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Speaker 4: Sports Talk presented by Kelsey Chevalet. By the way, I'm Lance. Okay, letstra,

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Speaker 4: for this team, all of that and a whole lot more.

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Speaker 4: with Mike de Courses, we continue the RNL Carrier Sports

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Speaker 4: Talk presented by Kelsey Chevrolet seven hundred WLW eighteen seven

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Speaker 4: Kelsey Chevrolet. I'm Lance Bacount Lester. What a treat our

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Speaker 4: Fox Sports. It is always to welcome in, Mike de Corsi.

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Speaker 4: How are you?

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Speaker 2: I'm great?

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Speaker 5: Lance?

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Speaker 4: I am well and better now because I'm talking with

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Speaker 4: you and talking hoops. Let's start with the much debated

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Speaker 4: twenty five in O Miami RedHawks. You wrote in a

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Speaker 4: to denigrate perfection. What would you? What else would you say?

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Speaker 7: To show up.

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Speaker 8: That's an idea, it's it's it's it's ridiculous. Look I

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Speaker 8: They were three fifty on Friday going into the game

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Speaker 8: People are complaining at me all weekend about what I

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Speaker 8: And look, the RedHawks are going to find this over

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Speaker 8: They have at UMass, they've got Bowling Green at home,

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Speaker 8: Well, I think it's fair to say that one team

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Speaker 8: You still haven't made the show, and you still haven't

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Speaker 8: I mean, they're not perfect, but even the games they lose,

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Speaker 8: I think what they are is what they what they've

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Speaker 2: We might lose them. You know what it's like, as Savior.

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Speaker 8: That's why Xavier is one of the better basketball programs

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Speaker 4: I knew that when we get you fired up, always

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Speaker 4: a treat talking with you. Thank you for making time.

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Speaker 2: Oh of course, Lance, It's always a pleasure to talk

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Speaker 10: I'm doing fantastic.

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Speaker 5: How are you doing?

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Speaker 4: appreciate your time. So that the tagging tray would cost

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Speaker 10: I don't think so. And when you look at it,

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Speaker 10: But my question Lance is in all of this, wouldn't

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Speaker 10: up there, Seattle up there, and those are teams playing

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Speaker 10: for Super Bowls. And when the Bengals played for Super

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Speaker 10: Bowl in twenty twenty one, guess what they were in

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Speaker 10: the top ten in that explosive play rate. And they

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Speaker 10: just have not been there. And I get the teams

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Speaker 10: have tried to take away the deep ball to Jamar

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Speaker 10: Chase and T Higgins and made sure that they did

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Speaker 10: not get beat on those deep passes. That really what

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Speaker 10: the Bengals thrived on in twenty twenty one. But you

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Speaker 10: still have to find ways to go out and manufacture

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Speaker 10: those plays. I think that's going to be a big

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Speaker 10: point of emphasis. Something will talk to Zach Taylor Andrew

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Speaker 10: Tobin about and Dan Pitcher as well, the Bengals offensive

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Speaker 10: coordinator in Indianapolis next week, is how can they unlock

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Speaker 10: some of these offensive players, because yes, they are being productive,

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Speaker 10: they have the Acholi, they have the numbers, But in

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Speaker 10: terms of those big explosive plays, I think when you

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Speaker 10: look at it, that's what you need to really be

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Speaker 10: successful at a high level, and the Bengals are expecting

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Speaker 10: that given how much they paid their offensive stars.

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Speaker 4: Love it, love talking Bengals. You are all over it.

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Speaker 4: For those listening who want more, tell them how they

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Speaker 4: can follow and read.

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Speaker 10: Yeah on ESPN dot com. Just download the app. We've

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Speaker 10: got a lot of good stuff on there. On Instagram

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Speaker 10: to be baby forty one, I'm all over the place, lants.

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Speaker 10: You gotta adapt with the kids these days.

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Speaker 4: I hear that, Hey you're the man. I know you're busy.

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Speaker 4: I appreciate you making time tonight, of course, thank you,

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Speaker 4: all right, thanks Ben. There you go, BENBABYESPN dot com

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Speaker 4: again tomorrow. I think it's four o'clock the window opens,

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Speaker 4: two week franchise tag window for Trey. If it's tag,

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Speaker 4: he's it. It's one year, thirty point two million dollars

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Speaker 4: still ahead. Let's take it to the hoop around the

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Speaker 4: corner from Red's conversation. We'll go wall to all Reds

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Speaker 4: coming up seven oh five Up next though, you're gonna

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Speaker 4: hear from West Miller. You're gonna hear from Richard Patino.

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Speaker 4: You're gonna hear what Travis Steele has has said he

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Speaker 4: will do if dot dot dot dot dot that and

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Speaker 4: more as we roll on with RNL Carrier Sports Talk

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Speaker 4: presented by Kelsey Chevrolet seven hundred WLW under the basket,

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Speaker 4: two hand dog for Boba Miller. The Bearcats have starred

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Speaker 4: six in a row and have a lead. How about

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Speaker 4: the Bearcats yesterday? Down five at home to Utah with

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Speaker 4: one fifty six to go, they go on a nine

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Speaker 4: to nothing run to close it out. It was closing time.

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Speaker 4: Semisonic the hit song nineteen ninety eight. I was a

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Speaker 4: big fan of that song. Bearcats have won three in

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Speaker 4: a row. They win sixty nine to sixty five to

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Speaker 4: the final fourteen and twelve over all, six and seven

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Speaker 4: in the Big Twelve, Gisel James sicker than a dog,

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Speaker 4: gave him twenty nine minutes. He only scored four points,

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Speaker 4: had one assist, but he was able to give him

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Speaker 4: twenty nine minutes. Here's Wes after the game with Dan

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Speaker 4: and Terry. Thing that we've missed. He finishes like that.

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Speaker 12: That's the thing that we've missed in a lot of

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Speaker 12: these moments, and we found a way tonight.

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Speaker 4: And I am extremely proud of that.

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Speaker 12: That is something and these kids are something for that,

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Speaker 12: because I did not think we played well. Jisell had

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Speaker 12: one hundred and two temperature yesterday and didn't practice. He

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Speaker 12: had white spots all over his throat, and he was

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Speaker 12: not very good tonight. But what a gutsy kid. How

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Speaker 12: many kids in college basketball play when that's going on

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Speaker 12: and he's stunk. I mean, seriously, he's stunk. But it

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Speaker 12: doesn't matter, like he just gave it to us.

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Speaker 4: Bearcats win sixty nine sixty five four in double figures.

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Speaker 4: Mustafa John fifteen points, ten rebounds, four blocks. They outscore

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Speaker 4: Utah in the paint third double them up thirty two sixteen.

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Speaker 4: Next up at Kansas at Kansas Saturday at one o'clock. Meanwhile,

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Speaker 4: the Musketeers win ninety six eighty eight at home against Marquette,

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Speaker 4: upping their record of thirteen and twelve overall, five and

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Speaker 4: nine in the Big East four and double figures. They

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Speaker 4: dish twenty four assists to just eight turnovers. They made

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Speaker 4: thirty one baskets, so they had twenty four assists on

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Speaker 4: thirty one made baskets. They led for thirty eight minutes

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Speaker 4: and forty four seconds in the game. Here's Richard Patino

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Speaker 4: after the game with Joe and Byron.

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Speaker 13: Certainly we gave them some confidence because defensive we weren't

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Speaker 13: very good, but offensively we were phenomenal. Shared the basketball

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Speaker 13: twenty four assists, made sixteen threes, eighteen free throws, which

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Speaker 13: is great.

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Speaker 7: To get to the pre throw line.

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Speaker 13: We out rebounded them too, which I'm really really proud of.

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Speaker 13: Didn't turn the ball over. The two things we did

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Speaker 13: in their building was didn't rebound to turn the ball over,

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Speaker 13: so our on ball defense they really hurt us. But

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Speaker 13: we'll learn from it and happy to get to win.

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Speaker 13: Got to win with defensive rebounding. They listened to one

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Speaker 13: of the two things. We rebounded the ball, but we

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Speaker 13: didn't defend. But you know, I mean offensively, you know,

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Speaker 13: we're really fun to watch offensively, the way that we

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Speaker 13: share the basketball did a lot of good things.

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Speaker 4: Ninety six eighty eight the final over mark. Yet four

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Speaker 4: Musketeers and double figures. They hit sixteen of thirty four threes,

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Speaker 4: sixteen of thirty four, that is forty seven percent. Five

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Speaker 4: Musketeers had at least two three pointers on Saturday. Next

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Speaker 4: up Villanova twenty and five, Villanova eleven and three in

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Speaker 4: the Big East. That is Tomorrow night, six thirty tip

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Speaker 4: coverage starting here at six with Joe and Byron here

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Speaker 4: on seven hundred WLW. Then there's the Miami RedHawks, who

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Speaker 4: on Friday night kept on, keep it on twenty five

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Speaker 4: and oh they roll over Ohio ninety to seventy four.

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Speaker 4: What a performance, what a scene. Before ten thousand, six

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Speaker 4: hundred and forty at Malet, five different RedHawks scored in

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Speaker 4: double figures. Brant Byers had twenty one, Peter Souter, the

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Speaker 4: Pride of Cardinal High School had twenty. The Red and

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Speaker 4: White shot fifty percent or better for the nineteenth time

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Speaker 4: this season. Think about that, nineteen of twenty five games

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Speaker 4: they've shot better than fifty percent from the field. They've

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Speaker 4: now won twenty nine straight at home. They have matched

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Speaker 4: last year's win total of twenty five, So they've got

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Speaker 4: fifty wins in the last year plus. And really cool

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Speaker 4: seeing the game story leading ESPN SportsCenter. After the game finished,

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Speaker 4: they went to Sports Center, that was the lead story.

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Speaker 4: They had Travis on headset from down on the court

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Speaker 4: joining SportsCenter, and Travis was a guest the next morning

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Speaker 4: on ESPN's College Game Day. Listen to the exchange he

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Speaker 4: had with Rhys Davis. Here's Reyes Davis of ESPN talking

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Speaker 4: with Travis Steel.

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Speaker 7: Let's talk about the important thing.

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Speaker 11: How would you assess the impact that the swim team

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Speaker 11: has had.

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Speaker 7: On your club? In the crowd chowing you, that would

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Speaker 7: appear to be distracting to me.

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Speaker 14: I don't know if that's motivation or distraction.

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Speaker 4: How do you feel about this?

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Speaker 3: Well, the first time that happened, I was absolutely shocked,

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Speaker 3: and I told them after the game, we obviously really.

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Speaker 7: Appreciated them doing what they were doing.

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Speaker 12: I told him we'd return the favorite show to one

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Speaker 12: of their meats, but we weren't going to wear the

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Speaker 12: speedos though.

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Speaker 4: Wait, if you finish the season undefeated, win the.

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Speaker 15: MAC Championship, will you commit right now in the celebration

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Speaker 15: in the watch party, dotting the speedo being hoisted up

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Speaker 15: and showing.

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Speaker 4: Off your best do so, would you do it? Travis?

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Speaker 4: Would you commit to that right now?

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Speaker 7: Done?

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Speaker 2: It's done, done.

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Speaker 11: I think we know one of our cameras are going

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Speaker 11: to be.

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Speaker 4: On side some funday. Travis deal with the guys from

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Speaker 4: ESPN on Saturday, part of ESPN's College Game Day the

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Speaker 4: Miami swim team. The guys have been showing up at

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Speaker 4: the home games standing behind the opposing team's basket when

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Speaker 4: they shoot free throws, wearing speedos, making noise and causing distractions,

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Speaker 4: and Travis is in, by the way, shout out to

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Speaker 4: my guy Mark Adams, who was on the call for

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Speaker 4: ESPN on on Friday night, who was crowdsurfing in his

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Speaker 4: bathing trunks as part of the broadcast. Not his speed

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Speaker 4: fortunately for all involved. And as Mark said in a

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Speaker 4: text exchange with me this morning, he said, not bad

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Speaker 4: for a seventy year old guy. It wasn't It wasn't.

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Speaker 4: Good job on Friday night. Good for Miami, good for Oxford,

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Speaker 4: good for college basketball. You know, I've talked with a

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Speaker 4: number of people who were at the game on Friday night.

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Speaker 4: I would have loved to have been there. I was

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Speaker 4: on the air here and was home in time to

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Speaker 4: watch the end of it. And some of the conversations

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Speaker 4: related to me by those who attended the game who

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Speaker 4: had no ties to Miami but wanted to be there.

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Speaker 4: One friend of mine said, Miami is what a college

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Speaker 4: should be. Another friend overheard a conversation in the bookstore

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Speaker 4: earlier that afternoon and a guy said, this is the

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Speaker 4: first time I've been back on campus in fifty two years.

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Speaker 4: I drove from North Carolina to see this game. And

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Speaker 4: another one said, I'll give them credit. Mallett might be old,

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Speaker 4: but their game presentation is outstanding. The music was top notch,

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Speaker 4: and you can't beat free parking. And another said that

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Speaker 4: style of college basketball is the style I enjoyed. They attack,

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Speaker 4: they pass, they shoot. They appear to be having a

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Speaker 4: lot of fun. Miami hits the road for a big one,

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Speaker 4: and it will be a tough one tomorrow night at UMass.

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Speaker 4: Frank Martin and the guys seven o'clock tip tomorrow night.

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Speaker 4: All right, Oh, one final note over the weekend, and

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Speaker 4: it's unrelated to basketball, but did you see what Tys

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Speaker 4: Armstrong did for Baylor over the weekend? I think this

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Speaker 4: was Friday night. Baylor baseball player hit three grand slams.

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Speaker 4: They beat New Mexico State fifteen to two. He became

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Speaker 4: He's a senior first baseman. He had transferred from Texas Arlington.

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Speaker 4: This is their opener at seventeen home runs the previous year.

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Speaker 4: He hits three in his debut for Baylor, three grand slams,

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Speaker 4: four hundred and one foot shot in the third, four

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Speaker 4: hundred and seven foot blast in the fourth, and a

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Speaker 4: three hundred and eighty six foot blast in the seventh.

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Speaker 4: The only other player to do it in the history

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Speaker 4: of college baseball jim La Fountain for Louisville back in

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Speaker 4: nineteen seventy six. He hit two of his three grand

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Speaker 4: one of the books. Wow, just like that. Holy cow,

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Speaker 4: you know what's next. Let's get into some reds. You're

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Speaker 4: gonna hear Tito's messaging for this team. Gordon Wittmeyer, the Inquirer,

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Speaker 4: on the urgency of this team and the impact that

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Speaker 4: the Reds bench in recent years have they given a

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Speaker 4: lot of a batch to guys who did nothing with him.

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Speaker 4: We've got some bench discussion to get to all of

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Speaker 4: that in the second hour. Thanks for being here tonight,

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Speaker 4: let's get into some Reds conversation in this hour Today,

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Speaker 4: first full squad workouts, all present and ready to go,

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Speaker 4: and so much of this is in year two of Tito.

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Speaker 4: What was what was learned last year and can be

661
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Speaker 4: used this year? The thriller victory, the agony of defeat,

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Speaker 4: the popping of champagne, over making the playoffs, first full

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Speaker 4: season playoff appearing since twenty thirteen, the agony of it

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Speaker 4: being over in the blink of an eye, to snap

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Speaker 4: your fingers in too straight to the eventual defending, eventual

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Speaker 4: champion LA Dodgers. So what can be learned and taken

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Speaker 4: from that? And how different is this camp compared to

668
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Speaker 4: last camp? And now Tito knowing guys, and he talked

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Speaker 4: about that last week on Red's Hot Stove, about the

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Speaker 4: differences between last year and this year. Here's the Red Skipper.

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Speaker 16: The biggest difference is I'm not introducing to myself. We're

672
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Speaker 16: getting reacquainted and it's amazing because I've been here a year,

673
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Speaker 16: not ten years. But when guys come through that door, man,

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Speaker 16: it makes your day. You know, you can't help it

675
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Speaker 16: light up. I mean we just did thirty something one

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Speaker 16: on ones today with guys. It's just it's it's so good.

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Speaker 16: We have a good group. Like, do we win as

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Speaker 16: many as we wanted to last year? No, it doesn't

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Speaker 16: take away. They're good kids, man, and they mean well.

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Speaker 16: They give you a good effort and when you talk

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Speaker 16: to them, they listen. The reason we do it for

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Speaker 16: the most part is we don't want any player to

683
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Speaker 16: ever have to assume something and we're on the same side.

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Speaker 16: So we want to see the best of everybody, even

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Speaker 16: guys that don't have a chance to make the club,

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Speaker 16: you know, guys that are young and they're going to

687
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Speaker 16: go to the minor leagues. We still want to see

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Speaker 16: the best of them. We want to have a good

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Speaker 16: camp and we're not trying to fool them, you know.

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Speaker 16: But there are some different messages I think for different people,

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Speaker 16: and one of them is we're relatively still young against

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Speaker 16: maybe some of the teams we're competing against, but you

693
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Speaker 16: know what, we're not too young, and it's time to

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Speaker 16: time to take a step. Where we go we feel

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Speaker 16: like we can go toe to toe, and I think it's.

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Speaker 4: Time time to take a step meetings and messaging. Let's

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Speaker 4: remember the timeline this team in twenty twenty two or

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Speaker 4: in twenty twenty three, with a bunch of young kids

699
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Speaker 4: arriving on the scene throughout the season, McClain and la

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Speaker 4: and guys like that, they came out of nowhere and

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Speaker 4: improved by twenty wins. They went from sixty two to

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Speaker 4: one hundred in twenty twenty two to winning eighty two

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Speaker 4: the next year. They had the biggest improvement in the

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Speaker 4: National League and tied for the largest in baseball from

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Speaker 4: one season and next when they won twenty more. And

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Speaker 4: you know how we felt at the end of that

707
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Speaker 4: twenty twenty three season, they went to the final weekend

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Speaker 4: before they were eliminated in the final Saturday night against

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Speaker 4: the Saint Louis Cardinals from playoff contention. And the guys

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Speaker 4: were young, and they were hungry, and they were aggressive,

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Speaker 4: and they were stealing bases, and you thought, man, they

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Speaker 4: won twenty more than they did the previous year. They

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Speaker 4: win eighty two this year they'll get ninety or more

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Speaker 4: next season. And then next season came along and they

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Speaker 4: dropped back to seventy seven wins, and it was disappointing,

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Speaker 4: and it was at times sloppy, and it cost David

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Speaker 4: Bell's job and in comes Tito Francona, and I think,

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Speaker 4: on one hand, it was fun because it was scoreboard

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Speaker 4: watching and it was a chase all season long. They're dead,

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Speaker 4: They're alive. They're dead, They're alive, They're dead, they're alive.

