WEBVTT - Sports Talk with Lance McAlister -- 12/5/25 0:00:06.000 --> 0:00:10.760 The following takes place between six pm and seven pm. 0:00:11.000 --> 0:00:13.160 Do you want answers? I think I'm entitled. 0:00:13.160 --> 0:00:17.160 You want answers? The truth? You can't handle the truth? 0:00:17.360 --> 0:00:22.920 Truth, the truth. All right, let's get to it. Six 0:00:23.040 --> 0:00:25.959 oh eight seven hundred WLW. You welcome into RNL. 0:00:25.720 --> 0:00:29.280 Carry or sports Talk forsentaby Kelsey Chevrolet. I'm last for callister, 0:00:29.600 --> 0:00:31.560 No time to waste, Let's get to it. My first 0:00:31.600 --> 0:00:34.920 guest has lived the Crosstown Shootout as a player and 0:00:35.000 --> 0:00:37.440 as a broadcaster, going back to the early nineties and 0:00:37.520 --> 0:00:40.160 his final four bear Cats. He teams with Dan Horde 0:00:40.159 --> 0:00:42.800 on the call tonight coverage coming up here at seven o'clock. 0:00:43.080 --> 0:00:46.519 That means we are talking to nonether than Terry Nelson. 0:00:46.600 --> 0:00:47.839 T Now, how are you? 0:00:48.680 --> 0:00:49.320 What's going on? 0:00:49.400 --> 0:00:49.640 Brother? 0:00:49.920 --> 0:00:51.519 If it's noise hair, it's because I'm in the day 0:00:51.560 --> 0:00:52.320 of your media rooms. 0:00:52.320 --> 0:00:55.720 A bunch of people in here understood. Take me back. 0:00:55.760 --> 0:00:58.080 You arrived here in ninety one with Corey and Eric 0:00:58.120 --> 0:01:01.040 Martin from California, so I'm sure the the shootout was 0:01:01.080 --> 0:01:04.240 not on your radar. When did it really hit you 0:01:04.280 --> 0:01:05.640 in terms of just how. 0:01:05.440 --> 0:01:06.560 Big this game was? 0:01:07.840 --> 0:01:15.000 When I opened my mouth, when I over my mouth 0:01:15.080 --> 0:01:17.640 and said that we should blow him out. They don't 0:01:17.640 --> 0:01:19.360 have a chance, you know, across then shoot out of 0:01:19.400 --> 0:01:21.360 the Bible gang members going at it where I'm from, 0:01:21.400 --> 0:01:24.040 and I didn't think anything of it until the media 0:01:24.080 --> 0:01:26.320 storm hit. Like it was a really build up back then, 0:01:26.840 --> 0:01:29.760 and I'm like, wait a minute. Practice was harder, guys 0:01:29.760 --> 0:01:31.600 were you know, it was a little bit more intense 0:01:31.640 --> 0:01:34.000 from Huggins and he was already intense. And then when 0:01:34.480 --> 0:01:36.600 you know, we I didn't know wasn't supposed to talk 0:01:36.640 --> 0:01:38.680 trash when you're going into an environment like that. 0:01:38.800 --> 0:01:40.800 I never seen the environment like that before, and it 0:01:40.840 --> 0:01:41.280 was awesome. 0:01:42.760 --> 0:01:46.080 Day Day is the only player on either roster tonight 0:01:46.120 --> 0:01:49.080 who has played in and experienced this thing. If you 0:01:49.200 --> 0:01:52.240 could talk to this Bearcat group before the tip, what 0:01:52.240 --> 0:01:53.640 would you tell him about tonight? 0:01:54.720 --> 0:02:00.840 Use behave as energy because it's real. Use the hated energy. 0:02:01.080 --> 0:02:05.560 Use what they say as fans towards you. Don't take 0:02:05.600 --> 0:02:09.040 it personal. They're doing whatever they can do to try 0:02:09.080 --> 0:02:10.560 to get you out of your game in order to 0:02:12.120 --> 0:02:14.839 be successful. So a lot of players in their first 0:02:14.880 --> 0:02:18.240 time they get shocked by the crowd and how the 0:02:18.280 --> 0:02:20.600 crowd can be nasty and I'm like, man, this is 0:02:20.600 --> 0:02:23.040 the rivalry. So you're gonna hear stuff that you haven't 0:02:23.080 --> 0:02:25.840 heard before. Don't respond to it. The only way to 0:02:25.880 --> 0:02:27.760 respond to it. You can make them be quiet by 0:02:27.919 --> 0:02:31.160 by you know, running up to score terry. 