1 00:00:00,480 --> 00:00:00,920 Speaker 1: It's nice. 2 00:00:02,720 --> 00:00:05,480 Speaker 2: I'm going you easy Boston's News Radio. 3 00:00:06,600 --> 00:00:10,600 Speaker 1: All right, good evening everyone, Good evening, and welcome in 4 00:00:10,640 --> 00:00:13,640 Speaker 1: to night's side. We have four hours to go between 5 00:00:13,640 --> 00:00:16,920 Speaker 1: now and midnight. Lots going on. Busy night here as 6 00:00:16,960 --> 00:00:18,919 Speaker 1: always want to welcome all of you. My name is 7 00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:21,200 Speaker 1: Dan Ray, I'm the host of the show. And Rob 8 00:00:21,239 --> 00:00:27,680 Speaker 1: Brooks at his appointed location at Broadcast Central headquarters, whatever 9 00:00:27,680 --> 00:00:29,480 Speaker 1: you want to call it, he's all set to take 10 00:00:29,520 --> 00:00:33,199 Speaker 1: your phone calls once we begin with that portion of 11 00:00:33,240 --> 00:00:36,400 Speaker 1: the program, and we will talk tonight about a couple 12 00:00:36,400 --> 00:00:38,800 Speaker 1: of items, one of which is back to square one 13 00:00:38,880 --> 00:00:43,800 Speaker 1: from Massachusetts. Boy, the Massachusetts Transportation Apartment Secretary of Transportation, 14 00:00:43,960 --> 00:00:47,479 Speaker 1: Monica tibbets Nut, has resigned today. Don't know that she 15 00:00:47,640 --> 00:00:51,519 Speaker 1: ever really got comfortable in the job. There have been 16 00:00:51,560 --> 00:00:57,000 Speaker 1: a number of resignations by cabinet officials in the healthy administration, 17 00:00:57,200 --> 00:01:01,720 Speaker 1: and those sorts of things do take their goal to 18 00:01:02,240 --> 00:01:06,000 Speaker 1: take their their cost. I should say on on governors 19 00:01:06,360 --> 00:01:08,560 Speaker 1: and on elected officials. But and then later on I'm 20 00:01:08,560 --> 00:01:12,760 Speaker 1: going to talk about this leaked chat of some really 21 00:01:12,800 --> 00:01:17,000 Speaker 1: immature and dumb young Republicans who who engaged in anti 22 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:22,800 Speaker 1: Semitic racist that homophobic text messages. It's it's tough to 23 00:01:22,880 --> 00:01:28,360 Speaker 1: think that after all these years, people who theoretically are 24 00:01:28,360 --> 00:01:32,080 Speaker 1: in their twenties and maybe mid twenties, and who have 25 00:01:32,280 --> 00:01:35,320 Speaker 1: gone to college still haven't been able to shake off 26 00:01:36,080 --> 00:01:42,120 Speaker 1: anti semitism, racism, and homophobia. I don't know. It's it's 27 00:01:42,120 --> 00:01:45,520 Speaker 1: pretty dispiriting, that is for sure. We are going to 28 00:01:45,600 --> 00:01:48,800 Speaker 1: start off tonight. Our first guest is going to talk 29 00:01:48,840 --> 00:01:52,640 Speaker 1: about a new Massachusetts real estate law, and I got 30 00:01:52,680 --> 00:01:54,560 Speaker 1: to be honest with you. I've read a couple of 31 00:01:54,680 --> 00:01:58,880 Speaker 1: articles on this one and it's kind of confusing, and 32 00:01:58,920 --> 00:02:01,320 Speaker 1: so I'm going to try to listen carefully, and I 33 00:02:01,360 --> 00:02:04,560 Speaker 1: hope you will as well. My guest joining us is 34 00:02:04,600 --> 00:02:08,600 Speaker 1: Mark TRIGLIONI Mark Kope, I got that. I got close 35 00:02:08,639 --> 00:02:10,120 Speaker 1: to that pronunciation. How are you? 36 00:02:11,120 --> 00:02:13,280 Speaker 3: You nailed it? Dan, I'm doing very well. How about you? 37 00:02:13,440 --> 00:02:16,320 Speaker 1: I'm great. You're the president of the twenty twenty five 38 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:20,200 Speaker 1: Greater Boston Association of Realtors and Brokers, and you also 39 00:02:20,280 --> 00:02:25,040 Speaker 1: own a premier realty group in Reading, Massachusetts. So this 40 00:02:25,360 --> 00:02:31,840 Speaker 1: law deals with home inspections and I don't understand its purpose, 41 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:35,560 Speaker 1: and I'm hoping you can explain to me and to 42 00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:42,720 Speaker 1: my audience, what this law effectively affects accomplishes. Let me 43 00:02:42,720 --> 00:02:45,480 Speaker 1: put it like that, what does this law accomplish? What's 44 00:02:45,520 --> 00:02:47,080 Speaker 1: the what's the benefit of the law. 45 00:02:48,120 --> 00:02:50,519 Speaker 3: So that's a that's a really great question. I think 46 00:02:50,520 --> 00:02:52,280 Speaker 3: in order to answer it, I'm going to back up 47 00:02:52,320 --> 00:02:54,519 Speaker 3: a little bit and kind to provide a quick summary 48 00:02:54,800 --> 00:02:57,520 Speaker 3: so your listener listeners can kind of establish a common 49 00:02:57,560 --> 00:02:59,920 Speaker 3: set of facts and understanding as far as you know, 50 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:02,000 Speaker 3: how do we get here? How what was the purpose 51 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:04,600 Speaker 3: of even putting a law like this in place? So 52 00:03:04,639 --> 00:03:06,799 Speaker 3: the quick summary of the new law is that home 53 00:03:06,840 --> 00:03:10,640 Speaker 3: buyers can no longer waive their home inspection when submitting 54 00:03:10,680 --> 00:03:13,600 Speaker 3: an offer to purchase a property in Massachusetts, and home 55 00:03:13,639 --> 00:03:17,560 Speaker 3: sellers cannot demand or dictate in any way that a 56 00:03:17,600 --> 00:03:21,400 Speaker 3: buyer wave or forego their home inspection when they make 57 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:24,320 Speaker 3: an offer or purchase their property. So it doesn't mean 58 00:03:24,320 --> 00:03:26,680 Speaker 3: that a buyer has to have a home inspection, and 59 00:03:26,720 --> 00:03:29,600 Speaker 3: it doesn't mean that a seller has to renegotiate price 60 00:03:29,680 --> 00:03:32,240 Speaker 3: or terms as a result of that inspection. But a 61 00:03:32,280 --> 00:03:36,400 Speaker 3: buyer can't wave it before or during the offer process 62 00:03:36,720 --> 00:03:39,520 Speaker 3: or intimate they're going to waive it, and a seller 63 00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:43,119 Speaker 3: can't suggest or require in any way that they do so. 64 00:03:43,120 --> 00:03:46,280 Speaker 3: So to kind of establish the playing field that we're 65 00:03:46,280 --> 00:03:48,760 Speaker 3: on now is no buyer can wave it or intimate 66 00:03:48,800 --> 00:03:50,760 Speaker 3: they're going to wave it, no seller can force them 67 00:03:50,800 --> 00:03:51,760 Speaker 3: to do so. 68 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:54,840 Speaker 1: So I do. Here's what I understand. I purchase property 69 00:03:55,160 --> 00:03:58,240 Speaker 1: over the course of my lifetime. And why would anyone 70 00:03:58,960 --> 00:04:01,320 Speaker 1: purchase a piece of property, you know, with a house 71 00:04:01,440 --> 00:04:04,920 Speaker 1: on it, a home on it, and not have a 72 00:04:04,960 --> 00:04:05,800 Speaker 1: building inspection. 73 00:04:07,200 --> 00:04:09,440 Speaker 3: Well, let's just be honest, Dan, the real reason why 74 00:04:09,440 --> 00:04:11,160 Speaker 3: they would do that is because they feel like they 75 00:04:11,200 --> 00:04:13,480 Speaker 3: have to, right, And we both know that the real 76 00:04:13,600 --> 00:04:16,080 Speaker 3: estate market in Boston and Greater Boston and really all 77 00:04:16,120 --> 00:04:20,039 Speaker 3: of Massachusetts, but specifically Eastern Massachusetts has just been so 78 00:04:20,400 --> 00:04:24,320 Speaker 3: competitive for the last three to five years, but honestly 79 00:04:24,360 --> 00:04:27,000 Speaker 3: the last five to seven years. And so the more 80 00:04:27,160 --> 00:04:30,160 Speaker 3: and more competitive the market gets, the less and less 81 00:04:30,160 --> 00:04:32,480 Speaker 3: supply there is and the more and more demand there is, 82 00:04:32,680 --> 00:04:35,200 Speaker 3: which around here is driven a lot of times by 83 00:04:35,320 --> 00:04:40,520 Speaker 3: educational resources, medical resources, scientific resources. As that equation starts 84 00:04:40,520 --> 00:04:44,000 Speaker 3: to shift, buyers start to forfeit more and more and 85 00:04:44,080 --> 00:04:46,599 Speaker 3: more to try to win the game, if you will, 86 00:04:46,640 --> 00:04:48,880 Speaker 3: of real estate and try to get that property that 87 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:52,719 Speaker 3: they really love under agreement, which no one should really 88 00:04:52,760 --> 00:04:54,360 Speaker 3: have to do that kind of like you had said, 89 00:04:54,360 --> 00:04:57,159 Speaker 3: you've bought property before, the idea of going into it 90 00:04:57,680 --> 00:05:00,440 Speaker 3: without having a professional kind of like you know what's 91 00:05:00,480 --> 00:05:03,000 Speaker 3: going on, what you're getting into seems kind of crazy. 92 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:05,640 Speaker 3: But when you're crazy over a house, you do stuff 93 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:08,240 Speaker 3: that seems kind of crazy. And in some cases that's 94 00:05:08,520 --> 00:05:11,000 Speaker 3: led to really bad consequences for buyers, and in some 95 00:05:11,040 --> 00:05:13,600 Speaker 3: cases it's led, you know, to buyers getting the property 96 00:05:13,640 --> 00:05:15,960 Speaker 3: that they really wanted and they're they're kind of happy 97 00:05:15,960 --> 00:05:17,640 Speaker 3: with it. I think to go back to your first 98 00:05:17,680 --> 00:05:20,279 Speaker 3: question and answer it. Like with a lot of consumer 99 00:05:20,320 --> 00:05:23,320 Speaker 3: protection laws, it's really hard to say whether it's going 100 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:25,039 Speaker 3: to be as it is the people that support it 101 00:05:25,080 --> 00:05:26,480 Speaker 3: say it is, or whether it's going to be as 102 00:05:26,480 --> 00:05:29,040 Speaker 3: bad as the people that don't support it say it's 103 00:05:29,040 --> 00:05:30,840 Speaker 3: going to be. And we won't really know until it's 104 00:05:30,880 --> 00:05:33,080 Speaker 3: been in the wild for some period of time. But 105 00:05:33,279 --> 00:05:36,960 Speaker 3: there's no question that the Commonwealth has hurt sellers in 106 00:05:37,040 --> 00:05:38,880 Speaker 3: order to help buyers, and we'll just have to see 107 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:40,040 Speaker 3: how that plays out in the market. 