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Speaker 1: It's night Side with Dan Ray.

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Speaker 2: I'm going you easy Boston's news Radio.

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Speaker 3: Good evening everyone, and welcoming into a Friday night edition

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Speaker 3: of Nightside. And I think if we've ever needed a

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Speaker 3: Friday night edition of Nightside, this is the week. It

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Speaker 3: is cold, nasty cold out there all over New England

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Speaker 3: looking at some snow couple of times coming in this weekend.

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Speaker 3: This is the middle of January, and in fact, January

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Speaker 3: sixteenth is the exact middle of a month that has

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Speaker 3: thirty one generally brutally cold days. Those of us who

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Speaker 3: are in New England as we like it for different reasons.

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Speaker 3: We like it because we like to challenge ourselves, and

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Speaker 3: of course many of us like to challenge ourselves, not me,

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Speaker 3: but some on ski slopes. And there's a lot to

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Speaker 3: like about New England. But right now it could be

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Speaker 3: about thirty degrees warm in my book. Anyway, good evening everyone.

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Speaker 3: We'll keep you nice, toasty warm. If you're in the car,

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Speaker 3: police drive carefully. I looked at some of the nightly

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Speaker 3: newscast tonight and they were these tremendous pile ups in Pennsylvania. Trucks,

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Speaker 3: mangled trucks, cars. We had a big accident here in

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Speaker 3: where a truck it looked like a sander, actually went

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Speaker 3: over off a road Cambridge Street. Lots going on, Lot's

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Speaker 3: going on. So tonight we have four great guests in

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Speaker 3: the first hour. We'll start with them. In just a moment.

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Speaker 3: I will tell you that at nine o'clock, CNN releases

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Speaker 3: a poll today which suggest that Donald Trump's first year

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Speaker 3: in office has been a total and abysmal failure. We'll

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Speaker 3: get your reaction to all of that. The poll numbers

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Speaker 3: are interesting. Oftentimes the in which you ask questions can

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Speaker 3: of a poll with you, folks. Then at ten o'clock tonight,

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Speaker 3: since we are at the halfway point of January, your

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Speaker 3: New Year's resolutions, have they been broken yet? Are they

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Speaker 3: still working? That's great? And then at eleven tonight we'll

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Speaker 3: have some fun. We'll devote the last broadcast hour of

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Speaker 3: the week to making here to allowing you to make

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Speaker 3: your predictions about the Patriots football game this weekend. As

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Speaker 3: I think everyone knows by now, they are playing the

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Speaker 3: Houston Texans and this is a big game, because two

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Speaker 3: more wins will get them to the super Bowl. It's

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Speaker 3: almost close enough, but we can taste it. So we

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Speaker 3: give you an opportunity to predict a score, a winner

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Speaker 3: and a score. You have to get them both well, yes,

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Speaker 3: or really have to get the winner right. And we'll

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Speaker 3: get to all of that. You know the rules and

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Speaker 3: we will. We'll have a Nightside prize for whoever comes

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Speaker 3: up with the closest score. First, we're going to go

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Speaker 3: to our eight o'clock hour, and my first guest is

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Speaker 3: a friend of many years, a former colleague of mine

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Speaker 3: at WBZTV, Casey Sherman. And Casey, welcome back to night Side.

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Speaker 3: You are going to be appearing in the Chatham Orpheum theater.

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Speaker 3: Guess it's Thursday night, January twenty ninth, talking about a

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Speaker 3: subject did you quite familiar with? And that, of course

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Speaker 3: is the story of the Boston Strangler. Tell us what

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Speaker 3: you're going to present? I guess it's a two hour documentary.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's right. First of all, thank you for having

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Speaker 4: me tonight, Dan. This is always great to be on

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Speaker 4: with you and the great audience at night Side. So

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Speaker 4: I'm going to be showing a two hour documentary called

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Speaker 4: The Boston Strangler Unheard Confession at the Chatamorphm Theater which

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Speaker 4: is on the Lower Cape. It's a beautiful nonprofit theater

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Speaker 4: on Cape Cod on January twenty ninth, a Thursday night.

