1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:02,520 Speaker 1: All right, rolling into the five o'clock hour. John Wilner 2 00:00:02,759 --> 00:00:04,520 Speaker 1: will join us at six o'clock today. I had to 3 00:00:04,519 --> 00:00:06,040 Speaker 1: go a little bit later today at a little UH 4 00:00:06,840 --> 00:00:09,719 Speaker 1: function he had to go to. Or actually, he's in Vegas, right, 5 00:00:09,760 --> 00:00:13,120 Speaker 1: he's at UH. He's doing some UH doing some bowlwark 6 00:00:13,160 --> 00:00:16,320 Speaker 1: postseason working in Vegas. So we'll talk to him in 7 00:00:16,400 --> 00:00:18,520 Speaker 1: an hour. We talked a lot of NFL in the 8 00:00:18,520 --> 00:00:20,320 Speaker 1: first hour, a lot of Huskies in the second hour. 9 00:00:20,400 --> 00:00:24,680 Speaker 1: Haven't really dived into the Seahawks specifically much today after 10 00:00:24,680 --> 00:00:26,680 Speaker 1: spending a lot of time yesterday on it. And we 11 00:00:26,720 --> 00:00:31,320 Speaker 1: stumbled into something yesterday, Hugh, not an argument, it was. 12 00:00:31,680 --> 00:00:34,279 Speaker 1: I don't even know what brought it up. I think 13 00:00:34,320 --> 00:00:37,040 Speaker 1: we were just talking about the elite nature of the defense. 14 00:00:37,200 --> 00:00:39,600 Speaker 1: You were you were talking about the defense, and I 15 00:00:39,680 --> 00:00:43,040 Speaker 1: just started thinking and which is always a dangerous thing. 16 00:00:43,720 --> 00:00:46,680 Speaker 1: And as you were talking, I brought up the schedule, 17 00:00:46,760 --> 00:00:49,279 Speaker 1: and I was looking at the final scores of these games, 18 00:00:49,720 --> 00:00:53,239 Speaker 1: and I got to thinking about Sam Donald. I like 19 00:00:53,320 --> 00:00:56,320 Speaker 1: what Sam Donald's done this year. I was a proponent 20 00:00:56,360 --> 00:00:58,840 Speaker 1: of bringing Sam Donald in. I think Sam Donald has 21 00:00:58,880 --> 00:01:02,800 Speaker 1: been massively better this season than Gino Smith has been 22 00:01:02,920 --> 00:01:05,640 Speaker 1: in Las Vegas. But then I started questioning, all right, 23 00:01:06,800 --> 00:01:11,399 Speaker 1: how many wins has Sam Donald really given us over replacement? 24 00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:17,280 Speaker 1: Because especially recently other than the Rams game, which we lost, 25 00:01:17,360 --> 00:01:20,200 Speaker 1: and every other quarterback would have lost that game anyway, 26 00:01:20,360 --> 00:01:22,600 Speaker 1: that you know, any worse quarterback than Sam would have 27 00:01:22,600 --> 00:01:26,000 Speaker 1: lost that game anyway. You've won all these games by 28 00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:29,000 Speaker 1: blowout fashion, So you can't really look at Sam Donald 29 00:01:29,040 --> 00:01:30,840 Speaker 1: and say, wow, we wouldn't have won that game without 30 00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:33,520 Speaker 1: Sam Donald. So and then that kind of got you 31 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:35,520 Speaker 1: got you going a little bit, Hugh, and so I 32 00:01:35,600 --> 00:01:39,440 Speaker 1: want to just what do you think Sam Donald's war 33 00:01:39,720 --> 00:01:43,360 Speaker 1: is win above replacement? It's such a big baseball term. 34 00:01:43,400 --> 00:01:45,560 Speaker 1: It's not as big as a football term, but it is. 35 00:01:45,840 --> 00:01:49,200 Speaker 1: You know, there is a war stat for quarterbacks. I mean, 36 00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:52,720 Speaker 1: are there is there a stat? Yes, but usually it 37 00:01:52,760 --> 00:01:55,720 Speaker 1: only comes out at the end of seasons. That's the thing. 38 00:01:55,760 --> 00:01:58,360 Speaker 1: I try to find an in season one and I can't. 39 00:01:58,520 --> 00:02:01,400 Speaker 1: And you know, Tom Brady is your career war leader 40 00:02:01,440 --> 00:02:03,600 Speaker 1: in the in the NFL all time, So at least 41 00:02:03,640 --> 00:02:06,120 Speaker 1: that shows some correlation to greatness. 42 00:02:06,160 --> 00:02:09,480 Speaker 2: So well, what is the interesting if you average it 43 00:02:09,480 --> 00:02:10,520 Speaker 2: per season? Right? 44 00:02:10,760 --> 00:02:10,959 Speaker 1: Right? 45 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:14,160 Speaker 2: But I've looked at the war I'm I'm prepared to 46 00:02:14,200 --> 00:02:16,880 Speaker 2: stipulate that it's a good It's both a good idea 47 00:02:16,880 --> 00:02:18,800 Speaker 2: and probably a pretty good stat I. 48 00:02:18,840 --> 00:02:21,440 Speaker 1: Mean, I'm looking at some games. I'm looking at that 49 00:02:21,440 --> 00:02:24,120 Speaker 1: that Pittsburgh game that he played very well in twenty 50 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:26,680 Speaker 1: two of thirty three, two ninety five, a couple of touchdowns, 51 00:02:26,720 --> 00:02:29,120 Speaker 1: did have a couple of sacks or of interceptions in 52 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:33,600 Speaker 1: that game, but it was a two touchdown win that one. Potentially, 53 00:02:33,639 --> 00:02:36,480 Speaker 1: I do think the Cardinal game twenty three to twenty 54 00:02:37,120 --> 00:02:39,200 Speaker 1: he went eighteen of twenty six two forty two and 55 00:02:39,280 --> 00:02:44,440 Speaker 1: a touchdown. And yet the question I was posing was, Okay, 56 00:02:44,440 --> 00:02:48,160 Speaker 1: we're not talking about Sam Donald visa VI, just some 57 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:50,680 Speaker 1: guy off the street like Philip Rivers. We're just talking 58 00:02:50,680 --> 00:02:54,000 Speaker 1: about Sam Donald and maybe the Dictionary definition of average 59 00:02:54,080 --> 00:02:57,519 Speaker 1: quarterback and the average starting quarterback in the NFL. How 60 00:02:57,600 --> 00:03:00,840 Speaker 1: much of a boost do you think the Seahawks have 61 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:02,960 Speaker 1: gotten it? And what games do you think the Seahawks 62 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:04,880 Speaker 1: have gotten that boost from where you can truly say, 63 00:03:04,919 --> 00:03:08,600 Speaker 1: you know what, Sam Darnold was a major reason why 64 00:03:08,680 --> 00:03:09,840 Speaker 1: we won this football game. 65 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:14,440 Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, and when I kind of jumped you, my 66 00:03:14,639 --> 00:03:17,639 Speaker 2: sense as you were kind of looking at it. You know, 67 00:03:18,160 --> 00:03:21,840 Speaker 2: I always try and go follow with the evidence leads, 68 00:03:22,200 --> 00:03:25,960 Speaker 2: evidence first and then conclusion. Right, I felt like you 69 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:29,840 Speaker 2: were going conclusion first, let me find the evidence, you 70 00:03:29,840 --> 00:03:33,080 Speaker 2: call me yes, yes. So that that's when I was 71 00:03:33,160 --> 00:03:36,560 Speaker 2: kind of jamming you on that component of. 72 00:03:36,640 --> 00:03:38,920 Speaker 1: And I think it's because I was going backwards first. 73 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:41,920 Speaker 1: I was going most recent games, and I was like, well, God, 74 00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:44,600 Speaker 1: anybody could have beaten Atlanta, anybody could have beaten Minnesota, 75 00:03:44,640 --> 00:03:47,280 Speaker 1: anybody could have beaten Tennessee, anybody could beat in Arizona 76 00:03:47,320 --> 00:03:48,960 Speaker 1: the last time. I mean, it's like there's just been 77 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:51,960 Speaker 1: so many games where there's the defense was so smothering 78 00:03:52,440 --> 00:03:54,520 Speaker 1: that anybody could have played quarterback and the work. 79 00:03:54,640 --> 00:03:57,960 Speaker 2: Sure, and just because the methodology is wrong doesn't mean 80 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:04,760 Speaker 2: that you didn't advance sound and you know, reasoned outcome 81 00:04:04,880 --> 00:04:08,000 Speaker 2: and conclusion your conclusion. To me, I would say this 82 00:04:08,320 --> 00:04:10,960 Speaker 2: the way I look at it, Okay, you've you've got 83 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:14,680 Speaker 2: ten wins, you're uh, you're in second place in the NFC. 84 00:04:15,480 --> 00:04:19,080 Speaker 2: How many would you have with Gino Smith in looking 85 00:04:19,120 --> 00:04:24,159 Speaker 2: at those games, you say, Pittsburgh their their playoff team. 86 00:04:24,600 --> 00:04:27,000 Speaker 2: Fourth quarter that was that you had a chance to 87 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:30,200 Speaker 2: lose that game. Patrick Queen comes in untouched on a blitz. 