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Speaker 1: Yes, it's always a privilege to talk to Hard Rocks

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Speaker 1: number one radio host, but today the circumstances are unfortunate

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Speaker 1: joining me to discuss the late Ace Frayley.

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Speaker 2: It's Eddie Trunk. Eddie.

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Speaker 1: First off, my condolences to you. I know you and

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Speaker 1: Ace Frayley were very close.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you, Mark, And I'm sorry if it's a

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Speaker 3: little noisy in the background. I'm at a hotel at

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Speaker 3: the moment and just kind of got caught outside my room.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, no, I appreciate it. It's been a brutal couple

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Speaker 3: of weeks because unfortunately I knew this was coming, and

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Speaker 3: it's here and I'm actually getting ready to attend the

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Speaker 3: first of the two days of the services.

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Speaker 1: So well, we appreciate you taking the time. And what's

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Speaker 1: even more unfortunate is Ace had been doing very well,

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Speaker 1: hadn't he. I saw him play twice recently. He was

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Speaker 1: in top form, and then I guess he fell at

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Speaker 1: his studio.

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Speaker 2: Correct.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I actually hosted a couple of shows

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Speaker 3: them in the Midwest earlier earlier this earlier this year,

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Speaker 3: and he was doing well. Actually, ironically, I had a

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Speaker 3: couple friends of mine tell me recently who had gone

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Speaker 3: to see him, who were very very critical from being

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Speaker 3: honest of his performances, tell me that they had seen

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Speaker 3: him recently and it was the best he had ever been.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, unfortunately he took a fall that he actually

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Speaker 3: fell twice. He actually fell once and it was very minor,

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Speaker 3: and I spoke to him afterwards and he was okay.

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Speaker 3: And then he took a fall that was catastrophic and

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Speaker 3: he hit his head several times and it caused serious

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Speaker 3: damage that he never recovered.

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Speaker 1: From what is Ace's legacy within the context of what

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Speaker 1: he meant to Kiss, I felt he was so important

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Speaker 1: and probably parentally underrat in that regard.

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Speaker 3: Well, I'll tell you what. Anybody who you know, you know,

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Speaker 3: Kiss always got the knock from detractors of being all

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Speaker 3: style and image and ability and no songs and no

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Speaker 3: ability to play, which anybody that's a Kiss fandos is

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Speaker 3: patently untrue. But that was always the knock on the

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Speaker 3: band from their detractors for their whole their whole history really.

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Speaker 3: But but the people who even the people who were

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Speaker 3: the detractors in that area would always say, yeah, but

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Speaker 3: you know what, the guitar players the most talented guy.

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Speaker 3: You know, they would always say stuff like that, and

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Speaker 3: you know he so he kind of was thought of

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Speaker 3: all you've got to do is look no further than

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Speaker 3: you know the people who have reached out and said

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Speaker 3: things about him ever since he passed away. Just look

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Speaker 3: at what's happened on social media. It is absolutely at

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Speaker 3: Eddie van Halen level. And people have made that comparison

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Speaker 3: to me. Now they're very very different guitar players, and

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Speaker 3: Eddie van Halen's impact was, you know, because he had

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Speaker 3: obviously read to the instrument and the way you play

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Speaker 3: the instrument. But Ace's solos, you know, I always called

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Speaker 3: them songs within the songs. I mean they were incredible

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Speaker 3: parts of kiss songs and very very memorable. And then

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Speaker 3: you factor in all the theatrics and all the imaging

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Speaker 3: and everything that he brought to the table, and the

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Speaker 3: smoking guitar and the guitar that shot the rockets and

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Speaker 3: the light up guitar and all that stuff, and it

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Speaker 3: was a very very potent mix. Anybody that's around my age,

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Speaker 3: which is sixty one years old, I mean, that was

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Speaker 3: your beatles and He was an enormous part of that,

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Speaker 3: and a lot of people called him the most rock

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Speaker 3: I think you're seeing that with the outpouring of love

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Speaker 3: for him and every musician. I mean, I did a

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Speaker 3: tribute show to him Mark on my Serious XM show.

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Speaker 3: I had everybody from Nuno Bettencourt to Joe Bonamasa and Tom.

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Speaker 3: Varied types of guitar players from different backgrounds, all just

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Speaker 2: Well, that's all right on the money.

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Speaker 1: He was certainly the quintessential rock star, you know, definitely

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Speaker 1: lived the vibe. And I you know, having met all

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Speaker 2: Always thought Ace was the realest guy.

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying that to denigrate anybody else, but like

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Speaker 1: I always sensed it when you talk to Ace, what

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Speaker 3: I mean, he was pretty unfiltered. I mean there were

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Speaker 3: And yeah, he was very, very very much that and

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Speaker 3: when I signed him to his record label his first

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Speaker 3: stayed out of his business, you know. So people always said,

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Speaker 3: I stayed out of the business, you know. I just

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Speaker 3: we became friends on another level after we did the

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Speaker 3: label thing together, and you know, because he could be look,

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Speaker 3: I'm not gonna lie. He had he had his weak points.

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Speaker 3: You know, he had struggled with issues with sobriety and

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Speaker 3: that was really really important to him, and I was

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Speaker 3: very proud of him for doing that. But yeah, he

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 1: I wished his last one with Kiss would have lasted longer.