0:02:31.160 --> 0:02:35.120 In a game where emotions run high, how big a 0:02:35.200 --> 0:02:37.760 role or what kind of role should the officials play 0:02:37.760 --> 0:02:37.960 in it? 0:02:39.320 --> 0:02:42.240 Stand away from it. You know, they keep going to 0:02:42.240 --> 0:02:43.000 talk about the fight. 0:02:43.360 --> 0:02:44.040 The fight was a. 0:02:44.000 --> 0:02:47.800 One time thing and there was some guardrails put in place. 0:02:47.840 --> 0:02:50.639 You know, you start playing down at the Heritage Bank 0:02:50.720 --> 0:02:52.840 Center for a couple of years, and you know, before 0:02:52.840 --> 0:02:54.800 you know it, it's you know, you're back on campuses 0:02:54.840 --> 0:02:56.919 and now they kind of come out and they can 0:02:56.960 --> 0:02:59.760 feel the energy and they want to call founds. They 0:02:59.760 --> 0:03:01.480 want to make sure they set the tone. It's like, no, 0:03:01.720 --> 0:03:03.639 this is not your game to set a tone. That 0:03:03.760 --> 0:03:08.040 the players set the tone. It's gonna be some physicality. 0:03:08.160 --> 0:03:11.040 There's gonna be some files that have missed uh, and 0:03:11.080 --> 0:03:12.520 hopefully they're missed on purpose. 0:03:12.680 --> 0:03:13.440 On both sides. 0:03:13.560 --> 0:03:16.919 Guys need to finish and when they when they finish, 0:03:17.320 --> 0:03:19.160 let the you know, rest just stay out the way. 0:03:19.200 --> 0:03:20.720 Don't try to put a commanding tone. 0:03:20.720 --> 0:03:22.520 On it, Terry. 0:03:22.520 --> 0:03:25.520 When you're the visitor in a game like this, how big? 0:03:25.919 --> 0:03:28.600 How big are the first like five minutes of maybe 0:03:28.680 --> 0:03:31.440 surviving that initial rush of energy and emotion. 0:03:32.919 --> 0:03:36.560 That's big because you know they're gonna come out pumped 0:03:37.080 --> 0:03:39.120 because they've been hearing about it. Nobody played in this 0:03:39.200 --> 0:03:41.400 game other than Dana, as you said, and so they're 0:03:41.400 --> 0:03:44.920 gonna feel this. They're gonna feel this energy. And if 0:03:44.920 --> 0:03:48.080 they can just withstand that first TV timeout, settle down, 0:03:48.880 --> 0:03:51.000 come back and run their stuff. Now, who knows since 0:03:51.080 --> 0:03:52.960 that it may come out to a big league. But 0:03:53.080 --> 0:03:54.440 if they do come out to a big league I 0:03:54.440 --> 0:03:57.320 hope they don't think it's over because whether guys have 0:03:57.400 --> 0:04:01.280 played in this or not, from Xavior, they know there's 0:04:01.320 --> 0:04:03.320 gonna be a run. It's some about this building. It's 0:04:03.320 --> 0:04:06.240 gonna be a run. It's gonna be a push this night. 0:04:06.240 --> 0:04:08.960 He can go up twenty and they just gonna make 0:04:08.960 --> 0:04:12.480 a push. Bearcats can be down ten and you know 0:04:12.520 --> 0:04:14.960 there's gonna be a push from the Bearcat. So just 0:04:15.600 --> 0:04:17.400 don't try to, you know, take the moment. 0:04:17.240 --> 0:04:19.119 Until the triple zeros in the second half. 0:04:19.760 --> 0:04:20.839 Don't think the game is over. 0:04:22.680 --> 0:04:26.080 I'm always uh I'm always curious and interested to see 0:04:26.120 --> 0:04:30.200 how freshmen specifically handle a game like this. Tell me 0:04:30.240 --> 0:04:33.240 about shot Abayev in terms of dealing with tonight in 0:04:33.279 --> 0:04:36.239 his makeup, Well, he's a big. 0:04:36.080 --> 0:04:40.200 Game player, and well as freshman, you just want consistency, 0:04:40.440 --> 0:04:42.200 and he's showing up in big games, and then you 0:04:42.200 --> 0:04:44.400 know he wants to show that he is the guy, 0:04:45.160 --> 0:04:49.000 and so he's gonna take tough shots and they're gonna 0:04:49.000 --> 0:04:51.760 look like bad shots when they miss. When they go in, 0:04:51.839 --> 0:04:54.000 you can be like unbelievable. And this guy has got 0:04:54.040 --> 0:04:58.040 every package you know, and those teams you love the 0:04:58.120 --> 0:05:00.159 shot selection when they go in, and you're scratch in 0:05:00.200 --> 0:05:04.320 your head when he misses. So if he can come 0:05:04.360 --> 0:05:06.200 out and you know, hit some shots, do what he's 0:05:06.200 --> 0:05:07.880 got to do early, it'll be great. 