88 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:34,400 Speaker 2: Donald Escapes gets a twenty seven yarder and and then 89 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:37,279 Speaker 2: he hits a post route to Injigbah and then the 90 00:04:37,360 --> 00:04:40,200 Speaker 2: kickoff calamity, and next thing you know, you've got a 91 00:04:40,240 --> 00:04:44,680 Speaker 2: two touchdown win. But obviously it wasn't nearly that tight. 92 00:04:44,760 --> 00:04:48,440 Speaker 2: So that was a losable game. At Arizona, the Cardinals 93 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:52,000 Speaker 2: had come back and tied you and Donald had to 94 00:04:52,080 --> 00:04:54,000 Speaker 2: hit a fade route up the right sideline and then 95 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 2: a fade out up the left sideline to to secure 96 00:04:58,720 --> 00:05:01,599 Speaker 2: that game. So you win that game by three. That 97 00:05:01,760 --> 00:05:05,279 Speaker 2: was a losable game. Jacksonville, the jack. You know, you 98 00:05:05,400 --> 00:05:09,960 Speaker 2: got to give credit for a quarterback who's throwing the 99 00:05:10,040 --> 00:05:15,600 Speaker 2: knockout punches early on right. I mean, you could you 100 00:05:15,680 --> 00:05:18,760 Speaker 2: just look at at at his big playability. We're talking 101 00:05:18,760 --> 00:05:22,120 Speaker 2: about the quarterback who's the number one quarterback in the 102 00:05:22,279 --> 00:05:27,320 Speaker 2: NFL in yards pert tempt yards per completion in percentage 103 00:05:27,320 --> 00:05:30,240 Speaker 2: of passes that are over ten yards, percentage of passes 104 00:05:30,320 --> 00:05:32,919 Speaker 2: that are over twenty yards. And then and yet for 105 00:05:33,040 --> 00:05:36,599 Speaker 2: efficiency standpoint, this is an odd one percentage of passes 106 00:05:37,200 --> 00:05:41,200 Speaker 2: over four yards fifty seven percent. That would include incompletions, 107 00:05:41,480 --> 00:05:43,920 Speaker 2: he's number one in the NFL and completion percentage over 108 00:05:43,920 --> 00:05:47,960 Speaker 2: four yards, so there's some efficiency components to it. I 109 00:05:48,279 --> 00:05:50,920 Speaker 2: probably should have kept going Houston. He had that unbelievable 110 00:05:50,960 --> 00:05:54,800 Speaker 2: throw in the second quarter right before halftime. You won, 111 00:05:56,040 --> 00:05:59,120 Speaker 2: but won by you know, a score, twenty seven to nineteen. 112 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:02,599 Speaker 2: That's a hell of a defense. Actually, you watched Josh Allen. 113 00:06:02,720 --> 00:06:08,280 Speaker 2: Josh Allen couldn't beat him. Houston's defense is legit, absolutely legit. Right, 114 00:06:08,360 --> 00:06:11,359 Speaker 2: So that was a losable game. We won't say Washington. 115 00:06:11,720 --> 00:06:15,400 Speaker 2: Let's say we won't say Arizona at home, but then 116 00:06:15,680 --> 00:06:19,120 Speaker 2: you know Tennessee could have they upset. Yeah, they came 117 00:06:19,400 --> 00:06:21,159 Speaker 2: back within a touchdown. You had to make some plays 118 00:06:21,200 --> 00:06:25,440 Speaker 2: at the end. Atlanta was a losable game. Bad quarterback 119 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:29,520 Speaker 2: play in the Atlanta game that you know that was 120 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:32,480 Speaker 2: dancing on the head of a of a pin for 121 00:06:32,520 --> 00:06:36,640 Speaker 2: a half. So so if there's what we say, five 122 00:06:36,760 --> 00:06:41,040 Speaker 2: losable games out of the ten, yeah, would would have No, 123 00:06:41,200 --> 00:06:43,159 Speaker 2: you have to say, would Gino have lost all five? No, 124 00:06:43,240 --> 00:06:45,400 Speaker 2: I'm not gonna say that. Would Gino have won any 125 00:06:45,440 --> 00:06:50,320 Speaker 2: of the three that Donald lost? That's possible. Yeah, I'll 126 00:06:50,360 --> 00:06:53,760 Speaker 2: probably stick to what I said, uh, that it's between 127 00:06:53,800 --> 00:06:57,280 Speaker 2: two and four wins more with Donald in part because 128 00:06:57,320 --> 00:07:03,440 Speaker 2: you like because he's he essentially dick. He's the quarterback 129 00:07:03,480 --> 00:07:07,960 Speaker 2: with the highest slugging percentage in baseball terms. Yeah, Like, 130 00:07:08,080 --> 00:07:11,240 Speaker 2: imagine how you play a team that their four hitter 131 00:07:11,320 --> 00:07:14,040 Speaker 2: or the three hitter is, you know, Aaron Judge, like 132 00:07:14,080 --> 00:07:17,560 Speaker 2: the number one slugger in the league. How does that 133 00:07:17,640 --> 00:07:21,000 Speaker 2: affect everything else? How the defense plays you. So his 134 00:07:21,080 --> 00:07:25,280 Speaker 2: ability to strike and strike deep, he's number one in 135 00:07:25,360 --> 00:07:28,480 Speaker 2: yards per attempt out of play action. His ability to 136 00:07:29,200 --> 00:07:31,280 Speaker 2: get in the first half and go on first down 137 00:07:31,600 --> 00:07:34,880 Speaker 2: and go play action and go Pearl Harbor on your ass, 138 00:07:34,960 --> 00:07:39,080 Speaker 2: drop the house, bombs away and then get those leads. 139 00:07:40,640 --> 00:07:43,360 Speaker 2: I'll stick with. I think that they're two to four 140 00:07:43,400 --> 00:07:45,320 Speaker 2: wins better than and let's say that we're closer to 141 00:07:45,360 --> 00:07:53,560 Speaker 2: two than four. You pay fifty five sixty dollars to 142 00:07:53,680 --> 00:07:57,080 Speaker 2: a starting quarterback who can win you three more games 143 00:07:57,240 --> 00:08:01,440 Speaker 2: than the backup. That's right, The backup worth four million 144 00:08:02,360 --> 00:08:05,920 Speaker 2: can win you within three games as the starter for 145 00:08:06,040 --> 00:08:10,120 Speaker 2: fifty four million. It's not a linear graph, that's right. 146 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:14,800 Speaker 2: You're paying way more for that extra. 147 00:08:14,960 --> 00:08:16,680 Speaker 1: It's an exponential graph. 148 00:08:16,840 --> 00:08:21,200 Speaker 2: Exponential. Absolutely. It's like when I first got in the league, 149 00:08:21,200 --> 00:08:23,160 Speaker 2: I go, okay, I got I got a few secls. 150 00:08:23,560 --> 00:08:25,560 Speaker 2: I like, I love music. Let me let me. You 151 00:08:25,560 --> 00:08:27,640 Speaker 2: know I'm gonna get into high fi. Right, So so 152 00:08:27,720 --> 00:08:32,400 Speaker 2: I bought I bought this unbelievable amp from Threshold Sacramento. 153 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:34,560 Speaker 2: Uh uh, you know I got the four model. So 154 00:08:34,679 --> 00:08:36,600 Speaker 2: thirty five hundred dollars in nineteen eighty six. 155 00:08:36,679 --> 00:08:37,520 Speaker 1: That's a lot of money. 156 00:08:38,040 --> 00:08:40,000 Speaker 2: And you know what, it's the one possession I still 157 00:08:40,040 --> 00:08:42,400 Speaker 2: own that it still operates. I've got, I got it. 158 00:08:42,520 --> 00:08:45,400 Speaker 2: It's one hundred pounds. It's an unbelievable umpire. But you 159 00:08:45,400 --> 00:08:48,360 Speaker 2: know what I realized really soon, like, whoa, this is 160 00:08:48,360 --> 00:08:51,959 Speaker 2: a game I can't win. Maybe Dan Marino can win, 161 00:08:52,480 --> 00:08:56,000 Speaker 2: but I can't win this game, right because you double 162 00:08:56,720 --> 00:08:59,120 Speaker 2: Like if if you say I want to get you 163 00:08:59,120 --> 00:09:03,680 Speaker 2: know back then a seed player for one thousand dollars 164 00:09:04,320 --> 00:09:08,120 Speaker 2: or let's say five hundred dollars to get if you 165 00:09:08,200 --> 00:09:10,439 Speaker 2: go to twenty five hundred, you only getting a ten 166 00:09:10,480 --> 00:09:14,160 Speaker 2: percent increase. Right, the five hundred dollars CD player, it 167 00:09:14,880 --> 00:09:17,520 Speaker 2: sounds ninety five percent as good as the three thousand, right, 168 00:09:17,559 --> 00:09:22,319 Speaker 2: Like you're that's what it's like for quarterbacking. You are 169 00:09:22,520 --> 00:09:28,320 Speaker 2: paying that major surcharge on just a two or three 170 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:32,520 Speaker 2: extra wins because the difference between you know, twelve and 171 00:09:32,760 --> 00:09:37,080 Speaker 2: five and nine and seven, that's everything. You get the 172 00:09:37,120 --> 00:09:39,920 Speaker 2: home field advantage because you won three more games than 173 00:09:39,960 --> 00:09:43,040 Speaker 2: you could because you have a top flight quarterback. And 174 00:09:43,360 --> 00:09:45,560 Speaker 2: a top flight quarterback isn't always going to win the 175 00:09:45,640 --> 00:09:50,120 Speaker 2: game in the last drive. Sometimes he wins the game 176 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:53,240 Speaker 2: in the first half because he just knocked you out. 177 00:09:53,320 --> 00:09:55,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, your your case in point the Houston game, Sam 178 00:09:56,040 --> 00:09:58,800 Speaker 1: Donald took Seattle and had a thirty two yard completion. 