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Speaker 2: know what that means. We talked to our guy covering

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Speaker 2: the Bengals from eight to Z Sports, John Sheeran joining

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Speaker 3: What's up, John?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah?

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Speaker 3: How much are you looking forward to a bye weekend? John?

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Speaker 6: Oh, it's lovely. It's I have a free Sunday. The

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Speaker 6: sun is out. I have so many plans of maybe

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Speaker 6: doing nothing. It's gonna be great. It's gonna be the

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Speaker 6: best Sunday the last two months.

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Speaker 5: Are you gonna watch any NFL football? So you remember

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Speaker 5: what it's supposed to look like?

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Speaker 6: You know, I haven't decided that yet, but if I do,

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Speaker 6: I'm going to be trans six for sure.

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Speaker 2: How important is it just to have a bye weekend

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Speaker 2: for your mental health at this point.

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Speaker 6: I mean, it can't there's nothing that comes close to

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Speaker 6: at this point. I wish there was two more, which

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Speaker 6: is what I hope that the NFL is pushing for

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Speaker 6: once they push the schedule all the way to March

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Speaker 6: or something like that.

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Speaker 4: But I'm looking forward to it.

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Speaker 2: This team, it's obviously on the defensive side of the

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Speaker 2: ball a comedy of airs. You have four players who

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Speaker 2: make up the top ten in the NFL and missed

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Speaker 2: tackles in that category, including the top two. I don't

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Speaker 2: even know where to start on the defensive side of

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Speaker 2: the ball. If you were tasked over the bye week

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Speaker 2: and trying to find ways to improve this defense, where

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Speaker 2: would you look to start the door?

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Speaker 4: I don't know. It's just like.

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Speaker 6: These guys when they play it, I've never seen it

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Speaker 6: to the point where like they look like they're overmatched,

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Speaker 6: Like they kind of look like they just don't have

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Speaker 6: the juice. And that's surprising because this was built on

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Speaker 6: some one of a principle of athleticism. And it's like

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Speaker 6: guys get to the spot, but once they're there, they

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Speaker 6: in order to reach the gap right, and it's like

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Speaker 6: they do maybe one good thing a play, but they

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Speaker 6: that's why they get bowled over in their run fits,

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Speaker 6: and that's why they're chasing down guys for thirty yard games.

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Speaker 6: It's why they're always late despite being quick, and it's like,

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Speaker 6: I don't know if they just don't know what they're

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Speaker 6: go out onto the field, they're just physically outmatched. That's

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Speaker 6: just what it looked like on Sunday against the Bears

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Speaker 6: offensive lines that I had. I had concerns about going

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Speaker 6: into this game because they rebuilt that entire interior group

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Speaker 6: and they can get out after you at the second

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Speaker 6: it looks so much worse than I could have possibly matched,

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Speaker 6: because this team looks like they're just they just don't

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Speaker 2: That I look at how bad it is and I

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Speaker 2: much all three of those guys when they were drafted

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Speaker 2: by the Bengals. You're now at the bye week, you

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Speaker 2: get the second half of the schedule. But when you

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Speaker 2: in just a moment. How many players currently make up

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Speaker 2: this defense? John, where you would go into next year saying, Man,

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Speaker 4: No one that has to be here necessarily because.

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Speaker 6: No one is playing up above where they were last year.

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Speaker 6: It feels like everyone has gotten a little bit worse

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Speaker 6: But it's like, in order for this defense to get

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Speaker 6: seeing that from Dax Hill, who I think has basically

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Speaker 6: just it's amongst the worst that I've ever seen. It's

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Speaker 6: has gone through some terrible linebacking.

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Speaker 4: Play over the last two decades.

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Speaker 6: So there is no real significant piece of this defense

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Speaker 6: it has been a problem with him for his career

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Speaker 5: Let's talk about Trey Hendrickson. Bengals decided not to move

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Speaker 5: him at the trade deadline. What did you make of

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Speaker 5: that move and how do you expect this to play

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Speaker 5: for the tag and the price. How do you expect

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Speaker 6: It was just part for the chorus, really when you

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Speaker 4: Price, and it's like, guys, this.

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Speaker 6: Is not this is You're comparing apples and oranges with

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Speaker 6: it wasn't too shocking to not see him be moved,

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Speaker 6: beyond disgraceful. And the fact that there's just no clear

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Speaker 4: Just putting the bandit on his contract this year was

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Speaker 6: So it hasn't been surprising to see him still be

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Speaker 6: it does open the door, of course, for them to

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Speaker 6: another franchise tag on him, make him wait it out,

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Speaker 6: and has another injury on his rap sheet, which is

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Speaker 6: fact that they didn't just get this over with is

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Speaker 2: I guess, not only to the points you just mentioned, John,

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Speaker 2: but what about just the off season for Zach Taylor

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Speaker 2: or whoever the head coaches of the Cincinnati Bengals, because

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Speaker 2: it just feels like that would become more of a

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Speaker 3: For this team.