0:05:09.320 --> 0:05:13.080 Is there an aspect of this game, a matchup that 0:05:13.600 --> 0:05:16.440 fans should keep an eye on tonight that could dictate 0:05:16.520 --> 0:05:17.160 how this goes? 0:05:17.200 --> 0:05:17.720 In your mind? 0:05:18.680 --> 0:05:21.600 Yeah, if the Bearcats are defending the three, I mean 0:05:21.600 --> 0:05:23.640 this team is a three point shooting. 0:05:24.800 --> 0:05:25.680 They want to put them up. 0:05:26.960 --> 0:05:29.599 Ironically, the Bearcats will put up more threes and they're 0:05:29.600 --> 0:05:33.120 making more well, they're making about eleven Bearcats are making 0:05:33.160 --> 0:05:35.880 about nine and a half per game, and Javier's putting 0:05:35.960 --> 0:05:38.480 up some pretty good numbers as well. So you want 0:05:38.520 --> 0:05:40.720 to make sure you watch that how the Bearcats defend 0:05:40.800 --> 0:05:43.080 the three because I think the Bearcasts will rule the 0:05:43.120 --> 0:05:46.200 paint as far as shot blocking and rebounding around there. 0:05:46.560 --> 0:05:48.800 So what you want to watch out is are they 0:05:48.800 --> 0:05:51.039 filing on a three point line? Are they defending it 0:05:51.120 --> 0:05:54.279 without filing, and are they able to take those misses 0:05:54.279 --> 0:05:55.440 and turn them into points? 0:05:56.400 --> 0:05:58.719 Last question, great catching up with you, and as much 0:05:58.720 --> 0:06:00.599 as we've talked about all the differ for an aspect 0:06:00.600 --> 0:06:02.680 to this game, it always seems like there's somebody who 0:06:02.720 --> 0:06:04.799 turns into performance that nobody saw coming. 0:06:06.080 --> 0:06:07.000 It's exactly right. 0:06:07.400 --> 0:06:11.400 And I'm hoping this year for the Bearcat, I'm hoping 0:06:11.440 --> 0:06:13.680 that somebody like you know, Buck Harris, you know, get 0:06:13.760 --> 0:06:16.640 him like five steals and you know, get twelve to 0:06:16.720 --> 0:06:21.120 fifteen points in transition and attacking the basket, because he's 0:06:21.160 --> 0:06:24.280 a guy that's gonna constantly whether he thinks he can 0:06:24.320 --> 0:06:25.960 make it or not. He thinks he can get to 0:06:26.000 --> 0:06:29.560 the basket a lot. And if he can make his defense, know, 0:06:29.760 --> 0:06:31.240 maybe get us shoot the pass a lay and get 0:06:31.240 --> 0:06:33.720 a couple of steals. He sets the tone, so I 0:06:33.760 --> 0:06:36.040 wouldn't be surprised if there's a lineup change to start 0:06:36.080 --> 0:06:39.159 the game. I can't confirm anything, but if he's in 0:06:39.160 --> 0:06:41.320 the lineup and Chris is coming off the bench, Crease 0:06:41.400 --> 0:06:43.200 is coming off the bench, you. 0:06:43.200 --> 0:06:43.880 May see him. 0:06:44.400 --> 0:06:46.560 You almost have to keep him on a chain, so 0:06:46.640 --> 0:06:48.520 to speak, because he just he wants to go out 0:06:48.520 --> 0:06:50.920 there and take every ball, and you have to make 0:06:50.960 --> 0:06:54.159 sure you tell him to play nice discipline defense, still 0:06:54.160 --> 0:06:56.640 be strong and aggressive, but don't go out there just 0:06:56.680 --> 0:06:58.240 like a pit bull. And you put a piece of 0:06:58.279 --> 0:06:59.680 steak in front of him. But the chain that's not 0:06:59.720 --> 0:07:02.200 long for him to get it. He's gonna be going 0:07:02.279 --> 0:07:05.640 after it, after it, so he's gonna be pumped up. 0:07:07.080 --> 0:07:09.680 We were forty five minutes from broadcast, I mean, so 0:07:09.920 --> 0:07:13.480 prog deal me that I pad the best to Dan 0:07:13.560 --> 0:07:15.000 and moat broadcasting. 