179 00:09:59,280 --> 00:10:01,520 Speaker 1: He took Seattle in the second quarter against Houston to 180 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:04,880 Speaker 1: a fourteen nothing lead on a ten play eighty yard drive. 181 00:10:05,200 --> 00:10:08,160 Speaker 1: How many times do you think the Texans defense this 182 00:10:08,240 --> 00:10:12,240 Speaker 1: year has allowed a ten play eighty yard touchdown drive? 183 00:10:12,520 --> 00:10:14,760 Speaker 2: Great point, it might be the only one, Jackson, What 184 00:10:14,800 --> 00:10:16,800 Speaker 2: do you think? What is your gut tell you? I'm 185 00:10:16,880 --> 00:10:19,440 Speaker 2: saying two to four games, probably closer to two at 186 00:10:19,440 --> 00:10:22,559 Speaker 2: this junkster. Ten wins, I'd say maybe you'd have eight 187 00:10:22,600 --> 00:10:28,200 Speaker 2: with Gino. Yeah, seven or eight. Three was the number number. 188 00:10:28,280 --> 00:10:29,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, So I mean right in between for all those 189 00:10:29,800 --> 00:10:31,880 Speaker 1: same reasons. So Geno will be seven and six or 190 00:10:31,920 --> 00:10:35,080 Speaker 1: eight and five. I think say Gino's been seven and 191 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:36,720 Speaker 1: six sole life with us. 192 00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:39,360 Speaker 3: I mean seems you think about like here, here's better 193 00:10:39,400 --> 00:10:41,720 Speaker 3: than last year for sure, Like here's my thought, like 194 00:10:41,880 --> 00:10:46,000 Speaker 3: you put Gino Smith in this offense with this defense, 195 00:10:46,600 --> 00:10:48,600 Speaker 3: and the defense is going to keep you in every 196 00:10:48,640 --> 00:10:51,600 Speaker 3: single game. We know that. So how many games of 197 00:10:51,640 --> 00:10:54,240 Speaker 3: the schedule that we just went through is Gino Smith 198 00:10:54,280 --> 00:10:55,640 Speaker 3: going to be able to perform? 199 00:10:55,679 --> 00:10:58,560 Speaker 1: Like Sam Darld did? I think a few less? Yes? 200 00:10:58,679 --> 00:11:02,520 Speaker 1: And but but I think we all agreed. Gino Gino 201 00:11:02,640 --> 00:11:06,040 Speaker 1: in this offense with this defense looks a lot more 202 00:11:06,080 --> 00:11:08,000 Speaker 1: like Seahawks Gino than he does Raiders. 203 00:11:08,360 --> 00:11:10,960 Speaker 3: The only reason Raiders Geno was Raiders Gino is because 204 00:11:10,960 --> 00:11:13,160 Speaker 3: they decided not to pay or to have or even 205 00:11:13,440 --> 00:11:16,960 Speaker 3: have an offensive line exist. Do you actually I mean, Hugh, 206 00:11:16,960 --> 00:11:19,079 Speaker 3: I don't know. You watch tape. Do we know that 207 00:11:19,120 --> 00:11:22,360 Speaker 3: there is an actual guys in front of him? 208 00:11:22,760 --> 00:11:24,360 Speaker 1: Do we know that it's. 209 00:11:26,920 --> 00:11:29,800 Speaker 2: I think three or four of them are offensive. Uh, 210 00:11:30,160 --> 00:11:33,599 Speaker 2: they're offensive line dressed up, but they're really traffic. Yes, right, No, 211 00:11:33,800 --> 00:11:34,880 Speaker 2: that's exactly that's what I thought. 212 00:11:35,080 --> 00:11:38,120 Speaker 1: You know, there's there's one thing, guys that that now 213 00:11:38,200 --> 00:11:42,400 Speaker 1: has become become a trend. We're talking three games now 214 00:11:42,600 --> 00:11:45,480 Speaker 1: over the last four for Mike McDonald and it's starting 215 00:11:45,480 --> 00:11:47,400 Speaker 1: to bother me, to be perfectly honest with you, love 216 00:11:47,440 --> 00:11:49,880 Speaker 1: what Mike McDonald's doing as the head coach, but this 217 00:11:50,040 --> 00:11:52,679 Speaker 1: clock management at the end of games and the end 218 00:11:52,720 --> 00:11:56,400 Speaker 1: of half's, end of game against La, end of half 219 00:11:56,440 --> 00:11:59,680 Speaker 1: two weeks ago, end of half this week where he 220 00:12:00,280 --> 00:12:05,240 Speaker 1: just like he wants to hoard timeouts for the last 221 00:12:05,559 --> 00:12:09,680 Speaker 1: twenty seconds of halves like the squirrels do at my 222 00:12:09,840 --> 00:12:15,400 Speaker 1: house in September and October. Case in point against, he 223 00:12:15,520 --> 00:12:20,240 Speaker 1: let over fifty percent of the remaining clock time drain 224 00:12:20,320 --> 00:12:23,079 Speaker 1: out by not taking a timeout after a five yard 225 00:12:23,160 --> 00:12:26,640 Speaker 1: run and let it go from fifty one seconds to 226 00:12:26,880 --> 00:12:30,120 Speaker 1: twenty five seconds, and then he runs the ball again 227 00:12:30,280 --> 00:12:33,800 Speaker 1: and takes his first time out of the half with 228 00:12:33,920 --> 00:12:37,120 Speaker 1: twenty two seconds left to go in the half. I mean, now, 229 00:12:37,600 --> 00:12:40,160 Speaker 1: it's worked out the last two weeks because he's gotten 230 00:12:40,240 --> 00:12:42,720 Speaker 1: late field goals at the end, so it has worked 231 00:12:42,720 --> 00:12:45,320 Speaker 1: out for him, but it is has given me a 232 00:12:45,360 --> 00:12:48,560 Speaker 1: heart attack. Hugh yelling at the television or at at 233 00:12:48,600 --> 00:12:51,720 Speaker 1: the stadium last week is this is this an issue 234 00:12:51,880 --> 00:12:53,640 Speaker 1: or is this something? Do you like the fact that, hey, 235 00:12:53,720 --> 00:12:55,280 Speaker 1: he's just keeping as long as he can and he 236 00:12:55,320 --> 00:12:57,640 Speaker 1: knows he's got three plays left and he wants to 237 00:12:57,640 --> 00:13:00,000 Speaker 1: go time out, time out, timeout in the last three plays. 238 00:13:00,240 --> 00:13:04,520 Speaker 2: Have I think that he's got to calibrate his thoughts 239 00:13:04,520 --> 00:13:08,120 Speaker 2: a little differently. I think that particularly when you see, Okay, 240 00:13:08,120 --> 00:13:10,640 Speaker 2: what's the urgency coming up to the line of scrimmage 241 00:13:10,640 --> 00:13:12,880 Speaker 2: after when the clock's running, you know, I think there's 242 00:13:12,960 --> 00:13:16,160 Speaker 2: there's too much time that's that's being whittled off. I mean, 243 00:13:16,240 --> 00:13:18,880 Speaker 2: as you said, there's some of those those plays where 244 00:13:19,480 --> 00:13:22,920 Speaker 2: tackled in bounds where you know, you know, particularly if 245 00:13:22,960 --> 00:13:25,400 Speaker 2: the receivers are far down the field or what have you. 246 00:13:25,400 --> 00:13:27,560 Speaker 2: You just this is the time for the time out. 247 00:13:28,040 --> 00:13:30,720 Speaker 2: And I'm all for saving that final one for the kicker. 248 00:13:30,840 --> 00:13:33,120 Speaker 2: That makes sense. But I agree with you. I think 249 00:13:33,160 --> 00:13:33,840 Speaker 2: it's got to improve. 