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Speaker 1: I'm KRZ Deep Talk Station. Have you ever been in

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Speaker 1: the cockpit before it? Yes, I heard me, The avah

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Speaker 1: extpert Jay Ratliff has many times and we get the

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Speaker 1: blessings of Jay Ratlift and his aviation report every Thursday

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Speaker 1: at a thirty here and the thinty five KRC Morning Show.

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Speaker 1: And in those times of need, he's willing to join

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Speaker 1: us on short notice, which he was kind enough to

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Speaker 1: do this morning to talk about two things. First off,

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Speaker 1: LaGuardia Airport and second off the whole problem we have

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Speaker 1: with TSA. Welcome back, Jay Ratliffe, thank you so much

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Speaker 1: for joining us late in the game.

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Speaker 2: Well, anytime you need me, you know that if I'm available, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I'm here.

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Speaker 1: Well that's a good qualification because you are in high demand.

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Speaker 1: When it hits the fan, and of course let's start

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Speaker 1: with the Guardi Airport where it definitely has hit the fan.

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Speaker 1: We had an Air Canada flight run into a fire

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Speaker 1: truck and it looks like the airplane lost the battle.

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Speaker 1: Jay Ratliffe, what's going on here? What have we learned?

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Speaker 1: I understand that two pilots are dead and looking at

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Speaker 1: the damage, that comes as no shock to me.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was an arriving Air Canada flight. It was

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Speaker 2: a regional jet, one of the Bombardier CRG nine hundreds.

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Speaker 2: It was landing just before midnight last night at LaGuardia

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Speaker 2: and as they were landing and slowing coming up towards

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Speaker 2: the end of the runway, they stowed some considerable speed

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Speaker 2: and the aircraft collided with fuel truck. Now, anytime you're

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Speaker 2: from air traffic control to cross a runway. This fire

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Speaker 2: truck did just that. They requested permission across the runway,

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Speaker 2: they were given permission to do so. Moments after that

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Speaker 2: permission was granted, air traffic control comes back and says stop, stop, stop,

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Speaker 2: trying to get the fire truck to stop. Sadly, they

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Speaker 2: did not do so in time, so we don't know

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Speaker 2: what happened other than in fact, we had seventy two

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Speaker 2: passengers on board the aircraft for crew member. We had

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Speaker 2: the two pilots that were killed. Forty one I believe

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Speaker 2: listed in serious condition. The two individuals were being told

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Speaker 2: in the fire truck injured but non life threatening injuries.

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Speaker 2: There so the NTSB's arrived, they're going to find out

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Speaker 2: exactly what happened. Everybody involves going to be drug tested,

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Speaker 2: looked at the training to look at the maintenance of

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Speaker 2: the aircraft, to make sure the brakes were, you know,

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Speaker 2: doing what they were supposed to be doing. And you know,

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Speaker 2: we'll see if it was a simple matter of a

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Speaker 2: human mistake or if there was mechanical situations or anything

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Speaker 2: else that might have impacted this. And you know, we'll

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Speaker 2: get a briefing in like seven days and then thirty days,

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Speaker 2: and then the final report will be eight to twelve

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Speaker 2: months out. But you know, Brian, you just we've talked

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Speaker 2: the situation where, you know, the aircraft was at a

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Speaker 2: of no return where you can't power up and go around.

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Speaker 2: According to the passengers that were interviewed, they those that

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Speaker 2: the fire truck. Obviously they're doing what they can, but

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Speaker 2: they have limited mobility as far as that aircraft. It's

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Speaker 2: you just you hope that we can find out what happens.

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Speaker 2: So as always we say this that we can honor

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Speaker 1: Yes, we certainly will. And I guess that the interesting

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Speaker 1: But I find it unusual to observe that people are

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm hearing the same.

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Speaker 1: Okay, that's proof that the airplane could not have flown

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, something at a much higher speed.

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Speaker 1: Fuel thing that came in my mind, a really high

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Speaker 1: And the other interesting component of this I read that

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Speaker 2: Yeah, if if that's accurate. And when you look at

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Speaker 2: it's very possible she could be thrown out of that

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Speaker 2: gonna we're gonna hear story after story after story from this,

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Speaker 2: and you know, you've already got people that are pointing

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Speaker 2: ridiculous and infuriating that they're immediately trying to make get political.