0:07:15.320 --> 0:07:17.760 Right, all right, yep, appreciate your brother. 0:07:20.520 --> 0:07:20.960 There you go. 0:07:21.320 --> 0:07:25.640 Alright, know he's got call with U a pluck. 0:07:26.760 --> 0:07:30.920 Two after seven thirty all right, still ahead, We've got 0:07:31.040 --> 0:07:34.040 some headlines to get to. Six thirty five. Will get 0:07:34.040 --> 0:07:37.119 the xavier perspective on this. Talk about somebody who's played 0:07:37.120 --> 0:07:39.920 in it. Talk about somebody who's been a longtime college 0:07:39.960 --> 0:07:44.680 basketball analyst. Steve Wolfe will check in at the bottom 0:07:44.800 --> 0:07:46.560 of the hour, and if I time this right, wait 0:07:46.640 --> 0:07:48.960 till you hear what's coming up at six point fifty tonight. 0:07:49.080 --> 0:07:52.480 It was originally done in nineteen ninety five. It was 0:07:52.560 --> 0:07:56.160 called by Marty Brennaman and Derek Dickey. It was the 0:07:56.280 --> 0:08:00.840 Fantasy Crosstown Shootout. You are going to hear a portion 0:08:01.000 --> 0:08:04.520 of that coming up around six fifty tonight as we continue. 0:08:04.520 --> 0:08:07.239 We're up and running on a Friday night, heading towards 0:08:07.240 --> 0:08:10.320 a showdown on RNL Carrier Sports Talk presented by Kelsey 0:08:10.400 --> 0:08:14.880 Chevrolet seven hundred WLW. Show will begin the bottom portion 0:08:14.960 --> 0:08:17.080 of the back half of the hour with Steve wolf 0:08:17.080 --> 0:08:20.440 talking Musketeers, let's get some headlines college basketball. It is, 0:08:20.480 --> 0:08:23.640 in fact the ninety third Crossdown Shootout. Tonight, Bearcats try 0:08:23.680 --> 0:08:25.800 to win at Centaz Center for the first time since 0:08:25.840 --> 0:08:29.200 two thousand and one. You see coverage starts at seven 0:08:29.240 --> 0:08:32.040 with Dan and Terry Xavier, coverage with Joe and Byron 0:08:32.080 --> 0:08:35.960 at seven on fifty five KRC. Xavier a one and 0:08:36.000 --> 0:08:39.480 a half point favorite at last check also Tonight college 0:08:39.520 --> 0:08:44.960 hoops Gonzaga at Kentucky coverage underway on ESPN fifteen thirty. 0:08:45.000 --> 0:08:48.000 Tomorrow the dock that includes Drew Western, Heidi's Dayton Flyers 0:08:48.120 --> 0:08:52.559 at Virginia. Miami welcomes Maine. IU takes on Louisville and 0:08:52.800 --> 0:08:56.600 Indy nku is at Purdue Fort Wayne. The Norris riding 0:08:56.600 --> 0:09:00.679 a six game winning streak, seeking their first a seven 0:09:00.760 --> 0:09:04.520 game winning streak in the Division one era of Norse Basketball. 0:09:04.600 --> 0:09:07.560 Norse playing some good hoops. Bengals continued working the Bills 0:09:07.559 --> 0:09:11.040 today and Sunday's matchup in Orchard Park. T Higgins is 0:09:11.080 --> 0:09:15.240 a go. He's clear concussion protocol. Trey Hendrickson is not 0:09:15.480 --> 0:09:19.800 a go. He will miss his fifth consecutive game. College football, 0:09:19.800 --> 0:09:23.280 it's a conference championship weekend showdown as in Indy number 0:09:23.320 --> 0:09:26.520 one Ohio State versus number two Indiana for the Big 0:09:26.559 --> 0:09:31.400 Ten Championship eight o'clock kick from Lucas Oil Stadium. Miami 0:09:31.440 --> 0:09:33.920 plays for the MAC Championship tomorrow, best ealct to Chuck 0:09:33.960 --> 0:09:36.960 Martin and the RedHawks. In Detroit, they take on Western 0:09:37.000 --> 0:09:41.400 Michigan for a noon kick. Another college football note, Chris 0:09:41.440 --> 0:09:45.040 Henry Junior the number one high school wide receiver in 0:09:45.080 --> 0:09:49.559 the country makes it official he signs with Ohio State. 