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Speaker 3: I don't know if you guys heard this, but the
Speaker 3: Power Trim Morning Show is going to Las Vegas in November.
Speaker 4: What time will that be? The eighteenth through the twenty third?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 3: Hell yeah, wow, Las Vegas, Nevada, it all. It happens
Speaker 3: to be the weekend of the F one race in Vegas.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 3: Max Verse Stappen just signed a new deal with Red
Speaker 3: Bull through twenty thirty.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 4: I believe Max Verse.
Speaker 3: Stappen will play Initials on Friday in Vegas.
Speaker 2: Oh that's awesome.
Speaker 3: I haven't asked him man for his people, but why wouldn't.
Speaker 3: He's got nothing to do.
Speaker 2: Right on Friday, Sam.
Speaker 3: Six fifteen, Vegas time, What does he get to do, yeah,
Speaker 3: play roulette.
Speaker 4: Oh he does have that. I guess he just.
Speaker 2: Had a lot of money. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we had heard some rumors that he was threatening
Speaker 1: to leave F one altogether.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, obviously I think that was a little bit
Speaker 2: of a just a strategy play, Yeah, a little strategy
Speaker 2: it was. You know, it's interesting because obviously he's one
Speaker 2: of the best to ever do it. And you know,
Speaker 2: I didn't realize that he and Horner did not see
Speaker 2: eye to eye, especially Max's dad Max Ya, that was
Speaker 2: not a problem. Yeah, I did not like Horner at all.
Speaker 2: So I think just when you thought he was going
Speaker 2: to get pulled by Mercedes or somebody like that, you
Speaker 2: get rid of Horner and you pretty much call the
Speaker 2: shots there at Red Bull now and get yourself a
Speaker 2: fat contract.
Speaker 4: Yeah, this is according to AI.
Speaker 3: What do you think his base salary is from Red
Speaker 3: Bull on a yearly basis.
Speaker 2: Forty million?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'd say fifty.
Speaker 2: I was going to say somewhere around eighty. Jeez, I
Speaker 2: was going to say thirty. I mean forty.
Speaker 3: According to AI, his base racing salary through Red Bull
Speaker 3: seventy million dollars a year on track.
Speaker 4: Bonuses of about eight million a year.
Speaker 3: Off track endorsements around eight million a year, so their
Speaker 3: best estimate, according to Forbes, is around eighty six million
Speaker 3: dollars a year.
Speaker 2: Geez, tell you what, there's only what twenty two drivers
Speaker 2: in the world. They can do that. That's right.
Speaker 3: Also, because he maintains his primary residency in Monaco, he
Speaker 3: pays zero percent income tax on the eighty six million.
Speaker 2: A lot of there's a lot of drivers that have
Speaker 2: residents there and I live there.
Speaker 5: You could you could tell when you go to Monaco
Speaker 5: it is I got it good. It is the most
Speaker 5: affluent place that I think I've ever been where I
Speaker 5: legit was like, I'm going to kick myself out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, isn't that statistically true? Per capita, it's like the
Speaker 2: isn't it the richest? That's right. I think it's the
Speaker 2: richest city in the in the world.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you see like massive yachts. I mean not just
Speaker 5: Aston Martin's, an Aston Martin's store. Yeah you know you have, Yes,
Speaker 5: they had a dealership next to the Ferrari store.
Speaker 2: It was ridiculous.
Speaker 6: You are correct, Ben, Monica Richester city in the world
Speaker 6: per capita, average individual wealth.
Speaker 2: Anybody want to.
Speaker 3: Guess average individual wealth the average individual wealth, so net
Speaker 3: worth of an average citizen of Monaco, I don't know. Well,
Speaker 3: I mean millions, right, The fact that you're laughing means
Speaker 3: it's multi millions. Let's just start there. So all right,
Speaker 3: I'll say I'll say five mills twenty twenty is.
Speaker 6: The average more than of residents hold millionaire millionaire status.
Speaker 6: Prime real estate thirty eight dollars first square meter.
Speaker 1: They gotta have people to break the beaches though, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: come on, man, they don't probably live in the city proper.
Speaker 2: They take the train in, yeah right, Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 2: It's a gorgeous place though.
Speaker 4: Man, it's it's a lot of fun.
Speaker 1: I've just i mean, I've seen the same views of
Speaker 1: that over and over for most of my life, and
Speaker 1: it's unbelievable.
Speaker 2: It's just unbelievable.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's incredible. Especially you're taking the train in from
Speaker 5: these two. It's like, oh my god.
Speaker 1: It's streets aren't very wide, and they find a way
Speaker 1: to crazy.
Speaker 5: You can see like the you know, the tire marks
Speaker 5: in the streets from the cars.
Speaker 2: It's super cool. That's also kind of why that race
Speaker 2: is not very funny, because it's all about qualifying because
Speaker 2: it's hard to pass. I mean they can, they can
Speaker 2: pass a little bit, I think in that bridge area,
Speaker 2: but there's not a lot of overtake places. And so
Speaker 2: wherever you qualify, as long as you keep your car clean,
Speaker 2: that's kind of where you're gonna be. Think.
Speaker 1: Can you imagine the kind of concentration it takes to
Speaker 1: stay within those walls for that amount of time every
Speaker 1: lap and you got to hear your mark every time,
Speaker 1: every single time, every unbelievable because the money, because the
Speaker 1: power trip is going to be there during F one weekend.
Speaker 3: I think as soon as the Vegas Strip starts flipping
Speaker 3: the strip into the track, we should probably have daily
Speaker 3: Vegas F one and construction updates.
Speaker 6: You probably should update people on August thirty first is
Speaker 6: when they start, all.
Speaker 3: Right, so eleven days away from contant to F one
Speaker 3: updates right here in the.
Speaker 1: First'll be live. I'll be doing him live from out there.
Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely love it.
