: whatever you want, you call it's your time, okay. I
Speaker 6: you know, I go back to that whole thing. And
Speaker 6: I think there's a lot of controversy, especially with Nancy Pelosi.
Speaker 6: Trump volunteered to bring in a National.
Speaker 3: Guard and she.
Speaker 6: She decided she didn't want to do it. Then she
Speaker 6: admitted that she was negligent about it, and then she
Speaker 6: turned again and said she had nothing to.
Speaker 5: Do with it.
Speaker 6: So there's too many conflicts of admission there in my opinion.
Speaker 1: I guess my question is who stirred up the pot,
Speaker 1: who rallied those people, and who sent those people to
Speaker 1: the capitol, and who went into the capital tore stuff
Speaker 1: up and looked and hunted effectively for these lawmakers.
Speaker 6: Well, I'll be honest with you, I'll go a lot
Speaker 6: with the conspiracy theory. I mean, the deep state, in
Speaker 6: my opinion, is a lot deeper than most people think
Speaker 6: it is.
Speaker 3: I think they are.
Speaker 6: They had articulate to infiltrating people here, there, and everywhere
Speaker 6: when they need to. And I also believe they basically
Speaker 6: uh I wouldn't say own the press or what I
Speaker 6: would refer to propaganda, but you they reveal certain information
Speaker 6: and definitely withholding information. So I think you have this
Speaker 6: major splice and dice.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: I'm not even talking about the editing. I'm just wondering
Speaker 1: who was down there rattling those people and telling them
Speaker 1: to go to the capitol, because that wasn't edited. Just
Speaker 1: just who called them there, who said it was going
Speaker 1: to be a wild time, who sent them there, who
Speaker 1: said the election was stolen? And who failed as president
Speaker 1: to get the national guard there when he sent them
Speaker 1: all over the country subsequently this term, we know he
Speaker 1: has the capability to do that. That was the president
Speaker 1: and that was those individuals who made that choice. The
Speaker 1: media didn't encourage in the go to the president did correct, Well,
Speaker 1: what was.
Speaker 6: He guilty saying let's go over to the capital peacefully.
Speaker 6: I haven't heard that edited properly overall.
Speaker 1: I'm not talking about I'm not talking about any edits though.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, did he not call people down there,
Speaker 1: raise hell, tell them that the election was stolen and
Speaker 1: everything I just asked you? He did, right? And those
Speaker 1: and those people did they were manipulated by who to
Speaker 1: go in there and ransack the place, even if it
Speaker 1: was just ransacking it, right. I mean, if I went
Speaker 1: in and ransacked the FBI building across the parking lot,
Speaker 1: which I shouldn't even joke about, that was a bad choice.
Speaker 1: But if anybody, they'll be in here giving me a
Speaker 1: cavity search before the night's over. Mark, I'm not careful,
Speaker 1: so I got to be. But if somebody you know
Speaker 1: went in there, you'd have to blame them for being
Speaker 1: culpable for going in or someone who encouraged them.
Speaker 6: Yes, well, yeah, I'll be honest with you. I think,
Speaker 6: in my opinion, and I'm not suggesting, hey, this is
Speaker 6: the perfect reason to go out and ransack and you know, create.
Speaker 3: A riot or anything, but.
Speaker 6: I think that election was stolen, and especially like what
Speaker 6: the Georgia thing, when Trump says, you know, let's find
Speaker 6: x amount of votes out there, I think it was
Speaker 6: marginal enough. It wasn't the swing it the other way
Speaker 6: around is like, hey, do a recount there.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, they did a lot of recounts. Mark.
Speaker 1: I appreciate the call, man, I appreciate you listening to it,
Speaker 1: and thank you. But time and time again, court proceeding
Speaker 1: after court proceeding after court proceeding, Trump appointees, other Republican
Speaker 1: appointees and judges and so forth. I mean, case after
Speaker 1: case after case. You know that there was not enough
Speaker 1: jacking around with the vote to make an end difference.
Speaker 1: And I mean it, it's just a lot of kool
Speaker 1: aid drinking. It would be nice if everybody could just
Speaker 1: be honest and own whatever it is and what it was,
Speaker 1: aside from many manipulation by the media. I'm not the
Speaker 1: brightest bulb in the box, but I've been able to
Speaker 1: sift through it and sit here behind a microphone and
Speaker 1: talk about it for years now on occasion. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's just it's wild and we can agree to disagree
Speaker 1: with the anniversaries tomorrow and that all I can tell
Speaker 1: you is that was not a good time tour. Like
Speaker 1: Boy Scouts and Girls Scouts or any other group going
Speaker 1: to DC to see the capital that was the hillacious
Speaker 1: anti American bunch of crap and those people being pardoned.