0:09:49.880 --> 0:09:50.880 That was his intention. 0:09:51.040 --> 0:09:53.560 Then earlier in the week, Brian Hartline, the OC and 0:09:53.720 --> 0:09:56.480 his position coach at Ohio State, left to take the 0:09:56.559 --> 0:10:00.400 USF job. He momentarily paused to collect his thoughts, survey 0:10:00.480 --> 0:10:04.600 the landscape and the situation, and again today decided he 0:10:04.600 --> 0:10:08.400 would in fact stick with the Ohio State University Buckeyes. 0:10:08.440 --> 0:10:10.680 The High School Football Tonight show is underway on Fox 0:10:10.679 --> 0:10:13.840 Sports thirteen sixty. 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Digitized today, prepare your business 0:10:53.960 --> 0:10:59.360 for unexpected risk. Visit momnet dot com. Podcast this week 0:10:59.360 --> 0:11:02.839 includes my conversation with Bill Rabinowitz, author of a new 0:11:02.840 --> 0:11:05.520 Ohio state book, excellent read. He covers the buck Guys 0:11:05.559 --> 0:11:08.319 on a daily basis. Talked about the Buckeyes run this year, 0:11:08.400 --> 0:11:11.480 Chris Welsh talking some reds baseball, got his reaction to 0:11:11.520 --> 0:11:15.360 Emilio Pagan and the rumors swirling around. Kyle Schwarber and 0:11:15.679 --> 0:11:18.840 Brandon Seo, formerly of News five Now The Mental Game, 0:11:19.200 --> 0:11:22.040 all checking in and available for you to listen to 0:11:22.200 --> 0:11:25.400 on your time through the podcast seven hundred WLW dot 0:11:25.400 --> 0:11:29.320 com and the iHeartRadio app. I mentioned it has been 0:11:29.360 --> 0:11:32.160 since two thousand and one that you see one at 0:11:32.160 --> 0:11:35.840 Centas Center. They dropped ten straight there that, if you're counting, 0:11:35.920 --> 0:11:39.280 is eight thousand, seven hundred and fifty seven days ago 0:11:39.679 --> 0:11:43.120 that you see one at Centas. It was seventy five 0:11:43.320 --> 0:11:45.760 fifty five in that game. That was a Bob Huggins 0:11:45.840 --> 0:11:48.800 team versus Thad mana in his first season. And you 0:11:48.840 --> 0:11:53.160 talk about going into something wide eyed and feeling instantly. 0:11:52.800 --> 0:11:55.079 Like, oh, this is what everybody meant. 0:11:55.520 --> 0:11:59.079 That was Thad in that matchup, Bearcats had a senior 0:11:59.400 --> 0:12:04.240 in Steve Logan, junior Leonard Stokes. Jason Maxiel was a freshman. 0:12:04.440 --> 0:12:07.280 That team went thirty one and four, lost in the 0:12:07.320 --> 0:12:09.480 second round of the tournament to UCLA. That was the 0:12:09.520 --> 0:12:12.000 wild one like one oh five, one oh one if 0:12:12.000 --> 0:12:14.760 I remember correctly, and Leonard Stokes had like thirty eight 0:12:14.800 --> 0:12:18.520 in that game. The Musketeers, Kevin Frye was a senior, 0:12:19.600 --> 0:12:26.080 David West a junior, Romain Soado and Lionel Chalmers were sophomores, 0:12:26.480 --> 0:12:30.520 and that addition to the Musketeers went twenty six and six. 0:12:31.120 --> 0:12:35.600 They lost in the second round to Oklahoma that season 0:12:35.760 --> 0:12:41.000 December fourteenth, two thousand and one. Ten straight losses there 0:12:41.000 --> 0:12:46.960 for the Bearcats again, approaching nine thousand days since the 0:12:47.040 --> 0:12:53.319 last win on visitors home court. All right, still ahead, 0:12:53.760 --> 0:12:56.600 Steve Wolf's gonna check in, and then at seven point fifty, 0:12:56.760 --> 0:13:01.200 I've I've got the entire game on the podcast page 0:13:01.200 --> 0:13:02.880 if you want to listen, We're going to play a 0:13:02.880 --> 0:13:08.120 little bit of the nineteen ninety five Fantasy Crosstown Shootout. 