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Speaker 1: Uh yeah, you.

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Speaker 2: Know, they probably didn't have enough air traffic controllers in

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Speaker 2: the tower, which means it's obviously President Trump's fault. And

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Speaker 2: I'm very quick to blow the whistle and say time out. No, no, no,

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Speaker 2: no no. We've had an air traffic control or shortage

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Speaker 2: We're going to get it resolved, and he's tried to

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Speaker 2: move things forward to make that happen. But you know,

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Speaker 2: just the part of the politicians that look for events

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Speaker 1: Or a persistent problem across different administrations of different political

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Speaker 1: stripes that continues to exist after decades. Jay Ratt left. There,

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Speaker 1: You have it. Our elected officials rarely serve our best interest.

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Speaker 1: Pause will bring Jay back and talk about the TSA shortage,

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Speaker 1: of course, a political reality. They're not getting paid, so

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Speaker 1: but causing a lot of headaches from the American public

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Speaker 1: and probably devastating for the airlines profits. I want to

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Speaker 1: it's not Thursday, it's a Monday edition of I Heard

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Speaker 1: Me the Aviation Expert, Jay Ratloft talk. And today we're

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Speaker 1: going to move over on this topic to talk about

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Speaker 1: And so Donald Trump suggested putting ICE agents into place

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Speaker 1: to certain TSA agents. Is that a logical reaction, Jay Ratliff,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they'll be able to assist in a manner that

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Speaker 2: will allow the screening process to resume a little bit

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Speaker 2: But the idea of having extra hands and all hands

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Speaker 2: it's a great move by the President, and politically I

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Speaker 2: gain type of thing which happens far, far, far far

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Speaker 2: too often. But I like it. It's a good move.

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Speaker 2: It's not a permanent move, but you know, hopefully we

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Speaker 2: can get everything back so that we can get these

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Speaker 2: make sure that they are paid and well treated. And

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Speaker 2: the idea that there's no urgency seemingly attached to what's

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Speaker 2: going on. They seem like the forgotten step children. And

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Speaker 2: that's I don't blame them, absolutely don't.

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Speaker 1: Well, and I weren't the TSAG is put in place

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Speaker 1: because of nine to eleven.

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Speaker 2: Jay, Well, they were put in place because we needed

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Speaker 2: to make the country feel better because nine to eleven

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Speaker 2: not believe President Trump created a separate, you know, a

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Speaker 2: the thought was, just like we put the National Guard

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Speaker 2: the TSA anymore? Can we go back to a private

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Speaker 2: security firms across the country? Uh? I think that genie

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Speaker 1: That's good point. And I just have to observe that

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Speaker 1: air airports are attacked in some way by someone for

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Speaker 2: You're right, yeah, yeah, little time will be spent or

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Speaker 2: which is what you have to do when you're guilty

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Speaker 2: just I get so irritated on both sides in the

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Speaker 2: like you know, thirty nine trillion, congratulations the national depth

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Speaker 2: After five months we went from thirty eight to thirty nine.

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Speaker 2: Thirty three months later, we'll be at forty.

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Speaker 1: Wait at a one thousand billion dollars in five months.

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Speaker 1: That's great, real quick here, how much training do the

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Speaker 1: I think they can sit and monitor, like for example,

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Speaker 2: Well, you could also put somebody at the point where

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Speaker 2: but there's enough that we could bring them into some

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Speaker 2: of the areas that require less training. They're more of

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Speaker 2: have not. Because even though the TSA employees look like

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Speaker 2: We gave them the uniforms because the morale was low,

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Speaker 2: we can. But back to your question forgive me is

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Speaker 2: but yeah, the ICE agents are better prepared in many

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Speaker 2: even though they're not there for law enforcement, they're only

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Speaker 2: But I am totally okay with having these men and

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Speaker 2: going to help alleviate some of these issues, which again

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Speaker 2: some of the Democrats were actually celebrating these yeah image

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Speaker 1: Yeah, their constituents suffering for one of funding great Jay Ratley,

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Speaker 1: well they.

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Speaker 2: Well they continue to get paid, working and well being president.

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Speaker 2: Well sometimes yeah, having the title of.

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Speaker 1: You know, I get we all get where you're going,

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Speaker 1: Jay Ratlick, God bless you. Look forward to eight thirty

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Speaker 1: on Thursday. We'll bring it back and