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Speaker 1: I think it was terrible that he didn't get on

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Speaker 1: that would have been very fitting rock and roll Hall

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Speaker 1: of Fame all that. I will say, though, the reunion

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Speaker 3: I mean, look, the reunion in ninety six was the

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Speaker 3: comes back together. It's the biggest thing in the world.

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Speaker 3: They put the makeup back on, they start doing stadiums

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Speaker 3: you know, coming back into that that proved what people

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Speaker 3: But the big difference was they were coming back into

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Speaker 3: the band they co founded as Highed Guns and after

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Speaker 3: and it's naturally gonna breed animosity, and it did, and

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Speaker 3: I'll tell you the thing that I really regret is,

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Speaker 3: you know, Gene and Paul would not allow Ace to

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Speaker 3: Fame induction, So as a result, Kiss didn't play, and

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Speaker 3: I think the fans felt got really short chance changed

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Speaker 3: what happened because I was involved in it. Ace said,

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Speaker 3: there were a lot of missed opportunities. But I'll tell

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Speaker 3: but that was something I know he was looking forward

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Speaker 3: And it's a real bummer that we're not going to

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Speaker 1: The one thing telling about the rock and roll induction Eddie,

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Speaker 1: With almost every other group, to my knowledge, they inducted

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Speaker 1: whoever the band said should go in with Kiss. The

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Speaker 3: Well, that was what the rock and Roll Hall of

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Speaker 3: Fame did decide obviously. But I'll tell you Mark, Look,

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Speaker 3: me a voter. But I'll say this, one of the many,

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Speaker 3: beyond who finally does or doesn't get in, is then

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Speaker 3: in right, And that is decided by the Hall of Fame,

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Speaker 3: And it is wildly erratic, meaning like you will have

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Speaker 3: You'll have a situation where they'll put in a guy

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Speaker 3: how does that make sense? None of it makes sense.

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Speaker 3: But yes, with Kiss it was a four only and look,

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Speaker 3: if you are a band that gets nominated, you can

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Speaker 3: push back on that. You can fight it. Bon Jovi did.

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Speaker 3: Bon Jovi fought it and got Hugh McDonald put in,

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Speaker 3: who was not originally on the ballot. But if you

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Speaker 3: and look, sometimes the bands want it to be that way.

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Speaker 1: I want to mention Ace's solo album when Kiss put

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Speaker 1: out the four solo albums, because I thought that told

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Speaker 1: to tail Eddie. Ace's album was to me the best

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Speaker 2: Didn't it It.

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Speaker 3: Was by far the biggest it is It was the

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Speaker 3: You had four guys that all sang, You had four

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Speaker 3: had four bands, four guys that made very hooky songs,

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Speaker 3: And when you went to those shows. My first show

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Speaker 3: I just remember going to the garden and draped over

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Speaker 1: I appreciate you so much taking a time again. My

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Speaker 3: Thank you, Mark all the best. Do you take care?

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Speaker 1: Steelers with the disappointing loss at Cincinnati and are rather confusing.

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Speaker 1: Mike tom Win press conference today, joining me now to

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Speaker 1: Mike de Fable. Mike, what did you make of what

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Speaker 1: tom Win said today? He blamed the run defense primarily.

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Speaker 1: Why didn't he blame the past defense that was a

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Speaker 7: Yeah, it seemed to.

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Speaker 6: Me like he was trying to cover for those guys

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Speaker 6: He pointed out Mason McCormick had a big false start,

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Speaker 6: That was really the number one issue. I mean, they

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Speaker 1: I thought the defense was way too passive against Flacco.

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Speaker 1: I thought they gave up too much underneath. Is that

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Speaker 7: It's bring some more pressures and bring.

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Speaker 6: a four man rush and they were not getting home

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Speaker 6: enough and so you know, the flaka was trying to

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Speaker 6: get the ball out of his hands quickly. I think

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Speaker 6: that the only way to solve that is to really

443
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Speaker 6: put him under some heat and make him get the

444
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Speaker 6: ball out and hit him and hurry him and knock

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Speaker 6: him off of his game.

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Speaker 3: And I mean a.

447
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Speaker 6: Four year old quarterback is not going to want to

448
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Speaker 6: get hit a lot. I think that's what I would

449
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Speaker 6: have tried to dial up. But really, nothing that they

450
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Speaker 6: did worked no matter what they tried. They did try

451
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Speaker 6: some different coverages, they went from man to zone, they

452
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Speaker 6: had different people on different receivers. Nothing they did worked

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Speaker 6: at all.

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Speaker 1: I thought the approach of each offense was telling too, Mike.

455
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Speaker 1: The Bengals turned Flaco loose and he'd barely been there.

456
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Speaker 1: And the Steelers really have made Rogers a game manager,

457
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Speaker 1: haven't they?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, their game plan really is like short

459
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Speaker 6: quick passes and run the ball in the occasional deep

460
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Speaker 6: shot when it's there. And you know, I agree with you.

