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Speaker 4: Indeed back and Chris Maddel kind enough to join us

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Speaker 4: in studio Bradshawn, Brian Kaffe in text line is open

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Speaker 4: at six four six eight six. It sounded like there

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Speaker 4: were little communication problems getting you up here, but we

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Speaker 3: You got the mic schooling. That's good. Yeah, thanks for

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Speaker 3: coming in.

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Speaker 4: I know you're under a siege right now and done

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Speaker 4: a lot of interviews, and we appreciate you giving us

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Speaker 4: a time because it's always better if possible in studio

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Speaker 4: and location once you know it is really not that

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Speaker 4: bad for you as well. Where do we begin? I'll start.

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Speaker 4: I guess this way you made you dropped the video?

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Speaker 2: Was it yesterday morning tennis or early at eight am?

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Speaker 3: Eight am? So that's a day and a half ago.

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Speaker 4: How would you describe the reaction that you have received

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Speaker 5: So I don't read comments on Twitter or x whatever

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Speaker 5: you want to call it. Yeah, it's it's most of that.

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Speaker 2: Is just nonsense.

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Speaker 5: And so but I have been literally besieged by emails

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Speaker 5: and I would say about ninety nine to one thanking

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Speaker 5: me for saying what I said, which is to me

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Speaker 5: somewhat embarrassing, because it's you know, what I'm saying is that,

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Speaker 5: you know, I just simply taking a stand and saying

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Speaker 5: that I don't like the idea of retribution on our city.

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Speaker 5: And boy, that's awesome, Metal, thanks so much for saying.

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Speaker 5: I mean, seriously, I mean, the bar has been set

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Speaker 5: pretty low that right nowadays for for praise of that

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Speaker 5: sort of sort. And yet, as I'm sure you know,

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Speaker 5: and I've got many texts on this as recently is

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Speaker 5: yesterday when we talked about the video dropping, and in

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Speaker 5: your decision, from a lot of people say, what do

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Speaker 5: you mean retribution?

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Speaker 3: That's that's your opinion. There's really no proof of that.

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Speaker 4: What do you say to those folks who say, no,

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Speaker 4: this is what the president was elected to do. You

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Speaker 4: guys may not like it, and it might get messy,

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Speaker 4: but this isn't retribution.

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Speaker 3: We got to get rid of all these folks.

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Speaker 2: Well, for me, I'm an attorney. Words matter.

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Speaker 5: The President posted that with respect to Minnesota, this is

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Speaker 5: our day of reckoning and retribution.

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Speaker 2: That and he put it in all caps.

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Speaker 5: I tend to believe things that are said, especially when

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Speaker 5: they're backed up with action and when and again, I

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Speaker 5: am not sitting here like being like, oh my god,

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Speaker 5: this is one hundred percent Trump's problem. This really began

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Speaker 5: by a lack of leadership in Minnesota. This is not

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Speaker 5: happening to other Blue states. Other Blue states are sitting

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Speaker 5: down with the Trump administration and actually discussing prioritizing the

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Speaker 5: people that they're arresting and going into that and they're saying,

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Speaker 5: here's a list of the people that we want to

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Speaker 5: get and they're making state and local resources available with

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Speaker 5: respect with respect immigration enforcement.

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Speaker 2: We did not do that.

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Speaker 5: We are elected officials here in Minnesota put their finger

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Speaker 5: what happens when that occurs. I mean, and that is

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Speaker 5: just our reality. And I know people on the left

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Speaker 5: to show some respect, and otherwise you're going to see

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Speaker 5: exactly what we had happen here. But when he then

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Speaker 5: both sides frankly kind of behaved a bit like kids.

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Speaker 5: You know, well, you're going to say that to me, Well,

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Speaker 5: then I'm going to throw more agents at you, and

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Speaker 2: And that's exactly what happened.

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Speaker 5: But when the amount of agents then that came in,

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Speaker 2: It gets to be a gulver and.

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Speaker 5: The little Putians type thing when you look at it,

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Speaker 5: and then you look at these ICE memos where they

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Speaker 4: Let's stop you at that one right there, because you

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Speaker 4: as far as you understand the law, ICE does not

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Speaker 3: Is that correct?

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Speaker 2: It's one hundred percent correct.

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Speaker 5: I mean, we still have a Fourth Amendment to the

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Speaker 5: United States Constitution. It protects against unreasonable searches and seizures,

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Speaker 5: and what it says with respect to an entry to

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Speaker 5: judge has to look at that in order to ascertain

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Speaker 5: if there's probable cause to go in. Right now, Immigrations

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Speaker 5: all you need is the signature of an authorizedation agent

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Speaker 5: can go into your house. That is blatantly unconstitutional. And

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Speaker 5: what the President said and said, this is retribution. This

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Speaker 5: is exactly what this is. And if you want to

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Speaker 5: first one to agree with you that our leaders failed

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Speaker 5: And I get that, but that doesn't excuse the conduct

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Speaker 2: Leaders lead, they.

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Speaker 5: Don't punish their own citizens, and that's exactly what has

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Speaker 3: We'll get into that is absolute immunity.

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Speaker 4: I think that was the term that the Vice President

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Speaker 3: Does that exist?

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Speaker 5: It exists in civil cases where if you Dan Burro,

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Speaker 5: want to sue a judge because you're think you got

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Speaker 5: a bad decision, they're absolutely immune for that. You are

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Speaker 5: absolutely immune if you stand up on a witness stand

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Speaker 5: testimony in court. They're absolutely immune. Is there absolute immunity

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Speaker 5: for criminal action? One hundred percent No, one hundred percent no.

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Speaker 5: And this was shown. Tell anybody of your listeners, go

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Speaker 5: look at the Ruby Ridge case, which which you know,

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Speaker 2: And that's exactly what happened.

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Speaker 5: That person got charged in a state court, it was

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Speaker 5: removed to federal court. And then there is a procedure

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Speaker 5: federal court for state crimes. And there's a lengthy decision

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Speaker 5: on that in the Ninth Circuit, which is largely California.

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Speaker 2: But you do not. There is no such thing as.

