1 00:00:00,720 --> 00:00:01,000 Speaker 1: To night. 2 00:00:01,080 --> 00:00:03,640 Speaker 2: Michael Brown joins me here the former FEMA director talk. 3 00:00:03,520 --> 00:00:04,520 Speaker 3: Show host Michael Brown. 4 00:00:04,640 --> 00:00:07,040 Speaker 4: Brownie, no, Brownie, You're doing a heck of a job 5 00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:11,520 Speaker 4: the Weekend with Michael Brown broadcasting Life from Denver, Colorado. 6 00:00:11,640 --> 00:00:13,480 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Weekend of Michael Brown. Glad to 7 00:00:13,520 --> 00:00:16,360 Speaker 1: have you joining the program today. Text line as usual 8 00:00:16,440 --> 00:00:19,520 Speaker 1: is always opened three three one zero three three three 9 00:00:19,560 --> 00:00:22,720 Speaker 1: one zero three. Keyword Mike or Michael. All the social 10 00:00:22,720 --> 00:00:26,920 Speaker 1: media is the same now, whether it's ex Facebook, Instagram 11 00:00:26,960 --> 00:00:29,480 Speaker 1: at Michael D. Brown, at Michael D. Brown, Go give 12 00:00:29,480 --> 00:00:33,080 Speaker 1: me a follow. I greatly appreciate it. I don't like 13 00:00:33,159 --> 00:00:36,640 Speaker 1: to be lied to unless you tell me how handsome, 14 00:00:36,720 --> 00:00:40,000 Speaker 1: smart and talented I am. And then you know, you 15 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:43,120 Speaker 1: can do that all you want to. But what really 16 00:00:43,200 --> 00:00:50,680 Speaker 1: drives me nuts is how the cabal really does try 17 00:00:50,680 --> 00:00:55,120 Speaker 1: to establish these narratives and this and then just purposely 18 00:00:55,160 --> 00:01:00,520 Speaker 1: mislead people so that they can act as well. It's 19 00:01:00,560 --> 00:01:05,120 Speaker 1: their job as a member of this cabal, the ruling elite, 20 00:01:05,120 --> 00:01:09,840 Speaker 1: the tech giants, and the dominant media. They're they're all 21 00:01:09,880 --> 00:01:13,720 Speaker 1: fighting for your mind because unfortunately, there are too many 22 00:01:13,720 --> 00:01:16,880 Speaker 1: Americans who can't think for themselves or or won't think 23 00:01:16,920 --> 00:01:20,240 Speaker 1: for themselves. And I'm not going I'm not going to 24 00:01:20,280 --> 00:01:23,960 Speaker 1: excuse anybody. I I previously it was. It was one 25 00:01:23,959 --> 00:01:29,000 Speaker 1: of my main contentions that I understood and I still 26 00:01:29,040 --> 00:01:33,080 Speaker 1: do understand that some people are just too busy. You've 27 00:01:33,080 --> 00:01:35,360 Speaker 1: got to you know, you're maybe you're living paycheck to paycheck, 28 00:01:35,760 --> 00:01:41,319 Speaker 1: you've got a dysfunctional family, or you you've got a 29 00:01:41,360 --> 00:01:45,680 Speaker 1: medical issue. You're just busy because of work, raising your kids, 30 00:01:45,720 --> 00:01:49,120 Speaker 1: getting them to school. I get all of that. I mean, 31 00:01:49,160 --> 00:01:53,680 Speaker 1: you're talking to a guy who, you know, uh married, 32 00:01:53,760 --> 00:01:56,960 Speaker 1: had a child, going to law school, working, doing all 33 00:01:57,080 --> 00:01:59,400 Speaker 1: those things at the same time. Sometimes you gotta do 34 00:01:59,440 --> 00:02:01,560 Speaker 1: what you gotta do. And I understand that. I hate 35 00:02:01,560 --> 00:02:05,160 Speaker 1: that phrase, but I understand it. But I'm becoming less 36 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:08,800 Speaker 1: tolerant of the useful idiots in our society who just 37 00:02:08,880 --> 00:02:12,760 Speaker 1: allow the media to just implant in their brain, and 38 00:02:12,800 --> 00:02:17,440 Speaker 1: then people without any reasoning thinking whatsoever, just go along 39 00:02:17,480 --> 00:02:22,280 Speaker 1: with it. And then those of us who, and I know, 40 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:26,280 Speaker 1: I make no bones about it. I am right of center, 41 00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:30,840 Speaker 1: I am a conservative, I am a libertarian, but I'll 42 00:02:30,880 --> 00:02:33,840 Speaker 1: call out Republicans as much as I will Democrats for 43 00:02:33,919 --> 00:02:41,519 Speaker 1: their stupidity and it bugs me when people understand that 44 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:47,680 Speaker 1: the masses out there are busy or distracted or whatever, 45 00:02:47,720 --> 00:02:49,800 Speaker 1: and then they take advantage of them. And there are 46 00:02:49,800 --> 00:02:52,320 Speaker 1: two great examples from this week, and I want to 47 00:02:52,320 --> 00:02:55,480 Speaker 1: delve into both of those. And the first one starts 48 00:02:56,080 --> 00:03:01,200 Speaker 1: I I've told you before. I mean, there are a 49 00:03:01,240 --> 00:03:04,079 Speaker 1: lot of newspapers that I read, but I make sure 50 00:03:04,120 --> 00:03:06,280 Speaker 1: that I go through the Washington Post, of New York Times, 51 00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:08,920 Speaker 1: the Wall Street Journal of Los Angeles Times, and of 52 00:03:08,919 --> 00:03:12,960 Speaker 1: course the Denver Post and the Denver Gazette. Now, there 53 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:15,120 Speaker 1: are lots of other websites and news sites that I 54 00:03:15,240 --> 00:03:19,120 Speaker 1: used too, but I primarily focus on those as newspapers 55 00:03:19,240 --> 00:03:23,079 Speaker 1: in air quotes, in addition to obviously the cable channels 56 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:26,320 Speaker 1: and all the online research that I do. But the 57 00:03:26,440 --> 00:03:33,160 Speaker 1: Washington Post and CBS News this week blatantly, blatantly lied 58 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:40,000 Speaker 1: to people or misled people, trying to get you, tugging 59 00:03:40,040 --> 00:03:43,640 Speaker 1: at your heartstrings, trying to get you to oh, oh, 60 00:03:43,880 --> 00:03:49,480 Speaker 1: it is so sad. It's school. The Washington Post first, which, 61 00:03:49,520 --> 00:03:53,040 Speaker 1: by the way, on their masthead it's still democracy dies 62 00:03:53,080 --> 00:04:01,960 Speaker 1: in darkness. Well, yes, but you're shining a light bulb, 63 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:06,480 Speaker 1: a light not on the powerful. And when you do 64 00:04:06,560 --> 00:04:09,080 Speaker 1: shine the light on the powerful, you're very selective on 65 00:04:09,120 --> 00:04:12,880 Speaker 1: which powerful you shine the light on. If democracy dies 66 00:04:12,920 --> 00:04:15,440 Speaker 1: in the darkness once you get a big flood lamp. 67 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:20,280 Speaker 1: And why don't you look at your own party. Here's 68 00:04:20,320 --> 00:04:25,279 Speaker 1: the headline from January twenty second. Just what two days ago? 69 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:28,680 Speaker 1: The abhorrent power of the photograph of a five year 70 00:04:28,680 --> 00:04:32,800 Speaker 1: old held by ice and image like this could once 71 00:04:32,920 --> 00:04:38,280 Speaker 1: change history? Can one still? A viral image of five 72 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:41,200 Speaker 1: year old Liam Conehill Rainbow shows the boy in a 73 00:04:41,320 --> 00:04:45,040 Speaker 1: blue knit hat with white bunny ears and palm palms, 74 00:04:45,360 --> 00:04:48,280 Speaker 1: standing with a blank look in his face, staring at 75 00:04:48,320 --> 00:04:51,080 Speaker 1: the back of a truck. Liam and his father were 76 00:04:51,080 --> 00:04:55,480 Speaker 1: captured by Immigrations and Customs enforcement officers in Minnesota on Tuesday, 77 00:04:55,760 --> 00:04:58,600 Speaker 1: and both are now detained in San Antonio, more than 78 00:04:58,640 --> 00:05:03,520 Speaker 1: one from Leon's home, his school, his friends, and most 79 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:07,799 Speaker 1: of his family. School officials in Minnesota. Reports the Washington 80 00:05:07,839 --> 00:05:13,280 Speaker 1: Post say that the pre kindergarten student was used as 81 00:05:13,440 --> 00:05:17,320 Speaker 1: bait by ice in an apparent attempt to gain access 82 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:20,719 Speaker 1: to the adults inside the private house where he once lived. 