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Speaker 4: All the proceeds are going to go to a good

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Speaker 4: cause which is called the Lewis D. Brown Peace Institute,

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Speaker 4: which supports families of homicide victims. Dan and My aunt,

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Speaker 4: nineteen year old Mary Sullivan, was long considered the youngest

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Speaker 4: and final victim of the Boston Strangler case. And I

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Speaker 4: wish that my family had a foundation like this to

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Speaker 4: rely on back in the nineteen sixties when they were

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Speaker 4: looking for answers that couldn't be found.

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Speaker 3: So let's talk about the documentary. I know that we've

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Speaker 3: talked many times and you do not believe that. And

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Speaker 3: if I'm wrong here, if you've changed your mind, let

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Speaker 3: me know. But you have always felt, as far as

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Speaker 3: I have understood, that Albert DeSalvo was not, in fact

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Speaker 4: Sure, happy to you know, it's my belief in the

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Speaker 4: investigative work that I've done over twenty five to thirty

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Speaker 4: years now shows that Albert DeSalvo, the self confessed Boston Strangler,

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Speaker 4: was not who he claimed to be. In fact, there

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Speaker 4: were multiple murderers committing these murders, not only in Boston,

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Speaker 4: across the United States. From nineteen sixty two to nineteen

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Speaker 4: serial killer committing all these murders. These were several murderers

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Speaker 3: know that you're very thorough, have you been able to

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Speaker 3: make an approximation as to how many you've identified forty

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Speaker 3: nine victims? How many stranglers plural were involved in these

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a great question, you know, I mean, I

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Speaker 4: like the Salem witch trials, wherein the Boston Stranglers kind

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Speaker 4: of created a hysteria across the United States. Anybody reading

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Speaker 4: about a Boston strangler murder, whether it was on Gainsboro

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Speaker 4: They had a blueprint for how to commit these crimes.

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Speaker 4: And the shocking thing did is that there were a

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Speaker 4: series of stranglings in states across the United States, including Cincinnati, Ohio,

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Speaker 4: the original investigative work that was done, and also the

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Speaker 4: news reports from nineteen sixty two to nineteen sixty nine

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Speaker 4: that showcase all of this, and the strangler documentary that

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Speaker 4: we're going to show on the twenty ninth showcases the

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Speaker 4: confession of Albert DeSalvo. The only thing that connected Albert

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Speaker 4: confession to the crimes. He confessed to I think eleven

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Speaker 4: to thirteen murders in Boston. Now, these confession tapes, Dan,

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Speaker 4: went missing for forty years, and they were considered the

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Speaker 4: holy grail of the Strangler case until I uncovered them.

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Speaker 4: I found them. They were in the possession of a

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Speaker 4: retired detective on Cape cod And for the first time ever,

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Speaker 4: audiences around the world are hearing Albert de Salvo's confession

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Speaker 4: and the confession just does not add up.

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Speaker 3: Why did the detective take those tapes with him? Was

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Speaker 4: He was working on the periphery of the case, Dan,

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Speaker 4: And the problem of the Boston Strangler case was that

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Speaker 4: the nineteen sixties took momentos treasures of their work in

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Speaker 4: the case. A lot of the evidence went missing because people,

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Speaker 4: you know, detectives, took them home. They all wanted to

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Speaker 4: have something connected to the biggest murder case in New

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Speaker 3: In Disselble was killed in prison.

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Speaker 4: Right DiSalvo was stabbed to death in nineteen seventy three,

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Speaker 4: two weeks before he was both supposed to recant his

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Speaker 3: Okay, so.

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Speaker 4: That's pretty interesting.

