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Speaker 2: And you know what, you know what they're typing.

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Speaker 1: You know what they're doing right, they're ordering their next

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Speaker 2: We got all our all our little toys.

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Speaker 1: None of it has anything to do with what's supposed

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Speaker 1: That that ship is sailed. There's no turning back on it.

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Speaker 1: But it is instructive. I mean we've talked about that

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Speaker 1: You want me to show you some of the videos,

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Speaker 1: you know, soy show the pictures I took with Roycy

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Speaker 1: It's like, okay, that's great, but what about did you

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Speaker 1: that McCartney saying I don't remember somebody? Did I think

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Speaker 1: It looks real, which again is scary how realistic it

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Speaker 1: I didn't put it on. It was already on. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Stars Wild. It's the biggest game of the year, not

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Speaker 1: That's Elijah. Look again, everybody gets to make their own choices.

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Speaker 1: up with Lou Ragoose, who's making news again just kind

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Speaker 1: it was just a week ago, That's exactly it. I

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Speaker 3: I got free.

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Speaker 1: That's commemorative, print worthy, there's no question about that. So

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Speaker 2: A little bit. The problem is when you're not a regular.

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Speaker 1: Though you get three, now you're feeling good about yourselves,

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Speaker 1: You had I think you released a video about what

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Speaker 3: Well, this is one that I've been watching since even

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Speaker 3: you know, I'm trying to find other fraud cases, and

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Speaker 3: And the trial, which was supposed to start on Monday,

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Speaker 2: And he flew the coop he got out of the country.

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Speaker 2: Is that correct.

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Speaker 4: I've been keeping track of things.

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Speaker 3: We had a camera in the court request and late

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Speaker 3: I confirm through sources that he has left the country

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Speaker 3: how did this happen? How was he able to do this?

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Speaker 3: Most of the fraud cases have been federal, and they

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Speaker 3: keep his halfport because in Minnesota they generally offer two

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Speaker 3: of you, and in this case, it would have included

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Speaker 3: is an unconditional bond. So technically he got to keep

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Speaker 1: So I'm I'm gonna keep this source anonymous. But this

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Speaker 1: individual describes state court bail as abysmal in the state

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Speaker 1: of Minnesota. This would certainly seem to confirm that point,

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Speaker 1: because I do think people have a right to say,

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Speaker 3: Well, you would think that in crimes that involved theft

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Speaker 3: In Minnesota, everybody is is afforded bail, like a chance

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Speaker 3: it's the law. Yeah, Like, so they have to set

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Speaker 3: an amount, but they're the judges have discretion, and I mean,

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Speaker 3: here's the thing. You know, everybody you know, of course,

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Speaker 3: will the judges Juan Hoyles, everybody's going to pile on him. Now.

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Speaker 3: Besides that he has been the one judge who has

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Speaker 4: Favor of the prosecution.

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Speaker 3: That this is connected to the case where the judge

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Speaker 3: overturned the jury's guilty verdict. These are related and so

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Speaker 3: but but Judge Hoyle said, you know, they were trying

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Speaker 3: to get charges dismissed, and he he didn't. He ruled

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Speaker 4: Thing, you know, it looks terrible, it.

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Speaker 1: Looks absolutely It's still I get the fact that what

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Speaker 1: the state rules are regarding bail.

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Speaker 2: I still have to believe.

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Speaker 1: In that there should be cases in which there are

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Speaker 1: certain stipulations that at least get you know, that something

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Speaker 3: Up, well, you know, if so the prosecutor wanted the

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Speaker 3: unconditional amount to be a million dollars, and that would

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Speaker 3: have been you know, I don't know how liquid this

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Speaker 3: But and then he probably would go for the conditional bail,

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Speaker 3: there is a conditional bail, but by death and unconditional

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Speaker 3: bail means that there's no conditions. Like he he could

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Speaker 3: not have violated anything as long as he showed up

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Speaker 3: for his hearing. But it wasn't triggered until he finally

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Speaker 1: This can't make sense to anyone, can it.