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Speaker 5: Absolute immunity with respect to federal criminal agents. They can

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Speaker 4: Well, isn't that self fulfilling in terms of sending the

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Speaker 4: message to those agents no one can touch us, We

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Speaker 4: can do whatever we want to do. I can't think

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Speaker 4: of a message that is clearer than that offered by

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Speaker 5: This is why we started our country. This is exactly

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Speaker 5: what we're talking about with the Boston soldiers coming in

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Speaker 5: So the notion that they can just do this because

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Speaker 5: they work for the federal government, I mean, my gosh,

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Speaker 5: that's exactly why I really believe in the conservative ideals

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Speaker 2: Maximize servative ideals. Yes, maximizing freedom.

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Speaker 5: And you do not have maximum freedom when you have

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Speaker 4: So tell me the sequence here you did the video?

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Speaker 4: What morning boy, You're actually it's been a long week. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: I think it was after the shooting. Yeah, yes, I

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Speaker 4: on Saturday, Clinch, it was that part of it.

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Speaker 3: Were you already there?

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Speaker 4: Does that factor into the decision you ultimately made? And

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Speaker 4: I yes, I should her mind folks who haven't paid

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Speaker 4: attention that you released a video saying you were leaving

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Speaker 5: And it's been released on action, and I should mention

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Speaker 2: I think it's at three point four million views.

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Speaker 5: But my daughter has three point five million views on

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Speaker 5: a TikTok and I'm desperately trying to beat her.

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Speaker 2: So I'd appreciate anybody.

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Speaker 5: Even if you just click on it and you hate

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Speaker 5: my guts, please just click on it, just so I

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Speaker 5: can beat my daughter for any other reason. But yeah,

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Speaker 5: it certainly it was not. I think I pretty well

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Speaker 5: I was building to this decision that certainly was a

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Speaker 5: that I believe that the National Republicans have created such

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Speaker 5: for a Republican when right now it's always uphill for

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Speaker 5: wide race since polenty twenty years ago. Yes, I mean

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Speaker 2: So why would you not.

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Speaker 2: Give me a break. I mean, i've is that more

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Speaker 3: Do you believe?

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Speaker 4: And again, this is probably premature, but there's already discussion

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Speaker 5: And so all that I believe, with the amount of

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Speaker 4: This is an ancillary subject. But again, you're a lawyer,

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Speaker 4: And sadly, as you well know, two of the folks

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Speaker 4: As I understand it, the chief federal Judge of Minnesota

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Speaker 3: I'm told that's extremely unusual.

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Speaker 4: Is that fair? How do we get exactly to this point?

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Speaker 5: Well, this, I believe all relates to this letter that

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Speaker 5: He wrote this excellent letter that if I received, if

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Speaker 5: Especially right now with everything that's going on right now,

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Speaker 4: All right, let's make this the bottom of the hoar pause.

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Speaker 3: Are you basically a wolf. No, what's the cliche?

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Speaker 4: Are you a closet Democrat pretending to be a Republican?

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Speaker 3: Because I got a lot of that yesterday.

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Speaker 4: Donated money to Democrats from time to time. You ain't

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I've given to Republicans and Democrats over the years.

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Speaker 5: years that the party has kind of come and gone

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Speaker 5: to where I am, and I still feel like that

444
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Speaker 5: now at times, and I do there is a small

445
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Speaker 5: vocal minority of the Republican Party that does this purity

446
00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:25,640
Speaker 5: test on every issue, and if you don't hit every issue,

447
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Speaker 5: then therefore you are somehow this horrible you know, wolf

448
00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:32,560
Speaker 5: in sheep's clothing, and you know, and again, you know,

449
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Speaker 5: just they you know, I quote jay Z, you know,

450
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Speaker 5: they they talk, we do who cares what they.

451
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Speaker 2: Say, and and I really believe in that.

452
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Speaker 5: And all you can do is just kind of put

453
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Speaker 5: the noise aside and just say what you believe.

454
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Speaker 2: And I've said what I believe.

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Speaker 5: You know, boy, if I was this Democrat in cheap's clothing,

456
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Speaker 5: I did pretty damn well in that Republican process tonight.

457
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Speaker 4: Well, I think right now it's for people who do

458
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Speaker 4: not like what you've said and the reasons you've given.

459
00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:05,960
Speaker 4: They're looking for ways to dismiss it. Sure, and so

460
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Speaker 4: it's easier to dismiss it, which of course leaves aside that,

461
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Speaker 4: as you and I have talked about before on air

462
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Speaker 4: and off air, the great irony of this is, and

463
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Speaker 4: this to me should lend credibility to what you have

464
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Speaker 4: said when you announced you were you were stepping aside,

465
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Speaker 4: is that you're not exactly Keith Ellison's Mary Moriarty, Mary

466
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Speaker 4: Moriarty's even Governor Wallace's best friend.

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Speaker 5: I mean, I take great pride in the fact that

468
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Speaker 5: I believe that I am the reason that Mary Moriarty

469
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Speaker 5: didn't run for reelection and because of what we did

470
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Speaker 5: do are on the Laundrigan case. And I feel like

471
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Speaker 5: I have made Henn and Pin County one hundred times

472
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Speaker 5: safer for all of us by doing that. You know,

473
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Speaker 5: and I've represented law enforcement over again. I've represented alf

474
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Speaker 5: the News, I've represented the Center for the American Experiment.

475
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Speaker 2: I've done all this.

476
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Speaker 5: But yet you know, I'm I'm I'm the Democrat in

477
00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:59,879
Speaker 5: sheep's clothing. And again I keep coming back to jay Z.

478
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Speaker 5: I mean, all these people that say this, what have

479
00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:06,879
Speaker 5: they done? I mean, what have they actually done in

480
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Speaker 5: order to move forward conservative issues with respect to anything

481
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Speaker 5: that really has happened in Minnesota. I can tell you

482
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Speaker 5: that I stood up on behalf of a law enforcement

483
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Speaker 5: officer at the very beginning of this case and said,

484
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Speaker 5: the open season on law enforcement's going to end, and

485
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Speaker 5: it's going to end with this case. That was after

486
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Speaker 5: all the Chauvin, that was, after all the Potter stuff,

487
00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:28,960
Speaker 5: the people that were criticizing me the most for saying

488
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Speaker 5: that Republicans you went too far, Mettle, you went too far.

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Speaker 2: But again, what can I do?

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Speaker 5: You know, It's like, I'm not going to go out

491
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Speaker 5: to these people and say, hey, listen, can I sit

492
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Speaker 5: in your basement and tell you how much I loved

493
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Speaker 5: what Rush Limbaughs said. You know, and it just doesn't matter.