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Speaker 3: So that's another aspect of it. But the thing that

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Speaker 3: people probably figured detectives probably think well, that's it. Since

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Speaker 3: take a souvenir here. To take a souvenir there. When

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Speaker 3: you got to the guy with the tapes was how

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Speaker 4: It's like you, you know, I mean you and I

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Speaker 4: you know, kicking down this guy's door and demanding the tapes,

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Speaker 4: all sixty hours, and I was comparing all of the notes,

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Speaker 4: and I realized right away that Jaez Albert Desalva was

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Speaker 4: confessing to events that never happened. All of the crime

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Speaker 4: also led in his confession by his interrogator, John Bottomley,

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Speaker 4: at the time and Dan John Bottomley was the eminent

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Speaker 4: never interrogated a suspect before. Here he is in front of, allegedly,

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Speaker 4: you know, the biggest serial killer in Massachusetts and the

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Speaker 4: idea how to conduct an interrogation.

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Speaker 3: Well, I'm sure that the showing of the documentary will

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Speaker 3: be quite well attended the Chatham or Orpheum Theater in Chatham,

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Speaker 3: that's a Thursday night, case I believe, and I assume

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Speaker 3: where can folks go to get tickets to make sure

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Speaker 4: No, they can go right to Chatham Orphium dot org

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Speaker 4: and you can select your get your tickets right there.

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Speaker 4: And as I mentioned again, all the proceeds are going

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Speaker 4: to charity. We're going to do a VIP screening followed

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Speaker 3: oh that's great, Casey. I'm happy to have gone a

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Speaker 3: little long with you, but I can't sure change my

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Speaker 3: something of in greater form here some night and take

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Speaker 3: way as well. Casey, thanks very much, have a great

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Speaker 3: weekend and stay warm. Okay, thanks so much. All right,

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Speaker 3: a phenomenon of baby boomers. I'm a baby boomer staying

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Speaker 3: in the job market as gen Z struggles to break through.

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Speaker 3: David Kathy will be with us. I hope I'm pronouncing

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Speaker 3: that correctly. He's a hiring expert. Back on night Side

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Speaker 3: right after this quick break on a very frigid Friday night.

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Speaker 3: How's that for alliteration? Back on Nightside, It's Nightside, Boston's

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Speaker 3: news radio. Want to welcome to the Nightside microphone, David Kathy.

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Speaker 3: He's a hiring expert partner with Unity Search Group, one

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Speaker 3: Welcome to Nightside.

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Speaker 2: How are you this evening doing fantastic? Dan, Thank you

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Speaker 2: very much.

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Speaker 3: Hope it's a little warm or wherever you're located, but

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Speaker 3: it's chilly here in New England. Gen Z struggling to

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Speaker 2: No, I You're spot on, Dan. I mean, like I said,

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Speaker 2: I don't know Dan if that's coding, because I also

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Speaker 3: You could be five to ten. If you can kick

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Speaker 3: David Cathy, thank you very much. How can folks get

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, we are at unitysearch dot com. That's www. Dot

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Speaker 3: That's a vestige of old school, just unitysearch dot com. Davidkathy,

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Speaker 3: There's an unsold murder case that has haunted New England

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Speaker 5: Of all, and welcome, Oh thank you, And I just

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Speaker 5: Go ahead, hither, sure, okay, thank you. Mollie was sixteen

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Speaker 5: but she didn't she didn't have her license yet, so

432
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Speaker 5: my mom, you know, dropped her off and then it

433
00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:53,359
Speaker 5: was about ten o'clock and about three hours later we

434
00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:55,560
Speaker 5: got a phone call saying, you know, Mollie's not at

435
00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:58,400
Speaker 5: the pond. Or called my mom, and my mom called

436
00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:00,480
Speaker 5: me kind of in a panic, and I you know,

437
00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:02,320
Speaker 5: I was getting ready to go spend a day with

438
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Speaker 5: my friend at her pool, and so I thought, oh,

439
00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:07,399
Speaker 5: this this doesn't sound right. There must be some mistake.

440
00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:09,760
Speaker 5: Like never in my mind did I ever think, oh,

441
00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:11,200
Speaker 5: my sister was abducted.

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00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:14,960
Speaker 3: But you knew also that she took that job. Seriously,

443
00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:15,480
Speaker 3: this was.

444
00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:18,520
Speaker 5: Not characters, Oh very seriously. Yeah, she was. She was

445
00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:23,280
Speaker 5: nervous about swimming lessons, so she you know, she was

446
00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:27,320
Speaker 5: Molly was not a truant kid. She played three sports.

