1 00:00:00,640 --> 00:00:05,400 Speaker 1: This is the Mark Madden Show. Follow me on Twitter 2 00:00:05,400 --> 00:00:09,320 Speaker 1: at Mark Madden x. Bett has said the Steelers should 3 00:00:09,320 --> 00:00:15,560 Speaker 1: look at Stefanski, the former Bronze coach. They should, but 4 00:00:15,640 --> 00:00:21,400 Speaker 1: they won't. We got that SoundBite later. Stefanski is the 5 00:00:21,400 --> 00:00:25,919 Speaker 1: best choice, period. But of the seven people we know 6 00:00:25,960 --> 00:00:32,520 Speaker 1: they're interviewing, six are defensive coordinators. And I bet they're 7 00:00:32,520 --> 00:00:36,640 Speaker 1: interviewing that passing game coordinator from LA, the thirty year 8 00:00:36,680 --> 00:00:41,760 Speaker 1: old Shieldhouse or whatever his name is. I bet they're 9 00:00:41,800 --> 00:00:44,880 Speaker 1: interviewing him to be the head coach, but they try 10 00:00:44,920 --> 00:00:48,840 Speaker 1: to get him to be the offensive coordinator under whatever 11 00:00:48,920 --> 00:00:54,360 Speaker 1: defensive guru they appoint as head coach, which would be fine, 12 00:00:54,640 --> 00:00:57,440 Speaker 1: but he'd be dumb to do that. Stay right where 13 00:00:57,440 --> 00:01:00,920 Speaker 1: you are, young man, with Matthew Stafford. You're only thirty, 14 00:01:01,320 --> 00:01:06,720 Speaker 1: Sean McVay, keep it going. You'll do better than Pittsburgh 15 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:09,720 Speaker 1: and Stefanski. You look at him, forty three years old. 16 00:01:09,760 --> 00:01:14,360 Speaker 1: That's pretty young. Two time Coach of the Year in 17 00:01:14,400 --> 00:01:19,120 Speaker 1: Cleveland offensive mind had been had the best defense in 18 00:01:19,160 --> 00:01:20,640 Speaker 1: the league. 19 00:01:21,240 --> 00:01:22,080 Speaker 2: What's not to like? 20 00:01:23,360 --> 00:01:25,640 Speaker 1: When did having head coach in the experience at the 21 00:01:25,800 --> 00:01:30,360 Speaker 1: NFL level become a bad thing to the Rooneyes. I'll 22 00:01:30,360 --> 00:01:33,640 Speaker 1: tell you when, I'll tell you why anyway, because that's 23 00:01:33,680 --> 00:01:36,679 Speaker 1: not how daddy and granddaddy did it. We gotta do 24 00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:39,600 Speaker 1: it how daddy and Granddaddy did it. We're the Roonies 25 00:01:39,640 --> 00:01:43,559 Speaker 1: and we know better. Yet the dead Rooneys, they knew better, 26 00:01:44,319 --> 00:01:49,960 Speaker 1: these Rooneyes, don't. Let's talk to Tom Opperman. 27 00:01:50,720 --> 00:01:52,680 Speaker 2: Tom. I thought that the Fables story was brilliant. 28 00:01:52,680 --> 00:01:55,080 Speaker 1: I'm sure you've read it, But all the love the 29 00:01:55,120 --> 00:01:57,440 Speaker 1: Steelers players had for their coach added up to a 30 00:01:57,480 --> 00:02:00,080 Speaker 1: thirty six, thirty to six loss against. 31 00:01:59,840 --> 00:02:02,240 Speaker 3: You, exactly like if they really wanted him to stick 32 00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:04,160 Speaker 3: around so badly, if they really loved him so much, 33 00:02:04,160 --> 00:02:05,600 Speaker 3: they could have gone out on the field and played 34 00:02:05,600 --> 00:02:07,400 Speaker 3: a lot better in these playoff games, and then he 35 00:02:07,440 --> 00:02:09,240 Speaker 3: would absolutely still be here. 36 00:02:09,440 --> 00:02:10,160 Speaker 2: I don't know about that. 37 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:11,720 Speaker 3: No, I think he would probably be if they would 38 00:02:11,720 --> 00:02:13,480 Speaker 3: have won one of those games. I think this streak 39 00:02:13,520 --> 00:02:14,120 Speaker 3: wasn't as bad. 40 00:02:14,360 --> 00:02:16,160 Speaker 1: I think for him to stay they would have had 41 00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:18,320 Speaker 1: to win two playoff games. I think his mind had 42 00:02:18,320 --> 00:02:21,240 Speaker 1: been made up, at least if I'm him and now 43 00:02:21,280 --> 00:02:25,440 Speaker 1: we know a few of the details some unspoken about 44 00:02:25,480 --> 00:02:28,160 Speaker 1: his departure, That's what. 45 00:02:28,160 --> 00:02:28,680 Speaker 2: I would have done. 46 00:02:28,680 --> 00:02:30,639 Speaker 1: I would have wanted to get to the AFC Championship 47 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:34,400 Speaker 1: game before I stayed because at that point the crowd 48 00:02:34,440 --> 00:02:35,239 Speaker 1: going to be back with you. 49 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:36,359 Speaker 2: And I'm told by the way. 50 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:40,239 Speaker 1: Tom that the booing really did affect his family, which 51 00:02:40,280 --> 00:02:43,079 Speaker 1: is ridiculous because it happens to every coach in every city, 52 00:02:43,120 --> 00:02:43,760 Speaker 1: with every team. 53 00:02:43,760 --> 00:02:45,360 Speaker 3: Well, I'm not just talking about this year though, I'm 54 00:02:45,360 --> 00:02:47,440 Speaker 3: talking about like if there wasn't the seven game losing 55 00:02:47,440 --> 00:02:49,120 Speaker 3: streak in the playoffs, right if he's not on the 56 00:02:49,160 --> 00:02:51,760 Speaker 3: graphic as longest losing streak with Marvin Lewis for the 57 00:02:51,760 --> 00:02:53,920 Speaker 3: rest of time now, probably because that's a long losing 58 00:02:53,919 --> 00:02:56,160 Speaker 3: streak in the playoffs for a coach to end up 59 00:02:56,200 --> 00:02:59,320 Speaker 3: matching usually get fired before you reach seven straight playoff losses. 60 00:02:59,800 --> 00:03:02,480 Speaker 3: If it wasn't for that stuff, like if there was 61 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:05,040 Speaker 3: a win somewhere in there because TJ. Watt wrecked a game, 62 00:03:05,040 --> 00:03:07,280 Speaker 3: where because Cam Hayward wrecked a game, I don't think 63 00:03:07,280 --> 00:03:08,239 Speaker 3: he walks away right now. 64 00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:11,880 Speaker 1: Well, like I said, if it was a factor that 65 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:14,200 Speaker 1: he got booed, that his family was upset about that, 66 00:03:15,320 --> 00:03:19,239 Speaker 1: it happens with every team for sure, every city, every 67 00:03:19,240 --> 00:03:21,959 Speaker 1: coach except cop at Liverpool and I'm not kidding, but 68 00:03:22,639 --> 00:03:24,560 Speaker 1: coaches just get booed at some point. 69 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:28,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like the life cycle, right, It's gonna happen eventually, 70 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:32,120 Speaker 3: especially here in America. That's we demand success, right, and 71 00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:34,720 Speaker 3: the booze will come eventually for anybody, and they did 72 00:03:34,720 --> 00:03:35,200 Speaker 3: for Tomlin. 73 00:03:35,240 --> 00:03:38,160 Speaker 1: But you know what's funny is Josina Anderson said that 74 00:03:38,200 --> 00:03:41,680 Speaker 1: the booze and the criticism came into play with Thomas family. 75 00:03:41,720 --> 00:03:44,760 Speaker 1: And while I did say at the time that Josina 76 00:03:44,800 --> 00:03:47,840 Speaker 1: will whie to further her agenda, I do believe she 77 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:51,320 Speaker 1: talks to Tomalin. So now in light of what I've 78 00:03:51,320 --> 00:03:53,840 Speaker 1: heard since then, you know, after what she said and 79 00:03:53,880 --> 00:03:56,360 Speaker 1: other things that have kind of powed up whispered in 80 00:03:56,440 --> 00:03:58,880 Speaker 1: my ear, I believe that to. 81 00:03:59,040 --> 00:04:02,160 Speaker 3: Act like, you know, hearing the city boo Tomlin and 82 00:04:02,200 --> 00:04:04,760 Speaker 3: then that he's betraying him, and that the family be like, Wow, 83 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:06,600 Speaker 3: I can't believe the city's betraying us. After all this 84 00:04:06,920 --> 00:04:09,920 Speaker 3: what are you talking about? This is results oriented. This 85 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:12,320 Speaker 3: is what the name of the game is. You have 86 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:15,480 Speaker 3: to win football games in the playoffs. If you don't, 87 00:04:15,680 --> 00:04:18,000 Speaker 3: there's the door you've been extended. 88 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:19,360 Speaker 2: Mike Tomlin in the family. 89 00:04:19,440 --> 00:04:23,159 Speaker 3: The longest leash that you could ever imagine anywhere else 90 00:04:23,200 --> 00:04:23,880 Speaker 3: that's not gonna happen. 91 00:04:23,880 --> 00:04:25,960 Speaker 2: Wherever you go, would have been fired years ago. And 92 00:04:25,960 --> 00:04:27,840 Speaker 2: anywhere he goes least five years ago. 93 00:04:28,520 --> 00:04:30,360 Speaker 1: Uh you know, if you if you know, the the 94 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:34,839 Speaker 1: underachieving with the Killer Bees, with Ben Bell and Brown, Yes, 95 00:04:34,920 --> 00:04:36,360 Speaker 1: would have been enough to get a lot of coaches 96 00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:37,800 Speaker 1: fired in a lot of places. 97 00:04:38,040 --> 00:04:40,600 Speaker 3: That's kind of what just happened to his counterpart, Harball, right, 98 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:43,680 Speaker 3: had an unbelievable offense that he's underachieving with you you 99 00:04:43,760 --> 00:04:44,320 Speaker 3: get tired. 100 00:04:44,480 --> 00:04:46,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, he goes to the Giants crazy. 101 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:48,159 Speaker 1: Although I got to say, and you know why he 102 00:04:48,200 --> 00:04:51,080 Speaker 1: went there, Jackson Dart likes a better job, like I 103 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:53,480 Speaker 1: said yesterday, than the Steelers job. 104 00:04:53,760 --> 00:04:56,200 Speaker 2: But Lamar ran Harball out of time. Yeah he wont. 105 00:04:56,560 --> 00:04:57,640 Speaker 2: He ran Tomlin out of time. 106 00:04:57,920 --> 00:05:01,719 Speaker 3: Very true, except the medium of course, and the fans booing. 107 00:05:01,960 --> 00:05:05,440 Speaker 2: Lamar won that power struggle. That's clear as day. 108 00:05:05,440 --> 00:05:08,120 Speaker 3: But to your point, like, there was an offense that 109 00:05:08,240 --> 00:05:09,919 Speaker 3: is good enough to win a Super Bowl, maybe not 110 00:05:09,960 --> 00:05:13,200 Speaker 3: this year, but in years past, and Harbaugh hasn't delivered. 