0:13:08.480 --> 0:13:13.359 Marty called it, along with Derek Dickey, it is fabulous. 0:13:13.520 --> 0:13:16.920 It was all a computer simulation that they turned into 0:13:16.920 --> 0:13:20.400 a broadcast and it aired here on seven hundred WLW. 0:13:20.520 --> 0:13:23.080 You're going to hear all of that well in podcast 0:13:23.160 --> 0:13:25.680 form a portion of it at six point fifty. 0:13:25.760 --> 0:13:27.840 It's ahead RNL Carrier Sports Talk. 0:13:28.040 --> 0:13:31.040 It is presented by Kelsey Chevrolet, and it's right here 0:13:31.080 --> 0:13:35.280 on seven hundred WLW. RS Asian Role and we gotta 0:13:35.320 --> 0:13:37.640 go coverage coming up top for the hour. My next 0:13:37.640 --> 0:13:40.679 guest the Saint X Guy, the former Musketeer co captain, 0:13:41.000 --> 0:13:43.200 longtime college basketball analysts. 0:13:43.280 --> 0:13:43.720 He's called a. 0:13:43.679 --> 0:13:46.319 Couple of Musketeer games earlier this season. Part of one 0:13:46.320 --> 0:13:48.679 of Cincinnati's greatest sports families. 0:13:48.720 --> 0:13:51.520 He is Steve Wolf. How are you. 0:13:53.360 --> 0:13:57.760 I'm doing great, Lance, just enjoying this eighty five degree weather, 0:13:57.840 --> 0:14:01.079 but missing out on the same XT game and the 0:14:01.200 --> 0:14:04.560 Xavier U See game and the Xavier Michigan volleyball game. 0:14:04.679 --> 0:14:07.240 So hey, it's what happened when you get. 0:14:07.080 --> 0:14:10.040 Old, no doubt, no doubt, great hair in your voice. 0:14:10.280 --> 0:14:12.920 Take me back in time. Let's go early eighties and 0:14:12.960 --> 0:14:15.319 take me into the huddle for a Bob Stack coach 0:14:15.440 --> 0:14:17.880 team in a game like this. What were the emotions 0:14:17.880 --> 0:14:20.120 for the Crosstown shootout in those Huddles. 0:14:21.240 --> 0:14:23.280 Well, you know, when I grew up, it wasn't that 0:14:23.280 --> 0:14:25.320 big of a deal. I mean, you know, it wasn't 0:14:25.440 --> 0:14:29.200 very well attended. Bob Stack and Ed Badger really took 0:14:29.200 --> 0:14:31.400 it to another level. So Stack was one of those 0:14:31.400 --> 0:14:36.800 guys that was emotional. He played the part. And I 0:14:36.880 --> 0:14:39.600 just remember the first the first game I was involved 0:14:39.640 --> 0:14:42.640 with in seventy nine, I think it was seventy nine. 0:14:43.200 --> 0:14:45.240 You know, we're up by nine points and there's like, 0:14:45.400 --> 0:14:48.080 you know, I don't know, fifty seconds left and Stack 0:14:48.160 --> 0:14:50.760 called a time out. We're winning, and he calls a 0:14:50.800 --> 0:14:53.120 time out and gets everybody close together and he goes, 0:14:53.400 --> 0:14:56.920 you know, whatever it was, you know, fifty nine seconds 0:14:57.000 --> 0:14:59.600 left and we own this city. And he said it 0:14:59.640 --> 0:15:03.440 really for language, a lot of f bombs and a 0:15:03.520 --> 0:15:06.200 lot of other but you know, it became one of 0:15:06.200 --> 0:15:11.920 those things because rivalries aren't rivalries unless both teams can win. 0:15:12.560 --> 0:15:14.800 And at that point in time, you see it once 0:15:14.840 --> 0:15:18.120 seven in a row, and so we finally broke that string. 0:15:18.520 --> 0:15:21.120 I think coach Stack was maybe two and two or 0:15:21.560 --> 0:15:24.920 in his career against U see. But those are the things. 