83 00:05:21,080 --> 00:05:24,200 Speaker 1: That act, the use of a boy too young to 84 00:05:24,279 --> 00:05:27,360 Speaker 1: understand the political game in which he became a pawn 85 00:05:27,960 --> 00:05:32,080 Speaker 1: mirrors in a perverse and deeply disturbing way, the power 86 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:36,479 Speaker 1: of the photograph. The photograph stirs empathy and compassion, the 87 00:05:36,520 --> 00:05:40,880 Speaker 1: same emotions that ICE agents apparently use to entice adults 88 00:05:40,880 --> 00:05:47,920 Speaker 1: into making themselves vulnerable to capture. Wow, that's pretty strong. 89 00:05:49,640 --> 00:05:54,719 Speaker 1: The Washington Post builds its entire narity around the photograph 90 00:05:54,800 --> 00:05:57,000 Speaker 1: of a crying five year old boy being carried by 91 00:05:57,000 --> 00:05:59,919 Speaker 1: what they want you to believe is an ICE agent 92 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:05,040 Speaker 1: snatching him from his family. The headline screamed, that tragedy. 93 00:06:05,080 --> 00:06:08,960 Speaker 1: The framing drips with outrage and your heart breaks looking 94 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:12,159 Speaker 1: at that image, which is exactly what they're counting on. 95 00:06:12,839 --> 00:06:16,320 Speaker 1: He's a cute kid. He's a really cute kid. And 96 00:06:16,360 --> 00:06:18,880 Speaker 1: he does have a blank look on his face, like 97 00:06:19,320 --> 00:06:21,080 Speaker 1: I have no clue what's going on. He's got a 98 00:06:21,080 --> 00:06:26,240 Speaker 1: funny blue little doggie kind of hat on. Here's what 99 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:31,000 Speaker 1: the Post eventually admits, but only after you've gotten emotionally invested. 100 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:35,200 Speaker 1: He wasn't being taken from his family. He was being 101 00:06:35,200 --> 00:06:39,760 Speaker 1: taken with his family. His father, an undocumented alien who 102 00:06:39,880 --> 00:06:45,000 Speaker 1: ICE was arresting, was bringing the child along during the arrest. Now, 103 00:06:45,080 --> 00:06:48,000 Speaker 1: listen to that again. The father brought his five year 104 00:06:48,080 --> 00:06:54,000 Speaker 1: old son to an immigration enforcement action, and when the 105 00:06:54,080 --> 00:06:58,920 Speaker 1: situation became chaoti and the child became upset. As Jimney Christmas, 106 00:06:58,960 --> 00:07:02,119 Speaker 1: you've been around a five year old, an agent picked 107 00:07:02,240 --> 00:07:07,760 Speaker 1: up and carried the crying child. The Washington Post quotes 108 00:07:07,839 --> 00:07:10,600 Speaker 1: Ramsey County Sheriff Bob Fletcher saying the child quote was 109 00:07:10,640 --> 00:07:14,600 Speaker 1: with his father, who was being arrested, not separated from, 110 00:07:14,640 --> 00:07:18,360 Speaker 1: not taken from with notice. How the Post describes this, 111 00:07:18,640 --> 00:07:22,920 Speaker 1: the photo shows a uniform officer carrying a small, crying child. 112 00:07:23,080 --> 00:07:26,640 Speaker 1: Well that's technically true, but the image they want in 113 00:07:26,680 --> 00:07:30,280 Speaker 1: your mind is a jack booted thug ripping kids from 114 00:07:30,280 --> 00:07:34,640 Speaker 1: his mother's arms, the family separation narrative that enraged Americans 115 00:07:34,640 --> 00:07:39,080 Speaker 1: in twenty eighteen. But what really happened here? A father 116 00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:43,120 Speaker 1: made the decision to have his kid present during his 117 00:07:43,200 --> 00:07:49,360 Speaker 1: own arrest. Now the situation distress the child. You don't 118 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:51,920 Speaker 1: think the father didn't know that, or was the father 119 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:54,280 Speaker 1: so concerned about his own self entered he didn't care 120 00:07:54,320 --> 00:07:58,680 Speaker 1: about his kid, and an officer carried the upset child 121 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:03,160 Speaker 1: rather than just leaving him crying on the ground. But 122 00:08:03,280 --> 00:08:07,560 Speaker 1: you don't get that picture from the framing used by 123 00:08:07,560 --> 00:08:13,320 Speaker 1: the Washington Post. The Post mentions there's body camera footage where, 124 00:08:13,760 --> 00:08:15,920 Speaker 1: but they convenely don't link to it, and they certainly 125 00:08:15,920 --> 00:08:18,280 Speaker 1: don't describe what it shows in detail. Why because the 126 00:08:18,360 --> 00:08:25,120 Speaker 1: context kills their narrative. Excuse me, sare Sheriff Fletcher did 127 00:08:25,160 --> 00:08:29,640 Speaker 1: release the footage. It shows the officers trying to de escalate. 128 00:08:30,440 --> 00:08:33,880 Speaker 1: They're trying to keep the situation calm. They're dealing with 129 00:08:33,920 --> 00:08:40,400 Speaker 1: a really chaotic scene, a scene that was chaote that 130 00:08:40,520 --> 00:08:44,160 Speaker 1: the father caused by bringing his child to this action. 131 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:49,000 Speaker 1: In fact, the Post poach Fletcher explaining the video will 132 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:53,000 Speaker 1: show the truth, but then they proceed to frame the 133 00:08:53,040 --> 00:08:57,280 Speaker 1: story in a way that obscues that truth. Now, the 134 00:08:57,400 --> 00:09:01,280 Speaker 1: article pivots to constitutional scholars got to listen to the 135 00:09:01,320 --> 00:09:07,600 Speaker 1: experts right expressing concern about immigration enforcement. They quote legal 136 00:09:07,640 --> 00:09:11,840 Speaker 1: experts worried about Fourth Amendment violations and dragnet operations. But 137 00:09:11,920 --> 00:09:15,080 Speaker 1: here's what they don't tell you. This was not a 138 00:09:15,160 --> 00:09:18,800 Speaker 1: random sweep. According to the article itself, it was a 139 00:09:18,920 --> 00:09:24,959 Speaker 1: targeted operation against specific individuals that had deportation orders already. 