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Speaker 3: It's embarrassing, Yeah, it's it's incredibly embarrassing. And the Attorney

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Speaker 4: Yeah, said the guy's innocent.

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Speaker 3: After the jury convicted. This was going to be you know,

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Speaker 3: so now they have to wait until till June to

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Speaker 3: try on the next guy. And so it's just it's

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Speaker 3: What's also, by the way, this guy, this guy was

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Speaker 4: That's that was the case with this guy.

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Speaker 2: Had already he had already been convicted.

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Speaker 1: Yes, sometimes I gotta believe when you're you're doing these stories,

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Speaker 3: It's a stud when this guy when this guy was

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Speaker 3: And I don't know how much.

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Speaker 4: He knew he was under investigation for the second.

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Speaker 3: Time, but they asked him, you know, you got one

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Speaker 3: other PCA companies after you've been ordered to have nothing

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Speaker 4: They said, were.

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Speaker 3: These payments for work that you're doing for them? And

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Speaker 3: he said no, they were loan And then they said, well,

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Speaker 3: what were the loans for and he said, to pay

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Speaker 1: I gotta believe, you know, you're the guy who writes

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Speaker 1: the thing. You'll be able to present it as factual.

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Speaker 1: These things happen, and most people say not possible. Once

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Speaker 1: Regoose is making some of this stuff up, or he's

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Speaker 1: possibly be happening. Tell me about the story of one

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Speaker 3: If you see the videos on social media, that's the

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Speaker 3: And by the way, my camera did not pick up

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Speaker 3: He pleaded guilty to stealing, to basically laundering you know,

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Speaker 3: about one and a half million dollars, and he'll go

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Speaker 3: story was he has received at least thirty six million

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Speaker 3: We don't know how much of that, if any, is fraud. However,

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Speaker 3: they would not prosecute him for any other investigation that's

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Speaker 4: And I have to imagine that would mean for Medicaid fraud.

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Speaker 3: That's not a normal thing that goes into a plea deal.

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Speaker 3: It's significant. And so I think that you know, he'll

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Speaker 3: getting away with more. Well, we'll just you know, maybe

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Speaker 1: This is a plea bargain with the Feds in this case, correct.

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Speaker 4: It is.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I think they really want to finish up the

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Speaker 3: And so if there really is you know, anywhere close

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Speaker 4: There will be dozens and dozens dozens.

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Speaker 3: Of people charged for that. So far we've only seen

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Speaker 1: This individual, I believe you've reported on this in a

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Speaker 3: Is that right? Yeah, Yeah, he fought in the war

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Speaker 4: And so you know that's part of what makes it frustrated.

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Speaker 1: In that case, do we have to do any indication

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Speaker 2: You know, please pleads guilty.

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Speaker 1: So what does that mean in terms of what kind

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Speaker 1: of is it too early for us to know what

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Speaker 1: kind of punishment and why? Well, you mentioned they're trying

440
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Speaker 1: to wrap some of these things up. It just seems

441
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Speaker 1: like an awful lot to give up and depending I guess,

442
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Speaker 1: once again on what the guilty plea leads to in

443
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Speaker 1: terms of any kind of meaningful punishment.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, his case involves a whole family. So

445
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Speaker 4: his sister was what a terrible offender.

446
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Speaker 3: One of the worst. She worked with Amy bocket Feed

447
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Speaker 3: in her future.

448
00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:07,680
Speaker 4: She secretly recorded Keith.

449
00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:10,440
Speaker 3: Ellison and you know, gas lit him about, you know,

450
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Speaker 3: them being racist and trying to shut down the meal

451
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Speaker 3: sites and whatnot.

452
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Speaker 4: She recruited her mom, two.