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Speaker 4: They make the postseason for the first time in a

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Speaker 4: full season since twenty thirteen, and yet they finished third

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Speaker 4: in the division. They finished fourteen games out and they

724
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Speaker 4: only won eighty three games. It's the second fewest wins

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Speaker 4: ever to qualify for the postseason, and eighty three wins

726
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Speaker 4: was only one more then two years earlier, when all

727
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Speaker 4: those young guys were on the scene. They won eighty

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Speaker 4: two then and then last year they only still won

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Speaker 4: eighty three, but thanks to some help from the Mets

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Speaker 4: in their collapse, it was enough to get into the postseason.

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Speaker 4: It's probably not going to be enough to get into

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Speaker 4: the postseason this year. So part of the messaging is

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Speaker 4: that urgency and Gordon Witmeyer, who covered the Reds for

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Speaker 4: the Inquire along with Pat Brennan, was on with Dan

735
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Speaker 4: Carroll and Jason Williams earlier today talking about the turnaround

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Speaker 4: of this and where it is right now. Here's Gordon Windmeyer.

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Speaker 9: In twenty twenty four, when they were coming off that

738
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Speaker 9: surprising run into contention, there was this sense that all

739
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Speaker 9: the young guys were about ready to produce and they

740
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Speaker 9: could ride that wave of youth maybe into the playoffs,

741
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Speaker 9: or at least back into the playoff chase, and then

742
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Speaker 9: we know what direction that went. It got kind of

743
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Speaker 9: sloppy at times, and then eventually the manager was replaced.

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Speaker 9: Going into last year, largely because of the reaction to

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Speaker 9: that season. Replacing the manager with doing some of the

746
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Speaker 9: things they did to the roster, there was a sense

747
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Speaker 9: of urgency like, Okay, we got to get this thing

748
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Speaker 9: back in the right direction, whether it was going to

749
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Speaker 9: go to the playoffs or not. I mean nobody really

750
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Speaker 9: expected that. They just they needed to see the ship

751
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Speaker 9: turn back in the direction it looked like it was headed.

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Speaker 9: In twenty twenty three, that sense of urgency a year

753
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Speaker 9: ago has has evolved into this sense of expectation now

754
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Speaker 9: because they did it, and having francona Hall of Fame

755
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Speaker 9: caliber manager come in and change the tone and the

756
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Speaker 9: culture of the place. Last year he had to. You know,

757
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Speaker 9: it was a It was a work in progress for

758
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Speaker 9: much of last year. Now everybody's on the same page.

759
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Speaker 9: Everybody's coming to camp knowing what to expect. There were

760
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Speaker 9: some carryovers from that core that.

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Speaker 15: Weren't there by the end of the last last season.

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Speaker 9: The guys who are there are going in the same

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Speaker 9: direction as the manager, and that's a big deal. It's

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Speaker 9: especially a big deal to this particular manager.

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Speaker 4: Interesting comments from Gordon Whitmyer earlier today, with again Jason

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Speaker 4: Williams and Dan Cara filling in for Rocky urgency. Two expectations.

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Speaker 4: It's time now. Tyler Stevenson's going to be a free

768
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Speaker 4: agent at the end of this season. Brady Singer is

769
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Speaker 4: going to be a free agent at the end of

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Speaker 4: this season. Matt McClain's got to be better this year

771
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Speaker 4: or then it's a string of missed the final month

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Speaker 4: of his rookie season, missed all of the second season,

773
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Speaker 4: was really bad last season. If he's not good this season,

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Speaker 4: then when And oh, by the way, who knows If

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Speaker 4: and when, if there is, when there will be baseball

776
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Speaker 4: in twenty twenty seven. So the urgency to the expectations,

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Speaker 4: and I think it's fair to say the addition of

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Speaker 4: Auhenio Suarez has ratcheted that up even more. Listen to

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Speaker 4: what Gordon Witmeyer covers the Reds for The Inquirer today

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Speaker 4: said about the acquisition of Swarez in what it means

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Speaker 4: in his mind for the Reds in the National League Central,

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Speaker 4: I think.

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Speaker 9: The Suarez move is the best most impactful move any

784
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Speaker 9: team in the division made as far as its potential

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Speaker 9: ability to impact the outcome.

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Speaker 2: And look, the.

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Speaker 9: Cubs went inside one hundred and seventy five million dollars

788
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Speaker 9: guy eles regnant, and I think this move is bigger

789
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Speaker 9: because of the singular value to this team. They needed

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Speaker 9: a guy in the lineup that was going to play

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Speaker 9: most games, and this guy's been durable in his whole career,

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Speaker 9: and it's going to be a power threat even when

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Speaker 9: he's not hitting well.

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Speaker 2: He needs to be a threat.

795
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Speaker 15: He needs to be a guy.

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Speaker 9: That if you're a pitcher, you're afraid to make a

797
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Speaker 9: mistake to this veteran guy who hit forty nine home

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Speaker 9: runs last year, and that alone is going to get

799
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Speaker 9: a few more fastballs for Ellie dale Cruz, who saw

800
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Speaker 9: more breaking balls than almost anybody in baseball last year.

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Speaker 9: And then not to mention what he'll do just directly

802
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Speaker 9: in terms of raising the run production of this team

803
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Speaker 9: if he does what he's done on average in his

804
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Speaker 9: career last year playing in one of the best hitters

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Speaker 9: ballparks in baseball that not the best, the Reds were

806
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Speaker 9: or below average and run scoring and below average and slugging.

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Speaker 2: So this should raise all those boats.

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Speaker 9: And that when you look at the starting pitching, the

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Speaker 9: improved bullpen, and the improved around the edges defense of

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Speaker 9: this team makes this team look like like a legit

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Speaker 9: playoff team going in that it didn't last year. But

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Speaker 9: not only that team that can how about secure the

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Speaker 9: chance of playing a home playoff game and then maybe

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Speaker 9: actually win a series.

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Speaker 4: Hmmm, Gordon Wentmeyer earlier today now last week when pitchers

816
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Speaker 4: and catchers reported, we did a topic on the starting

817
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Speaker 4: rotation and how we feel about that. We debated the

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Speaker 4: fifth spot and who gets that. Then we talked about

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Speaker 4: the bullpen, the revamped, improved bullpen, and how we feel

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Speaker 4: about that with everybody now in camp I want to

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Speaker 4: get into I want to go to the bottom of

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Speaker 4: the roster. The argument being you're early as good at

823
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Speaker 4: the back end of your roster. You're always trying to

824
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Speaker 4: improve the twenty six, twenty fifth, twenty fourth spot. The

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Speaker 4: Reds have some really interesting questions related to the bench.

826
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Speaker 4: They have three bench spots to fill, with Jose Trevino

827
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Speaker 4: claiming the fourth spot. There are I think it's safe

828
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Speaker 4: to say there are nine candidates to fill the final

829
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Speaker 4: three bench spots. And did they add a guy on

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Speaker 4: Friday who might have an inside track to already claiming

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Speaker 4: one of those three spots. We'll do that next. It's

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Speaker 4: RNL Carrier Sports Talk, presented by Kelsey Chevallet, seven hundred WLW.

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Speaker 4: This is rather interesting and I spent some time this

834
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Speaker 4: morning going back over the Reds bench some of the

835
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Speaker 4: guys they gave it bats to because of injuries, and

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Speaker 4: that goes to depth over the last two, three, four years,

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Speaker 4: and I just shake my head at the groups that

838
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Speaker 4: got at bats. This bench has a chance to be

839
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Speaker 4: rather interested because they have three spots in addition to

840
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Speaker 4: Jose Travino, and they've got nine candidates. I mean, I

841
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Speaker 4: think you could make a case that Nathaniel Lowe, who

842
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Speaker 4: they signed on Friday, would be part of an inside

843
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Speaker 4: track to grab a bench spot. You've got the question

844
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Speaker 4: of who's gonna back up TJ Friedel in center field,

845
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Speaker 4: and maybe that's Dane Meers, who they traded for with

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Speaker 4: the idea of being able to slide Friedol on occasion

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Speaker 4: over to left field. Or I know Blake Dunn impressed

848
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Speaker 4: everybody in the organization with his second half of Triple

849
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Speaker 4: A Louisville, but he hasn't done it on the major

850
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Speaker 4: league level. There's the Will Benson aspect of will he

851
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Speaker 4: or Woontee this season? I wonder if the addition of

852
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Speaker 4: Nathaniel Lowe might mean Will Benson ultimately begins the year

853
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Speaker 4: Triple A Louisville. You have the idea of can Reese,

854
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Speaker 4: Hines or Cees put it together this season? Which JJ

855
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Speaker 4: blood A. Do the Reds get the one in twenty

856
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Speaker 4: twenty four which was really good or the one in

857
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Speaker 4: twenty twenty five who was really bad. Can a guy

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Speaker 4: like Michael Italiotolio bounce back? He doesn't have options, so

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Speaker 4: if you send him down, he's got a clear waivers

860
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Speaker 4: and I think everybody's rooting for Tyler Callahan and can

861
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Speaker 4: he make a comeback. Those are the nine names, but

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00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:06,160
Speaker 4: only three of those nine are gonna make this team

863
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Speaker 4: as bench options. To go with Jose Travino, I would

864
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Speaker 4: think right now, right now, if I had to write

865
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Speaker 4: down four names, I think I'd go with Nathaniel Lowe,

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Speaker 4: Dane Myers, Will Benson or JJ Bloda for the last one.

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Speaker 4: Will Benson or JJ Blade for the last spot. I

868
00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:31,680
Speaker 4: think low does something nobody else on the bench does.

869
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:35,480
Speaker 4: I think Dane Myers is the guy who allows you

870
00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:37,960
Speaker 4: to move freedom out of center field more often, and

871
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:41,759
Speaker 4: that's clearly the reason why they traded for him. And

872
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:46,400
Speaker 4: then is it Will or is it JJ Bleda? And

873
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:50,160
Speaker 4: they gave JJ Blode a million four as their first

874
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:52,680
Speaker 4: free agent signing the offseason, so they had to like

875
00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:55,280
Speaker 4: him to some extent to be the first one, although

876
00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:57,879
Speaker 4: it wasn't for a gazillion dollars, and that would leave

877
00:44:57,920 --> 00:45:00,960
Speaker 4: Will Benson a triple A. Louisville isn't durrance for some

878
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:04,680
Speaker 4: when somebody gets hurt or struggles out of the gate,

879
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:08,520
Speaker 4: and that then that still leaves a triple A. Tyler

880
00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:11,520
Speaker 4: Callahan and Reese, Hines and Cees and guys like that.

881
00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:14,000
Speaker 4: Let's go to the phones. Let's open up some Reds

882
00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:16,840
Speaker 4: conversation at five, one, three, seven, four, nine, seven thousand,

883
00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:19,800
Speaker 4: one eight hundred, the Big One and Anderson we go. Hey, Brian,

884
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:20,919
Speaker 4: welcome to sports Talk.

885
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:23,760
Speaker 15: It's Bryce.

886
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:27,240
Speaker 4: But that's fine. Yes, Hey, hey Bryce.

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00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:27,799
Speaker 11: Yeah.

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00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:30,000
Speaker 17: I really like that we're even having this conversation about

889
00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:32,640
Speaker 17: the Reds bench because we just have puzzed that position

890
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:35,439
Speaker 17: player wise, I mean, not as much on the pitching side,

891
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:37,680
Speaker 17: but this is great that we're having this conversation. I

892
00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:40,239
Speaker 17: really like the names that you threw out there for

893
00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:42,840
Speaker 17: the just the favorite. I know, Josey Traveni is a

894
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:46,000
Speaker 17: lock behind the hitter catcher of Tyler Stevenson. But I

895
00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:49,120
Speaker 17: really like Nathaniel lo great defensive. Yeah, he's had some

896
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:52,360
Speaker 17: experience in this red lineup. I really like JJ Blade

897
00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:55,480
Speaker 17: and uh, I really like Will Benson. And every single

898
00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:57,240
Speaker 17: time the Reds have had a big moment this season,

899
00:45:57,239 --> 00:45:59,120
Speaker 17: I feel like Will Benson is either up at the

900
00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:00,839
Speaker 17: play or has it been on base of this team?

901
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:04,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, it doesn't and for what And I can't explain this.

902
00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:05,839
Speaker 4: There's no rhyme or reason for it, but I looked

903
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:08,600
Speaker 4: up when he started last year, the Reds were seven

904
00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:11,320
Speaker 4: games over five hundred. They went thirty four and twenty

905
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:13,640
Speaker 4: seven with Will Benson in the lineup. I don't know

906
00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:15,920
Speaker 4: what that means, but it's a it's a great stat

907
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:16,680
Speaker 4: for Will Benson.

908
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:20,720
Speaker 17: So he always just has a smile on his face

909
00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:22,920
Speaker 17: when he's playing. He wants everyone to do good.

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00:46:23,080 --> 00:46:23,360
Speaker 4: Yeah.

911
00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:24,799
Speaker 2: I think it's also a.

912
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:27,799
Speaker 17: Vibes thing, and he's just a He's not the best

913
00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:30,360
Speaker 17: ball player. I mean, obviously not the best hitter, but

914
00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:32,839
Speaker 17: he does his job defensively and he's just his job

915
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:35,440
Speaker 17: at big moments. I also like Dan Myers. I mean

916
00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:39,440
Speaker 17: he has a he's a great stat line against lefties.

917
00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:43,400
Speaker 4: Yes, and I think that could be very very useful,

918
00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:46,200
Speaker 4: No doubt that's a great point he's hit in his career.

919
00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:49,560
Speaker 4: He's hit two ninety seven against lefties. They need that.

920
00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:52,080
Speaker 4: And if you can do that as a guy who

921
00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:54,400
Speaker 4: comes off the bench and who can play center field,

922
00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:56,600
Speaker 4: I think there's a spot for Ay on this team's roster.

923
00:46:57,920 --> 00:46:58,120
Speaker 15: Yeah.

924
00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:01,080
Speaker 17: There's so much debt and it's just gonna be so

925
00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:02,960
Speaker 17: fun to watch this Red team next year. I think

926
00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:04,719
Speaker 17: it's really gonna come down to who does the best

927
00:47:04,719 --> 00:47:07,319
Speaker 17: in the springs training. It's just gonna be a great

928
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:09,960
Speaker 17: competition for those next three bench spots.

929
00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:12,320
Speaker 4: Behind Jose agree with you on that. Bryce always go

930
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:13,759
Speaker 4: to hearing from you, Thanks buddy.

931
00:47:14,520 --> 00:47:14,800
Speaker 7: Thank you?

932
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:15,319
Speaker 4: All right?

933
00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:15,640
Speaker 18: Uh?

934
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:19,160
Speaker 4: I mean Low. I look at low from this standpoint.

935
00:47:20,239 --> 00:47:24,240
Speaker 4: He's got left handed pop. He has five major league

936
00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:28,960
Speaker 4: seasons with at least sixteen home runs. He offers power

937
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:33,920
Speaker 4: off the bench that no other bench candidate provides. Nobody

938
00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:38,560
Speaker 4: else I mentioned, Well, maybe you could argue, but let

939
00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:44,480
Speaker 4: me restate that nobody with the proven power in the

940
00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:47,920
Speaker 4: major leagues, because certainly you can argue the power of

941
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:50,279
Speaker 4: Reese Hines or can't argue the power of Reese Hines

942
00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:52,920
Speaker 4: or cs. But Nathaniel low has done it in the

943
00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:55,880
Speaker 4: major Lakes. And I'll give you a stat. I like stats.

944
00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:57,360
Speaker 4: I don't know if you know if I like stats.

945
00:47:58,120 --> 00:48:01,800
Speaker 4: Nathaniel Lowe, who's been a red for what seventy two hours,

946
00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:07,080
Speaker 4: has a career ops plus higher than anybody on this

947
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:11,440
Speaker 4: roster for their major league career. Now ops plus is

948
00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:16,200
Speaker 4: a number one hundred, means you're an average major league performer.

949
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:21,319
Speaker 4: His career ops plus is one sixteen. That means in

950
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:25,560
Speaker 4: the career of Nathaniel low he's been sixteen percent better

951
00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:29,319
Speaker 4: than the league. That's a guy we're talking about, being

952
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:32,680
Speaker 4: a guy off the bench for this team. Nobody else

953
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:35,000
Speaker 4: on this roster in their major league career has an

954
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:41,360
Speaker 4: OPS plus that high. Dan Myers and Blake Done, to

955
00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:45,600
Speaker 4: a lesser extent, are both right handed bats. Meyer hits

956
00:48:45,719 --> 00:48:49,120
Speaker 4: left handers really well. Blake done the second half at

957
00:48:49,160 --> 00:48:53,200
Speaker 4: Louisville last year, hit three forty one, Yeah, three forty

958
00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:56,680
Speaker 4: one the second half last year and had a really

959
00:48:56,760 --> 00:48:59,520
Speaker 4: good season as a whole. But in his time up

960
00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:03,040
Speaker 4: here he's hit a buck fifty one in about ninety

961
00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:05,239
Speaker 4: at bats, and he struck out a lot. I would

962
00:49:05,239 --> 00:49:08,920
Speaker 4: think the reason, one of the big reasons they traded

963
00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:12,040
Speaker 4: for Dane Myers was his ability to hit left handed

964
00:49:12,040 --> 00:49:15,680
Speaker 4: pitching and to play a really good center field on

965
00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:19,839
Speaker 4: days they don't have Friedel there either freedl resting, which

966
00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:23,000
Speaker 4: they want to do, or Freedol and left because Friedel's

967
00:49:23,080 --> 00:49:25,640
Speaker 4: just not the defensive center fielder that Dane Myers is.