461
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Speaker 6: I also would take it one step further, Mark and

462
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Speaker 6: say this game was an example of two teams that

463
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Speaker 6: have taken dramatically different approaches to roster building. The Bengals,

464
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Speaker 6: a lot of people were critical of them because they

465
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Speaker 6: basically are paying two guys wide receiver one tight money,

466
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Speaker 6: whereas the Steelers, as everybody obviously knows, went all in

467
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Speaker 6: on defense. And I think it's Thursday Night shows. Good

468
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Speaker 6: offense in twenty twenty five beats high paid defense. It's

469
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Speaker 6: just the way that it is, and I think of anything,

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Speaker 6: this should really illuminate that the Steelers need to think

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Speaker 6: long and hard about their approach and the way they

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Speaker 6: allocep their resources in a salary cap league.

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Speaker 1: Well in that vein Mike, is anyone on that defense

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Speaker 1: performing at an elite level?

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Speaker 2: I mean even one single player.

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Speaker 6: I'm racking by brain here because I think we've seen

477
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Speaker 6: elite play, but not elite performances like TJ. Watt was

478
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Speaker 6: pretty much invisible. You know, Cam Hayward had some pressures,

479
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Speaker 6: but pretty much invisible.

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Speaker 7: Alex Heismith's not a great game from him.

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Speaker 6: I mean you, if your plan is going to be

482
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Speaker 6: that they want to get pressure with just four, you

483
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Speaker 6: should be able to with given how much you're paying

484
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Speaker 6: those guys up front, and they weren't able to get

485
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Speaker 6: the job done at all. You know, if you want

486
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Speaker 6: to play nickel defense and count on your inside linebackers

487
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Speaker 6: two guys to fill three holes, you should be able

488
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Speaker 6: to do that when you're paying Patrick Queen all that money.

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Speaker 6: You know, if you want to man up Jamar Chase

490
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Speaker 6: and T. Higgins, or at least slow and shut them

491
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Speaker 6: down to a degree, you should be able to do

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Speaker 6: that when you're paying Jalen Ramsey all that money. So

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Speaker 6: I agree with you, Mark, I don't think that there's

494
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Speaker 6: a person on this team that's necessarily played up to

495
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Speaker 6: their paycheck or up to expectations on the defensive side

496
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Speaker 6: of the ball.

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Speaker 2: Was Ramy exposed? Will teams go after him after what?

498
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Speaker 1: Or is that an outlier because Chase is the best

499
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Speaker 1: receiver in football.

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Speaker 7: I don't know that it is an outlier unfortunately.

501
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Speaker 6: I mean, I think Ramsey definitely still a very good player,

502
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Speaker 6: and there's ways they can use him to be a

503
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Speaker 6: difference maker on defense, and he has been a difference

504
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Speaker 6: maker at times.

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Speaker 7: But I just look at this game, and then I.

506
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Speaker 6: Look back to the Seattle game and against Seattle Jackson

507
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Speaker 6: Smith and Jigba and Cooper Cupp, who's I mean, he's

508
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Speaker 6: in his thirties at this point too. Both of those

509
00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:33,600
Speaker 6: guys were beating Jalen Ramsey, and you know, so, I

510
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Speaker 6: don't think that he's this guy that you could simply say, hey,

511
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Speaker 6: you go head to head against the top receiver, shut

512
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Speaker 6: him down, and we'll take care of the rest. Maybe

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Speaker 6: at one point in his career he was that guy,

514
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Speaker 6: but at least given the schematics to the Steelers defense

515
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Speaker 6: or the way that he's playing so far early in

516
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Speaker 6: his tenure here, I don't think that he is still

517
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Speaker 6: that guy that you could simply say take away the opponent,

518
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Speaker 6: the opponent's number one wide receiver.

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Speaker 1: We're talking to, Mike, the fable of the athletic. He's

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Speaker 2: Mike, I feel like they needed that win. I feel

523
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Speaker 2: like they needed to be five and one. Now it

524
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Speaker 2: feels like.

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Speaker 1: They're gonna lose two of the next three. They're headed

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Speaker 1: for five and four. It seems so familiar, doesn't it.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm a little bit worried because it did feel

528
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Speaker 6: like this was a game where they could have really

529
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Speaker 6: separated themselves.

530
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Speaker 7: In the AFC North and made up some ground.

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Speaker 6: Because it really gets much more difficult from here for

532
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Speaker 6: the Steelers and especially the defense, This defense that has

533
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Speaker 6: not risen to expectations, not played up to the level

534
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Speaker 6: that everyone was expecting this season. They still have to

535
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Speaker 6: play the Lions, who are a very good offense. They

536
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Speaker 6: still have to play the Bills that are going to

537
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Speaker 6: be a great.

538
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Speaker 7: Offense with Josh Allen.

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Speaker 6: They still have to play the Ravens twice, just a

540
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Speaker 6: few months after Terrell Austin said they've got a Baltimore

541
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Speaker 6: problem and they've got.

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Speaker 7: To play the Colts.

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Speaker 3: Who.

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Speaker 7: I mean, it seems like every time Shane styke In

545
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Speaker 7: plays Mike.

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Speaker 6: Tomin and Tarrell Austin, Shane Stiken looks like a wizard

547
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Speaker 6: and they look far from it.