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Speaker 3: Of her brothers, her sister, and her best friend all

454
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Speaker 3: help and they all got charged together. So Gandhi is

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Speaker 3: her brother, Ikram Muhammad is her name. Gandhi Mohammad is

456
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Speaker 3: his name. So ik She'll get I would guess at

457
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Speaker 3: least ten years in prison. She she's the main offender

458
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Speaker 3: of that group. And Gandhi you know, based on the

459
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Speaker 3: based on the charges and the guidelines and whatnot, it's

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Speaker 3: probably going to be around three.

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Speaker 4: Years in prison. And they are ordered to pay back

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Speaker 4: the money.

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Speaker 3: The question is it does that money exist anymore? Like

464
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Speaker 3: what percentage of it will be paid back. There was

465
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Speaker 3: a funny moment when when Gandhi Muhammad was in the

466
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Speaker 3: courtroom because he blurted out that I'm going to write

467
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Speaker 3: a check right now for and.

468
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Speaker 4: Then right it is.

469
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Speaker 3: He's about to say the amount. His attorney shut him up.

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Speaker 3: So then afterwards downstairs, I asked the attorney, well, how

471
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Speaker 3: much is the check he's right now? And then the

472
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Speaker 3: attorney was playing dumb and said, I don't know, I'll

473
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Speaker 3: have to check the transcript. And then I was like,

474
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Speaker 3: what the transcript of the hearing that we were just in?

475
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Speaker 2: Come on, I see that video.

476
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Speaker 1: Yeah, Nicholas is a caser kaiser kiser ar kaiser.

477
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Speaker 2: He was playing like he didn't really really know.

478
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Speaker 3: Playing like you didn't know how much money his client

479
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Speaker 3: was going to pay back.

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Speaker 4: So that's something that.

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Speaker 3: You know, what I hear a lot is like how

482
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Speaker 3: much of this money are we going to get back?

483
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Speaker 1: Yeah?

484
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Speaker 3: And you know, I think people prison is you know,

485
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Speaker 3: obviously people want everyone to go to prison, but prison

486
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Speaker 3: doesn't mean as much when you're not getting the money back.

487
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Speaker 1: I think, I yeah, I sometimes you just leave me speechless.

488
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Speaker 1: I don't know where else to go. What's the I'm

489
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Speaker 1: assuming you're already onto the next tip and then there's

490
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Speaker 1: going to be another revelation by Monday or tuesday. Is

491
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Speaker 1: there anything brewing that you can at least tease us

492
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Speaker 1: with if not give us the actual next big story.

493
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Speaker 3: Well, the crazy thing was, I thought that today was

494
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Speaker 3: going to be the day that I did a story

495
00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:11,479
Speaker 3: that didn't have to do with fraud. I'm pretty interested

496
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Speaker 3: in like the Minneapolis City Council stuff and the Chief

497
00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:18,399
Speaker 3: o'hera drama and all that sort of stuff. You know,

498
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Speaker 3: here's something that it's a talker and I'm going to

499
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Speaker 3: be reporting about it. But Minneapolis, you know, they've lost

500
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Speaker 3: so much money in their tax base, yes, with you know,

501
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Speaker 3: the downtown buildings, you know, not having to pay as much,

502
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Speaker 3: you know, all that kind of stuff. So then property

503
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Speaker 3: tax of the race, they did a study to figure

504
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Speaker 3: out how to generate more money and like would that

505
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Speaker 3: mean like a sales tax in the city, Like what

506
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Speaker 3: could it be? And the top recommendation that they've come

507
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Speaker 3: up with so far is a tax.

508
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Speaker 4: A real estate transfer tax.

509
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Speaker 3: So anyone who buys a house or sells a house,

510
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Speaker 3: there would be.

511
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Speaker 4: An additional tax on.

