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Speaker 1: It's nice with Dan Ray on Boston's Knew Radio.

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Speaker 2: By the way, before we thank you very much Dan Watkins.

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Speaker 2: Before we get to our topic for the eleven o'clock hour,

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Speaker 2: in a little bit of trouble. We'll get to that

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Speaker 2: to Bradley Jay who sat in for me on Friday

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Speaker 2: night gave me the opportunity to spend three and a

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Speaker 2: the nineteen eighties. Bob O Bell was there at Casey

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Speaker 2: Kopp and Joyce called Haywick, the list, Hampton Pearson. The

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Speaker 2: list went on and on. People who were both on

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Speaker 2: There were people who I started with, the people who

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Speaker 2: Carmen Fields was there. She said hello, there were just

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Speaker 2: Alan Miller was there. I know, I'm gonna, you know,

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Speaker 2: unfortunately not mention everybody. Freendzine Akbar who was one of

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Speaker 2: South Boston who just great people, all of whom had

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Speaker 2: wonderful event. People were doing well. Some people brought pictures

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Speaker 2: Bob Davis, who used to was one of our great

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Speaker 3: visiting professor at Harvard fired a pelagan near a synagogue

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Speaker 2: Semitic violence, yeah, I can understand that now. Harmid Dillon,

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Speaker 2: Professor Govilla with his pelic gun. He placed the gun

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Speaker 2: fueled by anti Semitism. This guy said he was out

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Speaker 2: But I suspect that the Harvard professor, the visiting professor,

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Speaker 2: he said one. He wasn't available. He wasn't aware that

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Speaker 2: it's a synagogue. Okay, if you'll live next door to it. Now,

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Speaker 1: Right after this, you're on night Side with Dan Ray

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Speaker 2: Guy's go to the phones, and again, I'm I would

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Speaker 2: love to know that the premise of my doing this story,

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Speaker 2: no one was injured. But do you think that the

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Speaker 2: I think the Harvard Law School professor we'll receive. I'm

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Speaker 4: Oh yes, please please listen to you. You know, we

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Speaker 4: Yes, everything's mind and yeah. So anyway, but what she

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Speaker 2: Well maybe he was, but I think his timing and

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Speaker 2: Back at you, Cordelia, Thank you so much, talk soon.

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Speaker 2: One of my longtime listeners Cordelia from Maryland. And she's

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Speaker 2: a beautiful, lovely, lovely woman. Okay, I got wide open

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Speaker 2: if this person, instead of being a Harvard Law school

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Speaker 2: And I'm asking for your thoughts on this. Harvard Law

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Speaker 2: Thank goodness, it wasn't someone who was there exercising their

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Speaker 1: It's Nightside with Dan Ray Boston's news radio.

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Speaker 2: All right, if this is not something that is of

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Speaker 2: my opinion, George, Welcome to Nightside. How are you? How

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 7: Pretty good?

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Speaker 8: Damn my buddy.

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Speaker 7: You know, what I'm thinking more of with this case

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Speaker 7: is the stupidity involved with this guy. Can you imagine

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Speaker 7: I mean, I mean, which you know, would be a travesty.

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Speaker 7: But I mean, you know, I like that saying that

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Speaker 7: You can't fix stupid. This guy is stupid.

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Speaker 2: and he's living next to a synagogue. Fine, and on

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Speaker 7: I mean, no, my god, this guy could have got killed.

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Speaker 2: And I'm gonna and I'm gonna go out and and

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Speaker 7: He at nine o'clock at night. I mean, I don't care.

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Speaker 7: I don't know what he teaches over there. But if

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Speaker 2: Well, it's I mean, it's it's it's pathetic almost, and

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Speaker 7: No, they don't. Dan when I work for IBM for

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Speaker 2: One Well it'll be I mean, it'll be interesting to

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Speaker 2: I guess he's on a leave of absence, so it

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Speaker 2: hasn't been whatever. Yeah, and we'll see, and we'll see.