140 00:09:25,240 --> 00:09:28,400 Speaker 1: It was not a dragnet. It was a law enforcement 141 00:09:29,120 --> 00:09:34,199 Speaker 1: executing court orders. So that creates a false dilemma for 142 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:37,360 Speaker 1: the Washington Post. You want to know what that is. 143 00:09:37,840 --> 00:09:47,960 Speaker 1: I'll be right back. Welcome back to the Weekend with 144 00:09:47,960 --> 00:09:49,680 Speaker 1: Michael Brown. Glad to have you with me. We're talking 145 00:09:49,720 --> 00:09:53,000 Speaker 1: about two things this hour, The Washington Post and CBS 146 00:09:53,040 --> 00:09:55,240 Speaker 1: News both trying to lie to you and talking to 147 00:09:55,320 --> 00:09:58,520 Speaker 1: your heartstrings and frankly just lying to you. So we're 148 00:09:58,520 --> 00:10:01,720 Speaker 1: talking about this photograph. If you haven't found the photograph, 149 00:10:02,400 --> 00:10:06,640 Speaker 1: it's everywhere. The kid is cute, and the Post wants 150 00:10:06,679 --> 00:10:11,920 Speaker 1: you to think that ICE agents have snatched this kid. 151 00:10:13,480 --> 00:10:16,720 Speaker 1: It wasn't a random suite. In fact, if you dig 152 00:10:16,800 --> 00:10:19,960 Speaker 1: deep enough in the article, you'll see this was a 153 00:10:20,600 --> 00:10:26,079 Speaker 1: targeted Immigrations and Customs enforcement operation against very specific individuals 154 00:10:26,320 --> 00:10:30,720 Speaker 1: who had deportation orders. So it wasn't a dragnet like 155 00:10:30,760 --> 00:10:33,720 Speaker 1: they want you to believe. So the Post creates a 156 00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:38,360 Speaker 1: false dilemma. Either you are horrified by this image of 157 00:10:38,400 --> 00:10:43,440 Speaker 1: a crying kid, or you support indiscriminate immigration raids. And 158 00:10:43,480 --> 00:10:46,160 Speaker 1: there can be no middle ground in their framing where 159 00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:48,360 Speaker 1: you can think, well, maybe the parents shouldn't bring their 160 00:10:48,480 --> 00:10:54,320 Speaker 1: kids to their own arrests. The article spends paragraph after 161 00:10:54,520 --> 00:10:59,880 Speaker 1: paragraph on the emotional impact of the photo, the crying child, 162 00:11:00,360 --> 00:11:05,920 Speaker 1: the militarized appearance of the Ice agents. What do they bury, Well, 163 00:11:05,920 --> 00:11:11,160 Speaker 1: they bury the actual facts. The father had a deportation order, 164 00:11:12,520 --> 00:11:15,680 Speaker 1: he had got in his due process. It would be 165 00:11:15,880 --> 00:11:18,960 Speaker 1: like you you've been through. You know, you get charged 166 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:23,959 Speaker 1: with armed robbery, rape or murders, sault and battery. I 167 00:11:23,960 --> 00:11:28,840 Speaker 1: don't care any level of crime, and as usually happens 168 00:11:28,840 --> 00:11:31,840 Speaker 1: with the exception of rape or murder, but let's say 169 00:11:31,840 --> 00:11:35,520 Speaker 1: assault and battery. Well, probably not bank robbery either. But 170 00:11:35,960 --> 00:11:39,800 Speaker 1: there are some criminal cases where you get your due process, 171 00:11:39,920 --> 00:11:42,240 Speaker 1: you go through a preliminary hearing, you go through a trial, 172 00:11:42,440 --> 00:11:45,920 Speaker 1: there's a jury verdict or a trial to the court, 173 00:11:46,320 --> 00:11:49,640 Speaker 1: and you get your verdict and you're found guilty and 174 00:11:49,679 --> 00:11:54,320 Speaker 1: then you have to reappear in court for your sentencing. 175 00:11:55,760 --> 00:11:58,920 Speaker 1: But you decide, you know what, I know, I got 176 00:11:58,920 --> 00:12:01,240 Speaker 1: convicted of assault and batter. I beat the crap out 177 00:12:01,240 --> 00:12:04,080 Speaker 1: of you know whomever. But I don't want to go 178 00:12:04,120 --> 00:12:08,840 Speaker 1: to jail, so I'm gonna go hide. So a bench 179 00:12:08,880 --> 00:12:12,800 Speaker 1: warnt is issued and the judge says, go find that 180 00:12:12,880 --> 00:12:15,760 Speaker 1: Michael Brown, because he didn't show up for his sentencing hearing, 181 00:12:15,760 --> 00:12:17,360 Speaker 1: and I was going to sentence him to four years 182 00:12:17,360 --> 00:12:21,360 Speaker 1: in prison. Well, that's kind of what happened here. The 183 00:12:21,440 --> 00:12:24,120 Speaker 1: father had a deportation order, meaning that he had appeared 184 00:12:24,160 --> 00:12:30,040 Speaker 1: either before an immigration judge or a federal judge, or 185 00:12:30,040 --> 00:12:34,920 Speaker 1: a magistrate judge or even an administrative judge, and they 186 00:12:34,960 --> 00:12:37,760 Speaker 1: found that he was in the country without authorization. He 187 00:12:37,800 --> 00:12:41,480 Speaker 1: was an illegal alien, and so they issued a deportation order, 188 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:44,000 Speaker 1: and they ordered him by such and such a date 189 00:12:44,040 --> 00:12:47,080 Speaker 1: to leave the country. He failed to self deport, so 190 00:12:47,200 --> 00:12:50,360 Speaker 1: now they're executing a warrant for his arrest so they 191 00:12:50,360 --> 00:12:54,640 Speaker 1: can deport him subject to that. Because of that deportation order. 192 00:12:54,840 --> 00:13:00,560 Speaker 1: He had a deportation order. He chose to have his 193 00:13:00,720 --> 00:13:06,600 Speaker 1: kid present when Ice came to get him. No family 194 00:13:06,640 --> 00:13:11,479 Speaker 1: separation occurred. The child was kept with the family members afterward. 195 00:13:12,200 --> 00:13:15,960 Speaker 1: This was targeted enforcement. It was not a random raid. 196 00:13:17,360 --> 00:13:19,600 Speaker 1: But let's go back to family separation, because there was 197 00:13:19,600 --> 00:13:22,440 Speaker 1: no family separation here. But if you go back to 198 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:25,200 Speaker 1: the example of me being charged with salt and battery 199 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:27,160 Speaker 1: and I failed to show up for my court hearing, 200 00:13:27,400 --> 00:13:29,080 Speaker 1: and if I've got a seven year old or a 201 00:13:29,080 --> 00:13:32,760 Speaker 1: five year old kid at home, and they execute a 202 00:13:32,840 --> 00:13:35,720 Speaker 1: bench warrant to come and arrest me so the judge 203 00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:38,800 Speaker 1: can sentence me to my four years in prison. Guess 204 00:13:38,840 --> 00:13:40,760 Speaker 1: what they're going to come with a social worker or 205 00:13:40,800 --> 00:13:43,679 Speaker 1: maybe not because maybe they maybe they don't know I've 206 00:13:43,720 --> 00:13:46,439 Speaker 1: got a seven year old kid at home. So they 207 00:13:46,480 --> 00:13:49,400 Speaker 1: come and they arrest me in my home and they discover, oh, 208 00:13:49,440 --> 00:13:52,000 Speaker 1: there's a seven year old kid here. So now they call, 209 00:13:52,160 --> 00:13:54,480 Speaker 1: you know, Health and Human Services, and Health and Human 210 00:13:54,480 --> 00:13:57,360 Speaker 1: Services shows up and they take my seven year old 211 00:13:57,600 --> 00:14:00,240 Speaker 1: and they put the seven year old kid into the 212 00:14:00,679 --> 00:14:03,679 Speaker 1: juvenile system. Who's going to end up either hopefully with 213 00:14:03,720 --> 00:14:05,680 Speaker 1: a with a relative, but may end up in a 214 00:14:05,720 --> 00:14:11,079 Speaker 1: foster care. Where is the outrage about that? It's family separation. 215 00:14:12,320 --> 00:14:17,760 Speaker 1: It's the same thing. But no, that's not the narrative. 