Speaker 1: Speaking of money, I know that we've talked about this
Speaker 1: kind of individually in different stories, but did you guys
Speaker 1: see the entire list of the value of each NFL franchise?
Speaker 2: No, No, sport coos got.
Speaker 1: It obviously, the number one team because I think this
Speaker 1: is why it's it's being reported because the number one
Speaker 1: most expensive teams networth.
Speaker 2: No, it's Dallas.
Speaker 3: Oh I thought maybe because of the new sale is
Speaker 3: like epic correct, But yeah, sure Dallas.
Speaker 1: Fifteen point five billion dollars total valuation of the Dallas
Speaker 1: Cowboys number two. Who do you think the Rams yeper
Speaker 1: Number two is Rams top point seven billion? Number three Broncos. No,
Speaker 1: they are down in fifteenth.
Speaker 2: Oh really? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was tinking Giants or Jets, but like, yeah,
Speaker 3: I wasn't sure how that worked.
Speaker 1: Its Giants at twelve billion. So it goes Cowboys, Rams Giants.
Speaker 2: Oh you know what I was thinking, it was like
Speaker 2: owner wealth. Oh I think the isn't the owner of
Speaker 2: the Broncos like the it's the Walmart family. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: the Walton snookidding.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it goes Cowboys, Rams, Giants, and then the Patriots
Speaker 1: surprisingly at ten point four billion. The Jets are number five,
Speaker 1: up three spots to ten point three five, then the Eagles,
Speaker 1: the Dolphins, the forty nine Ers, the Raiders up to ninth,
Speaker 1: and the Falcons.
Speaker 2: The Falcons are that long.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'd never would in a million years would have
Speaker 5: guessed the Dolphins in the top ten.
Speaker 1: No, where do you think the Vikings are? And they
Speaker 1: dropped three spots this year.
Speaker 2: As far as valuation, YEP.
Speaker 1: Evaluation for twenty twenty six, you're Minnesota.
Speaker 4: Vikings twentieth eighteen or nineteen year sixteen. Yeah, somewhere in
Speaker 4: the middle. Twenty one twenty three.
Speaker 1: Damn wow, down three spots behind the Browns and the Packers.
Speaker 2: They were twentyeth behind the Browns.
Speaker 1: Yeah wow, Browns were up two spots and I'm not
Speaker 1: sure why.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Well, I mean, if you're behind.
Speaker 3: The Browns in anything, you're doing something extremely wrong.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's over.
Speaker 2: We're at least valued team in the NFL. Who do
Speaker 2: you think it is?
Speaker 4: I would have guessed Miami. Jacksonville made that.
Speaker 2: Arizona's twenty.
Speaker 4: No, they just got a new stadium, right, does that matter?
Speaker 1: Jacksonville's number twenty nine? They're up two spots.
Speaker 2: There's gotta be a weird team. Colts.
Speaker 1: Colts are number thirty, Saints are thirty one, Carolina Carolina
Speaker 1: at twenty six.
Speaker 2: Not Houston. Who's worthless? See this team? Well, they're not worthless, not.
Speaker 1: Worthless, especially with their quarterback. Nope, Nope, Detroit is twenty seven.
Speaker 1: The Commanders, commanders are where are they? It must be
Speaker 1: Oh they're number eleven.
Speaker 2: Oh wow, Tampa they have the new stadium.
Speaker 4: Can't be Vegas?
Speaker 2: Have us eighteen? Vegas is way up there. The number
Speaker 2: ninety are we figured a very good quarterback?
Speaker 4: Detroit the Chargers?
Speaker 1: Nope, nope, Detroit's twenty seven. Chargers are nineteen.
Speaker 2: I'll just tell you, no, we've named every city of sixteen.
Speaker 1: You haven't named the Cincinnati Bengals. Oh, number thirty two.
Speaker 3: Off?
Speaker 2: Because who said the Saints? You go close?
Speaker 1: You thought geographically, like, oh, I'm sorry, okay, well they
Speaker 1: were thirty first.
Speaker 2: I'm well that's what I missed. We got real close.
Speaker 2: We have a team and missus now yeah.
Speaker 1: Uh so the category let's see a team really.
Speaker 2: Business of an idea. It doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: I was going to tell you the different things, but uh,
Speaker 1: the some of the enterprise, the summer, the some of
Speaker 1: the enterprise value of an NFL franchise combined with the
Speaker 1: value of team related businesses and real estate holdings, I know.
Speaker 2: So that's why I'm like really shocked that we're twenty three.
Speaker 1: And I'm not surprised that the Patriots are number four
Speaker 1: because they own basically that part of the country.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that all of Foxborough. Believable. It's it's Patriot Town.
Speaker 2: And you know, and you know you heard that Craft
Speaker 2: was he was pretty butt heard about the nfl PA
Speaker 2: questionnaire thing that came out the players survey and he
Speaker 2: got docked for being a bad owner because of air
Speaker 2: facilities and all this other stuff. So he started construction
Speaker 2: immediately right next to the stadium to like re up
Speaker 2: and modernize all the player stuff.
Speaker 3: So wait a minute, if you if you complain enough,
Speaker 3: you just get new stuff.
Speaker 2: If you've got a good enough and rich enough owner. Yeah,
Speaker 2: oh yeah, there there is any from what I hear.
Speaker 1: The massage facilities around there, gorgeous.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the same thing in Cleveland.
Speaker 2: Velvet drapes, private rooms.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, they changed those drapes on a lot.
Speaker 4: They have to ye pay only in cash. Yeah, we'll
Speaker 4: use a credit card though.
Speaker 1: I'm ashamed. And nobody keep dracking my money playing me.
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Speaker 2: To talk to you. Wow, Hi do you hi? Pee wee.
Speaker 1: There's a documentary coming out about Dane Cook's brother, the comedian,
Speaker 1: and you might be saying, why, yeah, why, I'll tell
Speaker 1: you why.
Speaker 2: Thank your partner FBI and for something.