Speaker 1: Just sad, sad, standing on history. The news straight away,
Speaker 1: give you a chance to hear what's going on around
Speaker 1: planet Earth, and you're eleven o'clock report, and then we'll
Speaker 1: get some insight into what went down in Venezuela and
Speaker 1: what the future may hold for us most importantly, and
Speaker 1: then of course our neighbors to the south moving ahead,
Speaker 1: we'll see how that goes. And let's get one more.
Speaker 1: I think we have time. Let me look four or five, No,
Speaker 1: we got to stop, all right, Hang on the news
Speaker 1: straight away more Sterling coming back, seven hundred WLW back
Speaker 1: tomorrow or Western Hiding producing Lee Molts. They're updated about
Speaker 1: twenty three minutes in three seconds. If you're really paying
Speaker 1: close attention to time, you know this weekend was tough
Speaker 1: as a Bengals fan in that well, this season came
Speaker 1: to an end, and they played some good football on
Speaker 1: occasion when Joe came back with the tow, I mean
Speaker 1: he gave up. He turned the ball over a few times,
Speaker 1: which was somewhat uncharacteristic. We know yesterday's outcome again the
Speaker 1: Browns was less than satisfying. Uh, sort of gave that
Speaker 1: one away. Talked to Ben Baby for MEESPN about that
Speaker 1: a little bit earlier. You can listen to the podcast
Speaker 1: after the show, UH and check out a conversation I
Speaker 1: had with him. He's always compelling. Same with doctor Donald Schleck,
Speaker 1: a former head of political science at Right State, and
Speaker 1: even Garry Cheff, who we talked to a little bit
Speaker 1: earlier too and had some fun. But you know, you
Speaker 1: start looking ahead and kind I think, Okay, well, what
Speaker 1: would the Bengals do next. We know that they've kept
Speaker 1: Zach Taylor, we know that Dick a Duke Tobin is
Speaker 1: going to be around, and I guess there'll be some
Speaker 1: more conversation about what they're going to do to improve
Speaker 1: that defense and whatever else that they need to fortify
Speaker 1: offensively to help get them to be where they need
Speaker 1: to be as long as that windows open for Uh.
Speaker 1: It's weird to say a quickly aging Joe Burrow, but
Speaker 1: in terms of NFL life span, you know he's getting there,
Speaker 1: and so you know the window is relatively short. There's
Speaker 1: more years, but you want to get it done and
Speaker 1: get back to the playoffs and hopefully get there regularly
Speaker 1: and get there deep and then maybe get back to
Speaker 1: a super Bowl or something along those lines. That's rarefied air.
Speaker 1: But he is a rarefied quarterback in The talent around
Speaker 1: him is pretty exceptional generally speaking overall. And you know,
Speaker 1: we listen to Dan Horde, we listen to Dave Lapham,
Speaker 1: we get spoiled. You listen to Joe Sunderman and Byron Larkin,
Speaker 1: and you get spoiled. The talent, the people behind the
Speaker 1: microphones talking about Xavier basketball or Bengals certainly basketball, Bearcats
Speaker 1: as well, a Big twelve season, Big East season, respectfully,
Speaker 1: all about it, whether it's Terry Nelson hanging out with
Speaker 1: Dan Horde, who Dan does everything, excuse me, all of
Speaker 1: it were very spoiled in the Tri State as sports
Speaker 1: fans to get the talent behind the microphone who paint
Speaker 1: the pictures for us as we're driving around or listening
Speaker 1: on the job or whatever it is. Around Bengals, around
Speaker 1: bear Cats, around Musketeers, and the Reds are no exception.
Speaker 1: Reds on radio on the Big One. Obviously, Hot Stove
Speaker 1: League is here. They'll be in the desert sooner than
Speaker 1: you know it, getting tuned up and ready to go
Speaker 1: and move. Still to be made, and they've made a few,
Speaker 1: but we'll see if they do a little bit more
Speaker 1: to make this Reds team a little bit more competitive
Speaker 1: going into twenty six and certainly behind the microphone, it
Speaker 1: is a pretty amazing thing. Tommy Thrall is tremendous. You
Speaker 1: hear a lot of other guys around him in one
Speaker 1: of the best former Red player and a guy who,
Speaker 1: now you can tack this on to I'm sure probably
Speaker 1: a case full of plaques and trophies and rings and
Speaker 1: everything else. Not enough room on an average everyday mantle
Speaker 1: for Jeff Brantley, now the newly crowned Ohio sportscaster of
Speaker 1: the Year thanks to the National Sports Media Association. Here's
Speaker 1: an earful of our Jeff Brantley doing what he does
Speaker 1: on a nightly and daily basis, making a compelling painting
Speaker 1: pictures to let us understand the game better and frankly
Speaker 1: entertaining as all get out. On the big one.