216 00:14:18,920 --> 00:14:24,320 Speaker 1: Now the here here's the tell what they quote versus 217 00:14:24,320 --> 00:14:27,960 Speaker 1: what they emphasize. Now the post includes Sheriff Fletcher's statements 218 00:14:28,040 --> 00:14:31,320 Speaker 1: defending Ice and explaining what actually happened. They include his 219 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:33,720 Speaker 1: point that the father made the decision to have the 220 00:14:33,800 --> 00:14:39,720 Speaker 1: child there, but those facts are treated as Fletcher's claims 221 00:14:39,800 --> 00:14:43,040 Speaker 1: just one side of a debate, rather than what they 222 00:14:43,120 --> 00:14:48,440 Speaker 1: actually are which is a factual record of what occurred. Meanwhile, 223 00:14:48,760 --> 00:14:57,720 Speaker 1: critics emotional reactions are presented as somehow unassailable truth. You know, authority, you. 224 00:14:57,640 --> 00:14:58,040 Speaker 2: Know, you know. 225 00:14:58,040 --> 00:15:01,840 Speaker 1: What the Post could have done is just written an 226 00:15:01,880 --> 00:15:04,440 Speaker 1: article with the headline that says something like father brings 227 00:15:04,480 --> 00:15:08,000 Speaker 1: five year old to his own ice arrest, child becomes distressed, 228 00:15:08,760 --> 00:15:12,360 Speaker 1: Or how about immigration activists questions whether parents should involve 229 00:15:12,440 --> 00:15:16,720 Speaker 1: children in enforcement action, or here'd be a really good headline. 230 00:15:17,320 --> 00:15:20,880 Speaker 1: Body camera footage shows ICE agents attempting to calm crying 231 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:24,920 Speaker 1: child brought the scene by father. But those headlines don't 232 00:15:24,920 --> 00:15:28,040 Speaker 1: serve the narrative. They don't generate outrage, They don't fit 233 00:15:28,080 --> 00:15:31,640 Speaker 1: the predetermined story that The Washington Post wants to tell 234 00:15:31,680 --> 00:15:37,880 Speaker 1: about Trump's immigration crackdown. The Washington Post wants you to 235 00:15:37,960 --> 00:15:42,360 Speaker 1: convict based on a photograph. They're counting on you to 236 00:15:42,400 --> 00:15:45,640 Speaker 1: see that crying child and to stop your critical thinking. 237 00:15:47,680 --> 00:15:53,160 Speaker 1: But context is everything. That single photograph doesn't show what 238 00:15:53,240 --> 00:15:56,880 Speaker 1: happened before or after. It doesn't show who made what decisions. 239 00:15:56,920 --> 00:15:59,440 Speaker 1: It doesn't show the full video the sheriff released. The 240 00:15:59,520 --> 00:16:03,640 Speaker 1: Post had access to all of that context, but they 241 00:16:03,720 --> 00:16:10,760 Speaker 1: chose not to use it. That's not journalism, that's advocacy. 242 00:16:11,640 --> 00:16:14,760 Speaker 1: Washington Post isn't lying to you. They're too sophisticated for that. 243 00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:18,600 Speaker 1: They're simply choosing which truths to emphasize, in which ones 244 00:16:18,600 --> 00:16:23,000 Speaker 1: to obscure or hide. They're using emotional images to bypass 245 00:16:23,160 --> 00:16:27,120 Speaker 1: your rational thinking. They're framing a story of printal decision 246 00:16:27,160 --> 00:16:33,720 Speaker 1: making is somehow government overreach. It's propaganda, pure unadulterated propaganda 247 00:16:33,800 --> 00:16:36,920 Speaker 1: dressed up as journalism. And the crying kid in that 248 00:16:36,920 --> 00:16:42,120 Speaker 1: photograph he's being used twice, once by a dirt bagged 249 00:16:42,200 --> 00:16:45,080 Speaker 1: father who brought him to his arrest, and then again 250 00:16:45,200 --> 00:16:48,960 Speaker 1: by a national newspaper that needs his tears to sell 251 00:16:48,960 --> 00:16:52,760 Speaker 1: their narrative and sell newspapers and establish that narrative. And 252 00:16:52,880 --> 00:16:57,720 Speaker 1: what this on Trump and this on Ice? The real 253 00:16:57,760 --> 00:17:01,880 Speaker 1: tragedy here is not ice enforcement. It'stead of five year 254 00:17:01,880 --> 00:17:05,640 Speaker 1: old's worst days being weaponized by adults on all sides. 255 00:17:06,160 --> 00:17:10,000 Speaker 1: First by a parent who involved him in an immigration arrest, 256 00:17:10,160 --> 00:17:12,639 Speaker 1: then being used by a newspaper that needed his image 257 00:17:12,680 --> 00:17:19,000 Speaker 1: to generate outrage clicks. That child deserved better from every 258 00:17:19,040 --> 00:17:22,880 Speaker 1: adult in his life, including the journalists at the Washington 259 00:17:22,960 --> 00:17:30,000 Speaker 1: Post CBS you're next. I'll be right back. 260 00:17:37,400 --> 00:17:39,600 Speaker 5: Too night. Michael Brown joins me here, the former FEMA 261 00:17:39,640 --> 00:17:40,600 Speaker 5: director of talk show. 262 00:17:40,400 --> 00:17:41,240 Speaker 3: Host Michael Brown. 263 00:17:41,320 --> 00:17:43,720 Speaker 4: Brownie, no, Brownie, You're doing a heck of a job 264 00:17:43,920 --> 00:17:46,000 Speaker 4: the Weekend with Michael Brown. 265 00:17:46,520 --> 00:17:48,439 Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Weekend with Michael Brown. Glad to 266 00:17:48,440 --> 00:17:50,160 Speaker 1: have you with me. I appreciate you tuning in. We're 267 00:17:50,200 --> 00:17:56,520 Speaker 1: talking about how the cabal is misleading you. We'll get 268 00:17:56,560 --> 00:17:58,800 Speaker 1: to CBS in just a minute. Be sure and follow 269 00:17:58,840 --> 00:18:02,119 Speaker 1: me on social media, whether or Facebook, Instagram, or x 270 00:18:02,280 --> 00:18:05,320 Speaker 1: It's all at Michael D. Brown, at Michael D. 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I don't normally repeat stories that I do 280 00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:37,320 Speaker 1: during the week on the weekend. I my little bit, 281 00:18:37,359 --> 00:18:39,399 Speaker 1: but not almost verbatim. But I want to go to 282 00:18:39,480 --> 00:18:43,320 Speaker 1: CBS News because this is a story like the Washington 283 00:18:43,320 --> 00:18:45,280 Speaker 1: Post story, but I think this was this one is 284 00:18:45,320 --> 00:18:48,680 Speaker 1: even more blatant, and maybe it's maybe it seems more 285 00:18:48,680 --> 00:18:52,280 Speaker 1: blatant to me because it's on television. So the CBS 286 00:18:52,400 --> 00:18:56,560 Speaker 1: Evening News did this story and then they took the 287 00:18:56,640 --> 00:19:00,680 Speaker 1: same package and they used it on CBS News twenty 288 00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:05,000 Speaker 1: four to seven, which is their primetime streaming service that 289 00:19:05,119 --> 00:19:10,879 Speaker 1: runs weekdays, and Major Garrett was the reporter on this one. 290 00:19:10,960 --> 00:19:14,240 Speaker 1: So this is it's the same story. It's the same package, 291 00:19:14,880 --> 00:19:18,720 Speaker 1: just presented by a different anchor. The reason I chose 292 00:19:18,760 --> 00:19:22,239 Speaker 1: this one for the weekend is because it comes with 293 00:19:22,400 --> 00:19:28,160 Speaker 1: a caption, And the caption is this Minnesota Corrections chief 294 00:19:28,320 --> 00:19:34,440 Speaker 1: slams fundamentally false claims about non cooperation with ice. Let 295 00:19:34,480 --> 00:19:38,320 Speaker 1: that sink in. Then the subhead is the Department of 296 00:19:38,359 --> 00:19:41,760 Speaker 1: Homeland Security is claiming local authorities in Minnesota are not 297 00:19:41,880 --> 00:19:47,000 Speaker 1: cooperating with their operations. CBS News Homeland Security correspondent Nicole 298 00:19:47,080 --> 00:19:52,320 Speaker 1: Spanga spoke with Minnesota Corrections Commissioner Paul Schnell, who says 299 00:19:52,320 --> 00:19:58,840 Speaker 1: those allegations are false. Wow, So CBS News wants you 300 00:19:58,880 --> 00:20:03,800 Speaker 1: to know that DA is lying to you about whether 301 00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:09,000 Speaker 1: or not Minnesota is cooperating. Got the premise, Here's the story. 