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Speaker 1: You want to be an American?

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Speaker 2: Want to here, seven hundred dollars you parked illegal?

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Speaker 1: You pay? And guess what just got rob.

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Speaker 2: We have a parking scam going on in America right now.

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Speaker 2: On that is Attorney Carry Lutz, who's investigator also wrote

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Speaker 2: a book about it.

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Speaker 1: Carry, how are you doing great? And appreciate you helping

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Speaker 1: to get the word out on this. It is a

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Speaker 1: multi billion dollar scam that they soak us for five,

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Speaker 1: ten fifty dollars at a time. You don't even realize

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Speaker 1: that you're being taken. Many of the signs throughout the country,

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Speaker 1: signs that say scam here to pay aren't legal. They

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Speaker 1: aren't legal. They can't be writing tickets based on these signs.

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Speaker 1: Signs in America street signs are strictly governed by the MUTCD,

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Speaker 1: the law that you have been living by your whole life.

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Speaker 1: You never even heard about it. It's the manual on

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Speaker 1: uniform and emphasize uniform traffic control devices. Just substitute signs

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Speaker 1: for traffic control devices. A sign is a traffic control

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Speaker 1: device if and only if it conforms to federal standards.

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Speaker 1: Every state has adopted this law and they can't write

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Speaker 1: a ticket yet. They do every single day of the week.

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Speaker 1: If the sign doesn't conform, and you all know the

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Speaker 1: signs you've seen that.

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Speaker 2: You just assume because say they have QR codes on them. Now,

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Speaker 2: so carry out illegal As far as Cincinnati goes, we

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Speaker 2: know cities across the country they've they've kind of privatized

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Speaker 2: parking enforcement to tech companies basically, and you mentioned the

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Speaker 2: signage clear sign is lawful noticeers app based contractors, but

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Speaker 2: they also harvest your data. There's the penalty systemic will

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Speaker 2: confuse rather than form, So it's kind of like this

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Speaker 2: constitutional grazon. Now, I will say that Cincinnati has not

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Speaker 2: yet fully outsourced our parking enforcement the way places like

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Speaker 2: well Chicago or Pittsburgh have. So we hit the cubs

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Speaker 2: and we hit the bucks.

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Speaker 1: So there you go.

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Speaker 2: Is run by the Parking Division of Cincinnati. Now they

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Speaker 2: push the pay by Phone app, but that's a private

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Speaker 2: third party platform that's operating a bunch of cities. And

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Speaker 2: they also have the Sinsey Easy Park app for ebeit payment,

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Speaker 2: which I use. But drivers he are still interact with

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Speaker 2: private apps to pay meters. It's not as bad as

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Speaker 2: other cities, but it feels like a slippery slop like

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Speaker 2: it might be heading that.

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Speaker 1: Way, it's getting there. When a city adopts an app,

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Speaker 1: they find that their revenues from parking, both fees and

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Speaker 1: violations go up forty to one hundred and sixty percent

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Speaker 1: just from the app. And one other thing about the app.

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Speaker 1: You know, and I know there are millions of miners

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Speaker 1: driving the nation's highways. They get their licenses, some as

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Speaker 1: early as fifteen. I think in a least of fourteen

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Speaker 1: and up to seventeen. You're a minor. You can't enter

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Speaker 1: into contracts. That's why a bank will not loan a

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Speaker 1: child money. And uh, the when you actually download the

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Speaker 1: app and click I accept, you are saying I waive

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Speaker 1: my right to trial by jury, I wave my right

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Speaker 1: to enter into a class action. I consent to have

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Speaker 1: my data shared with God knows how many different partners

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Speaker 1: that these apps are. I mean, it's a question of

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Speaker 1: who don't they share your data with park Mobile. You

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Speaker 1: can sent to have your data stored in foreign countries.

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Speaker 1: And for miners, they're getting the geolocation, the exact location

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Speaker 1: this is is just unconscionable. It's unacceptable. They endanger miners potentially,

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Speaker 1: but they shouldn't be entering into contract and many states

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Speaker 1: the platform. I've written takedown notices to Google App Store

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Speaker 1: four years and up, which means anybody can use it,

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Speaker 1: and yet you're you're allowing miners to consent to sharing data.

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Speaker 1: It's illegal, out and out. I've also sent complaints to

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Speaker 1: the FTC, the Florida Attorney General, the Texas Attorney General,

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Speaker 1: a number of others, the SEC because they're issuing bonds

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Speaker 1: backed by parking revenues that are illegally illegal revenue streams.

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Speaker 2: So when you said the signs themselves are are legal,

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Speaker 2: like the QR code on the signs? First of all,

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Speaker 1: Why isn't okay? So when you have a city owned

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Speaker 1: some extent with the federal guidelines, but on street parking

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Speaker 1: oncoming traffic. How many signs have you seen that are

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Speaker 1: of it is uniformity, so that if you're in Alaska

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Speaker 1: you can see a sign. You don't have to think

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Speaker 2: Does that technical evy to gate the law? The enforcement law?