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Speaker 3: I figured out the numbers that they were looking at,

513
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Speaker 3: and it would be like between five thousand and ten

514
00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:07,200
Speaker 3: thousand dollars extra on a three hundred thousand dollars house

515
00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:10,280
Speaker 3: and three That was just something that I thought yeah,

516
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Speaker 3: I mean it's it's it's significant, and you know they're

517
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Speaker 3: gonna frame it as well. The rich people or the

518
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Speaker 3: business you know, the businesses corporations don't have to pay

519
00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:22,960
Speaker 3: you know, massive hundreds of millions. To the average person.

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Speaker 3: It's not that bad. But on each transaction on a

521
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Speaker 3: three hundred thousand dollars house, you're still looking at forty

522
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Speaker 3: five hundred dollars or five thousand, or depending on the

523
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Speaker 3: rate they come up with, it could be up to

524
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Speaker 3: ten thousand. And that's gonna that's gonna affect people's choices

525
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Speaker 3: when they are buying and selling their their homes, no question.

526
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Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's just that's something that's what their study

527
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Speaker 1: came up with.

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Speaker 4: Is that what you're saying, Yes, okay, it was presented

529
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Speaker 4: this week.

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Speaker 3: I didn't get a chance to report. That's it.

531
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Speaker 4: I'm just giving you a little flavor.

532
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Speaker 3: I appreciate the house that's going on that no one

533
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Speaker 3: knows about yet. I just thought that was really interesting.

534
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Speaker 3: And you know, it's still it's it's really still a

535
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Speaker 3: seller's market. So so they're gonna, of course, if you're

536
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Speaker 3: still in a house, you're gonna sy know the buyer

537
00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:01,800
Speaker 3: is going to have to pick that up. I'm not

538
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Speaker 3: going to do that.

539
00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:03,440
Speaker 4: So then if you're looking to buy.

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Speaker 3: In Minneapolis here, I've stuck with this extra five grand

541
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Speaker 3: at your clothing.

542
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Speaker 1: By the way, And I don't know how deep you've

543
00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:13,640
Speaker 1: gotten into this, but regarding the chief and what appears

544
00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:17,879
Speaker 1: to be that the votes don't exist and the city

545
00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:21,879
Speaker 1: council right now for another term, and there's been a

546
00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:25,879
Speaker 1: lot written and said about a series of complaints and

547
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:31,960
Speaker 1: what those complaints are really about how much reporting have

548
00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:36,400
Speaker 1: you done on this particular deal, because there's the ongoing

549
00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:40,199
Speaker 1: question of you know, people read about, well, they're the

550
00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:44,560
Speaker 1: number of complaints massive compared to the previous four or

551
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Speaker 1: five chiefs, and so it's almost inevitable that people say, well,

552
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:50,800
Speaker 1: there must be some smoke there if we're getting all

553
00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:51,440
Speaker 1: these complaints.

554
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Speaker 2: I've heard other people.

555
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Speaker 1: Andy Luger was just in studio here a couple of

556
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Speaker 1: weeks ago, who thinks quite highly of the chief and

557
00:27:57,119 --> 00:28:00,280
Speaker 1: says he was rather dismissive of many of them. I'm

558
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:03,320
Speaker 1: thinking that it was more about pushback to make him

559
00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:07,760
Speaker 1: look bad than really misconduct. Would any sense on where

560
00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:10,320
Speaker 1: this might be gone, because I think I think the

561
00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:13,200
Speaker 1: mayor continues to say, I'm standing behind him.

562
00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:13,560
Speaker 4: Correct.

563
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:20,119
Speaker 3: Yes, So although his comments yesterday I thought were interesting.

564
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Speaker 3: And so to answer your first question, I haven't done

565
00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:24,320
Speaker 3: enough reporting on it. I just have my ear to

566
00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:25,840
Speaker 3: the grindstone on this issue.

567
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Speaker 4: And there are a lot of complaints.