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Speaker 2: We reached out, by the way, my producer did reach

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Speaker 2: out today to his office, and surprisingly we haven't heard back.

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Speaker 2: Well you won't, you won't, thanks, George.

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Speaker 7: I mean, I'm thinking the worst. I don't want this

435
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Speaker 7: guy to get hurt. But you know, I know Brazil

436
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Speaker 7: is a gun toting country, much more so than America.

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Speaker 7: But they all carry side arms.

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Speaker 9: I've watched a.

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Speaker 7: Lot of those videos of them attacking course.

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Speaker 2: But anyway, look, George, thanks so much.

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Speaker 5: Good night, my buddy.

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Speaker 7: You have a good night.

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Speaker 2: Thanks George, thank you so good night. Let me let

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Speaker 2: me keep rolling here. The only lines open right now.

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Speaker 2: Well there's one at six one seven, two five four

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Speaker 2: ten thirty, and there's one at six one seven nine

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Speaker 2: three one ten thirty. Let me go to Daniel in Worcester. Daniel,

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Speaker 2: welcome to Nightside.

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Speaker 6: Go right ahead, sir, Thank you very much, Dan, I

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Speaker 6: thank you for bringing up this topic. I just want

451
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Speaker 6: to say, you know, you know, learning we learn. We

452
00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:34,240
Speaker 6: can learn from any situation. Sometimes we can learn from

453
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Speaker 6: almost stupid people. And I just want when you when

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Speaker 6: you brought this up, it reminded me of you know,

455
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Speaker 6: something that happened to me at hab It's Grade nineteen

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Speaker 6: twenty nine. Okay, the first the first time that I

457
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Speaker 6: ever met I came across, you know, a group of

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Speaker 6: policemen actually after midnight, and I was of whole places

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Speaker 6: at that very stupid thing. Usually during the day I

460
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Speaker 6: would go and sit and have it. We had to

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Speaker 6: read books and so on, because I want to to

462
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Speaker 6: real on the other side of the river, because it

463
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Speaker 6: was because the gun violes and so on. So this

464
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Speaker 6: because this time and after midnight, my my eight year

465
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Speaker 6: old son had had asked me to buy my a

466
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Speaker 6: thing called a telescope. So I bought my telescope and

467
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Speaker 6: I had yet was a little lit. But the Rightcliffe College,

468
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Speaker 6: the women's college was was in the dark, so that

469
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Speaker 6: was the best place for to actually go watch the

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Speaker 6: stars from. So we are there. Next thing, you know,

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Speaker 6: a group of policemen show up and they have been

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Speaker 6: told that there's some men, there's some black men out

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Speaker 6: in the in the in the pointing, pointing either guns

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Speaker 6: or telescopes, eavesdropping in the women's dormitories. So that I

475
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Speaker 6: had it was a stupid thing I had done, but

476
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Speaker 6: thank god I had my eight year old sun there

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Speaker 6: so and the policeman can be very reasonable. So they

478
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Speaker 6: looked and said, wait a minute, No, he couldn't be.

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Speaker 6: He couldn't be snooping on the women. Why would he

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Speaker 6: bring his eight year old boy. Yeah, what are you doing?

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Speaker 6: I said? I said, they're working the staff, you're watching

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Speaker 6: the sky. Why are you here, I said, because it's

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Speaker 6: that here We couldn't do it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I I'm familiar with with those dormitories, which

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Speaker 2: I'm very familiar with those those are a little further

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Speaker 2: away from Harvard Square, So yeah, a lot of the

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Speaker 2: ambient lights.

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Speaker 6: I'm good. There was pretty much was patient, listen and

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Speaker 6: look at and said, no, what he's thinking is right,

490
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Speaker 6: and just be he's just exactly stupid. So you know,

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Speaker 6: so I hope, I hope, I hope the man he

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Speaker 6: has talking the truth and and I and I want to.