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Speaker 2: I thought going into the offseason you wanted to eliminate

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Speaker 2: as many distractions as possible, and then the Trey Hendrickson

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Speaker 2: putting another burden of a distraction on this team going forward?

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Speaker 2: If you're going to play the same song and dance

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Speaker 6: It doesn't matter to them because the way that they

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Speaker 6: There's no there's no conciseness with what they want to

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Speaker 6: to be the problem with this team. The management side

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Speaker 6: But until something clicks within the front office, that's probably

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Speaker 2: A scenario that I don't know potentially could unfold, that

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Speaker 6: It really has to come down to someone speaking up

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Speaker 6: or it comes from the quarterback and Joe Burrow, whatever,

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Speaker 6: whomever has the most power within that building has to

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Speaker 4: Despite the fact that there.

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Speaker 6: Isn't actually a GM, this is going to be potentially

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Speaker 6: the third year in a row in which they don't

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Speaker 6: Lewis's final three years here as head coach, and obviously

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Speaker 6: significant changes followed that in twenty nine team with the

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Speaker 6: hiring of Zach Taylor and really Duke Tobin being at

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Speaker 6: the face of that hiring as well. Like these these

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Speaker 6: seven years of this operation. So I really do think

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Speaker 6: then you could see something. But again, something has to

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Speaker 6: So immediately after that interview over, we thank Jeff and

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Speaker 7: That's awesome. I love it. Jeff is the best.

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Speaker 2: I love it John. Even though it's a bye week.

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Speaker 3: You're the best, John, Thanks so much.

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Speaker 3: We'll talk next week.

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Speaker 15: they're not tacky. That's Algonquin for the good Land. But

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Speaker 15: things are looking up. This Monday, they are on the

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Speaker 15: road at Cincinnati State Online Study Certificate that's going to

447
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Speaker 15: be played at Vineyard Church, Western Campus Auxiliary Slash Worship Center,

448
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Speaker 15: lemon See Spot.

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Speaker 7: That's a big one for u C. Claremont.

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Speaker 3: I'm a UFOs and yes, thanks Baker, Baker, I'm.

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Speaker 4: Audiomo and we've Stephen A. Smith and ESPN alone.

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Speaker 16: Wet them play the sultail game.

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Speaker 17: Wet them make more money.

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Speaker 7: I've been getting killed for this.

455
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Speaker 3: Crazy. I don't unders crazy.

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Speaker 2: If someone came to you right now and said, hey,

457
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Speaker 2: here's one thousand dollars and we just need you to

458
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Speaker 2: send a video about solitaire, I would do it.

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Speaker 3: In a heartbeat.

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Speaker 5: You also have free will to not play the games

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Speaker 5: that they're promoting.

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Speaker 3: Correct.

463
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Speaker 5: How often do you hear a promotion or an advertisement

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Speaker 5: for something that doesn't interest you. It doesn't mean that

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Speaker 5: you immediately go and purchase that product. You have free will,

466
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Speaker 5: ye to do whatever you want.

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Speaker 3: Does this make people mad?

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Speaker 7: I don't get it.

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Speaker 18: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Catching Those people have free will to go make their

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Speaker 5: damn money, So let them do it.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, catch so rep in the city out here and

473
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Speaker 7: sunny hot on it?

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Speaker 19: What up?

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Speaker 13: Tony?

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Speaker 7: What Upddy?

477
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Speaker 4: Man?

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Speaker 19: If I had to vote for the Reds is easily VP.

479
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Speaker 19: That dude was a human highlight reel. Defense was phenomenal.

480
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Speaker 19: The dude can hit, but the defense was excellent. I

481
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Speaker 19: wish we had a player like that on our team.

482
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Speaker 19: Oh we got somebody like that third basement go glove,

483
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Speaker 19: but he can't hit.

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Speaker 7: We can play good defense, but he can't hit. Man.

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Speaker 19: That's Cincinnati. Get this win, Bearkats, get off the two

486
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Speaker 19: and nose start. Go, got God for bah Bah?

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Speaker 4: Let's go.

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Speaker 3: You see got God for bah Bah?

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Speaker 7: Hey Austin, Hey, you.

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Speaker 3: Got a jet pack? Do you have a jet pack?

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Speaker 8: I'm just wondering how you go down to Georgia without

492
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Speaker 8: actually going on the road.

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Speaker 20: Yeah, one in fancy yet.