568
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:34,240
Speaker 3: I think the majority of them are are probably superficial. Okay,

569
00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:39,520
Speaker 3: based on what I've heard, rank and file have problems

570
00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:41,880
Speaker 3: with the chief, just like they pretty much do with

571
00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:44,440
Speaker 3: every chief. It's like that's not a new thing. Like

572
00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:48,080
Speaker 3: there's lots of complaints from osters on the street about

573
00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:51,520
Speaker 3: the chief, so that's not out of the ordinary. The

574
00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:54,240
Speaker 3: things that the city council members are bringing up, they

575
00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:57,480
Speaker 3: like the ones that are upset about too much over

576
00:28:57,560 --> 00:29:00,480
Speaker 3: time when we're just coming out of Operation Metro. I

577
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:02,640
Speaker 3: think that's a little bit baffling because I think that

578
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:05,840
Speaker 3: it would be obvious that there'd be unexpected over time

579
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:08,920
Speaker 3: from everything they had to do with that. And then

580
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:13,360
Speaker 3: the more the socialist wing of the City Council has

581
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:17,560
Speaker 3: problems with how certain cases. You know, there was a

582
00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:19,920
Speaker 3: domestic abuse case where they didn't do enough and the

583
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:20,840
Speaker 3: woman was murdered.

584
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:23,320
Speaker 4: There are a couple other cases.

585
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Speaker 3: And yeah, those are things where more things could have

586
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:29,280
Speaker 3: been done, But it's almost like to me, it's almost

587
00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:32,360
Speaker 3: like it's a short term memory and people have forgotten,

588
00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:35,840
Speaker 3: like what it was really like in twenty eighteen, twenty nineteen,

589
00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:39,840
Speaker 3: twenty twenty. With the things involving the Minneapolis Police Department,

590
00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:42,240
Speaker 3: I think when you look at a wider lens, things

591
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:44,360
Speaker 3: have changed quite significantly.

592
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:45,680
Speaker 4: So some of those things come as.

593
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Speaker 3: A surprise to me. But from the report, the start

594
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:51,320
Speaker 3: Tribute is doing a great job with Dino Winter as

595
00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:54,480
Speaker 3: the beat reporter, and then Rachelle Olsen you know, writes

596
00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:58,600
Speaker 3: columns here and there on regarding the city. The big

597
00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:02,520
Speaker 3: revelation to me is a couple of the council members

598
00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:05,920
Speaker 3: that I thought were huge supporters of the chief. That

599
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:09,320
Speaker 3: would be Michael Rainville and Lectricia Vita. And I haven't

600
00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:12,120
Speaker 3: spoken with them myself, so I can't speak to it yet.

601
00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:16,920
Speaker 3: But why why is there support wavering? That's a major

602
00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:18,000
Speaker 3: question to me. Yea.

603
00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:19,800
Speaker 4: And if if their support.

604
00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:21,640
Speaker 3: Is wavering, does that mean that mayor fries support is

605
00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:23,560
Speaker 3: wavering too, That's to be determined.

606
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Speaker 1: Yeah, And and those two represent what would be classified

607
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Speaker 1: as a left less strident politically speaking, part of the council. Correct,

608
00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:35,280
Speaker 1: That's that's why it stands.

609
00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:39,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, the what we call the more moderate wing

610
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Speaker 4: of the council.

611
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Speaker 2: That's it.

612
00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:41,920
Speaker 1: That's that's exactly it.

613
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Speaker 2: I readily.

614
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Speaker 1: I very much look forward to your first bathouse related video.

615
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:52,440
Speaker 1: I assume that's coming weeks as well. That's another story

616
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:55,040
Speaker 1: that's gaining that's taking up a lot of the oxygen

617
00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:58,680
Speaker 1: right now. Uh, Lewis you might which we discuss on

618
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Speaker 1: the Fox nine on TV guard and I. It's it's

619
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Speaker 1: a stunner, uh for for many of us, but there's

620
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:06,840
Speaker 1: there's probably some room there for you too.

