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Speaker 1: This is a podcast from Doubor.

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Speaker 2: Here again is Larry Minty with the Doubor Saturday Morning Show.

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Speaker 1: Well, New York City mayor zorin mom Donnie is off

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Speaker 1: to an awful start. Well things get any better? They

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Speaker 1: can't get much worse. Let's ask Joe BURRELLI CNN contributor

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Speaker 1: and former minority leader in the New York City Council.

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Speaker 1: And let me start Joe by congratulating you. You are

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Speaker 1: all over my social media feed because of moments you've

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Speaker 1: had at CNN. You're getting to be one of the

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Speaker 1: stars of that paddle. Congrats.

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Speaker 2: I'm trying. It ain't because of my good looks. Let

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Speaker 2: me tell you that.

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Speaker 1: No, no, but you do take on liberals left and right.

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Speaker 1: It's fun to watch. Yeah, no, it is. It is

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Speaker 1: fun to watch. And I got to check my algorithm

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Speaker 1: because you were on it a little bit too much.

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Speaker 1: Don't take that. Don't take offense. But man, you were

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Speaker 1: all over my social media feed.

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Speaker 2: I'll take it. But I'm also a contributor at Al Jazeera,

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Speaker 2: and forgive me today for the audio. I have to

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Speaker 2: be in my car today. But I'm also a contributor

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Speaker 2: at Al Jazeera, and I do analysis of you know, Iran, Gaza,

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Speaker 2: Israel policy, US policy. And I checked today what you know,

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Speaker 2: Defense Minister Katz was saying, and it turns out he

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Speaker 2: had no idea and did not care what Zooren Mamdani's

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Speaker 2: working group happened to say in you know, from the

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Speaker 2: Health Department. Okay, So I don't think it's going to

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Speaker 2: really affect any Israeli policy or Palestinian policy for that matter.

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Speaker 1: No, I don't think it is either. But it shows

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Speaker 1: you what's at the root of the mayoral staff and

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Speaker 1: the fact that he's hiring people that are like this

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Speaker 1: that's more disturbing. I figure that Israel doesn't care, and

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Speaker 1: I figure that nobody cares in the Middle East right now,

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Speaker 1: but we should care in this city. And the Jews

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Speaker 1: living in this city, who even many of them voted

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Speaker 1: for him, thought that oh that was his past, that's

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Speaker 1: not that's not gonna happen, and now well.

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Speaker 2: It is now he should he should care about spending

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Speaker 2: tax money and time on this, you know, rather than

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Speaker 2: you know, the allegian airs outbreak in the Bronx or

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Speaker 2: some or some real problem that that's now actually on

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Speaker 2: his desk to solve. I mean, that's that's kind of

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Speaker 2: what I would hope. You know, even someone who wants

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Speaker 2: to be optimistic on everybody in politics, I don't. I

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Speaker 2: don't wake up every day saying I hate zohamm DONI

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Speaker 2: or want him to fail. But that's what he should

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Speaker 2: be focusing on. Good gun.

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Speaker 1: No, I think you liked everybody else after we got

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Speaker 1: elected's thought, Okay, let's hope the best for the city.

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Speaker 1: Let's hope that he's not who we thought he was,

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Speaker 1: that he surprises everybody. There's been no surprises. As a

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Speaker 1: matter of fact, it's worse than I thought it was

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Speaker 1: going to be. This bungling, This the fact that so

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Speaker 1: many people died in this snowstorm is abhorrent. It is

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Speaker 1: almost impeachable.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because it's directly related to a decision he makes.