Speaker 7: Line, drive down the left field line, that's gonna score
Speaker 7: a few. Coming around third, they're waving him onto the house.
Speaker 3: Here comes to Vigno, the thought of the plate.
Speaker 8: We're tired.
Speaker 7: Three three a game, tyg basis clearing double from Christian
Speaker 7: in carnassium strand how about that sugar coming into the ballgame.
Speaker 9: This is Zach Maxwell, who's fun throw that thing? Scored
Speaker 9: a run back in the two run third, and he
Speaker 9: ropes this one down the line.
Speaker 7: It is out of here.
Speaker 3: TJ.
Speaker 9: Friedel Oh, oh my goodness, that was an absolute rope.
Speaker 9: Four to two reds Wow swings and fouls of backs.
Speaker 9: Still two balls and two strikes baseball, NASCAR, country music?
Speaker 9: More is that right down my alley? All in the
Speaker 9: same spot. The feeling you're gonna do that's like a
Speaker 9: redneck dream?
Speaker 3: Got that right?
Speaker 9: Coors Field International Airport balls are taking flight every fifteen
Speaker 9: to thirty seconds between six forty and nine forty each night.
Speaker 9: Make sure you got a ticket. Dela Cruise, a missile
Speaker 9: off the wall is last time up.
Speaker 3: And this ball is kerr rushed deep right field. It
Speaker 3: is a five four ball game.
Speaker 9: A two run shot by Dela Cruise, and folks, I
Speaker 9: think he's getting loose. Oh two, here we go, swing
Speaker 9: and a messy struck you now, boy. Brady Singer has
Speaker 9: been absolutely phenomenal in his first start in our Renz uniform,
Speaker 9: seven innings of one hit, shutout baseball. Talk to me,
Speaker 9: our ballpark was so bad in Fresno they condemned it
Speaker 9: at season's in. And here's the crazy part about it.
Speaker 9: We won the dang California League championship that year. We
Speaker 9: were the best team in the league. Our bus broke
Speaker 9: down when we won the championship, all the way back
Speaker 9: at dim Park, No kidding. Oh wow, you had to
Speaker 9: wear shower shoes everywhere otherwise your feet were going to
Speaker 9: be eating up.
Speaker 1: And nobody wants eating up feet. Jeff Farantley, a living
Speaker 1: legend National Sports Media Association Ohio Sportscaster of the Year
Speaker 1: just announced today, at least as far as me getting
Speaker 1: word of it, So congratulations to him, well deserved. And
Speaker 1: how does that not whet your appetite and start getting
Speaker 1: you thinking about the spring and opening day in the
Speaker 1: Finlay Market Parade and get into the desert maybe for
Speaker 1: some spring training baseball watching Reds and you know, obviously
Speaker 1: the Guardians, they spend a lot of time playing each other,
Speaker 1: sharing that facility together. As the Bengals season wraps up,
Speaker 1: although you know this is a meaty, exciting time. Also
Speaker 1: as a college basketball fan. We don't have the NBA
Speaker 1: in the Tri State certainly. And you look at just
Speaker 1: conference play between the Big twelve, the Big East with
Speaker 1: the bear Cats and the Musketeers respectfully. You cross the river,
Speaker 1: Northern Kentucky University, the Norse in the Horizon League taking
Speaker 1: on Wright State just up seventy five in Dayton, my
Speaker 1: old school. You got Miami doing what they do. You
Speaker 1: got o YOUU. I mean, I was just talking to
Speaker 1: Lance about this the other day and it is bewildering.
Speaker 1: And Chick two for that matter, the other day on
Speaker 1: the show. And you think an hour's drive from where
Speaker 1: I sit right here on Montgomery Road right now. But
Speaker 1: Drew Western, Heidi producing me and keeping me in line,
Speaker 1: and you know, talking about Jeff Brantley, sportscaster the year
Speaker 1: and everything else. You hop in a car, you drive,
Speaker 1: you know what two hours, give or take, how much
Speaker 1: college basketball is there to take in? I mean, it
Speaker 1: is bewildering to Lexington, to Louisville or UK and the
Speaker 1: Cardinals and doing what they do to Indiana who I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't even want to bring up Indiana football right now.