0:15:24.960 --> 0:15:26.760 You have to win a couple of games to make 0:15:26.760 --> 0:15:29.520 it a rivalry, and back then, there were a lot 0:15:29.560 --> 0:15:32.560 of players from Cincinnati on both of the teams. You know, 0:15:32.640 --> 0:15:34.880 Bobby Austin was there, Doug Schlomer was in north of 0:15:34.960 --> 0:15:37.920 Kentuckian over there, and you know, and we had Gary 0:15:37.960 --> 0:15:40.040 Mass and we had Joe Shown, So we had a 0:15:40.080 --> 0:15:43.320 lot of guys on our team from Cincinnati. It's a 0:15:43.320 --> 0:15:46.520 little different this year. I mean, I think I know, 0:15:46.560 --> 0:15:47.320 in fact, they walked. 0:15:48.840 --> 0:15:51.360 It was going to be Yeah, my follow up was 0:15:51.400 --> 0:15:53.680 going to be, there's not a single Musketeer that's actually 0:15:53.800 --> 0:15:56.240 played in this game. If you were talking to him 0:15:56.320 --> 0:15:58.080 right now in the locker room, what would you tell 0:15:58.120 --> 0:15:59.200 them about this game? 0:16:01.640 --> 0:16:04.120 You know, I think you have to look at it 0:16:04.200 --> 0:16:07.400 like you're playing an NCAA tournament game. Uh And that's 0:16:07.440 --> 0:16:09.760 why the coaches really like to have it earlier in 0:16:09.800 --> 0:16:12.400 the season, because it does take a lot of emotion 0:16:12.480 --> 0:16:14.720 out of you. But I would say that this game 0:16:14.760 --> 0:16:18.960 is going to come down to defense, rebounding points in 0:16:19.000 --> 0:16:24.240 the paint, and uh. As Bob Stack would say, watching 0:16:24.880 --> 0:16:27.880 the earlier games for Xavier, the first couple of games 0:16:27.880 --> 0:16:29.680 and then watching some of the latter games, so you 0:16:29.760 --> 0:16:32.480 see it may be a battle of the unarmed opponents. 0:16:33.640 --> 0:16:37.720 I'm not sure what's going to happen, you know, because 0:16:38.040 --> 0:16:40.160 if Xavier shoots the ball the way they've been shooting, 0:16:40.320 --> 0:16:44.880 it could be, you know, a really big win for Xavier. 0:16:44.920 --> 0:16:47.520 By the same token. You see, he's got great players, 0:16:47.840 --> 0:16:49.680 uh and the only they only have one guy that's 0:16:49.680 --> 0:16:52.960 played in this crossdown shootout is from when I think 0:16:53.000 --> 0:16:54.800 it's day eight is the only one who's played in it. 0:16:55.240 --> 0:16:58.920 But you know, you expect unexpected in these games. You know, 0:16:58.960 --> 0:17:01.520 I remember Trayvon Blue had forty points, but you were 0:17:02.160 --> 0:17:05.000 the shoemaker and you see won that game. But you know, 0:17:05.119 --> 0:17:07.639 who would have thought Trayvon would have had forty points 0:17:07.680 --> 0:17:09.199 in a game like that that he did and that 0:17:09.280 --> 0:17:11.679 sort of propelled him to get better and better. You know, 0:17:11.760 --> 0:17:14.560 I think you have to look, you know, as our coaches, 0:17:14.560 --> 0:17:17.560 you just say, do the ordinary thing extraordinarily well, so 0:17:17.640 --> 0:17:19.919 you've got to be fundamentalness game, and you have to 0:17:19.960 --> 0:17:22.120 take the crowd out of it. You have to take 0:17:22.160 --> 0:17:24.080 your emotion out of it. And it's very hard for 0:17:24.480 --> 0:17:27.320 eighteen to twenty two or that's when I played, But 0:17:27.359 --> 0:17:30.960 now eighteen to twenty six year old guys, you know, 0:17:30.960 --> 0:17:34.240 how do you take the emotion out of it. But 0:17:34.840 --> 0:17:37.920 I still think it's probably one of the last bashions 0:17:37.920 --> 0:17:42.119 of college real college basketball, now that they have NIL 0:17:42.200 --> 0:17:45.400 and transfer portal, because everybody on both sides of the 0:17:45.400 --> 0:17:49.280 defence here understand how important this is. You know, to 0:17:49.280 --> 0:17:51.359 get a win. Now, it doesn't mean anything for the 0:17:51.720 --> 0:17:54.280 you know, for your your league, but it does mean 0:17:54.560 --> 0:17:56.439 you get bragging rights. 