494
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Speaker 5: All I can say is what I believe, and I do.

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Speaker 5: I believe what I say.

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Speaker 4: Do you believe we are seeing a sizeable shift, not

497
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Speaker 4: just in rhetoric, but in where this is going to go?

498
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Speaker 4: I mean, because a part of me wants to believe it,

499
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Speaker 4: but I also need to see the details. I need

500
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Speaker 4: to see more than words, how it plays out on

501
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Speaker 4: the ground. Are you sensing that that there is serious

502
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Speaker 4: momentum that that indicates there's a way out of this

503
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Speaker 4: abyss or not?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: I actually do.

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Speaker 5: I think that Homan coming in right now, and you know,

507
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Speaker 5: he was given the metal freedom from Obama and he's

508
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Speaker 5: you know, he was in competition with Christy Nome to

509
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Speaker 5: be the Secretary of Homeland Security and I but honestly,

510
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Speaker 5: I think everything that I have seen with respect to

511
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Speaker 5: is absolutely a hardliner with respect to immigration, but he's

512
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Speaker 5: smart and he actually knows how to negotiate. Bovino was

513
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Speaker 5: very similar to some of the other people from DC,

514
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Speaker 5: where I felt like all he did is specialized in

515
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Speaker 5: putting a finger in your eye and he was not

516
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Speaker 5: really interested in actually achieving things as opposed as much

517
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Speaker 5: as he was kind of creating this hostile atmospheres so

518
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Speaker 5: everybody would be as divisive as possible.

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Speaker 2: I'm very encouraged. I don't Jacob Fry said it. I

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Speaker 2: don't know.

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Speaker 5: I don't exactly like using that as a source, but

522
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Speaker 5: he said that there's going to be five hundred ICE

523
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Speaker 5: agents leaving the state, which I think is a step

524
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Speaker 5: in the right direction. I also think another important step

525
00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:21,119
Speaker 5: in the right direction is if he would tell the

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Speaker 5: Minneapolis police it is fine for you to protect your

527
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Speaker 5: brothers and sisters in law enforcement. That is not a

528
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Speaker 5: big ask. And I honestly, this is one of the

529
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Speaker 5: things I said in my video. I feel so sorry

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Speaker 5: for the Minneapolis Police Department right now. These are brave

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Speaker 5: men and women that are out there protecting us, and

532
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Speaker 5: right now they're being told to stand down with respect

533
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Speaker 5: to any problems with their brothers and sisters in law enforcement.

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Speaker 2: That is wrong.

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Speaker 5: It does not matter what side of the political aisle

536
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Speaker 5: you are on. If law enforcement's being attacked by anybody,

537
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Speaker 5: they need to be able to protect one another.

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Speaker 2: Is not a big ask.

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Speaker 5: And when I hear people on the left saying, oh

540
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Speaker 5: my god, that's awful and it's great that Minneapolis Police

541
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Speaker 5: are being sidelined like this, really, I mean, go look

542
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Speaker 5: at downtown, Go look at South Minneapolis, go look at

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Speaker 5: the crime. I've got friends that live in between Lake

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Speaker 5: of the Isles and Hennepon Avenue. There's entire blocks there

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Speaker 5: where they've had cars broken into and stolen repeatedly, which

546
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Speaker 5: has gone way up. If you look at Crime Watch Minneapolis,

547
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Speaker 5: which is one of my favorite sits on X, if

548
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Speaker 5: you look at that, it's gone way up through throughout

549
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Speaker 5: this process. Vehicle thefts, and nobody's really paying attention to any.

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Speaker 3: Of this stuff.

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Speaker 2: So we need to do more with respect to supporting

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Speaker 2: our law enforcement.

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Speaker 5: And we've really the current administration, from Walls to Ellison

554
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Speaker 5: and Moriarty have really done practically nothing in order to

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Speaker 5: make our streets safer.

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Speaker 4: Tim Polenti, in an interview this might have been this

557
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Speaker 4: morning a national interview you mentioned him earlier, suggests that

558
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Speaker 4: and he's he's been pretty critical of the ice tactics,

559
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Speaker 4: but he's also said that if we're again trying to

560
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Speaker 4: be real about how we get out of this, that

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Speaker 4: moving forward, we have to have agreement that to your point,

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Speaker 4: local police, in this case, Minneapolis police create basically buffer

563
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Speaker 4: zones where inside of that, whatever the activity that Ice

564
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Speaker 4: is doing, is that there is some protection because his

565
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:31,280
Speaker 4: belief is when it's face to face, you know, of confrontation,

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Speaker 4: that it's almost inevitable that something else bad is going

567
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Speaker 4: to happen again. Is that?

568
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Speaker 3: Is he right?

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Speaker 4: Is that realistic? Is that too much? Is the city

570
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Speaker 4: giving up too much in that regard?

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Speaker 5: He's one hundred percent right? And let me just kind

572
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Speaker 5: of expound a little bit on that. So right now,

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Speaker 5: the Minneapolis Police Department, as a result of all the

574
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Speaker 5: Floyd stuff, is operating under a consent decree.

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Speaker 2: And if you read that consent decree, and I'm.

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Speaker 5: Making this, I'm summarizing, and I'm making this a lot

577
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Speaker 5: easier here, but it more or less lets protesters get

578
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Speaker 5: up in cops face. And that's what these Minneapolis protesters

579
00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:10,640
Speaker 5: have gotten really kind of customed to. These agents that

580
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:12,200
Speaker 5: are coming in from out of town. A lot of

581
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Speaker 5: them are from Texas, a lot of them are from

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Speaker 5: other places. They are not working under this consent decree.

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Speaker 5: So when they see somebody kind of come up in

584
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Speaker 5: their face, they shove back. And then what a lot

585
00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:25,680
Speaker 5: of these protesters are been accustomed to yelling at the

586
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Speaker 5: cops getting up in there. They're like, you can't do that,

587
00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:31,360
Speaker 5: and they're right under the consent decree. But that consent

588
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Speaker 5: decree doesn't apply to the federal people. So you have

589
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Speaker 5: this disconnect in what rules of engagement, for lack of

590
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Speaker 5: a better term, kind of apply between Minneapolis police and.

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Speaker 2: Federal law enforcement.