111 00:05:13,240 --> 00:05:15,480 Speaker 3: He delivered one AFC Championship game and they lost to 112 00:05:15,520 --> 00:05:17,720 Speaker 3: the Chiefs, it's underachieving with that and he got shown 113 00:05:17,760 --> 00:05:18,080 Speaker 3: the door. 114 00:05:18,640 --> 00:05:22,200 Speaker 1: Defabo said, the players criticized the coordinators, but not Tomlin. 115 00:05:22,560 --> 00:05:25,960 Speaker 1: But Tomlin hired the coordinators. And if the players don't 116 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:28,560 Speaker 1: see that or just ignore it, then they're as dumb as. 117 00:05:28,400 --> 00:05:32,680 Speaker 3: The fans, without question. And how can you not connect 118 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:33,279 Speaker 3: those dots? 119 00:05:33,320 --> 00:05:33,480 Speaker 4: Right? 120 00:05:34,279 --> 00:05:37,000 Speaker 3: And that goes beyond what these players said in that 121 00:05:37,040 --> 00:05:39,880 Speaker 3: player's only meeting in two de faybo mark like with 122 00:05:39,960 --> 00:05:42,640 Speaker 3: the national media narrative, like Tomlin shows up the training 123 00:05:42,640 --> 00:05:44,680 Speaker 3: camp and sees the roster for the first time, right, 124 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:46,640 Speaker 3: and it's like, oh, I got a polish this crap 125 00:05:46,640 --> 00:05:47,760 Speaker 3: and try to get it to the playoffs. 126 00:05:48,160 --> 00:05:51,160 Speaker 1: Everything that happened good and bad in the last nineteen years, 127 00:05:51,200 --> 00:05:55,080 Speaker 1: Tomlin was by far the primary architect of and there's 128 00:05:55,120 --> 00:05:58,279 Speaker 1: no way he should be ennobled on his way out 129 00:05:58,279 --> 00:06:01,680 Speaker 1: the door. I said, he didn't fail, but he certainly 130 00:06:01,760 --> 00:06:04,760 Speaker 1: didn't succeed enough, and not given what he had to 131 00:06:04,760 --> 00:06:07,159 Speaker 1: work with. Maybe not right this second, but like I said, 132 00:06:07,560 --> 00:06:10,120 Speaker 1: during the Killer Bees era and with the Hall of 133 00:06:10,160 --> 00:06:11,799 Speaker 1: Fame quarterback. 134 00:06:12,080 --> 00:06:13,320 Speaker 2: The fable did a great job. 135 00:06:13,560 --> 00:06:15,440 Speaker 1: I felt like he was inside the locker room the 136 00:06:15,480 --> 00:06:18,920 Speaker 1: way he constructed everything. And you know, there's not a 137 00:06:18,960 --> 00:06:23,120 Speaker 1: lot of reporting done in today's sports media world. There's 138 00:06:23,120 --> 00:06:24,960 Speaker 1: a lot of regurgitating done, but not a lot of 139 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:27,840 Speaker 1: reporting in the fable. Clearly had a lot of guys 140 00:06:27,880 --> 00:06:31,080 Speaker 1: who trusted him in that locker room to tell him 141 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:35,840 Speaker 1: very exactly what happened. Now, now it's very evident that 142 00:06:35,880 --> 00:06:39,680 Speaker 1: the players do love coach t Why should fans care 143 00:06:39,720 --> 00:06:43,039 Speaker 1: about that? It all added up to zilts that's what 144 00:06:43,080 --> 00:06:45,320 Speaker 1: the fans care about, But yet fans do. 145 00:06:45,839 --> 00:06:48,880 Speaker 2: They shouldn't, but they do, like, oh he. 146 00:06:49,200 --> 00:06:53,279 Speaker 1: Affected the personal wise, I don't care, and nobody should care. 147 00:06:53,760 --> 00:06:55,560 Speaker 3: I like how you put it in your open when 148 00:06:55,560 --> 00:06:57,760 Speaker 3: you said, why should we care about the Steelers being 149 00:06:57,800 --> 00:07:02,320 Speaker 3: this one big happy lose family emphasis on the losing. 150 00:07:02,640 --> 00:07:04,839 Speaker 3: They were winning playoff games, not even super Bowls if 151 00:07:04,839 --> 00:07:07,360 Speaker 3: they were getting the AFC championship games, which Bill Kauer, 152 00:07:07,440 --> 00:07:09,120 Speaker 3: you know, got stuck in that mode for a little bit. 153 00:07:09,160 --> 00:07:11,160 Speaker 2: There. You take that though, that's. 154 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:13,720 Speaker 3: A really good season, Then I care about how it's 155 00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:16,280 Speaker 3: kumbaya and how Tomlin's so great personally, Like. 156 00:07:16,240 --> 00:07:18,120 Speaker 2: I don't even care. I don't care about that. That's fine. 157 00:07:18,160 --> 00:07:19,800 Speaker 2: You don't have to but I will like it's cool, 158 00:07:19,880 --> 00:07:22,440 Speaker 2: then it's a story, right, but winning has to come 159 00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:22,720 Speaker 2: with that. 160 00:07:23,880 --> 00:07:27,320 Speaker 1: It's just that they're attempted to flect like you never 161 00:07:27,400 --> 00:07:30,080 Speaker 1: hear like I said, he should not be ennobled on 162 00:07:30,080 --> 00:07:31,880 Speaker 1: his way out the door after not winning a playoff 163 00:07:31,920 --> 00:07:35,040 Speaker 1: game in nine seasons and being double figured in his 164 00:07:35,120 --> 00:07:36,520 Speaker 1: last five playoff losses. 165 00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:39,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, other teams around the league that haven't achieved anything 166 00:07:39,120 --> 00:07:41,520 Speaker 3: in a decade, which Steelers technically haven't because they haven't 167 00:07:41,520 --> 00:07:43,640 Speaker 3: won a playoff game, you don't hear about how how 168 00:07:43,680 --> 00:07:46,119 Speaker 3: great the environment is there and how everybody just loves 169 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:47,360 Speaker 3: this coach who never wins. 170 00:07:47,960 --> 00:07:50,040 Speaker 1: The new hire is going to be a defensive coordinator, 171 00:07:50,280 --> 00:07:53,440 Speaker 1: Like of the seven guys, they're interviewing six or defensive 172 00:07:53,480 --> 00:07:56,320 Speaker 1: coordinators and I I boy, who would have thought me 173 00:07:56,400 --> 00:07:59,600 Speaker 1: and Bettis would agree on something. It should be Stefanski 174 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:02,200 Speaker 1: not even going to interview the guy, if you which 175 00:08:02,280 --> 00:08:05,600 Speaker 1: is which is management malpractice to not even interview him. 176 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:08,280 Speaker 3: Now, I know you know you hired the coordinator before 177 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:10,320 Speaker 3: and you started to win right away, but you've only 178 00:08:10,400 --> 00:08:13,640 Speaker 3: done that two times after Chucks were smart. 179 00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:14,760 Speaker 2: These roonies are dumb. 180 00:08:14,800 --> 00:08:17,200 Speaker 3: And it's also just the sample size is too small 181 00:08:17,240 --> 00:08:19,000 Speaker 3: to even say like, oh, well that's how you do it. 182 00:08:19,040 --> 00:08:20,600 Speaker 2: We know we have the data for that. 183 00:08:21,520 --> 00:08:24,080 Speaker 3: Art Rooney said yesterday that we're not interested in wasting 184 00:08:24,080 --> 00:08:26,360 Speaker 3: a season right like, we're interested in competing right away. 185 00:08:26,560 --> 00:08:28,480 Speaker 3: Wouldn't you want to get a guy that is established 186 00:08:28,520 --> 00:08:30,920 Speaker 3: as a head coach and has competed in the AFC North. 187 00:08:30,720 --> 00:08:35,440 Speaker 1: And offer them their best chance to win immediately to like, 188 00:08:35,520 --> 00:08:37,520 Speaker 1: But I think they're headed to a dark period. In fact, 189 00:08:37,520 --> 00:08:39,080 Speaker 1: part of me, and I'll talk about this later, the 190 00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:41,800 Speaker 1: cynic in me thinks Tom Win left because he knew 191 00:08:42,040 --> 00:08:44,960 Speaker 1: that the dark period was coming, with or without him coaching. 192 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:48,640 Speaker 1: And now that that nineteen year no losing season streak 193 00:08:49,280 --> 00:08:52,160 Speaker 1: lives forever. The Fabo was so good that article that 194 00:08:52,200 --> 00:08:53,680 Speaker 1: we're going to bring him back again today. He was 195 00:08:53,720 --> 00:08:55,600 Speaker 1: on earlier this week. He'll join us at the bottom 196 00:08:55,640 --> 00:08:57,839 Speaker 1: of the hour. It's Smart Man Show one oh five 197 00:08:57,880 --> 00:09:02,680 Speaker 1: to nine by your art talking about not wanting to 198 00:09:02,679 --> 00:09:06,720 Speaker 1: waste a year. You went one in thirteen, you got Bradshaw, 199 00:09:07,520 --> 00:09:10,880 Speaker 1: you went six and ten, you got Ben. Didn't seem 200 00:09:10,960 --> 00:09:13,320 Speaker 1: like you have hought up a lot of waste, and 201 00:09:13,360 --> 00:09:17,479 Speaker 1: if you did, it was very temporary, cause you got Bradshaw, 202 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:23,080 Speaker 1: cause you got Ben. It's a hockey night in Pittsburgh, 203 00:09:23,320 --> 00:09:26,640 Speaker 1: Philadelphia is in ton Let me check my calendar. 204 00:09:27,800 --> 00:09:31,199 Speaker 2: It's been fifty years no cups. Tom. 205 00:09:31,240 --> 00:09:34,480 Speaker 1: What should the Penguins do in the shootout? We talked 206 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:38,559 Speaker 1: about that extensively with Pierre Maguire yesterday. She Loves is 207 00:09:38,600 --> 00:09:40,599 Speaker 1: one in five and there's a lot eleven goals in 208 00:09:40,679 --> 00:09:44,120 Speaker 1: sixteen attempts. Skinner's in goal tonight, but let's pray it 209 00:09:44,120 --> 00:09:45,080 Speaker 1: doesn't go to a shootout. 210 00:09:45,440 --> 00:09:48,160 Speaker 3: Am I allowed to indulge your fantasy and no offense. 211 00:09:48,160 --> 00:09:49,640 Speaker 3: It is a fantasy because they're never going to do 212 00:09:49,679 --> 00:09:52,120 Speaker 3: this of pulling she LOFs if he's the starting goaltender. 213 00:09:52,160 --> 00:09:53,840 Speaker 3: And you get to that point, I mean, Skinner's not 214 00:09:53,920 --> 00:09:55,559 Speaker 3: great at it, but he's better than she LOFs. I 215 00:09:55,559 --> 00:09:57,760 Speaker 3: feel like anybody's better than she loves at this point. 216 00:09:57,800 --> 00:09:59,800 Speaker 3: So that's what you gotta do. Do you want to 217 00:09:59,800 --> 00:10:01,439 Speaker 3: win to make the playoffs or not? Or do you 218 00:10:01,480 --> 00:10:03,360 Speaker 3: want to just you know, pay respect to tradition and 219 00:10:03,400 --> 00:10:05,000 Speaker 3: make sure that she loves feels okay. 220 00:10:04,760 --> 00:10:06,680 Speaker 2: And doesn't have an uncomfortable moment of being pulled in 221 00:10:06,720 --> 00:10:07,240 Speaker 2: a shootout. 