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Speaker 2: Well, no, no, I understand that because the Red States,

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Speaker 2: that's that's where freedom is generally. I mean, I can

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Speaker 2: nitpick almost every Red state about some stupid things they do,

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Speaker 2: But even coming from a red state perspective, what are

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Speaker 2: this is I think maybe you guys are missing my point.

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Speaker 2: My point is if you if you start with a

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Speaker 2: foundation that we want a country based on freedom, all

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Speaker 2: of these things happening right now are the antithesis of freedom,

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Speaker 2: and they're all mapped out to lead us to any

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Speaker 2: the battle that's really going on. And it is a

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Speaker 2: political battle, but I truly believe it's also a spiritual battle,

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Speaker 2: because when you enslave people, and that's what we've done

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Speaker 2: to many people in this country. I am let me

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Speaker 2: just add can a parenthetical here we're gonna I'm gonna

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Speaker 2: keep with where I was going, but talk about enslavement.

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Speaker 2: You know the Trump accounts that they're putting together. Every

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Speaker 2: time I hear those stories, I just want to shoot

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Speaker 2: my television. Not because I'm opposed to the Trump accounts.

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Speaker 2: I actually think it's a kind of a brilliant move.

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Speaker 2: It's got some kinks that needs to be worked out.

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Speaker 2: But as people start going on to Social Security, which

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Speaker 2: is nothing more than just a total scam, imagine instead

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Speaker 2: it because they keep talking about, oh, you know, by

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Speaker 2: add up all of the Social Security taxes I've paid,

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Speaker 2: thirty million dollars. I'll be lucky in my life time,

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Speaker 2: depending on how long I live, to collect.

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Speaker 3: Three million dollars five million dollars.

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Speaker 2: I don't know. But they're doing for these kids. What

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Speaker 2: should have been done all along, because social security is

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Speaker 2: really a form of enslavement, and that enslavement gets exacerbated

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Speaker 2: because because we have totally failed to educate so many

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Speaker 2: generations about finances, compound interest, investments, capitalism, all of that,

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Speaker 2: New Deal. I actually take it prior to that, since

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Speaker 2: would Row Wilson, we have just been letting progressives take

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Speaker 2: But those accounts are a good example of what I'm

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Speaker 2: trying to point out here about these different facts about NATO,

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Speaker 2: to do was August of twenty twenty one. What happened

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Speaker 2: withdrawal from Afghanistan, just that one incident, which resulted in

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Speaker 2: They abandoned women and children to Taliban rule, and so

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Speaker 2: members of the rules based order normally frowned upon the

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Speaker 2: I still maintained we could have kept a small presence there,

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Speaker 2: four thousand, two hundred and forty five acts of clemency,

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Speaker 2: let's think about it this way. How well is Europe

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Speaker 2: There other ways to measure freedom too. In England, Jewish

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Speaker 2: Canucks Mark Carney. He's polishing his virtue while the state

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Speaker 2: So yeah, I agree. Donald Trump has done some utterly

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Speaker 2: they deserve a measured attention, and they deserve a measured

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Speaker 2: Because all they care about is power, just raw, an

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Speaker 2: it's much more than that. Those are just symbols that

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Speaker 3: Whatever.

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Speaker 2: We We can do that all day long. Step away

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Speaker 2: Part of an organized effort to destroy the country.

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Speaker 4: Michael, this is Steve. If you advertize twenty thousand dollars

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Speaker 5: That could have been not entirely sure when you only

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Speaker 2: Take the whole thing about freedom as the very foundation

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Speaker 2: Another question like I ask you about what does freedom

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Speaker 2: When are people going to learn, either the homeless or protesters.

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Speaker 2: I don't know fascist. What they were at the corner

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Speaker 2: Sign didn't tell me a lot, just that they were mad.

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Speaker 2: He was not a bystander. He was not just merely

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Speaker 2: I'm not going down that path right now, but I

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Speaker 2: So to see this picture now clearly it helps that

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Speaker 2: Protest expresses opposition. Direct action is obstruction. A protest will communicate.

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Speaker 2: Direct action is going to intervene. Protest attempts to persuade

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 2: The critics dismiss that analysis as being speculative because they insist,

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Speaker 1: When liberals don't get their way, they get civil war mode. Okay,

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Speaker 1: you know, everything has to go exactly how they wanted. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 2: now in this audience, which I considered to be highly sophisticated,

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Speaker 2: with the few exceptions, of course, should we name the

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Speaker 2: twelve that are the exceptions? Highly sophisticated, discerning consumers of news, logical, rational,

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Speaker 2: and passionate. Perfect audience.

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Speaker 3: Love it to your point.

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Speaker 2: It doesn't require us to demonize pretty. It requires clarity

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Speaker 2: because calling him a protester is not charitable, it's actually

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Speaker 2: misleading because that obscures the nature of his activity and

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Speaker 2: the risk that creates not only for the cops, for

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Speaker 2: the agents, but for those that were participating in if

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Speaker 2: they were, like on the sidewalks on an easement, actually protesting,

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Speaker 2: it creates.

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Speaker 3: Problems for them too.

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Speaker 2: Now I don't think any of them were actually doing that,

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Speaker 2: but just in case there was one or two. When

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Speaker 2: activists embed themselves into law enforcement operations, when they track officers,

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Speaker 2: they intervene physically, they resist to rest well armed, the

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Speaker 2: moral and the legal terrain begins to change. Do you

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Speaker 2: really believe that this is about freedom? Do you think

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Speaker 2: this is about freedom for those that are convicted, have

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Speaker 2: lawful removal orders, have lawful detention orders, have committed violent crimes.

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Speaker 2: If somehow you're conflating freedom, which is my whole purpose today,

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Speaker 2: if you're conflating freedom and then using the word protester

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Speaker 2: with what's going on in Minneapolis.

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Speaker 3: You might be a useful idiot. You might need to

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Speaker 3: reassess some things.

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Speaker 2: Because when all those things happen, they embed themselves, they intervene,

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Speaker 2: they resist. That becomes a situation of imminent risk. That's

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Speaker 2: no longer a protest. That's not expressive descent because a

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Speaker 2: cop or an agent doesn't have the luxury of well,

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Speaker 2: let me parse the motive. May I review your signal

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Speaker 2: chat quickly to see what you're really up to, because

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Speaker 2: they can only respond to what they see and to

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Speaker 2: what they reasonably perceive as a threat. And that's why

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Speaker 2: the Supreme Court doctrine for decades has focused on the

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Speaker 2: officer's judgment in the moment and look. And that's important

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Speaker 2: for you too, not just law enforcement. If you're engaged,

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Speaker 2: if you end up being on a taxpayer relief shot,

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Speaker 2: you know tomorrow at eleven o'clock and you end up

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Speaker 2: shooting someone. The focus is not going to be when

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Speaker 2: it comes to self defense, what was the other person doing.

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Speaker 2: The focus is going to be on your judgment in

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Speaker 2: that moment. What did you reasonably fear or assume was

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Speaker 2: going to happen. This was not a protest gone wrong.

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Speaker 2: This was a system that encouraged escalation. While they would

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Speaker 2: use language to try to convince you otherwise,