108 00:05:40,360 --> 00:05:45,760 Speaker 1: So, but this would be like buying an automobile without 109 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:47,880 Speaker 1: have or ever having driven a car. 110 00:05:48,920 --> 00:05:53,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's certainly true. You know, the test drive that 111 00:05:53,760 --> 00:05:55,520 Speaker 3: you would get would be when you walk through the 112 00:05:55,560 --> 00:05:57,599 Speaker 3: house for a half hour during an open house or 113 00:05:57,720 --> 00:06:00,839 Speaker 3: showing what certainly isn't enough to make a buying decision. 114 00:06:01,760 --> 00:06:03,240 Speaker 1: Well, it would be like if you if it would 115 00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:07,160 Speaker 1: be like, I'm I'm k not getting You've explained it well, 116 00:06:07,320 --> 00:06:10,240 Speaker 1: but it would be as if the car dealer or 117 00:06:10,240 --> 00:06:12,359 Speaker 1: if you're particularly if you're buying a used car, because 118 00:06:12,400 --> 00:06:14,520 Speaker 1: most houses are used. Let's let's face. 119 00:06:15,960 --> 00:06:16,520 Speaker 3: Ourselves. 120 00:06:16,960 --> 00:06:18,560 Speaker 1: So it would be like you're going to buy a 121 00:06:18,640 --> 00:06:21,080 Speaker 1: used car and it looks pretty good from the outside, 122 00:06:21,160 --> 00:06:24,080 Speaker 1: and the used car dealer says, I can't give you 123 00:06:24,080 --> 00:06:25,920 Speaker 1: the keys unless you want to buy it. But if 124 00:06:25,960 --> 00:06:27,760 Speaker 1: you'd like to sit in the front seat, if you'd 125 00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:32,159 Speaker 1: like to crawl around, that's okay. Whatever. No one would 126 00:06:32,200 --> 00:06:34,120 Speaker 1: do that. And it just seems to me that that 127 00:06:34,200 --> 00:06:37,400 Speaker 1: if you purchase a house and you don't have a 128 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:41,120 Speaker 1: home inspection, all the problems that the home inspection might 129 00:06:41,240 --> 00:06:44,680 Speaker 1: find will be unknown to you until after you own 130 00:06:44,680 --> 00:06:46,800 Speaker 1: the house, and there for the burden of taking care 131 00:06:46,839 --> 00:06:49,159 Speaker 1: of whatever you didn't find. What you did, what you 132 00:06:49,200 --> 00:06:54,320 Speaker 1: didn't look for Are there that many people who are 133 00:06:54,400 --> 00:06:57,760 Speaker 1: buying houses who don't even think of a home inspection? 134 00:06:58,360 --> 00:07:00,760 Speaker 3: I mean, well, it's not so much that they don't 135 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:02,760 Speaker 3: think of it. And you're making great points, stand and 136 00:07:02,800 --> 00:07:04,919 Speaker 3: these are a lot of the conversations are similar to 137 00:07:04,960 --> 00:07:07,760 Speaker 3: the conversations that we're having when we're working with our 138 00:07:07,800 --> 00:07:10,800 Speaker 3: buyers out there. But it's not so much that buyers 139 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:13,200 Speaker 3: couldn't do inspections before. What a lot of buyers were 140 00:07:13,240 --> 00:07:15,680 Speaker 3: doing before. And this is kind of I have a 141 00:07:15,720 --> 00:07:18,080 Speaker 3: corollary for your example. You know how when some people 142 00:07:18,160 --> 00:07:19,960 Speaker 3: buy a car, they have their own mechanic kind of 143 00:07:19,960 --> 00:07:22,000 Speaker 3: look at it. Yeah, you know, they take a look 144 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:24,960 Speaker 3: at it beforehand, and some people don't. What a lot 145 00:07:24,960 --> 00:07:27,680 Speaker 3: of buyers are doing is having an inspection before they 146 00:07:27,720 --> 00:07:30,320 Speaker 3: even submit the offer on the property. So they're having 147 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:32,320 Speaker 3: an inspector come out and take a look at things 148 00:07:32,320 --> 00:07:35,000 Speaker 3: before they even get to the offering process. And so 149 00:07:35,120 --> 00:07:38,080 Speaker 3: that's been well, to be honest, me and a lot 150 00:07:38,080 --> 00:07:41,040 Speaker 3: of my contemporaries have been suggesting to buyers that they do. 151 00:07:40,880 --> 00:07:42,960 Speaker 1: So that they're not suggestions. 152 00:07:43,640 --> 00:07:45,680 Speaker 3: Well, you know, when you're trying to represent your buyer's 153 00:07:45,680 --> 00:07:48,080 Speaker 3: best interest, to recommend they do what you're suggesting is 154 00:07:48,280 --> 00:07:50,800 Speaker 3: it feels as crazy as you're making it sound, right, 155 00:07:51,120 --> 00:07:53,800 Speaker 3: nobody would ever really want to do that. I think 156 00:07:53,840 --> 00:07:56,840 Speaker 3: the thing that makes this really tough, and you know, 157 00:07:56,880 --> 00:07:58,760 Speaker 3: this is kind of the hard part because it certainly 158 00:07:58,840 --> 00:08:01,880 Speaker 3: is an incredible boot for buyers across the Commonwealth, but 159 00:08:02,200 --> 00:08:05,360 Speaker 3: for most sellers, and especially in Greater Boston, their home 160 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:08,160 Speaker 3: is their biggest asset by far, and now one of 161 00:08:08,160 --> 00:08:11,320 Speaker 3: the most important principle factors that a seller considers when 162 00:08:11,320 --> 00:08:13,800 Speaker 3: they're trying to capitalize on that asset is taken out 163 00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:16,400 Speaker 3: of their hands. So I will I work with a 164 00:08:16,400 --> 00:08:18,560 Speaker 3: lot of buyers and a lot of sellers. Most realtors do. 165 00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:21,680 Speaker 3: They work with both, right, So I certainly see how 166 00:08:21,680 --> 00:08:23,560 Speaker 3: it's going to benefit buyers, but it does make me 167 00:08:23,640 --> 00:08:27,400 Speaker 3: nervous about unintended consequences about sellers trying to take advantage 168 00:08:27,440 --> 00:08:29,440 Speaker 3: of that big asset that they have, and and most 169 00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:32,199 Speaker 3: pieces it's the biggest Yeah. 170 00:08:32,320 --> 00:08:34,400 Speaker 1: I think the idea of if you go to a 171 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:36,840 Speaker 1: house and you like it, and you say to yourself, 172 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:39,080 Speaker 1: I really want to make an offer in this house, 173 00:08:39,120 --> 00:08:43,360 Speaker 1: and let's assume that it is the price they're asking X, 174 00:08:43,400 --> 00:08:45,199 Speaker 1: and you decide, Okay, I'm going to I'm going to 175 00:08:45,320 --> 00:08:49,560 Speaker 1: offer ten thousand dollars less than X so X minus ten. 176 00:08:50,200 --> 00:08:52,640 Speaker 1: But I want to see the house. Now if the 177 00:08:53,040 --> 00:08:56,360 Speaker 1: if the inspector comes back and they and inspect that says, look, 178 00:08:56,400 --> 00:09:00,320 Speaker 1: this is a really great house. There's nothing wrong with it. 179 00:09:00,440 --> 00:09:02,360 Speaker 1: You're not going to have to do anything other than 180 00:09:02,400 --> 00:09:04,240 Speaker 1: whatever you want to do in terms of painting a 181 00:09:04,280 --> 00:09:06,800 Speaker 1: room or something like that. You might go back and say, well, 182 00:09:06,840 --> 00:09:10,320 Speaker 1: as a result of my inspection, my inspector tells me 183 00:09:10,360 --> 00:09:13,959 Speaker 1: this house is in really good shape. I'll now actually 184 00:09:13,960 --> 00:09:16,320 Speaker 1: go and out. I'll meet your asking price, or maybe 185 00:09:16,360 --> 00:09:19,640 Speaker 1: even I'll offer ten over your asking price. So it 186 00:09:19,679 --> 00:09:23,320 Speaker 1: would benefit everybody. And the only person who's bearing the 187 00:09:23,360 --> 00:09:26,600 Speaker 1: burden of the cost of the home inspection is the 188 00:09:26,679 --> 00:09:29,960 Speaker 1: potential buyer. But I see that as something You're not 189 00:09:29,960 --> 00:09:31,800 Speaker 1: going to do that every house you look at. But 190 00:09:31,880 --> 00:09:35,400 Speaker 1: when you find that house, get that inspection done, it 191 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:37,720 Speaker 1: may you may realize look at it and say, you know, 192 00:09:37,920 --> 00:09:39,120 Speaker 1: they come back and say, you know, you get one 193 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:41,280 Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollars worth of work that's got to be 194 00:09:41,360 --> 00:09:43,040 Speaker 1: done in this house. Do you really want to take 195 00:09:43,080 --> 00:09:45,560 Speaker 1: that on, so uh, okay. 196 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:48,600 Speaker 3: It has happened, Dan, it happen. You know, people are 197 00:09:48,640 --> 00:09:50,760 Speaker 3: really good at their jobs. In a lot of cases, 198 00:09:50,760 --> 00:09:53,120 Speaker 3: people are really good and really impressive at their jobs. 199 00:09:53,280 --> 00:09:55,640 Speaker 3: But let's be honest, most people's jobs do not involve 200 00:09:55,720 --> 00:09:58,280 Speaker 3: major systems to keep a house running and be in 201 00:09:58,320 --> 00:10:01,800 Speaker 3: good working condition, so there's no expectation that they should 202 00:10:01,800 --> 00:10:04,920 Speaker 3: be able to look at it and make proper evaluations. 203 00:10:04,600 --> 00:10:08,560 Speaker 3: And I really hope that in the end it creates 204 00:10:08,559 --> 00:10:11,240 Speaker 3: a balanced market where buyers and sellers have, you know, 205 00:10:11,280 --> 00:10:15,000 Speaker 3: an equal opportunity to both capitalize their asset and know 206 00:10:15,040 --> 00:10:17,280 Speaker 3: what they're getting into. Again, it's just kind of the 207 00:10:17,360 --> 00:10:21,400 Speaker 3: unintended consequences of how might disaffect some sellers going forward. 208 00:10:21,440 --> 00:10:23,360 Speaker 3: But we are going to find out, and we're going 209 00:10:23,440 --> 00:10:25,720 Speaker 3: to find out now because every offer from today forward 210 00:10:25,840 --> 00:10:28,160 Speaker 3: is going to include this. There's kind of a you know, 211 00:10:28,200 --> 00:10:29,920 Speaker 3: not to get too much into the nitty gritty, but 212 00:10:29,920 --> 00:10:33,760 Speaker 3: there's a new form. Basically every transaction will include similar 213 00:10:33,760 --> 00:10:35,839 Speaker 3: to a lead paint form if anyone's ever bought a 214 00:10:35,880 --> 00:10:38,199 Speaker 3: house built in nineteen seventy eight or before. Again, I 215 00:10:38,200 --> 00:10:39,319 Speaker 3: won't go too far into that. 216 00:10:40,280 --> 00:10:44,920 Speaker 1: We're quickly here always more forms, the files only get thicker. 