222 00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:10,680 Speaker 1: Well, Pierre got it right yesterday. Shiloffs looks like he's 223 00:10:10,760 --> 00:10:14,319 Speaker 1: frozen on shootouts, and that tells me he's well aware 224 00:10:14,400 --> 00:10:17,040 Speaker 1: how bad he is in shootouts. I mean, how could 225 00:10:17,080 --> 00:10:19,960 Speaker 1: he not know sixteen attempts, eleven goals a lot. 226 00:10:20,640 --> 00:10:24,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, So I guess you'd have to make the switch. 227 00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:26,440 Speaker 3: But they're never gonna do that. So just cross your 228 00:10:26,440 --> 00:10:28,800 Speaker 3: fingers and hope that he gets unfrozen in shootouts, hope 229 00:10:28,800 --> 00:10:30,600 Speaker 3: that he improves. You're allowed to get better, I guess, 230 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:32,800 Speaker 3: But I don't see any reason for optimism that he's 231 00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:34,800 Speaker 3: going to just wake up in the middle of a playoff, 232 00:10:35,160 --> 00:10:38,079 Speaker 3: you know, push end of January, mid January, and just 233 00:10:38,120 --> 00:10:39,400 Speaker 3: be good at shootouts all of a sudden. 234 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:41,319 Speaker 2: That's gonna be an off season of work type of thing. 235 00:10:42,360 --> 00:10:46,600 Speaker 1: And I would sub him out for the shootout, but 236 00:10:46,720 --> 00:10:50,560 Speaker 1: I understand not doing that, even though I definitely would, 237 00:10:50,600 --> 00:10:56,640 Speaker 1: because I understand that respect in a hockey dressing room 238 00:10:56,679 --> 00:11:00,400 Speaker 1: is paramount. It's so important, and that would make Schiloff's look. 239 00:11:00,920 --> 00:11:03,480 Speaker 1: But then again, you would think the guys would support 240 00:11:03,520 --> 00:11:06,079 Speaker 1: the notion of trying to get enough points to make 241 00:11:06,120 --> 00:11:06,840 Speaker 1: the playoffs. 242 00:11:06,920 --> 00:11:09,920 Speaker 3: And how about embracing you know, your goaltending tandem as 243 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:12,079 Speaker 3: a true tandem, you know what I mean, Like, Hey, 244 00:11:12,600 --> 00:11:14,720 Speaker 3: it's not like ah, she loves isn't good enough, and 245 00:11:14,920 --> 00:11:16,760 Speaker 3: well he isn't good enough in shootouts, but it's like, ah, 246 00:11:16,800 --> 00:11:18,400 Speaker 3: we think he sucks that we're gonna throw skinner in 247 00:11:18,400 --> 00:11:20,960 Speaker 3: there and shootouts. No, you're good in other areas, she LOFs, 248 00:11:20,960 --> 00:11:22,800 Speaker 3: and you're you're helping us in this playoff push, but 249 00:11:22,840 --> 00:11:24,880 Speaker 3: we need to go with the other goaltender just to 250 00:11:24,920 --> 00:11:27,480 Speaker 3: get this extra point tonight. And you should understand and 251 00:11:27,480 --> 00:11:28,640 Speaker 3: the team should understand that. 252 00:11:29,080 --> 00:11:31,680 Speaker 1: Well, pulling the goalie for the shootouts only been done twice, 253 00:11:31,760 --> 00:11:37,040 Speaker 1: so it's certainly a common thread in the entire league, 254 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:40,000 Speaker 1: probably all of hockey everywhere, that you don't embarrass the 255 00:11:40,080 --> 00:11:43,760 Speaker 1: goalie of record by pulling him for the shootout. And 256 00:11:43,760 --> 00:11:45,600 Speaker 1: that stuff about not wanting to bring the other guy 257 00:11:45,600 --> 00:11:49,760 Speaker 1: in cold and risking injury, that's just a bunch of camouflage. 258 00:11:52,160 --> 00:11:55,000 Speaker 1: The Penguins have lost three straight tom despite very good 259 00:11:55,000 --> 00:11:58,120 Speaker 1: goaltending in all three games and in two games by Shilloffs, 260 00:11:58,720 --> 00:12:01,839 Speaker 1: but a week goal versus Tampa allowed by Sholloffs when 261 00:12:01,840 --> 00:12:04,360 Speaker 1: he dropped that rebound. Nonetheless, I think the goaltending has 262 00:12:04,400 --> 00:12:07,640 Speaker 1: been good, and not least Skinner, who's starting tonight. 263 00:12:08,200 --> 00:12:10,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know it was a week goal by she lost, 264 00:12:10,280 --> 00:12:12,440 Speaker 3: but other than the shootout was I thought he played 265 00:12:12,480 --> 00:12:15,240 Speaker 3: really well against Tampa Bay. Give up one goal in 266 00:12:15,320 --> 00:12:17,760 Speaker 3: regulation to a team that was on a ten game 267 00:12:17,800 --> 00:12:19,880 Speaker 3: winning streak heading into that game and is a lot 268 00:12:19,920 --> 00:12:21,239 Speaker 3: of offensive firepower. 269 00:12:21,360 --> 00:12:22,360 Speaker 2: That's a job well done. 270 00:12:22,400 --> 00:12:25,080 Speaker 3: It's really disappointing how much the offense has dried up 271 00:12:25,120 --> 00:12:27,559 Speaker 3: after their six game winning streak. In those six games, Mark, 272 00:12:27,600 --> 00:12:29,400 Speaker 3: they scored at least four goals in every single one 273 00:12:29,440 --> 00:12:31,400 Speaker 3: of those wins, and they've only scored two total in 274 00:12:31,440 --> 00:12:32,280 Speaker 3: the previous three. 275 00:12:32,600 --> 00:12:35,440 Speaker 2: I'm no one to tell Sid how to play. 276 00:12:35,559 --> 00:12:37,960 Speaker 1: He's no a top four player of all time, number 277 00:12:37,960 --> 00:12:40,079 Speaker 1: four in my book, But right now I don't think 278 00:12:40,080 --> 00:12:43,440 Speaker 1: he's shooting enough. Like against Tampa he passed up a 279 00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:46,480 Speaker 1: good chance to feed Ryan Shay. I mean, come on, 280 00:12:46,720 --> 00:12:49,839 Speaker 1: when Mario had an odd man break, he knew who 281 00:12:49,920 --> 00:12:52,360 Speaker 1: was with him on that break. Mario would have never 282 00:12:52,400 --> 00:12:54,240 Speaker 1: given the puck to Ryan Shay there. He would have, 283 00:12:54,520 --> 00:12:57,000 Speaker 1: you know, created his own shot. Like back in the day, 284 00:12:57,040 --> 00:13:00,520 Speaker 1: Mark Reki might get the puck, Gordy Rob would not. 285 00:13:00,880 --> 00:13:03,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, and Mark you pointed out way earlier in the 286 00:13:03,360 --> 00:13:06,080 Speaker 3: season because you're always right about everything. Right, when Sidney 287 00:13:06,080 --> 00:13:08,640 Speaker 3: Crosby was off to such a torrid pace to start 288 00:13:08,679 --> 00:13:11,559 Speaker 3: the year scoring goals, You're like, someone needs to score 289 00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:13,480 Speaker 3: goals on this team. So it's gonna have to be 290 00:13:13,520 --> 00:13:16,679 Speaker 3: eighty seven. He's gonna have toy forts. Yeah, he's got 291 00:13:16,679 --> 00:13:19,000 Speaker 3: twenty four right now. That's a lot for him right 292 00:13:19,040 --> 00:13:21,200 Speaker 3: now at this age. But you need more than that, Like, 293 00:13:21,240 --> 00:13:22,880 Speaker 3: he needs to be the one that's like, I'm going 294 00:13:22,960 --> 00:13:24,760 Speaker 3: to lead this team in goals by a wide margin 295 00:13:24,800 --> 00:13:26,920 Speaker 3: because the team needs that right now. That's the most 296 00:13:26,920 --> 00:13:28,600 Speaker 3: important thing he can do, I think for this team 297 00:13:28,640 --> 00:13:29,000 Speaker 3: this year. 298 00:13:29,760 --> 00:13:32,920 Speaker 1: Philly's in town tonight. Rick Talkin of course coaching the 299 00:13:32,960 --> 00:13:35,280 Speaker 1: former Penguin, but he's more of a flyer. That's where 300 00:13:35,280 --> 00:13:37,360 Speaker 1: he made his bones. He won all his rings with 301 00:13:37,400 --> 00:13:40,199 Speaker 1: the Penguins, but he made his bones in Philadelphia. 302 00:13:40,280 --> 00:13:41,760 Speaker 2: You know who my favorite flyer. 303 00:13:41,480 --> 00:13:45,320 Speaker 1: Is Thomas Trevor Zegris because he's a chicken scratch cheap 304 00:13:45,360 --> 00:13:48,679 Speaker 1: shot artist, okay, and he's become a panamime villain who 305 00:13:48,720 --> 00:13:51,640 Speaker 1: has restored some intensity to the rivalry between the teams. 306 00:13:51,679 --> 00:13:52,880 Speaker 3: You had me in the first half there for a 307 00:13:52,880 --> 00:13:54,520 Speaker 3: little bit because that's exactly where I was going. I 308 00:13:54,559 --> 00:13:56,800 Speaker 3: was like, ah, Zegris, but that's what you want in 309 00:13:56,840 --> 00:13:59,960 Speaker 3: this rivalry, is that eh kind of animosity towards the 310 00:14:00,160 --> 00:14:02,200 Speaker 3: and it definitely needs that. And it's also good that 311 00:14:02,200 --> 00:14:04,360 Speaker 3: they're tied in the standings right now, right on the 312 00:14:04,400 --> 00:14:06,520 Speaker 3: outside looking in with games in hand on the teams 313 00:14:06,520 --> 00:14:07,079 Speaker 3: that are in. 314 00:14:07,480 --> 00:14:09,680 Speaker 2: Just such a massive game tonight between the two teams. 315 00:14:09,760 --> 00:14:10,920 Speaker 2: I will give Ziegra's credit. 316 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:13,240 Speaker 1: I thought he was a show biz nimrod with the 317 00:14:13,240 --> 00:14:15,880 Speaker 1: Michigan and not much else Oude of Anaheim, but he's 318 00:14:15,920 --> 00:14:18,960 Speaker 1: become a real good all around well maybe not all well, 319 00:14:19,080 --> 00:14:21,000 Speaker 1: I mean he's the Flowers meeting. 320 00:14:20,760 --> 00:14:23,080 Speaker 2: Score eighteen goals twenty four says yeah, yeah. 321 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:26,640 Speaker 1: He's getting a lot done more than Meetchkoff. Talk got 322 00:14:26,880 --> 00:14:29,760 Speaker 1: Zegre straightened out. Meetchkoff might be beyond straightening out. What 323 00:14:29,840 --> 00:14:35,120 Speaker 1: an awesome talent that really just isn't doing what he should. 324 00:14:35,520 --> 00:14:40,880 Speaker 1: Flowers played last night. That's like five times recently where 325 00:14:40,880 --> 00:14:42,480 Speaker 1: the Penguins will be playing a team that played the 326 00:14:42,600 --> 00:14:46,080 Speaker 1: night before. When the Penguins, didn't. They come to Pittsburgh 327 00:14:46,080 --> 00:14:49,000 Speaker 1: after losing four to at Buffalo last night, and that's 328 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:51,480 Speaker 1: four losses in a row. So you'd think things are 329 00:14:51,520 --> 00:14:53,480 Speaker 1: set up fairly well for the Penguins this evening. 