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Speaker 2: Pat, Yeah, let them know, let them know if you

495
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Speaker 2: had let him know, if you if you had ears in.

496
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Speaker 5: A brain, you would hear that. I said, true road

497
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Speaker 5: games on campus road games.

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Speaker 21: Tony Audi Bill in Westchester, Hey, I think the Phillies

499
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Speaker 21: are going to keep Calis Forber anyway, So I hope

500
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Speaker 21: they just sign him tonight and we don't have to

501
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Speaker 21: go through a.

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Speaker 4: Full offseason and talking about that, you know something that the.

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Speaker 21: Caselini's finding spending thirty million dollars on a guy, that's

504
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Speaker 21: just silly and and honestly, I'm not sure i'd want

505
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Speaker 21: to see Kyle Forber have to go through a contract

506
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Speaker 21: like that in Cincinnati, given how Joey Vada was treated,

507
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Speaker 21: because that was just sad.

508
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Speaker 7: Yeah, and you're seeing it with Joe Burrow right now.

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Speaker 5: People have already turned their backs on Joe Burrow because

510
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Speaker 5: they think he makes too much money. And you know,

511
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Speaker 5: just because Flacco has been good, that that means Joe

512
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Speaker 5: Burrow is not. Do you view this asinine way of thinking?

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Speaker 2: Do you view the UC opener as a neutral site game,

514
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Speaker 2: the loss to Nebraska, Uh, yeah, okay, that's fine. I

515
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Speaker 2: was just wondering, and again that's their fault. You u

516
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Speaker 2: s needed the money, so they took the money. Sure,

517
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Speaker 2: much like the good folks tweeting out about Solitaire.

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Speaker 22: The Reds Hall of Fame potential inductees. To me, it

519
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Speaker 22: seems like the bars said a little low. I mean,

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Speaker 22: some of them really didn't jump off the page. I'd

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Speaker 22: put Mike Leak in the shoplifting Hall of.

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Speaker 7: Fame with Renona ryder Man.

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Speaker 15: I think.

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Speaker 3: Maybe an exercis how about why NOA getting a shot

525
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Speaker 3: out of like.

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Speaker 5: A series of like somebody goes back to those incidents

527
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Speaker 5: to find out what really happened, because that's all blurry

528
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Speaker 5: to me. The Mike Leak stealing T shirts from Macy's.

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Speaker 5: Macy's is gone now right, I don't know.

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Speaker 13: So you said if Joe Flacco could help Joe Burrow,

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Speaker 13: and I say one thousand percent. The reason Joe Burrow

532
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Speaker 13: keeps getting injured sometimes is he tries to extend plays

533
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Speaker 13: and then he gets creamed. One thing I've noticed with

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Speaker 13: Joe Flacco is when he sees a dangerous situation, he

535
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Speaker 13: just throws it out of bounds and just live to

536
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Speaker 13: fight another day.

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Speaker 2: One of the craziest things in going back and looking

538
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Speaker 2: at the Mike League thing, he was arrested on a

539
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Speaker 2: shoplifting charge where he was accused of stealing six shirts,

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Speaker 2: which the total value was sixty dollars. Yeah, that that

541
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Speaker 2: never made sense to six for ten sixty bucks man

542
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Speaker 2: sixty bucks.

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Speaker 5: I there's another thing. There's a narrative out there that

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Speaker 5: Joe Burrow gets hurt because he extends plays. That's not true. Yeah,

545
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Speaker 5: the knee injury in twenty twenty, he stood in the

546
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Speaker 5: pocket and delivered a ball on time but got blown

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Speaker 5: up by Michael Jordan. The wrist injury happened because he

548
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Speaker 5: landed on it. Weird yep, the turf toe. As we outlined,

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Speaker 5: Jamar Chase didn't win one on one and the pocket

550
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Speaker 5: collapsed on Joe Burrow. Now that one, you could probably

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Speaker 5: say he could have gotten rid of it. But even then,

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Speaker 5: the appendectomy had nothing to do with extending plays. The

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Speaker 5: calf injury, he was at practice and rolling out. They

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Speaker 5: don't get hit in practice, so you start working on

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Speaker 5: broken down plays.

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Speaker 7: Correct.

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Speaker 3: So it's one of the worst narratives of around.

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Speaker 5: I do think Joe Flacco will just ditch a ball

559
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Speaker 5: and get rid of it. And the reason for that

560
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Speaker 5: is because he can't move and he knows he'll get crushed.

561
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Speaker 5: Burrow does have the ability to extend plays and off

562
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Speaker 5: schedule is among the best in the NFL. He doesn't

563
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Speaker 5: get hurt because he extends place. Yeah, that's not true.

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Speaker 7: My apologies. If this is a duplic, Yep, it's duplicate.