217 00:10:46,559 --> 00:10:48,440 Speaker 1: How can folks get in touch with you if they're 218 00:10:48,480 --> 00:10:50,720 Speaker 1: interested in following up on this conversation? 219 00:10:51,559 --> 00:10:53,840 Speaker 3: Oh, thank you for asking. I'll give all my personal 220 00:10:53,840 --> 00:10:56,720 Speaker 3: cell number at seven A one six four zero zero 221 00:10:56,760 --> 00:10:58,720 Speaker 3: one seven two. Feel free to give me a call. 222 00:10:58,880 --> 00:11:00,760 Speaker 3: I'll be happy to direct you to somebody who can 223 00:11:00,800 --> 00:11:04,200 Speaker 3: best represent you in your area. But more specifically, you 224 00:11:04,240 --> 00:11:06,839 Speaker 3: can reach out for resources to the Massachusetts Association of 225 00:11:06,880 --> 00:11:09,839 Speaker 3: Realtors or the Greater Boston Association of Realtors, who can 226 00:11:09,840 --> 00:11:12,880 Speaker 3: give you fair balanced resources both for people working in 227 00:11:12,920 --> 00:11:14,720 Speaker 3: the industry and consumers. 228 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:17,239 Speaker 1: All right, and again that phone number one more time. 229 00:11:17,760 --> 00:11:21,040 Speaker 3: Seven eight one six four zero zero one seven to two. 230 00:11:21,320 --> 00:11:24,319 Speaker 1: Perfect. Yeah, Sometimes people are scrambling for a piece of paper, 231 00:11:24,360 --> 00:11:26,280 Speaker 1: so I'd like if somebody's really interested, they want to 232 00:11:26,280 --> 00:11:28,800 Speaker 1: make sure they have a chance. And if anyone calls in, 233 00:11:29,360 --> 00:11:31,640 Speaker 1: Rob can give them that number as well. Mark Tweaklely only, 234 00:11:31,679 --> 00:11:34,640 Speaker 1: thank you very much, appreciate the conversation, really good information. 235 00:11:34,679 --> 00:11:35,160 Speaker 1: Appreciate it. 236 00:11:35,880 --> 00:11:37,120 Speaker 3: Thank you, Dan. I look forward to the rest of 237 00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:37,600 Speaker 3: the show tonight. 238 00:11:37,559 --> 00:11:40,079 Speaker 1: I take care, Thank you much. All right, coming up 239 00:11:40,200 --> 00:11:41,440 Speaker 1: on the other side, we're going to talk a little 240 00:11:41,440 --> 00:11:44,320 Speaker 1: bit of football. There's a new book out, every Day 241 00:11:44,400 --> 00:11:47,200 Speaker 1: Is Sunday, by a fellow named Ken Belson, New York 242 00:11:47,240 --> 00:11:50,520 Speaker 1: Times business and NFL reporter and author of the book 243 00:11:50,559 --> 00:11:53,800 Speaker 1: every Day Is Sunday. Jerry Jones, Robert Craft, and Roger 244 00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:58,120 Speaker 1: Goodell turned the NFL into a cultural and economic juggernaut. 245 00:11:58,440 --> 00:12:01,280 Speaker 1: We'll talk with Ken Belson right after this break here 246 00:12:01,360 --> 00:12:04,920 Speaker 1: on a Thursday night edition of Nightside. My name's Dan Ray. 247 00:12:04,960 --> 00:12:05,880 Speaker 1: Back right after this. 248 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:12,400 Speaker 2: Night Side with Dan Ray on w BZ, Boston's news Radio. 249 00:12:13,600 --> 00:12:16,520 Speaker 1: Delighted to be joined by Ken Belson. Ken is a 250 00:12:16,559 --> 00:12:19,720 Speaker 1: New York Times business and NFL reporter and author of 251 00:12:19,720 --> 00:12:21,760 Speaker 1: a new book. The book is called every Day a Sunday. 252 00:12:21,760 --> 00:12:24,360 Speaker 1: How Jerry Jones, Robert Craft, and Robert Goodell turned the 253 00:12:24,440 --> 00:12:28,360 Speaker 1: NFL into a cultural and economic juggernaut. Ken Belson, Welcome 254 00:12:28,400 --> 00:12:29,959 Speaker 1: to NIGHTSID. How are you this evening, sir? 255 00:12:30,760 --> 00:12:32,560 Speaker 4: Thanks for having me on, Dan appreciate it. 256 00:12:32,800 --> 00:12:34,880 Speaker 1: Yeah. I'm one of those guys up here in New 257 00:12:34,920 --> 00:12:38,840 Speaker 1: England who remember the Boston Patriots playing at Fenway Park, 258 00:12:39,240 --> 00:12:43,000 Speaker 1: braves Field, which was bu Nickerson Field at the time, 259 00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:48,320 Speaker 1: Harvard Stadium, the old Alumni Field at Boston College. NFL's 260 00:12:48,360 --> 00:12:52,840 Speaker 1: come a really long way. You give Jerry Jones, Bob Kraft, 261 00:12:52,880 --> 00:12:56,120 Speaker 1: and Roger Goodell tremendous amount of credit, which I agree with, 262 00:12:56,679 --> 00:12:58,920 Speaker 1: But didn't they really build this on the shoulders of 263 00:12:58,960 --> 00:13:01,440 Speaker 1: the people who came before the Pete Rozelle and you know, 264 00:13:02,120 --> 00:13:06,520 Speaker 1: you go back Vince Lombardi, Bud Starr or whatever, Johnny Yanidas. 265 00:13:07,400 --> 00:13:09,920 Speaker 1: Without those guys, there would have been no opportunity for 266 00:13:09,920 --> 00:13:12,240 Speaker 1: the Jerry Jones, the Robert Crafted and Roger Goodell. Why 267 00:13:12,240 --> 00:13:14,560 Speaker 1: are you focusing on Jones, Craft and Goodell. 268 00:13:15,640 --> 00:13:18,520 Speaker 4: Well, it's a good question. There's a quote that starts 269 00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:22,600 Speaker 4: the book from Bob Lamont, a well known coaches agent, 270 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:26,080 Speaker 4: and he said that Pete Roselle is the equivalent of 271 00:13:26,360 --> 00:13:32,040 Speaker 4: Madison Avenue. He popularized the game football, overtook baseball, brought 272 00:13:32,040 --> 00:13:35,480 Speaker 4: the Super Bowl in color, TV, NFL films, all these 273 00:13:35,480 --> 00:13:40,160 Speaker 4: things were Pete Roselle's period. And then Paul Tagliboo really 274 00:13:40,160 --> 00:13:44,000 Speaker 4: put a financial foundation under the league with the labor 275 00:13:44,000 --> 00:13:46,360 Speaker 4: agreement they struck in ninety three and then later the 276 00:13:46,400 --> 00:13:50,960 Speaker 4: Fox TV deal. And so yes, absolutely, Jerry Jones and 277 00:13:51,040 --> 00:13:54,480 Speaker 4: Robert Craft and certainly Roger Goodell a lot to them. 278 00:13:54,920 --> 00:13:58,400 Speaker 4: But look, I started a book in nineteen ninety three 279 00:13:58,520 --> 00:14:02,320 Speaker 4: because that's what we've of now currently as the modern NFL, 280 00:14:02,440 --> 00:14:05,240 Speaker 4: the construct that is now with the sallery cap and 281 00:14:05,280 --> 00:14:07,920 Speaker 4: with free agency and with revenue sharing. So it was 282 00:14:07,920 --> 00:14:10,200 Speaker 4: an inflection point. I guess that's how I picked it. 283 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:13,040 Speaker 4: You know, we could have started much, We could have 284 00:14:13,040 --> 00:14:15,959 Speaker 4: started nineteen fifty eight. Who at the Giants and Colts 285 00:14:15,960 --> 00:14:17,320 Speaker 4: at Yankee Stadium? 286 00:14:17,440 --> 00:14:21,400 Speaker 1: Absolutely the big over, the big overtime game. Absolutely said, 287 00:14:22,080 --> 00:14:25,200 Speaker 1: Steve Myra was the was the the guy that kicked 288 00:14:25,200 --> 00:14:25,880 Speaker 1: the field goal. 289 00:14:25,760 --> 00:14:30,120 Speaker 4: If I recall, yes, yes so, And Jerry Richardson, the 290 00:14:30,120 --> 00:14:32,320 Speaker 4: owner of the Pants future owner of the Panthers, was 291 00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:35,360 Speaker 4: playing for the Colts back then. So sure, yeah, it 292 00:14:35,400 --> 00:14:37,800 Speaker 4: was a It was a you know, I could have 293 00:14:37,800 --> 00:14:39,080 Speaker 4: picked a lot of moments. 294 00:14:38,720 --> 00:14:40,880 Speaker 1: But no, I get it, I get it, No, I 295 00:14:40,920 --> 00:14:43,920 Speaker 1: totally yeah. I mean, look, baseball wouldn't meet baseball today 296 00:14:43,960 --> 00:14:48,440 Speaker 1: without Babe Ruth or Jackie Robinson either. But all of 297 00:14:48,440 --> 00:14:51,880 Speaker 1: these sports build on the shoulders of the others. The 298 00:14:51,920 --> 00:14:54,920 Speaker 1: poor guys in the fifties who were maxing out at 299 00:14:54,960 --> 00:14:57,480 Speaker 1: twenty five thirty thousand dollars, which they thought was a 300 00:14:57,480 --> 00:15:01,800 Speaker 1: great baseball contract back then. Many of them ended up 301 00:15:02,840 --> 00:15:06,240 Speaker 1: living in really poverty later in their lives while their 302 00:15:06,760 --> 00:15:10,360 Speaker 1: their successors were making two three four five million dollars 303 00:15:10,360 --> 00:15:13,160 Speaker 1: for sitting on the disabled list most most of the year. 304 00:15:13,200 --> 00:15:16,760 Speaker 1: And unfortunately, I remember the story about early win and 305 00:15:17,680 --> 00:15:20,600 Speaker 1: ending up three hundred game winner living in a trailer 306 00:15:20,600 --> 00:15:23,880 Speaker 1: park in Florida. So so we of course our little 307 00:15:23,880 --> 00:15:26,240 Speaker 1: partial to Bob Craft up here because of what went 308 00:15:26,280 --> 00:15:29,200 Speaker 1: on with the Patriots. Tell us about Crafts involved in. 309 00:15:29,280 --> 00:15:32,520 Speaker 1: Kraft was a season ticket holder, as you know, who 310 00:15:32,560 --> 00:15:35,360 Speaker 1: eventually bought the team, and he kind of caught the 311 00:15:35,360 --> 00:15:37,840 Speaker 1: wave at the right time. He had Bledsoe for a 312 00:15:37,840 --> 00:15:40,480 Speaker 1: while and then he had to play that took that 313 00:15:40,560 --> 00:15:45,400 Speaker 1: turned Bledsoe's career around and allowed Belichick to enter this 314 00:15:45,400 --> 00:15:48,440 Speaker 1: this third string quarterback named Tom Brady, and the rest 315 00:15:48,480 --> 00:15:48,960 Speaker 1: is history. 316 00:15:49,920 --> 00:15:53,560 Speaker 4: Yeah, there's there's some interesting takeaways. Bob Craft is actually 317 00:15:54,200 --> 00:15:57,800 Speaker 4: meddling quite a bit in player decisions, including the Drew 318 00:15:57,840 --> 00:16:00,920 Speaker 4: Bledsoe contract in the nineties, and you know, he and 319 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:04,640 Speaker 4: Parcels didn't get along. Jonathan Kraft was brought in, you know, 320 00:16:04,800 --> 00:16:08,240 Speaker 4: very early on, and you know, Craft enters when the 321 00:16:08,320 --> 00:16:11,520 Speaker 4: salary cap comes in to play, and so you know, 322 00:16:11,600 --> 00:16:14,760 Speaker 4: his son was deputized to figure out using analytics to 323 00:16:14,800 --> 00:16:17,040 Speaker 4: figure out how to come up with the optimum roster. 