621
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Speaker 3: Yeah. You know, I probably would have done a video

622
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:12,880
Speaker 3: of it today if had not been to this guy

623
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:14,600
Speaker 3: cleaning the country on a proadcast.

624
00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:17,200
Speaker 4: Like I thought this was gonna be. I'll finish up

625
00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:19,320
Speaker 4: the week without a story here and you know, here

626
00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:19,960
Speaker 4: it is and my.

627
00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:22,000
Speaker 3: Horizons a little bit, but then I got sucked back.

628
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:24,880
Speaker 1: In astonishing great work is always my friend. Have a

629
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:26,640
Speaker 1: wonderful weekend and we'll stay in touch.

630
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Speaker 3: Thank you, Lou, thank you so much much. Appreciate you too.

631
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Speaker 2: That's low or Goose Carolevin with.

632
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Speaker 1: I don't know another I can't say I'm surprised at

633
00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:43,440
Speaker 1: this point. I'm really not, and I, like I said,

634
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:47,240
Speaker 1: I based on everybody I've talked to, UH, the the

635
00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:51,600
Speaker 1: state bail situation is a lot leakier in general. You'd

636
00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:55,600
Speaker 1: like to think, given the pro high profile nature of

637
00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:59,760
Speaker 1: these cases, that there will be there would be some legal,

638
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:06,560
Speaker 1: awful ways to attempt to lessen the possibility that someone

639
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:10,880
Speaker 1: would be able to leave the country, even if you

640
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:13,720
Speaker 1: don't think it's about doing what's right, if you're worried

641
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:18,720
Speaker 1: about the political ramifications of it, you'd think that there'd

642
00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:22,360
Speaker 1: be some stuff put in place because this tough tends

643
00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:26,440
Speaker 1: to not happen with the FEDS, as lou laid out,

644
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:32,280
Speaker 1: So stay tuned. I mean, there's there's just when you think, well,

645
00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:35,120
Speaker 1: we've exhausted that story, there's nowhere else to go, there's

646
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:37,760
Speaker 1: always going to be someplace else to go. I think

647
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:41,480
Speaker 1: that's pretty much the nature of where we're at. Ratche

648
00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:45,280
Speaker 1: On Bryan KVN text line is open at six four

649
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Speaker 1: six eighty six. That's six four, six eighty six. In addition,

650
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:53,360
Speaker 1: don't forget we've got double T Trent Tucker at five thirty.

651
00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:55,840
Speaker 1: We've got Top five at five yet to get to

652
00:32:56,040 --> 00:33:41,400
Speaker 1: as well. Let's get a pause in right now. This

653
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:47,480
Speaker 1: came into my email account perrerocifean dot com listening apparently

654
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:50,520
Speaker 1: to lu Er Goose. This is uh, Let's see if

655
00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:54,120
Speaker 1: there's a name attached to this. I think it's Dan. Actually,

656
00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:58,080
Speaker 1: is there anybody in their right mind who still believes

657
00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:01,160
Speaker 1: that Keith Ellison, Tim Walls, i'll Omar and Jacob Fry

658
00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:03,440
Speaker 1: are not directly involved in all of this fraud?

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Speaker 2: Yes?

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Speaker 1: Me, it sounds cool to say, and if you want

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Speaker 1: to pound your fist about it, you can because it

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Speaker 1: makes you feel better. Because these are the individuals who

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Speaker 1: are in power. That's and I have certainly not been

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Speaker 1: shy about saying that the power structure in this state

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Speaker 1: has not been interested enough in pursuing these stories for

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Speaker 1: all of the wrong reasons, and that has indeed contributed

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Speaker 1: to a climate that made it ridiculously easy to get there.