302 00:20:09,720 --> 00:20:12,240 Speaker 2: Welcome back to the takeout. Tensions between state officials in 303 00:20:12,280 --> 00:20:15,639 Speaker 2: Minnesota and the Trump White House are increasing. The Department 304 00:20:15,680 --> 00:20:19,439 Speaker 2: of Homeland Security is claiming that local authorities are not cooperating. 305 00:20:19,480 --> 00:20:23,920 Speaker 2: Minnesota Corrections Chief Paul Schnell tells our Nicole Skanga those 306 00:20:23,960 --> 00:20:25,520 Speaker 2: allegations are false. 307 00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:29,560 Speaker 3: Does it feel like the Department of Homeland Security is 308 00:20:29,680 --> 00:20:33,320 Speaker 3: lying when it says that state authorities are not cooperating? 309 00:20:33,840 --> 00:20:39,639 Speaker 5: It is fundamentally false. We cooperate with ICE and ICE attainers. 310 00:20:40,119 --> 00:20:42,920 Speaker 5: We have as a matter of policy, done that for 311 00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:45,960 Speaker 5: a long long time. And so how they can say 312 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:51,280 Speaker 5: that is unbelievable. I just cannot find any way to 313 00:20:51,359 --> 00:20:52,280 Speaker 5: explain what they're doing. 314 00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:54,200 Speaker 1: Let's cool. 315 00:20:54,320 --> 00:20:57,040 Speaker 2: Nicole Skanga joined us now from Saint Paul. Nicole, I'm 316 00:20:57,080 --> 00:20:59,200 Speaker 2: always happy to have you with us. What else did 317 00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:04,560 Speaker 2: you learn in your conversation with mister Snell? 318 00:21:04,800 --> 00:21:07,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, major, Just to set the scene for you. If 319 00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:10,440 Speaker 3: you can hear protesters behind me, it's because we're outside 320 00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:14,720 Speaker 3: of the federal Law enforcement ICE facility here in Saint Paul. 321 00:21:15,080 --> 00:21:18,080 Speaker 3: We were inside that building just yesterday. I'll get to 322 00:21:18,119 --> 00:21:21,320 Speaker 3: mister Schnell in just a minute. But inside that building, Major, 323 00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:24,520 Speaker 3: we were told by top ICE and CBP officials a 324 00:21:24,600 --> 00:21:28,280 Speaker 3: pretty explosive What they said was a fact. 325 00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:29,560 Speaker 5: I think the. 326 00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:33,439 Speaker 3: Jury is out on that, but that state officials have 327 00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:37,280 Speaker 3: released upwards of four hundred, five hundred criminals into the 328 00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:42,400 Speaker 3: streets of Minnesota. Now, we asked the top corrections officer 329 00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:44,800 Speaker 3: in the state of Minnesota, Paul Schnell, about that. Take 330 00:21:44,800 --> 00:21:47,560 Speaker 3: a listen to what he had to say. The Department 331 00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:50,760 Speaker 3: of Homeland Security says, roughly four hundred and fifty criminals 332 00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:54,879 Speaker 3: have been released into Minnesota streets. And you say, you 333 00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:56,480 Speaker 3: don't know where that number comes from. 334 00:21:56,600 --> 00:21:58,800 Speaker 5: We have no idea where that number comes from. We 335 00:21:58,840 --> 00:22:02,840 Speaker 5: know that we released four people, two ice, two ice 336 00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:06,760 Speaker 5: that were subject to detainers. And so this notion that 337 00:22:06,760 --> 00:22:11,640 Speaker 5: Minnesota is not honoring federal ICE detainers is utterly untrue. 338 00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:15,240 Speaker 3: Why is this so far off from the American public's 339 00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:16,760 Speaker 3: understanding of what's happening. 340 00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:21,720 Speaker 5: I can't explain it. It makes no sense. 341 00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:28,600 Speaker 3: And Major, when you hear that discussion of federal detainers, 342 00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:33,040 Speaker 3: immigration detainers, basically an immigration detainer is a request from 343 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:37,200 Speaker 3: ICE that asks the federal, state local law enforcement agency 344 00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:42,800 Speaker 3: prisons jails to notify ICE as early as possible before 345 00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:46,560 Speaker 3: they release a removable individual or someone who is here 346 00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:49,280 Speaker 3: in the United States illegally, and to hold that person 347 00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:51,640 Speaker 3: for up to forty eight hours so that ICE can 348 00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:52,360 Speaker 3: pick them up. 349 00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:52,600 Speaker 5: Now. 350 00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:57,159 Speaker 3: Yesterday in that federal facility, we also heard from officials 351 00:22:57,160 --> 00:22:59,760 Speaker 3: within ICE and CBP that said, right now there are 352 00:22:59,840 --> 00:23:03,200 Speaker 3: more more than one thousand, three hundred and sixty ICE 353 00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:07,240 Speaker 3: detainers statewide. We went back to Commissioner Schnell, we asked 354 00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:09,800 Speaker 3: him about that number, and he told us that he 355 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:13,840 Speaker 3: did a state wide jail survey and found that two 356 00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:17,680 Speaker 3: hundred and seven individuals in state prisons and ninety four 357 00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:21,119 Speaker 3: in county jails are subject to ICE detainers right now. 358 00:23:21,359 --> 00:23:24,120 Speaker 3: That is fewer than three hundred, and that is certainly 359 00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:28,760 Speaker 3: nowhere near the one thousand, three hundred and sixty immigration 360 00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:32,439 Speaker 3: detainers that DHS claims are out right now. So we 361 00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:35,520 Speaker 3: have reached out to the Department of Homeland Security. But 362 00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:38,840 Speaker 3: while for weeks we've been covering sort of dueling narratives 363 00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:41,480 Speaker 3: here on the ground in Saint Paul and in Minneapolis. 364 00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:44,399 Speaker 3: We're now finding that officials can't even agree on the 365 00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:49,399 Speaker 3: actual numbers here, and you have the state's top corrections 366 00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:52,280 Speaker 3: officer telling us he's not even sure where DHS is 367 00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:53,280 Speaker 3: getting its facts. 