447
00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:29,600
Speaker 5: She you know, like I said, had trained to be

448
00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:33,280
Speaker 5: a lifeguard that whole winter while playing on the basketball team.

449
00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:35,720
Speaker 5: So there was a lot of dedication to her to

450
00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:40,800
Speaker 5: to that you know, that new position. So no, not

451
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Speaker 5: in any way she or formed. Did we ever think

452
00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:45,359
Speaker 5: she you know, she was going to take off either,

453
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Speaker 5: And you know when the police called us three hours later,

454
00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:52,399
Speaker 5: that's kind of how they acted, like, oh, she's a teenager,

455
00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:56,880
Speaker 5: probably just took off with her friends. And my mom,

456
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Speaker 5: you know, knowing Mollie knew that that wasn't something that

457
00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:04,199
Speaker 5: could happen. And so you know, I went to my

458
00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:06,399
Speaker 5: mom's like meet me at the pond. And you know,

459
00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:09,800
Speaker 5: our town is so small. By the time I got like,

460
00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:11,760
Speaker 5: actually right in front of the police station, I could

461
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Speaker 5: see my mom coming up from the road at the pond,

462
00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:19,320
Speaker 5: and and so I knew, Okay, something's really wrong. I

463
00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:22,399
Speaker 5: could tell she was kind of driving frantically. And so

464
00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:24,879
Speaker 5: when we went into the police station, they said, my

465
00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:28,400
Speaker 5: mom said, something's very wrong. Her shoes are there. And

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Speaker 5: you know, at that time, the police and and you know,

467
00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:34,120
Speaker 5: honestly still to this day, municipal police officers aren't changed

468
00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:38,119
Speaker 5: in missing persons cases. So they were kind of like nonchalant, like, oh,

469
00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:40,080
Speaker 5: big deal, her shoes are there, and we're like, yeah,

470
00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:42,520
Speaker 5: big deal, because she wouldn't go anywhere without her shoes.

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00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:45,360
Speaker 5: If you're saying she took off with her friends, why

472
00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:47,359
Speaker 5: wouldn't she put her shoes on. It doesn't even make

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Speaker 5: any sense.

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Speaker 3: So he let me, let me jump in here for

475
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Speaker 3: a second, because I get so. There was a big search,

476
00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:59,360
Speaker 3: there was evidence her body was never found. Per se.

477
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Speaker 3: If I call and if I'm wrong.

478
00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:04,080
Speaker 5: He play, well, her body was. Her bones were found.

479
00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:08,639
Speaker 5: So Mollie was was found three years later by a

480
00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:12,240
Speaker 5: hunter and he and he just happened to be sitting

481
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:15,159
Speaker 5: in a bar with a former police officer who was

482
00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:18,760
Speaker 5: actually very involved writing a book about the Holly Purinian case.

483
00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:21,480
Speaker 5: So he knew about Mollie. He was concerned that there

484
00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:25,639
Speaker 5: was a connection, and and so he knew Mollie had

485
00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:29,639
Speaker 5: a blue bathing suit. She Molly didn't have. She hadn't

486
00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:33,200
Speaker 5: even gotten a lifeguard bathing suit yet. And actually at

487
00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:35,720
Speaker 5: that point they didn't have like a lifeguard chair. She

488
00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:39,399
Speaker 5: was sitting in like a small beach chair. So you know,

489
00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:43,280
Speaker 5: all that kind of factors into, you know, her vulnerability

490
00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:45,440
Speaker 5: in the victimology of this case.

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00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:50,320
Speaker 3: So so you convinced, And again I just want for

492
00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:54,639
Speaker 3: the audience who has never heard the story, that you know,

493
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:59,879
Speaker 3: remains of Mollie were found. My understanding is that there

494
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:05,400
Speaker 3: was a person of interest who police have identified, who

495
00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:10,600
Speaker 3: died in prison in twenty sixteen. His name, Francis Sumner

496
00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:16,840
Speaker 3: was Does the family buy that that he was the guy?