330 00:14:53,840 --> 00:14:55,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, no question about it. And I'll tell you one 331 00:14:55,320 --> 00:14:57,880 Speaker 3: thing I'm really worried about real quick. If they lose, 332 00:14:57,880 --> 00:15:00,440 Speaker 3: it's a four game losing streak. That's a little streak, right, 333 00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:02,680 Speaker 3: A game losing streak, six game winning street, four game 334 00:15:02,720 --> 00:15:05,000 Speaker 3: losing streak. Like, you gotta find some consistency there. 335 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:07,480 Speaker 2: You do not make the playoffs that way. 336 00:15:08,080 --> 00:15:10,920 Speaker 1: Up next, Mike to Fable talking about his great story 337 00:15:10,920 --> 00:15:12,920 Speaker 1: at the Athletic one oh five nine. 338 00:15:13,040 --> 00:15:15,600 Speaker 2: It's the Hooty Show weekday mornings at six. 339 00:15:15,720 --> 00:15:18,000 Speaker 3: Listen to the AX at home, at work, anytime on 340 00:15:18,040 --> 00:15:21,320 Speaker 3: the iHeart Radio app one the X. 341 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:24,840 Speaker 5: Rob King here. Staying connected to your Steelers has never 342 00:15:24,880 --> 00:15:27,720 Speaker 5: been easier. 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How many players do you talk to, 353 00:16:03,320 --> 00:16:06,840 Speaker 1: because that was a complete reconstruction of the meeting. 354 00:16:08,360 --> 00:16:10,240 Speaker 4: Yeah. I talked to about a half dozen people who 355 00:16:10,280 --> 00:16:13,360 Speaker 4: are inside that room, and really the way that they 356 00:16:13,400 --> 00:16:16,960 Speaker 4: described it was they came into the meeting room and players, 357 00:16:16,960 --> 00:16:18,760 Speaker 4: some of them had an inklean. I mean, there was 358 00:16:18,760 --> 00:16:21,920 Speaker 4: a rumblings, but for the most part, they described themselves 359 00:16:22,160 --> 00:16:26,360 Speaker 4: as completely shocked. And basically Mike tom Win typically stands 360 00:16:26,440 --> 00:16:29,920 Speaker 4: up there at the end of every season, and you know, 361 00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:33,120 Speaker 4: he says he often says a phrase along the lines of, 362 00:16:33,760 --> 00:16:35,840 Speaker 4: you know, when when you don't get the job done, 363 00:16:35,880 --> 00:16:39,000 Speaker 4: there's consequences in this business. And some of us are 364 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:41,120 Speaker 4: going to be here next year and some of us aren't. 365 00:16:41,400 --> 00:16:45,040 Speaker 4: And not every year, but most times some guys were saying, 366 00:16:45,360 --> 00:16:47,560 Speaker 4: He'll say, but it's back to the drawing board. And 367 00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:49,880 Speaker 4: instead of saying, but it's back to the drawing board, 368 00:16:50,200 --> 00:16:53,480 Speaker 4: that's when he said to them, listen, I want you 369 00:16:53,520 --> 00:16:56,320 Speaker 4: guys to hear this from you first. And at about 370 00:16:56,360 --> 00:17:01,400 Speaker 4: one fifteen he had walked into Omar to on Art 371 00:17:01,480 --> 00:17:05,359 Speaker 4: Rooney's office and had informed him of his decision, and 372 00:17:05,400 --> 00:17:07,159 Speaker 4: then he told the team. And it was important to 373 00:17:07,160 --> 00:17:09,720 Speaker 4: Mike Tomlin to tell the team first and for the 374 00:17:09,760 --> 00:17:12,080 Speaker 4: players to hear it directly from him. And one of 375 00:17:12,119 --> 00:17:14,639 Speaker 4: the biggest reactions was from TJ. 376 00:17:14,800 --> 00:17:15,080 Speaker 2: Watt. 377 00:17:15,359 --> 00:17:19,719 Speaker 4: He was standing there and he just kept saying no, no, no, So, 378 00:17:20,560 --> 00:17:23,119 Speaker 4: you know, obviously on his show, Mark, I think that 379 00:17:23,160 --> 00:17:25,919 Speaker 4: we've been very fair in our criticism of Mike Tomlin. 380 00:17:26,600 --> 00:17:28,760 Speaker 4: But one thing that I think you got to say 381 00:17:28,880 --> 00:17:31,560 Speaker 4: is from his first day until probably his last, he 382 00:17:31,680 --> 00:17:34,400 Speaker 4: had the locker room and he had the players believing 383 00:17:34,440 --> 00:17:34,800 Speaker 4: in him. 384 00:17:35,320 --> 00:17:38,000 Speaker 1: No No, I said that the players respect and affection 385 00:17:38,119 --> 00:17:40,720 Speaker 1: for Tomlin as legit Mike, and your story got that across. 386 00:17:41,119 --> 00:17:43,679 Speaker 1: I also suspect that they feel he's a victim in this, 387 00:17:43,760 --> 00:17:45,119 Speaker 1: which is absurd. 388 00:17:46,960 --> 00:17:50,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that, guys. Honestly, one of the quotes 389 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:53,760 Speaker 4: that was within the story they said were guys angry 390 00:17:53,840 --> 00:17:57,320 Speaker 4: at the coordinators, yes, where they upset at the head man. No. 391 00:17:57,680 --> 00:18:01,400 Speaker 4: So they were not happy with the core at all. 392 00:18:01,600 --> 00:18:05,199 Speaker 4: I mean, and you look at even on the record 393 00:18:05,240 --> 00:18:08,560 Speaker 4: comments earlier this year, Patrick Queen after a game said, 394 00:18:08,600 --> 00:18:11,400 Speaker 4: I think we have schematic issues. There were a lot 395 00:18:11,400 --> 00:18:15,960 Speaker 4: of guys on defense that I think believed that that 396 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:18,639 Speaker 4: they were talented, that they had talented players, and it 397 00:18:18,720 --> 00:18:22,320 Speaker 4: was the scheme and it was the coaching on defensive side, 398 00:18:22,600 --> 00:18:24,520 Speaker 4: and a little bit on the offense as well. They 399 00:18:24,560 --> 00:18:26,439 Speaker 4: had let them down. Now, wasn't that's true or not. 400 00:18:26,480 --> 00:18:27,240 Speaker 4: I'm just telling you what the. 401 00:18:27,280 --> 00:18:31,240 Speaker 1: Hap But Tomlin was the shadow defensive coordinator. Austin was 402 00:18:31,240 --> 00:18:33,359 Speaker 1: his errand guy, I mean they got to know that, 403 00:18:33,440 --> 00:18:35,560 Speaker 1: don't they well. 404 00:18:35,600 --> 00:18:39,600 Speaker 4: And beyond that, Mike Tomlin did pick the coordinators, and ultimately, 405 00:18:39,600 --> 00:18:41,639 Speaker 4: when you're the head man, you're in charge of everything 406 00:18:41,680 --> 00:18:44,520 Speaker 4: that goes on beneath you. And I would say that 407 00:18:44,680 --> 00:18:47,720 Speaker 4: a failure to identify coordinators is right up there among 408 00:18:47,760 --> 00:18:49,679 Speaker 4: the list of things that Mike Tomlin didn't do well 409 00:18:49,720 --> 00:18:51,840 Speaker 4: and the reason why he's out the door now. 410 00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:55,640 Speaker 1: A lot of the players seemed to say that they 411 00:18:55,840 --> 00:18:58,720 Speaker 1: only want to play for Mike Tomlin, or rather came 412 00:18:58,760 --> 00:19:02,040 Speaker 1: here specifically to play from tom Watch said he only 413 00:19:02,080 --> 00:19:04,600 Speaker 1: wants to play for Mike Tomlin. How will that affect 414 00:19:04,600 --> 00:19:08,680 Speaker 1: who returns and who doesn't. 415 00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:11,680 Speaker 4: That's to Art Rooney kind of not that exact question, 416 00:19:11,720 --> 00:19:13,119 Speaker 4: but we asked him what was going to happen with 417 00:19:13,119 --> 00:19:15,840 Speaker 4: this roster and you look at it as we talked 418 00:19:15,840 --> 00:19:17,479 Speaker 4: about a couple of days ago, Mark, this is this 419 00:19:17,560 --> 00:19:19,879 Speaker 4: is a roster that's primed for a reset. In my opinion, 420 00:19:19,880 --> 00:19:22,880 Speaker 4: you've got a lot of these aging veterans. It's specifically 421 00:19:22,880 --> 00:19:26,440 Speaker 4: a guy like TJ. Watt where if there is a 422 00:19:26,520 --> 00:19:28,600 Speaker 4: time to trade him, it makes sense. So I think 423 00:19:28,680 --> 00:19:31,639 Speaker 4: truly it's going to come down to what's the vision 424 00:19:31,760 --> 00:19:34,720 Speaker 4: that this next coordinator has. And so I mean they're 425 00:19:34,760 --> 00:19:37,400 Speaker 4: interviewing a lot of different guys. You look at one guy, 426 00:19:37,480 --> 00:19:40,239 Speaker 4: Chris Shula from from the Rams. Right now, he has 427 00:19:40,280 --> 00:19:43,920 Speaker 4: the NFL's lowest paid defense and they're a top ten unit. Now, 428 00:19:44,040 --> 00:19:47,000 Speaker 4: if he steps into the NFL's highest paid defense and 429 00:19:47,040 --> 00:19:50,080 Speaker 4: decides he loves TJ. Watt, you know TJ's not going 430 00:19:50,160 --> 00:19:54,119 Speaker 4: to go anywhere. Also, like you know, TJ's surely is 431 00:19:54,119 --> 00:19:56,960 Speaker 4: going to have to sign off on it. So we 432 00:19:57,000 --> 00:20:00,240 Speaker 4: will have to see. But the bottom line is, wait, did. 433 00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:02,240 Speaker 2: Did you say, TJ. Watt's going to sign off on 434 00:20:02,280 --> 00:20:03,800 Speaker 2: who the coaches or Diamoss here? 435 00:20:04,800 --> 00:20:06,400 Speaker 4: No no, no, that's not what I said. 436 00:20:06,600 --> 00:20:08,880 Speaker 2: No no, why don't we know what that's more interesting? 437 00:20:09,960 --> 00:20:13,320 Speaker 4: No no, no, no. 438 00:20:12,119 --> 00:20:15,960 Speaker 1: No no, but but yeah, I mean, like my thing 439 00:20:16,119 --> 00:20:19,960 Speaker 1: is with the players respect and affection for Tomlin. If 440 00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:21,960 Speaker 1: you don't want Tomlin booed, which some of them appear 441 00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:24,120 Speaker 1: to make an issue of, then don't get your ass 442 00:20:24,200 --> 00:20:27,120 Speaker 1: kicked by Houston and every coach gets booed everywhere. 443 00:20:27,160 --> 00:20:29,800 Speaker 2: It's like they seem to think this was unique and outrageous. 444 00:20:31,560 --> 00:20:34,679 Speaker 4: Well, they just felt responsible for it. Like, truthfully, guys, 445 00:20:34,760 --> 00:20:36,520 Speaker 4: a couple of years ago, I remember doing a story 446 00:20:36,600 --> 00:20:39,000 Speaker 4: when Tomlin was at risk of this stupid non losing 447 00:20:39,040 --> 00:20:42,360 Speaker 4: season streak ending, and guys were saying, like, we really 448 00:20:42,359 --> 00:20:44,320 Speaker 4: don't want to be the group that does that, Like 449 00:20:44,359 --> 00:20:46,320 Speaker 4: we can't be known as a group that had the 450 00:20:46,320 --> 00:20:49,000 Speaker 4: first losing season. This is so much worse than that. 451 00:20:49,119 --> 00:20:52,760 Speaker 4: You know, these guys were like they felt responsible for it, 452 00:20:52,800 --> 00:20:54,720 Speaker 4: and they felt like it was They did feel like 453 00:20:54,800 --> 00:20:58,040 Speaker 4: it was their faulted. The players didn't play to their 454 00:20:58,080 --> 00:21:00,000 Speaker 4: potential and because of that, their coach lostage. 