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Speaker 5: So creating that buffer zone would be immensely more helpful.

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Speaker 5: I also would say, though, too, that with respect to

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Speaker 5: the back to the priorities, I just don't know if

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Speaker 5: a reasonable person in the state that would have a

596
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Speaker 5: problem with going after the worst of these worse and

597
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:04,760
Speaker 5: I've talked about a couple of them, there's this one person.

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Speaker 2: Just permit me on this. He had an order for removal.

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Speaker 5: On Halloween of two thousand, he was convicted in California

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Speaker 5: about it having sexual intercourse with a girl that was

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Speaker 5: thirteen to sixteen years old.

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Speaker 2: He then moved to Minnesota.

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Speaker 5: In twenty ten, he bit his girlfriend's cheeks so hard

604
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Speaker 5: she had a flap of skin hanging from her. He

605
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Speaker 5: was convicted of first degree felony assault. He appealed that

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Speaker 5: to the Court of Appeals. There's a decision from the

607
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Speaker 5: Court of Appeals in twenty eleven, the first time that

608
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Speaker 5: he was arrested for deportation December twenty twenty five, fourteen

609
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Speaker 5: years after that, much more time after the California conviction.

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Speaker 5: Show me the person that wants this person here in

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Speaker 5: the United States, and I would even think that people

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Speaker 5: on the far left would think, Yeah, that's a good

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Speaker 5: person that we should have gone. If we can make

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Speaker 5: a list of those people and have an agreed upon list,

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Speaker 5: have state law enforcement, have local law enforcement work with immigration,

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Speaker 5: arrest these people, deport, deport them. They should have been

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Speaker 5: deported a lot earlier for reasons. I don't know why

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Speaker 5: they weren't. I have no idea, but let's get rid

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Speaker 5: of them. But when we're talking about having lunch at

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Speaker 5: a Mexican restaurant and then going back into the Mexican

621
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Speaker 5: restaurant exactly and arresting and deporting the people that just

622
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Speaker 5: cooked your food.

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Speaker 3: You know it's not you know, that's not precision policing.

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Speaker 2: And and you know, and Dan, you know, you and

625
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Speaker 2: I are our neighbors.

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Speaker 5: We see you know, if you had a problem at

627
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Speaker 5: your house and you needed help, I'd come over and

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Speaker 5: help you. That's what Minnesotans do. We are very very

629
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Speaker 5: friendly people. We try to help our neighbors. And when

630
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Speaker 5: we hear something like that that offends us as Minnesotans.

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Speaker 5: And when you especially when you import thousands of people

632
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Speaker 5: that come in that are doing that to a highly

633
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Speaker 5: charged atmosphere like that on top of stories of people

634
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Speaker 5: getting detained and pulled over because of the color of

635
00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:01,000
Speaker 5: their skin, at some point you got to say, hey, listen,

636
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Speaker 5: this is wrong.

637
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:04,040
Speaker 2: We got to stand up and say that this is wrong.

638
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Speaker 2: And if you're not doing that.

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Speaker 5: In my world, at least with my morality and with

640
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Speaker 5: my spirituality, you are offending what is the kind of

641
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Speaker 5: a norm with respect to morality? And if I do

642
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Speaker 5: believe that we are a brother's keeper, and I do

643
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Speaker 5: believe a number of times when I hear people say, well,

644
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Speaker 5: we got to round all these people up and deport

645
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Speaker 5: them all and then I'm going to go to church

646
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Speaker 5: on Sunday and read the Bible, I'm like, I think

647
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Speaker 5: you're not reading the Bible hard enough.

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Speaker 3: Friend.

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Speaker 4: Precision, Because for me, if I'm representing the mayor or

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Speaker 4: the governor, I'm saying, all right on this idea of

651
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:47,000
Speaker 4: creating these perimeters, I can't consider that unless I can

652
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Speaker 4: trust that what's happening inside that perimeter is, as you say, yes,

653
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Speaker 4: a precise targeted individual of the type that you're saying yes,

654
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Speaker 4: Not that while you're in that perimeter you're grabbing people

655
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Speaker 4: and saying your voice, your accent sounds kind of funny

656
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Speaker 4: to me. Let me see your papers. Yes, that's got

657
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Speaker 4: to be a part of the agreement, or else it's not.

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Speaker 4: It doesn't even have a chance.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I mean, and how sad is it?

660
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Speaker 5: And I keep kind of having this cognitive dissonance from

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Speaker 5: time to time. How sad is it they're having this conversation.

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Speaker 5: This is the United States of America. I mean, we

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Speaker 5: are a nation of immigrants. This is not what any

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Speaker 5: of us wanted to sign up for. But this notion

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Speaker 5: that we're just rounding people up.

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Speaker 4: And you know, and and there's no doubt that you

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Speaker 4: believe that's been taking place.

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Speaker 3: Correct.

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Speaker 5: I've taken place talking to clients, I have talked to individuals,

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Speaker 5: I've talked to law enforcement. I know that this is

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Speaker 5: taking place. We have gotten so far beyond from the

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Speaker 5: idea where we are not just agreeing on fact anymore,

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Speaker 5: that you're you're reading your you know, brother, Jones, and

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Speaker 5: I'm reading my off the news and we're not getting

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Speaker 5: in the middle and just saying, hey, listen, this is reality,

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Speaker 5: and so I know that this is happening, and that's

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Speaker 5: one of the reasons that led to my decision.

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Speaker 4: More break and we'll continue. Chris Maddell kind of enough

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Speaker 4: to join us in studio. Outstanding get I should say well,

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Speaker 4: outstanding guests for sure, but also lots of good text.

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Speaker 4: I'm going to try to include those. I got a

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Speaker 4: couple of things I want to run by you from

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Speaker 4: an op ed piece the Governor, Walls wrote in Today's

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Speaker 4: Wall Street Journal as well, to get your reaction to

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Speaker 4: you may have some information some knowledge in some areas

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Speaker 4: on this as well.

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Speaker 4: Tim Walls bed piece in the Wall Street Journal. It's

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Speaker 4: online right now. The Unamerican assault on Minnesota. I want

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Speaker 4: to run a couple of items by our in studio

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Speaker 4: guest Chris Maddel.

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Speaker 3: Let me read you.