497
00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:20,320
Speaker 3: Or are you convinced that it's possible that the person

498
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:24,960
Speaker 3: who kidnapped and murdered your sister is still out there?

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Speaker 5: Well, you know, unfortunately they named Frank Sumner in twenty

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Speaker 5: twenty one. By twenty twenty one, I, you know, my

501
00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:39,320
Speaker 5: family and I had done so much investigations ourselves over

502
00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:42,160
Speaker 5: the years that you know, we've had several persons of

503
00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:49,240
Speaker 5: interest and we had pretty strong, circumstantial evidence for each one, honestly,

504
00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:52,280
Speaker 5: and so it was sort of this like small pile

505
00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:55,920
Speaker 5: of which one of these bad guys is our bad guy, yeah,

506
00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:59,440
Speaker 5: which is kind of crazy. But so when we heard

507
00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:03,240
Speaker 5: about Frank Sumner, yes he fits the profile. Apparently he

508
00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:08,160
Speaker 5: had access to a white car, and he was kind

509
00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:10,160
Speaker 5: of a pretty bad guy. He is, he was convicted

510
00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:13,440
Speaker 5: of raping someone. But we didn't have anything more than that.

511
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:16,120
Speaker 5: We didn't have a tie to Warren, a tie to

512
00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:19,680
Speaker 5: Cummings Pond, a tie to Mollie in particular. So it

513
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:23,160
Speaker 5: kind of is like tell us more, you know. And

514
00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:25,640
Speaker 5: and the police never did. They said they were doing

515
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:29,120
Speaker 5: a DNA test. Not sure why they would announce, you know,

516
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:33,640
Speaker 5: this person of interest without having done that beforehand, but

517
00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:35,040
Speaker 5: you know, I'm not sure.

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00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:41,080
Speaker 3: DNA test could have been dispositive. I wonder what DNA

519
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:48,320
Speaker 3: would have survived three years, you know, three winters too.

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00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:52,960
Speaker 5: As well, right, And I think that's kind of what

521
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:58,680
Speaker 5: we're dealing with, is hopefully technology increases in that someday

522
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:03,960
Speaker 5: we're able to use that old and sort of you know,

523
00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:08,320
Speaker 5: decrepit DNA and get more answers from it. I mean

524
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:10,680
Speaker 5: technology and science is amazing.

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00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:12,440
Speaker 3: Yeah. Let me well, there have been a lot of

526
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:15,120
Speaker 3: cases solved that they thought would never be solved. So

527
00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:18,120
Speaker 3: let me wrap our conversation. You and I should do

528
00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:21,360
Speaker 3: a whole hour on this case some night because I

529
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:24,560
Speaker 3: have more questions. But when I don't have now is

530
00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:29,160
Speaker 3: time because I have another schedule. But if folks want

531
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:31,720
Speaker 3: to get in touch and be careful now, I don't

532
00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:33,520
Speaker 3: want you to give it a phone number or anything

533
00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:37,280
Speaker 3: like that. Is there a way in which you can

534
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:41,840
Speaker 3: safely allow people to contact as their website? What? How

535
00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:42,200
Speaker 3: can they?

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00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:46,160
Speaker 5: Absolutely? Right away? My parents start a foundation, So we

537
00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:49,320
Speaker 5: have a website, the Mollibisch Foundation dot com. Okay, I

538
00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:53,680
Speaker 5: am on social media Facebook It's the Mollibisch Foundation, and

539
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:58,239
Speaker 5: on TikTok it's Justice for Mollie, Justice for Mollibish and

540
00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:00,440
Speaker 5: you can find me on there. And I've got a

541
00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:02,040
Speaker 5: whole you know, if you can go through all the

542
00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:05,280
Speaker 5: videos and learn more about Molly's case, and I'm happy

543
00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:08,120
Speaker 5: to have everyone do that. I'm working on a podcast

544
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:11,520
Speaker 5: right now myself, so I'm hoping, you know, very soon

545
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:18,440
Speaker 5: to have our story about what we've experienced in this investigation. Well,

546
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:21,440
Speaker 5: from my family's perspective, you sound.