Speaker 1: I'm I'm very happy for Hoosier fans. You have to understand.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm an Ohio kidd, I grew up as
Speaker 1: an Ohio kid. I'm a Buckeye fan. I can't help it.
Speaker 1: And it was ugliness the other night. And the way
Speaker 1: that whole thing went down somewhat surprising or not, maybe
Speaker 1: depending against the Hurricanes in the Hoosiers for almost my
Speaker 1: entire career as a human were horrible. They were just
Speaker 1: never good at all. In the land of John Mellencamp,
Speaker 1: in the land of the late great Jim Scott, into Hoosierville,
Speaker 1: in the land of Indiana. They play on in the
Speaker 1: College Football Playoff, but they've got obviously historically great basketball.
Speaker 1: Then you just up in Indianapolis too, for that matter.
Speaker 1: Is that more than two hours away? Two and a half.
Speaker 1: I don't know what the drive is up seventy four.
Speaker 1: It's been a while since I've made the drive. But
Speaker 1: I mean, you get there, you get Butler's Bulldogs too.
Speaker 1: And you've got other Horizon League matchups in the region
Speaker 1: as well, in Big twelve, in Big Ten, Big East Horizon.
Speaker 1: It's just ridiculous. We are in the land of plenty
Speaker 1: for college football as well. And I just want to
Speaker 1: take a selfish moment to celebrate Jeff Brantley and the
Speaker 1: Reds and him getting the Sportscaster of the Year award
Speaker 1: and just thinking this is an exciting time too, and
Speaker 1: it's also Olympic time. Sooner than later they'll be doing
Speaker 1: the Winter Olympics. And I kind of am an Olympic fan.
Speaker 1: I know there's a lot of sports that are arguably activities,
Speaker 1: more like pingpong is an Olympic sport now it's a
Speaker 1: summer sport, not a winter sport, a lot of other
Speaker 1: cool stuff to go with it. And speaking about Olympics
Speaker 1: in locals, I mean, here's a guy also who you
Speaker 1: know from the region let's just say the area if
Speaker 1: you will, and Nick Keepper from Lawrenceburg. Here he is
Speaker 1: now qualifying for his what is this one two three?
Speaker 1: I think it's his fourth Olympics now he's thirty one
Speaker 1: years old. He started when he was like, I don't know, six,
Speaker 1: thirty one years old, what did I say? Forty one?
Speaker 1: Thirty one years old? And he was in Calgary and
Speaker 1: he got the free style the free ski halfpipe World
Speaker 1: Cup there and that apparently helps get him to the Olympics.
Speaker 1: So I mean there's a whole lot going on as
Speaker 1: far as that is concerned. Some of the best broadcasters
Speaker 1: in the game painting the pictures for us on a
Speaker 1: regular basis. I am very much looking forward to Red's
Speaker 1: baseball back on the big one sooner than later. In
Speaker 1: a whole lot of college basketball between then and now
Speaker 1: two so hopefully we get some chance to enjoy it.
Speaker 1: Quick break, there's more to do. I appreciate you being along,
Speaker 1: your chance to sound off as well. Are you happy
Speaker 1: about this Bengals team and the lack of changes when
Speaker 1: it comes to management and the operation and the play calling.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, Joe Burrow seemed to be quite
Speaker 1: happy with Zach Taylor, and that's one of the things
Speaker 1: that you know, comfort for Joe Burrow and his circumstance
Speaker 1: and those around him and making sure that he has
Speaker 1: what he needs. But the number of people that have
Speaker 1: reached out to me, either personally or by way of
Speaker 1: social media, and hearing a lot of other people talk
Speaker 1: about it, the frustration and the aggravation even though this season,
Speaker 1: and I have to say, if you look at what
Speaker 1: they had to overcome with injuries, and you could argue
Speaker 1: that their depth could have been better should have been better,
Speaker 1: and if it were better, they would have probably taken
Speaker 1: the AFC North. But they went out and got Joe Flacco.
Speaker 1: They were able to adjust and alter their game plan
Speaker 1: to fit his game a little better. Didn't get a
Speaker 1: whole lot of wins one It would have been nice
Speaker 1: if he could have eked out one or two more.