455 00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:04,120 Speaker 1: I suspect the Steelers are in for a lengthy bad spell. Mike, 456 00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:07,120 Speaker 1: do you agree? And am I too cynical to say 457 00:21:07,119 --> 00:21:10,600 Speaker 1: that Tomlin knew that and might have wanted to dodge that, 458 00:21:10,760 --> 00:21:13,680 Speaker 1: because now his streak, as you called it, the stupid streak, 459 00:21:13,680 --> 00:21:17,440 Speaker 1: and I agree, of no losing seasons, is intact potentially 460 00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:18,240 Speaker 1: in perpetuity. 461 00:21:19,680 --> 00:21:22,080 Speaker 4: Yeah, I agree, because let's just start with when Mike 462 00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:24,800 Speaker 4: Tomlin inherited the roster, and it was a super Bowl 463 00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:30,240 Speaker 4: caliber roster with a young, star franchise quarterback in an outstanding, 464 00:21:30,359 --> 00:21:34,920 Speaker 4: dominant but aging defense. The defense aged out and then 465 00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:39,720 Speaker 4: like they an offensive line aged out, but the defense first, 466 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:43,080 Speaker 4: and they've tried to rebuild that defense, and starting with 467 00:21:43,359 --> 00:21:46,760 Speaker 4: Cam Hayward and ending with the Micka Fitzpatrick's trade nine 468 00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:50,040 Speaker 4: first round picks on defense over ten years, they finally 469 00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:53,040 Speaker 4: got the defense back to a respectable level, just in 470 00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:55,320 Speaker 4: time to give Ben Roethlisberger a chance to make one 471 00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:58,720 Speaker 4: last run. And then Ben Roethlisberger ends up getting old 472 00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:01,639 Speaker 4: and they have to come up with something else. And 473 00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:04,760 Speaker 4: now that defense that was built to get Roethlisberger one 474 00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:07,520 Speaker 4: last chance to make a run, they're old themselves, and 475 00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:09,960 Speaker 4: they risk aging out without accomplishing anything. And that's what 476 00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:13,920 Speaker 4: you haven't solved the biggest and most important question quarterback 477 00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:15,960 Speaker 4: on the other side of the ball. So they've kind 478 00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:19,480 Speaker 4: of taken this lopsided approach to roster building where things 479 00:22:19,520 --> 00:22:22,439 Speaker 4: have been ce sawn from a really great team that 480 00:22:22,520 --> 00:22:25,800 Speaker 4: was Super Bowl caliber to one that was just offensive 481 00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:27,760 Speaker 4: minded and all they had was Le'Veon Bell and the 482 00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:29,680 Speaker 4: Killer Bees and they had to score a million points. 483 00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:31,760 Speaker 4: Then they built the defense up and they counted and 484 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:35,240 Speaker 4: only won games when TJ. Watt had stripsacked fumble recoveries 485 00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:37,560 Speaker 4: and they were able to wreck the game that way. 486 00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:40,000 Speaker 4: Now that now it's like, for the first time that 487 00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:43,679 Speaker 4: I can remember in two decades, it seems like there 488 00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:45,240 Speaker 4: are a lot of questions on both sides of the 489 00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:47,760 Speaker 4: ball because that defense is getting old and the offense 490 00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:48,760 Speaker 4: has not done sixth yet. 491 00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:51,600 Speaker 1: We're talking to Mike de Fabo, great story about Tomlin 492 00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:56,239 Speaker 1: leaving at the Athletic running currently now. We heard our 493 00:22:56,359 --> 00:22:59,480 Speaker 1: talk yesterday and he said the intent is to not 494 00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:02,240 Speaker 1: waste thee How can they not see the value in 495 00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:04,320 Speaker 1: wasting a year when they went one and thirteen and 496 00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:08,400 Speaker 1: drafted Bradshaw went six and ten and drafted Roethlisberger. I 497 00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:10,840 Speaker 1: know that maybe he just said that, but I suspect 498 00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:11,439 Speaker 1: he means it. 499 00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:16,399 Speaker 4: Yeah, and that's what I think. Maybe a fresh voice 500 00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:20,600 Speaker 4: coming in maybe can sell them on the idea of, look, 501 00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:23,920 Speaker 4: you don't you don't have to quit on every year. 502 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:25,760 Speaker 4: You don't have to tank and try to get the 503 00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:29,000 Speaker 4: first overall pick and strape this thing down to the 504 00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:31,399 Speaker 4: bare bones. But you at least have to look at 505 00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:34,760 Speaker 4: it and say, let's trade. Let's cut Jalen Ramsey. You know, 506 00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:36,600 Speaker 4: let's cut Johnny Smith, right right? 507 00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:39,320 Speaker 2: If you don't have to try to scrape together. 508 00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:42,720 Speaker 4: Nine and eight, yeah, you what you need to do 509 00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:47,119 Speaker 4: is say we're getting younger, We're we are going to 510 00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:50,280 Speaker 4: play Roman Wilson this year, or we're gonna just bury 511 00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:53,480 Speaker 4: Roman Wilson, like this year. Here's what I would have 512 00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:55,679 Speaker 4: done differently, Like here's an example of it. Roman Wilson 513 00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:58,000 Speaker 4: is a perfect example. Is he that bad? Is he 514 00:23:58,119 --> 00:24:01,160 Speaker 4: actually that bad? I don't think he's that bad, Okay, 515 00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:04,639 Speaker 4: I think he is somewhat playable, and he got nothing, 516 00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:08,320 Speaker 4: And how the heck is a player going to develop 517 00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:14,600 Speaker 4: on the sideline? So players just like that in that mold, 518 00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:17,679 Speaker 4: I think and and the other part of it is 519 00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:20,919 Speaker 4: this new coach is going to have the opportunity to 520 00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:25,320 Speaker 4: bring in his own staff. A lot of these got 521 00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:28,000 Speaker 4: I'm sure about Well, here's what I know, Mark, is 522 00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:32,080 Speaker 4: that a lot of the coaches on Mike Tomlins staff 523 00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:35,199 Speaker 4: feel like they got a raw deal because you know 524 00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:38,240 Speaker 4: how the Steelers do business, where they give you a contract, 525 00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:41,000 Speaker 4: They're never ever going to fire you under that contract, 526 00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:45,200 Speaker 4: but they also aren't going to likely extend you unless 527 00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:47,960 Speaker 4: you're doing really well well. A lot of these assistants 528 00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:51,040 Speaker 4: and court you know, Arthur Smith had one more year, 529 00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:53,280 Speaker 4: but Karl Lauston was on the last year of his deal. 530 00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:54,960 Speaker 4: Pat Meyer was on the last year of his deal. 531 00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:58,080 Speaker 4: Practically everybody was on the last year of their deal. 532 00:24:58,359 --> 00:24:59,720 Speaker 4: And so a lot of these guys are going to 533 00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:03,520 Speaker 4: be un employed in a week. And so there are 534 00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:05,920 Speaker 4: some who who say, man, like I wish I got 535 00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:08,520 Speaker 4: a heads up from Tomlin, or I wish that I 536 00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:10,440 Speaker 4: knew that this was coming, because I feel like right 537 00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:14,080 Speaker 4: now I'm scrambling for a job because I just lost mine. 538 00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:16,719 Speaker 1: It seems very evident that the next tire is going 539 00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:19,960 Speaker 1: to be a defensive coordinator, doesn't it by my con 540 00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:22,399 Speaker 1: six of those they intend to interview, six of the 541 00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:24,399 Speaker 1: seven are defensive coordinators. 