250 00:13:35,120 --> 00:13:38,320 Speaker 1: Some personnel questions I have for you. One you brought 251 00:13:38,400 --> 00:13:41,520 Speaker 1: up aj Barner yesterday a little bit. He had three 252 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:45,320 Speaker 1: catches for twenty seven yards. He had a barnyard that 253 00:13:45,440 --> 00:13:48,760 Speaker 1: forced an off sides. He is becoming a more prominent 254 00:13:48,920 --> 00:13:54,280 Speaker 1: piece of this offense and I'm wondering when you look 255 00:13:54,280 --> 00:13:57,280 Speaker 1: at Aj Barner, do you see just that, you know, 256 00:13:58,080 --> 00:14:02,800 Speaker 1: a solid tight end, does his job, starting caliber, or 257 00:14:02,880 --> 00:14:07,120 Speaker 1: do you see a guy that eventually could become one 258 00:14:07,160 --> 00:14:10,240 Speaker 1: of these guys that we talk about as being one 259 00:14:10,240 --> 00:14:12,160 Speaker 1: of the better tight ends in the league, you know, 260 00:14:12,240 --> 00:14:13,760 Speaker 1: throw out you know, the same. Maybe not like a 261 00:14:13,800 --> 00:14:15,840 Speaker 1: Trey McBride or Brock Bauers. I think those guys are 262 00:14:15,840 --> 00:14:18,920 Speaker 1: probably on different levels. But the you know, the Sam 263 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:22,240 Speaker 1: Laporta level, the Mark Andrews level over the last few years, 264 00:14:22,280 --> 00:14:24,880 Speaker 1: I mean, those those type of guys that you're like, hey, 265 00:14:25,120 --> 00:14:27,040 Speaker 1: we're gonna give another contract to this guy. This is 266 00:14:27,080 --> 00:14:28,960 Speaker 1: a guy that we want to pay decent money to 267 00:14:29,240 --> 00:14:31,120 Speaker 1: over the next four or five years on this team. 268 00:14:31,320 --> 00:14:34,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that he's vaulted a lot. I certainly 269 00:14:34,400 --> 00:14:37,480 Speaker 2: think more of him now than I did a year ago. 270 00:14:38,120 --> 00:14:39,800 Speaker 2: You know, I think there was a little part of 271 00:14:39,800 --> 00:14:41,720 Speaker 2: me this like, yeah, we got the Michigan tight end, 272 00:14:42,080 --> 00:14:46,320 Speaker 2: but it's not close and leveling right, right, But you know, 273 00:14:46,920 --> 00:14:49,280 Speaker 2: standing watching him in training camp and just kind of 274 00:14:49,280 --> 00:14:51,560 Speaker 2: watching him block and what have you. First of all, 275 00:14:51,600 --> 00:14:56,480 Speaker 2: he has an incredible frame, like like crazy, like I 276 00:14:56,520 --> 00:14:58,760 Speaker 2: don't know, if the dude's married. I'm happily married to 277 00:14:59,160 --> 00:15:01,240 Speaker 2: one woman my whole life. But I got two eyes 278 00:15:01,280 --> 00:15:04,960 Speaker 2: that dude has. If you are a single chick and 279 00:15:05,080 --> 00:15:09,240 Speaker 2: you've got an I would be dming freaking that that 280 00:15:09,360 --> 00:15:11,920 Speaker 2: dude is. He's got like a twenty seven inch waist, 281 00:15:12,640 --> 00:15:16,080 Speaker 2: like he's got I just want his frame one week 282 00:15:16,920 --> 00:15:19,280 Speaker 2: and oh my god, my wife won't let me out 283 00:15:19,320 --> 00:15:21,800 Speaker 2: of bed. I mean, that guy is a is a 284 00:15:22,160 --> 00:15:27,200 Speaker 2: a dunnis and I mean and in every way, head 285 00:15:27,240 --> 00:15:31,320 Speaker 2: to toe, and I'm like, WHOA. That dude is an athlete. 286 00:15:32,160 --> 00:15:33,920 Speaker 2: He is a freaking athlete. 287 00:15:34,160 --> 00:15:37,160 Speaker 1: And well, you know he has to have superior strength 288 00:15:37,160 --> 00:15:39,880 Speaker 1: that they're using him in the barnyard. The tush push, 289 00:15:39,920 --> 00:15:42,720 Speaker 1: you know. The dude's just got yeah, fantallic he can 290 00:15:42,840 --> 00:15:44,760 Speaker 1: squat five hundred pounds, pull. 291 00:15:44,760 --> 00:15:48,080 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, no, I mean everything his lower body is 292 00:15:48,160 --> 00:15:50,520 Speaker 2: upper body. I mean he he is, So there is 293 00:15:50,560 --> 00:15:53,480 Speaker 2: a there's an athleticism to that guy. I think he 294 00:15:53,600 --> 00:15:57,320 Speaker 2: moves better than maybe I thought, stronger than maybe I thought, 295 00:15:57,360 --> 00:15:58,960 Speaker 2: you know, tall, you know, I think I think he 296 00:15:59,040 --> 00:16:02,200 Speaker 2: presents a big tar, and so I think he's probably 297 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:06,480 Speaker 2: in the second quadrant. You say, first of all, is 298 00:16:06,480 --> 00:16:09,000 Speaker 2: he above the median. I think he's above the median, 299 00:16:09,920 --> 00:16:11,880 Speaker 2: but we're just judging him again starting tight end, so 300 00:16:11,920 --> 00:16:14,520 Speaker 2: I'm not certain he's above the median. I mean, you know, right, 301 00:16:14,600 --> 00:16:15,920 Speaker 2: I mean that means you've got to be in the 302 00:16:15,960 --> 00:16:20,360 Speaker 2: top sixteen obviously, right. I don't think he's a top 303 00:16:20,480 --> 00:16:23,120 Speaker 2: level you know, he's not a top eight tight end, 304 00:16:23,160 --> 00:16:25,120 Speaker 2: I don't think, but I think so. I think he's 305 00:16:25,120 --> 00:16:28,520 Speaker 2: in the second quadrant with an ability to to maybe 306 00:16:28,600 --> 00:16:32,400 Speaker 2: in his best years, push into the first quadrant. I 307 00:16:32,440 --> 00:16:35,280 Speaker 2: don't know that he has the long speed to ever 308 00:16:36,480 --> 00:16:39,520 Speaker 2: be a great pass catch, to be great great, but 309 00:16:40,520 --> 00:16:44,400 Speaker 2: you know, you know, the improvement level has been pretty steep. 310 00:16:44,960 --> 00:16:48,320 Speaker 2: So I'm happy with him. And I like how how 311 00:16:48,640 --> 00:16:50,880 Speaker 2: kouobiat kind of you know, he'll do a tight end 312 00:16:50,920 --> 00:16:53,760 Speaker 2: screen or do a delay and and it seems like 313 00:16:53,920 --> 00:16:57,720 Speaker 2: Barner's been the guy that's helped Darnold get out of 314 00:16:57,760 --> 00:17:01,800 Speaker 2: funks when he's been in one interesting you got me. Yes, 315 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:03,560 Speaker 2: he's had a hell of a season, Darnold. It's a 316 00:17:03,600 --> 00:17:08,320 Speaker 2: coal level season. But the times he's slumped oftentimes, when 317 00:17:08,359 --> 00:17:10,320 Speaker 2: you look at that, oh, there's the drive that got 318 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:13,240 Speaker 2: him out of the slump. Barner's usually been featured a 319 00:17:13,240 --> 00:17:15,920 Speaker 2: couple of times or there's a big completion in there. 320 00:17:16,040 --> 00:17:18,240 Speaker 2: So yeah, No, I like the guy, and I like 321 00:17:18,280 --> 00:17:19,800 Speaker 2: his his trend. 322 00:17:19,880 --> 00:17:22,720 Speaker 1: When we come back, a guy that Hugh doesn't really 323 00:17:22,800 --> 00:17:24,920 Speaker 1: like his trend, that would be Anthony Bradford. And I'm 324 00:17:24,960 --> 00:17:26,920 Speaker 1: wondering if Anthony brad is going to lose his starting 325 00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:29,480 Speaker 1: job because we got Jalen Sundell coming back. Is he 326 00:17:29,520 --> 00:17:32,199 Speaker 1: going to play center or is he gonna play right guard? 327 00:17:32,640 --> 00:17:34,520 Speaker 1: We'll talk about that next on ninety three point three 328 00:17:34,600 --> 00:17:35,040 Speaker 1: kJ ERAP. 329 00:17:35,160 --> 00:17:37,280 Speaker 4: This is Duke of Duke Seafood and this hour is 330 00:17:37,280 --> 00:17:39,600 Speaker 4: brought to you by Duke's Seafood. Why don't you make 331 00:17:39,600 --> 00:17:42,439 Speaker 4: it at Duke's Night tonight. Reserve your table today at 332 00:17:42,520 --> 00:17:46,399 Speaker 4: Dukeseafood dot com. Now back to Softy and Dick on 333 00:17:46,480 --> 00:17:49,920 Speaker 4: Sports Radio ninety three point three KJR. 334 00:17:49,560 --> 00:17:53,359 Speaker 1: FM, Softian Deck without the soft on one more day. 335 00:17:53,359 --> 00:17:56,880 Speaker 1: I'll be back tomorrow. Jackson is here, Hugh is here. 336 00:17:56,920 --> 00:17:59,760 Speaker 1: We're talking Seahawk football here in this five o'clock hour. 337 00:18:00,040 --> 00:18:03,560 Speaker 1: John Wilner will join us at six lots and lots 338 00:18:03,560 --> 00:18:07,720 Speaker 1: and lots to get to John Wilner definitely got to 339 00:18:07,800 --> 00:18:12,120 Speaker 1: chat about Notre Dame and their various decisions by their 340 00:18:12,160 --> 00:18:16,480 Speaker 1: athletic director over the last forty eight hours. But you know, 341 00:18:16,520 --> 00:18:19,680 Speaker 1: let's let's talk a little bit about this offensive line 342 00:18:19,720 --> 00:18:23,159 Speaker 1: situation with the Seahawks. Hugh and Jalen Sendel is going 343 00:18:23,240 --> 00:18:25,119 Speaker 1: to be back for the first time in a month. 