968
00:49:25,840 --> 00:49:28,399
Speaker 4: So I think I've just convinced myself that Nathaniel Lowe

969
00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:31,000
Speaker 4: and Dane Myers are two of the bench spots. Jose

970
00:49:31,120 --> 00:49:33,719
Speaker 4: Travino is the third bench spot. And now I've got

971
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:37,880
Speaker 4: one more to pick out from Will Benson re signs cees,

972
00:49:38,120 --> 00:49:42,920
Speaker 4: JJ Bledet, Tyler Callahan and Michael Tolia. It's good thing

973
00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:45,879
Speaker 4: I got another segment planned for this conversation. I'm gonna

974
00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:48,880
Speaker 4: need it after news RNL Carrier Sports Talk presented by

975
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:54,840
Speaker 4: Kelsey Chevallet. Seven hundred WLW RNL Carrier Sports Talk presented

976
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Speaker 4: by Kelsey cheval A. Thirty nine days, nine thirty eight days,

977
00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:02,920
Speaker 4: thirty eight days. What did I say thirty eight days

978
00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:08,640
Speaker 4: to him Red's opening day? I believe wrote it out

979
00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:12,520
Speaker 4: this morning. I thought I wrote down thirty nine. Maybe

980
00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:16,480
Speaker 4: it's actually thirty eight. I wrote down thirty nine of

981
00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:20,160
Speaker 4: my sheep, and it's actually thirty eight days. Uniform numbers

982
00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:23,239
Speaker 4: worn by the Reds number thirty eight. Gary Nolan was

983
00:50:23,360 --> 00:50:27,200
Speaker 4: thirty eight nineteen sixty seven. At the age of nineteen,

984
00:50:27,560 --> 00:50:30,160
Speaker 4: Gary Nolan won fourteen games with a two fifty eight

985
00:50:30,239 --> 00:50:32,520
Speaker 4: erarn run average and threw two hundred and twenty six

986
00:50:32,560 --> 00:50:35,760
Speaker 4: innings as a nineteen year old and won fifteen games

987
00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:38,000
Speaker 4: back to back in the seventy five seventy six Big

988
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:41,760
Speaker 4: Red Machine season. Jay Tibbs was number thirty eight, traded

989
00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:47,000
Speaker 4: to the Mets. Bruce Barani was number thirty eight for

990
00:50:47,040 --> 00:50:49,120
Speaker 4: the Reds. Bruce Branni played on the one hundred and

991
00:50:49,200 --> 00:50:52,360
Speaker 4: one loss team of eighty two. He lost nineteen games

992
00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:55,759
Speaker 4: with an earned run average of three thirty six. Asked

993
00:50:55,840 --> 00:50:58,439
Speaker 4: Mario Soda and Bruce Brenni about how bad that team

994
00:50:58,520 --> 00:51:01,200
Speaker 4: was offensively that Bruce and he had a three thirty

995
00:51:01,239 --> 00:51:04,160
Speaker 4: sixty or a four complete games and a shutout and

996
00:51:04,200 --> 00:51:08,160
Speaker 4: lost eighteen games. Ryan Wagner wore number thirty eight, the

997
00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:11,600
Speaker 4: fourteenth picking the draft in two thousand and three. I

998
00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:13,719
Speaker 4: was at a great American ballpark when he made his

999
00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:18,239
Speaker 4: major league debut the same year, made seventeen appearances after

1000
00:51:18,280 --> 00:51:22,000
Speaker 4: he was drafted one sixty six earned run average, then

1001
00:51:22,040 --> 00:51:25,480
Speaker 4: got traded to the Nationals in that big trade that

1002
00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:29,280
Speaker 4: brought him. Gary Majeski, the Magic Man, who was number

1003
00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:33,759
Speaker 4: thirty eight, and Jose Barrero wore number thirty eight In

1004
00:51:33,880 --> 00:51:37,919
Speaker 4: twenty twenty to twenty twenty three, Jose Barrero, one time

1005
00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:42,520
Speaker 4: Red's top hitting prospect, hit one eighty two. I'll never

1006
00:51:42,520 --> 00:51:44,520
Speaker 4: forget the night he hit the Grand Slam at Fenway

1007
00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:46,400
Speaker 4: Perk in a Reds win, and I thought that was

1008
00:51:46,440 --> 00:51:50,120
Speaker 4: the turning point in Jose Barrero's career, and it never

1009
00:51:50,120 --> 00:51:54,439
Speaker 4: turned out to be the case. So we're talking about

1010
00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:57,920
Speaker 4: the Reds bench and three spots to be taken by

1011
00:51:58,040 --> 00:52:01,959
Speaker 4: nine candidates. Will Benson last year hit the ball harder.

1012
00:52:02,239 --> 00:52:06,120
Speaker 4: Will Benson is a very polarizing figure. There's a lot

1013
00:52:06,120 --> 00:52:09,399
Speaker 4: of people who love Will Benson and there's a lot

1014
00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:12,840
Speaker 4: of people who are done with Will Benson. I like

1015
00:52:12,880 --> 00:52:16,600
Speaker 4: Will Benson. He hit the ball harder than any Red

1016
00:52:16,680 --> 00:52:20,000
Speaker 4: last year. I know ultimately that a quarter will get

1017
00:52:20,040 --> 00:52:22,640
Speaker 4: you a cup of coffee, as they say. He also

1018
00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:26,000
Speaker 4: hit into extremely bad luck last season for a variety

1019
00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:27,600
Speaker 4: of reasons. I could tell you, but it would bore

1020
00:52:27,640 --> 00:52:30,800
Speaker 4: you with the analytics. Ultimately, he hit just two twenty

1021
00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:35,520
Speaker 4: six and in his career in over one thousand at bats,

1022
00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:42,040
Speaker 4: he's hit two twenty four. Reese Hines burst onto the

1023
00:52:42,080 --> 00:52:47,640
Speaker 4: scene and then was exposed. Last season. Reesehines had his

1024
00:52:47,719 --> 00:52:50,840
Speaker 4: best season in the minor leagues. He hit three h

1025
00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:54,000
Speaker 4: two last year with a three point fifty six on base.

1026
00:52:54,160 --> 00:52:56,560
Speaker 4: You know, rees Hines hit twenty five homers and stole

1027
00:52:56,600 --> 00:53:00,600
Speaker 4: twenty one bases last year, but he hasn't been able

1028
00:53:00,640 --> 00:53:03,439
Speaker 4: to hit major league pitching since that first initial run.

1029
00:53:04,080 --> 00:53:06,880
Speaker 4: Ces hasn't been able to stay healthy since his first

1030
00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:10,360
Speaker 4: initial run. As a rookie, JJ Bleda two years ago

1031
00:53:11,080 --> 00:53:17,160
Speaker 4: hit forty doubles twenty homers, and then last year was

1032
00:53:17,200 --> 00:53:19,880
Speaker 4: sent down to the Miners twice and eventually dfaed by

1033
00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:25,759
Speaker 4: the A's Michael Tolia of the Rockies two years ago

1034
00:53:25,840 --> 00:53:28,200
Speaker 4: hit twenty five homers and stole ten bases for the

1035
00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:33,400
Speaker 4: Rockies and last season hit one ninety. And Tyler Callahan

1036
00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:35,520
Speaker 4: when we last saw him, he was diving head first,

1037
00:53:35,560 --> 00:53:38,640
Speaker 4: all out to make a play into the wall, breaks

1038
00:53:38,680 --> 00:53:41,120
Speaker 4: his arm in multiple places, doesn't even get credit for

1039
00:53:41,160 --> 00:53:46,760
Speaker 4: the catch, and just got cleared to return, and everybody's

1040
00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:50,160
Speaker 4: rooting for his comeback. And he can actually play the infield,

1041
00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:53,160
Speaker 4: which nobody else on this roster can do with him

1042
00:53:53,239 --> 00:53:56,560
Speaker 4: right now. The Reds back up second basement addition to

1043
00:53:56,600 --> 00:53:59,480
Speaker 4: South Stewart could be somebody like Tyler Callahan who could

1044
00:53:59,480 --> 00:54:02,200
Speaker 4: also back up at third and also play the outfield.

1045
00:54:02,200 --> 00:54:05,640
Speaker 4: But only three of those nine are gonna make this team.

1046
00:54:06,040 --> 00:54:08,239
Speaker 4: And I think, on one hand, that's very it's a

1047
00:54:08,320 --> 00:54:10,400
Speaker 4: very difficult exercise, do you. On the other hand, it's

1048
00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:13,480
Speaker 4: kind of a nice problem to have. Let's go to

1049
00:54:13,520 --> 00:54:16,959
Speaker 4: the phones in Florence. Hey, Jack, you were on seven

1050
00:54:17,040 --> 00:54:20,319
Speaker 4: hundred WLW. Thank you.

1051
00:54:20,360 --> 00:54:21,480
Speaker 7: I appreciate you taking a call.

1052
00:54:21,560 --> 00:54:23,719
Speaker 6: I want to just put a good word in and

1053
00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:26,279
Speaker 6: I know it's easy to knock it down, but I'm

1054
00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:28,800
Speaker 6: gonna vote for Will Benson to be the one of

1055
00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:30,759
Speaker 6: the last guys on the on the bench. I think

1056
00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:33,520
Speaker 6: the guy has a lot of a lot of character,

1057
00:54:33,719 --> 00:54:35,480
Speaker 6: has a lot of experience. You can bring it off

1058
00:54:35,520 --> 00:54:38,200
Speaker 6: the bench. He's always a good team player. You can

1059
00:54:38,239 --> 00:54:40,799
Speaker 6: put them in the outfield almost anywhere. And the guy

1060
00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:43,040
Speaker 6: is not going to hurt you out there. He's gonna help.

1061
00:54:43,880 --> 00:54:46,280
Speaker 6: Having a left handed batter, you can't go wrong there.

1062
00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:49,160
Speaker 6: But I agree with you. I've got on both sides

1063
00:54:49,200 --> 00:54:51,000
Speaker 6: of this fence. For I've been a big fan. I've

1064
00:54:51,040 --> 00:54:53,880
Speaker 6: not been a fan, but last year when he was

1065
00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:56,000
Speaker 6: sent down to the minor leagues and brought back up

1066
00:54:56,120 --> 00:54:58,760
Speaker 6: and showed the kind of character he has, I became

1067
00:54:58,960 --> 00:54:59,799
Speaker 6: a big, big fan.

1068
00:55:01,080 --> 00:55:05,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, he has handled himself well at every turn, and

1069
00:55:05,120 --> 00:55:08,280
Speaker 4: I think you've laid it out very well and ultimately.

1070
00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:11,600
Speaker 4: I mean, if it is a bottom line business, then

1071
00:55:11,640 --> 00:55:14,359
Speaker 4: we understand the bottom line is he's never really hit.

1072
00:55:14,640 --> 00:55:18,480
Speaker 4: But if we allow for any aspect of like intangibles

1073
00:55:18,560 --> 00:55:22,400
Speaker 4: and and impact on a clubhouse, with the ability to

1074
00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:26,680
Speaker 4: play all three outfield positions, and he's shown flashes of

1075
00:55:26,719 --> 00:55:28,960
Speaker 4: being able to hit, you can make the case for

1076
00:55:29,080 --> 00:55:31,600
Speaker 4: keeping him. But I would understand if they ultimately didn't

1077
00:55:31,640 --> 00:55:33,400
Speaker 4: keep him. So I'm right back to where I was.

1078
00:55:33,480 --> 00:55:34,880
Speaker 4: It's gonna be a tough decision.

1079
00:55:36,360 --> 00:55:37,359
Speaker 7: You're right, You're right.

1080
00:55:38,600 --> 00:55:42,279
Speaker 4: I appreciate you calling, I appreciate you listening. Thank you,

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Speaker 4: have a great night. I mean, I I mean, how

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00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:47,840
Speaker 4: could you not like Will Benson. He's one of the

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00:55:47,920 --> 00:55:52,520
Speaker 4: most like rootable guys. Uh there is And I go back,

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00:55:52,520 --> 00:55:54,399
Speaker 4: and oh, three is a long way to go back,

1085
00:55:54,440 --> 00:55:58,359
Speaker 4: but I I know what he did in three, and

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00:55:58,719 --> 00:56:04,440
Speaker 4: then I know the horrific season in twenty four, and

1087
00:56:04,920 --> 00:56:08,239
Speaker 4: yet he was better last year. But he's still hit

1088
00:56:08,320 --> 00:56:11,360
Speaker 4: two twenty six. So some I would understand some sitting

1089
00:56:11,360 --> 00:56:14,200
Speaker 4: there saying, wait, wait a minute, what are you doing, Lance.

1090
00:56:14,560 --> 00:56:18,840
Speaker 4: You're you're arguing for a roster spot for somebody in

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00:56:18,920 --> 00:56:22,200
Speaker 4: over a thousand Major League plate appearances has hit two

1092
00:56:22,239 --> 00:56:25,200
Speaker 4: twenty four, and you're telling me hit into bad luck.

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00:56:25,680 --> 00:56:28,200
Speaker 4: I mean just saying that. If I were outside listening

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00:56:28,239 --> 00:56:31,719
Speaker 4: to me, I'd be rolling my eyes at me. So

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Speaker 4: I just I don't know that ultimately, and there's a

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Speaker 4: reason they signed JJ Bleda, and I would assume there

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00:56:39,400 --> 00:56:42,000
Speaker 4: was a reason that Will Benson didn't get a whole

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00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:45,480
Speaker 4: lot of playing time in long stretches from like mid

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Speaker 4: August into September. All of that to me would add

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Speaker 4: up to being Will on the outside looking in and

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00:56:51,880 --> 00:56:57,319
Speaker 4: starting the year at triple A unfortunately. And that's that's

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Speaker 4: going into camp. Not the final answer. I'm saying, going

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Speaker 4: in a camp, that's the way it would look. I

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00:57:01,960 --> 00:57:05,239
Speaker 4: would I would defer to any new evidence presented over

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Speaker 4: the course of the next six weeks. Fair Field we go,

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Speaker 4: Hey Handy, how are you good?

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Speaker 5: Lance?

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Speaker 7: How are you today?

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Speaker 4: I'm okay, good talking Reds Baseball, absolutely so.

1110
00:57:15,080 --> 00:57:17,240
Speaker 5: On the Will Benson thing, I one hundred percent agree

1111
00:57:17,280 --> 00:57:19,400
Speaker 5: with you in the last caller, Love the love the guy.

1112
00:57:20,040 --> 00:57:24,200
Speaker 5: But the thing with Benson, he's either really really good

1113
00:57:24,440 --> 00:57:28,600
Speaker 5: or really really bad. Yeah, And it depends you know

1114
00:57:28,840 --> 00:57:30,920
Speaker 5: what day do you want to look at because it's

1115
00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:34,960
Speaker 5: day to day almost with him. So I kind of

1116
00:57:35,000 --> 00:57:37,920
Speaker 5: think that he goes to the miners and Leday starts

1117
00:57:37,960 --> 00:57:40,120
Speaker 5: on the roster and the other three that you mentioned.

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00:57:40,120 --> 00:57:43,440
Speaker 5: I think Lowe's there. I think obviously Trevino and then

1119
00:57:43,520 --> 00:57:45,760
Speaker 5: Dane Myers. I think the key's going to be the

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Speaker 5: other whoever is on the bench, regardless injuries, whoever makes

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00:57:49,560 --> 00:57:53,680
Speaker 5: it that the Reds cannot stick with the guy that's

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00:57:53,720 --> 00:57:56,560
Speaker 5: struggling for long enough to put us in a hole

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Speaker 5: one into May. That seems like the problem over the

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Speaker 5: last couple of years. You don't have that terrible April.

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Speaker 5: How this season look, I don't know the statistics, but

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Speaker 5: it seems like they're always trying to come back on

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00:58:09,680 --> 00:58:12,000
Speaker 5: June first, and then they do, but they're just a

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Speaker 5: little bit short. So maybe we don't stick with if

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Speaker 5: it's blood day and he struggles for ten days, get gone,

1130
00:58:19,360 --> 00:58:21,640
Speaker 5: go down to the miners or DFA, whatever you need

1131
00:58:21,680 --> 00:58:24,320
Speaker 5: to do, and bring up the next guy. Maybe that's

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00:58:24,320 --> 00:58:26,200
Speaker 5: the solution. I'm not sure, but that's kind of where

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00:58:26,240 --> 00:58:28,360
Speaker 5: I was thinking. As regardless who it is, let's not

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Speaker 5: stick with someone struggling and get us in a hole.

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Speaker 4: You're gonna make for some very interesting uh situations and decisions. Andy,

1136
00:58:35,160 --> 00:58:38,520
Speaker 4: good hearing from your thanks. I have a good night.

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00:58:38,560 --> 00:58:41,520
Speaker 4: You know, I did this exercise yesterday and I don't

1138
00:58:41,560 --> 00:58:43,680
Speaker 4: know that it means much other than it was very

1139
00:58:43,720 --> 00:58:46,440
Speaker 4: frustrating to look at and the Reds have been challenged. Look,

1140
00:58:46,480 --> 00:58:48,320
Speaker 4: when you're when you have the payroll you choose to

1141
00:58:48,320 --> 00:58:50,880
Speaker 4: have as the Reds you you you suffer on the

1142
00:58:50,920 --> 00:58:54,320
Speaker 4: back end because you don't have the depth on the

1143
00:58:54,360 --> 00:58:56,360
Speaker 4: back end of your roster. And usually that means you

1144
00:58:56,360 --> 00:58:58,560
Speaker 4: don't have the depth in your minor legs to replace

1145
00:58:58,600 --> 00:59:00,520
Speaker 4: guys when they get hurt. But I'm gonna give you

1146
00:59:00,560 --> 00:59:03,360
Speaker 4: the last three years, and I'm gonna give you a

1147
00:59:03,400 --> 00:59:06,160
Speaker 4: group of five players in each of the last three

1148
00:59:06,240 --> 00:59:11,120
Speaker 4: years who combined got over five hundred bats in those

1149
00:59:11,200 --> 00:59:14,760
Speaker 4: seasons and didn't hit better collectively than two o six.

1150
00:59:15,320 --> 00:59:21,480
Speaker 4: Last year, Espinal Candelario, Connor, Joe Reese, Hines and Garrett

1151
00:59:21,520 --> 00:59:25,960
Speaker 4: Hampson got five hundred and fifteen combined in bats to

1152
00:59:26,040 --> 00:59:31,120
Speaker 4: hit two oh one two years ago. Fairchild, Nick Martini

1153
00:59:31,240 --> 00:59:37,840
Speaker 4: remember him. Jacob Hurdabies, Mike Ford, and Amed Rosario got

1154
00:59:37,880 --> 00:59:41,760
Speaker 4: five hundred and twenty six combined bats to hit one

1155
00:59:41,960 --> 00:59:50,600
Speaker 4: ninety eight and twenty twenty three Fairchild, Barrero, Will Myers,

1156
00:59:50,880 --> 00:59:56,280
Speaker 4: Jason Vossler and TJ. Hopkins got to combine five one

1157
00:59:56,320 --> 01:00:01,840
Speaker 4: hundred and eighty two at bats to hit two oh six,

1158
01:00:03,560 --> 01:00:06,200
Speaker 4: And maybe that point that points to a number of things,

1159
01:00:06,200 --> 01:00:08,360
Speaker 4: but front and center would be man if you could

1160
01:00:08,400 --> 01:00:11,520
Speaker 4: ever stay healthy as a team and didn't have to

1161
01:00:11,560 --> 01:00:14,360
Speaker 4: go to your bench and down below to Louisville to

1162
01:00:14,400 --> 01:00:17,400
Speaker 4: call up guys and give them at bats. I always

1163
01:00:17,640 --> 01:00:19,920
Speaker 4: I remember doing this as a topic, either last year

1164
01:00:19,960 --> 01:00:23,480
Speaker 4: or two years ago, the redistribution of at bats. I said, they.