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Speaker 7: So, I mean, they've got they.

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Speaker 6: Haven't even played the good offensive teams yet, and their

550
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Speaker 6: defense is already showing some cracks right now. And so

551
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Speaker 6: that's what really concerns me is that this defense that

552
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Speaker 6: was once so hyped, they haven't even faced the tough

553
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Speaker 6: teams and they're already showing some problems.

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Speaker 1: Well speak of which, Green Bay isn't a great matchup

555
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Speaker 1: for anyone because they're good, but it feels like.

556
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Speaker 2: A real bad matchup for the Steelers. It's a tough,

557
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Speaker 2: physical team that could run and throw the ball.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, there's tests no matter how you want to dice

559
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Speaker 6: it up. There's really tough matchups for the Steelers, and

560
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Speaker 6: I think maybe the biggest one is Micah Parsons in

561
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Speaker 6: that pass rush against this young Steelers offensive line because

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Speaker 6: I actually feel like the last couple games the Steelers

563
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Speaker 6: offensive line has improved. I think that the way that

564
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Speaker 6: they were able to shut down and null five Miles

565
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Speaker 6: Garrett was probably the best performance of the season. And

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Speaker 6: then the last game without Trey Hendrickson, the Bengals have

567
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Speaker 6: no pass rush. If they don't have trained Hendrickson, no

568
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Speaker 6: one's going to get home. So I don't really take

569
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Speaker 6: a lot out of that. So this one's really going

570
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Speaker 6: to be a test of are they improving or did

571
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Speaker 6: they just do a better job against Garrett by doubling

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Speaker 6: and tripling him and then against the Bengals team that

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Speaker 6: had no pass rush whatsoever. So I think I think

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Speaker 6: it could be a tough game there. I think it's

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Speaker 6: a tough game because the Steelers have struggled defensively getting

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Speaker 6: off the field on third downs and the green Bay

577
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Speaker 6: Packers are a very good third down offense.

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Speaker 7: It's a bad.

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Speaker 6: Matchup because the Steelers defense gives up too many exposed

580
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Speaker 6: to have played, and the Green Bay Packers are one

581
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Speaker 6: of the most explosive passing offenses, at least in terms of.

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Speaker 7: A per play type level.

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Speaker 6: You know, so up and down the board, I think

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Speaker 6: there's some very difficult matchups.

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Speaker 7: For the Steelers.

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Speaker 6: That said, oddly, I think the Steelers are going to

587
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Speaker 6: win this one just because of the Aaron Rodgers factor,

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Speaker 6: you know, I think I think looking ahead to these

589
00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:02,960
Speaker 6: next couple of games, I think they're gonna win this one,

590
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Speaker 6: and I think they're gonna turn right around and.

591
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Speaker 7: Lose to the Colts and Shane Ssiken just because.

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Speaker 6: Of the fact that, like things don't make sense with

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Speaker 6: the Pittsburgh Steelers. The Steelers should have beaten Joe Flacco

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Speaker 6: ten days into his tenures of Bengals, but they don't

595
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Speaker 6: win on Thursday Night football.

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Speaker 7: The Steelers shouldn't win against the Green Bay Packers because they're.

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Speaker 6: A better football team, but they're probably going to just

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Speaker 6: because these are the type.

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Speaker 7: Of games that they win, especially with Aaron Rodgers as

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Speaker 7: their quarterback.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, here's my disclaimer there, and I don't doubt what

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Speaker 1: you're saying, but I think Rogers might overthink at playing

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Speaker 1: against Green Bay for the first time, and I think

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Speaker 1: if he starts out bad, it could go real bad.

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Speaker 6: I agree with you there, because you know, people that

606
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Speaker 6: have covered the Packers that I've talked to a lot

607
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Speaker 6: one of their criticisms of him is in the playoffs,

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Speaker 6: they feel like there's times where he tries to do

609
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Speaker 6: too much, tries to put the team on his back,

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Speaker 6: and starts working outside of structure too much and kind

611
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Speaker 6: of freelancing and kind of putting too much on his shoulders.

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Speaker 6: And I think that that would be my concern with

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Speaker 6: this game. I think that the Steelers are going to

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Speaker 6: need to run the ball effectively or at least have

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Speaker 6: some balance to their offense, and they're going to need

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Speaker 6: Aaron Rodgers to protect the football. And I think if

617
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Speaker 6: he feels like he needs to play hero ball, or

618
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Speaker 6: they get in a situation where they're behind, I think

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Speaker 6: that's where things can get away from them.

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Speaker 1: Who can emerge as an additional weapon for the Steelers

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Speaker 1: And the answer might be nobody, But somebody needs to,

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Speaker 1: don't they?

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Speaker 7: Yeah? I think, you know. I can think about this

624
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Speaker 7: in a couple of ways.

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Speaker 6: I mean, the obvious one is Roman Wilson, and I

626
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Speaker 6: think a lot of people were optimistic.

627
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Speaker 7: Calvin Austin being out the last two games.

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Speaker 6: Would mean simply Roman Wilson would be up, But as

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Speaker 6: we saw, the Steelers were content to play Ben Scronic

630
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Speaker 6: and Scottie Miller and you know, Keishawn Williams other guys

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Speaker 6: even more.