542 00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:28,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, at least for now, I'm sure that that list 543 00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:31,119 Speaker 4: isn't going to grow, but it is certainly significant to 544 00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:35,680 Speaker 4: me that Nathan Schielhas is the only offensive minded guy 545 00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:42,000 Speaker 4: that's currently known on that list. So I don't necessarily 546 00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:45,560 Speaker 4: hate if you're able to get the right guy, but 547 00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:47,800 Speaker 4: I've already stated my preference would be to go on 548 00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:50,200 Speaker 4: the offensive side. I feel like you want to buy 549 00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:52,919 Speaker 4: the brain, you want to buy the playbook, and it 550 00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:56,399 Speaker 4: just seems like that would be the prudent route. I mean, 551 00:25:56,480 --> 00:26:00,320 Speaker 4: a guy like Shilhas, for example, he played quarterback, also 552 00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:04,080 Speaker 4: coached every single position group on offense. Now he works 553 00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:06,720 Speaker 4: with Sean McVay, who practically everything he touches seems to 554 00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:09,280 Speaker 4: turn to gold, at least in the eyes of people 555 00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:12,399 Speaker 4: making coaching hires. I think he's a very attractive candidate, 556 00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:15,520 Speaker 4: but I don't I don't hate the you know, the 557 00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:19,159 Speaker 4: other RAMS coordinated that they're going to interview shul Up, 558 00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:23,040 Speaker 4: so I think, well, we'll have to see also if 559 00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:25,359 Speaker 4: like a guy like Clint Kubiak may or may not 560 00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:27,359 Speaker 4: be added. I don't know. Anything on that. I'm not 561 00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:31,399 Speaker 4: reporting that I'm speculating, but I wonder if more names 562 00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:33,720 Speaker 4: could come out that their offensive minded once some teams 563 00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:34,639 Speaker 4: losing the playoffs. 564 00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:38,000 Speaker 2: The only thing about Shieldhouse is he's only thirty. 565 00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:42,119 Speaker 1: And even if he's wholly qualified, which I think he 566 00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:44,879 Speaker 1: may well be, especially for what I'd prefer in the 567 00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:48,280 Speaker 1: next head coach, Mike, I think that dressing room could 568 00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:51,560 Speaker 1: potentially eat him alive, and I think jealous assistant coaches 569 00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:54,719 Speaker 1: might hit him alive. Like I said, at age thirty, 570 00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:57,440 Speaker 1: the Steelers go young, but that's extremely young. 571 00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:01,600 Speaker 4: Yeah, older than that. He's thirty five, but he is 572 00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:06,520 Speaker 4: younger than me. The last time, where did I get thirty? I? 573 00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:09,000 Speaker 2: Oh, Davis webs started. That's what I'm thinking of my mistake. 574 00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:11,560 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, but still thirty five. None the left is 575 00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:15,120 Speaker 4: a pretty young guy. And I was just thinking about 576 00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:18,440 Speaker 4: this the other night. I mean, Mike Tomlin got hired 577 00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:21,000 Speaker 4: when I was I think seventeen years old, and I 578 00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:22,520 Speaker 4: was trying to figure out what the heck I was 579 00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:24,560 Speaker 4: going to do with my life and if I was 580 00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:26,959 Speaker 4: going to go into what profession. I didn't even know 581 00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:31,480 Speaker 4: what sports journalism was all about. And now you know 582 00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:36,120 Speaker 4: Nathan Schielhoffs. He is younger than me. He graduated from 583 00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:39,119 Speaker 4: college the same year as me, And so it just 584 00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:43,640 Speaker 4: really shows, like the dramatic difference the Steelers are going 585 00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:47,000 Speaker 4: from the longest tenured coach to potentially one of the youngest. 586 00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:49,760 Speaker 1: Well, I was forty seven when they hired Tomlin, and 587 00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:52,680 Speaker 1: I already wanted out of this this gig. Then Mike 588 00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:58,880 Speaker 1: been here, I am uh I would hire Stefanski. He's 589 00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:02,200 Speaker 1: forty three, he's young. He's an offensive mind who had 590 00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:05,640 Speaker 1: a great defense in Cleveland too. He worked with bad 591 00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:08,680 Speaker 1: quarterbacks and beat the Steelers an awful lot. He's two 592 00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:11,440 Speaker 1: time NFL Coach the Year. But that doesn't even seem 593 00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:14,359 Speaker 1: to be on their radar. Why do they just not 594 00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:17,040 Speaker 1: want a guy with any head coaching experience? 595 00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:22,080 Speaker 4: You know, that's that's a good question. I guess there's 596 00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:28,400 Speaker 4: the fine line between a retread and like somebody with experience, right, 597 00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:31,159 Speaker 4: Like it's kind of a double edged conversation there. I 598 00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:33,200 Speaker 4: agree with you with Stefanska. I think that he would 599 00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:36,159 Speaker 4: be a good coach. Like to me, he's kind of 600 00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:39,960 Speaker 4: in the category of like, no one can succeed with 601 00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:42,000 Speaker 4: the Jets. It seems like there are people that I 602 00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:46,360 Speaker 4: know who've been offered I've heard of people being offered 603 00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:49,480 Speaker 4: good jobs with the Jets that are like, I'm not 604 00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:53,479 Speaker 4: doing it because like I'm going to get I'm going 605 00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:56,120 Speaker 4: to lose my job. I'm not going to succeed there. 606 00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:58,200 Speaker 4: And so the fact that Stefanski was able to have 607 00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:02,080 Speaker 4: success in a market, it seems like, you know, you 608 00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:05,320 Speaker 4: can't win there. And let's just point out the obvious. 609 00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:07,800 Speaker 4: He won a playoff game more recently than Palmlin and 610 00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:10,840 Speaker 4: he got fired too, so you know he's also a 611 00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:11,520 Speaker 4: capable guy. 612 00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:14,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I would at least consider I mean 613 00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:16,560 Speaker 1: I would at least interview for sure, but to not 614 00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:17,280 Speaker 1: seems like. 615 00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:19,680 Speaker 4: And that Mark Mark. I just got a text message 616 00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:26,400 Speaker 4: that they are going to be interviewing Klay Kubiak. Who So, 617 00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:32,880 Speaker 4: Klay Kubiak is with the he's the forty nine Ers 618 00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:34,360 Speaker 4: offensive coordinators. 619 00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:37,400 Speaker 2: It's Klay Kubiak. 620 00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:41,480 Speaker 4: But there's also a Kubiak. They got Kubiaks all over 621 00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:41,760 Speaker 4: the world. 