0:17:56.960 --> 0:18:00.640 You had Xavier earlier in the year. They have seemingly 0:18:00.720 --> 0:18:03.040 come a long way since the Santa Clara laws. 0:18:03.080 --> 0:18:05.440 What has helped lead that turnaround? In your mind? 0:18:07.200 --> 0:18:09.679 Well, I got to say, and not to be a homer. 0:18:09.840 --> 0:18:11.520 I try to do games where I'm not a homer. 0:18:11.560 --> 0:18:16.080 But I'm really impressed with Richard Patino. He's always sort 0:18:16.119 --> 0:18:19.119 of been in his own self, comfortable in his own shoes. 0:18:19.480 --> 0:18:21.600 I've done a lot of his games in the past before. 0:18:22.560 --> 0:18:25.200 He never really got upset. And I watched that. I'm like, man, 0:18:25.240 --> 0:18:29.720 I'd be really disgusted watching Marathon and Lemoine, but he wasn't. 0:18:30.000 --> 0:18:32.920 And he saw certain things and he knew that effort 0:18:33.000 --> 0:18:35.720 wasn't there. He needed to get guys to play effort. 0:18:35.960 --> 0:18:38.639 He also knew that he didn't have the right point 0:18:38.640 --> 0:18:41.359 guard situation. Roddy Anderson is a really good player, but 0:18:41.720 --> 0:18:44.440 he's a two guard, and they've done a good job 0:18:44.520 --> 0:18:48.600 of having Messina Moore and Alright to handle that point, 0:18:48.600 --> 0:18:50.480 and they take care of the ball. The Cina Moore 0:18:50.520 --> 0:18:53.320 has him been scoring great, but he's doing a yoma's 0:18:53.400 --> 0:18:58.840 job rebounding and facilitating. So I think that and you 0:18:58.880 --> 0:19:01.040 have to look at people talk about Santa Clara. They 0:19:01.119 --> 0:19:04.919 got a Hall of Fame coach there, an actual MENSIS member. 0:19:05.800 --> 0:19:07.679 He's so smart and he's such a good coach. And 0:19:08.119 --> 0:19:10.800 you know, they took down Steve Alfred Nevada like the 0:19:10.840 --> 0:19:13.959 next week, and then you see those Xavier guys started saying, well, 0:19:14.000 --> 0:19:17.440 maybe they weren't that bad, but even a dream team. 0:19:17.480 --> 0:19:20.160 They have thirteen new guys and Hall of famers and 0:19:20.440 --> 0:19:22.640 Hall of Fame coaches. But you know, the first couple 0:19:22.640 --> 0:19:25.919 of games they lost to college all stars. So you 0:19:26.080 --> 0:19:28.240 have to take it and put in perspective. I think 0:19:28.280 --> 0:19:34.080 that progress and development are way overlooked in these days now, 0:19:34.200 --> 0:19:36.480 but I think that's important. And they've gotten better and 0:19:36.520 --> 0:19:37.320 better every game. 0:19:39.040 --> 0:19:40.480 It is great here in your voice. 0:19:40.840 --> 0:19:43.359 I really appreciate you letting me bug you tonight on 0:19:43.440 --> 0:19:46.080 all nights of leading into the showdown. It was great 0:19:46.119 --> 0:19:48.560 to catch up with Teneil to start and add you 0:19:48.600 --> 0:19:51.560 to booke in with some Xavier conversation. Please extend my 0:19:51.880 --> 0:19:54.080 best to your family and then enjoy your weekend. 0:19:54.119 --> 0:19:59.320 All right, absolutely, and go Muskies and go Bombers. 0:20:00.000 --> 0:20:00.879 It's good. Thanks Steve. 0:20:02.280 --> 0:20:04.120 Thank what there you go? 0:20:04.240 --> 0:20:11.040 Steve Wolf, mister hoops, former Musketeer, long time broadcaster, did 0:20:11.080 --> 0:20:14.280 the Xavier games early on and has done games here 0:20:14.320 --> 0:20:16.280 on the back end even after retirement. 0:20:16.280 --> 0:20:18.439 He's in Boca. If you're wondering where it's where is 0:20:18.440 --> 0:20:18.679 he that? 0:20:18.720 --> 0:20:22.600 It's eighty five bocha these days, but love the stories 0:20:22.640 --> 0:20:26.160 of Bob Stacke. We're fifty nine seconds away from blankety 0:20:26.160 --> 0:20:29.960 blank owning this city. When we come back, we will 0:20:30.000 --> 0:20:33.359