344 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:28,560 Speaker 1: And the question now is, you know he was playing 345 00:18:28,560 --> 00:18:32,360 Speaker 1: center before ol who's been playing center? Now You've got 346 00:18:32,359 --> 00:18:36,359 Speaker 1: Anthony Bradford at right guard. And the question, let's start 347 00:18:36,359 --> 00:18:39,760 Speaker 1: with Jalen Sendel himself, like what type of upgrade is 348 00:18:39,800 --> 00:18:43,000 Speaker 1: this going to be putting Jalen Sundell back in the 349 00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:45,240 Speaker 1: lineup at either position? What have you thought of the 350 00:18:45,320 --> 00:18:46,920 Speaker 1: job that he's done, because I think he's a guy 351 00:18:46,920 --> 00:18:50,240 Speaker 1: that probably has been forgotten, maybe the most forgotten starter 352 00:18:50,359 --> 00:18:51,879 Speaker 1: on this football team this season. 353 00:18:52,240 --> 00:18:56,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, really good athlete moves well in space, 354 00:18:57,359 --> 00:19:00,480 Speaker 2: you know, you know, whether it's screens or any kind 355 00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:02,040 Speaker 2: of pin and poll if he has to do that 356 00:19:02,400 --> 00:19:04,679 Speaker 2: or you know, get to a second level where it's 357 00:19:04,720 --> 00:19:08,040 Speaker 2: a tough reach block. His feet are really good. His 358 00:19:08,040 --> 00:19:11,439 Speaker 2: his downside is that he just isn't real strong, so 359 00:19:11,480 --> 00:19:14,760 Speaker 2: he's succept susceptible to bull rush in times where just 360 00:19:14,880 --> 00:19:17,720 Speaker 2: you know, there's a low center of gravity, gravity guy, 361 00:19:17,760 --> 00:19:19,560 Speaker 2: strong guy getting into him and make him move him 362 00:19:19,560 --> 00:19:23,640 Speaker 2: pretty good. So I think that he had a good rapport. 363 00:19:23,920 --> 00:19:27,719 Speaker 2: Uh and you know, smart guy that that probably handled 364 00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:32,680 Speaker 2: the offensive line H calls well. But uh, yeah, I 365 00:19:32,960 --> 00:19:36,800 Speaker 2: think he's a better athlete than Olu. Maybe not quite 366 00:19:36,840 --> 00:19:40,080 Speaker 2: as strong, but overall, I would say he performed has 367 00:19:40,160 --> 00:19:42,640 Speaker 2: performed better this year at center than Olu. 368 00:19:43,760 --> 00:19:46,760 Speaker 1: He's perform an upgrade over Olu. And so the question 369 00:19:46,960 --> 00:19:51,760 Speaker 1: then being does the right guard spot change at all? 370 00:19:51,880 --> 00:19:54,960 Speaker 1: And is with Sundell. It doesn't sound like Sundell's strong enough. 371 00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:57,320 Speaker 1: You're talking about the lack of strength. I mean, don't 372 00:19:57,359 --> 00:19:59,439 Speaker 1: you don't you just have to be physically stronger at 373 00:19:59,480 --> 00:20:01,240 Speaker 1: right guard and you do it center because usually the 374 00:20:01,280 --> 00:20:02,960 Speaker 1: centers are a lot smaller than guards are. 375 00:20:04,040 --> 00:20:07,320 Speaker 2: He has a general rule. Yeah, you need to be strong. 376 00:20:07,440 --> 00:20:09,080 Speaker 2: I mean you can make up for it if you 377 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:11,280 Speaker 2: don't have strong you know, if you have length or 378 00:20:11,320 --> 00:20:14,760 Speaker 2: athleticism and technique. Uh, you don't have to be strong. 379 00:20:14,840 --> 00:20:18,920 Speaker 2: But but you know, as I said, Sundell, because he 380 00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:21,920 Speaker 2: he lacks strength, he has to be better uh at 381 00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:26,479 Speaker 2: technique and so overall he's just a better center than 382 00:20:26,520 --> 00:20:29,480 Speaker 2: Olu a timmy and I believe he would be a 383 00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:35,919 Speaker 2: better guard than Anthony Bradford. The question is, are you 384 00:20:36,040 --> 00:20:39,680 Speaker 2: better off with Sundell at center and keeping Bradford or 385 00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:44,240 Speaker 2: do you experiment around and maybe think Olu Olu is 386 00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:46,600 Speaker 2: a better center than Bradford is a guard. 387 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:48,959 Speaker 1: Right, That's that's the question, the upgrade. 388 00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:52,000 Speaker 2: But then, but then you don't want to lose you 389 00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:54,640 Speaker 2: you know, if your comparative advantage with Sundal is that 390 00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:59,760 Speaker 2: you know, he's he's a you know, good very I 391 00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:02,520 Speaker 2: don't say very good. If he's a good center and 392 00:21:02,560 --> 00:21:05,800 Speaker 2: an average guard, maybe it doesn't make as much sense. 393 00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:07,560 Speaker 2: Does that make you follow me on that? Yes? 394 00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:11,560 Speaker 1: And Craig Man wrong, Olu has played guard, just not 395 00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:16,120 Speaker 1: as much as center, right correct, and and and compare 396 00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:19,439 Speaker 1: Olu as a guard to Bradford is a right guard. 397 00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:22,959 Speaker 2: Well, we don't have a lot of reps from Olu 398 00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:27,320 Speaker 2: as a guard, but it's hard to you know, this 399 00:21:27,359 --> 00:21:29,159 Speaker 2: is a bad week to pick on Bradford. He had 400 00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:31,160 Speaker 2: a good game, you know, and good for him. I'm 401 00:21:31,160 --> 00:21:35,199 Speaker 2: glad that he did. You know, he's still you know, 402 00:21:35,240 --> 00:21:37,800 Speaker 2: out of one hundred and twenty seven guards, he's ranked 403 00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:40,840 Speaker 2: one hundred and fifth out of all plays, He's a 404 00:21:41,560 --> 00:21:43,840 Speaker 2: hundred and eighth out of pass blocking. I mean that's 405 00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:46,720 Speaker 2: pretty much commensurate with what I see on tape. 406 00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:49,800 Speaker 1: One of the things you're changing subjects a little bit. 407 00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:52,360 Speaker 1: One of the things I've been really impressed with is 408 00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:55,720 Speaker 1: the ability of this team in Jalenson. Dell's really one 409 00:21:55,720 --> 00:21:59,159 Speaker 1: of these guys. The ability for these guys, whether it 410 00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:01,560 Speaker 1: be Mike McDonald than his scheme, or whether it be 411 00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:05,480 Speaker 1: John Schneider and just his talent evaluation grabbing some of 412 00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:09,439 Speaker 1: these diamonds in the rough. I mean, Sundell, look on 413 00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:15,399 Speaker 1: the defense, Ocada, Drake Thomas, Patrick O'Connell. I mean, is 414 00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:21,959 Speaker 1: this is this excellent scouting by John Schneider? I mean, yeah, 415 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:25,120 Speaker 1: the answer is probably yes and yes. But which would 416 00:22:25,119 --> 00:22:28,159 Speaker 1: you tip the scales excellent scouting by John Schneider, or 417 00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:30,160 Speaker 1: particularly on the defensive side of the ball with guys 418 00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:34,159 Speaker 1: like Ocada, Thomas and O'Connell. That just Mike McDonald's scheme 419 00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:36,880 Speaker 1: is so awesome that it's in a way it's kind 420 00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:38,240 Speaker 1: of plug and play for guys. 421 00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:43,119 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a great question. And I think pre dating McDonald, 422 00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:46,159 Speaker 2: Snyder had had success with you know, Baldwin and you know, 423 00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:49,320 Speaker 2: there was a time where the Seahawks were number one 424 00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:53,560 