547
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:24,840
Speaker 3: Like a wonderful person. I never obviously have spoken, to

548
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:27,120
Speaker 3: the best of my knowledge to you before, but you

549
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:29,840
Speaker 3: tell a compelling story, and I hope that there might

550
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:32,200
Speaker 3: be some people out there who could support you or

551
00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:34,200
Speaker 3: even maybe get in touch with you and say, hey,

552
00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:38,920
Speaker 3: I remember seeing something and we might let's keep in touch.

553
00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:44,400
Speaker 3: I'd love to make doing a longer version, a whole

554
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:49,160
Speaker 3: hour with you on this case. You know, we are

555
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:52,880
Speaker 3: heard at night on WBZ over half the country and

556
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:55,280
Speaker 3: then of course on the internet as well, and you

557
00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:57,760
Speaker 3: never know, there might be someone out there who actually

558
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:02,120
Speaker 3: knows something some night, and if we're lucky, maybe we

559
00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:05,160
Speaker 3: could we could help you solve this. I I kind of.

560
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:08,080
Speaker 5: Masage I would I would love that. W WBV is

561
00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:10,360
Speaker 5: close to my heart. They've done with us in this

562
00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:15,480
Speaker 5: whole journey for your former investigative reporter Kathy Kurran was

563
00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:21,320
Speaker 5: instrumental in helping us navigate some of this investigations. The

564
00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:23,320
Speaker 5: media friend of mine.

565
00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:25,480
Speaker 3: And as I say, I'm going to have my producer

566
00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:28,120
Speaker 3: get back in touch with you, and we'll do something

567
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:31,120
Speaker 3: in longer form. I promise, I give you my word.

568
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:33,840
Speaker 5: I'm wonderful, Thank you, thank you so much.

569
00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:36,960
Speaker 3: Pray for Mollie. Hopefully she's in a far better place

570
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:39,400
Speaker 3: than all of us. And uh and we'll all get

571
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:41,640
Speaker 3: a chance to meet her again someday. And I mean

572
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:42,280
Speaker 3: that honestly.

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00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:45,800
Speaker 5: Thank you so much, Thank you, Take care, good night,

574
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:46,400
Speaker 5: good night.

575
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:49,640
Speaker 3: We get back on to talk about fake rental scams

576
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:52,440
Speaker 3: that are costing people thousands of dollars. This is when

577
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:56,440
Speaker 3: you need to listen to Andre Sanchez, CEO of Rentley,

578
00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:59,560
Speaker 3: a company provide self touring and smart home technology for

579
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Speaker 3: property managers and renters. Back on Nightside right after.

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Speaker 1: This, you're on Night Side with Dan Ray. I'm WBZ

581
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Speaker 1: Boston's News Radio.

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Speaker 3: All right, welcome back, everybody. We have to be on

583
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Speaker 3: the alert and on the lookout for scams just in

584
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:23,080
Speaker 3: so many ways. And one of the ways that we

585
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:25,760
Speaker 3: have to look out for scams is if we are

586
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:29,320
Speaker 3: renting with us is Andre Sanchez. He's the COO, chief

587
00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:32,360
Speaker 3: operating officer of Rentley, a company that provides self touring

588
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:37,800
Speaker 3: and smart home technology for property managers and renters. Welcome

589
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:42,720
Speaker 3: mister Sanchez to Nightside tell us about what people need

590
00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:45,640
Speaker 3: need to look out for. I mean, it just seems

591
00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:49,560
Speaker 3: like every other person in America is a scamster. There

592
00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:50,920
Speaker 3: are so many scams going on.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: No, first and foremost, thank you guys so much for

595
00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:59,520
Speaker 1: having me on the show. I actually spent some time

596
00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:02,600
Speaker 1: back in my Austin, so I'm glad to be able

597
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:05,320
Speaker 1: to be there in spirit through the radio.

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Speaker 3: What you do in Boston if I could ask, Oh,

599
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:09,000
Speaker 3: I was.