Speaker 3: What happened?
Speaker 2: Have you done?
Speaker 8: A person that spent so much time pretending to be
Speaker 8: something he was from the moment he left that bank,
Speaker 8: My brother disappeared.
Speaker 3: There were bricks of hundreds in all the spaghetti sauce.
Speaker 2: And the pasta sauce. Of course, where else would you
Speaker 2: put the money?
Speaker 4: Where is he?
Speaker 2: What has he done?
Speaker 4: How does this end?
Speaker 1: Ten million dollars. Apparently he took from Dane what. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and he disappeared.
Speaker 2: They don't know where he's at. I guess not. That's
Speaker 2: how I came. I know from your brother. Wow, I
Speaker 2: know taking notes?
Speaker 4: Care what am I doing?
Speaker 2: Your brother won that lottery right? Yeah?
Speaker 4: It was only ten grand and he does work in
Speaker 4: a bank.
Speaker 3: Though I could rob the bank, it's not really, it's
Speaker 3: not stealing from him.
Speaker 2: I want to steal it.
Speaker 4: And you need to stop.
Speaker 6: We haven't really talked about that enough that you've been
Speaker 6: talking about a heist and stealing from a bank while
Speaker 6: your own brother.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and he's always said, he's like, best of luck,
Speaker 3: you got no chance. I'm like, that's part of the challenge.
Speaker 3: I want you to tell me it's not possible. Doubting us, Well,
Speaker 3: you're never going to get into the vault and this,
Speaker 3: and then they find you in the treat.
Speaker 2: I get it.
Speaker 3: That's why it's gonna take me a long time to
Speaker 3: figure out the puzzle and pull it off.
Speaker 2: We're gonna say, watch me, but guess what, you're not
Speaker 2: gonna see us. If it was easy, everyone would do it.
Speaker 3: Come on, come on, Mark, Yeah, all right, ready, Yeah,
Speaker 3: let's do it.
Speaker 9: And now it's time for headlines presented vine around.
Speaker 3: Then we do it right, All right, we're starting with
Speaker 3: trivia right out of the gate.
Speaker 2: Why not?
Speaker 3: But I read this this morning and I didn't know this,
Speaker 3: and I want you guys to think about this for
Speaker 3: a second. You know, the old the radar gun in
Speaker 3: Major League Baseball hasn't been around forever. It's technology, right,
Speaker 3: It wasn't around in the thirteen hundreds, you know they
Speaker 3: started baseball, is either, But now we have baseball and
Speaker 3: we have the radar gun. Who was the first year,
Speaker 3: who was the first picture in what was the year
Speaker 3: that a major league baseball pitcher was clocked at.
Speaker 4: Over one hundred miles an hour?
Speaker 3: Who was the first major league baseball pitcher clocked it
Speaker 3: over one hundred miles an hour?
Speaker 2: And white year?
Speaker 4: Did this person do it?
Speaker 10: Man?
Speaker 2: Let me thank you.
Speaker 1: Let me break this down, ladies and gentlemen.
Speaker 4: When do you.
Speaker 2: Okay, when do you guys feel like the radar gun
Speaker 2: technology was invented? Question? Eight seventies?
Speaker 1: Oh no, No, I mean we had radar back in
Speaker 1: World War Two?
Speaker 2: Did we not? Yeah? But as far as commercial usage and.
Speaker 5: In baseball, yeah, I mean if he's asking the name,
Speaker 5: it's got to be someone that he thinks that we
Speaker 5: could pull, right.
Speaker 2: You would think, yeah, it can't be just some rando
Speaker 2: baseball player. Back in the sixties, Rambo was a baseball
Speaker 2: He was the first to throw one hundred, and he
Speaker 2: was the first to draw blood. That's illegal. Don't put
Speaker 2: that on the ball.
Speaker 4: Great film.
Speaker 2: I don't know when you guys think the radar gun
Speaker 2: was in or at least used in baseball. I mean
Speaker 2: gotta be like late seventies, early eighties, right, See, I
Speaker 2: was think in late seventies too, but nineteen fifty two
Speaker 2: Joe DiMaggio show.
Speaker 11: Okay, anybody else with an actual pitcher?
Speaker 2: I don't know. Yeah, in that time here throwing one hundred.
Speaker 2: I don't think Maddox ever touched ninety five? Is it
Speaker 2: Nolan Ryan? Is it rolly fingers?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 2: That guy? Great name? Yeah?
Speaker 4: Is it BG?
Speaker 2: Is it juve h? Randy Johnson nineteen eighty eight.
Speaker 3: The radar gun was introduced in the early seventies in
Speaker 3: Major League Baseball, and in nineteen seventy four, sauce yes,
Speaker 3: Nolan Ryan the first one to do it.
Speaker 4: He was the first one over one hundred.
Speaker 3: Fifty two years ago today. By the way, he was
Speaker 3: the first to do it. Nice August twentieth, nineteen seventy four,
Speaker 3: Housers Nolan Ryan.
Speaker 2: What a stud that guy was. Yeah, he'd fight you.
Speaker 2: Oh he would fight you. Yeahd fight you.
Speaker 3: Uh, Chris Hanna, because I think you said something about
Speaker 3: this earlier and you were correct. Here a second uh,
Speaker 3: Bob Feller in nineteen forty six using military timing equipment.
Speaker 3: So again they had similar technology, but not the modern
Speaker 3: version of a radar gun was clocked at ninety eight
Speaker 3: point six, but it wasn't recognized to be as accurate
Speaker 3: as the ones later, so he got close, but it
Speaker 3: was old timey technology.
Speaker 2: Well five version of a raid hot gun exactly.
Speaker 4: The only one that gets that joke.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you're the only one I didn't get it.
Speaker 4: It's a pearl jam joke.
Speaker 2: Jam. Oh yeah, I'll.