Speaker 2: in the NFL and use of active free agents, and 425 00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:59,800 Speaker 2: I think that they the Seahawks under under Snyder's direction, 426 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:02,159 Speaker 2: they kind of look for those guys that have a 427 00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:03,960 Speaker 2: little bit of a chip on their shoulder and gonna 428 00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:08,159 Speaker 2: play angry and and maybe you know, just gonna give 429 00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:10,359 Speaker 2: you a little bit more. I mean, I'm blown away 430 00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:15,000 Speaker 2: at Drake Thomas. If you'd have told me that Drake 431 00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:18,399 Speaker 2: Thomas was just gonna unsee Tyree Knight because he'd play better, 432 00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:22,280 Speaker 2: I would not have believed that. I had no way 433 00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:25,280 Speaker 2: did I see that coming. Tyocotta playing as well as 434 00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:29,120 Speaker 2: he had it, ty Oconna was barely even gonna make 435 00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:34,160 Speaker 2: the team. Remember, like everybody thought Jared uh, not Jared 436 00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:38,480 Speaker 2: but but Jared Reed, Jeric Reed, h Jerck Reid was 437 00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:41,520 Speaker 2: gonna make it. Then o'cata had that great preseason game 438 00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:44,680 Speaker 2: against Green Bay. Seemingly maybe McDonald just knew it all along. 439 00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:47,240 Speaker 2: He was gonna have Ocatta but kinda makes that one 440 00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:51,600 Speaker 2: handed interception deep down the field. He looked like uh, 441 00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:54,800 Speaker 2: Jerry Rice making the catch and then and then but 442 00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:57,040 Speaker 2: then the next series he comes up and he and 443 00:23:57,119 --> 00:24:01,240 Speaker 2: he fills on a on a bounce play. That running 444 00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:03,679 Speaker 2: back had come backside and was trying to get outside 445 00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:05,360 Speaker 2: and he just came up and just chopped him down. 446 00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:09,359 Speaker 2: And I'm like, whoa. The the one head catch was impressive, 447 00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:12,119 Speaker 2: but that that's just kind of lucky. That play right there, 448 00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:16,360 Speaker 2: that's a legit, big time football play. And he kind 449 00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:18,480 Speaker 2: of did those plays back to back against the Packers. 450 00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:21,320 Speaker 2: The next thing he makes a team I'm painting a 451 00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:24,920 Speaker 2: picture like he he barely made it, and then now 452 00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:27,320 Speaker 2: look how good he is. I'm not sure if that's accurate. 453 00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:31,399 Speaker 2: As again, maybe Mike McDonald, if he's driving, he'd be laughing, going, no, dude, 454 00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:33,440 Speaker 2: Okada was gonna make it all along. Well, there weren't 455 00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:36,359 Speaker 2: any signs that that was gonna happen. But what to 456 00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:42,080 Speaker 2: your to your question, These these guys that you know undersize, uh, 457 00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:47,639 Speaker 2: you know, maybe maybe not great athletes, but they're making 458 00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:52,119 Speaker 2: up for it by their quick recognition and by their toughness, 459 00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:56,679 Speaker 2: their aware awareness of where their help is. Uh, you know, 460 00:24:56,720 --> 00:24:59,320 Speaker 2: they're they will stick their face in the fan every 461 00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:03,080 Speaker 2: single time like they they are not There is no 462 00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:05,720 Speaker 2: breaks when they go to hit somebody. Now they don't 463 00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:09,560 Speaker 2: have you know, Bam BAM's body, So we're not seeing 464 00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:12,960 Speaker 2: these knockouts. But they're giving you everything they have and 465 00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:17,040 Speaker 2: clearly playing the way Mike McDonald wants some question. Okay, 466 00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:20,840 Speaker 2: So so I think I think it's a combination. That's 467 00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:22,320 Speaker 2: that's a lame answer. 468 00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:26,360 Speaker 1: But the truth well, this run of the Seahawks defense 469 00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:29,800 Speaker 1: facing backup quarterbacks, either backups from the beginning of the 470 00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:31,720 Speaker 1: game or the backup comes in the middle of the 471 00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:34,800 Speaker 1: game like Marcus Mariota had to do for Jayden Daniels. 472 00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:36,560 Speaker 1: I mean, you went from that game, you went from 473 00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:40,560 Speaker 1: that game to Jacoby Brissette. Then you did play Matthew Stafford, 474 00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:42,720 Speaker 1: and you did play cam Ward Starters, but then you 475 00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:45,960 Speaker 1: played Max Brosmer, and then you played backup Kirk Cousins, 476 00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:50,080 Speaker 1: and now you're playing backup I don't know. Maybe Philip 477 00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:54,160 Speaker 1: Rivers Frank Reich was interviewed today, Rivers's old coach, now 478 00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:57,720 Speaker 1: coached at Stanford this past year. He said, it'll be 479 00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:01,440 Speaker 1: familiar for Philip, It'll be easy. I have zero concerns 480 00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:04,280 Speaker 1: about that. Give me a quick take on forty four 481 00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:07,280 Speaker 1: year old Philip Rivers. If he's got to play quarterback 482 00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:11,880 Speaker 1: for there's just no way he knows the offense. If 483 00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:14,560 Speaker 1: if he can go out and he can beat the 484 00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:18,400 Speaker 1: dark side, which is what de La wants to call 485 00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:20,040 Speaker 1: the defense, if that's what he wants to call him, 486 00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:23,760 Speaker 1: then fine. If he can do that, then forget the 487 00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:25,880 Speaker 1: five years waiting for the Hall of Fame. Just put 488 00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:29,800 Speaker 1: him in on Monday. In no way do I believe 489 00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:32,960 Speaker 1: that that's gonna happen. And but you know what, Look, 490 00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:37,520 Speaker 1: Seattle's been fortunate. There's no question even prior. You know 491 