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Speaker 1: So there's accountability involved in that. There should be discussion

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Speaker 1: involved in that. Anybody who listens this show knows that

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Speaker 1: that's been the position here for months and months and

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Speaker 1: months and months. There's just too much evidence of it. Now,

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Speaker 1: don't go down that road, delicate subject. We do not

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Speaker 1: want to be accused of racism. Back off, Now, who's

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Speaker 1: saying those things and how direct are those warnings, how

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Speaker 1: implied are those warnings. All that's up for discussion. But

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of reporters I respect who've been covering

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Speaker 1: this stuff from the beginning, luer Goose included, and I

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Speaker 1: we have not yet seen the because this allegation isn't

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Speaker 1: that you were asleep at the wheel or you weren't

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Speaker 1: paying close enough attention. This is saying you're you did it,

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Speaker 1: in on it, You were in on it from the beginning,

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Speaker 1: you loved it, you somehow profited from it.

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Speaker 2: So if you want to go with direct involvement, you can.

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Speaker 2: It's legal. It's the great thing about America.

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Speaker 1: But you have to offer up evidence, not just feelings,

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Speaker 1: that indicate that there is fire to go with whatever

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00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:11,640
Speaker 1: smoke we've already seen.

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Speaker 2: This is the irony of it is.

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Speaker 1: All of this is enough of an indictment for me

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Speaker 1: anyway regarding the regime. And I think the governor has

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Speaker 1: been dragged along frankly, but that should not let them

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Speaker 1: off the hook.

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Speaker 2: I think that's largely.

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Speaker 1: I think deep down people in the DFL knew that

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Speaker 1: he shouldn't run again because of many of those concerns

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Speaker 1: are legit.

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Speaker 2: Where's the accountability then?

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Speaker 1: I don't know, But again, you have to give more

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00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:57,040
Speaker 1: evidence of direct involvement, like money changing hands, being in

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Speaker 1: sessions with individuals who are involved in this stuff and

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Speaker 1: saying go ahead and do it. I know there's a

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Speaker 1: lot of anger out there, but there has to be

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Speaker 1: evidence that goes with it. The accountability as far as

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Speaker 1: I'm concerned to a certain extent when involving the governor

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Speaker 1: as being the you know, the guy at the top

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Speaker 1: of the food chain here is he's not running again

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Speaker 1: and nor should he be running again. I said that

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Speaker 1: very early in the thing that he should have the decency.

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Speaker 1: This was I want to say, a month or two

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Speaker 1: before he ultimately made that that announcement, the decency to

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Speaker 1: say I'm not running again.

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Speaker 2: It's it's at the.

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Speaker 1: Very least that brand is damaged and there should be

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Speaker 1: ramifications for it. Real quick, Well, what do we have

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Speaker 1: the rest of we have Tucker at five thirty.

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Speaker 2: I'll save it.

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Speaker 1: I'll save it for after the top five at five

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Speaker 1: because we touched on the the steam room story. That's

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Speaker 1: what I call it. Would it be saunas. Would it

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Speaker 1: be what what's the overarch termed bath houses? Yeah, get

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Speaker 1: we touched on it with Kessie wednesday, I believe right

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Speaker 1: that was on the list of items that we got into.

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Speaker 1: But since then there's been more debate, apparently at the

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Speaker 1: City Council, and it's already going down a very predictable line,

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Speaker 1: is all say, I'll save that for five point fifteen.

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Speaker 1: A very predictable line, and it's the kind of line that,

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Speaker 1: quite frankly, is exactly why you can argue there wasn't

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Speaker 1: enough pushback early on feeding our future. For example, the

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Speaker 1: strategy that's being implemented i'm parts of the City Council

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Speaker 1: right now is exactly the same strategy that got us

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Speaker 1: the state in serious trouble when it came to millions

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Speaker 1: and eventually billions of doc being stolen from the people

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Speaker 1: we were trying to get it to. The exact same

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Speaker 1: strategy is already being used.

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Speaker 2: So we'll save that for five point fifteen. Today.