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Speaker 3: Will never be as bad offensively as they were last

1166
01:00:26,440 --> 01:00:31,000
Speaker 3: year because these seven hundred and eighty two at bats

1167
01:00:31,080 --> 01:00:36,040
Speaker 3: will be redistributed because those guys are gone. And yet

1168
01:00:36,320 --> 01:00:40,560
Speaker 3: there's still a group of guys on this team who

1169
01:00:40,600 --> 01:00:44,440
Speaker 3: really had no business being here but alone being given

1170
01:00:44,480 --> 01:00:48,680
Speaker 3: that many collective at bats that did and did.

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Speaker 4: Nothing with them. I mean, that makes my head hurt

1172
01:00:52,400 --> 01:00:57,000
Speaker 4: looking at those names. I mean, Nick Crawl signed Mike Ford,

1173
01:00:57,560 --> 01:01:00,320
Speaker 4: remembery on like a minor league deal, and he brought

1174
01:01:00,360 --> 01:01:03,760
Speaker 4: him up and then they they released him or what

1175
01:01:03,920 --> 01:01:06,000
Speaker 4: was it they had to keep him. They gave him

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01:01:06,000 --> 01:01:08,640
Speaker 4: a major league deal for a million dollars and then

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01:01:08,760 --> 01:01:11,760
Speaker 4: like three weeks later released him. I'm like, what are

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Speaker 4: we doing.

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Speaker 19: Now?

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01:01:14,240 --> 01:01:16,080
Speaker 4: I'm getting all worked up. And my intent wasn't to

1181
01:01:16,080 --> 01:01:18,080
Speaker 4: get all worked up. It was just to like drop

1182
01:01:18,120 --> 01:01:21,040
Speaker 4: some numbers on you in Mason we go Ken. How

1183
01:01:21,080 --> 01:01:22,800
Speaker 4: are you good?

1184
01:01:22,920 --> 01:01:24,040
Speaker 15: Lance? How are you doing tonight?

1185
01:01:24,200 --> 01:01:26,160
Speaker 4: I'm okay, you got.

1186
01:01:26,200 --> 01:01:29,120
Speaker 15: It's a great topic as an old scout, Lance, the

1187
01:01:29,240 --> 01:01:31,280
Speaker 15: kid that excites me the most on the Reds and

1188
01:01:31,320 --> 01:01:35,280
Speaker 15: you set his problem is staying healthy. The Incnarcion Strand kid.

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01:01:35,360 --> 01:01:38,560
Speaker 15: People forget his first fifty five at bats, he had

1190
01:01:38,600 --> 01:01:42,960
Speaker 15: ten home runs. This kid is gian Carlos Stanton Strong.

1191
01:01:43,040 --> 01:01:45,680
Speaker 15: He's one of the strongest men in baseball. He is

1192
01:01:45,720 --> 01:01:48,600
Speaker 15: the real home run pop they've been begging for. And

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01:01:48,920 --> 01:01:51,200
Speaker 15: as you mentioned, Lance, the trick with this kid is

1194
01:01:51,280 --> 01:01:52,200
Speaker 15: just staying healthy.

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01:01:53,160 --> 01:01:53,360
Speaker 7: Yeah.

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01:01:53,440 --> 01:01:54,480
Speaker 15: He seems like each.

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01:01:54,280 --> 01:01:56,960
Speaker 4: Time, each time he got us excited, that it was

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01:01:57,000 --> 01:01:59,560
Speaker 4: the hand or it was the hamstring or something, and

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01:01:59,600 --> 01:02:00,720
Speaker 4: then we excited.

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01:02:02,000 --> 01:02:06,080
Speaker 15: This kid has got real forty home run potential, I mean,

1201
01:02:06,600 --> 01:02:08,640
Speaker 15: and he would be the perfect kid off the bench

1202
01:02:08,680 --> 01:02:11,280
Speaker 15: when you need a home run. You know, if the

1203
01:02:11,360 --> 01:02:14,120
Speaker 15: tricks he can stay healthy and the other thing, Lance,

1204
01:02:14,120 --> 01:02:15,960
Speaker 15: I want to mention to you as a scout, Lowe

1205
01:02:16,000 --> 01:02:18,480
Speaker 15: is not coming to Cincinnati to be a bench player.

1206
01:02:19,200 --> 01:02:22,640
Speaker 15: I guarantee you he's not coming to Cincinnati. He could

1207
01:02:22,640 --> 01:02:25,000
Speaker 15: go anywhere in baseball to be a bench player.

1208
01:02:25,560 --> 01:02:28,200
Speaker 4: Well, now, remember he came here on a minor league deal.

1209
01:02:28,200 --> 01:02:29,960
Speaker 4: I would agree he didn't come here to be a

1210
01:02:30,000 --> 01:02:32,400
Speaker 4: minor leaguer. But they don't have a starting spot for him.

1211
01:02:32,400 --> 01:02:33,880
Speaker 4: He let you're benching sal Stewart.

1212
01:02:34,880 --> 01:02:37,200
Speaker 15: I think he's going to push his way into first base.

1213
01:02:37,720 --> 01:02:39,040
Speaker 15: The kid has never set.

1214
01:02:38,840 --> 01:02:39,360
Speaker 7: On the bench.

1215
01:02:39,520 --> 01:02:41,520
Speaker 15: I mean, he played for the Rangers when they won

1216
01:02:41,560 --> 01:02:44,760
Speaker 15: the World Series three years ago. I mean, I guarantee

1217
01:02:44,760 --> 01:02:47,200
Speaker 15: you he's not going to Cincinnati. Went to Cincinnati because

1218
01:02:47,240 --> 01:02:48,240
Speaker 15: he thinks he can start.

1219
01:02:48,400 --> 01:02:50,320
Speaker 4: Well, let me ask you this as a as an

1220
01:02:50,360 --> 01:02:54,040
Speaker 4: old scout, would you sit your top hitting prospect in

1221
01:02:54,080 --> 01:03:00,520
Speaker 4: the entire organization in salth Stewart for Nathaniel low If.

1222
01:03:00,480 --> 01:03:03,520
Speaker 15: Nathaniel Lowe's on his game in a heartbeat, Lance, wow,

1223
01:03:03,600 --> 01:03:06,760
Speaker 15: you know you can always Now we've talked about McClain

1224
01:03:06,880 --> 01:03:10,480
Speaker 15: many times. You know McClain can be replaced at second

1225
01:03:10,480 --> 01:03:13,960
Speaker 15: base by south Stewart. You know there's a lot of

1226
01:03:14,000 --> 01:03:16,880
Speaker 15: moving pieces, and I think Nick Kral brought you know,

1227
01:03:17,320 --> 01:03:19,640
Speaker 15: low to the Reds with thoughts in mind.

1228
01:03:19,680 --> 01:03:20,120
Speaker 7: I don't think.

1229
01:03:20,280 --> 01:03:23,040
Speaker 4: Well, now, let's remember remember this wasn't the first move

1230
01:03:23,080 --> 01:03:25,480
Speaker 4: the Reds made. This was the last one. And Nathaniel

1231
01:03:25,480 --> 01:03:27,400
Speaker 4: Lowe was without a job until Friday.

1232
01:03:27,600 --> 01:03:31,560
Speaker 15: So I mean, I you're right on everything you're saying.

1233
01:03:31,840 --> 01:03:34,120
Speaker 15: I'm saying in that kid's mind, he's not coming to

1234
01:03:34,120 --> 01:03:37,080
Speaker 15: be a bench player, you know. And I think Francona

1235
01:03:37,160 --> 01:03:40,040
Speaker 15: is only going to deal with McClain so long if

1236
01:03:40,080 --> 01:03:42,480
Speaker 15: he's still struggling in May. I think the Reds are

1237
01:03:42,520 --> 01:03:45,520
Speaker 15: making a move. I mean, south Stewart can play second,

1238
01:03:46,880 --> 01:03:49,160
Speaker 15: Steer can play second. They got a couple of people

1239
01:03:49,320 --> 01:03:50,080
Speaker 15: can play second.

1240
01:03:50,200 --> 01:03:51,960
Speaker 4: I think that's the I think you've laid out. The

1241
01:03:52,000 --> 01:03:55,360
Speaker 4: scenario of the question is how long is the leash

1242
01:03:55,400 --> 01:03:58,000
Speaker 4: for Matt McClain after the struggles of the last season.

1243
01:03:58,040 --> 01:04:00,560
Speaker 4: And Tito has freely admitted he was very he's stubborn

1244
01:04:00,640 --> 01:04:02,560
Speaker 4: with him because he believes in him. Well, it's what,

1245
01:04:02,760 --> 01:04:04,040
Speaker 4: as you know, it's one thing to believe in a

1246
01:04:04,040 --> 01:04:06,240
Speaker 4: guy over one hundred and sixty two games, but fool

1247
01:04:06,320 --> 01:04:08,200
Speaker 4: me once you know shame. I mean forol Me twice.

1248
01:04:08,240 --> 01:04:10,480
Speaker 4: You know, he's how deep can you go if the

1249
01:04:10,520 --> 01:04:13,880
Speaker 4: struggles would continue into the twenty twenty six season, that

1250
01:04:13,880 --> 01:04:16,160
Speaker 4: that's going to be uh and and as you lay out,

1251
01:04:16,160 --> 01:04:19,080
Speaker 4: they certainly got points they can pivot to with other options,

1252
01:04:19,080 --> 01:04:21,479
Speaker 4: so it'll be interesting, LANs.

1253
01:04:21,560 --> 01:04:23,080
Speaker 15: So one other thing I want to bring to you

1254
01:04:23,280 --> 01:04:27,120
Speaker 15: Edwin Arroyo. You know, I've been you know, talking him

1255
01:04:27,200 --> 01:04:30,080
Speaker 15: up for six months. He's starting his shortstop for Puerto

1256
01:04:30,160 --> 01:04:33,400
Speaker 15: Rico in the World Baseball Classic, yep, you know, and

1257
01:04:33,920 --> 01:04:37,320
Speaker 15: last year collectively he hit around two seventy five.

1258
01:04:37,480 --> 01:04:39,080
Speaker 4: Coming back from the shoulder surgery.

1259
01:04:39,200 --> 01:04:42,920
Speaker 15: Yeah, he is the best defensive short stuff I've ever

1260
01:04:42,960 --> 01:04:46,040
Speaker 15: seen in the minor leagues. I've said that repeatedly to you,

1261
01:04:46,080 --> 01:04:49,520
Speaker 15: and I don't understand. You brought it up last night

1262
01:04:49,640 --> 01:04:52,000
Speaker 15: about the possibility of Eli going to the outfield.

1263
01:04:52,440 --> 01:04:55,080
Speaker 4: Bro No, No, that wasn't me, because Eli's not going

1264
01:04:55,120 --> 01:04:55,800
Speaker 4: to the outfield.

1265
01:04:56,640 --> 01:04:59,240
Speaker 15: No, He's not going, And I think that's a giant mistake.

1266
01:04:59,680 --> 01:05:02,520
Speaker 15: He's not a major league shortstop, you know, the player.

1267
01:05:02,640 --> 01:05:06,680
Speaker 4: But I don't know how anybody would know that at

1268
01:05:06,720 --> 01:05:10,440
Speaker 4: age twenty four, because by that philosophy then Barry Larkin

1269
01:05:10,560 --> 01:05:13,600
Speaker 4: wasn't a major league shortstop, nor was Dave Concepcion, nor

1270
01:05:13,640 --> 01:05:16,000
Speaker 4: was Derrek Jeter. And I don't know why people.

1271
01:05:16,040 --> 01:05:18,919
Speaker 15: Keeping Mary Larkin is the best shortstop of all time.

1272
01:05:19,320 --> 01:05:22,040
Speaker 4: But he had he had more eras than Ellie at

1273
01:05:22,040 --> 01:05:24,840
Speaker 4: this age, and nobody was saying move him, move him.

1274
01:05:25,440 --> 01:05:29,000
Speaker 15: The problem lands with Ellie. He is too big, his

1275
01:05:29,240 --> 01:05:33,040
Speaker 15: levers are too long. That's the problem. All the throws

1276
01:05:33,080 --> 01:05:35,440
Speaker 15: he puts in the third and fourth row in the stands,

1277
01:05:35,840 --> 01:05:37,560
Speaker 15: it's just because hard I would I.

1278
01:05:37,520 --> 01:05:41,320
Speaker 4: Would say this, I want to see Ellie healthy, not

1279
01:05:41,640 --> 01:05:46,040
Speaker 4: quad compromised, how he plays shortstop this season. And then

1280
01:05:46,120 --> 01:05:48,280
Speaker 4: I would imagine if he doesn't play it, well, we'll

1281
01:05:48,320 --> 01:05:50,600
Speaker 4: be having this conversation a year from now. Ken, I

1282
01:05:50,600 --> 01:05:52,720
Speaker 4: gotta run him way late. Always go to hear him

1283
01:05:52,720 --> 01:05:52,960
Speaker 4: from you.

1284
01:05:53,840 --> 01:05:55,680
Speaker 7: I get you too, Land, all right, take the time.

1285
01:05:55,560 --> 01:05:58,440
Speaker 4: Out of continue heading towards eight o'clock. Already, wow R

1286
01:05:58,480 --> 01:06:01,240
Speaker 4: now carryer Sports Talk present Abody Kill Chevrolet seven hundred

1287
01:06:01,320 --> 01:06:06,960
Speaker 4: WLW closing in on eight o'clock at your news in

1288
01:06:07,000 --> 01:06:12,080
Speaker 4: about three minutes. Three minutes Terry Francona telling the beat

1289
01:06:12,080 --> 01:06:15,480
Speaker 4: writers Charlie Goldsmith and others that salth Stewart is mostly

1290
01:06:15,520 --> 01:06:20,360
Speaker 4: going to play first and second this spring, less third base.

1291
01:06:21,040 --> 01:06:23,360
Speaker 4: Matt McClain, of course, the second basement. Sal Stewart a

1292
01:06:23,480 --> 01:06:26,160
Speaker 4: candidate to play second on days where Matt is off

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Speaker 4: or Ellie is off and Matt slides over to short.

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Speaker 4: Pat Kelly the Red tripa manager telling Terry Francona the

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Speaker 4: second base might be Stuart's best position. JJ Cooper of

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Speaker 4: Baseball America weighed in today, saying makes sense to take

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Speaker 4: third off his plate because of players who appeared at

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Speaker 4: third last year South Stuart's arm was the worst of

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Speaker 4: anybody in the majors last year and just doesn't envision

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Speaker 4: him being a third baseman to any serviceable extent. Also,

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Speaker 4: Eli tested the quad, tested it great. Felt good to go.

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Speaker 4: Tyler Callahan cleared from the injury suffered a year ago.

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Speaker 4: That from Charlie Goldsmith on X Let's go back to

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Speaker 4: the phones in Miami's Burg. Hey, Barry, welcome to sports Talk.

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Speaker 20: Hey how's it going, sir?

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Speaker 4: I'm good? How about you?

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Speaker 7: Pretty good? Last year?

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Speaker 20: After the season, I gave you a call and ask

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Speaker 20: you how many one run games.

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Speaker 4: Did the Reds Blues?

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Speaker 20: They were many one to zero or two to one, whatever.

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Speaker 4: Yes, they were twenty two and twenty two. They were

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Speaker 4: dead even one as many as they lost.

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Speaker 20: Okay, if they were to win five or ten more

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Speaker 20: of those games, do you think they have the ability

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Speaker 20: to do that this year barring some kind of disastrous illness.

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Speaker 4: Adding Suarez certainly helps with a thumper in the lineup, Yeah,

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Speaker 4: I would think so. I mean, in the end, the

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Speaker 4: Dodgers last year only went twenty five and twenty four

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Speaker 4: in one run games. I mean, if you if you're

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Speaker 4: right around the break even point, the Reds were disastrous

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Speaker 4: two years ago, but twenty two and twenty two is

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Speaker 4: not bad.

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Speaker 20: It seems to me that.

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Speaker 15: You know they can't.

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Speaker 20: They went to the playoffs, and yeah, that's the whole

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Speaker 20: different issue, don't get me wrong. Well, if they win

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Speaker 20: five to ten more of those one run games, things

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Speaker 20: will be a lot better.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, let's see, if they win five more,

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Speaker 4: that means they're twenty seven and seventeen. Sure, I mean,

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Speaker 4: they just think five more wins would have put them

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Speaker 4: in eighty eight last year. There you go. I have hope.

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Speaker 4: I do too. I can't and I can't wait till

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Speaker 4: opening date. Barry. Thank you have a nice stay there.

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Speaker 4: You as you as well.

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Speaker 19: Man.

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Speaker 4: That's two hours done. I kind of feel like we're

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Speaker 4: going to roll some rets conversation over a little bit

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Speaker 4: more Read's conversation. Maybe I've got something I've been wanting

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Speaker 4: to talk about. I think I'll present and so much

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Speaker 4: more to get to. Let's check news. RNL Carrier Sports

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Speaker 4: Talk presented by Kelsey Chevrolet, seven hund WLW.

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Speaker 4: All right, we are up and running for a third

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Speaker 4: and final hour tonight, eight oh six, seven hundred WLW

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Speaker 4: It means a lot. You've chosen to spend part of

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Speaker 4: of tomorrow's window that opens for the franchise tag and

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Speaker 4: if it makes sense for the Bengals to franchise tag.

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Speaker 4: Trey Hendrickson got into some Reds conversation. I'm gonna roll

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Speaker 4: that over a little bit longer in this hour as well.

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Speaker 4: Thank you for tuning in. I'm Lance mcavois, Jerry, your host,

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Speaker 4: Russ Jackson, the producer. Thank you as always for being

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Speaker 4: a couple of things. Let's grab some calls in. I

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Speaker 4: heard Marty say something of interest with Tom this morning

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Speaker 4: for Mondays with Marty a segment with his son Tom

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Speaker 4: Brenneman here on seven hundred OLT. Hope you get to

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Speaker 4: that in a second. But let's get to some more

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Speaker 4: Reds conversation in Mount Carmel. Hey Mel, welcome to sports Talk.

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Speaker 11: Hey Lance, couldn't this. I couldn't talk to you, toy. Hey,

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Speaker 11: I worry about your man. When you the veins won't

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Speaker 11: pop out of your head, You're gonna in the.