368 00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:58,000 Speaker 2: That is important reporting, Nicole, Thank you so very much 369 00:23:58,040 --> 00:23:58,480 Speaker 2: for that. 370 00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:02,480 Speaker 1: That's an important reading, Nicole, Thank you so very much. 371 00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:09,040 Speaker 1: What a load of bull crap. So CBS News airs 372 00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:13,120 Speaker 1: this short first CBS Morning segment published at least one 373 00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:16,639 Speaker 1: written piece built around that interview with Minnesota Corrections Commissioner 374 00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:21,720 Speaker 1: Paul Schnell, in which he denies that DHS and ICE 375 00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:25,399 Speaker 1: claims that Minnesota is releasing hundreds of dangerous criminals instead 376 00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:31,160 Speaker 1: of turning him over to ICE. The CBS pieces and 377 00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:36,600 Speaker 1: all these packages make several core points. Snell, the state 378 00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:44,639 Speaker 1: prisons commissioner, calls DHS's accusations fundamentally faults and says that 379 00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:49,919 Speaker 1: Minnesota Corrections does cooperate with ICE and ICE detainers, and 380 00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:51,719 Speaker 1: in fact, they've had a policy of doing that for 381 00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:54,560 Speaker 1: a long time. And you may recall that he also said, 382 00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:59,119 Speaker 1: we have released eighty four people that were transferred directly 383 00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:02,840 Speaker 1: from state pri to ICE custody in twenty twenty five. 384 00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:09,120 Speaker 1: Then CBS repeats the DHS messaging that there are more 385 00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:14,400 Speaker 1: than thirteen hundred penning ICE detainers statewide, and highlights ICE's 386 00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:18,960 Speaker 1: public pressure campaign on Governor Walls to honor all ICE detainers. 387 00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:25,040 Speaker 1: Now here's the key. CBS frames the dispute as DHS 388 00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:29,919 Speaker 1: saying that Minnesota is releasing criminals into the streets, versus 389 00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:33,520 Speaker 1: the commissioner insisting we didn't release them into the community, 390 00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:37,960 Speaker 1: we release them to ICE, and noting that ICE itself 391 00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:43,000 Speaker 1: sometimes releases people after they are in federal custody. Now, 392 00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:46,560 Speaker 1: the on air segment tags Minnesota as being accused of 393 00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:52,200 Speaker 1: not cooperating with ICE, and then Schnell, the state prison commissioner, 394 00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:56,840 Speaker 1: is presented as rebutting that claim, calling DHS worst to 395 00:25:56,920 --> 00:26:00,600 Speaker 1: the worst lists propaganda and saying that staff level cooperation 396 00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:06,080 Speaker 1: actually works very well. That's the core narity. Here's where 397 00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:11,920 Speaker 1: that narrative conflates different systems and misleads you about what 398 00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:17,640 Speaker 1: Minnesota law enforcement, generally speaking, is doing with ICE. They 399 00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:25,080 Speaker 1: interview the Commissioner of State Prisons. The Minnesota Department of 400 00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:32,120 Speaker 1: Corrections runs state prisons, not county or city jails, and 401 00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:35,600 Speaker 1: in fact, the commissioner himself emphasizes that his authority is 402 00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:38,919 Speaker 1: limited to state prisons, and the compliance with civil detainers 403 00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:42,520 Speaker 1: varies at the county level. Well, even that's a mistake. 404 00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:47,080 Speaker 1: That doesn't tell the entire truth. Yes, civil detainer varies 405 00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:50,120 Speaker 1: at the county level. It also varies at the local 406 00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:55,000 Speaker 1: level in every state, every I don't care where you're listening. 407 00:26:55,119 --> 00:27:01,080 Speaker 1: Every state, well except Louisiana, you have because they have perishes. 408 00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:07,560 Speaker 1: You have state prisons, you have county or parish prisons, 409 00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:11,800 Speaker 1: and you have local prisons. You got a local police department, 410 00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:15,359 Speaker 1: they got a local jail. I live in Douglas County, Colorado. 411 00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:18,120 Speaker 1: I've got a Douglas County jail, and I live in Colorado, 412 00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:22,680 Speaker 1: and I've got the Colorado prison system, three levels of incarceration. 413 00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:27,439 Speaker 1: So when the commissioner says that I don't know what 414 00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:30,480 Speaker 1: Ice is talking about because we released eighty four, he's 415 00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:35,000 Speaker 1: telling the truth. He's actually telling the truth. But CBS 416 00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:40,240 Speaker 1: manipulates you because they conflate the total number of all 417 00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:46,760 Speaker 1: detainers to just the state and the state prison. I 418 00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:50,200 Speaker 1: believe the commissioner. I believe he's telling the truth. They 419 00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:55,000 Speaker 1: released they turned over eighty four prisoners who had detainers. 