00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:41,439 Speaker 1: who a week ago, hell, four days ago. If you 492 00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:43,800 Speaker 1: looked up the highest scoring team in the NFL, do 493 00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:48,000 Speaker 1: you know who it was? Up? It's all week ago, Dallas, 494 00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:50,120 Speaker 1: the Colts up until four days ago. 495 00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:52,960 Speaker 2: Wow it They only got knocked out of the number 496 00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:56,480 Speaker 2: one scoring position by virtue of last this past Sunday, 497 00:26:56,520 --> 00:26:59,879 Speaker 2: two days AGO's game. So, and I actually did a 498 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:03,920 Speaker 2: breakdown on the thirty thirteen. Mike Tannenbaum asked me to 499 00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:06,720 Speaker 2: break down Daniel Jones. He didn't know that I had 500 00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:09,360 Speaker 2: been a prior fan of his, So it worked out. 501 00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:14,919 Speaker 2: But I looked at extensively at the Colts tape and 502 00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:18,400 Speaker 2: you know, every single play up to that point. And 503 00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:22,199 Speaker 2: they've got some dudes. Now they they've got targets. I 504 00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:27,200 Speaker 2: was extremely impressed that Ty Warren the tight end hotly 505 00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:34,120 Speaker 2: cow and they got this little guy, Josh Downs. He 506 00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:37,080 Speaker 2: was wearing number one, but when they acquire Sauce Gardener, 507 00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:39,440 Speaker 2: now he wears number two. He's like one hundred and 508 00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:42,720 Speaker 2: sixty five pounds, but they use him and they match 509 00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:45,320 Speaker 2: him up. He is so damn quick. He's a tough cover. 510 00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:49,240 Speaker 2: You've heard of Michael Pittman, right, But Alec Pierce, you know, 511 00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:51,280 Speaker 2: Alec Peerson to the last two years, has been like 512 00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:55,199 Speaker 2: number one in yardsberg catch. They got number fourteen. This 513 00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:59,160 Speaker 2: is a big, tall receiver, doesn't run great, but man 514 00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:03,680 Speaker 2: can he finish. I mean they've got they have got studs. 515 00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:05,720 Speaker 2: And of course they got Jonathan Taylor. I mean this was, 516 00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:08,840 Speaker 2: you know, in a deficient offensive line. This was an 517 00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:11,800 Speaker 2: offense that, let me say it again, until this Sunday 518 00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:14,840 Speaker 2: was number one in the NFL and points. And so 519 00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:18,080 Speaker 2: I don't think they'd have the trigger man to make 520 00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:22,520 Speaker 2: it happen whatsoever. I think I think Seattle glides easily 521 00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:25,640 Speaker 2: on this, but I could be wrong because that there's 522 00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:29,040 Speaker 2: some potency to that offense. But you know, you raise 523 00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:32,960 Speaker 2: the question like, Okay, Seattle got lucky. There's no question, 524 00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:36,080 Speaker 2: period and of story. Anybody who says otherwise, they're just, 525 00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:39,120 Speaker 2: you know, blind luck. They didn't have to play the Colts. 526 00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:40,680 Speaker 2: The Colts were going to be on their schedule no 527 00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:44,320 Speaker 2: matter what. It could have been the first week in October, 528 00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:46,640 Speaker 2: and Seattle would have had their freaking hands full. 529 00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:48,880 Speaker 1: Oh, there's no question we're playing the Colts at the 530 00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:51,080 Speaker 1: right time. But we played Tama time, you know. 531 00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:54,520 Speaker 2: Just to underscore the point. Two thousand and two, the 532 00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:57,000 Speaker 2: Buccaneers beat the Raiders in the Super Bowl handling. That 533 00:28:57,040 --> 00:29:00,120 Speaker 2: was an unbelievable defense. Brad Johnson was a quarterback. All 534 00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:03,880 Speaker 2: those Buccaneers have Super Bowl rings. Answer me this question, 535 00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:08,120 Speaker 2: how many backup quarterbacks did the Buccaneers defense play that year? 536 00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:10,480 Speaker 1: Well, because you're asking, I'll probably say like seven or eight? 537 00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:13,320 Speaker 2: You know what I am asking because I don't know. 538 00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:14,440 Speaker 2: I didn't look it up. 539 00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:18,800 Speaker 1: I got okay, I don't know. You don't know matter 540 00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:21,200 Speaker 1: they won, they won the games, and god the you. 541 00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:24,200 Speaker 2: Think anybody, Yeah, you think at the at the holiday party, 542 00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:27,120 Speaker 2: anybody looks at the ring goes, how many backup quarterbacks 543 00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:29,800 Speaker 2: did you play that? You know, you got the freaking hardware. 544 00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:33,080 Speaker 2: So so you know what the sports got. You know, 545 00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:34,840 Speaker 2: the football gods are going to smile on you, and 546 00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:36,680 Speaker 2: sometimes they're going to kick you in the and then 547 00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:38,920 Speaker 2: you know, and the jewels and and you know when 548 00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:40,680 Speaker 2: they smile on you, you just say thank you. You know, 549 00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:42,000 Speaker 2: you pick up your ball and you go to the 550 00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:43,720 Speaker 2: next hole. Hey, when that's what they have with the 551 00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:44,680 Speaker 2: Colts on center. 552 00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:47,920 Speaker 1: When we get back, an interesting name being tossed about 553 00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:50,200 Speaker 1: as a potential head coach of the Washington State Cougar. 554 00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:51,680 Speaker 1: So I'm gonna give you my thoughts and get hughes 555 00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:53,400 Speaker 1: as well. On ninety three point three kJ. 556 00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:55,840 Speaker 4: RFM, this is Duke of Duke Seafood and this hour 557 00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:58,200 Speaker 4: is brought to you by Duke's Seafood. Why don't you 558 00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:01,040 Speaker 4: make it a Duke's night tonight. Deserve your table today 559 00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:04,840 Speaker 4: at dukesefood dot com. Now back to Softy and Dick 560 00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:10,840 Speaker 4: on Sports Radio ninety three point three KJRFM. 