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Speaker 7: Cardiac hem it with men? Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Wait, wait, wait, I gotta settle down. I need you.

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Speaker 4: I'm glad you call. You can settle me down.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, that s mellow out a little bit. I want

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Speaker 11: to speak to about Will Benson. Yes, a lot of

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Speaker 11: people made some really really good points on you know,

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Speaker 11: his up and down tenure with the Reds, but I

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Speaker 11: saw the potential and I'm agreeing with you. Something that

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Speaker 11: really stood out to me last year he did a

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Speaker 11: lot of work with Eric with Eric the Red on

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Speaker 11: hitting and his hitting. He was hitting bombs rockets. Yes,

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Speaker 11: he hid into bad luck, but uh, that's what baseball is.

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Speaker 11: I mean, three out of ten.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know it's funny because I told him at

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Speaker 4: Redsfest when he sat down, I said, I don't know

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Speaker 4: if I ever recall a player who hit the ball

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Speaker 4: as hard as as you did and seemed to always

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Speaker 4: find a mint. It was maddening, and I don't know

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Speaker 4: he he dealt with it. Had to drive him crazy.

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Speaker 11: Oh absolutely, And that's why you know he's I'm rooting

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Speaker 11: for him to be one of them that's staying with

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Speaker 11: the club instead of going to Louisville, because I think

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Speaker 11: he needs the encouragement. I think Eric did some great job,

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Speaker 11: a great job with him, and I think there's a

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Speaker 11: bust out coming in there. And true, it's it's it's

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Speaker 11: they got a quandary. They got a lot of people

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Speaker 11: a few spaces.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 11: The gentleman that called the old scout, he made some

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Speaker 11: really good he made some great points and he was

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Speaker 11: he was talking about Cees and yes, that's right. But

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Speaker 11: you know what, Matt and Cees could be tremendous bargaining

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Speaker 11: chips if you want to strengthen your team, because there'sn't

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Speaker 11: there's enough potential right there to move on sort of

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Speaker 11: without him. I mean, you dangle a guy.

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Speaker 7: Like Cees out there and what he could do.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, somebody might crucify in the future, but you the uh,

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Speaker 11: it's right now, the old Georgia Allen thing. He wants

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Speaker 11: to win, now.

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Speaker 4: That's right, that's right, absolutely.

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Speaker 11: And there's not much time in Cincinnati left.

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Speaker 7: I don't think with I think a lot of the.

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Speaker 11: People's patients are thin, putting it mildly. So that was

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Speaker 11: about what was on my my brain tonight.

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Speaker 4: Well, I'm glad you called, and I look forward to

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Speaker 4: our next conversation.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, take it easy too, I try to me. I

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Speaker 11: come on glued, but I can do it by myself.

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Speaker 4: All right, thank you, sir. All right, take care. Yes,

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Speaker 4: I get I have a tendancity. You're a little wound up.

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Speaker 7: I uh.

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Speaker 4: I always say I should do this show one night

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Speaker 4: with a live hook up to my pacemaker and broadcast

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Speaker 4: it so you could see the uh, the waves of

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Speaker 4: the of the pacemaker about Oh, Marty here in a second,

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Speaker 4: what he said this morning? Let me talk some more

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Speaker 4: Reds and Ken. Would Hey, Ken, welcome to sports Talk.

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Speaker 18: Hey, thanks for having me.

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Speaker 7: Lam.

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Speaker 4: What's on your mind?

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Speaker 18: Well, I guess to the point of the last caller,

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Speaker 18: my patience is kind of wearing a little bit.

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Speaker 2: Sin.

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Speaker 18: I mean, I'm excited for the moves as they've made,

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Speaker 18: but I think when I really dialed down, like adding

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Speaker 18: and subtracting what they've done, it just seems like the

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Speaker 18: same thing that they keep doing, where they kind of

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Speaker 18: manipulate us in believing that we've got all the pieces

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Speaker 18: when the piece has barely got us to where we

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Speaker 18: thought we would be.

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Speaker 7: I'm just concerned.

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Speaker 18: I don't know, can you give me any light at

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Speaker 18: the end of the tone.

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Speaker 4: That that is that that's fair because they they won

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Speaker 4: eighty three and that was barely enough, and it's got

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Speaker 4: to be better this year. I think I think what

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Speaker 4: they they would say, or what the optimist would say,

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Speaker 4: and that's me. They for the first time on the

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Speaker 4: question not sure sure, for the first time in three

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Speaker 4: off seasons, they got a legitimate power threat to stick

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Speaker 4: in the lineup in Suarez. I think that'll make a difference.

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Speaker 4: They made the bullpen better, but the rest of it's

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Speaker 4: going to be the young guys are going to have

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Speaker 4: to take a step forward. Spencer Steer's gotta and he's

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Speaker 4: not even really young anymore. He's got to be better

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Speaker 4: this year. Matt McClain has certainly got to be better.

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Speaker 4: Ellie's got to be better. If that happens. We're talking,

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Speaker 4: but I've just reeled off a number of names who

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Speaker 4: have to be better, and that's uh, it's rare that

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Speaker 4: all things happen at the same time.

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Speaker 18: And that's what's concerning to me is that, you know,

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Speaker 18: we talk about Benson.

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Speaker 7: I love the guy.

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Speaker 18: I think we all do, but we've been Stuon said

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Speaker 18: this kind of goofiness for over a decade of guys

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Speaker 18: like him that we're supposed to like, and we're supposed

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Speaker 18: to enjoy, but it's because the team doesn't have to

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Speaker 18: pay anything and we just hope that he comes through.

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Speaker 18: Even like in Karnossi and Strand, he's a great guy,

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Speaker 18: you know, he's seems like a solid ballplayer, but right

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Speaker 18: now things aren't working for him. And you know, this

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Speaker 18: organization just makes us believe that we're going to sit

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Speaker 18: there and we're gonna accept that and we're going to

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Speaker 18: hope and pray for them to develop instead of actually

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Speaker 18: making deals to get guys that are, you know, working

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Speaker 18: themselves through it.

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Speaker 7: I just don't get it.

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Speaker 18: I don't understand when they finally admit that whatever they're

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Speaker 18: working towards as far as drafts and and the development,

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Speaker 18: it doesn't seem to procure itself on the major league level.

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Speaker 4: I think that. I think the counter would be it

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Speaker 4: has with Nicolo Dolo and Hunter Green and Andrew Rabbit,

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Speaker 4: and it appears to be on the right track with

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Speaker 4: Chase Burns and Rhet Louder. And yet they all.

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Speaker 18: Those guys draft picks versus the guys that they wasted

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Speaker 18: all of their capital on trades like Cees and everything else.

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Speaker 4: So I think drafts, I see, I see, I see

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Speaker 4: what you're saying, yeah, I mean the group that they

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Speaker 4: brought in trade wise, Edwin Arroyo is still at double A.

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Speaker 4: You'll play a triple A. This year's cees has been hurt,

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Speaker 4: a lot of swing and miss there just haven't been

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01:16:58,720 --> 01:17:01,880
Speaker 4: there haven't been those type. Spencer Steer was part of

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Speaker 4: all those those trades at the deadline a couple of

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Speaker 4: years ago. He's been he's been good. Needs to be better.

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Speaker 8: Right.

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Speaker 18: The more Francona brings in is the better for our

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01:17:10,800 --> 01:17:13,280
Speaker 18: team because he's the one who's supposed to be developed,

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Speaker 18: developing this whole culture. So the more that you see

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Speaker 18: him bringing even those guys that he brought in the

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Speaker 18: trade deadline, that aren't there anymore, like Lettel, that.

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Speaker 7: Was all I mean, let's let's.

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Speaker 4: Be but yeah, but let's be clear, but those aren't

1506
01:17:26,040 --> 01:17:28,519
Speaker 4: Those aren't Tito trades. Those are Nick Krawl. I mean,

1507
01:17:28,560 --> 01:17:31,639
Speaker 4: give give Nick Krawl and Brad Mehta credit. They those

1508
01:17:31,680 --> 01:17:34,000
Speaker 4: are their trades. Tito's not making trades.

1509
01:17:34,960 --> 01:17:35,799
Speaker 7: Well, you don't.

1510
01:17:35,600 --> 01:17:37,479
Speaker 18: Believe that that had anything to do with what he

1511
01:17:37,560 --> 01:17:39,160
Speaker 18: saw the team needed it because I.

1512
01:17:39,160 --> 01:17:41,760
Speaker 4: Believe, correct, I do not. I believe they came to

1513
01:17:41,800 --> 01:17:44,200
Speaker 4: him and said we've got a chance to get zach Ltel.

1514
01:17:44,479 --> 01:17:47,000
Speaker 4: Tito did not say I need zach Ltel.

1515
01:17:47,880 --> 01:17:49,960
Speaker 7: Right right, right, yeah, I get.

1516
01:17:50,160 --> 01:17:52,559
Speaker 18: I just wonder about the management before as to whether

1517
01:17:52,600 --> 01:17:54,719
Speaker 18: they even knew whether they needed him or not, because

1518
01:17:54,760 --> 01:17:58,240
Speaker 18: it seems like Francona again, he understood that these guys

1519
01:17:58,280 --> 01:18:00,680
Speaker 18: would be helpful. You got and new as the guy

1520
01:18:00,880 --> 01:18:03,840
Speaker 18: hits well against lefties, he's a place in peace.

1521
01:18:04,080 --> 01:18:06,759
Speaker 4: Well but but but but again, can I can guarantee

1522
01:18:06,760 --> 01:18:10,000
Speaker 4: you Terry Francona wasn't managing baseball games and went it over,

1523
01:18:10,080 --> 01:18:12,280
Speaker 4: went in and called Nick and said he, I think

1524
01:18:12,320 --> 01:18:15,879
Speaker 4: we could really use a guy like Miguel and Douhar.

1525
01:18:16,120 --> 01:18:17,920
Speaker 4: I mean, that's what the front office does.

1526
01:18:17,960 --> 01:18:21,759
Speaker 18: But he understood how to actually utilize those players because

1527
01:18:21,760 --> 01:18:23,600
Speaker 18: of the management that we've had in the past. But

1528
01:18:23,920 --> 01:18:26,160
Speaker 18: the guy, he was like, they didn't even know how

1529
01:18:26,200 --> 01:18:27,400
Speaker 18: to manage the guys they had.

1530
01:18:28,240 --> 01:18:29,639
Speaker 4: Like who, I don't, I don't know who you're talking

1531
01:18:29,680 --> 01:18:36,720
Speaker 4: about the last two managers that we fired. What players? What?

1532
01:18:36,720 --> 01:18:38,599
Speaker 4: What players are you talking about? I don't, I don't.

1533
01:18:38,600 --> 01:18:40,520
Speaker 4: I'm not sure I understand your point.

1534
01:18:41,200 --> 01:18:43,599
Speaker 18: I don't think that they actually were able to get

1535
01:18:43,640 --> 01:18:48,719
Speaker 18: anybody off of the wire and get anybody that helps

1536
01:18:48,720 --> 01:18:51,080
Speaker 18: them throughout the season at the end of the year.

1537
01:18:51,200 --> 01:18:55,600
Speaker 18: This year when Francona, not that he selected those go hands,

1538
01:18:56,040 --> 01:18:58,880
Speaker 18: but he was able to utilize them because they were

1539
01:18:58,880 --> 01:18:59,720
Speaker 18: brought well.

1540
01:18:59,760 --> 01:19:03,720
Speaker 4: I mean, remember they won. They won eighty three games.

1541
01:19:03,120 --> 01:19:05,439
Speaker 4: Two they won eighty three games. Two years ago they

1542
01:19:05,439 --> 01:19:08,400
Speaker 4: won eighty two. So I'm not sure what the difference

1543
01:19:08,479 --> 01:19:09,240
Speaker 4: is other than one.

1544
01:19:10,560 --> 01:19:12,439
Speaker 18: Well, I think that when you look at a new

1545
01:19:12,520 --> 01:19:17,519
Speaker 18: manager utilizing his talent and understanding everybody and then also

1546
01:19:17,600 --> 01:19:20,559
Speaker 18: bringing in new talent, I mean I was satisfied with

1547
01:19:20,640 --> 01:19:23,800
Speaker 18: this past year with Frankcona. I think it takes time.

1548
01:19:24,479 --> 01:19:26,639
Speaker 18: I just look at it, as you know, some of.

1549
01:19:26,600 --> 01:19:27,919
Speaker 7: These pieces that we've.

1550
01:19:27,720 --> 01:19:32,479
Speaker 18: Had for some time, they're just it's a it's a

1551
01:19:32,520 --> 01:19:34,880
Speaker 18: Disney idea that these guys are going to be great.

1552
01:19:34,920 --> 01:19:37,000
Speaker 18: I mean, we've had a lot of guys that Cozart

1553
01:19:37,280 --> 01:19:39,960
Speaker 18: fined with the Angels and he never accomplished anything else

1554
01:19:40,040 --> 01:19:42,880
Speaker 18: because he had a season like no other with us.

1555
01:19:42,880 --> 01:19:45,920
Speaker 18: He's a great player. But I mean they just they

1556
01:19:45,960 --> 01:19:46,920
Speaker 18: hold out these hopes.

1557
01:19:47,120 --> 01:19:49,760
Speaker 4: Well, but I mean to their credit, that was a

1558
01:19:50,000 --> 01:19:53,200
Speaker 4: that was a regime a go I mean that wasn't

1559
01:19:53,560 --> 01:19:56,280
Speaker 4: Nick Crawl and Brad Metter or Terry Francona. So you're

1560
01:19:56,439 --> 01:19:59,559
Speaker 4: you're going back aways. Let's work on what's happening with

1561
01:19:59,840 --> 01:20:03,479
Speaker 4: the this regime. I mean, and the last thing we

1562
01:20:03,560 --> 01:20:06,120
Speaker 4: saw the regime was they made the playoffs last year.

1563
01:20:06,360 --> 01:20:08,439
Speaker 4: It wasn't enough, but they made the playoffs last year.

1564
01:20:09,280 --> 01:20:11,880
Speaker 18: I look at Regima's ownership and I'm not well.

1565
01:20:11,920 --> 01:20:14,960
Speaker 4: But then we're talking about a twenty six year sample size,

1566
01:20:14,960 --> 01:20:18,120
Speaker 4: and now you're confusing me even further. Can I gotta go?

1567
01:20:18,200 --> 01:20:21,000
Speaker 4: I'm I've enjoyed this. I'm a little bit confused because

1568
01:20:21,080 --> 01:20:23,200
Speaker 4: it feels like you're moving the goalpost everything I try

1569
01:20:23,280 --> 01:20:25,040
Speaker 4: to say to you. So I don't think we're gonna

1570
01:20:25,040 --> 01:20:27,599
Speaker 4: make any ground. I think we agree on this. They've

1571
01:20:27,640 --> 01:20:29,200
Speaker 4: got to be better this year than an eighty three

1572
01:20:29,240 --> 01:20:31,920
Speaker 4: win team, and let's hope. So, but I meant, don't

1573
01:20:31,920 --> 01:20:34,080
Speaker 4: think Terry Francona was going to the front office saying

1574
01:20:34,200 --> 01:20:35,639
Speaker 4: we need to trade for this guy and that guy

1575
01:20:35,640 --> 01:20:38,200
Speaker 4: and that guy. The front office says, hey, we've got

1576
01:20:38,240 --> 01:20:39,880
Speaker 4: we've got a chance to get this guy. What do

1577
01:20:39,920 --> 01:20:42,640
Speaker 4: you think? But Terry's not dictating the trades that are

1578
01:20:42,640 --> 01:20:44,840
Speaker 4: making it the trade deadline. He's he's working with what

1579
01:20:44,880 --> 01:20:48,519
Speaker 4: he's given. Front offices give the manager the players. The

1580
01:20:48,600 --> 01:20:52,519
Speaker 4: player then manages the players when we come back. What

1581
01:20:52,600 --> 01:20:55,120
Speaker 4: Marty said this morning, I may set a record for

1582
01:20:55,120 --> 01:20:57,880
Speaker 4: the number of times teasing something without actually playing it

1583
01:20:58,000 --> 01:20:59,560
Speaker 4: if I don't do it in the next segment. So

1584
01:20:59,640 --> 01:21:02,639
Speaker 4: you'll hear, I promise you. It's our Carrier Sports Doc

1585
01:21:02,800 --> 01:21:09,000
Speaker 4: presented by Kelsey Chevrolet. Seven hundred WLW eight twenty one

1586
01:21:09,160 --> 01:21:13,519
Speaker 4: seven hundred WLWRL Carrier Sports Doc presented by Kelsey Chevrolet.

1587
01:21:13,600 --> 01:21:17,120
Speaker 4: I'm Lance McAllister. By the way, shout out to Cincinnati

1588
01:21:17,200 --> 01:21:20,519
Speaker 4: Children's Hospital. We got great news on Friday. Casey had

1589
01:21:20,600 --> 01:21:26,960
Speaker 4: his his fairly regular battery of test going back to

1590
01:21:27,120 --> 01:21:31,760
Speaker 4: his leukemia diagnosis and bone marrow transplant back in two

1591
01:21:31,800 --> 01:21:34,479
Speaker 4: thousand and three when he was three years old, and

1592
01:21:35,080 --> 01:21:38,320
Speaker 4: came through those latest round of results with flying colors.

1593
01:21:38,320 --> 01:21:40,960
Speaker 4: And he's doing great. He's he's happy, he's healthy. He's

1594
01:21:40,960 --> 01:21:43,200
Speaker 4: going to turn twenty six at the end of this month.

1595
01:21:43,560 --> 01:21:46,400
Speaker 4: But just a shout out to everybody at Children's Hospital,

1596
01:21:46,400 --> 01:21:50,120
Speaker 4: and specifically Mark Mohler, who is his transplant coordinator, who

1597
01:21:50,160 --> 01:21:54,680
Speaker 4: Casey saw on Friday. Mark has been Casey's transplant coordinator

1598
01:21:54,760 --> 01:22:00,519
Speaker 4: for twenty three years, and it was so cool to

1599
01:22:01,320 --> 01:22:05,520
Speaker 4: get him back together again. And Mark has been fantastic,

1600
01:22:05,520 --> 01:22:08,559
Speaker 4: and everybody at Cincinnati Children's has been fantastic. I will

1601
01:22:08,600 --> 01:22:13,479
Speaker 4: never forget when when Casey was first diagnosed with AML,

1602
01:22:14,880 --> 01:22:19,519
Speaker 4: a friend said, no one wants their ever wants their

1603
01:22:20,040 --> 01:22:23,760
Speaker 4: child to be hospitalized, but if you ever have to

1604
01:22:23,840 --> 01:22:27,320
Speaker 4: have your child hospitalized, there is no better place to

1605
01:22:27,320 --> 01:22:31,640
Speaker 4: be than Cincinnati Children's and I can vouch for that

1606
01:22:33,760 --> 01:22:37,320
Speaker 4: through our experiences there over the last twenty three plus years.