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Speaker 4: The administration claims that Minnesota jails release the worst of

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Speaker 4: the worst. In reality, the Minnesota Department of Corrections honors

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Speaker 4: all federal and local detainers by notifying Immigration and Customs

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Speaker 4: Enforcement when a person is When a person committed to

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Speaker 4: its custody is not a US citizen, there is not

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Speaker 4: a single documented case of the departments releasing someone from

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Speaker 4: state prison without offering to ensure a smooth transfer of custody.

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Speaker 3: Do you know whether that's true.

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Speaker 5: I believe it's true, and they're obligated to do that

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Speaker 5: under federal law. And this is one of the areas

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Speaker 5: where I think when Vice President Vance came here, he

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Speaker 5: actually said, yeah, I wouldn't put them on the list

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Speaker 5: of the problem people.

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Speaker 4: And yet others in the administration have said, well, if

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Speaker 4: they would just take if they would just do that,

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Speaker 4: we'd be out of here.

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Speaker 2: Yep.

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Speaker 4: One other part another comment. Some of the administration's claims

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Speaker 4: are ridiculous on their face. For example, it claims that

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Speaker 4: one thousand to three hundred and sixty non US citizens

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Speaker 4: are in Minnesota prisons.

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Speaker 3: The truth.

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Speaker 4: Our total state prison population is roughly eight thousand, and

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Speaker 4: only two hundred and seven of them are non citizens.

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Speaker 2: I have no idea.

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Speaker 4: You have no idea on that idea. I'll give you

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Speaker 4: one other one that I found interesting. The earlier in

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Speaker 4: the month, the administration had published what it claimed was

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Speaker 4: a list of people who had been arrested as part

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Speaker 4: of this ICE sweep, asserting that this list represents quote

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Speaker 4: the worst of the worst criminals and implying that we've

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Speaker 4: been protecting them from capture. He writes that Minnesota Public

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Speaker 4: Radio investigated the claim, saying most of the people on

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Speaker 4: the list had been immediately transferred to ICE custody at

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Speaker 4: the end of time served in Minnesota prisons. All those

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Speaker 4: transfers happened before ICE even began its surge of operations

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Speaker 4: in Minnesota on December one, twenty twenty five, with some

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Speaker 4: even happening years before.

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Speaker 3: Do you have any knowledge on that?

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Speaker 2: I have no idea.

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Speaker 3: So it's hard to say you on that part of it.

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Speaker 2: I will can I say one thing, yes?

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Speaker 5: Is that? So Walls starting that by saying the Unamerican

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Speaker 5: blah blah blah blah blah with respect. I'm like, dude,

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Speaker 5: look in the mirror. Okay, you are the one referring

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Speaker 5: to ICE agents back during the University of Minnesota graduation

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Speaker 5: as Trump's modern day gestapo. You were the one referring

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Speaker 5: to people that supported Trump as Nazis, which literally about

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Speaker 5: half of our state right now voted voted for Trump

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Speaker 5: in the last election.

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Speaker 2: That is unamerican.

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Speaker 5: That is unamerican to be comparing people to a party

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Speaker 5: that engaged in one of the history's worst atrocities out

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Speaker 5: there and then inflaming all that and then retreating back

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Speaker 5: to your defense and calling him an American. It's this

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Speaker 5: is what I'm talking about when I'm talking about a

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Speaker 5: bunch of children. This is not being a leader. Leaders

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Speaker 5: lead They do not go in there and point fingers

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Speaker 5: that you and say you're not an American, you're awful,

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Speaker 5: you're a Nazi, you're a Gestapo.

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Speaker 2: They don't do that.

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Speaker 5: They say they're measured, and they say listen, let's let

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Speaker 5: all the facts come in. And then they get on

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Speaker 5: the phone like frankly Gretchen Whitmer did with respect to Michigan,

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Speaker 5: and they say, tell me your priorities. What are you

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Speaker 5: actually wanting to accomplish here, and then you look at

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Speaker 5: a list and you say, hey, listen, here's a number

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Speaker 5: of people that from Southeast Asia, one of whom bit

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Speaker 5: somebody's cheeks so hard there's a flap. Yeah, let's get

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Speaker 5: rid of that person. Why why do we need to

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Speaker 5: do all of this stuff? Why are we the only

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Speaker 5: state where this is happening. That is a crisis of leadership.

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Speaker 5: So my respectful suggestion to the governor, put down your laptop,

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Speaker 5: do your job, you know, and actually communicate right now.

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Speaker 5: Try to de escalate things, try to not inflame, try

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Speaker 5: to actually lead and get us out of.

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Speaker 4: This text that came in earlier. This is from the

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Speaker 4: seven oh one area code. Your guest claims that Minnesota

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Speaker 4: handled the influx of federal agents ICE VP by not

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Speaker 4: coordinating their efforts. I don't recall there being any requests

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Speaker 4: by ICE or VP of Minnesota law enforcement e g.

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Speaker 3: Governor Pritzker.

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Speaker 4: Illinois absolutely laid down the law and said no way,

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Speaker 4: no how. There was no effort between federal and state

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Speaker 4: to cooperate because the federal effort was regarded as bullying

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Speaker 4: and was as it is here in Minnesota.

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Speaker 2: What do you say to that, give me a break.

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Speaker 5: I mean, when the federal government comes in, they almost

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Speaker 5: always their first call is to local authorities. I know

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Speaker 5: because I know a lot of Minneapolis police officers. There

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Speaker 5: have been outreaches, there have been the Minneapolis Police Department

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Speaker 5: rank and file wants to actually protect other law enforcement.

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Speaker 5: And again, this is not a big ask. And what

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Speaker 5: are we saying though, Okay, geez, I don't have evidence

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Speaker 5: that there was a phone call, so therefore all of

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Speaker 5: this is fine.

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Speaker 2: I mean, give me a break.

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Speaker 4: Lots of texts wondering why you weren't running as an

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Speaker 4: independent from the start and why you still wouldn't.

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Speaker 5: Well, if Elon Musk is listening and he wants to

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Speaker 5: give me ten to twenty million dollars to put the

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Speaker 5: campaign together, I will be right back on the campaign

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Speaker 5: trail tomorrow. There would be nothing that I would love

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Speaker 5: more than to run as an independent candidate and run

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Speaker 5: on my own beliefs and all that.

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Speaker 2: I would love to do that.

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Speaker 5: The problem with politics you got to have money, and

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Speaker 5: the machine has that money.