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Speaker 1: Out there for grad school, attended you Mass Boston for

601
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:14,640
Speaker 1: a few years, so go beacons if you're listening out

602
00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:16,640
Speaker 1: there and lived out there in Austin.

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Speaker 3: So I have an honorary I did my undergraduate work

604
00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:23,080
Speaker 3: at Boston State College. I have an honorary doctorate from

605
00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:24,800
Speaker 3: you Mass Boston as well.

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Speaker 6: Oh wow, so we're kindred alumni.

607
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:31,080
Speaker 3: That's right, So let's let's let's get to it.

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Speaker 6: We can yeah, absolutely right ahead with Yeah, with rental

609
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:38,200
Speaker 6: fraud on the rise, I mean, just to give you

610
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Speaker 6: context for all the listeners out there, you know, we

611
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:44,080
Speaker 6: power a couple of million self guided tours for the

612
00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:48,120
Speaker 6: past fifteen years, so you know, we've definitely seen on

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Speaker 6: our side to rental.

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Speaker 1: Fraud being on the rise, and to answer your question

615
00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:56,160
Speaker 1: pretty directly, things that you need to look out for

616
00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:59,360
Speaker 1: if you're a renter, you know, I would say, trust

617
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:03,799
Speaker 1: your gut and use use your judgment. A lot of

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00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:08,080
Speaker 1: the times when we see rental frauds happen in the

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Speaker 1: marketplace or when they're reported through the FTC, A lot

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00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:16,080
Speaker 1: of the issues just stem from, you know, people being

621
00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:19,640
Speaker 1: pressured to, you know, do things like wire transfer. There's

622
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:23,000
Speaker 1: always a sense of urgency, and people you know, in

623
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:26,320
Speaker 1: those situations tend to overlook their gut instincts just because

624
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:27,759
Speaker 1: you know, they want to rent now, and they want

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00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:31,120
Speaker 1: to rent it fast. And so I would definitely say,

626
00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:34,279
Speaker 1: first and foremost, you know, trust your gut, look out

627
00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:37,160
Speaker 1: for those signs that you know be maybe inherent or

628
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:40,240
Speaker 1: you know that you're just feeling whenever you're renting a property.

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Speaker 3: I see ads on TV and this is not gets

630
00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:49,319
Speaker 3: to rentals, but and maybe this is outside of your

631
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:51,840
Speaker 3: area of expertise, but you see these ads and they say,

632
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:54,839
Speaker 3: you know, someone can drive by your house, take down

633
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:58,160
Speaker 3: some information, create a phony deed, file the deed with

634
00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:01,640
Speaker 3: the Registry of Deeds, and then and then sell your

635
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:06,080
Speaker 3: home out from underneath you, and which I find to

636
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:10,000
Speaker 3: be doubtful, particularly here in Massachusetts where we have a

637
00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:15,360
Speaker 3: you know, pretty strong registry of deeds in every county.

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00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:19,560
Speaker 3: Is that an overstated problem in your mind? And is

639
00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:23,640
Speaker 3: that why you're focusing on rentals or literally is the

640
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:28,760
Speaker 3: scams with literally every type of real estate that someone might.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, well, it's a good question.

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00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:35,040
Speaker 1: I would say, we're really focused on rental fraud and

643
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:38,000
Speaker 1: rental scams right and being diligent there. I think what

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00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:40,840
Speaker 1: you're asking though, is relevant because it sort of broadly

645
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:44,759
Speaker 1: ties back into what you just generally see is, Look,

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Speaker 1: it's it's a ca shaped economy. It's tough out there,

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Speaker 1: and some some fraudsters are taking advantage of advantage of it,

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Speaker 1: and you tend to see a lot more sophisticated scammers

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Speaker 1: that are getting a lot better at, you know, creating

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Speaker 1: fraudulent documentation, which you know, if you don't really know

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Speaker 1: what to look for, if you don't have a system

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Speaker 1: in place that can check for those sort of issues

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Speaker 1: or potential errors, they can exploit them, right, And so

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Speaker 1: there's always the potential for a fraudster to exploit that

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Speaker 1: that technology out there to their advantage. And so that's

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Speaker 1: where you have to really be diligent. And I could