Speaker 1: But you know, a lot of people pretty hacked off
Speaker 1: about the fact that there weren't changes made to coaching,
Speaker 1: at least at the top of the coaching chain in Cincinnati.
Speaker 1: For the football Bengals five three, seven, four nine, seven,
Speaker 1: eight hundred the Big one, your chance to get interactive.
Speaker 1: Good bit more ground to cover before I'm out of here,
Speaker 1: and Kevin Gordon gets behind the wheel of America's truck
Speaker 1: and network, which rolls next at Sterling for Gary Jeff
Speaker 1: seven hundred WULW. Because the regular NFL season's over, it's
Speaker 1: finishes through, but the playoffs are here, and I I
Speaker 1: I'm finding it a hard time to get too engaged
Speaker 1: in it. The Bengals aren't in it, and I mean
Speaker 1: the football the NFL is hard to I mean, it's
Speaker 1: just it's so good generally, so I'm sure I'll get
Speaker 1: more into it, but I did a little disillusioned, a
Speaker 1: little dissatisfied. I'm ready for baseball. I'm ready for some
Speaker 1: college basketball, full on conference season in front of us,
Speaker 1: in the midst of it already, frankly, So we'll see
Speaker 1: what the Bengals do in the offseason and try to
Speaker 1: get better. Five one, three, seven, four, eight hundred the
Speaker 1: big one. Excuse me, I had a cough. I wanted
Speaker 1: to save you from it, so I hit the cough
Speaker 1: button so you didn't have to navigate it. Still navigating
Speaker 1: a little bit of a cold not as bad as
Speaker 1: a whole lot of other people with the flu numbers apparently,
Speaker 1: huge emergency rooms and so forth, pretty packed, and even
Speaker 1: hospitals at this point with a whole lot of people
Speaker 1: dealing with a pretty vicious flu season. They say, there's
Speaker 1: still a chance to get your shot, so get them.
Speaker 1: If it was flu for me, which they weren't sure of,
Speaker 1: it didn't last very long, about a three day funk,
Speaker 1: and then now just sort of trying to navigate getting
Speaker 1: back to it in the midst of doing what I do,
Speaker 1: and I will sanitize and martinize the entire counter surface,
Speaker 1: microphone and everything else. Common space. I'm not trying to
Speaker 1: bring the sickness to our friends and neighbors here, whether
Speaker 1: it's Tom Brenham in the morning, Scott Sloan, middays are
Speaker 1: Willie certainly Eddie, Rocky, Lance, Gary Jeff, or anybody else
Speaker 1: in GGA W will be back here tomorrow. I want
Speaker 1: to mention something else, because any time I can talk
Speaker 1: about monkeys on the loose, I get excited. I just
Speaker 1: do because it's it's a rare thing because we you know,
Speaker 1: there's not a lot of native like monkeys and stuff
Speaker 1: in and around the tri State. Occasionally you'll hear a
Speaker 1: story about some monkeys getting out and about, but not always.
Speaker 1: So here we go headline escape monkey causes chaos inside
Speaker 1: Tennessee Music store, which really, if I remember correctly, I
Speaker 1: don't know what type of monkey it was, but I
Speaker 1: know at one point somebody for a holiday gave me
Speaker 1: as a tiny sterling. I don't know if it was
Speaker 1: a chimp or a monkey. It was you'd wind it
Speaker 1: up and it would bang the symbols together and go
Speaker 1: or something in play like a drum or something like that.
Speaker 1: I don't even know, but either way, real monkey on
Speaker 1: the loose described as wreaking havoc and chaos inside this Morristown,
Speaker 1: Tennessee music store called Trade Center by the time law
Speaker 1: enforcement arrived, and the monkey had apparently escaped because it
Speaker 1: knew the heat was on. Animal control officers also responded subsequently,
Speaker 1: but the simion, as it's described capuchin monkey, a cinnamon
Speaker 1: kapucha monkey, which is different than others, apparently knew that
Speaker 1: it was time to get out and a word has it.
Speaker 1: According to the US Department of Agriculture, there was a
Speaker 1: license keeper of primeates in Alabama at a farm that
Speaker 1: apparently I don't know if they raised them, they collect them,
Speaker 1: rescue them. I don't know what doesn't say, but apparently
Speaker 1: someone boosted a monkey from Morristown. I'm sorry from I
Speaker 1: gotta hit this right. They hoisted a monkey from Alabama.