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Speaker 2: Know what, well, I mean, maybe maybe he can take

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Speaker 2: a uh uh, a plea of abject stupidity. Maybe we could,

495
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Speaker 2: we could come up with him with the play.

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Speaker 9: Which I read, which I plead even though even though

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Speaker 9: I've been this club and toble that clubs and books.

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Speaker 6: But but but my client is prepared to to plead

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Speaker 6: to a sufficiency of of of the facts.

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Speaker 2: And abject stupidity, your honor, if you'll accept that play.

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Speaker 9: Yes, I grew up in a binary republic, but not

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Speaker 9: not the street on the street. So so you know,

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Speaker 9: the first time I got to I number an area

504
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Speaker 9: was when I was twelve, went to boarding school, and

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Speaker 9: I put I put, I put those those those staff

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Speaker 9: that I saw you on lump pulls and they told

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Speaker 9: me no, they had lumps.

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Speaker 6: But anyway, all.

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Speaker 2: Right, Daniel, thank you much. I'm gonna let you go

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Speaker 2: here because I got to get to my break. Thank you,

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Speaker 2: my friend, thank.

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Speaker 6: You so much too.

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Speaker 2: From one Daniel to another, We're coming back on night

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Speaker 2: Side right after the break.

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Speaker 1: It's night Side with Boston's News Radio.

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Speaker 2: All right, let's get back to the phones where we're

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Speaker 2: gonna go next. My friend Patrick in Charlestown. I know

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Speaker 2: Patrick's gonna have an interesting take on this topic. Hi Patrick,

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Speaker 2: I just welcome.

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Speaker 5: I just think that Harvard's had a really good run

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Speaker 5: with outstanding professors here. So just to what a couple

522
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Speaker 5: of months ago, they had an honesty researcher UH fired

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Speaker 5: for committing fraud in or research. So that was doctor

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Speaker 5: Francesca Gino. I missed you never covered that story.

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Speaker 2: I missed it. You know. Look, I'm not omnipotent, Okay,

526
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Speaker 2: I mean I I missed some stories here. Patrick never

527
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:16,920
Speaker 2: hesitate to let me know. By the way, you always

528
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:20,880
Speaker 2: you can work as We'll give you a producer credit

529
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:23,320
Speaker 2: if you give me a good suggestion. Go right ahead,

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Speaker 2: look that one up.

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Speaker 5: Look that one up honesty researcher at Harvard fired for

532
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Speaker 5: fraud and or research. I think it'll be a good,

533
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:33,680
Speaker 5: good story. Uh. And then of course you had the

534
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Speaker 5: famous Henry Lewis Gates Junior, who who told the cop,

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Speaker 5: told the cop that said is your mom out to

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Speaker 5: the cop and took the ride in the free ride

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Speaker 5: in the police.

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Speaker 2: Card Sergeant Crowley, if I'm not mistaken.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, the national incident.

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Speaker 2: By the way, who's really by the way, Crowley, Who's

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Speaker 2: a really good guy. I bumped into him one time

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Speaker 2: and I really felt he he was a guy with

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Speaker 2: a lot of integrity. I think Gates was fairly tired.

544
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Speaker 2: He had just come back from some halfway around the

545
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Speaker 2: world trip and things like that can happen. But again

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Speaker 2: he pulled, He tried to pull rank and it didn't

547
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Speaker 2: quite work out too well. Although we got there the

548
00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:22,160
Speaker 2: beer with Joe Biden and Barack Obama at the White House,

549
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Speaker 2: remember the beer summit.

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Speaker 5: I want to we want to be judged on my

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Speaker 5: worst moments either, So we'll let it. We'll let that

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Speaker 5: be in the past. I'm just saying, armadat quite a run,

553
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Speaker 5: and this story is there's no way.