420 00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:58,680 Speaker 1: They turned them over directly to Immigrations and Customs enforcement, 421 00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:03,320 Speaker 1: because that's all he knows about, that's all he deals with. 422 00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:08,560 Speaker 1: But CBS wraps it into one fight, into one bucket 423 00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:14,440 Speaker 1: of just prisoners. Now, the Department of Corrections the state 424 00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:17,800 Speaker 1: has one policy they're going to notify and hand off 425 00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:21,639 Speaker 1: to ICE at the prison release. But the sheriffs running 426 00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:25,320 Speaker 1: county jails and the police chiefs running their city jails, 427 00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:32,280 Speaker 1: they have their own policies and they don't cooperate. CBS 428 00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:38,360 Speaker 1: blatantly lies and conflates to its audience, not once, but 429 00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:41,560 Speaker 1: at least three times on the CBS Evening News, the 430 00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:44,760 Speaker 1: one that I played during the week, and then on 431 00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:49,440 Speaker 1: their online CBS program CBS twenty four to seven, and 432 00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:53,160 Speaker 1: in the written piece they have at CBS dot Com 433 00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:59,480 Speaker 1: three times CBS lies. Minnesota state law and civil rights 434 00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:02,760 Speaker 1: litigation means that local law enforcement they can't lawfully keep 435 00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:05,920 Speaker 1: someone solely on a nice detainer. That might be a 436 00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:09,120 Speaker 1: reason why county's limit cooperation, but that has nothing to 437 00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:11,600 Speaker 1: do with whether they're cooperating or not. And by the way, 438 00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:14,080 Speaker 1: if that is true, then why doesn't CBS point that out. 439 00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:19,400 Speaker 1: CBS will gesture at detainers but they never really explain 440 00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:23,280 Speaker 1: that legal distinction, so they leave the impression that honoring 441 00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:26,640 Speaker 1: detainers is simply a question of political will rather than 442 00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:31,600 Speaker 1: any sort of statutory limit or liability. Some Minnesota agencies 443 00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:34,040 Speaker 1: do have what are called to two eighty seven g 444 00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:38,320 Speaker 1: agreements to work directly with ICE and others, notably Hennepin County, 445 00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:43,120 Speaker 1: which is where Minneapolis is explicitly decline broader cooperation. That's 446 00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:48,479 Speaker 1: the difference between a regular county and a sanctuary county, 447 00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:53,320 Speaker 1: or a regular local government and a sanctuary local government. 448 00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:58,440 Speaker 1: The state prison system, by contrast, is required by state 449 00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:04,800 Speaker 1: law to notify. So the CBS framing treats Minnesota or 450 00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:09,800 Speaker 1: Minnesota authorities as a single actor, so you, as a viewer, 451 00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:14,040 Speaker 1: a listener, or reader, you never get an accurate map 452 00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:20,920 Speaker 1: state Department of Corrections versus multiple independent sheriffs, city cops, 453 00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:25,680 Speaker 1: city police chiefs, each having different legal constraints, different policies. 454 00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:30,520 Speaker 1: So you put it together. The CBS story does a 455 00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:33,920 Speaker 1: few things that will sound good in a three minute package, 456 00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:38,520 Speaker 1: but it muddies the facts for you. It deliberately misleads you, 457 00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:48,520 Speaker 1: and I'll explain that next. Welcome back to the Weekend 458 00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:50,120 Speaker 1: with Michael Brown. Glad to have you with me. We're 459 00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:54,240 Speaker 1: talking about CBS News this Actually I'm giving you two examples. 460 00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:57,480 Speaker 1: The Washington Post misleads and lies to you, and now 461 00:30:57,560 --> 00:31:02,120 Speaker 1: CBS News does it. And well, I can't say that 462 00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:06,320 Speaker 1: one bothers me more than the other. They both bother me. 463 00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:08,600 Speaker 1: If I had to choose, I'd say CBS bothers me 464 00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:14,920 Speaker 1: more because it's more widespread, has a larger distribution, and 465 00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:18,960 Speaker 1: it has it syndicates. This story takes one package and 466 00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:22,680 Speaker 1: syndicates it out on the CBS Evening News, on their 467 00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:30,240 Speaker 1: online Internet news, and then on their website, so everybody 468 00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:34,080 Speaker 1: gets the same bull crap. Now you put it together. 469 00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:38,000 Speaker 1: The CBS story does a few things that sound good 470 00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:42,040 Speaker 1: in a three minute package, but they muddy and mislead 471 00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:47,160 Speaker 1: the audience. They muddy and mislead you. They convert a 472 00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:53,080 Speaker 1: multi layered policy dispute into a binary dispute. It's Minnesota 473 00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:58,400 Speaker 1: versus DHS. It's much more than that, because DHS is criticism, 474 00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:03,480 Speaker 1: targets both state and local authorities and uses that big 475 00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:07,160 Speaker 1: one thousand, three hundred and sixty detainer number that is 476 00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:13,320 Speaker 1: largely about counties and cities. CBS then centers their rebuttal 477 00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:18,959 Speaker 1: in the State Corrections Chief, which partially answers a charge 478 00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:25,480 Speaker 1: that was broader than what his portfolio of responsibility is. 479 00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:30,000 Speaker 1: He's only reacting to when he says, for example, that 480 00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:33,120 Speaker 1: he doesn't know where they get those numbers, that it's 481 00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:38,240 Speaker 1: all confusing to him. He's probably telling the truth because 482 00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:42,960 Speaker 1: he's only responsible for part of it, and that's the state. 