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Speaker 2: And you raised a pretty good chunk in a short

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Speaker 2: period of time.

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Speaker 5: Did you know that I raised over four hundred thousand dollars? Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 5: so no, I was, but that's not close to what

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Speaker 5: you need from what everybody tells me through the entire process.

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Speaker 2: You're talking over ten million.

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Speaker 3: Dollars, could you? Isn't it?

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Speaker 4: We all assume maybe Klobashar is getting in the race. Yes,

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Speaker 4: I consider her. This is just analytic speaking, not necessarily

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Speaker 4: taking a position that she's unbeatable.

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Speaker 5: So's here's my argument as to why that's not true.

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Speaker 5: Look at the sequence of a events. Who did Walls

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Speaker 5: meet with immediately before he said that he wasn't going

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Speaker 5: to run with he met with Amy Klobhar. The question

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Speaker 5: I would ask to the people that were inclined to

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Speaker 5: vote for if you're really truly interested in fraud, do

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Speaker 5: you think with that sort of relationship that if she

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Speaker 5: became governor that you're going to learn about what did

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Speaker 5: the governor and his administration know about fraud and when

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Speaker 5: did they know it?

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Speaker 2: It's not going to happen. She's a pretty good prosecutor.

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Speaker 5: She was a regulatory lawyer Dorsey and Whitney. She's never

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Speaker 5: tried a case, Dan, I mean, you know, yes, she

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Speaker 5: was a head county attorney and she was also the

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Speaker 5: head county attorney when she prosecuted Kirby Bucket. How did

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Speaker 5: that go for you? I was on that case, So

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Speaker 5: what case weren't you on? Well, the ones that Joe

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Speaker 5: was on.

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Speaker 4: So.

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Speaker 5: But and and also with respect to to you know,

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Speaker 5: Senator Clovishar, I think it's really important for people who

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Speaker 5: want to achieve office in the state, particularly statewide office,

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Speaker 5: that and this is frankly rare that people that want

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Speaker 5: to run for it, you should actually want to Your

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Speaker 5: desires should be to actually I want to help people.

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Speaker 5: I want to actually fix problems. I actually want to

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Speaker 5: make things better. It's not that I boy, I'd really

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Speaker 5: like to see myself, you know, people call me governor

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Speaker 5: or that sort of deal. And there are people in

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Speaker 5: this race right now that I believe that to be

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Speaker 5: the case. I believe that she's not running here to

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Speaker 5: really fix problems. She's running here to get executive experience

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Speaker 5: to run as president United States.

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Speaker 2: Again, it's a stepping stone.

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Speaker 5: We are in such a bad strait right now with

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Speaker 5: respect to Minnesota. And when I talk about that, I

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Speaker 5: talk about fraud, I talk about safe streets, I talk

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Speaker 5: about education, I talk about affordability, I talk about the budget.

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Speaker 5: We have numerous different areas right now that need serious attention.

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Speaker 5: And you know, I always hate it when people are

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Speaker 5: always saying, oh, this is the most important election of

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Speaker 5: our lifetime. I actually believe that with respect to Minnesota

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Speaker 5: right now, I think that we're at a real crossroads

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Speaker 5: when Mississippi is bidding us on fourth grade literacy Mississippi

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Speaker 5: and they're one third cheaper than we are, and dollars

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Speaker 5: per pupil we are in and we're being led by

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Speaker 5: a teacher. We are in some really bad straits right now,

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Speaker 5: and so we need to have somebody in there that

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Speaker 5: actually wants to correct things rather than looking at that

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Speaker 5: office as a stepping stone.

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Speaker 4: What was the message you derived out of several attorneys prosecutors,

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Speaker 4: including US Attorney Joe Thompson. The whatever title he had

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Speaker 4: at that point, it was first first assistant stepping away.

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Speaker 2: So Joe's a good friend of mine, and we just

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Speaker 2: had lunch again last week.

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Speaker 3: Can you get him on? We want to have him on.

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Speaker 3: He won't come on.

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Speaker 2: I'll talk to you about that. We get off the show, okay.

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Speaker 5: Joe is about as honorable as a prosecutor as I

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Speaker 5: have known in my career, and I had a number

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Speaker 5: of cases against him, and I had one, and I

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Speaker 5: hope he's listening where he indicted my client, then he

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Speaker 5: gave him an immunity from prosecution and he walked away.

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Speaker 5: So Joe, that thank you for very much for doing that.

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Speaker 5: And I beat you on that case too, But that's

881
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Speaker 5: that's an aside. Joe is again he with one FBI

882
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Speaker 5: analyst starting started feeding our future. And if there is

883
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Speaker 5: one person that has really started the ball rolling with

884
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Speaker 5: respect to fraud Minnesota, it's Joe Thompson. And now I

885
00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:23,800
Speaker 5: can see a lot of people now coming in from Washington,

886
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Speaker 5: d C. And using his resume to say, look at

887
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Speaker 5: all the stuff I've done with respect to fraud. I

888
00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:31,239
Speaker 5: happen to know that's Joe Thompson, and he's been there

889
00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:35,080
Speaker 5: over and over. The fact that he resigned would that

890
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Speaker 5: was certainly another log on my fire of my decision

891
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:42,239
Speaker 5: to get out of this race. The fact that Joe

892
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Speaker 5: Thompson and now ten ten federal prosecutors that have resigned

893
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Speaker 5: in including a senior FBI agent, that have resigned, that

894
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Speaker 5: should cause all of us Democrat Republican put all that

895
00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:59,200
Speaker 5: garbage aside. That should cause all of us, as American

896
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:03,160
Speaker 5: citizens to set up and take notice. There is something

897
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:07,759
Speaker 5: seriously wrong right now with respect to what is happening

898
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Speaker 5: with respect to our judicial system and our law enforcement

899
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Speaker 5: at the federal level in Minnesota.

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Speaker 4: The great irony to me is if you do want

901
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:18,400
Speaker 4: to make this partisan, and you're a hardcore righty, you

902
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:22,880
Speaker 4: should be devastated that he's out, because if you believe

903
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Speaker 4: that the feeding our future and other scandals provide red

904
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Speaker 4: meat to you, you have removed the As you say,

905
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Speaker 4: single individual most responsible knows that landscape better than anybody,

906
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Speaker 4: and that can't just be learned in fifteen minutes by

907
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Speaker 4: people coming in from Washington.