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Speaker 1: see you know, deeds being an example of that fraudulent

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Speaker 1: documentation and and and it's something that you know, for

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Speaker 1: fraudulent documentation is absolutely an issue to your point. So

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Speaker 1: you're you're on the money there, Dan, I would say

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Speaker 1: it impacts more home sales. We really focus on the

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Speaker 1: rental market that we see this kind of same same

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Speaker 1: thing happening in our space too, where you know, in

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Speaker 1: multi family, single family, you'll you'll see people getting very

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Speaker 1: good at creating fraudulent documentation. So it's really important you

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Speaker 1: have that system that not just you know, looks to

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Speaker 1: see if it looks correct, but can actually look behind

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Speaker 1: the data, you know, and do database checks with things

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Speaker 1: like driver's license trivers to make sure it's accurate. And

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Speaker 1: but but you're one hundred percent right, it's it's it's

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Speaker 1: it's it's getting a lot more sophisticated, especially now in

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Speaker 1: this in this time and ache.

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Speaker 3: So if if folks are going into the rental market anywhere,

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Speaker 3: can they rely upon you for help and guidance?

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Speaker 2: Can you do you?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Actually, yeah, you just provide information that that will help people.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, No, absolutely.

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Speaker 2: So.

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Speaker 1: We do two things that rently at our at our company,

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Speaker 1: and I think a lot of industry players, you know,

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Speaker 1: try to do the right thing. Number one is we

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Speaker 1: absolutely educate if you actually go on rently, even if

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Speaker 1: you never use us, you are more than welcome. We

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00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:46,239
Speaker 1: have tons of resources out there to actually help renters

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Speaker 1: sort of detect things that are you know, pretty frequent

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Speaker 1: with fraudsters, right, sense of urgency, wiring money. You know,

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Speaker 1: there's there's always a too good to be true.

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Speaker 3: Come that's what you will tell you, Oh, it's still.

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Speaker 1: Good to be true, to be true, it's probably is.

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Speaker 3: That that's the cardinal rule of life.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, if you see you know, if you see a

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Speaker 7: thousand dollars rental and in Beacon Street and you're like,

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Speaker 7: wait a minute, that that sounds a little too good

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Speaker 7: to be true, it probably is.

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Speaker 3: Or in the West Village of New York, wherever the

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Speaker 3: forever rentals might be. Andre Sanchez Andrew Sanchez, I really

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Speaker 3: enjoyed this conversation. I hope to have you back, keep

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Speaker 3: in touch with us. Uh, there's so much more to

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Speaker 3: talk about, but I'm I'm flat up against the newscast

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Speaker 3: here at the top of the hour, So I have

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Speaker 3: to say thank you so much for joining us, and

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Speaker 3: I hope it's a little warmer wherever the heck you

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Speaker 3: are that it is in Boston tonight. Okay, well, I.

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Speaker 1: Won't tell you, I won't make you jealous, but it

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Speaker 1: is and I still love Boston. Can't wait for you

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Speaker 1: guys to uh to climb out of the snow. You'll

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Speaker 1: be great.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much, guys, I join you, go beacons.

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Speaker 3: Thanks Andre, we'll talk again.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, all right, take care, all.

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Speaker 3: Right, we get back. We're going to talk about a

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Speaker 3: new CNN poll today that was released which would suggest

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Speaker 3: that Donald Trump has had a horrible first year in office.

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Speaker 3: I suspect he would probably disagree with that, and I'm

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Speaker 3: going to give you a chance to weigh in on

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Speaker 3: how you would rate the president. January twentieth, his next Tuesday,

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Speaker 3: if I'm not mistaken, and that will be the one

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Speaker 3: year anniversary of the inauguration of twenty twenty five. We're

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Speaker 3: going to take a little little look behind the curtain

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Speaker 3: and see what's true and what's not. And then later

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Speaker 3: on tonight going to ask you about your New Year's resolutions.

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Speaker 3: Are they still in effect or have they been destroyed

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Speaker 3: already this way halfway through the month of January, back

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Speaker 3: on Nightside, right after this