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Speaker 7: Than Roman Wilson.

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Speaker 6: So somehow, some way, Roman Wilson earning the trust of

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Speaker 6: this coach and.

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Speaker 1: It's not going to have if it's not happened by now,

636
00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:02,960
Speaker 1: it's just not going to happen.

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Speaker 7: And you're right, You're right, you're right, Mark.

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Speaker 1: I mean, the notion that freaking Ben Scarnic and Scottie

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Speaker 1: Miller should be planned more than Roma Wilson is insane.

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Speaker 6: I agree with you, Mark, because you have to develop

641
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Speaker 6: these young players and the only way is to develop

642
00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:23,080
Speaker 6: them is to put them on the field. And last

643
00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:26,520
Speaker 6: year was an injury mostly the cost Roman Wilson's rookie year.

644
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Speaker 6: Now it's what now, it's coaching decisions that they're choosing

645
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Speaker 6: not to play him and they're instead going with these

646
00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:36,760
Speaker 6: these veteran guys that their feeling is very well established.

647
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Speaker 6: You know, Roman Wilson's ceiling has not yet been established.

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Speaker 6: So I'd like to see more from him, but I

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Speaker 6: agree with you that we might not. Maybe the answer

650
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Speaker 6: to your question, Mark is just more balance and consistency

651
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Speaker 6: from the tight ends. Because if Pat Firemans has had

652
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Speaker 6: a pretty underwhelming season until last game, you know, and

653
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Speaker 6: in that game, like he finally started to break out.

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Speaker 6: If they can find ways to keep Darnel Washington, keep

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Speaker 6: Pat Ryan with Keith John new Smith involving the offense,

656
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Speaker 6: plus DK and Calvin Austin, you know, now you've got

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Speaker 6: five guys who are getting.

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Speaker 7: The ball and you could spread the football around a

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Speaker 7: little bit.

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Speaker 6: I think maybe that's my answer, is just more consistent

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Speaker 6: production from the guys.

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Speaker 2: That you know can do it.

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Speaker 1: Does Nick Kerbing need to play more because he's on

664
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Speaker 1: performing what let alone high Smith?

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Speaker 6: I think in past rush situations. Yes, But I think

666
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:32,520
Speaker 6: the reason why we saw so much about high Smith

667
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:34,800
Speaker 6: in the last game, and Cole Hulkum for that matter,

668
00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:37,800
Speaker 6: is because they weren't stopping the run. And those are

669
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Speaker 6: your rundown linebackers. So I think that's why we didn't

670
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Speaker 6: see more of her Big and the fact that he's

671
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:48,120
Speaker 6: undersized and just not quite as good as high Smith

672
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Speaker 6: against the run. But I agree with you that I

673
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:54,680
Speaker 6: think it's reached the point where you could make the

674
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:57,720
Speaker 6: case that nearly every third down her Big should be

675
00:31:57,760 --> 00:31:59,120
Speaker 6: out there in some form or fashion.

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Speaker 1: Are the Steelers I don't want to say soft, Mike,

677
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:05,800
Speaker 1: that's probably an unfair word, but it feels like they're

678
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:09,280
Speaker 1: getting physically dominated a lot of the times, like Bully's

679
00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:10,640
Speaker 1: probably too strong, but maybe not.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I think I think there are instances where they

681
00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:18,600
Speaker 6: need to do a better job of getting off blocks.

682
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:21,320
Speaker 6: I mean, when you allow what was it, one hundred

683
00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:24,280
Speaker 6: and fifty rushing yards or whatever to one of the

684
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:28,480
Speaker 6: worst rushing offenses in the league, you're losing the physical

685
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:32,520
Speaker 6: part of the matchup for sure, and there's also just

686
00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:35,600
Speaker 6: some execution things. So they were in their nickel defense

687
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:37,720
Speaker 6: for most of the game, like about eighty percent of

688
00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:40,080
Speaker 6: the time, and that was to match up against the

689
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:42,720
Speaker 6: three wide receivers. And when you do that, it means

690
00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:47,000
Speaker 6: you've got two inside linebackers for three gaps, and they

691
00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:53,680
Speaker 6: weren't fitting those gaps appropriately, and.

692
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:54,000
Speaker 7: So, like, I think it was both.

693
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:57,080
Speaker 6: I think it was physically they weren't getting off the blocks,

694
00:32:57,440 --> 00:33:00,200
Speaker 6: and then in terms of execution they were all also

695
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:02,120
Speaker 6: plenty of times when guys weren't in the gaps they

696
00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:02,960
Speaker 6: were supposed to be in.

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Speaker 1: Mike is always great stuff. I appreciate the insight, great

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Speaker 1: work at the athletic We'll talk again next week.

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Speaker 7: All right, so good Mark, thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: That is Mike the Fable from the Athletic Breaklast by Armstrong.

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Speaker 1: That's Armstrong one wire dot Com super Genius here on

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Speaker 1: the X. Now it's time to ask Mark Anything. Eight

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Speaker 1: leave a talkback via the microphone icon at the iHeartMedia app.

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Speaker 1: It's the Mark Man Show one oh five to nine.