Speaker 3: A woman in Philadelphia described her terrifying encounter with a
Speaker 3: man who police say threatened and chase six people last
Speaker 3: week within a half an hour while wearing a Chucky
Speaker 3: style mask.
Speaker 1: Yeah, in Philly. And here's why I love it. This
Speaker 1: could only happen in Philly. Listen to what she says
Speaker 1: at the end of this quote.
Speaker 12: So I started to wave at her across from the
Speaker 12: intersection and say, hey, there's someone behind you. I figured
Speaker 12: that if anything was going to happen, I wanted to
Speaker 12: see it with my own two eyes. He just seemed
Speaker 12: so disoriented about what his goals actually were. Like I
Speaker 12: had bags, he wasn't reaching for those. It didn't seem
Speaker 12: like he had a clear goal to like actually get
Speaker 12: a lock alone to do anything. So I was like, Okay,
Speaker 12: well let's see if you can fight it, and he couldn't.
Speaker 2: She tried to fight get him. Yeah, you can fight him.
Speaker 1: That's a Philly girl right there. Yeah, it looks like
Speaker 1: we're gonna throw it down.
Speaker 2: Yeah, as the police sirens are still off, but for
Speaker 2: a different reason for her whooped his ass. Yeah, man,
Speaker 2: that is kind of terrifying.
Speaker 1: Are you kidding?
Speaker 4: Of course?
Speaker 2: I put up numbers those six people in thirty minutes. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's a good point.
Speaker 4: What a weird thing though.
Speaker 3: We just saw that the other day that the guy
Speaker 3: that dressed up as like the Grim Reaper and stood
Speaker 3: outside of a hospital. Terrible, but it's a terrible thing.
Speaker 3: But like, is it illegal? It's like this weird thing
Speaker 3: like if you run around in a chucky mask and
Speaker 3: don't threaten anybody, if you just run around full.
Speaker 4: Speed chucky mask.
Speaker 2: Yeah, how is that illegal?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 2: No, you're right, but I'll tell you what terrifying. It's
Speaker 2: the last city I go to.
Speaker 4: Yeah, or you might get the but Jesus kicked out.
Speaker 2: Have you guys seen there's a there's an account on
Speaker 2: Instagram where a guy where it's a a Michael Myers
Speaker 2: mask and just sits in his car and then we'll
Speaker 2: pull up to some ant a stoplight and just like
Speaker 2: stare at him there and slow head turn yeah, and
Speaker 2: just get their reaction.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's pretty.
Speaker 4: It's like the Boogeyman from Widow's Bay.
Speaker 1: Oh boy, gotta watch it. I'm too obsessed with Lioness
Speaker 1: right now, but I will.
Speaker 3: Uh wow, here's a an unguessable number, right who gets
Speaker 3: the closest sixty nine? Well, last couple of days, the
Speaker 3: national debt has been in the news because we crossed.
Speaker 4: The forty trillion dollar mark a lot.
Speaker 13: They're good.
Speaker 3: Yes, the national debt is growing at an astonishing rate
Speaker 3: of how much money per second second over the last year.
Speaker 4: Again, an unanswer. I mean, like, how are you guys
Speaker 4: going to know this? Nobody?
Speaker 3: No, there's no bad guesses unless sauces ten dollars an
Speaker 3: hour or sorry, ten dollars a second.
Speaker 4: There's no bad guesses.
Speaker 2: But because eighteen million, I was going to say something
Speaker 2: crazy like.
Speaker 4: I don't know a second per second?
Speaker 2: Thirty five million, yeah.
Speaker 9: Ten million, sixty five million, jeez, Becky, oh, I mean
Speaker 9: a second?
Speaker 4: Yeah, some of this is math related.
Speaker 3: So I'm putting you guys in a really bad spot,
Speaker 3: which is not fair, but still, yeah, I came.
Speaker 6: In fathom exactly twenty four hours, one hundred, one hundred
Speaker 6: and twenty four thousand.
Speaker 4: There you go, Zachary ninety thousand a second.
Speaker 2: Geez, Becky, Oh.
Speaker 3: My good, ninety thousand dollars a second.
Speaker 2: It's going up. Yeah, whoopsie.
Speaker 4: Money too. Boeing might have to rehire Bowe.
Speaker 3: He might have to rehire a sixty three year old
Speaker 3: blind man to build planes after he sued them for
Speaker 3: wrongful termination.
Speaker 4: What powertra Morning Show is pro blind people.
Speaker 11: I want to say that before anybody else has a
Speaker 11: chance to take the opposite take.
Speaker 3: We're pro blind. I'm gonna say it, say it. I
Speaker 3: don't know if I want blind people making my planes. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you're probably correct. I don't know why that makes me
Speaker 3: extremely nervous.
Speaker 2: Sixty three, he's an actual plane builder. Is he has
Speaker 2: work up bowing and you have to be blind.
Speaker 3: It says to build planes. So I don't know what
Speaker 3: his job is. And maybe he's like the best in
Speaker 3: the world.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know. And he's sixty three. Maybe he's
Speaker 4: been doing this for forty years.
Speaker 2: I don't know why.
Speaker 4: That just makes me nervous.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna be flying airbus now. Yeah.
Speaker 4: I don't know anything.
Speaker 1: But I just got an email from m Rosen.
Speaker 2: Oh no, terrible.
Speaker 4: What did he say?
Speaker 2: I can't believe he said this email.
Speaker 1: It says, why don't they just tell him he's building
Speaker 1: of Rose Rosie different?
Speaker 2: It's a great though.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I'm on Rosie side.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Can they just give him an office and just
Speaker 2: tell him? Like, yeah, you just that's terrible. You just
Speaker 2: keep building planes there, buddy.
Speaker 4: I'm against all of that.
Speaker 2: Do Uh.
Speaker 4: Today is National Bacon Lover's Day.