324 00:16:17,520 --> 00:16:21,080 Speaker 4: Well that was not how Bill Parcells they dealt with things, 325 00:16:21,400 --> 00:16:23,360 Speaker 4: and so there was some tension there, and I think 326 00:16:23,400 --> 00:16:27,520 Speaker 4: sort of the technocratic way that the Craft family went 327 00:16:27,560 --> 00:16:30,360 Speaker 4: about it was frankly the future, right. I mean, now 328 00:16:30,560 --> 00:16:34,360 Speaker 4: every team has analytics departments and his data driven. They 329 00:16:34,400 --> 00:16:37,640 Speaker 4: were doing that back in the nineties. But I think, 330 00:16:37,720 --> 00:16:40,720 Speaker 4: you know, Robert is a schmoozer. He wants everybody to 331 00:16:40,760 --> 00:16:43,240 Speaker 4: be happy, and he was putting himself in positions that 332 00:16:44,040 --> 00:16:46,960 Speaker 4: modern owners try and avoid. Now, let your coach deal 333 00:16:46,960 --> 00:16:49,920 Speaker 4: with it, lets your GM deal with it. That was 334 00:16:50,120 --> 00:16:51,880 Speaker 4: a lesson he learned. And of course, when he brought 335 00:16:51,920 --> 00:16:54,480 Speaker 4: Belichick in, one of the reasons, or at least he 336 00:16:54,520 --> 00:16:56,960 Speaker 4: claimed the reasons he brought him in was because Belichick 337 00:16:57,000 --> 00:16:59,480 Speaker 4: had an economics degree and would be able to run 338 00:16:59,520 --> 00:17:02,200 Speaker 4: the cap or figure out how to run the cap. So, 339 00:17:03,040 --> 00:17:05,119 Speaker 4: you know, he he learned after five sixty years, I 340 00:17:05,200 --> 00:17:07,440 Speaker 4: better step back from this, at least from the day 341 00:17:07,480 --> 00:17:09,400 Speaker 4: to day stuff that he had been doing earlier. 342 00:17:09,960 --> 00:17:12,119 Speaker 1: I still think without the mo loess Hitt and Bled 343 00:17:12,119 --> 00:17:16,959 Speaker 1: so Brady probably would have disappeared into the ether, and 344 00:17:17,080 --> 00:17:19,000 Speaker 1: I don't know that we ever would have had the 345 00:17:19,080 --> 00:17:21,520 Speaker 1: six Super Bowl. So you got to thank the linebacker 346 00:17:21,560 --> 00:17:24,760 Speaker 1: for the Jets for that, ironic. Ironically, how's the How 347 00:17:24,880 --> 00:17:27,720 Speaker 1: is the book going? At this point? Obviously, the NFL 348 00:17:28,080 --> 00:17:31,840 Speaker 1: is the major American sport, And I say that to 349 00:17:31,880 --> 00:17:34,040 Speaker 1: you during the week of the World Series or during 350 00:17:34,080 --> 00:17:37,560 Speaker 1: the week of the playoffs, it's tough to figure out 351 00:17:37,600 --> 00:17:42,760 Speaker 1: when if it comes down to Seattle in the first 352 00:17:42,760 --> 00:17:46,120 Speaker 1: time in the World Series, it's that's not great markets 353 00:17:46,160 --> 00:17:50,760 Speaker 1: for Major League Baseball and this World Series this year. 354 00:17:50,800 --> 00:17:53,399 Speaker 1: I think many people kind of remember who was in 355 00:17:53,440 --> 00:17:55,560 Speaker 1: the World Series last year? Well it was the Yankees 356 00:17:55,600 --> 00:17:59,600 Speaker 1: and Dodgers, but say two years ago. But football, it's 357 00:17:59,640 --> 00:18:04,040 Speaker 1: impress still our minds. They know how to market. That 358 00:18:04,119 --> 00:18:06,359 Speaker 1: should be your next book, the marketing of the NFL. 359 00:18:06,359 --> 00:18:08,000 Speaker 1: But I assume a lot of that is in this 360 00:18:08,040 --> 00:18:08,600 Speaker 1: current book. 361 00:18:09,480 --> 00:18:11,320 Speaker 4: Yeah, very much so. I mean the title kind of 362 00:18:11,320 --> 00:18:15,040 Speaker 4: gives it away, right, you know that were maybe the 363 00:18:15,040 --> 00:18:17,080 Speaker 4: same age, you know when it was I used to 364 00:18:17,119 --> 00:18:20,200 Speaker 4: watch NFL films on Saturday evening to get amped up 365 00:18:20,240 --> 00:18:22,560 Speaker 4: for the following Sunday and that was kind of all 366 00:18:22,600 --> 00:18:25,320 Speaker 4: you had. There was no sports center. H certainly it 367 00:18:25,359 --> 00:18:28,120 Speaker 4: was no cell phones and uh you know video clips. 368 00:18:28,560 --> 00:18:28,760 Speaker 2: Uh. 369 00:18:29,080 --> 00:18:31,320 Speaker 4: You know, the NFL has managed to figure it out. 370 00:18:31,359 --> 00:18:33,480 Speaker 4: You know, the games are really only played in the 371 00:18:33,520 --> 00:18:36,719 Speaker 4: fourth quarter of the year and then January for the playoffs, 372 00:18:37,119 --> 00:18:39,919 Speaker 4: and yet they have all this mind share. You know, 373 00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:42,440 Speaker 4: you're all right out of the Super Bowl into the combine. 374 00:18:42,840 --> 00:18:46,640 Speaker 4: Then you're getting going with the free agency, more talk shows, 375 00:18:46,640 --> 00:18:49,840 Speaker 4: more speculation, my team's going to sign so and so. 376 00:18:50,680 --> 00:18:53,160 Speaker 4: Then you roll right into the draft and then my favorite, 377 00:18:53,480 --> 00:18:58,320 Speaker 4: the primetime schedule announcement. As you know, so the NFL 378 00:18:58,440 --> 00:19:01,000 Speaker 4: is trying to fill in that count under. The draft 379 00:19:01,040 --> 00:19:03,840 Speaker 4: is now a road show. Suspected it'll come to Boston 380 00:19:03,880 --> 00:19:07,400 Speaker 4: at some point, you know, and fans just can't seem 381 00:19:07,440 --> 00:19:10,280 Speaker 4: to get enough of it. I find it, you know. 382 00:19:10,359 --> 00:19:12,560 Speaker 4: I guess you're talking about on the backs of others, 383 00:19:13,359 --> 00:19:17,000 Speaker 4: and it's absolutely true. You know. Pete Roselle wanted the 384 00:19:17,119 --> 00:19:20,719 Speaker 4: NFL to be to reach the broadest audience, and in 385 00:19:20,760 --> 00:19:23,000 Speaker 4: the eighties, when a lot of the networks were switching 386 00:19:23,040 --> 00:19:27,159 Speaker 4: over to cable TV, the NFL stuck with DBS, Fox, 387 00:19:27,800 --> 00:19:32,000 Speaker 4: NBC to get their largest reach. They could have made 388 00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:34,480 Speaker 4: money with regional sports networks and things like that, but 389 00:19:34,560 --> 00:19:36,720 Speaker 4: they didn't. And in the end that turns out to 390 00:19:36,720 --> 00:19:39,840 Speaker 4: be the smartest move because tonight's game between the Steelers 391 00:19:39,840 --> 00:19:44,680 Speaker 4: and the Bengals or yes, Bengals will probably get seventeen 392 00:19:44,680 --> 00:19:50,040 Speaker 4: to eighteen million fans, and probably between the two championship 393 00:19:50,080 --> 00:19:52,040 Speaker 4: games they probably won't get as many combined. 394 00:19:52,160 --> 00:19:59,440 Speaker 1: So the Joe Flackle Bengals, we might add wei. One 395 00:19:59,480 --> 00:20:02,760 Speaker 1: guy's out and the guys in and it's uh, it's 396 00:20:02,800 --> 00:20:06,399 Speaker 1: it is. It's yeah. The NFL knows how to market, 397 00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:10,159 Speaker 1: they really do, uh Ken. The book's doing well. I 398 00:20:10,560 --> 00:20:13,120 Speaker 1: thank you for your time tonight. Anyone who's a football fan, 399 00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:17,080 Speaker 1: certainly with the holidays coming up, great great for for 400 00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:21,000 Speaker 1: Dad's library. Every day is Sunday. You got it on 401 00:20:21,080 --> 00:20:24,440 Speaker 1: any given Sunday, but every day is Sunday. Jerry Jones, 402 00:20:24,520 --> 00:20:27,760 Speaker 1: Robert Craft, and Robert Goodell turned the NFL, NFL into 403 00:20:27,800 --> 00:20:30,639 Speaker 1: a cultural and economic juggernaut. And you also have an 404 00:20:30,680 --> 00:20:33,760 Speaker 1: audiobook edition as well. That's good to hear. Ken, thank 405 00:20:33,760 --> 00:20:36,200 Speaker 1: you very much for your time tonight. Enjoyed the conversation, 406 00:20:37,080 --> 00:20:42,280 Speaker 1: and uh I you and I are old enough where 407 00:20:42,320 --> 00:20:45,000 Speaker 1: we remember these games and you remember your names, like 408 00:20:45,119 --> 00:20:48,960 Speaker 1: Chuck bednarik Uh. 409 00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:53,840 Speaker 4: I was a Larry Zaka guy Uh in the seventies. 410 00:20:54,040 --> 00:20:56,600 Speaker 4: I just love that style of football, and they don't 411 00:20:56,600 --> 00:20:58,639 Speaker 4: really play it that way anymore, but he was. He 412 00:20:58,760 --> 00:21:00,400 Speaker 4: was something that to hold now well. 413 00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:03,320 Speaker 1: As a kid, I liked the Los Angeles Rams. This 414 00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:06,320 Speaker 1: was before the Patriots. I like Jaguar, John Arnette and 415 00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:10,920 Speaker 1: Danny Toler who is a running back, and Ournette obviously 416 00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:14,159 Speaker 1: out of USC and then they had Dick Bass and 417 00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:16,840 Speaker 1: so those teams. Billy Wade. I mean, I could talk 418 00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:19,119 Speaker 1: to you about the Los Angeles Rams from the fifties 419 00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:22,639 Speaker 1: and you'd be bored. Hey, Ken, nice talking with you. 420 00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:23,400 Speaker 1: Thank you so much. 421 00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:25,600 Speaker 4: Thanks for having me on. I appreciate it. 422 00:21:25,680 --> 00:21:27,440 Speaker 1: You're welcome. Here comes the news at the bottom of 423 00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:29,320 Speaker 1: the hour. Then we're going to talk. We're not going 424 00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:31,760 Speaker 1: to talk baseball. We're going to talk as close about 425 00:21:31,800 --> 00:21:34,720 Speaker 1: something as close to Frimay Park as possible. That's the 426 00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:37,840 Speaker 1: sit go sign and it's moving, but it's moving on up. 427 00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:40,720 Speaker 1: Gala Collie the Boston Herald will join us right after 428 00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:42,240 Speaker 1: the news at the bottom of the hour. 429 00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:47,119 Speaker 2: You're on Night Side with Dan Ray on w b Z, 430 00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:49,120 Speaker 2: Boston's news radio. 431 00:21:50,119 --> 00:21:53,840 Speaker 1: Delighted to be joined by Gala Calling of the Boston Herald. Hey, Gala, 432 00:21:53,840 --> 00:21:54,520 Speaker 1: how are you tonight? 