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Speaker 8: Time now to send in your questions for Ask Mark Anything,

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Speaker 8: use the talkback Mike on your free iHeartRadio app and

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Speaker 8: record your question for the super Genius.

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Speaker 1: constant commotion.

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Speaker 2: Sometimes I'm so damned dump. I would take a phone

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Speaker 2: call from me the.

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Speaker 10: Ex at one oh five nine.

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Speaker 2: I've enjoyed today's show.

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Speaker 1: It's been all over the place, a lot of ace

732
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:58,160
Speaker 1: friendly talk, having Eddie trunk on, but uh.

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Speaker 2: Aces to my heroes. Very sad to see him go.

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00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:07,839
Speaker 1: I often think about that too, is like, I mean,

735
00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:12,839
Speaker 1: considering what's playing right now, like when when David Coverdell goes,

736
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:18,799
Speaker 1: oh my God, when Jimmy Page goes, when Robert Plant goes,

737
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:21,520
Speaker 1: who I'm gonna see it wheeling next week. I mean,

738
00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:23,799
Speaker 1: like those guys, I'm gonna take a day off work.

739
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:28,399
Speaker 1: I'll be that's shaken. And if that makes me kind

740
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:30,000
Speaker 1: of goofy, I think it just makes me a fan.

741
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:34,160
Speaker 1: Somebody tweeted, I can't believe Madden was almost crying when

742
00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:36,439
Speaker 1: he eulogized as freely at the beginning of the show.

743
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:37,800
Speaker 2: Now I didn't almost cry.

744
00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:41,520
Speaker 1: I was crying, and shame on you if you don't

745
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:43,920
Speaker 1: have heroes that you can feel that way about when

746
00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:48,160
Speaker 1: they go. But now it's time to ask Mark anything

747
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Speaker 1: A three three four one thirty nine and it's brought

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Speaker 1: to us by People's Natural Gas. That's Peopleshyphengas dot Com.

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Speaker 2: Let's go to Jake. Jake, ask Mark Anything.

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Speaker 11: Hey, super genius. When was the first time you saw

751
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:08,759
Speaker 11: kissing concert? And what's your favorite kiss song? Thank you

752
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:11,960
Speaker 11: for that interview with Eddie Trunk. That's the best tribute

753
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Speaker 11: to as on the radio.

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Speaker 12: All all all.

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00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:16,959
Speaker 1: Actually ed Ed's done better, but yeah, it was great

756
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:21,640
Speaker 1: to talk to Eddie. The first time I saw Kiss,

757
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:23,920
Speaker 1: the first two contracts I saw were Rod Stewart with

758
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:29,240
Speaker 1: Faces and then Kiss Mott and Rush, both at at

759
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:32,200
Speaker 1: the Civic Arena. So that's the first time I saw Kiss.

760
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Speaker 1: That had to have been like seventy six ish. I

761
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:37,359
Speaker 1: was like fifteen, sixteen years old. I wish I could

762
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:39,799
Speaker 1: remember the exact dates, but the fact that it was

763
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:43,080
Speaker 1: Faces indicates it had to be seventy five or seventy six,

764
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Speaker 1: and then Kiss a couple months later.

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Speaker 2: My favorite kiss songs are.

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Speaker 1: All the A songs, I mean, shock me, rip it

767
00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:51,680
Speaker 1: Out from the solo album New York Grew from the

768
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:56,480
Speaker 1: solo album Rocket Ride. He wrote Cole Jin didn't sing it.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think Ace just had a knack, as

770
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:02,719
Speaker 1: did everybody in the band. But but Ace really got

771
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:05,800
Speaker 1: what kiss should sound like, both in terms of writing

772
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:07,800
Speaker 1: and of course his guitar playing.

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Speaker 2: Let's go to DJ DJ Askmark anything, Hi.

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Speaker 13: Mark, I'm calling about Penglin hockey again. Basically, after the

775
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:19,799
Speaker 13: first week, the Penguins look good and then they looked bad.

776
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:21,719
Speaker 13: The second week on the West Coast, they won two

777
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:23,760
Speaker 13: out of three games. I was actually there for the games.

778
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:26,680
Speaker 13: They have four wins and are looking good. But if

779
00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:28,480
Speaker 13: you look at their opponents, none of those teams are

780
00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:29,480
Speaker 13: above five hundred.

781
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:30,080
Speaker 2: That's okay.

782
00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:32,640
Speaker 13: Do you think they okay? So you think there's reason

783
00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:33,360
Speaker 13: to be optimistic?

784
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:36,759
Speaker 1: No, no, but I'm saying it's okay when you beat

785
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:40,160
Speaker 1: bad teams. They're supposed to beat bad teams in LA

786
00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:41,960
Speaker 1: and the LA Kings are a good team. They're just

787
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:44,920
Speaker 1: off to a bad start. That was actually, to my mind,

788
00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:46,359
Speaker 1: their most impressive win.

789
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:49,719
Speaker 13: Yeah, I think so it's a good game.

790
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:52,160
Speaker 2: You know, Hey, if you're serious about trying to make

791
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:54,920
Speaker 2: the playoffs, and I hope they are not.