Speaker 1: They sold it to someone in Morristown, Tennessee, and then
Speaker 1: it apparently escaped because monkeys liked to get out and
Speaker 1: have some fun, and it went to the music store
Speaker 1: because I'm a like a human, I have an opposable thumb.
Speaker 1: Monkeys are not that far away from us. It also
Speaker 1: had interest in music and apparently tore up some stuff
Speaker 1: and then bailed out. They subsequently apparently have captured it,
Speaker 1: and I don't have any word if it'll be heading
Speaker 1: home soon or if it's a monkey jail situation. I'm
Speaker 1: not quite sure. I would hope it's able to go
Speaker 1: run free again. Maybe they get at some symbols or
Speaker 1: something else. It just wanted it needed to play. People
Speaker 1: don't need monkeys, by the way.
Speaker 2: I mean.
Speaker 1: I had a neighbor named Todd when I was a
Speaker 1: kid who lived in an apartment building next door to me,
Speaker 1: and he'd have us after school over, a bunch of
Speaker 1: us kids, and the big attraction was he had a
Speaker 1: monkey in a cage where his family had a monkey
Speaker 1: in a cage in the living room, and it was,
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, the most god awful, sad thing. I
Speaker 1: can remember what it would do, and I remember my
Speaker 1: cousin's even coming over at one point to see it.
Speaker 1: If you talk to them at some point, Donnie or Dougie,
Speaker 1: they will tell you probably that they remember coming over
Speaker 1: and having a monkey in a cage throw it crap
Speaker 1: at them. It's all it had. The only stimulation this
Speaker 1: monkey had was to grab crap and throw it at kids.
Speaker 1: Brought in effectively for Show and Tell to see it,
Speaker 1: and I wanted to save it. Then it was clear
Speaker 1: that it was happy, and my mom said, you cannot
Speaker 1: take the monkey from Todd's house. It will rip your
Speaker 1: face off. It's just not something you should do, and
Speaker 1: so I did not. I don't know what happened to Todd.
Speaker 1: I don't know what happened to the damn monkey. I
Speaker 1: just hope it found a better place with more room
Speaker 1: to play and more stimulation than just piles of crap
Speaker 1: that it would fling at kids brought into the home,
Speaker 1: something else, completely different. I want to mention this. I
Speaker 1: thought I had another monkey story, but I don't. But
Speaker 1: here is one I will share because I know. I
Speaker 1: had people reaching out to me and telling me that
Speaker 1: they were upset and that I should be able to
Speaker 1: sound off on this. They said that they had heard
Speaker 1: that MTV had gone completely dark, that they had shut down.
Speaker 1: They did shut down some overseas channels that were airing previously,
Speaker 1: but no, MTV is still out there wherever you can
Speaker 1: find it, if you have a cable system, streaming or
Speaker 1: whatever else. It's been around for forty four years. But
Speaker 1: on New Year's Eve it did shut down a couple
Speaker 1: of the feeds that were out there in the UK,
Speaker 1: and some others that people weren't watching as much. But
Speaker 1: you know, you could still maybe find it and still
Speaker 1: maybe listen or watch a video that's not available on
Speaker 1: the iHeartRadio app all the time at your disposal, anything
Speaker 1: that you want, playlists and shows like this or me
Speaker 1: Eddie Rocky, whatever it is. But MTV is not what
Speaker 1: it once was. I believe the real world ruined it.
Speaker 3: But that's just me.
Speaker 1: And now you can take the music with you anywhere
Speaker 1: in the iHeart Radio twenty four to seven, straight away,
Speaker 1: the Midnight Report you got, mister, excuse me, you get
Speaker 1: the news straight away you got atn rolling after that
Speaker 1: with Kevin Gordon and I am done. Gary Jeff is
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Speaker 8: No independent review on the CDC's decision on pediatric vaccines.
Speaker 8: With your midnight reports, I'm we mawing breaking now. Massive
Speaker 8: changes on coming from Health and Human Services Secretary Robert F.
Speaker 8: Kennedy Junior and the CDC. They're eliminating six vaccinations from
Speaker 8: the long standing recommended list for children.
Speaker 2: The CDC announcing it's further reducing the number of vaccines
Speaker 2: it previously recommended for children, effective immediately from seventeen to eleven.
Speaker 1: That means the CDC will no longer recommend that every
Speaker 1: child gets shots for rotavirus, hepatitis A and B, meningitis RSV,
Speaker 1: and the flu.
Speaker 5: The CDC now advising the rotavirus and flu vaccines should
Speaker 5: only be given to a child