908
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Speaker 5: Again, I'll be honest with you, Well, behind the scenes

909
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:47,440
Speaker 5: thing when I was a candidate, as all that fraud

910
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Speaker 5: stuff was coming out, I was calling top Republicans in

911
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Speaker 5: the state and asking DC, take your foot off the

912
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:55,840
Speaker 5: gas of walls, take your foot off the gas of

913
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Speaker 5: this guy. He is going to resign. And you're reaching

914
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:03,360
Speaker 5: a crescendo too early. Pushed this into July, August, September,

915
00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:06,360
Speaker 5: then bring it up. That's the best political move, that

916
00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:09,279
Speaker 5: would have been the best strategy. And obviously, and now

917
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:12,040
Speaker 5: what did you get now? I mean, and again, look

918
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Speaker 5: at this from Mike cannadacy standpoint, You pushed fraud too fast.

919
00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:20,799
Speaker 5: Then you came in here with ice, created that unmitigated

920
00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:23,160
Speaker 5: disaster here with it, and I don't think anybody can

921
00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:26,359
Speaker 5: reasonably quarrel with that. And then you brought in Amy

922
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Speaker 5: klobucharter on as governor. Boy, you did a great job, Republicans.

923
00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:32,719
Speaker 5: You just you banged it up. You just did a

924
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Speaker 5: fantastic work here. I mean, strategically, that is just infinitesimally stupid.

925
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Speaker 3: Last item.

926
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Speaker 4: We could go all day, but I know you got

927
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Speaker 4: other things to do, and eventually we have to break again.

928
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Speaker 4: If for whatever reason, you got a phone call tonight

929
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Speaker 4: from the President of the United States, you said, you know,

930
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Speaker 4: I'm trying to figure this thing out. I don't know

931
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Speaker 4: how it got pear shaped. Although it might not help

932
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Speaker 4: when you send out a tweet. As you mentioned earlier,

933
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Speaker 4: fear not great people in minnesot out of the day

934
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Speaker 4: of reckoning and retribution is coming. That's why it's hard

935
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Speaker 4: for me to just put this all on Beveno and

936
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Speaker 4: Nolman Miller, because they were doing exactly what they thought

937
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Speaker 4: the President wanted them to do. But if he called

938
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Speaker 4: you and said, give me some advice here. What would

939
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Speaker 4: your advice be to the president? It couldn't just be

940
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Speaker 4: to the president. And I hate to give you the

941
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Speaker 4: lawyer answer.

942
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Speaker 5: The thing I would like to do is is but

943
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Speaker 5: it sounds like they're starting to do it by the way,

944
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Speaker 5: I want to give them credit where credits due. I

945
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Speaker 5: would want to get Walls, the President, and Jacob Frye

946
00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:32,520
Speaker 5: into a room and say, what is it that we

947
00:48:32,560 --> 00:48:36,200
Speaker 5: want to accomplish, just like any mediator in any case

948
00:48:36,239 --> 00:48:38,360
Speaker 5: would do. What are we trying to accomplish? Are we

949
00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:40,319
Speaker 5: trying to settle a lawsuit? Or what are we trying

950
00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:42,640
Speaker 5: to do? And then figure out that goal and then

951
00:48:42,680 --> 00:48:45,839
Speaker 5: figure out the means to get that goal achieved with

952
00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:48,680
Speaker 5: respect to the president right now, and again.

953
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Speaker 2: This is one of the problems.

954
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:51,959
Speaker 5: Again, I just have so much with Walls in fry

955
00:48:52,040 --> 00:48:54,080
Speaker 5: We all knew how he was going to react if

956
00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:54,960
Speaker 5: you put a finger in his.

957
00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:56,719
Speaker 2: Eye, right, I mean, how many people have done that?

958
00:48:57,000 --> 00:48:57,840
Speaker 2: Has it ever worked?

959
00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:01,320
Speaker 5: You know? I mean? And again sense definition of insanity

960
00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:03,720
Speaker 5: doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.

961
00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:05,960
Speaker 5: They just didn't. But I would tell the president to

962
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Speaker 5: do exactly what he's doing right now. Tom Homan is

963
00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:10,320
Speaker 5: a lot better choice.

964
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Speaker 2: He is a grown up.

965
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Speaker 5: I'm so I am very happy that he's now coming

966
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:18,040
Speaker 5: into Minnesota in order to manage this mess. And hopefully

967
00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:20,640
Speaker 5: now there's going to be some de escalation. Hopefully there's

968
00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:23,120
Speaker 5: going to be some prioritization regarding the people that they're

969
00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:26,920
Speaker 5: going to arrest and deport, and hopefully it's going to

970
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Speaker 5: now start leading down to a manageable level again where

971
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Speaker 5: we're not talking about this on a day by day basis.

972
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Speaker 4: All right, let me get I want to get a

973
00:49:35,600 --> 00:49:38,680
Speaker 4: couple more quick texts in. You've got nowhere to go, right,

974
00:49:39,320 --> 00:49:39,759
Speaker 4: you don't have?

975
00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:40,759
Speaker 3: Maybe you do.

976
00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:44,359
Speaker 4: I'm getting the getting a grip. Okay, sure, I want

977
00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:48,560
Speaker 4: to be sure. Let me get to a couple more texts.

978
00:49:51,560 --> 00:49:53,720
Speaker 4: Hold on, let me scroll down. They're coming in fast

979
00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:58,600
Speaker 4: and furious. Please ask your guest, guest, what Republicans like

980
00:49:58,680 --> 00:50:01,080
Speaker 4: Tom Emmer and others are doing.

981
00:50:01,520 --> 00:50:05,600
Speaker 2: It's a good question. They're just playing the Sharks and

982
00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:06,120
Speaker 2: Jets game.

983
00:50:06,200 --> 00:50:06,359
Speaker 4: Right.

984
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:08,520
Speaker 3: I can't give any sustenance to the enemy.

985
00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:11,240
Speaker 4: So I'm going to pretend I'm gonna just I'm gonna

986
00:50:11,280 --> 00:50:12,320
Speaker 4: stick my head in the sand.