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, because if the sign's defective, that is your due process,

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Speaker 2: Cincinnati uses we have the Cincinnati Easy Park app. But

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Speaker 2: also there's pay by Phone, which is a third party

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Speaker 2: app and it's in well over a thousand cities. Well,

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Speaker 2: who owns the data collected when a Cincinnati driver or

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Speaker 2: a suburban driver, out of time driver goes in parks

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Speaker 1: What can I do with it? That's a great question. Now,

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Speaker 1: really effectively, this is a big tech solution for a

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Speaker 1: simple problem. So pretty much the app owns the data.

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Speaker 1: This city might be able to obtain the data or

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Speaker 1: certain portions of it, but the app owns the data.

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Speaker 1: They own your data. And look in the we remember Obamacare.

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Speaker 1: going to find you. And the Supreme Court said that's okay,

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Speaker 1: because you do have a choice. But for instance, in

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Speaker 1: the winter White House in that town, they have done

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Speaker 1: away with all other forms of payment. So in other words,

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Speaker 1: into a private contract. And that's what all of them

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Speaker 1: pay stations. They want you to use the app, and

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Speaker 1: they force you into a private contract. That's called coerced

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Speaker 1: so you have to pay to pay to park because

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Speaker 1: they charge you a convenience fee. I don't know who

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Speaker 1: it's convenient for, whether it's for them or for you.

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Speaker 1: But look, it's all on live site parkscam dot com.

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Speaker 1: The book is there, and I think you know, it's

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Speaker 1: been allowed to fester for too long. Originally, parking meters

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Speaker 1: served a valid purpose, and that was they didn't want

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Speaker 2: They went to squat and there basically get treated like

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Speaker 2: and it's now it's turned to well, I think I

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Speaker 2: think Chicago is a great example they've knew this for

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Speaker 2: the disaster. But uh, that is like how it gets

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Speaker 2: sold to councils. And you know, we're always looking for money,

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Speaker 2: right the city of Cincinnati, we need money. We sold

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Speaker 2: have been ill repaired for twenty plus years. This feels

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Speaker 2: some money off this thing? Much money, much like Ohio

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Speaker 2: did before they passed long these law which which outlawed

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Speaker 2: these speed cameras, and so you know, you'd go through

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Speaker 2: didn't even know alw was driving the car, and you know,

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Speaker 2: we're paying these exorbitant fees and you couldn't fight it

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Speaker 2: because there's some odd of state po box and that

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Speaker 2: got struck down in Ohio smartly enough. This sounds like

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Speaker 2: it's like the next incarnation of that.

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Speaker 1: I'm hoping it will be. I've sued the six municipalities.

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Speaker 1: I sued three parking apps in the US District Court

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Speaker 1: Florida Department of Transportation, they've been very upset about street

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Speaker 1: art that it's not a traffic control device, it's illegal,

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Speaker 1: and it's issued an opinion said all illegal traffic control

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Speaker 1: devices need to be immediately removed because they're a danger

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Speaker 1: to the road. And yet these parking signs are abundant

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Speaker 1: and the towns the cities view them as free money.

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Speaker 1: But in the end they really injure merchants. Downtowns were

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Speaker 1: And the more they this is just an extra active system.

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Speaker 1: They provide you no value, all right, no value whatsoever

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Speaker 1: hogging all the all the retail, right, yeah, yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 1: And private parking that's a private matter between you and

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Speaker 1: the owner of the garage. But when they use an app,

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Speaker 1: use the app, all right, so you have a choice,

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Speaker 1: so I won't park there. But for children getting their

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Speaker 1: data shared, and basically the app is a data harvesting tool.

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Speaker 1: Would you believe that the app actually creates or has

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Speaker 1: the ability to create a behavioral profile of the user.

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Speaker 1: They know when you go to work, they know whenever

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Speaker 1: they market to you these app companies. I get monthly

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Speaker 1: emails from park Mobile saying join the private park Mobile

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Speaker 1: Club and you two can you know? It does the

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Speaker 1: thing that every app should do, which is, if you're

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Speaker 1: their private club app does that, and they don't charge

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Speaker 1: convenience fees, but they're regular app that the general public

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Speaker 1: it for the people paying, why can't they do it

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Speaker 1: for the people who are who are just there casually.

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Speaker 2: Carry lots at parkscam dot com and not bad yet.

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Speaker 2: Here in Cincinnati, we're talking about the pay by phone app.

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Speaker 2: Since the easy park is meter payment here in the

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Speaker 2: city has that and everything's enforced by the Parking Division BUD.