Speaker 2: Ah yes, hell yeah, that's sweet belly. Yeah. Oh, it's
Speaker 2: just everything's better. That was what Sauce's nickname was in
Speaker 2: high school. Boom, pork, belly pork, m oh chin up,
Speaker 2: chet up there, chop. When's your next concert?
Speaker 6: Doc?
Speaker 4: Yeah tomorrow, come on, I'll be there.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Thanks, Oh you guys.
Speaker 4: Any of you guys gen z Ers? What generation are
Speaker 4: you guys?
Speaker 12: Again?
Speaker 3: Max?
Speaker 4: Max, and Zach? Are you millennials?
Speaker 2: What do you guess?
Speaker 7: What? X?
Speaker 2: I think?
Speaker 3: I think I'm technically a gen xer.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 4: No, wait, I for always forget I'm right on the border.
Speaker 3: Nineteen eighty is like the border for one of them,
Speaker 3: So I forget which one i'm technically and it doesn't matter.
Speaker 4: But whatever gen z is.
Speaker 3: What percentage of them say they have zero face to
Speaker 3: face interactions with another person in.
Speaker 2: Their daily life?
Speaker 5: Oh?
Speaker 2: Come on? Zero?
Speaker 3: Yeah, so there's a percentage of the like, I never
Speaker 3: see anybody, you know, not like once in all, but
Speaker 3: on a daily basis their regular routine, zero people in
Speaker 3: their average day.
Speaker 2: Twenty yeah.
Speaker 4: Ten.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'd hate to say something that high, but
Speaker 2: I would say twelve percent eight seven days.
Speaker 3: You guys are all dancer. Yeah, I think saw us
Speaker 3: that a ten percent is the right answer. Ten percent
Speaker 3: of gen z or say zero face to face interactions
Speaker 3: on a daily basis.
Speaker 5: I bet that umber goes up the more generations you go.
Speaker 4: Are correct?
Speaker 2: How do the French kids?
Speaker 1: I got an email from an Emeralds. He says, what
Speaker 1: about face to ace this early email talking about poker?
Speaker 1: I guess, oh, yeah, online poker. He's not being crass. No,
Speaker 1: of course, why would Rosie ever be crass?
Speaker 2: It's different.
Speaker 1: Are you saying, I don't think it's marks Emeralds, You're
Speaker 1: something it's Matt, Yeah, could be Matt.
Speaker 4: Try this wonder.
Speaker 3: Speaking of the generations, if we take out zero to
Speaker 3: ten year olds, that's what decade of ages, right, ten,
Speaker 3: the twenties, twenties to thirties, thirties to forty by so
Speaker 3: on and so forth, is the least afraid of AI.
Speaker 3: According to our recent survey, give me the ten year
Speaker 3: age range in multiples of ten, that is currently the
Speaker 3: least afraid of AI.
Speaker 2: Man fifty to sixty year.
Speaker 5: Old, Yeah, I want to say anecdotally, old people have
Speaker 5: embraced AI fully like, yeah, a lot of men in
Speaker 5: my life fall for AI.
Speaker 2: I would say fifty to sixty.
Speaker 3: Yep, that is the correct answer. People in their fifties
Speaker 3: are the group that are the least afraid of it.
Speaker 2: Bringing on, who cares? I don't got much time left anyway. Yeah, wow,
Speaker 2: well I think that's yeah. Yeah. If you feel like
Speaker 2: you're close to retirement, you're like, whatever, screw you, guys,
Speaker 2: I'm going to take my job. Fine.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think I think, really, when it comes
Speaker 3: down to it, that's what it is.
Speaker 4: It isn't is the Is the.
Speaker 3: AI going to create an army of robots that's going
Speaker 3: to wipe out the human species?
Speaker 4: It's not that it is.
Speaker 3: It is job related and money related, right, It's it's
Speaker 3: the workforce.
Speaker 4: If you're at the end of your working bubble, yep.
Speaker 3: I think you're going if robots are delivering my mail,
Speaker 3: I don't know if I care. But if you're twenty
Speaker 3: and you're like, what am I going to do for
Speaker 3: a job for the next sixty years, then you're terrified
Speaker 3: of AI. I wonder if they ask the same question though,
Speaker 3: like are you worried about essentially AI warfare in your lifetime?
Speaker 3: Like are you nervous that they're going to truly try
Speaker 3: to take over the planet? They know for sure. I
Speaker 3: wonder what group would be like, Oh, is it the same?
Speaker 3: I wonder if it's is it still the kids in
Speaker 3: their twenties teams.
Speaker 2: I met you, the yeah ten to twenty, Yeah, I'm sure.
Speaker 3: Twenty to thirty because they think in their lifetime that
Speaker 3: is theoretically not impossible.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: So I feel like on the on the younger and
Speaker 5: and on the older, and it's being it's like widely embraced,
Speaker 5: but it's people like me and Zacho's age that are like,
Speaker 5: hold on, I'm minute now.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. Well, the weird thing is all of the
Speaker 2: all of the twenty to thirty year olds use AI
Speaker 2: every day for to either study or for their job.
Speaker 2: But yet they're increase in the frequency that that's going
Speaker 2: to take their job at some point. Yeah. Great, wit.
Speaker 3: You know how every time we do those like hey,
Speaker 3: what percentage of Americans believe in ghosts?
Speaker 4: And it's like thirty nine percent, You're like, my gosh.
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, that's me. It should be like eighty eighty five.
Speaker 4: Yeah, zero, But about.
Speaker 3: What percentage of Americans? I think Tupac is still alive?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, my cousin Mark does Papa.
Speaker 4: No, No, no, no, your cousin Mark.
Speaker 11: You don't never.
Speaker 3: Oh that's Marlar. I was gonna say, you don't have
Speaker 3: a cousin Mark heard of them right now?
Speaker 9: Marlar Yeah, in trouble Marlar yeah, not Popa, I mean
Speaker 9: Papa probably all right?
Speaker 3: What percentage think Tupac is still alive? Rose Rosie hadn't
Speaker 3: ask you to guess? Forty five?