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Speaker 2: You can have, Patrick, could you can add the president

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Speaker 2: of Harvard who had to resign because she couldn't really

556
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Speaker 2: answer questions in front of Congress, Claudian Gay.

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Speaker 5: Well, she also she also committed fraud in her dissertation, which.

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Speaker 2: Well, those are the allegations. But I'm not you know,

559
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Speaker 2: I'm not an expert, so I can't I do know what.

560
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Speaker 2: I know that she had a rough day in front

561
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Speaker 2: of Congress, and I'm willing to leave it there because

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Speaker 2: I don't know. You know, fraud is very important.

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Speaker 5: Is that.

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Speaker 2: That's a very strong word, Patrick, if you get my drift.

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Speaker 5: So you don't want to slander or I respect that. So, uh,

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Speaker 5: you know the other thing, I was just reading through

567
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Speaker 5: this and it says it's a rifle. It's a pellet

568
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Speaker 5: rifle in the Boston Globe article. Not that anything the

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Speaker 5: Boston Globe could be trusted, but it it's a pellet rifle,

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Speaker 5: not even a pellet here, God damn, looking at the

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Speaker 5: story right now.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, No, it's it's a rifle. Yeah, it's a pellet rifle.

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Speaker 2: You're right, So, because that could have been a real problem,

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Speaker 2: I just think that you've got to be aware of

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Speaker 2: your surroundings. Wherever you are.

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Speaker 5: I mean, that's what you accept the premise that this

577
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Speaker 5: guy was rat hunting. I can't when when something is

578
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Speaker 5: so crazy that the premise maker scratch your head, it's

579
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Speaker 5: obviously untrue. So I don't know what this guy was.

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Speaker 2: I don't know. I never knew, and I know Brookline

581
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Speaker 2: pretty well. I didn't realize that there was that there

582
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Speaker 2: were people out who were hunting varmints like Mitt Romney

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Speaker 2: and going after rats at nine o'clock at night.

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Speaker 5: Uh, you know, look O the country would say, what's

585
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Speaker 5: the big deal A guy has a gun. I mean

586
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Speaker 5: he has a right to have. Other this ision other

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Speaker 5: parts of the country. It's with the liberal most liberal.

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Speaker 2: So what I'm saying is that if this guy was

589
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Speaker 2: was a blue collar guy, he would have had he

590
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Speaker 2: would have been in big trouble. And I think that

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Speaker 2: this guy will will skate on this one. I mean

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Speaker 2: that dri I gotta run. There's only we can only

593
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Speaker 2: you know, a kid to close to this lander so

594
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:40,240
Speaker 2: many times during one phone call. We don't know any

595
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Speaker 2: of that. Thanks, Patrick, will talk to you. Let me

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Speaker 2: go to dot dot, keep me safe, go ahead dot.

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Speaker 10: Hi Dan, you know we do know this boob of

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Speaker 10: a professor is one answer. I've got the answer. Yeah,

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Speaker 10: call President Trump. He'll put him on the first playing

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Speaker 10: ship Brazil and have it. Will pay for the ticket.

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Speaker 10: President Trump will take care of him.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think that probably it's going to rise

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Speaker 2: to that level.

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Speaker 10: I think it should. I think it should because if

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Speaker 10: it was just some poor sap, he'd be in all

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Speaker 10: kinds of troubles. Guys, this guy's gonna have a big

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Speaker 10: cover up. No, let President Trump know about it.

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Speaker 2: Well. I don't know if President Trump listens to my show,

609
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:36,480
Speaker 2: but if he does, he should know about it now.

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Speaker 2: And I'm sure we can make a call with your

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Speaker 2: exhortation knowing.

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Speaker 10: Hey, why not, he doesn't. He doesn't deserve to be

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Speaker 10: around here. We don't need yoyos like that.

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Speaker 2: All right, don, I'm so glad I opened this can

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Speaker 2: of worms eggs. Dog talk soon, Okay, good night, There

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Speaker 2: goes dog. Bill is in Easton, Hey, Bill, welcome next

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Speaker 2: one night side Bill, Garrett.