792
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:58,560
Speaker 1: But you know, right now, like like Pierre said earlier,

793
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:01,520
Speaker 1: you're playing a Vancouver team. It's really beat up. You're

794
00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:04,920
Speaker 1: at Florida Thursday, the Panthers are really beat up. I mean,

795
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:06,920
Speaker 1: there's some points to be got here. If you really

796
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:11,040
Speaker 1: do think you could make the playoffs, Let's go to Jude. Hey, Jude,

797
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:13,320
Speaker 1: you're all with double M.

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00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:14,480
Speaker 7: Good day, Double M.

799
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Speaker 2: I said, good day.

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Speaker 14: Hey, really appreciate your Ah Freely tribute. It was really

801
00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:23,919
Speaker 14: sad to hear about the passing of him last week.

802
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:27,520
Speaker 14: I'm in my early thirties and first concert with seeing

803
00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:32,440
Speaker 14: them during the reunion tour at Melon Arena, but with

804
00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:35,160
Speaker 14: a little disappointed as part of the farewell tour that

805
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:37,439
Speaker 14: they didn't bring the original members back.

806
00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:40,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, they just weren't going to do that. They just

807
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:44,440
Speaker 1: weren't going to do that right, And I think it's terrible, bro,

808
00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:46,799
Speaker 1: it's awful, But you get tired of talking about it.

809
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:50,360
Speaker 1: I mean, I knew they wouldn't. I've known enough about

810
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:52,920
Speaker 1: Jane and Paul for years to know that that just wasn't.

811
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:58,000
Speaker 1: They will never give of themselves at the expense of themselves,

812
00:38:58,360 --> 00:38:59,440
Speaker 1: if that makes any sense.

813
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:01,720
Speaker 2: No, I agree.

814
00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:04,040
Speaker 7: I guess part of it was seeing what Ozzy did

815
00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:06,040
Speaker 7: and then kind of thought it, thinking of what could

816
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:06,359
Speaker 7: have been.

817
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:06,640
Speaker 12: Oh.

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00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:10,160
Speaker 1: I was at the last Kiss Live show ever at MSG.

819
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:14,240
Speaker 2: And there was nothing special about it. Nothing.

820
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:16,560
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm glad I went because you know, you

821
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:18,280
Speaker 1: should be there at the end if you were there

822
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:20,800
Speaker 1: all those years, But there was nothing.

823
00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:22,640
Speaker 2: Special about it. Thank you for the call.

824
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Speaker 1: Actually, one story I do want to tell. One of

825
00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:35,799
Speaker 1: my favorite Kiss memories is when they did Reunite. I

826
00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:38,520
Speaker 1: was at World Championship Wrestling and we worked with Kiss.

827
00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:42,440
Speaker 1: We put a wrestler, Dale Torborg first, and then Brian

828
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:45,800
Speaker 1: Adams in Jean's makeup called him the Kiss Demon, and

829
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:48,080
Speaker 1: we didn't do a very good job promoting it. But

830
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:53,120
Speaker 1: Kiss came and played live when the Demon debuted, and

831
00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:56,919
Speaker 1: their stage to play live was set up literally right

832
00:39:57,040 --> 00:39:58,720
Speaker 1: behind our broadcast location.

833
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:01,440
Speaker 2: I was on TV at the time and it was

834
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Speaker 2: right behind me.

835
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Speaker 1: Shavanne and Scott Hudson and they played war Machine to

836
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:10,560
Speaker 1: bring Dale to the ring. But then we went off

837
00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:13,080
Speaker 1: the air and they played three more songs. So you know,

838
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:17,040
Speaker 1: me and Shavanni, especially the two big Kiss fans stayed

839
00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:19,279
Speaker 1: right there. I mean I could have reached up and

840
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:21,839
Speaker 1: touched any of the members of Kiss that we were

841
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:26,880
Speaker 1: like in the equivalent of the photographer's pit, you know,

842
00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:28,000
Speaker 1: at a normal country.

843
00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:28,960
Speaker 2: It was so awesome.

844
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:32,120
Speaker 1: One of my favorite Kiss memories, meeting all four guys

845
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Speaker 1: on that occasion.

846
00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:36,680
Speaker 2: And actually I was part of.

847
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Speaker 1: A conversation with the Ace Freightley and Scott Hall, who

848
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:45,240
Speaker 1: was our Ace Freightley, if you get my drift. Amazing

849
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:49,400
Speaker 1: to see those two talk. Both gone. Now let's go

850
00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:50,120
Speaker 1: to a talkback.

851
00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:53,040
Speaker 2: Mark Adams from Pleasant Hills.

852
00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:55,680
Speaker 15: I haven't watched Resting in years, but I saw Sting

853
00:40:55,719 --> 00:40:58,680
Speaker 15: made an appearance on aw the other day and I

854
00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:01,120
Speaker 15: wanted to know what you saw, and memories were of

855
00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:04,360
Speaker 15: working with him at WANs.

856
00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:06,759
Speaker 1: Real good guy. We didn't get along at first, we

857
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:08,640
Speaker 1: did at the end. Every time I've seen him since,

858
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:13,640
Speaker 1: we got along. An absolutely iconic performer, especially as the Crow,

859
00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:16,120
Speaker 1: the guy who came down from the rafters and and

860
00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:19,080
Speaker 1: and went after the nWo uh. We screwed it up

861
00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:21,240
Speaker 1: at that star Kade where he should have beat Hogan clean.