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Speaker 1: Six four six eighty six is the brat Seawann brand

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Speaker 1: Kfin text line. Somebody said, well, on the on the

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Speaker 1: side of the Feds regarding the plea bargain in which

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Speaker 1: you don't even get prosecuted for another very serious series

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Speaker 1: of charges. Can we blame that on Andy Luger? No,

741
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Speaker 1: because Luber's not there anymore.

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Speaker 2: Now. He may know about that case.

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Speaker 1: My guess is he does, but he's got nothing to

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Speaker 1: do with strategy now when it comes to what you

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Speaker 1: accept on a plea bargain, right, and what the ramifications

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Speaker 1: are in that situation.

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Speaker 2: Plea bargains are part.

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Speaker 1: Of our system, and sometimes they drive us crazy. Sometimes

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Speaker 1: they serve a larger purchase a purpose, I should say,

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Speaker 1: But he has nothing, absolutely nothing to do with that

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Speaker 1: at this point. In fact, most of the people he

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Speaker 1: worked with, I think all have resigned.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 1: That's been one of the things we discussed that I think.

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Speaker 2: Was one of those.

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Speaker 1: Hidden losses that were not even going to completely understand

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Speaker 1: the significance of until quite frankly, sometime pretty much sometime

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Speaker 1: down the road as well. Let me get to I

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00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:33,520
Speaker 1: bet if Trump was governor, would be all his fault.

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Speaker 1: But since these are all lives, nothing to see here?

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Speaker 1: What did I just get done saying? I said, there's

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Speaker 1: plenty to see here. I'm saying that the climate that

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Speaker 1: existed was way too permissive, that unquestionably led to making

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Speaker 1: this sort of fraud easier. How is that my saying

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Speaker 1: there's nothing to see here? We try to be precise

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Speaker 1: on this show.

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Speaker 2: That's a completely.

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Speaker 1: Different when you go down the road of they had

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Speaker 1: committed crimes associated with this money being stolen, they knew

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Speaker 1: it was it was being stolen. It's just sorry.

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Speaker 2: That's if there's evidence of that, pursue it.

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Speaker 1: But the people who are texting me on this, they

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Speaker 1: don't know that that evidence exists. They want it to

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Speaker 1: exist because they're frustrated.

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Speaker 2: And I can't help you with them.

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Speaker 1: But stop pretending that I'm saying there's nothing to see here.

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Speaker 2: We've done nothing.

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Speaker 1: We've probably spent more time on this A Section story

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Speaker 1: than any other A Section story, certainly over the last

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Speaker 1: well you say, a year, eight months, whenever, whenever, We've

781
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Speaker 1: continuously covered this particular story, and so much so that

782
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Speaker 1: we have Paul Bloom and Louver Goose fighting over the airtime.

783
00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:04,879
Speaker 1: That's exactly friends and rivals. There's that too as well.

784
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Speaker 1: So again I get it. I know I feel your pain.

785
00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:12,040
Speaker 1: I know what you're looking for. You you want heads

786
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:14,080
Speaker 1: on a platter, you want people in prison.

787
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:15,680
Speaker 2: Damn it senator to prison.

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Speaker 1: You just have to get evidence, which is exactly what

789
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Speaker 1: Luger and his folks were doing, which is why we

790
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:26,000
Speaker 1: are even in this position in the first place. By

791
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:31,080
Speaker 1: the way, a Democrat named Andy Lueger, the guy that

792
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:37,680
Speaker 1: is now when we have him on occasionally under siege

793
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:40,480
Speaker 1: for why you're putting this democrat on. He's the guy

794
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:43,359
Speaker 1: who got this whole ball rolling with some help, as

795
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Speaker 1: he would say, from a number of people inside working

796
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Speaker 1: with him. Staff members included top five at five starts,

797
00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:54,640
Speaker 1: where what do we have well Anthony Edwards make his

798
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:58,360
Speaker 1: return tonight, gun belt tight? And what was your favorite

799
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Speaker 1: home ice advantage moment