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Speaker 8: Ahead and brook Line is Norfolk County. And as far

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Speaker 8: as pellet rifles, I don't discharge the firearms different, you know,

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Speaker 8: five hundred feet from a dwelling. When it comes to vernment,

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Speaker 8: I think is uh is a little it's a little

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Speaker 8: more laid back. But like if you were hunting squirrels,

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Speaker 8: you know, with a pellet, you'd actually need a hunting license.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Well again, I'm not going to get into the

625
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Speaker 2: difference between a rodent and a squirrel. Uh. And I

626
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Speaker 2: will only say that I think right, it's just incredibly

627
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Speaker 2: bad judgment. And then if he was, if he was

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Speaker 2: a regular blue collar guy who gags in the same

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Speaker 2: sort of ignorance activity in that proximity to synagogue on

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Speaker 2: jan Kapor, one of the holiest nights of the year,

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Speaker 2: I can't believe that the guy didn't realize who was

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Speaker 2: living next to a synagogue. O. Hey, wake up and

633
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Speaker 2: smell the coffee, professor. Okay, that's all I'm trying to say.

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Speaker 2: All Right, thanks Bill, appreciate you called Tim and Wilburn.

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Speaker 2: You're gonna wrap it up first, Tim, go right ahead.

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Speaker 8: I didn't May thanks to taking my car.

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Speaker 5: I had good day, Ray Kary reads back on the radio.

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Speaker 2: Well not on this program, Tim, so do me a favorite.

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Speaker 2: No plugs of other radio programs or newscasts or whatever.

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Speaker 2: I'm kind of I'm done with Karen Reid to be

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Speaker 2: honest with you. I know that you are very supportive

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Speaker 2: of her, and I think that she should get her

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Speaker 2: car back. And I think that the criminal actions have

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Speaker 2: been closed up, and I think it's time for everybody

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Speaker 2: to move on. I think you're right, all right, Thanks Tim,

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Speaker 2: I gotta I gotta run. We're getting tight. You're called late.

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Speaker 2: Thank you much, Tim, have a great one. Good night. Okay,

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Speaker 2: done for the night. I want to thank everyone who

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Speaker 2: called in. Whatever the topic was, what we got? Thirty

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Speaker 2: a little time here. Wait a second, hold on, that's good.

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Speaker 2: Let me thank Rob, Let me thank Marita. Let me

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Speaker 2: thank all the callers. We had a bunch of interesting

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Speaker 2: callers tonight. And let me thank all the listeners again.

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Speaker 2: Remember this is Night Side with Dan Ray. Good guests

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Speaker 2: like Larry called theerone great topic like these knuckleheads who

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Speaker 2: are doing donuts and intersections and they need to get

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Speaker 2: a life at callers and stir and you got a

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Speaker 2: talk show, simple as that. I will end as always,

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Speaker 2: All dogs, all cats, all pets go to heaven. That's

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Speaker 2: my pell. Charlie Ray looking at a picture of him

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Speaker 2: right now, Handsome Cavali King Charles Spaniel. All those pets

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Speaker 2: went to heaven. They loved you when you loved them,

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Speaker 2: and I do belie if you're going to see them again.

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Speaker 2: Hopes to gain tomorrow night on Nightside, have a great Tuesday, everybody.

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Speaker 2: By the way, the WBC car guys on Thursday night

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Speaker 2: from ten to twelve, Larry and Scott will join us.

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Speaker 2: Take your calls on getting ready for the winter driving season.

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Speaker 2: I will see you tomorrow night. I will be on

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Speaker 2: Facebook in just a moment. Facebook. Nice hour, Dan Ray

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Speaker 2: and you can go there. You can check out some

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Speaker 2: pictures from our reunion the people of WBCTV the nineteen eighties.

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Speaker 2: Good morning everyone,