561 00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:13,000 Speaker 1: John Willho is going to join us in the next segment, 562 00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:18,520 Speaker 1: talking all things, college football playoffs, Hugh speaking of college football, 563 00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:23,760 Speaker 1: speaking of college athletics. Twenty two years ago, Dick Bennett 564 00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:27,040 Speaker 1: was hire as the head basketball coach at Washington State University, 565 00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:30,440 Speaker 1: and they went on a run three years with Dick 566 00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:33,920 Speaker 1: Bennett and then multiple years with his son, Tony Bennett, 567 00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:37,719 Speaker 1: and it was the greatest Cougar stretch of basketball in 568 00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:43,240 Speaker 1: this entire by far, in this entire century, and best 569 00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:46,960 Speaker 1: even more so than probably George Raveling back in the days. 570 00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:49,920 Speaker 1: The football team has got an opportunity to do something 571 00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:53,960 Speaker 1: very very similar. Rick new Eisl is out there. He 572 00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:58,920 Speaker 1: has expressed interest in the job, his son waiting in 573 00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:01,440 Speaker 1: the wings. You could have Rick as the head coach 574 00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:03,680 Speaker 1: for a couple three years, You could have Jerry's head 575 00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:05,920 Speaker 1: coach for a couple three years, and you could eliminate 576 00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:10,560 Speaker 1: the uncertainty that is the Cougar head coaching position, where 577 00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:13,680 Speaker 1: guys can leave after eleven and a half months, like 578 00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:16,120 Speaker 1: what just happened. I think it's a good idea. What 579 00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:16,600 Speaker 1: do you think? 580 00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:21,040 Speaker 2: I think it's a good idea. I think that I 581 00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:23,920 Speaker 2: first of all, I commend Rick for wanting to get 582 00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:26,040 Speaker 2: back in the arena. I think that some guys have 583 00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:30,800 Speaker 2: a calling and and all of the the gratification that 584 00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:36,120 Speaker 2: you get from interacting and impacting positively the lives of 585 00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:41,040 Speaker 2: young guys. I think that some guys it really gives 586 00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:44,840 Speaker 2: them fulfillment. And I'm thinking while I'm talking of one 587 00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:47,920 Speaker 2: of my best friends, Jim Mora, who went to Yukon 588 00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:51,760 Speaker 2: and you know, he just he had he had a 589 00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:55,880 Speaker 2: great deal going in Custom House in Sun Valley, you know, 590 00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:59,440 Speaker 2: a place in LA Like, he didn't need to coach, right, 591 00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:02,400 Speaker 2: but he he just he had this drive that he 592 00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:05,920 Speaker 2: wanted to be, you know, back in the competition and 593 00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:09,840 Speaker 2: back into influencing kids positively. And I think you probably 594 00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:12,240 Speaker 2: know Yukon nine and three. They've got more wins in 595 00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:15,160 Speaker 2: the last two years and eight against ACC teams than 596 00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:18,840 Speaker 2: Florida State. And they're not they're they're an independent. Well 597 00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:22,200 Speaker 2: he's yeah, he's. 598 00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:24,200 Speaker 1: Done such a good job at Yukon that it's he's 599 00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:26,360 Speaker 1: been on the on the list if Jed, if Jed 600 00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:28,640 Speaker 1: were to leave, he's now on the list for the 601 00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:29,240 Speaker 1: for the US. 602 00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:32,120 Speaker 2: He's one of the twelve finalists for the College Coach 603 00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:34,560 Speaker 2: of the Year. But so, but at your point is 604 00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:36,320 Speaker 2: there's some similarities. 605 00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:37,920 Speaker 1: I do, and I and back to your point on 606 00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:41,800 Speaker 1: on Rick, you know giving a you know, giving up 607 00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:46,360 Speaker 1: what is a freaking unbelievable life man. Rick is playing Riviera, 608 00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:49,680 Speaker 1: Rick is playing l A c. C Rick is making 609 00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:52,760 Speaker 1: a good living front CBS. I mean, and to move 610 00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:57,880 Speaker 1: to Pullman after. I mean, you're going, that's that's incredible 611 00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:01,360 Speaker 1: that you would have that type of commitment to the 612 00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:05,080 Speaker 1: coaching profession as well as, let's face it, trying to 613 00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:08,640 Speaker 1: help your son get a Division one football job. Still 614 00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:10,320 Speaker 1: that's saying a lot. 615 00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:14,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, it would be more money presumably that he's 616 00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:18,480 Speaker 2: making with the network, not implying that that money is 617 00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:23,440 Speaker 2: you know, central, a secondary or even a tertiary issue. 618 00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:26,200 Speaker 2: I think, as I said, I think he just feels 619 00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:28,880 Speaker 2: a compulsion to go. He's already coached three teams in 620 00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:33,600 Speaker 2: the conference, so I think, I don't know, maybe there's 621 00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:35,640 Speaker 2: something I'm overlooking, but it seems like it'd be good 622 00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:37,200 Speaker 2: for Wazoo and it'd be good for Rick. 623 00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:39,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I think. So let's talk about it with 624 00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:40,600 Speaker 1: John Wilner coming up right after the top of the 625 00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:42,680 Speaker 1: hour Headlines on ninety three point three KJRFM