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Speaker 2: The pay by phone is being used in some lots

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Speaker 2: in other areas, and it's kind of like Mission Creep,

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Speaker 2: and the idea here is you're forced to enter a

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Speaker 2: third party contract outside the scope of Cincinnati, much like

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Speaker 2: we did with speed cameras, where even if you follow

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Speaker 2: the signs and think you parked legally, you can still

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Speaker 2: get a ticket. How does that actually happen though it

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Speaker 2: sign says I can park here at park, I pay,

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Speaker 2: and I still get a ticket. What's going on?

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Speaker 1: Well, you think the sign says that, and a lot

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Speaker 1: of tickets are actually thrown out when people take the time,

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Speaker 1: when you take the time to actually challenge them and

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Speaker 1: the parking enforcement officer what we used to affectionately called

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Speaker 1: meter maids. They don't know the law generally any better

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Speaker 1: than you do. All they do is scan your plate.

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Speaker 1: The thing says violation, create ticket, and that's what they do.

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Speaker 1: It's more and more an automated process. They even have

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Speaker 1: cameras that clock you when you come in and then

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Speaker 1: when you leave, and if you stay two minutes over

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Speaker 1: you get a violation. So all of it is just

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Speaker 1: it's just gotten to the point where it's just totally extracted.

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Speaker 1: It just provides no value and it needs to stop.

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Speaker 2: You mentioned that there's like a constancial gray zone that

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Speaker 2: no regular or wants to claim jurisdiction at the federal

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Speaker 2: state are here in sincinnat the local level. So how

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Speaker 2: does that? What's the gray zone? And who should be

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Speaker 2: mine in the store? Why aren't they?

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Speaker 1: Well, it's every So the NUTCD that's the Bible of

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Speaker 1: the road. It's twelve hundred thick pages of every sign,

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Speaker 1: speed limits, of traffic lights, you name it, markings on curbs,

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Speaker 1: et cetera. And in it every state has had to

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Speaker 1: adopt it. They passed laws generally, and so basically in Florida,

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Speaker 1: the Florida Department of Exportation is responsible to see that

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Speaker 1: this thing is carried out and they have the ability

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Speaker 1: as well as the Feds, to say, you're not complying

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Speaker 1: with the manual, you're losing highway funds. And that's what

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Speaker 1: Florida is doing with the street art, getting the cities

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Speaker 1: to remove the street art, saying this is a traffic

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Speaker 1: control device and it doesn't comply and you're losing your money.

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Speaker 1: And it's millions of dollars a city like Fort Lauderdale.

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Speaker 1: So every every state has the ability to actually implement

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Speaker 1: this and force these cities to comply with the law.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but they're making money off it. That's the whole driver,

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Speaker 2: this thing which asks the begs the question. More and

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Speaker 2: more cities each day must be privatizing the parking apps

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Speaker 2: and things like that because they're making money.

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Speaker 1: Right. Oh, of course, there is an area in a

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Speaker 1: city here called Riviera Beach, Singer Island, very plush, and

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Speaker 1: they implemented a parking system in a lot that forever

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Speaker 1: had been free, and the prices are outrageous. This is

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Speaker 1: what started me off on the whole thing. And they

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Speaker 1: figured they could bring in a couple million dollars a year. Well,

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Speaker 1: except they privatized the entire system where city employees don't

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Speaker 1: even write the tickets. It's the private employees write the

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Speaker 1: ticket and they and then the judge, jury and executioner.

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Speaker 1: They actually they actually there's an ammunication portal and you

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Speaker 1: basically if you want to challenge the ticket, you go

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Speaker 1: to this site and then you have to struggle to

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Speaker 1: find the link that says challenge this ticket, and then

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Speaker 1: they decide whether or not you have a valid plane,

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Speaker 1: and then they want to charge you for an arbitrator

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Speaker 1: if you don't agree with their decision.

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Speaker 2: But it sounds like it sounds almost exactly like the

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Speaker 2: speed camera thing.

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Speaker 1: We had here.

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Speaker 2: It's a profit center. It's not about public right away

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Speaker 2: and enforcement. He's carry Lutz for more on this. It's

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Speaker 2: parkscam dot com, America's great parking scam, parkscam dot com,

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Speaker 2: carry lots. Thanks for the time, appreciate it anytime.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for having me on.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the interesting part. But again, you know, Cincinnat, we're

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Speaker 2: not yet fully outsourcing this. We do have the since

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Speaker 2: the easy park app, which I think as far as

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Speaker 2: I can tell someone about the city, but they do

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Speaker 2: push the pay by phone app, which is a private,

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Speaker 2: third party platform like Carry's talking about here. So it's

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Speaker 2: a mission creep for Warners Forum especially. I mean, you're

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Speaker 2: going to a Reds game in Pittsburgh or Chicago or

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Speaker 2: other cities, they have this there, so just FYI. Scott's

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