987
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:16,960
Speaker 5: And with respect to the Congress people in the state too,

988
00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:21,440
Speaker 5: that I think that it's incumbent upon literally every leader

989
00:50:21,640 --> 00:50:24,600
Speaker 5: to get yourself in the middle of things in order

990
00:50:24,680 --> 00:50:27,000
Speaker 5: to try to de escalate things for the entire state.

991
00:50:27,719 --> 00:50:30,279
Speaker 5: You know, you could make a reasonable argument if you're

992
00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:32,759
Speaker 5: Pete Stauber and you're up in Duluth, is that this

993
00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:35,200
Speaker 5: is not really my problem so much. It's not really

994
00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:37,200
Speaker 5: happening so much on there. This is more of a

995
00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:40,000
Speaker 5: Minneapolis problem. And I want to keep my nose out

996
00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:44,160
Speaker 5: of it. And I understand that. I just I just

997
00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:47,520
Speaker 5: think it reads such a crescendo that I think all

998
00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:49,919
Speaker 5: leaders have an obligation to kind of put their nose

999
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:50,840
Speaker 5: in I listen.

1000
00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:53,160
Speaker 2: As a candidate, I tried to put my nose into it.

1001
00:50:53,239 --> 00:50:57,400
Speaker 5: I contacted people and started suggesting various stuff. I really believe,

1002
00:50:57,680 --> 00:51:01,160
Speaker 5: and I've said this openly to numerous people in Immigration

1003
00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:05,600
Speaker 5: Customer's Enforcement. Do a use of force investigation on these officers.

1004
00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:09,040
Speaker 5: You know, it is it is just a bunch of

1005
00:51:09,080 --> 00:51:13,480
Speaker 5: pluses across the board for everyone, including the officers involved.

1006
00:51:13,719 --> 00:51:17,040
Speaker 5: But have somebody with some credibility look at these situations

1007
00:51:17,120 --> 00:51:20,080
Speaker 5: and publicize it so, you know, so we're not sitting

1008
00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:23,680
Speaker 5: here with people frankly like me armchair quarterbacking this.

1009
00:51:24,200 --> 00:51:27,120
Speaker 4: Your guest seems to ignore how Trump acts meanwhile slamming

1010
00:51:27,120 --> 00:51:29,880
Speaker 4: walls for unprofessional language. How about we talk about actions.

1011
00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:31,920
Speaker 4: How about we don't ignore the context of how Republicans

1012
00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:35,160
Speaker 4: have acted since the President emboldened them to act like

1013
00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:36,600
Speaker 4: horrendous people.

1014
00:51:36,680 --> 00:51:37,279
Speaker 2: Respectfully?

1015
00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:39,239
Speaker 5: Was your guest listening to me when I said that

1016
00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:42,839
Speaker 5: they're all acting like children. I mean, you know that

1017
00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:46,440
Speaker 5: includes everybody from Washington, DC, and that includes all the

1018
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:50,600
Speaker 5: leaders from Minnesota. So again, this is like people criticizing

1019
00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:52,200
Speaker 5: my video and I left, and they're saying, well, you

1020
00:51:52,280 --> 00:51:54,879
Speaker 5: never said anything about representing anybody. I'm like, you didn't

1021
00:51:54,920 --> 00:51:58,400
Speaker 5: watch the video, so you know, respectfully, Again, listen to

1022
00:51:58,440 --> 00:52:00,320
Speaker 5: what I'm saying before you're going to criticize.

1023
00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:01,719
Speaker 3: Well, you know, the mistake of the video wasn't it

1024
00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:02,240
Speaker 3: ten minutes?

1025
00:52:02,320 --> 00:52:02,919
Speaker 2: It's ten minutes.

1026
00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:07,919
Speaker 4: Come on, man, that was the first second video. First,

1027
00:52:07,960 --> 00:52:12,319
Speaker 4: we can't hang in that long. True criticism. I do

1028
00:52:12,360 --> 00:52:15,960
Speaker 4: some nuanced in I have no defense.

1029
00:52:16,320 --> 00:52:17,440
Speaker 3: Last two texts.

1030
00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:21,120
Speaker 4: I'm not sure who this dude is, but he's very

1031
00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:22,480
Speaker 4: articulate in his beliefs.

1032
00:52:22,520 --> 00:52:25,120
Speaker 5: Refreshing I need to have Chris Sell a lot on

1033
00:52:25,120 --> 00:52:25,839
Speaker 5: the campaign trail.

1034
00:52:25,880 --> 00:52:28,440
Speaker 4: By the way, it's like, who are you ye need

1035
00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:30,839
Speaker 4: to have Chris on weekly? Great guest, Well, you don't

1036
00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:32,640
Speaker 4: have anything else to do now, No.

1037
00:52:32,600 --> 00:52:33,040
Speaker 2: I got time.

1038
00:52:33,040 --> 00:52:33,640
Speaker 3: You have no case.

1039
00:52:33,880 --> 00:52:36,040
Speaker 5: I got time. And we live by each other, so

1040
00:52:36,080 --> 00:52:37,719
Speaker 5: it should be very very easy. You can put set

1041
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:38,880
Speaker 5: up a studio in my office.

1042
00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:39,560
Speaker 3: A great hour.

1043
00:52:39,640 --> 00:52:41,520
Speaker 4: I really appreciate the time, and I love you, and

1044
00:52:41,760 --> 00:52:44,440
Speaker 4: thanks again for the visit and we'll we'll definitely try

1045
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:45,080
Speaker 4: to keep in touch.

1046
00:52:45,080 --> 00:52:45,839
Speaker 2: Thanks. So it's great.

1047
00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:48,799
Speaker 4: Chris Maddel, I almost did it again. I don't know why.

1048
00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:53,040
Speaker 4: Occasionally I I I, you know, with trigger into metal.

1049
00:52:53,160 --> 00:52:56,480
Speaker 5: You can call me anyways off now that's true.

1050
00:52:56,520 --> 00:52:58,560
Speaker 4: And because I took me twelve years to pronounce my

1051
00:52:58,560 --> 00:53:00,560
Speaker 4: own name, Barrero is not an easy want to figure

1052
00:53:00,560 --> 00:53:04,040
Speaker 4: out when you're a kid. Very late, we'll get to

1053
00:53:04,120 --> 00:53:05,759
Speaker 4: the top of the hour break and maybe have about

1054
00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:07,120
Speaker 4: a two minute top five and five.

1055
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Speaker 3: Luigi Lunani will join a five