Speaker 2: Oh it's Kelly Well thirty percent twelve.
Speaker 3: Here's what I love about this poll. The answer is
Speaker 3: four four percent say he's absolutely still alive. Twenty four
Speaker 3: percent say they aren't sure. Number four. I just I
Speaker 3: actually think I'm more confused by those people.
Speaker 4: Yeah, how do you not.
Speaker 2: Have a take?
Speaker 4: I don't know who is well?
Speaker 3: Maybe, but like the four percent are like, yes, he's alive,
Speaker 3: and I you know they're the Elvis is alive.
Speaker 2: JFK.
Speaker 3: Junior is alive, and Prince is alive. They're all alive.
Speaker 3: Somehow they're all alive. Michael Jackson's alive.
Speaker 4: But for sure.
Speaker 3: The twenty four percent just going, I don't know, I
Speaker 3: need to see more evidence, right, Like, really.
Speaker 4: Okay, I guess thirty years you're not sure about this? Tupac?
Speaker 2: Yeah, Daddy Sauce. What percentage of Americans think that Stevie
Speaker 2: Wonder is not blind? Well?
Speaker 4: Shaquille O'Neal and myself. That's two out of three hundred
Speaker 4: and thirty million. I mean, I would say five percent.
Speaker 4: I wonder. It's a good question.
Speaker 2: Yeah. My other hot take about this whole thing is
Speaker 2: I think the whole Helen Keller thing is just a big, big,
Speaker 2: fraudulent farce.
Speaker 4: Wo wow, you're getting emails.
Speaker 2: That's a that's a hell of it take. You think
Speaker 2: there's a lot of people fake explain that explain how
Speaker 2: she did all the things that she did when she
Speaker 2: was poorly, she was deaf, blind, and meat.
Speaker 3: I don't know Stevie Wonder's making plans for boeing. You're
Speaker 3: getting emails, but what.
Speaker 2: About something that doesn't logically make sense? It is an
Speaker 2: interesting thing, isn't it.
Speaker 6: I did watch some reputable people talk about it, and really, yeah,
Speaker 6: Like basically they're saying, because everybody else in the human
Speaker 6: history that has been born blind and deaf has not
Speaker 6: been able to develop properly their brain because they they
Speaker 6: don't have the exposure. And so it's just very odd
Speaker 6: that you have, you know, everybody else who in her
Speaker 6: case has a very limited i Q. And then she
Speaker 6: can go off and and write and do all this
Speaker 6: other stuff.
Speaker 2: It's still very possible, probable, but maybe she had Stephen
Speaker 2: Hawkings brain inside there. You know, you never know?
Speaker 4: Yes, family, who knows?
Speaker 2: Who knows?
Speaker 1: I still I'm gonna die. We're going to do controversial
Speaker 1: taste someone and do one myself. Let the guy who
Speaker 1: shot Tupac go. He got away with it, all right,
Speaker 1: it's been thirty years.
Speaker 4: Good job.
Speaker 5: He would have gotten away with it if he didn't
Speaker 5: go on every podcast in America and say, I'm the
Speaker 5: guy that shot tupac'sicor J.
Speaker 4: Wrote a book.
Speaker 6: If just read a story that has Tupac's friends smoked
Speaker 6: him after that?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's that's real.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 2: Him up and smoked him when he died.
Speaker 9: They put it in the joint number one to do
Speaker 9: that to you? Yeah, I mean they you know Max
Speaker 9: and I would know. It's called a spliff. But yeah,
Speaker 9: they smoked him in a spliff. Yeah, I'd smoke a
Speaker 9: sauce spliff.
Speaker 2: For you have enough for years? Wouldn't we take a
Speaker 2: deep breath?
Speaker 4: Man, you don't have to pile.
Speaker 2: Those kids at Penn State would be selling it for years.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, how about that story.
Speaker 2: I can't wait for the documentary. I heard that the.
Speaker 1: City of a diner is going to use your head
Speaker 1: as one of those winter soccer stadiums for the kiddos.
Speaker 2: I don't believe like I hated me.
Speaker 4: Yeah, good, you guys hate me.
Speaker 2: I love you.
Speaker 1: If I hated you, I wouldn't talk to you.
Speaker 3: You remember the End of a Dark Night where Joker goes,
Speaker 3: I don't want.
Speaker 4: To kill you? Oh you complete me? I think that
Speaker 4: was that was Jerry mc Yeah, the Joker stole that.
Speaker 4: Do be yeah, Path, I'd smoke Abi all right.
Speaker 3: Ben for a second. Ben's the only one that gets
Speaker 3: the guests. Yes, And I think Ben can get this
Speaker 3: if you just take a breath and take like fifteen
Speaker 3: seconds and think about.
Speaker 4: This one million males.
Speaker 3: CBS Sports put together their list of the most overpaid
Speaker 3: player at every.
Speaker 4: Position in the end.
Speaker 3: Okay, most paid at every position in the NFL. The
Speaker 3: only one I care about is quarterback. Who do they have?
Speaker 3: Take a second? The most overpaid quarterback in the NFL.
Speaker 3: It's the right answer, But I just want to see
Speaker 3: if you can get there. I'm believing you, Ben, I
Speaker 3: believe I believe in you. Peter, No, nope, I that
Speaker 3: I know who it is.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I think I know who it is. Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: Justin Herbert Nope, I know. I I'm just trying to
Speaker 2: think of like a big name that'd be like shocking.
Speaker 2: Jordan Love Nope, is it. Can we all guess what
Speaker 2: was a shocking name?
Speaker 5: I guess Trevor Lawrence, Josh Allen, Nope, it has to
Speaker 5: be Trevor Lawrence.
Speaker 2: Nope. Is Kyler rock Party Nope? Nope, got it? Sure does.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, Deshaun Watson.