1607
01:22:37,320 --> 01:22:40,920
Speaker 4: But to u to have Casey and Mark reunited again

1608
01:22:40,960 --> 01:22:44,799
Speaker 4: for this round of testing and the echo and everything

1609
01:22:44,840 --> 01:22:48,559
Speaker 4: that was done just kind of amazing that twenty three

1610
01:22:48,640 --> 01:22:52,800
Speaker 4: years he has been his coordinator through all of this,

1611
01:22:52,920 --> 01:22:55,080
Speaker 4: and we are we are very blessed, and we are

1612
01:22:55,200 --> 01:22:58,479
Speaker 4: very thankful for those results, and for Mark and everybody

1613
01:22:58,520 --> 01:23:01,400
Speaker 4: at Cincinnati Children's Hospital, and for those who have kept

1614
01:23:01,479 --> 01:23:05,120
Speaker 4: Casey and our family and their prayers over the years.

1615
01:23:05,160 --> 01:23:08,800
Speaker 4: So thank you for that. I was having my first

1616
01:23:08,800 --> 01:23:10,960
Speaker 4: cup of coffee this morning in my office at home,

1617
01:23:11,080 --> 01:23:14,240
Speaker 4: listening to Mondays with Marty Tom Bredeman five am to

1618
01:23:14,320 --> 01:23:17,599
Speaker 4: nine am here on seven hundred WLW every Monday morning

1619
01:23:17,600 --> 01:23:20,320
Speaker 4: at eight thirty does a segment with his dad. They

1620
01:23:20,320 --> 01:23:24,160
Speaker 4: talked about a variety of subject matters, including spring training

1621
01:23:24,840 --> 01:23:28,920
Speaker 4: and Goodyear, and Tom brought up to Marty, you know,

1622
01:23:29,120 --> 01:23:34,120
Speaker 4: is hard to believe this is the seventeenth spring training

1623
01:23:34,400 --> 01:23:38,400
Speaker 4: for the Cincinnati Reads in Goodyear. He asked Marty about

1624
01:23:38,439 --> 01:23:42,880
Speaker 4: the Goodyear experience from the start and how it's unfolded there.

1625
01:23:42,920 --> 01:23:44,080
Speaker 4: Here's what Marty had to say.

1626
01:23:44,680 --> 01:23:48,599
Speaker 11: Up until we moved out there seventeen years ago, all

1627
01:23:48,640 --> 01:23:52,559
Speaker 11: I knew was Tampa Plant City in Sarasota, and when

1628
01:23:52,600 --> 01:23:55,120
Speaker 11: the announcement was made that they were going to move

1629
01:23:55,160 --> 01:23:59,759
Speaker 11: to Arizona, I went out there kicking his screening because

1630
01:23:59,800 --> 01:24:00,479
Speaker 11: I had no.

1631
01:24:00,760 --> 01:24:03,519
Speaker 7: Desire to go out there. For years, I've heard.

1632
01:24:03,280 --> 01:24:05,720
Speaker 11: And I'm sure you did too, but you probably saw

1633
01:24:05,800 --> 01:24:08,200
Speaker 11: first hand knowledge of it longer than I did when

1634
01:24:08,240 --> 01:24:10,720
Speaker 11: you worked at Arizona that if you're going to be

1635
01:24:10,760 --> 01:24:12,840
Speaker 11: involved in baseball, it's the best place to train.

1636
01:24:13,479 --> 01:24:15,720
Speaker 7: I had no knowledge of that or experience, so.

1637
01:24:15,680 --> 01:24:17,519
Speaker 11: I didn't buy it. Then we went out there. In

1638
01:24:17,560 --> 01:24:19,080
Speaker 11: the last couple of days, who were.

1639
01:24:18,920 --> 01:24:21,400
Speaker 7: There at first sprang Some city fathers.

1640
01:24:20,960 --> 01:24:23,800
Speaker 11: Came up to the radio booth and you said, you're

1641
01:24:23,840 --> 01:24:25,400
Speaker 11: the longest employee here.

1642
01:24:25,680 --> 01:24:28,080
Speaker 7: We're interested in what you thought. And I told them

1643
01:24:28,240 --> 01:24:29,679
Speaker 7: that you're right. People are right.

1644
01:24:29,800 --> 01:24:32,040
Speaker 11: This is the best place to train if you're involved

1645
01:24:32,080 --> 01:24:33,760
Speaker 11: in baseball in any capacity.

1646
01:24:34,760 --> 01:24:36,639
Speaker 7: I think it's spectacular. I really do.

1647
01:24:36,960 --> 01:24:40,160
Speaker 14: Do you think that the team, the franchise, the fans,

1648
01:24:40,640 --> 01:24:44,080
Speaker 14: if they had a vote tomorrow to move back to

1649
01:24:44,160 --> 01:24:47,280
Speaker 14: Florida or stay in Arizona, what do you think they do?

1650
01:24:48,040 --> 01:24:51,320
Speaker 11: I think they moved back to Florida, all things being equal.

1651
01:24:51,400 --> 01:24:52,920
Speaker 7: But there's one big reason why.

1652
01:24:52,960 --> 01:24:57,080
Speaker 11: I say that when they moved from Plant City to Sarasota,

1653
01:24:57,479 --> 01:25:01,559
Speaker 11: they moved into an area with a b in fan base.

1654
01:25:02,240 --> 01:25:08,000
Speaker 11: Because so many former Cincinnati residents, former Southwest Ohio residents

1655
01:25:08,360 --> 01:25:12,479
Speaker 11: moved into down in the Sarasota area. They didn't have

1656
01:25:12,560 --> 01:25:15,519
Speaker 11: that and they still don't have that in Arizona. And

1657
01:25:15,560 --> 01:25:17,880
Speaker 11: I think if there was any reason why they would

1658
01:25:17,880 --> 01:25:20,680
Speaker 11: do that, I think probably that would be it. I mean,

1659
01:25:20,720 --> 01:25:24,120
Speaker 11: let's face it, the Dodgers years and years ago from

1660
01:25:24,200 --> 01:25:28,200
Speaker 11: Vero Beach to Arizona, and the main reason they went

1661
01:25:28,439 --> 01:25:31,240
Speaker 11: was because they wanted to be closer to their home base,

1662
01:25:31,280 --> 01:25:34,120
Speaker 11: which is Los Angeles obviously, and I think that would

1663
01:25:34,160 --> 01:25:36,320
Speaker 11: have something to do with it too. I don't think

1664
01:25:36,360 --> 01:25:39,880
Speaker 11: they would have left Sarasota had they not been forced to,

1665
01:25:40,400 --> 01:25:43,440
Speaker 11: and that had to do with renovating and improving the ballpark,

1666
01:25:43,560 --> 01:25:47,200
Speaker 11: which was voted down. I didn't blame them for making

1667
01:25:47,240 --> 01:25:48,960
Speaker 11: the move that they did, but I think if they

1668
01:25:49,000 --> 01:25:51,439
Speaker 11: had an opportunity, and the deal was a good deal

1669
01:25:51,600 --> 01:25:54,640
Speaker 11: in a good location in Florida, and the good location.

1670
01:25:54,320 --> 01:25:56,400
Speaker 7: For me would be on the West coast where they were,

1671
01:25:56,800 --> 01:25:58,920
Speaker 7: I think they really seriously considered that.

1672
01:26:00,120 --> 01:26:04,080
Speaker 4: This morning with Tom. The entire conversation and all of

1673
01:26:04,200 --> 01:26:08,479
Speaker 4: Tom shows available through the iHeart Radio podcast page seven

1674
01:26:08,560 --> 01:26:12,479
Speaker 4: hundred WLW dot com and through the iHeart Radio app

1675
01:26:12,640 --> 01:26:15,960
Speaker 4: as well. Hey a shout out before news. I am

1676
01:26:16,000 --> 01:26:19,280
Speaker 4: a proud nineteen eighty four class of nineteen eighty four

1677
01:26:19,360 --> 01:26:22,559
Speaker 4: Carmel High School grad and Carmel, Indiana grew up here,

1678
01:26:22,880 --> 01:26:26,680
Speaker 4: moved before high school to Carmel, Indiana. The Carmel High

1679
01:26:26,720 --> 01:26:32,040
Speaker 4: School girls swim team this weekend won the swimming and

1680
01:26:32,160 --> 01:26:36,479
Speaker 4: diving state championship. Okay, so you're saying great, Carmel High

1681
01:26:36,479 --> 01:26:39,760
Speaker 4: School girls swim team wins the state title. They won

1682
01:26:39,840 --> 01:26:47,320
Speaker 4: the state title for the fortieth consecutive year. They have

1683
01:26:47,439 --> 01:26:51,519
Speaker 4: won the state championship every year since nineteen eighty six,

1684
01:26:51,720 --> 01:26:54,880
Speaker 4: my sophomore year in college. This took place at the

1685
01:26:55,120 --> 01:27:03,919
Speaker 4: Nadatorium at IU Indianapolis. The state championship in girls swimming

1686
01:27:03,960 --> 01:27:09,000
Speaker 4: has taken place since nineteen seventy four. The Carmel girls

1687
01:27:09,000 --> 01:27:14,799
Speaker 4: have won it forty straight years. Carmel as an athletic department,

1688
01:27:14,880 --> 01:27:19,479
Speaker 4: has four state championships this school year. It is the

1689
01:27:19,640 --> 01:27:24,880
Speaker 4: twenty eighth time that Carmel has at least four state

1690
01:27:25,000 --> 01:27:30,360
Speaker 4: championships in a school year. The title on Saturday was

1691
01:27:30,439 --> 01:27:34,559
Speaker 4: the one hundred and eighty fourth state championship in the

1692
01:27:34,600 --> 01:27:37,200
Speaker 4: history of Carmel High School athletics. To give you a

1693
01:27:37,240 --> 01:27:40,759
Speaker 4: little bit of perspective, second in the state of Indiana

1694
01:27:40,840 --> 01:27:46,720
Speaker 4: all time is Indianapolis North Central at sixty five. My

1695
01:27:46,840 --> 01:27:53,639
Speaker 4: Greyhounds Go Greyhounds have one hundred and eighty four. There

1696
01:27:53,720 --> 01:27:57,120
Speaker 4: was once a point, I think my sophomore year, I

1697
01:27:57,120 --> 01:28:00,760
Speaker 4: think eighty two. I think we won four state hips championships,

1698
01:28:00,800 --> 01:28:03,680
Speaker 4: and at that time, if you want a state championship,

1699
01:28:03,920 --> 01:28:06,120
Speaker 4: you got to have an all school assembly like a

1700
01:28:06,160 --> 01:28:09,080
Speaker 4: pep rally set to celebrate them, and it was a

1701
01:28:09,120 --> 01:28:13,040
Speaker 4: half day and everybody got to go home. Not that

1702
01:28:13,080 --> 01:28:15,920
Speaker 4: I'm bragging or anything, but we were winning so many

1703
01:28:16,000 --> 01:28:19,679
Speaker 4: state championships. The Indiana High School Athletic Association, a board

1704
01:28:19,680 --> 01:28:21,920
Speaker 4: of Education, stepped in and made a new rule. You

1705
01:28:21,960 --> 01:28:24,639
Speaker 4: can't do that anymore. You can't give a half day

1706
01:28:24,640 --> 01:28:31,400
Speaker 4: off for winning a state championship. We have won seven

1707
01:28:31,439 --> 01:28:37,000
Speaker 4: state championships in a year four times, six state championships

1708
01:28:37,640 --> 01:28:43,880
Speaker 4: five times. Congratulations to the Carmel High School girls swim team.

1709
01:28:44,600 --> 01:28:48,040
Speaker 4: All right, we've reached the bottom of the hour. I

1710
01:28:48,080 --> 01:28:51,000
Speaker 4: want to get a check on news. Got a couple

1711
01:28:51,000 --> 01:28:53,200
Speaker 4: of things to get to, including something that came up

1712
01:28:53,200 --> 01:28:57,160
Speaker 4: at lunch today, and this stems from the Olympics. And

1713
01:28:57,640 --> 01:28:59,320
Speaker 4: I'll go ahead and ask the question as it was

1714
01:28:59,320 --> 01:29:02,640
Speaker 4: posed at lunch today, and so much of our conversation

1715
01:29:02,760 --> 01:29:06,519
Speaker 4: was about the Olympics and the medal ceremonies, and this

1716
01:29:06,680 --> 01:29:12,400
Speaker 4: was our question we kicked around, if you could if

1717
01:29:12,400 --> 01:29:16,479
Speaker 4: you could choose an individual award to win as an

1718
01:29:16,520 --> 01:29:22,160
Speaker 4: athlete for a game, a season, or an event. I'm

1719
01:29:22,160 --> 01:29:27,400
Speaker 4: not talking like a Hall of Fame recognition. If you

1720
01:29:27,400 --> 01:29:30,760
Speaker 4: could choose an individual award to win for a game

1721
01:29:30,880 --> 01:29:35,679
Speaker 4: or season or event, which one would top your list?

1722
01:29:37,240 --> 01:29:40,519
Speaker 4: And that we led into how cool at scene is

1723
01:29:40,520 --> 01:29:42,519
Speaker 4: with the Olympics in the American flag draped over you

1724
01:29:42,560 --> 01:29:46,479
Speaker 4: and the gold medal draped around you and then the photo, Yeah,

1725
01:29:46,560 --> 01:29:48,640
Speaker 4: you're biting on the gold medal for the photo, and

1726
01:29:48,680 --> 01:29:50,599
Speaker 4: how cool it would be to win a gold medal?

1727
01:29:50,840 --> 01:29:54,400
Speaker 4: Would it be the coolest thing you could win individually

1728
01:29:54,920 --> 01:29:58,640
Speaker 4: for a performance? Let's kick there that around as we

1729
01:29:58,680 --> 01:30:01,479
Speaker 4: continue five one, three, seven, four nine, seven thousand, one

1730
01:30:01,520 --> 01:30:03,679
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1731
01:30:03,680 --> 01:30:14,400
Speaker 4: Stock presented by Kelsey Chevrolet. Seven hundred WLW eight thirty

1732
01:30:14,439 --> 01:30:19,240
Speaker 4: five seven hundred WLW RNL Carrier Sportstock presented by Kelsey Chevrolet,

1733
01:30:19,280 --> 01:30:23,519
Speaker 4: a Lliance McCallister, Your host, Russ Jackson, your producer Tonight,

1734
01:30:23,800 --> 01:30:26,720
Speaker 4: Gary Jeff Walker serving up the nightcap coming up in

1735
01:30:26,760 --> 01:30:32,160
Speaker 4: a matter of minutes at nine o'clock. That's oh, I

1736
01:30:32,200 --> 01:30:36,679
Speaker 4: know what I wanted to mention. Holy cow. All right,

1737
01:30:37,200 --> 01:30:43,840
Speaker 4: Kelly and I are into like weekend adventures and experiences

1738
01:30:43,880 --> 01:30:48,360
Speaker 4: from we did our brewery tour. We did fifty breweries,

1739
01:30:48,960 --> 01:30:54,120
Speaker 4: seventy five breweries within fifty miles of our driveway in Independence, Kentucky,

1740
01:30:55,200 --> 01:30:58,880
Speaker 4: and that was a blast. We do. We get around

1741
01:30:58,920 --> 01:31:01,599
Speaker 4: to see different bands in the different musical venues around

1742
01:31:01,640 --> 01:31:04,120
Speaker 4: the area. We're kind of on a kick where we

1743
01:31:04,200 --> 01:31:07,160
Speaker 4: get to different butcher shops in the area and coffee shops.

1744
01:31:07,280 --> 01:31:09,479
Speaker 4: We just kind of pick a different theme and we

1745
01:31:09,560 --> 01:31:11,439
Speaker 4: have these adventures where we try to check off as

1746
01:31:11,479 --> 01:31:16,280
Speaker 4: many as we can. Well, we stumbled into one on Saturday, which,

1747
01:31:17,600 --> 01:31:19,880
Speaker 4: now I'm gonna sound like a bit of a dork.

1748
01:31:20,360 --> 01:31:21,840
Speaker 4: Oh when don't you sound like a dork?

1749
01:31:21,920 --> 01:31:22,240
Speaker 7: Lance?

1750
01:31:24,560 --> 01:31:28,200
Speaker 4: I never thought one of our weekend experiences would include

1751
01:31:28,840 --> 01:31:32,040
Speaker 4: a grocery store, I will admit, as I hold up

1752
01:31:32,080 --> 01:31:35,439
Speaker 4: my hand. Until I heard the commercials on this station,

1753
01:31:35,640 --> 01:31:38,720
Speaker 4: I guess this speaks to the power of radio. I

1754
01:31:39,080 --> 01:31:42,800
Speaker 4: did not know what Dorothy Lane Market was. I live

1755
01:31:42,800 --> 01:31:46,759
Speaker 4: in north of Kentucky. There's three Dorothy Lane Markets in Dayton,

1756
01:31:47,280 --> 01:31:50,280
Speaker 4: and they've opened up one recently in Mason, and they

1757
01:31:50,320 --> 01:31:53,280
Speaker 4: have been running commercials in our station. And I say

1758
01:31:53,280 --> 01:31:55,280
Speaker 4: this in no way, shape or form tied to the

1759
01:31:55,280 --> 01:31:57,439
Speaker 4: fact they were running commercials with the station, other than

1760
01:31:57,840 --> 01:32:00,719
Speaker 4: the fact that I kept hearing it going what Dorothy

1761
01:32:00,800 --> 01:32:03,760
Speaker 4: Lane Market is so I told Kelly after I looked

1762
01:32:03,800 --> 01:32:07,000
Speaker 4: it up, I said, we're going to Dorothy Lane Market

1763
01:32:07,080 --> 01:32:13,280
Speaker 4: in Mason on Saturday. Let me tell you, I don't

1764
01:32:13,320 --> 01:32:15,840
Speaker 4: even know if I can put into words what we

1765
01:32:16,000 --> 01:32:21,479
Speaker 4: experienced in terms of this gourmet grocery store and looking

1766
01:32:21,479 --> 01:32:24,360
Speaker 4: at the background they opened in nineteen forty eight, originally

1767
01:32:24,360 --> 01:32:26,599
Speaker 4: with three and Dayton and the new one in Mason,

1768
01:32:26,960 --> 01:32:31,200
Speaker 4: you talk about sensory overload. I have never seen a

1769
01:32:32,120 --> 01:32:36,320
Speaker 4: gourmet grocery store with what they and we were just

1770
01:32:36,439 --> 01:32:39,240
Speaker 4: such rookies in over our heads. Our heads are on

1771
01:32:39,320 --> 01:32:41,760
Speaker 4: a swivel where like get this and get this and

1772
01:32:41,800 --> 01:32:45,240
Speaker 4: get this, and no, we can't get that. It's described

1773
01:32:45,280 --> 01:32:49,559
Speaker 4: as a culinary playground, and I'm here to tell you

1774
01:32:50,000 --> 01:32:52,160
Speaker 4: there could not be a better way to describe it

1775
01:32:52,280 --> 01:32:58,240
Speaker 4: than a culinary playground. I can't believe what we experienced

1776
01:32:58,280 --> 01:33:01,640
Speaker 4: on Saturday. We got dinner for the next couple of nights.