622 00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:43,840 Speaker 1: Just interview a bunch of teams, bring all the Kubiaks 623 00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:44,520 Speaker 1: in at the same time. 624 00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:45,680 Speaker 2: We'll let him flight out for it. 625 00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:50,880 Speaker 4: Maybe you can get both of them. But Tomlin's due. 626 00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:54,320 Speaker 4: The Steelers do seem to like, you know, family members 627 00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:56,600 Speaker 4: and bloodlines, right, maybe you could just get a package 628 00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:57,840 Speaker 4: deal family reunion here. 629 00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:02,520 Speaker 1: When I heard our talk, my my takeaway was that 630 00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:05,440 Speaker 1: there's not going to be an organizational reset, that they're 631 00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:08,000 Speaker 1: gonna stress the same things and look for the coach 632 00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:09,160 Speaker 1: using the same method. 633 00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:11,520 Speaker 2: And I don't agree with that. 634 00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:14,600 Speaker 1: It's their team, and I understand the notion of tried 635 00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:17,760 Speaker 1: and true, but maybe these Ruonies ain't those Rooneyes. 636 00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:23,520 Speaker 4: Yeah, And that's what I think in terms of getting younger, Like, 637 00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:27,560 Speaker 4: I think that you don't have to sell it to 638 00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:29,560 Speaker 4: people as a reset, you don't have to brand it 639 00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:31,719 Speaker 4: as a reset, but you can do the same thing 640 00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:33,560 Speaker 4: the Penguins did a couple of years ago where they're like, 641 00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:36,440 Speaker 4: we're gonna get younger, faster, harder to play against. That 642 00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:39,560 Speaker 4: was the model when they brought in guys before Pexau 643 00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:45,200 Speaker 4: and Burke went older, slower and stupider. But that's what 644 00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:47,000 Speaker 4: I think you got to do if you're the Steelers, like, 645 00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:49,720 Speaker 4: you've got to get younger. You've got to start preparing 646 00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:52,920 Speaker 4: this next roster for the future quarterback or surrounding him 647 00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:55,920 Speaker 4: with weapons. If not, you risk a Joe Burrow situation 648 00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:58,280 Speaker 4: where even if you get your quarterback and you hit 649 00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:01,200 Speaker 4: the lottery and you have the winning scratch off ticket, 650 00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:04,880 Speaker 4: if he doesn't have the right supporting cats around him, 651 00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:08,200 Speaker 4: you're gonna end up wasting years of a quarterback. And 652 00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:10,720 Speaker 4: so there is a formula in the NFL that a 653 00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:13,240 Speaker 4: couple of teams have used where you build a roster up, 654 00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:16,240 Speaker 4: you get the quarterback and he's like the missing piece, 655 00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:18,440 Speaker 4: and because he's on a rookie contract, you're able to 656 00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:21,720 Speaker 4: pay everybody else. I think that that's what the Steelers 657 00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:23,440 Speaker 4: need to do. But they need to get younger and 658 00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:27,120 Speaker 4: get more draft capital and roll over this roster in 659 00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:27,840 Speaker 4: order to do so. 660 00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:30,480 Speaker 1: No question, the quarterback has to be the main piece 661 00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:33,000 Speaker 1: that's never gonna change. But if you build everything up 662 00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:35,760 Speaker 1: to be ready when he gets there, then it don't 663 00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:38,720 Speaker 1: take too long to win. My great work with the Athletic. 664 00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:41,080 Speaker 1: Fantastic story and thank you for coming on today. 665 00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:43,720 Speaker 4: Yeah absolutely, Mark, thank you for having me. 666 00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:45,960 Speaker 1: That's Mike de Fabo. You got to check out his 667 00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:50,400 Speaker 1: piece at the Athletic. It just it reconstructs that locker 668 00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:54,680 Speaker 1: room when Tom win quit. Just an amazing story. We 669 00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:57,920 Speaker 1: got Jerry Dulak at the top of the hour up 670 00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:00,400 Speaker 1: next to Trifecta this hour of the show to us 671 00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:04,280 Speaker 1: by our good friends at Shandorovich, Shndorovich and Fishman one 672 00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:05,240 Speaker 1: O five ninety X. 673 00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:10,520 Speaker 4: Listen to the X everywhere you go, everywhere tell your 674 00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:13,600 Speaker 4: smart device. Let's play one oh five point ninety X 675 00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:14,520 Speaker 4: on iHeartRadio. 676 00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:25,440 Speaker 2: It's the Mark Man who one X. The Febos story 677 00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:26,960 Speaker 2: was great. It's great that he came on. 678 00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:35,160 Speaker 1: What crying Rogers, crying, Porter hyperventilating. If I'd have been Tom, 679 00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:37,760 Speaker 1: when I'd have been like Don Corleone and The Godfather. 680 00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:39,640 Speaker 2: You connect like a man. What's the matter with you? 681 00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:45,520 Speaker 1: Uh, let's go down to the trifecta Tom, What do 682 00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:46,320 Speaker 1: we got. 683 00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:47,360 Speaker 2: For today's Trifecta? Mark? 684 00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:49,760 Speaker 3: Since we're having Michelle Terarian on the show today at 685 00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:52,160 Speaker 3: four point thirty to talk about his epic so frant, 686 00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:54,680 Speaker 3: I'm gonna go with some of the best coaching rants 687 00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:57,640 Speaker 3: ever in history. Spoiler alert. I'm gonna put Tarrian at 688 00:32:57,720 --> 00:32:59,200 Speaker 3: number one at the top of the list. I really 689 00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:00,080 Speaker 3: don't know if it gets much. 690 00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:02,680 Speaker 1: And we'll be replaying the rant and then we'll have 691 00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:07,240 Speaker 1: coach terrying on at four thirty to relive the twentieth anniversary. 692 00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:09,800 Speaker 2: It's so epic. Number three, I'm gonna go. 693 00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:11,480 Speaker 3: There's a lot of football ones I could have chosen, 694 00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:13,600 Speaker 3: but I'm gonna go with Dennis Green, the Cardinals coach 695 00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:14,520 Speaker 3: in two thousand and six. 696 00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:17,000 Speaker 2: The whole crown them. We are who they thought they were, 697 00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:18,280 Speaker 2: and we let him get away with it, and we 698 00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:19,160 Speaker 2: let him off the hook. 699 00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:22,360 Speaker 3: And he just was so effusive in how the Bears 700 00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:24,760 Speaker 3: they played the Bears, and how they ain't crap who 701 00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:26,400 Speaker 3: they improved to six and oh by beating the one 702 00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:28,440 Speaker 3: in five Cardinals that night, and then the Bears went 703 00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:30,120 Speaker 3: on to win the NFC that season and go to 704 00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:30,800 Speaker 3: the super Bowl. 705 00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:32,720 Speaker 2: But they are who they thought they were. Because he 706 00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:35,120 Speaker 2: was just raving. He was insane. He's a big, fat 707 00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:36,280 Speaker 2: guy too, which made it better. 