Speaker 2: Deshaun Watson. Yeah yeah, Okay, now that makes that makes
Speaker 2: The funny thing is I don't even think about him
Speaker 2: as an NFL.
Speaker 3: Playing either, even, but everyone is saying it's like it
Speaker 3: looks like it's his job to lose, right.
Speaker 4: That he's Sanders sucks. Well, I mean there's that Colonel Yep.
Speaker 2: Oh it's extra crispy.
Speaker 4: It's bo.
Speaker 13: That's wrong, Colonel Sanders dropping hot bars.
Speaker 4: I thought you were going to get food hogs.
Speaker 2: If I will.
Speaker 4: Thanks for answering my text though.
Speaker 3: So this person sends for their Minard's rebate and big
Speaker 3: money and they're waiting for it.
Speaker 4: In the mail, and they're waiting for it in the
Speaker 4: mail and they don't get it.
Speaker 3: Oh no, so they reach out to Minards and they're like, hey,
Speaker 3: I didn't get my rebate, and Minard says, yeah, you did.
Speaker 3: You cash it, it's been redeemed. And they say, well, no,
Speaker 3: I didn't.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah you did.
Speaker 3: We sent it to you. It's been redeemed. Well, then
Speaker 3: they start getting a little curious because the person's like, well,
Speaker 3: I promise you I did not something's wrong here. A
Speaker 3: forty five year old USPS worker in Iowa named Jill
Speaker 3: Brown has been arrested for stealing Minard's rebates from people's
Speaker 3: mail and redunding them herself. And it sounds like it
Speaker 3: wasn't a one time deal. She's done this many times
Speaker 3: over the last two years. So not only would she
Speaker 3: steal the rebate cards being sent out, she'd steal also
Speaker 3: the receipts that customers were mailing into Minards to get
Speaker 3: the rebate, and then she would send them in herself.
Speaker 4: All your hand is up, the mail steeler would hot, Yeah,
Speaker 4: she's forty five and rich. Yeah, she's got Minard's gift cards.
Speaker 2: That caah man. Yeah, she knows how to saw some wood.
Speaker 3: Have you guys ever sent in a Minard's rebate? No, No,
Speaker 3: I wonder how long is it probably is like a
Speaker 3: six to eight week thing. My guess is it takes
Speaker 3: a while to get back.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would think so six eight weeks.
Speaker 4: Is that exactly what it is? Six eight weeks?
Speaker 3: So you wait six to eight weeks and then think
Speaker 3: about that, like you probably a lot of people probably
Speaker 3: just forget.
Speaker 4: But this person was like, where is it?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: And Minars was like you redeemed it? Nope, Jill Brown
Speaker 3: did from Iowa six.
Speaker 2: To eight weeks, waiting every day for the mail carriag
Speaker 2: just to drop off your mail. Yeah, I guess.
Speaker 4: Oh that's sad. I know.
Speaker 3: Happy fifty six. This is a reverse birthday trivia. Happy
Speaker 3: fifty sixth birthday to one of the greatest musicians in
Speaker 3: American history, Kenny G.
Speaker 4: That's exactly what I was gonna say.
Speaker 2: Are there I think I think.
Speaker 3: Kenny G's older than fifties, fifty seventies, fifty six, Robert Thomas,
Speaker 3: Geen Thomas, the rights era, Right, you're in the right era,
Speaker 3: Manny Fresh, Don King.
Speaker 2: Eddy Vedder, Pat McAfee. Okay, this is.
Speaker 1: You.
Speaker 3: Guys probably think I'm exaggerated. I'm talking about like generational talent.
Speaker 2: Oh, John bon Jovi.
Speaker 10: Yanni, fifty six, Silk the Shocker, very close, Savvy loves Socker,
Speaker 10: Doctor Dre Yeah, Master p Yeah yeah, Amy.
Speaker 5: Adams, Kirkle Banks, Yeah, Buster Rhymes, Dusty mont h Why
Speaker 5: are you guys?
Speaker 4: Can't you take anything I do?
Speaker 3: Seriously, you guys are like giving the Johnson you guys
Speaker 3: are you guys are guessing? You know these sarcastic names.
Speaker 3: I said, generational talent.
Speaker 2: William Oh got it, super hung.
Speaker 4: Cleon Loaf, He's dead and he's way older.
Speaker 3: Happy birthday to fred Durst Olympus and he's fifty six today.
Speaker 4: Fred Durst.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, fred Durst. Good for him.
Speaker 4: Man Ben, Yeah, I know you watched this show.
Speaker 3: Uh, the series finale on Netflix of Outer Banks. It's
Speaker 3: over tonight. But I guess there's a prequel series Outer Banks.
Speaker 3: Isn't this the one like your kids like it and
Speaker 3: like the creator about her Banks is like from Minnesota
Speaker 3: or something.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's something.
Speaker 3: There's there's a Minnesota connection Outer Banks. Yeah, it's a series.
Speaker 3: Finale of Outer Banks is today on Netflix. But there
Speaker 3: is a pretty cool series in the works at Netflix.
Speaker 6: Well.
Speaker 2: The actress, female actor Breonna Brown was in the last
Speaker 2: season's She's an Apple Valley.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, so there was a writer or something that.
Speaker 2: I think there is. I was I've been waiting for
Speaker 2: this thing to get released again, and I woul been
Speaker 2: asking my kids, and I didn't think that it had
Speaker 2: gotten released yet. So I'm already it's already at the
Speaker 2: season finale of this series called Inner Banks. It's called
Speaker 2: Audi Banks. Oh yeah, I need to catch up on it. Yeah.
Speaker 2: It got kind of weird and it just like, I
Speaker 2: don't know, it got a little a little cheesy at
Speaker 2: the end. But I'll watch. I'll finish it out.
Speaker 3: Uh Initial semi Final tomorrow. Zach Halverson, Greg Sweatberg, Tatum Everett,
Speaker 3: and Brandon Maleski Wow to S four square off tomorrow
Speaker 3: the Winter advances to the finals.