433 00:21:55,320 --> 00:21:55,720 Speaker 3: I'm good. 434 00:21:55,760 --> 00:21:56,679 Speaker 5: Thanks for having me. 435 00:21:56,760 --> 00:21:59,800 Speaker 1: Well, thanks for coming back. Now, this is a story 436 00:21:59,840 --> 00:22:03,399 Speaker 1: that has no political overtones, but we're talking about the 437 00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:09,639 Speaker 1: iconic Sitko sign Boston. Everyone in Fenway Park sees the 438 00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:14,080 Speaker 1: Citgo sign looming over the Green Monster, And for a 439 00:22:14,119 --> 00:22:17,280 Speaker 1: while a few years ago, the Citgo sign was dark 440 00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:20,000 Speaker 1: and then it's been lit up, and now they're going 441 00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:21,320 Speaker 1: to move it. What's going on? 442 00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:26,600 Speaker 5: So they're slightly repositioning it so basically it's going up 443 00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:29,879 Speaker 5: a little bit in the east a little bit, so 444 00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:32,040 Speaker 5: it's going further up in the sky by thirty feet 445 00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:33,840 Speaker 5: and one hundred and twenty feet to the east. And 446 00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:37,880 Speaker 5: they're saying that's going to preserve the original viewpoint. And 447 00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:39,840 Speaker 5: I think it's because the high rise development needs to 448 00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:42,560 Speaker 5: go a little higher in the sky, so. 449 00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:48,119 Speaker 1: It's going to still be located on the same roof 450 00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:52,240 Speaker 1: as I understand it. If I'm wrong here, please tell me. 451 00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:57,680 Speaker 1: And they're just going to extend the base up. It's 452 00:22:57,720 --> 00:22:59,960 Speaker 1: not moving from one building to another. 453 00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:03,760 Speaker 5: Zone, right, So it's the same location. There's a development 454 00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:06,440 Speaker 5: of redevelopment that's planned at that site to be in 455 00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:09,399 Speaker 5: the same location in Kenmar Square, and they're saying that 456 00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:16,119 Speaker 5: it's going to be the original viewpoint way back in 457 00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:19,320 Speaker 5: the day. So it's just being repositioned, not move not 458 00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:20,040 Speaker 5: moved very far. 459 00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:25,400 Speaker 1: Okay, So back to where it was is what I'm here. 460 00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:29,679 Speaker 1: I knew it's it's returning to its original position, but 461 00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:32,600 Speaker 1: if it stayed where it is now, I forget why 462 00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:34,840 Speaker 1: it was moved in the first place. Do you did 463 00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:38,040 Speaker 1: you cover that aspect? I know it was at one 464 00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:40,159 Speaker 1: point it was. Was it taken I don't know if 465 00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:42,320 Speaker 1: it was taken down, but at one point it was. 466 00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:45,640 Speaker 1: It was moved from somewhere to somewhere. So now it's 467 00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:48,639 Speaker 1: going back to its original position. What is there a 468 00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:52,040 Speaker 1: building that's being constructed that might obstruct part of the view. 469 00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:54,479 Speaker 1: Is that I took that from your column? Is that 470 00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:55,200 Speaker 1: what's going on. 471 00:23:56,560 --> 00:24:00,960 Speaker 5: The redevelopment planned Kenworth Square at six the Beacon Street. 472 00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:03,960 Speaker 5: So there is construction that's going on in the sign. 473 00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:06,800 Speaker 5: The repositioning and the sign is part of that construction. 474 00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:09,920 Speaker 5: So this sign goes back to nineteen forty. It was 475 00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:12,800 Speaker 5: originally the city service sign, and it was reinstalled in 476 00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:16,639 Speaker 5: nineteen sixty five as the introduction to the Citgo brand. 477 00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:19,800 Speaker 5: So it's been quite a while since it's been moved. 478 00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:24,840 Speaker 1: But I thought that there was a point sometime within 479 00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:28,360 Speaker 1: the last ten or fifteen years where there was some controversy. 480 00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:33,840 Speaker 1: So you're saying it's it was moved in placed in 481 00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:36,879 Speaker 1: its current position in nineteen sixty five. It's been there now, 482 00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:40,920 Speaker 1: what would that be sixty years? 483 00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:45,720 Speaker 5: Sixty years? Yeah, so it was reinstalled with the sit 484 00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:49,159 Speaker 5: goo sign the sit Gogo brand in sixty years ago. 485 00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:52,480 Speaker 1: Okay. But for some reason, I thought that there was 486 00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:57,639 Speaker 1: some moment in time more recently than that where either 487 00:24:57,760 --> 00:25:00,720 Speaker 1: it went dark or it was being there was some 488 00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:03,560 Speaker 1: threat when there was some development over there and there 489 00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:06,359 Speaker 1: was a big hoopla, I remember, and they saved the 490 00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:10,280 Speaker 1: Citco sign. Uh And and at some point I thought 491 00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:12,480 Speaker 1: that it went dark and we didn't see it, you know, 492 00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:14,560 Speaker 1: for a while, and then and then they brought it back. 493 00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:17,280 Speaker 1: That do you recall any of that or am I 494 00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:19,439 Speaker 1: misremembering something that didn't happen. 495 00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:25,920 Speaker 5: You could be correct. I think back seven years ago. 496 00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:29,000 Speaker 5: There was a proposal to move it. I think that 497 00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:35,520 Speaker 5: was vetoed by by a former mayor, and there there 498 00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:36,760 Speaker 5: was a deal to keep it in place. 499 00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:43,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, who who? Obviously the beneficiary of the sign is Citco, 500 00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:49,879 Speaker 1: because people, you know, see the sign. Does Citico pay 501 00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:54,760 Speaker 1: a fee or has that been sort of designated as 502 00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:59,040 Speaker 1: a historical fixture and it can't be moved. I'm always 503 00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:01,600 Speaker 1: interested in kind of the is this aspect of that. 504 00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:06,679 Speaker 5: I'm not overly familiar with the history. I think there 505 00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:10,720 Speaker 5: was a move by the Landmark the Committee to try 506 00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:14,359 Speaker 5: to make it a landmark in Boston. I I don't 507 00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:17,879 Speaker 5: know if that if that occurred. I think it's been 508 00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:21,000 Speaker 5: described as a landmark sign, but I'm not overly familiar 509 00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:22,000 Speaker 5: with the history of the sign. 510 00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:25,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, it is. It is a landmark sign. I mean, obviously, 511 00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:27,600 Speaker 1: not every seat in Fenway Park can see it, but 512 00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:30,800 Speaker 1: when you're looking from the grand stand, you gotta you've 513 00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:33,680 Speaker 1: got a pretty good look at it. I suspect that 514 00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:36,359 Speaker 1: there may be seats in some parts of the ballpark 515 00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:38,159 Speaker 1: where you can't see it. But it's the sort of 516 00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:41,960 Speaker 1: thing that everybody looks at, the famous Sitko sign, And 517 00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:45,520 Speaker 1: I remember there was some controversy. I think Sitko is 518 00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:48,639 Speaker 1: a Venezuelan company, if I'm not mistaken. And at one 519 00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:51,560 Speaker 1: point there was some controversy over whether or not we 520 00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:55,800 Speaker 1: were supporting an oil company that was a in a 521 00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:59,080 Speaker 1: country that was hostile to the US. Venezuela was in 522 00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:03,320 Speaker 1: the news again today, so for unrelated reasons which I'm 523 00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:05,640 Speaker 1: not going to ask you about, Gala, thanks very much 524 00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:08,920 Speaker 1: for joining us. As always, I hope things are going 525 00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:11,919 Speaker 1: well over the Boston Herald. You guys are still turning 526 00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:14,320 Speaker 1: out that daily newspaper. We're very lucky to have a 527 00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:17,720 Speaker 1: second newspaper, or to have two newspapers in Boston. There 528 00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:21,440 Speaker 1: are very few cities that still have two print newspapers 529 00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:21,920 Speaker 1: every day. 530 00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:26,680 Speaker 5: Yeah, HAVEE thing's going well. It's Boston, Harold. Thanks for 531 00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:28,240 Speaker 5: having me very much. 532 00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:30,840 Speaker 1: Thanks thanks for joining us, Gala Colly of the Boston Herold. 