483 00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:46,040 Speaker 3: Does it feel like the Department of Homeland Security is 484 00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:49,800 Speaker 3: lying when it says that state authorities are not cooperating? 485 00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:55,760 Speaker 5: It is fundamentally false. We cooperate who's we see. 486 00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:59,040 Speaker 1: CBS never tells you who the we is, so they 487 00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:01,600 Speaker 1: want you to think that mine so to cooperates. 488 00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:04,880 Speaker 5: With ICE and ICE attainers. We have as a matter 489 00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:08,240 Speaker 5: of policy, done that for a long long time. And 490 00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:13,200 Speaker 5: so how they can say that is unbelievable. I just 491 00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:15,800 Speaker 5: cannot find any way to explain what they're. 492 00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:22,440 Speaker 1: Doing, because she's even misleading him. She's talking about they 493 00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:25,440 Speaker 1: talk about there's thirteen hundred detainers out there and they've 494 00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:27,560 Speaker 1: just been released, and you know, we can't find these people. Well, 495 00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:30,760 Speaker 1: I don't know what they're talking about, because from from 496 00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:37,600 Speaker 1: his perspective, he's released eighty four and that's his policy 497 00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:44,160 Speaker 1: and has been for decades, even prior to Trump. But 498 00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:45,920 Speaker 1: that's not what CBS wants you to believe. 499 00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:51,320 Speaker 2: School Nicole Skanga joined us now from Saint Paul. Nicole, 500 00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:53,440 Speaker 2: I'm always happy to have you with us. What else 501 00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:56,080 Speaker 2: did you learn in your conversation with mister Snow. 502 00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:01,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, just to set the scene for you. If you 503 00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:05,280 Speaker 3: can hear protesters behind me, it's because we're outside of 504 00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:09,160 Speaker 3: the Federal Law Enforcement ICE facility here in Saint Paul. 505 00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:12,560 Speaker 3: We were inside that building just yesterday. I'll get to 506 00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:15,440 Speaker 3: mister Schnell in just a minute, but inside that building 507 00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:18,520 Speaker 3: major we were told by top ICE and CVP officials 508 00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:23,319 Speaker 3: a pretty explosive What they said was a fact. I 509 00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:26,920 Speaker 3: think the jury is out on that but that state? 510 00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:30,880 Speaker 1: Then why didn't you check it? If you think the 511 00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:35,719 Speaker 1: jury is out on that pretty explosive number, what does 512 00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:37,000 Speaker 1: she explain why it is? 513 00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:38,799 Speaker 3: So? 514 00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:42,640 Speaker 1: What they do is they let federal officials broad claims 515 00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:45,200 Speaker 1: hang over the entire state, and then they use a 516 00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:48,960 Speaker 1: state prison practice as the evidence of cooperation. So snail's 517 00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:52,719 Speaker 1: the commissioner's statement that we cooperate with ICE and ICE detainers. 518 00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:57,800 Speaker 1: That's true for his system, and his data show direct 519 00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:01,680 Speaker 1: Department of Corrections to ICE trans but that does not 520 00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:05,680 Speaker 1: speak to what happens in Hennepin County or any other 521 00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:10,200 Speaker 1: county or any other municipal or city jail. So they 522 00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:14,160 Speaker 1: downplay the role of ICE's own released decisions. Even Schnell 523 00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:17,720 Speaker 1: notes that a number of high profile cases that Homeland 524 00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:21,920 Speaker 1: Security taut the Department of Corrections did transfer people to ICE, 525 00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:27,319 Speaker 1: so yes, he's speaking the truth. What they do is 526 00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:32,440 Speaker 1: they deliberately blur legal constraints into sanctuary politics. So the 527 00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:36,880 Speaker 1: peace references, DHS, pressure on Waltz to honor all detainees, 528 00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:39,759 Speaker 1: and the sanctuary rhetoric, but that does not square with 529 00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:43,160 Speaker 1: Minnesota law and federal case law that makes it unlawful 530 00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:45,880 Speaker 1: for sheriffs to hold people purely on a civil detainer 531 00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:50,040 Speaker 1: in many circumstances. So that framing encourages you to see 532 00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:56,200 Speaker 1: non cooperationist political obstinatece not as compliance with legal limitations. 533 00:35:57,239 --> 00:35:59,440 Speaker 1: And then they lead you to believe that ICE is 534 00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:04,799 Speaker 1: love because they use the commissioner's numbers versus the statewide, 535 00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:11,240 Speaker 1: county and municipal numbers. Wow, and you think that I'm 536 00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:15,360 Speaker 1: hyperbolic when I talk about the cabal. Go back and 537 00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:17,439 Speaker 1: listen to this hour again. I'll be right back