1777
01:33:01,400 --> 01:33:04,760
Speaker 4: There's a butcher shop and there was meat cooking on

1778
01:33:04,800 --> 01:33:06,840
Speaker 4: the grill as we walked by. And there's the deli

1779
01:33:06,880 --> 01:33:08,960
Speaker 4: in the kitchen and sandwiches made on the spot to

1780
01:33:09,000 --> 01:33:11,880
Speaker 4: go and dinner bags to grab for two to go.

1781
01:33:12,200 --> 01:33:15,200
Speaker 4: We got lasagna and meatballs, and I sent Casey a picture.

1782
01:33:15,280 --> 01:33:18,160
Speaker 4: I said, these meatballs are as big as a Botchi ball.

1783
01:33:18,640 --> 01:33:21,400
Speaker 4: I said, we got three lasagnas and three meatballs. You

1784
01:33:21,439 --> 01:33:23,639
Speaker 4: want to come over for dinner tomorrow? He said, I'm

1785
01:33:23,680 --> 01:33:26,960
Speaker 4: in and he came over last night. They have seafood

1786
01:33:27,000 --> 01:33:30,160
Speaker 4: in sushi and naple style pizzas and artists and breads,

1787
01:33:30,200 --> 01:33:32,040
Speaker 4: and there's a bakery. And we got all the way

1788
01:33:32,040 --> 01:33:34,519
Speaker 4: home and somebody said, well, did you try killer Brownie?

1789
01:33:34,960 --> 01:33:37,240
Speaker 4: And I said no, what was killer brown And they said,

1790
01:33:37,280 --> 01:33:40,120
Speaker 4: how did you not get killer Brownie? And they said

1791
01:33:40,120 --> 01:33:41,560
Speaker 4: did you get a beer and drink it while you

1792
01:33:41,560 --> 01:33:44,200
Speaker 4: were walking around shopping? And I said no. I said

1793
01:33:44,200 --> 01:33:48,120
Speaker 4: we were rookies. It's our first time there. I can't

1794
01:33:48,120 --> 01:33:51,800
Speaker 4: even And I heard maybe in Sloane who mentioned they

1795
01:33:51,800 --> 01:33:53,559
Speaker 4: did a food drop here last week and brought in

1796
01:33:53,600 --> 01:33:55,960
Speaker 4: food during the day, and all the while I'm thinking,

1797
01:33:56,360 --> 01:34:00,080
Speaker 4: all right, so it's a grocery store. Well, when we

1798
01:34:00,120 --> 01:34:03,880
Speaker 4: went there and saw what it actually is, it is

1799
01:34:03,960 --> 01:34:10,160
Speaker 4: the most like, the the fanciest, coolest gourmet grocery. Calling

1800
01:34:10,200 --> 01:34:13,960
Speaker 4: it a grocery store didn't even do it justice. And

1801
01:34:14,960 --> 01:34:17,360
Speaker 4: I called Tom Gamble and I said chief. I said,

1802
01:34:17,520 --> 01:34:21,519
Speaker 4: you're not gonna believe this, You've got to go. We u.

1803
01:34:22,439 --> 01:34:25,240
Speaker 4: It was a whole new experience. And the coolest thing

1804
01:34:25,280 --> 01:34:27,920
Speaker 4: is we were checking out there there was a gentleman

1805
01:34:28,120 --> 01:34:29,840
Speaker 4: who walked up to us and said, how is your

1806
01:34:30,120 --> 01:34:32,560
Speaker 4: your shopping experience today? And I looked at him and

1807
01:34:32,640 --> 01:34:35,439
Speaker 4: I said, I can't even begin to tell you. I said,

1808
01:34:35,439 --> 01:34:38,000
Speaker 4: this is our first time here. I said, I've never

1809
01:34:38,000 --> 01:34:40,800
Speaker 4: seen anything like it. There's an upstairs area you can

1810
01:34:40,840 --> 01:34:43,519
Speaker 4: eat lunch in the play. And he's telling us how

1811
01:34:44,000 --> 01:34:46,000
Speaker 4: excited he was to hear us say that, and how

1812
01:34:46,000 --> 01:34:48,479
Speaker 4: happy he was for our experience. And he introduced himself

1813
01:34:49,000 --> 01:34:55,280
Speaker 4: and his name is Calvin, and he's the grandson of

1814
01:34:56,160 --> 01:34:59,880
Speaker 4: Calvin and Vera Maine, the descendants, and it's operated by

1815
01:34:59,920 --> 01:35:02,760
Speaker 4: the descendants of the original and it was started in

1816
01:35:02,840 --> 01:35:05,439
Speaker 4: nineteen forty eight. It was I think Frank Sinaka and

1817
01:35:05,520 --> 01:35:11,360
Speaker 4: Calvin Maine and the main family descendants have carried on

1818
01:35:11,400 --> 01:35:13,519
Speaker 4: the tradition over the years. And we got to meet

1819
01:35:13,760 --> 01:35:16,640
Speaker 4: Calvin the grandson, which it was an honor and a

1820
01:35:16,640 --> 01:35:20,519
Speaker 4: pleasure to meet him. I was excited to be there.

1821
01:35:20,600 --> 01:35:23,320
Speaker 4: I'm disappointed in so many things we missed which means

1822
01:35:23,360 --> 01:35:27,559
Speaker 4: we're gonna have to go again. But for a husband

1823
01:35:27,560 --> 01:35:31,719
Speaker 4: and wife who does breweries and bands and music venues

1824
01:35:31,840 --> 01:35:34,919
Speaker 4: and butchers and coffee shops, the fact that we stumbled

1825
01:35:34,960 --> 01:35:37,599
Speaker 4: into the experience of a gourmet grocery store at Dorothy

1826
01:35:37,680 --> 01:35:40,559
Speaker 4: Lane Market was one of the most unexpected things we've

1827
01:35:40,560 --> 01:35:43,800
Speaker 4: ever done. And well, we pulled in and I looked

1828
01:35:43,800 --> 01:35:47,760
Speaker 4: at the place. I said, oh, oh, this this is

1829
01:35:47,800 --> 01:35:51,760
Speaker 4: going to be something. And the place was packed, but

1830
01:35:51,800 --> 01:35:53,519
Speaker 4: the amazing thing was as packed as it was. We

1831
01:35:53,560 --> 01:35:55,559
Speaker 4: went like right through the line and what we're done,

1832
01:35:55,600 --> 01:35:59,160
Speaker 4: But shout out everybody at Dorothy Lane Market. I now

1833
01:35:59,280 --> 01:36:03,920
Speaker 4: know what it is and I now understand what it's

1834
01:36:03,960 --> 01:36:08,000
Speaker 4: all about. I was trying to tell my dad today.

1835
01:36:08,080 --> 01:36:11,040
Speaker 4: He says, they have what I said. Yeah, You're You're

1836
01:36:11,040 --> 01:36:13,479
Speaker 4: gonna just You're gonna have to go to understand because

1837
01:36:13,680 --> 01:36:16,599
Speaker 4: I'm not doing a very good job of fully putting

1838
01:36:16,600 --> 01:36:19,840
Speaker 4: in the two words what it was all about. All right,

1839
01:36:19,840 --> 01:36:23,160
Speaker 4: Today at lunch, we were mentioning the Olympic experience of

1840
01:36:23,160 --> 01:36:26,160
Speaker 4: winning a gold medal, and this became our lunch conversation.

1841
01:36:26,240 --> 01:36:29,000
Speaker 4: And I love when something at lunch turns into something

1842
01:36:29,040 --> 01:36:31,559
Speaker 4: I can talk about on the air, and the debate

1843
01:36:31,680 --> 01:36:35,200
Speaker 4: turned into is winning a gold medal the coolest thing

1844
01:36:35,240 --> 01:36:38,240
Speaker 4: you could win as an individual when it comes to

1845
01:36:38,320 --> 01:36:41,160
Speaker 4: a game or a season or an event like the Olympics?

1846
01:36:41,520 --> 01:36:44,400
Speaker 4: Is there anything else you'd want to win more than

1847
01:36:44,400 --> 01:36:47,799
Speaker 4: a gold medal? And I just I love that scene

1848
01:36:48,240 --> 01:36:52,200
Speaker 4: on the podium where the American who's one gold is

1849
01:36:52,240 --> 01:36:55,000
Speaker 4: on the top step of the podium, has the American

1850
01:36:55,040 --> 01:36:57,920
Speaker 4: flag draped around him, gold medal placed around their neck,

1851
01:36:58,240 --> 01:37:02,639
Speaker 4: tears in their eyes, the foe afterwards of you know, pretending,

1852
01:37:02,760 --> 01:37:05,640
Speaker 4: you know, biting on the gold medal. I just I

1853
01:37:05,920 --> 01:37:09,160
Speaker 4: can't imagine what it would be like to work for

1854
01:37:09,280 --> 01:37:13,360
Speaker 4: something for that long and in one moment get the

1855
01:37:13,400 --> 01:37:17,400
Speaker 4: opportunity and deliver on it. And we started kicking around.

1856
01:37:17,400 --> 01:37:21,439
Speaker 4: That is our conversation today at lunch, and the only

1857
01:37:21,520 --> 01:37:27,599
Speaker 4: other one I would put up for conversation. And I'm

1858
01:37:27,640 --> 01:37:30,839
Speaker 4: not even a golfer, but I think I'd put the

1859
01:37:30,880 --> 01:37:37,040
Speaker 4: master's green jacket and laying claim to the masters as

1860
01:37:38,479 --> 01:37:43,040
Speaker 4: a close second. I think I go gold medal one.

1861
01:37:43,360 --> 01:37:47,479
Speaker 4: I think I'd go the Master's Green jacket one. Master

1862
01:37:47,640 --> 01:37:51,879
Speaker 4: the green jacket is really cool. I think that would

1863
01:37:52,160 --> 01:37:56,720
Speaker 4: be two on my list. We had a thought on

1864
01:37:56,760 --> 01:37:59,360
Speaker 4: the Heisman today. To me, the heisman doesn't mean nearly

1865
01:37:59,360 --> 01:38:01,439
Speaker 4: as much as it used to. We had a thought

1866
01:38:01,439 --> 01:38:06,120
Speaker 4: today on the crown of the heavyweight champion in boxing,

1867
01:38:06,160 --> 01:38:10,840
Speaker 4: the belt. And yet I couldn't tell you who among

1868
01:38:10,880 --> 01:38:14,640
Speaker 4: all the alphabet sanctioning bodies of the heavyweight division right now,

1869
01:38:14,720 --> 01:38:16,840
Speaker 4: couldn't even tell you who the heavyweight champion of the

1870
01:38:16,840 --> 01:38:19,160
Speaker 4: world is. It used to be if you were the

1871
01:38:19,280 --> 01:38:22,600
Speaker 4: heavyweight champion of the world, that was a title and

1872
01:38:22,680 --> 01:38:26,519
Speaker 4: award with a belt that anybody and everybody would have wanted.

1873
01:38:28,320 --> 01:38:31,000
Speaker 4: I'll give you one more. I'll give you a third

1874
01:38:31,960 --> 01:38:34,519
Speaker 4: that I put in the conversation, just because of the

1875
01:38:34,560 --> 01:38:40,920
Speaker 4: magnitude of it. And it may sound corny, the Walter

1876
01:38:41,000 --> 01:38:44,960
Speaker 4: Payton Man of the Year Award not for a performance

1877
01:38:45,000 --> 01:38:50,519
Speaker 4: on the field, but for recognition of the human being

1878
01:38:50,640 --> 01:38:55,960
Speaker 4: you are by your peers. I think that would be

1879
01:38:56,000 --> 01:39:00,400
Speaker 4: cool to win. We had the Gold Glove men today

1880
01:39:00,439 --> 01:39:04,000
Speaker 4: at lunch. We had UH the Silver Slugger Award. We

1881
01:39:04,040 --> 01:39:07,280
Speaker 4: had the Wimbledon. UH. The men win the UH it's

1882
01:39:07,320 --> 01:39:12,160
Speaker 4: the cup and the women win the platter. Wimbledon's a

1883
01:39:12,200 --> 01:39:12,719
Speaker 4: cool award.

1884
01:39:14,040 --> 01:39:14,200
Speaker 7: UH.

1885
01:39:14,280 --> 01:39:20,320
Speaker 4: The Borg Warner Trophy of the NDY five hundred, the

1886
01:39:20,360 --> 01:39:26,760
Speaker 4: Watermaker Trophy for the PGA Championship. The Sullivant Award goes

1887
01:39:26,760 --> 01:39:30,400
Speaker 4: to the top amateur athlete in the country. But I

1888
01:39:30,479 --> 01:39:34,599
Speaker 4: still think we had mentioned of. I'll give you another one.

1889
01:39:34,840 --> 01:39:38,320
Speaker 4: The The Lady Bing Trophy was mentioned today when when

1890
01:39:38,320 --> 01:39:41,000
Speaker 4: I mentioned the Walter Payton Man of the Year award.

1891
01:39:41,640 --> 01:39:44,240
Speaker 4: I was countered with the Lady Bing Trophy in in

1892
01:39:44,360 --> 01:39:51,679
Speaker 4: hockey for sportsmanship and gentlemanly conduct and high standard of ability.

1893
01:39:51,840 --> 01:39:54,640
Speaker 4: The Golden Boot was mentioned today. The top score of

1894
01:39:54,640 --> 01:39:58,920
Speaker 4: the FIFA World Cup gets the Golden Boot. I had

1895
01:39:58,960 --> 01:40:02,080
Speaker 4: a I've got a friend who is a huge poker player,

1896
01:40:02,439 --> 01:40:05,639
Speaker 4: and he said, give me the bracelet from the World

1897
01:40:05,720 --> 01:40:08,920
Speaker 4: Series of Poker declaring me the champion, which I thought

1898
01:40:08,960 --> 01:40:13,200
Speaker 4: was what I would not have thought of. It would

1899
01:40:13,240 --> 01:40:15,160
Speaker 4: not have been on my list, but I understand his

1900
01:40:15,200 --> 01:40:17,960
Speaker 4: appeal with it. Somebody mentioned an eSPI today. I'm not

1901
01:40:18,000 --> 01:40:21,720
Speaker 4: a big espi's guy, but I go Olympic gold Medal one,

1902
01:40:21,800 --> 01:40:24,960
Speaker 4: I go masters to I go the Walter Payton Man

1903
01:40:25,000 --> 01:40:30,559
Speaker 4: of the Year three to round out my list. Just

1904
01:40:30,600 --> 01:40:35,680
Speaker 4: had somebody email me their own Bobblehead. Hadn't thought of

1905
01:40:35,680 --> 01:40:44,719
Speaker 4: that one. I got another one by email Madden Video

1906
01:40:44,880 --> 01:40:51,160
Speaker 4: Game cover. I still think I'd go Gold Medal, Master's

1907
01:40:51,240 --> 01:40:55,800
Speaker 4: Green Jacket, Walter Payton Man of the Year Award. Down

1908
01:40:55,800 --> 01:40:58,080
Speaker 4: the Stretch you will go. Final segment to clean things

1909
01:40:58,160 --> 01:41:01,200
Speaker 4: up and round things out. RNL carry Sports Talk presented

1910
01:41:01,240 --> 01:41:05,840
Speaker 4: by Kelsey Chevallet, seven hundred WLW. All Right, down the

1911
01:41:05,840 --> 01:41:07,920
Speaker 4: stretch we go, Garret Jeff Walker is going to serve

1912
01:41:08,000 --> 01:41:10,479
Speaker 4: up the nightcap just after the nine o'clock news. Hey,

1913
01:41:10,560 --> 01:41:16,080
Speaker 4: a shout out to Ron Hanslinger. Ron Anslinger just wrapped up,

1914
01:41:16,080 --> 01:41:19,800
Speaker 4: I'm told, his fifty fifth year as the scorekeeper for

1915
01:41:19,880 --> 01:41:24,120
Speaker 4: the Miamisburg boys basketball team. His final home game this

1916
01:41:24,240 --> 01:41:28,920
Speaker 4: year was this past Friday when Miamisburg hosted Fairmont. I'm

1917
01:41:28,920 --> 01:41:31,639
Speaker 4: told he plans to return next season for another season.

1918
01:41:32,680 --> 01:41:38,840
Speaker 4: Ron played on the Miamisburg nineteen sixty four MVL championship team.

1919
01:41:39,040 --> 01:41:41,880
Speaker 4: He taught for thirty years in Miamisburg. He retired twenty

1920
01:41:41,920 --> 01:41:45,679
Speaker 4: eight years ago, and he's kept on scorekeeping. He's also

1921
01:41:45,760 --> 01:41:48,760
Speaker 4: kept the scoreboard for the home girls basketball games for

1922
01:41:48,800 --> 01:41:53,080
Speaker 4: around twenty five years. This Friday, he will receive the

1923
01:41:53,200 --> 01:41:57,759
Speaker 4: Dale E. Kramer Friend of Athletics Award from the Ohio

1924
01:41:57,840 --> 01:42:01,719
Speaker 4: High School Athletic Association Southwest Day. That is a really

1925
01:42:01,800 --> 01:42:06,960
Speaker 4: cool award. Congratulations to Ron Anslinger who has kept the

1926
01:42:07,040 --> 01:42:12,560
Speaker 4: score for over eleven hundred games. He's kept the scorebook

1927
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Speaker 4: for seventeen of the school's top twenty scores all time,

1928
01:42:18,320 --> 01:42:23,960
Speaker 4: and has been doing the girls' scorebook for what did

1929
01:42:24,040 --> 01:42:28,479
Speaker 4: I say to twenty five plus years as well. That

1930
01:42:28,880 --> 01:42:33,960
Speaker 4: incredible and congratulations on the award, well earned and deserved.