862
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:25,720
Speaker 1: But you know, I have nothing but the highest regard

863
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:27,759
Speaker 1: for sting and the fact that he came out and

864
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:30,920
Speaker 1: did something in an aw show confirms that nobody in

865
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:33,520
Speaker 1: wrestling ever really quits.

866
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:34,120
Speaker 5: Uh.

867
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Speaker 10: Let's go to Jerry, Hey, Mark Tom. I really feel

868
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:42,279
Speaker 10: like Kiss was split on the line between Gene and

869
00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:46,960
Speaker 10: Paul and Ash and Peter in the terms of Gene

870
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:50,480
Speaker 10: and Paul like were dead serious, like they should be.

871
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:56,600
Speaker 12: Taken as a serious act, and Atham and Peter were.

872
00:41:56,680 --> 00:41:58,040
Speaker 12: I don't know if they kind of end on the

873
00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:00,759
Speaker 12: jokes because I didn't really think they were jo but on.

874
00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:04,400
Speaker 1: The app no, No, I just think I can I

875
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:08,400
Speaker 1: can define it better. Gene and Paul were serious businessmen.

876
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:14,600
Speaker 1: As and Peter were not good Paul, Yeah, and Geena

877
00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:17,120
Speaker 1: and Paul were also control freaks, and As and Peter

878
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:19,879
Speaker 1: were not. And in situation like that, there's only ever

879
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:22,439
Speaker 1: going to be one winner. Let's go to Ken Ken

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Speaker 1: and Beaver Countie.

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Speaker 7: Well, it's a.

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Speaker 3: Question for you, guy man.

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Speaker 11: We usually talk sports, but what was your favorite rock

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Speaker 11: concert show.

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Speaker 2: Of all time? I've said that many times. I believe

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Speaker 2: I forget the exact date.

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Speaker 1: Nineteen eighty eight Guns N' Roses on the Way Up

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Speaker 1: Open It for Aerosmith and their comeback tour with with

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Speaker 1: We're Done with Mirrors.

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Speaker 2: Uh, you know, the.

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Speaker 1: Up and coming band trying to catch the veterans in Wheeling,

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Speaker 1: West Virginia the West Banco Arena. I don't know what

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Speaker 1: it's called now. Maybe that is what it's called now,

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Speaker 1: but it was just classic. I'll never forget that. The

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Speaker 1: best concert I've ever seen. Let's go to David. David,

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Speaker 1: what's up?

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Speaker 7: Hey?

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Speaker 16: Hey, Mark, I know you're not the biggest fan of

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Speaker 16: international play, but now the egypt is qualified for the

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Speaker 16: World Cup, would you be interested in going to watch

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Speaker 16: most Solid play this summer somewhere in the US.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm gonna go see at least one World Cup game.

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Speaker 1: I'm not necessarily Arsta, but Sea in America play, so yeah.

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Speaker 1: I would love to see Moplay, although boy, he's struggling

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Speaker 1: right now, and I hope he can get back on

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Speaker 1: for him because Liverpool certainly needed. Let's go to a talkback.

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Speaker 15: In Double M when the Penns had the HBK line

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Speaker 15: and Shawn Michaels came to PPG. Did you have anything

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Speaker 15: to do with facilitating that with your connections in wrestling.

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Speaker 1: No, but I named the line HBK and I and

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Speaker 1: I did the Shawn Michael steam music, and I suggested

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Speaker 1: we should bring Shawn in.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 1: Did I arrange it? No, But it wouldn't happen without me.

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Speaker 1: I can tell you that for sure. And I brought

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Speaker 1: two of my friends together, Shawn and Brett keyes our

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Speaker 1: buddies to this day after meeting. Then they go hunting

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Speaker 1: and stuff still right now, and I think the world

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Speaker 1: of both guys. And yeah, I had a lot to

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Speaker 1: do with that, but I did not directly arrange it.

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Speaker 2: Let's go to Dick in Churchill.

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Speaker 6: Dick, do you prefer three company episodes with mister Fairlie

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Speaker 6: or mister.

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Speaker 2: I preferm with Suzanne Summers. Let's go to j Jay.

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Speaker 3: Mark.

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Speaker 11: I'm want to ask you, do you think Aaron Rodgers

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Speaker 11: has the strongest partment in NFL history?

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Speaker 6: Uh?

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Speaker 2: Is that relevant? Does it matter?

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Speaker 11: I'm just asking because a lot of people have been

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Speaker 11: debating it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's I think it's a idiotic debate.

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Speaker 1: I don't think it matters who has the strongest. I

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Speaker 1: think you need strength, you need accuracy, you need stats,

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Speaker 1: you need rings.

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Speaker 2: Let's go to a talkback.

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Speaker 5: Mark, would you agree that the defense let coach t

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Speaker 5: you down against the Bengals, and do you agree with

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Speaker 5: his statement regardless and trading Joe Flacco within the division.

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Speaker 1: I agree with everything coach T says and does. He's

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Speaker 1: a football mastermind. Five ninety eight.