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Speaker 2: But you know, the city makes mistakes. There are there

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Speaker 2: are people dying in the city all the time. Government

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Speaker 2: fails all the time. Not often are they the direct

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Speaker 2: result of a policy decision that was thought out and

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Speaker 2: made and the consequences discarded, which is exactly what happened.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you heard Eric Adams in that Clippy play

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Speaker 2: just before I joined. I mean, he was someone that

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Speaker 2: you at least has experience in this field. Right, he

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Speaker 2: was the mayor, he was a police captain. He knows

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Speaker 2: what happened when you leave people out of the streets

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Speaker 2: in extreme cold. And the mayor could have thought had

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Speaker 2: a more thought out policy that, Hey, maybe we leave

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Speaker 2: people on the streets in the summer. Maybe that's one thing,

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Speaker 2: but when it subs zero temperatures, when it's you know,

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Speaker 2: an arctic tundra, maybe we have to just you know,

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Speaker 2: make people comply at that point.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, at least he learned from that. It seems

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Speaker 1: like he learned, and now he was getting people off

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Speaker 1: the street. So I'll give him some credit for that,

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Speaker 1: Except sixteen people died and everybody told you what was

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Speaker 1: going to happen. Now, we have another case where a

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Speaker 1: police officer gets attacked with someone with a knife and

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Speaker 1: opens fire, and he doesn't want him charge. He went

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Speaker 1: and visited him in the hospital. Look, I can feel

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Speaker 1: for that family. I understand that he has problems, but

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Speaker 1: a police officer's life was being threatened, and he's doubling

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Speaker 1: down now on sending health professionals on these cases.

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Speaker 2: First of all, there's a lot of gray area when

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Speaker 2: you look at the pretty shooting and the good shooting

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Speaker 2: some discussion to be had there about whether that was

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Speaker 2: you know, good policing actions involved. And you know, I

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Speaker 2: don't think those cops are guilty, but there's some discussion there.

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Speaker 2: When you watched the video of this particular shooting, it

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Speaker 2: is so fundamentally clear that that officer did everything he

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Speaker 2: could to not have to use deadly force. He even

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Speaker 2: retreated and closed the door, presumably to call in back up.

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Speaker 2: And it's absurd that the mayor is not treating this

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Speaker 2: cop as you know, somewhat of a hero who had

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Speaker 2: to make an unfortunate last decision. And this is the

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Speaker 2: problem with this idea that there needs to be mental

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Speaker 2: health counselors who respond to these incidents. Right, Yes, I

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Speaker 2: will agree with Momdandi that this person needs mental health counseling,

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Speaker 2: But that person who is going to first encounter this

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Speaker 2: person cannot be a social worker for this exact reason.

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Speaker 2: This came over as a mental health case and the

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Speaker 2: police responded. And this is a clear cut example of

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Speaker 2: why we have we have to have police responding and

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Speaker 2: not untrained, unarmed and unbody armored social workers, and.

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Speaker 1: The idea that he thinks that this is a good

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Speaker 1: example of exactly what we need shows you how his

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Speaker 1: mind works. And it's Joe. This is to me, that

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Speaker 1: is the most concerning thing. That he's going to keep

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Speaker 1: doubling down on insanity, that he believes what he ran on.

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Speaker 1: I guess we were all hoping he would see reality

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Speaker 1: once he got in. That ain't gonna happen.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, you know, I think the first dose

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Speaker 2: of that is actually going to hit him very soon

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Speaker 2: with the city budget, because twelve billion dollars. You know,

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Speaker 2: you may or may Or Addams, whether you like it

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Speaker 2: or not, you know, he faced like two billion dollar gaps,

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Speaker 2: three billion dollar gaps. You can eliminate those gaps by

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Speaker 2: you know, small cuts and spending reprogram complained at that

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Speaker 2: time about how you know, quote unquote devastating those cuts were.

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Speaker 2: Twelve billion dollars is a real amount. No voodoo magic,

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Speaker 2: no budget dance is going to actually address that. And

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Speaker 2: this mayor, who ran on a platform of free stuff

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Speaker 2: for everyone, is actually going to be, you know, an

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Speaker 2: austerity mayor who has to make significant cuts, who might

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Speaker 2: have to have hiring freezers, who might have to even

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Speaker 2: have layoffs if things don't get yet yet better. But

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Speaker 2: that's the mayor. He's he's gonna have to be, whether

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Speaker 2: he likes it or not, because the math is the math,

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Speaker 2: whether you're a democratic socialist or a moderate Democrat or anyone.

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Speaker 1: All right, enjoy your time with Al Jazeera. Joe Burrelli,

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Speaker 1: Managing director Chartwell Strategy Group and former Minority Leader of

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Speaker 1: the New York City Council.

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