1931
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Speaker 4: If you know Ron Anslinger, tell him I said, hey,

1932
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Speaker 4: and congratulations. All right, out to the phones that I

1933
01:42:39,960 --> 01:42:41,439
Speaker 4: got to doing on this date and get you out

1934
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Speaker 4: of here independence we go. Hey Mike, you're on seven

1935
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Speaker 4: hundred WLW.

1936
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Speaker 7: Hey Lance, I'll be quick.

1937
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Speaker 6: But how about the Joe Nutsall Humanitarian Award.

1938
01:42:51,240 --> 01:42:56,120
Speaker 4: Oh well, you have just changed my mind because I

1939
01:42:56,160 --> 01:42:59,120
Speaker 4: am very honored and proud to have won that. That

1940
01:42:59,360 --> 01:43:02,439
Speaker 4: is number one on my list, no question.

1941
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Speaker 5: And then I think maybe Super Bowl MVT for me

1942
01:43:06,200 --> 01:43:07,000
Speaker 5: be on the field with.

1943
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Speaker 4: All that that fan fare and can you imagine.

1944
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Speaker 10: That fan base flying down and oh yeah, I think

1945
01:43:13,640 --> 01:43:14,680
Speaker 10: that'd be a great moment for.

1946
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Speaker 4: That absolutely I'm putting that one on the list. Thanks Mike.

1947
01:43:18,200 --> 01:43:20,240
Speaker 4: All right, good here for me. How did I leave? Well,

1948
01:43:20,280 --> 01:43:22,400
Speaker 4: I wasn't thinking in those terms, But when you put

1949
01:43:22,439 --> 01:43:25,720
Speaker 4: it in those terms, the Joe Nuxall Miracle League Humanitarian

1950
01:43:25,760 --> 01:43:29,360
Speaker 4: of the Year Award is number one because I won

1951
01:43:29,439 --> 01:43:34,479
Speaker 4: that the coolest night of my existence, and to have

1952
01:43:34,640 --> 01:43:38,639
Speaker 4: Casey and Peyton speak that night, I still still can't

1953
01:43:38,680 --> 01:43:41,200
Speaker 4: believe they did it. I can't believe they were able

1954
01:43:41,240 --> 01:43:42,800
Speaker 4: to keep it from me as well. All Right, On

1955
01:43:42,880 --> 01:43:46,200
Speaker 4: this date in sports history, nineteen thirty four, Epi Rixie

1956
01:43:46,200 --> 01:43:49,480
Speaker 4: of the Reds announces his retirement after twenty one seasons.

1957
01:43:49,640 --> 01:43:51,880
Speaker 4: He'd won two hundred and sixty six games. He was

1958
01:43:51,880 --> 01:43:54,960
Speaker 4: elected to the Hall of Fame in nineteen sixty three.

1959
01:43:55,280 --> 01:43:58,120
Speaker 4: Think about that, Epi Rixie retired in nineteen thirty four.

1960
01:43:58,400 --> 01:44:01,799
Speaker 4: He wasn't elected to the Hall of Fame for twenty

1961
01:44:01,960 --> 01:44:06,160
Speaker 4: nine more years. Nineteen fifty nineteen seventy two, Will Chamberlain

1962
01:44:06,200 --> 01:44:08,840
Speaker 4: becomes the first player to top the thirty thousand point

1963
01:44:08,880 --> 01:44:11,559
Speaker 4: mark in his career during a game against the Phoenix

1964
01:44:11,960 --> 01:44:16,599
Speaker 4: Suns nineteen eighty nine. Mineut Bowl Hall Man Blast from

1965
01:44:16,600 --> 01:44:19,960
Speaker 4: the Past, well manew Bowls like what seven foot seven,

1966
01:44:21,240 --> 01:44:24,240
Speaker 4: he blocked ten shots in a win over the LA Clippers.

1967
01:44:24,720 --> 01:44:28,120
Speaker 4: Nineteen eighty nine, groundbreaking day for baseball. Red Sox pitcher

1968
01:44:28,200 --> 01:44:32,639
Speaker 4: Roger Clemens signs a record three year, seven point five

1969
01:44:32,720 --> 01:44:37,320
Speaker 4: million dollar deal. Three years, seven point five million nineteen

1970
01:44:37,400 --> 01:44:40,280
Speaker 4: ninety four. On this date, one of the most underrated

1971
01:44:40,280 --> 01:44:43,960
Speaker 4: players in basketball history. Really good. I think recognized he's

1972
01:44:44,000 --> 01:44:46,320
Speaker 4: really good, But nobody ever mentions like in the same

1973
01:44:46,360 --> 01:44:50,519
Speaker 4: breath with like the greatest. The Admiral David Robinson recorded

1974
01:44:50,560 --> 01:44:56,360
Speaker 4: his fourth quadruple recorded the fourth quadruple double in NBA history.

1975
01:44:56,760 --> 01:44:59,320
Speaker 4: He had thirty four points, ten rebounds, ten assist and

1976
01:44:59,360 --> 01:45:04,200
Speaker 4: ten blocks with San Antonio Spurs and uh oh two more.

1977
01:45:04,280 --> 01:45:09,200
Speaker 4: Two thousand and five, the NHL announced the cancelation of

1978
01:45:09,320 --> 01:45:12,439
Speaker 4: the two thousand and four two thousand and five season

1979
01:45:12,680 --> 01:45:15,000
Speaker 4: due to a labor dispute. It was the first time

1980
01:45:15,040 --> 01:45:18,439
Speaker 4: a major sports league in North America lost an entire

1981
01:45:18,560 --> 01:45:24,080
Speaker 4: season to a labor dispute. Will Major League Baseball join

1982
01:45:24,160 --> 01:45:29,320
Speaker 4: that list for the twenty twenty seven MLB season? Because

1983
01:45:29,400 --> 01:45:32,040
Speaker 4: rest as shirt, it's not a matter of if there's

1984
01:45:32,080 --> 01:45:35,559
Speaker 4: going to be a no, not a strike, a lockout,

1985
01:45:35,640 --> 01:45:37,439
Speaker 4: the owners will lock the players out. It's not a

1986
01:45:37,520 --> 01:45:39,960
Speaker 4: question of if there's going to be a lockout, it's

1987
01:45:40,040 --> 01:45:45,040
Speaker 4: if it will wipe out the no when they play baseball.

1988
01:45:45,080 --> 01:45:47,040
Speaker 4: I'll put it that way. And this day, two thousand

1989
01:45:47,080 --> 01:45:52,639
Speaker 4: and nine, the Bengals placed the franchise tag on kicker

1990
01:45:52,720 --> 01:45:57,120
Speaker 4: Shane Graham. Franchise tag of two point five million for

1991
01:45:57,200 --> 01:46:00,880
Speaker 4: the Bengals kicker to a dot. Think it a liberty

1992
01:46:00,880 --> 01:46:03,200
Speaker 4: township squeezes in before I wrap it up, Hey, Dan,

1993
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Speaker 4: you're on seven hundred W l W.

1994
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Speaker 19: Yeah, I just wanted to tell a quick story about

1995
01:46:08,160 --> 01:46:11,599
Speaker 19: the Heisman Trophy. Yeah, back back in the day Tom

1996
01:46:11,640 --> 01:46:14,120
Speaker 19: Harmon one one at Michigan and he got married and

1997
01:46:14,120 --> 01:46:16,360
Speaker 19: settled in and with his wife in a place in

1998
01:46:16,439 --> 01:46:19,679
Speaker 19: Chicago and had his Heisman trophy up on the mantel

1999
01:46:20,160 --> 01:46:24,160
Speaker 19: over the fireplace. And he had got to know Glenn

2000
01:46:24,240 --> 01:46:28,080
Speaker 19: Davis and Doc Blanchard, you know, from playing football against

2001
01:46:28,240 --> 01:46:32,479
Speaker 19: Army and being at those Heisman Trophy presentations. And so

2002
01:46:32,720 --> 01:46:34,760
Speaker 19: him and his wife got an invite over to Glenn

2003
01:46:34,840 --> 01:46:37,760
Speaker 19: Davis's house and they go in there. Glenn Davis has

2004
01:46:37,760 --> 01:46:41,559
Speaker 19: got his Heisman on display, you know, and then then

2005
01:46:41,600 --> 01:46:43,280
Speaker 19: like a week later, they get they go over to

2006
01:46:43,320 --> 01:46:47,040
Speaker 19: Doc Blanchard's house and and they have dinner and and

2007
01:46:47,200 --> 01:46:51,120
Speaker 19: Doc Blanchert's got his HeSE went on display. And so anyway,

2008
01:46:51,280 --> 01:46:53,920
Speaker 19: then about a week later, Tom Harmon goes home and

2009
01:46:53,960 --> 01:46:57,400
Speaker 19: his Heisman's trophy is not on the mantel. Yes, his

2010
01:46:57,439 --> 01:46:59,519
Speaker 19: wife is what you do by Heisland trophies. Well, we

2011
01:46:59,640 --> 01:47:00,680
Speaker 19: can't have that up there.

2012
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Speaker 4: Everybody's got one that's that's good, very well. I'd never

2013
01:47:10,200 --> 01:47:13,880
Speaker 4: heard that one. That's a good one. Oh, I like it. Hey, thanks, Dan,

2014
01:47:15,360 --> 01:47:17,760
Speaker 4: I have a great night. I love that. I love

2015
01:47:17,800 --> 01:47:20,360
Speaker 4: the fact i've uh man, I've been honored with a

2016
01:47:20,520 --> 01:47:23,080
Speaker 4: vote for the Heisman for the last uh I think

2017
01:47:23,439 --> 01:47:25,280
Speaker 4: twelve years now. In the books, I voted for the

2018
01:47:25,920 --> 01:47:28,519
Speaker 4: Heisman Trophy. All right, the round it out. I can't

2019
01:47:28,520 --> 01:47:31,360
Speaker 4: believe I. I just I kind of tossed this out

2020
01:47:31,400 --> 01:47:36,040
Speaker 4: there in passing on Friday night when I mentioned the

2021
01:47:36,040 --> 01:47:39,439
Speaker 4: the Mike Vrabel stat how I missed a chance Super

2022
01:47:39,479 --> 01:47:41,320
Speaker 4: Bowl week to do that as a topic of like

2023
01:47:41,520 --> 01:47:45,040
Speaker 4: crazy unreal stats, and that Mike Vrabel, the Patriots coach

2024
01:47:45,040 --> 01:47:47,439
Speaker 4: when he was a player, he had he was a

2025
01:47:47,439 --> 01:47:51,120
Speaker 4: linebacker and during his career, he caught ten passes and

2026
01:47:51,200 --> 01:47:55,120
Speaker 4: all ten were touchdowns, which I still I'm blown away

2027
01:47:55,120 --> 01:47:57,320
Speaker 4: by that. But I happen to reel off a number

2028
01:47:57,320 --> 01:48:01,120
Speaker 4: of just odd, quirky, amazing stats, just kind of in

2029
01:48:01,200 --> 01:48:04,080
Speaker 4: passing the number of emails I got over the weekend.

2030
01:48:04,160 --> 01:48:05,720
Speaker 4: Do more of those? Do you have any more of

2031
01:48:05,760 --> 01:48:08,400
Speaker 4: those crazy stuff? I got a couple of more. Maybe

2032
01:48:08,439 --> 01:48:10,280
Speaker 4: I should have done this just as a bigger topic.

2033
01:48:10,920 --> 01:48:12,519
Speaker 4: I'll give you a couple of more. If you take

2034
01:48:12,560 --> 01:48:15,439
Speaker 4: away Hank aaron seven hundred and fifty five home runs,

2035
01:48:16,080 --> 01:48:19,719
Speaker 4: he would still have over three thousand hits. Think about

2036
01:48:19,720 --> 01:48:23,920
Speaker 4: that for a second. Ty Cobb stole home fifty four

2037
01:48:23,960 --> 01:48:28,519
Speaker 4: times in his career, eight times in one season. How

2038
01:48:28,600 --> 01:48:32,480
Speaker 4: is that possible? Fifty four steals of home Bill Buckner

2039
01:48:33,920 --> 01:48:40,479
Speaker 4: has more career hits than Ted Williams. In nineteen twenty seven,

2040
01:48:41,920 --> 01:48:45,360
Speaker 4: Babe Ruth led the majors in home runs with sixty.

2041
01:48:46,320 --> 01:48:52,479
Speaker 4: The Philadelphia A's hit fifty six as a team. Babe

2042
01:48:52,520 --> 01:48:57,120
Speaker 4: Ruth hit more home runs than teams when he was playing.

2043
01:48:58,000 --> 01:48:59,719
Speaker 4: I got another one here. I got a Tony Gwynn.

2044
01:49:00,080 --> 01:49:03,160
Speaker 4: Tony Gwynn could go, oh, could have gone. Oh for

2045
01:49:03,240 --> 01:49:08,080
Speaker 4: his final eleven hundred and sixty and still had a

2046
01:49:08,080 --> 01:49:12,680
Speaker 4: career batting average of three hundred. Let me round this

2047
01:49:12,760 --> 01:49:14,760
Speaker 4: out here. I'm going to run out of time. Here's

2048
01:49:14,800 --> 01:49:19,559
Speaker 4: a quirky one. Nineteen seventy four quarterback Joe Thisman led

2049
01:49:19,600 --> 01:49:26,920
Speaker 4: the Washington Redskins in punt returns and return yards. Billy

2050
01:49:27,000 --> 01:49:30,519
Speaker 4: Kilmer and Sonny Jergensen were the starting quarterbacks on that team.

2051
01:49:30,920 --> 01:49:37,800
Speaker 4: Joe Thiseman returned punts Wayne Gretzky. If you scored more

2052
01:49:37,840 --> 01:49:41,120
Speaker 4: goals than well until Ovichkin, but you could take away

2053
01:49:41,240 --> 01:49:44,559
Speaker 4: all of Gretzky's goals eight hundred and ninety four, I

2054
01:49:44,560 --> 01:49:47,080
Speaker 4: think it is, and Wayne Gretzky would still be the

2055
01:49:47,400 --> 01:49:52,759
Speaker 4: all time leader in total points in NHL history nineteen

2056
01:49:52,840 --> 01:49:56,639
Speaker 4: hundred and sixty three assist in his career. This one

2057
01:49:56,680 --> 01:49:58,240
Speaker 4: blew me away, and I had to look it up

2058
01:49:58,280 --> 01:50:02,439
Speaker 4: just to double check, and it's it's true. Pete Rose,

2059
01:50:04,120 --> 01:50:06,759
Speaker 4: of course, hit leadoff for the nineteen seventy five reds

2060
01:50:07,600 --> 01:50:11,439
Speaker 4: that team led the National League in stolen bases with

2061
01:50:11,520 --> 01:50:17,040
Speaker 4: one hundred and sixty eight. Pete Rose did not steal

2062
01:50:17,160 --> 01:50:21,240
Speaker 4: a single base on the seventy five team that led

2063
01:50:21,240 --> 01:50:24,800
Speaker 4: the league in steals. He reached base three hundred and

2064
01:50:24,800 --> 01:50:27,400
Speaker 4: fifteen times that year. I looked at up two hundred

2065
01:50:27,400 --> 01:50:31,960
Speaker 4: and ten hits, eighty nine walks. He reached by air

2066
01:50:32,160 --> 01:50:36,760
Speaker 4: five times, three hundred and fifteen times on base. He

2067
01:50:36,840 --> 01:50:41,160
Speaker 4: did not steal the entire season. I would have lost

2068
01:50:41,200 --> 01:50:44,080
Speaker 4: a bet on that this one. For the Veda Penson

2069
01:50:44,160 --> 01:50:49,880
Speaker 4: fans out there. I bet my guy Frannon Lovelin would

2070
01:50:49,880 --> 01:50:54,800
Speaker 4: appreciate this one. Veda Penson had three seasons with at

2071
01:50:54,920 --> 01:51:01,360
Speaker 4: least two hundred hits, twenty homers and twenty steals. Three

2072
01:51:01,400 --> 01:51:05,360
Speaker 4: seasons with at least two hundred hits, twenty homers, twenty steals.

2073
01:51:05,880 --> 01:51:11,519
Speaker 4: Only jose L two Vay has even two in Major

2074
01:51:11,600 --> 01:51:14,880
Speaker 4: league history. No other player in the history of the

2075
01:51:14,920 --> 01:51:20,559
Speaker 4: game more than one. That's a pretty dang impressive Beta

2076
01:51:20,640 --> 01:51:22,439
Speaker 4: Pinson's day. All right, So there you go. I gave

2077
01:51:22,479 --> 01:51:25,880
Speaker 4: you some more. Didn't have any others of note? Did

2078
01:51:25,880 --> 01:51:29,599
Speaker 4: I give you a? Brett Farve's first completed NFL pass

2079
01:51:29,920 --> 01:51:32,840
Speaker 4: was to himself. Pass was batted up in the air

2080
01:51:32,960 --> 01:51:38,360
Speaker 4: and he caught it. Let see, was there any other

2081
01:51:38,479 --> 01:51:41,360
Speaker 4: of note? Oh? Okay, one more, one more. I promise

2082
01:51:41,760 --> 01:51:45,080
Speaker 4: this to the greatness of Babe Ruth when he set

2083
01:51:45,160 --> 01:51:50,360
Speaker 4: baseball's career home run record. In nineteen twenty one, he

2084
01:51:50,479 --> 01:51:53,960
Speaker 4: set the career record for home runs. He hit his

2085
01:51:54,080 --> 01:51:59,160
Speaker 4: one hundred and thirty ninth that set the all time

2086
01:51:59,240 --> 01:52:02,439
Speaker 4: record for home runs in a career at the time

2087
01:52:02,840 --> 01:52:05,679
Speaker 4: at one thirty nine. All right, now, I'm done. Thanks

2088
01:52:05,680 --> 01:52:07,920
Speaker 4: to our Russ for producing, Thanks to you for taking

2089
01:52:07,920 --> 01:52:09,760
Speaker 4: a listen. I gotta save this list. I gotta. I

2090
01:52:09,760 --> 01:52:12,720
Speaker 4: should do it as like a full blown topic down

2091
01:52:12,800 --> 01:52:15,280
Speaker 4: the road. Uh, I'm back at you on Wednesday night.

2092
01:52:15,360 --> 01:52:17,840
Speaker 4: Wednesday night after Red's hot stove at seven, so you

2093
01:52:17,880 --> 01:52:21,360
Speaker 4: and me seven to nine. Xavier basketball plays here tomorrow night.

2094
01:52:21,400 --> 01:52:23,920
Speaker 4: The news is next. This is RNL Carrier Sports Talk,

2095
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