533 00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:34,280 Speaker 1: Okay we get back. We are going to talk with 534 00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:39,200 Speaker 1: a plastic surgeon, doctor Bruce Herman. And this story is 535 00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:44,040 Speaker 1: I think I think it's absolutely I could say insane, 536 00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:48,560 Speaker 1: but it might be unfair to people who are suffering 537 00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:52,600 Speaker 1: from insanity. But people as young as twenty eight years 538 00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:57,920 Speaker 1: old turning to plastic surgery for a facelift. Doctor Bruce 539 00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:01,240 Speaker 1: Herman will join us when we come back. Why anybody 540 00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:03,600 Speaker 1: at the age of twenty eight would even be thinking 541 00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:07,160 Speaker 1: about a face lift is beyond me. But if anybody's 542 00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:08,720 Speaker 1: going to know the answer to that question will be 543 00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:11,360 Speaker 1: doctor Bruce Herman. He will join us on the other 544 00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:14,640 Speaker 1: side of the break here on nightside. We have one 545 00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:17,320 Speaker 1: more segment and then when we come up at nine 546 00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:19,800 Speaker 1: o'clock after the nine o'clock news, we will be talking 547 00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:24,520 Speaker 1: about Apple Green, the company that won the bid for 548 00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:30,680 Speaker 1: the Massachusetts plaza service contract. They then withdrew after having 549 00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:32,840 Speaker 1: won the bid. This has thrown it all into a 550 00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:36,680 Speaker 1: big tumult and now the Department of Transportation which is 551 00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:41,920 Speaker 1: dealing with this mess that is left now by the 552 00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:45,440 Speaker 1: Secretary of the Department of Transportation who today announced our resignation. 553 00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:50,240 Speaker 1: Monicat Tibbets not it's kind of a natty story, but 554 00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:53,000 Speaker 1: we will bring up today. We'll talk with John Cesto 555 00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:58,160 Speaker 1: of the Boston Globe, as well as the CEO, Eric Slifka, 556 00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:03,320 Speaker 1: of the company that finished second and Really Global Partners, 557 00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:06,880 Speaker 1: a local company that I think maybe should have been 558 00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:09,720 Speaker 1: awarded the contract once Apple Green Withdrew. But we'll get 559 00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:11,160 Speaker 1: to all of that. It's going to be a new 560 00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:14,120 Speaker 1: bit of the process. The durampike will the plazas and 561 00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:16,920 Speaker 1: the pike will get restored. But it's going to delay 562 00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:18,640 Speaker 1: a little bit, that's for sure. We'll be right back 563 00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:22,920 Speaker 1: on Nightside with doctor Bruce Herman, plastic surgeon. Why people 564 00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:26,440 Speaker 1: as young as twenty eight I'm looking for facelifts? Weird? 565 00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:27,800 Speaker 1: Coming back on Nightside. 566 00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:33,960 Speaker 2: It's Nightside with Dan Ray on w Boston's News Radio. 567 00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:38,200 Speaker 1: Delighted to be joined by doctor Bruce Herman, a plastic surgeon. 568 00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:40,840 Speaker 1: Doctor Herman. Welcome to Nightside here in Boston. How are you. 569 00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:43,080 Speaker 6: I'm doing great, Thanks for having me on. 570 00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:46,360 Speaker 1: So we see an article which one of my producers 571 00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:49,880 Speaker 1: highlighted for us that young people, and I don't know 572 00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:53,040 Speaker 1: if it's both men and women, but young people are 573 00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:57,640 Speaker 1: turning more and more to plastic surgery at an earlier age, 574 00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:00,719 Speaker 1: and that some actually are looking to get a facelift 575 00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:03,800 Speaker 1: when they're like as young as twenty eight years old 576 00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:07,840 Speaker 1: in the late twenties. What is going on here? I mean, 577 00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:12,400 Speaker 1: is this pursuit of ideal beauty something that obviously it's 578 00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:16,680 Speaker 1: a boon for the plastic surgeons of the world. I'm 579 00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:19,160 Speaker 1: just curious if you think this as a healthy trend 580 00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:20,640 Speaker 1: and what's prompting it. 581 00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:24,120 Speaker 6: Yeah, so, if you look at the data over the 582 00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:27,640 Speaker 6: past decade, there's no doubt whatsoever that younger people are 583 00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:32,280 Speaker 6: embracing both plastic surgery and non invasive aesthetic procedures at 584 00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:35,480 Speaker 6: a higher rate than people that are that were older 585 00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:37,760 Speaker 6: than at the same at the same age that they were. 586 00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:40,680 Speaker 6: But yeah, I was shocked to see this article from 587 00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:43,360 Speaker 6: the BBC that was talking about people in their twenties 588 00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:47,720 Speaker 6: turning to facelift. You know, to me, that's just crazy 589 00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:50,480 Speaker 6: because I think that for certain procedures, if you're in 590 00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:53,000 Speaker 6: your twenties and you want to say, you know, maybe 591 00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:55,400 Speaker 6: have a tummy tug if you're done having kids, or 592 00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:57,520 Speaker 6: maybe if you want to like reduce your breast or 593 00:30:57,560 --> 00:30:59,440 Speaker 6: get a nose job. I mean, I'm not sure there's 594 00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:02,760 Speaker 6: that much difference in your twenties versus your thirties or forties. 595 00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:06,440 Speaker 6: But you know, historically facelifts have been reserved for people 596 00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:09,520 Speaker 6: that are middle age or older, and so you know, 597 00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:11,960 Speaker 6: my my concern is is that people are getting these 598 00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:15,840 Speaker 6: procedures that they just don't need them. I mean, there's 599 00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:19,240 Speaker 6: a lot of other non surgical ways to tighten up 600 00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:21,560 Speaker 6: your skin or take care of your skin. And yeah, 601 00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:23,480 Speaker 6: I was just shocked to see that. I would never, 602 00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:26,760 Speaker 6: you know, ever be willing to do a facelift or 603 00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:29,240 Speaker 6: necklift on somebody in their twenties. It's just way too early. 