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Speaker 2: here's what you do. You take care of business while

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Speaker 1: Oh oh okay, yeah, Well it's like it's kind of

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Speaker 1: Well, you know, I'd really like to go if it's

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Speaker 2: No, honey, that's just religions perspective. But no, Yeah, the

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Speaker 3: Bad to take their life.

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Speaker 2: Of course they're welcomed back home. So it's a different

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Speaker 3: Is that.

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Speaker 2: I have psychic abilities, and so I have been I

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Speaker 3: And it is.

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Speaker 2: Scott. The pictures I've seen of the other side are

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Speaker 1: And can you send some to me? I has that

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Speaker 2: I have what's called clairvoyance, which means that you get visions.

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Speaker 3: It isn't like, oh my god, Scott, I I.

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Speaker 1: What's that part of having called where it's like the

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Speaker 3: Oh? There you go.

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Speaker 2: No, it's just when you're there, you're kind you it's

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Speaker 1: And oh yeah, well it really it is fascinating. We

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Speaker 3: Okay, sweet Si, you just let me know.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, Okay, you.

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Speaker 1: Go, I got some bake, sir, Rob, I'll see you later.

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Speaker 1: Echo now I get you some twenties. You seem like

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Speaker 1: You're fine, You're fine. We all get to go to

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Speaker 1: everyone gets a participation ribbon. Apparently, why are we fighting it?

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Speaker 1: Why are we fighting it? Great? Uh? As a converse

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Speaker 1: I try to have around every year at go Bodine,

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Speaker 1: And uh, that's kind of ghost story. See Italian right there,

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Speaker 1: least for today. Anyway, we'll reset back on Monday. Here,

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Speaker 1: Scott Sloan, I'm the home of the best Bengals coverage.

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