Speaker 9: Sweet Tatum the most handsome one in that group.
Speaker 2: Sweatbird Zecho.
Speaker 3: Zach has won four consecutive games of Initials. Thatch goes good.
Speaker 3: That's the favorite. I'm thinking my boy a ten of Beezy.
Speaker 3: I believe he's gonna play loose. He says he has
Speaker 3: no pressure because he doesn't expect to do well.
Speaker 2: Can help.
Speaker 3: And then the following Friday is when you guys are
Speaker 3: in Vegas.
Speaker 2: That will be Kelsey Cook, Rick.
Speaker 3: Fields, Audra Martin and Brett Right, Blake Moore, that's right,
Speaker 3: and then two weeks from tomorrow it's somebody had to
Speaker 3: say it, and then it's Sauce Hawk Glenn and Belinda Jensen.
Speaker 4: That top bracket to us.
Speaker 2: Loaded.
Speaker 1: Yeah, speaking of loaded, Americans aren't.
Speaker 9: In the latest Gallop survey, fifty four percent of Americans
Speaker 9: say they drink alcohol, that matches the record low set
Speaker 9: last year. Thirteen percent say they sometimes drink too much booze,
Speaker 9: and that's also a record low. Seventeen percent say they've
Speaker 9: made the switch to non alcoholic beverages. More than half
Speaker 9: of Americans believe that even moderate drinking can be bad
Speaker 9: for your health. People getting on the wagon across all
Speaker 9: demographic groups, including age, gender, even party affiliation.
Speaker 2: I'm Rory O'Neil. Thanks for ro real thanks. Rory's got
Speaker 2: to add something to his empty bedroom because that's real
Speaker 2: hollow salent.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's so yeah, right, How do we feel about
Speaker 1: those numbers?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not surprised, pretty accurate.
Speaker 1: I think that the golp ones have because I have
Speaker 1: no desire to drink anymore.
Speaker 2: The craziest ones. Have you noticed that saucy.
Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, yep.
Speaker 5: Well, just young people aren't going out as much like
Speaker 5: we were just talking about, the young people aren't. If
Speaker 5: you're not going out, you're not going to usually be
Speaker 5: drinking at the crib by yourself.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Plus their plus weed. Yeah, there's weed all dang though. Man,
Speaker 2: I had dirty Martini last night. That was just so good. Yeah,
Speaker 2: those were good. Give me some pickle juice, man, pickle juice.
Speaker 4: Of juice.
Speaker 2: That's what I mean. Give me pickle juice.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think you can do a pickled martine.
Speaker 1: Maybe that's what I'm thinking that. Maybe I've had that before.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 4: So good.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 13: Uh.
Speaker 1: FX is bringing back Sons of Anarchy for a reunion show.
Speaker 2: Really yeah yeah uh.
Speaker 1: The network has ordered Legends, a limited series that brings
Speaker 1: back much of the Outlaw Biker's original crew, uh, including
Speaker 1: Charlie Huntum, which is tough because if you remember the
Speaker 1: last episode, which I do, I don't know how they
Speaker 1: bring him back unless they film him attached to the
Speaker 1: front bumper that semi.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he looked better there than he did when he
Speaker 4: was ed Gien. Well, well, I mean that's not fair.
Speaker 1: That's a matter of opinion brother right that he looked
Speaker 1: very handsome in both.
Speaker 2: Hey hawkness, Yes, do you know who Sean Ryan is?
Speaker 2: The Sean Ryan Podcast? I love it. I watch it
Speaker 2: almost all the time. Did you so? Okay, so, did
Speaker 2: you see the former FBI guy that was undercover that
Speaker 2: went into the the biking world? I did, Yes, that
Speaker 2: was a fascinating.
Speaker 1: His interviews are almost too long, but they write questions.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, he's an interesting podcast host. I mean, he's
Speaker 2: able to pull a lot of really really cool people
Speaker 2: and famous people. But I think he's gonna yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't know. Sometimes I'm like, you're not really asking
Speaker 2: a question. Yeah, just kind of like, I don't know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he lets some tell their story. Did you watch
Speaker 1: the ones? The guy who was the member of the
Speaker 1: Mongols for the longest time? I love the biker gang things. Man,
Speaker 1: that's pretty fascinating.
Speaker 2: I feel like, I I don't know if I just
Speaker 2: listened to a part of it. I don't think I
Speaker 2: listened to the whole. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Sometimes that's the best is let's let me give you
Speaker 1: the highlights. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I like that guy.
Speaker 4: Can I ask you guys a question?
Speaker 2: Sure? No, yes, you can that.
Speaker 9: I'm sure, you guys can come up with but like,
Speaker 9: if you have let's say, a biker gang and you
Speaker 9: are doing very illegal activity, yeah, and some random guy
Speaker 9: shows up and is like, you know what, I'm about
Speaker 9: to be fifty five. I think I want to join
Speaker 9: a biker gang.
Speaker 14: None of them are like why they just let in
Speaker 14: anybody Like whenever you hear stories about people and especially
Speaker 14: biker gangs getting infiltrated, you're like, did none of them
Speaker 14: put up like a red flag?
Speaker 4: None of them were like, why is this guy.
Speaker 14: Here all the time? Why did he sudden? Don't you
Speaker 14: have to be like initiated into the gang. Don't you
Speaker 14: have to be like you can't just show up and
Speaker 14: then randomly join. It's not the boy scouts, it's not
Speaker 14: the h away of your neighborhood.
Speaker 4: They just let you show up.
Speaker 9: And be like, hey, guys, I know you guys are
Speaker 9: probably smuggling meth and probably running a prostitution ring. But
Speaker 9: I talked to my wife and you know what, I'm
Speaker 9: going to join a biker gang.
Speaker 14: It doesn't just happen. How do they let these things
Speaker 14: get infiltrated? They're doing a legal things.
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