604 00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:33,520 Speaker 1: So let's talk about the cost. And again, I know 605 00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:37,400 Speaker 1: you're not saying that you advocate this procedure, but I'm 606 00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:41,200 Speaker 1: assuming a facelift for someone who is in their twenties. 607 00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:46,000 Speaker 1: And I realized this is a subjective determination. Some people 608 00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:48,520 Speaker 1: love the way they look and will always love the 609 00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:50,560 Speaker 1: way they look, and others don't like the way they 610 00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:52,800 Speaker 1: look and will never like the way they look until 611 00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:56,280 Speaker 1: they do something this dramatic. What is involved in a 612 00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:59,920 Speaker 1: face lift in terms of the procedure, the recovery time, 613 00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:02,720 Speaker 1: and the cost. Yeah, you us kind of like the 614 00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:05,680 Speaker 1: a face lift, not that we're trying to encourage people 615 00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:08,160 Speaker 1: to take to sure take this project good. 616 00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:11,680 Speaker 6: Yeah, And I think it's important to understand what's involved 617 00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:13,960 Speaker 6: with a facelift because then it becomes clear that young 618 00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:16,680 Speaker 6: people don't need these. So, you know, there's basically in 619 00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:19,840 Speaker 6: a simplified explanation. Two parts to a face lift. You're 620 00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:22,280 Speaker 6: tightening the skin of the face in generally the neck, 621 00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:25,800 Speaker 6: but you're also tightening those deep structural components. So in 622 00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:28,240 Speaker 6: the neck that's the patisma muscle, and in the face 623 00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:32,000 Speaker 6: it's the smass, which is the fiber. The fiber the 624 00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:35,480 Speaker 6: fibrotic system over the muscles. And so the reason that 625 00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:38,160 Speaker 6: face lifts are reserved more for people in older age 626 00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:41,120 Speaker 6: is because those deep structural components start to wear out 627 00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:44,320 Speaker 6: as the decades go by, and a young person it 628 00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:47,280 Speaker 6: would be almost unheard of for those things to be 629 00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:51,120 Speaker 6: structurally lax enough to warn a face lift. So that 630 00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:54,120 Speaker 6: procedure tightens up the deep structures, it tightens up the face. 631 00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:56,920 Speaker 6: As far as the recovery, uh, you know, you're looking 632 00:32:57,000 --> 00:32:59,960 Speaker 6: at a solid two or three weeks of being swore 633 00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:02,000 Speaker 6: and then bruised enough that people are going to know 634 00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:05,320 Speaker 6: you have something done. Typically they're not overly painful, but 635 00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:07,800 Speaker 6: just the after effects the surgery make it known that hey, 636 00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:10,640 Speaker 6: I had a procedure. And as far as costs, that 637 00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:14,200 Speaker 6: varies widely. You know around where I live in the 638 00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:18,120 Speaker 6: Dallas metroplex. For facelift, you're probably looking at the eight 639 00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:20,800 Speaker 6: to ten thousand dollars range, but again that varies by 640 00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:24,680 Speaker 6: region and location, and you know, bigger cities they cost more, 641 00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:26,720 Speaker 6: smaller cities a little bit less. But one of the 642 00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:29,240 Speaker 6: other shocking things about this BBC story is this lady 643 00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:32,920 Speaker 6: actually went to Turkey to get her facelift medical tourism, 644 00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:36,800 Speaker 6: which I'm not for whatsoever that talk about this all 645 00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:38,640 Speaker 6: the time in the media. It's it's pretty dangerous. But 646 00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:41,520 Speaker 6: she ended up getting six procedures at once. And of course, 647 00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:44,040 Speaker 6: you know, people do the medical tourism places like Turkey 648 00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:45,680 Speaker 6: because the cost is so much cheaper. 649 00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:49,280 Speaker 1: Why in a place like Turkey is that? Is that 650 00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:54,520 Speaker 1: because the government supports the medical community or to to 651 00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:57,840 Speaker 1: doctors in Turkey and other places. I know a lot 652 00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:01,200 Speaker 1: of people from the u US goes to go to 653 00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:06,160 Speaker 1: Mexico for you know, sometimes you know, very serious things 654 00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:09,680 Speaker 1: like cancer treatment. They feel that they hear about some 655 00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:12,759 Speaker 1: doctor who's a miracle work or in those cases, it's 656 00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:16,480 Speaker 1: not the case these countries where where the cost is 657 00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:20,520 Speaker 1: so substantially different. Is that a question of the government 658 00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:23,080 Speaker 1: of that country supporting them, or is it just the 659 00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:26,240 Speaker 1: financial structure of a specific country. 660 00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:29,200 Speaker 6: Yeah, it's just the cost of doing business. I mean, 661 00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:31,080 Speaker 6: you know, it's a lot cheaper to you know, have 662 00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:34,160 Speaker 6: a surgical clinic and you know the third world country 663 00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:36,600 Speaker 6: that is the United States or the UK, which is 664 00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:38,160 Speaker 6: where a lot of the people that go to Turkey 665 00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:42,000 Speaker 6: come from. So yeah, it's just cheaper overall. Of course, 666 00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:45,240 Speaker 6: you know, there's not as much regulation, so there's always 667 00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:48,759 Speaker 6: the question of are these people properly trained? Is the facility, 668 00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:50,120 Speaker 6: you know, properly licensed. 669 00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:53,320 Speaker 1: Not a lot of malpractice insurance payments either, I assume. 670 00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:55,520 Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, that's the other big thing is like if 671 00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:57,320 Speaker 6: you go out of the country and have surgery and 672 00:34:57,360 --> 00:35:00,680 Speaker 6: you get completely botched, you have no recourse whatsoever. You 673 00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:03,080 Speaker 6: you know, you can't sue somebody in the Dominican Republic 674 00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:05,480 Speaker 6: or Turkey like like you would be able to in 675 00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:07,759 Speaker 6: your own country. So yeah, we could talk for a 676 00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:10,840 Speaker 6: whole nother hour about medical tourism. But but yeah, this 677 00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:13,960 Speaker 6: this lady went to the Turkey and got this facelift, 678 00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:16,440 Speaker 6: and you know, apparently she had a pretty rough recovery. 679 00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:18,040 Speaker 6: It said it took her I not think it was 680 00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:20,839 Speaker 6: like months and months until she felt like herself again. 681 00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:23,920 Speaker 6: And you know, they asked her would you do this again? 