708 00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:39,160 Speaker 3: Number two. I'm gonna go with Hal McCray nineteen ninety three, 709 00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:41,120 Speaker 3: the Royals manager. When they asked him about just some 710 00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:45,400 Speaker 3: innocuous pinch hitting question, he went nuts. He started destroying 711 00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:48,280 Speaker 3: the entire dog like his clubhouse, his office, I. 712 00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:50,040 Speaker 2: Remember that, and ripped the phone out of the wall. 713 00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:51,880 Speaker 3: And then, of course the famous line put that in 714 00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:55,080 Speaker 3: your f and pipe and smoke it and then Terry 715 00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:55,560 Speaker 3: number one. 716 00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:56,640 Speaker 2: Terry's gotta be number one. 717 00:33:56,840 --> 00:33:58,560 Speaker 1: Okay, let me tell you too that you may not 718 00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:03,160 Speaker 1: remember i'd put in there. Well one, everybody remembers what 719 00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:05,000 Speaker 1: was the coach? Who was the coach who went playoffs? 720 00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:08,840 Speaker 2: I just had that off the list as an honorable mention. Yeah, playoffs. 721 00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:10,080 Speaker 2: I just want to win a game. 722 00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:11,960 Speaker 1: Just just because of that. I mean it was short, 723 00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:15,120 Speaker 1: but just it was more of a response than a ranto. 724 00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:17,880 Speaker 1: Another one and this is before your time, And it 725 00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:21,520 Speaker 1: wasn't on TV. It was only on audio tape. Tommy Lasorda, 726 00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:25,120 Speaker 1: the Dodgers manager, who was a total ass. This right, 727 00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:28,040 Speaker 1: Dave Kingman hit five on ones in the double hitter, 728 00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:31,799 Speaker 1: and and somebody asked, what Dave Kingman my favorite player 729 00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:34,839 Speaker 1: as a kid, also an ass? Somebody said, what did 730 00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:37,440 Speaker 1: you think of Kingman's performance? What did I think of 731 00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:38,200 Speaker 1: his performance? 732 00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:38,759 Speaker 4: And then he like. 733 00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:42,800 Speaker 3: That one's great, h you because you're straight down to 734 00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:44,960 Speaker 3: Bobby Knight like a billion times right, Like he just 735 00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:46,280 Speaker 3: had unbelievable meltdowns. 736 00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:47,239 Speaker 2: He was just a jerk off. 737 00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:49,440 Speaker 1: Though the thing about Bobby Knight was he was just 738 00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:51,160 Speaker 1: an ass and you hated to laugh. 739 00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:52,120 Speaker 2: But the stuff. 740 00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:54,680 Speaker 1: Remember when I asked him about his game face and 741 00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:57,400 Speaker 1: he started making all the all the contortions with his face. 742 00:34:57,480 --> 00:34:58,480 Speaker 2: Is that my game face? 743 00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:02,080 Speaker 3: He was old Mike Gundy. Do you remember the college 744 00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:04,520 Speaker 3: coach for Oklahoma State. They I'm a man, I'm forty. 745 00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:06,880 Speaker 3: That famous rant when he attacked the reporters for that speech. 746 00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:09,680 Speaker 3: That was a complete and total meltdown. There's just so memory. 747 00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:12,760 Speaker 3: Mike Singletary, the famous Chicago Bear. He was coaching the Niners. 748 00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:15,520 Speaker 3: He's like, I cannot coach these guys. They don't want 749 00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:16,200 Speaker 3: to be a teammate. 750 00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:22,400 Speaker 1: Can't do it, can't coach them. But Terryan just and 751 00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:24,720 Speaker 1: Terry well, we'll talk about with Mike when he joined 752 00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:28,120 Speaker 1: the show. But like it was all planned, it was designed, 753 00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:31,839 Speaker 1: and what it was designed to do was to get the. 754 00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:32,880 Speaker 2: Young guys in line. 755 00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:34,839 Speaker 1: He knew the old guys the PEngs had while they 756 00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:37,800 Speaker 1: were rebuilding were worthless, much like a few of the 757 00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:41,040 Speaker 1: old guys the peng was currently have is rebuilding. But 758 00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:43,319 Speaker 1: you wanted to make sure the young guys, you know, 759 00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:48,160 Speaker 1: you know, got got a little accountability force fed, and 760 00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:49,280 Speaker 1: that did the trick. 761 00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:51,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, and we're gonna play it. It's an entirety later it's 762 00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:53,279 Speaker 3: like three and a half minutes long. But the best part, 763 00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:56,160 Speaker 3: no spoilers. Everybody's hurry pot now the end to your 764 00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:58,320 Speaker 3: point there with the young guys, someone asked them, what 765 00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:00,360 Speaker 3: do you think about Mark talking about Flurry, and Terry's 766 00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:02,440 Speaker 3: just like, Mark's been great. 767 00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:05,680 Speaker 2: Thank God for that. That was it goes, thank you, 768 00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:06,400 Speaker 2: and then he leaves. 769 00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:10,440 Speaker 1: My favorite line still is they say day care, I 770 00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:11,200 Speaker 1: know they don't. 771 00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:14,480 Speaker 2: And don't forget Tom. I was there. I was, you know, 772 00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:17,280 Speaker 2: I was in you know then as now in the media. 773 00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:17,959 Speaker 2: I'm in the room. 774 00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:20,759 Speaker 1: And when he said they say day care, I know 775 00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:23,920 Speaker 1: they don't, I like had to hide my face. Oh yeah, 776 00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:26,120 Speaker 1: just like it was so funny. I don't want him 777 00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:27,920 Speaker 1: to see me just cracking up. He called me. I 778 00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:30,160 Speaker 1: wonder if he'll call me John today. He used to 779 00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:31,719 Speaker 1: mistakenly do that back then. 780 00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:34,560 Speaker 3: He called you Mark when we were coordinating with him 781 00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:36,920 Speaker 3: to do this, So I hope he'll remember that at 782 00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:37,279 Speaker 3: this point. 783 00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:38,480 Speaker 2: I mean, you were in the room. 784 00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:40,759 Speaker 3: I don't think it's hyperbolic to say that was the 785 00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:43,439 Speaker 3: greatest sports rant from a coach that we've ever seen. 786 00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:46,279 Speaker 1: You saw it unfold live. And the thing was, at 787 00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:50,480 Speaker 1: the time I didn't know. The media didn't know. I mean, 788 00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:52,840 Speaker 1: Millan was the media guy then for the Penguins. He 789 00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:55,560 Speaker 1: knew because because Terryan said, and I think a couple 790 00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:57,640 Speaker 1: of people overheard him saying, watch this. 791 00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:02,359 Speaker 2: But but you know, at the time, I didn't know. 792 00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:05,120 Speaker 1: But as soon as he left the room, everybody cracked 793 00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:06,080 Speaker 1: up because it was so great. 794 00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:07,520 Speaker 3: And even if you knew he was going to do 795 00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:09,719 Speaker 3: something along those lines, there's no way you could have 796 00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:11,400 Speaker 3: been prepared to what he actually delivered. 797 00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:15,600 Speaker 1: Well, when Tomlin got you know, when Tomlin resigned, you 798 00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:19,560 Speaker 1: know what I thought to myself, I'm gonna say I care, 799 00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:23,440 Speaker 1: but they know I don't. Up Next, going to talk 800 00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:25,680 Speaker 1: Stillers with Jerry Dulac one oh five nine