682 00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:26,560 Speaker 6: And she said probably not. But but I mean, I 683 00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:28,480 Speaker 6: think the bottom line is that, you know, getting a 684 00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:31,040 Speaker 6: facelift in your twenties is just out of bounds in 685 00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:33,239 Speaker 6: my book. You know, even people that come to me 686 00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:36,319 Speaker 6: in their forties, I you know, oftentimes will steer them 687 00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:39,440 Speaker 6: to a non surgical therapy, and facelift is something you 688 00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:41,600 Speaker 6: only want to have once, right. You don't have a 689 00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:44,120 Speaker 6: facelift that you know forty five and then have to 690 00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:46,520 Speaker 6: repeat it down the road. So yeah, I'm a little 691 00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:48,880 Speaker 6: bit conservative in the plastic surgery world. I think that 692 00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:51,759 Speaker 6: you know, definitely, twenties is way too young, thirties way 693 00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:54,520 Speaker 6: too young, and even forties is pushing it generally when 694 00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:56,560 Speaker 6: people get into their fifties. I'm like, yeah, okay, this 695 00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:58,240 Speaker 6: is this is kind of a reasonable. 696 00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:02,439 Speaker 1: Option when you do a facelift procedure. And I don't 697 00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:05,399 Speaker 1: know that you do facelifts per safe, but I do. Yeah, 698 00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:09,200 Speaker 1: you do, okay, So yeah, how long is the procedure? 699 00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:12,080 Speaker 1: Is the patient, as in typical surgery, knocked out or 700 00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:14,719 Speaker 1: is it sort of a procedure where the patient can 701 00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:17,440 Speaker 1: stay awake from part or all of these the procedure. 702 00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:21,800 Speaker 6: That's a bit of a controversial question. They can be 703 00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:25,800 Speaker 6: done awake. I do not do them awake. To me, 704 00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:28,880 Speaker 6: it's just safer with the patient asleep. You know, you 705 00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:31,120 Speaker 6: can get into issues where if you're doing them under 706 00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:34,879 Speaker 6: local anesthesia, that either can give someone too much local 707 00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:39,120 Speaker 6: anesthetic which can cause problems or they just can't tolerate it. 708 00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:42,560 Speaker 6: And so, you know, as I've gotten older and further 709 00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:46,279 Speaker 6: in my career, you know, I take less risk for sure, 710 00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:48,040 Speaker 6: and so you know, the safest thing is to do 711 00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:51,719 Speaker 6: this under general anesthesia. But that being said, there are 712 00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:54,120 Speaker 6: some very good surgeons that do these under local all 713 00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:56,279 Speaker 6: the time. But as far as the time, it takes 714 00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:58,360 Speaker 6: me about four hours to do a facelift. That's just 715 00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:02,000 Speaker 6: an average timeframe, and and that does include the nec 716 00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:04,920 Speaker 6: We almost always do necklift with facelift because the incisions 717 00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:07,719 Speaker 6: are the same, and typically if somebody needs a facelift, 718 00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:09,799 Speaker 6: typically they'll they'll need a necklift as well. 719 00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:13,279 Speaker 1: And while you're doing this procedure, all of us try 720 00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:20,080 Speaker 1: to visualize how many assistants you're You're the doctor, obviously, 721 00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:24,160 Speaker 1: sure how many nurses and other assistants are there with you? 722 00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:26,960 Speaker 1: I mean, this is this is this is not simple stuff, 723 00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:28,000 Speaker 1: it's complicated stuff. 724 00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:33,400 Speaker 6: Sure. Yeah, so I do my surgeries in a fully licensed, 725 00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:37,520 Speaker 6: regulated surgery center. So with me, it's the anesthesiologist. Uh, 726 00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:40,880 Speaker 6: there's a circulating nurse which will get supplies like suture 727 00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:44,120 Speaker 6: instruments if we need something extra. And then there's a 728 00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:47,200 Speaker 6: scrub or a certified surgical assistant which you know hands 729 00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:50,040 Speaker 6: me the instruments and assistant surgery. So it's a it's 730 00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:53,200 Speaker 6: a four person team, uh, in addition to the patient 731 00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:53,600 Speaker 6: being there. 732 00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:59,640 Speaker 1: Well, it's it's amazing medically what all all you don't 733 00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:03,000 Speaker 1: all of you folks professional medical professionals can do. And 734 00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:06,840 Speaker 1: thanks very much for being somewhat skeptical on this. I 735 00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:10,040 Speaker 1: know this is this There is a trend amongst a 736 00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:11,960 Speaker 1: lot of young people who are going to try to 737 00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:15,840 Speaker 1: do things as early as they can. And sure, I 738 00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:19,840 Speaker 1: think that the caution that you have articulated tonight needed 739 00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:20,800 Speaker 1: to be heard by people. 740 00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:24,080 Speaker 6: To be honest with you, no, I agree. I mean, 741 00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:28,120 Speaker 6: you know it's unfortunately that you know, social media is 742 00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:31,040 Speaker 6: pushing this. I mean, on the one hand, social media 743 00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:34,200 Speaker 6: has been good because it makes information about these procedures 744 00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:36,480 Speaker 6: more available, but then on the other hand, it almost 745 00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:40,000 Speaker 6: pushes people to do things you know, that they may 746 00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:42,040 Speaker 6: not do, or push them to do it ahead of time. 747 00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:44,160 Speaker 6: So yeah, it's an interesting world we live in. But 748 00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:47,560 Speaker 6: anybody's thinking about these procedures, you know. I encourage people 749 00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:50,080 Speaker 6: if you're thinking about doing something, do your research. You know, 750 00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:53,320 Speaker 6: go have multiple consults, and you know, you go go 751 00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:55,040 Speaker 6: see a doctor's can take the time to talk to 752 00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:56,360 Speaker 6: you about all the pros and cons of it. 753 00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:59,120 Speaker 1: And it's tough. Also in the world where social media, 754 00:38:59,880 --> 00:39:03,240 Speaker 1: you know, holds up people like Giselle Bunchkin and Taylor 755 00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:07,080 Speaker 1: Swift as ideals, and young young women particularly look in 756 00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:08,640 Speaker 1: the mirror and they say, well, how do I get 757 00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:11,160 Speaker 1: to look better than Taylor Swift? 758 00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:16,160 Speaker 6: Yeah, it's unrealistic beauty standards, right, yeah, unrealistic standards. Yeah, 759 00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:18,320 Speaker 6: it's sad. I mean I feel bad for people, and 760 00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:20,840 Speaker 6: you know, I started to do my part to educate 761 00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:23,960 Speaker 6: people so people aren't making bad decisions about things than 762 00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:24,560 Speaker 6: you so much. 763 00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:28,080 Speaker 1: Appreciate it, very very much, doctor Bruce Hermann, plastic surgeon. 764 00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:31,320 Speaker 6: Thank you again, doctor No, thank you, It's been my pleasure. 765 00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:34,520 Speaker 1: Right back at you. We get back nine o'clock News. 766 00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:39,200 Speaker 1: We will be talking about the big contract to fix 767 00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:42,239 Speaker 1: the plazas out on the mass Turnpike and elsewhere. It 768 00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:44,960 Speaker 1: affects all of us, and right now it's not going 769 00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:47,240 Speaker 1: in a particularly good direction. I'll talk with John Chester 770 00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:51,640 Speaker 1: of the Globe, just a fabulous bysic reporter, and Eric Slifka, 771 00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:55,040 Speaker 1: who is the CEO of Global Partners back on Nights Side, 772 00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:55,879 Speaker 1: right after the nine