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Speaker 7: TP fifteen, Audie v In WG.

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Speaker 23: Hey, I was listening to your Bicell hold earlier about

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Speaker 23: Kyle Schwerber.

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Speaker 7: He's from Middletown. Y'all know that I'm from Middletown. I

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Speaker 7: don't know Kyle, but I I really know.

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Speaker 23: People that know him. Dude, he's already worth over one

571
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Speaker 23: hundred million dollars. If he's I know he's managed it well.

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Speaker 23: It's not about the money, man. I would not be

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Speaker 23: surprised if he takes a hometown discount.

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Speaker 7: If the Reds are willing up the budget.

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Speaker 3: I wish he did. I just don't see him doing

576
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Speaker 3: it now.

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Speaker 5: He's gonna be here in a couple of weeks for

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Speaker 5: an event in Middletown.

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Speaker 7: Don't let him leave.

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Speaker 5: Do you think he would take a meeting with the

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Speaker 5: Reds don't let him leave. They should a meeting. They should,

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Speaker 5: at the at the very least, say Kyle, you're here,

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Speaker 5: we're here, let's talk. Just see where we're at.

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Speaker 4: Sure, good afternoon, guys.

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Speaker 10: He's talking about out how bad the Bengals tackling is.

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Speaker 10: If the Bengals tackling was as bad as it is,

587
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Speaker 10: would they win the National Championship bad tackling a guest

588
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Speaker 10: like another team in the NFL? Or would they be

589
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Speaker 10: competing against themselves.

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Speaker 7: And somehow tie.

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Speaker 4: Also, I think with.

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Speaker 10: P Ryan hurt, Chase Brown's numbers go down.

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Speaker 7: Thanks he broke my brain with that. I don't know

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Speaker 7: if I.

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Speaker 2: Don't even know what that just was. Can they win

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Speaker 2: the Super Bowl of miss tackling?

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Speaker 3: Sure?

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Speaker 2: If I think there was a Super Bowl of miss tackle,

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Speaker 2: I mean Madison, I am now dumber then I was

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Speaker 2: going into the.

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Speaker 17: Hey.

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Speaker 10: Another thing about Joe Flacco, I think if he did

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Speaker 10: stay with the Bengals, maybe Joe Burrow would learn who

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Speaker 10: he thinks about throwing the ball away a little quicker

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Speaker 10: so he doesn't get hurt. That might end up saving

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Speaker 10: the Bengals money in the long run, because just Burrow

607
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Speaker 10: gets hurt if he learned a few things from Blackout,

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Speaker 10: he could stay healthy all year.

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Speaker 24: Chow okay, okay, okay, Tony and Austin Ray from Fleas question,

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Speaker 24: and I'm really not being smart like when I asked this,

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Speaker 24: I really don't know with this tackling problem on the Bengals,

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Speaker 24: and it's more than just a couple guys.

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Speaker 16: I think we had what three or four of the

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Speaker 16: top nine misstackles in the league. Is it really bad

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Speaker 16: coaching or is it possible that they're just afraid to tackle.

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Speaker 2: I don't think they're afraid to take one of the two,

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Speaker 2: doesn't it I just think they are poor in space.

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Speaker 5: I think they take bad angles. I think they have

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Speaker 5: bad fundamentals. I don't think that they're often in the

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Speaker 5: right spot. So you could say coaching has something to

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Speaker 5: do with that. I don't think it's a lack of willingness.

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Speaker 5: I don't think it's a lack of tr think good morning,

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Speaker 5: lack of skill.

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Speaker 17: Hey the Turbo Tony in Austin heard you guys talking

625
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Speaker 17: about Joe Burrow potentially coming back this year and just

626
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Speaker 17: have to wonder does that jeopardize his chances of becoming

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Speaker 17: the first three time come back Player of the Year

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Speaker 17: next year.

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Speaker 3: Oh, we didn't discuss that.

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Speaker 5: I hope that happens. I hope that he wins it

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Speaker 5: again next year because that would mean he balls out. Yep,

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Speaker 5: but I for his sake having to be up there

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Speaker 5: on that stage again, please, oh please.

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Speaker 20: No, guys, Jonathan from the East Gate, you know, I

635
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Speaker 20: had a lot of fun at the game.

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Speaker 3: It was a interesting one, especially being a Bears fan.

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Speaker 3: But I will say that hit on Lovelin for that touchdown.

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Speaker 20: How many people do you know that can take that

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Speaker 20: hit and then keep trucking. That guy is a beast

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Speaker 20: and he's gonna be going a long way in the NFL.

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Speaker 3: Dumb Bears just.

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Speaker 5: He may become a very good player, But that was

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Speaker 5: a very poor tackling six six and Jordan Battle gave

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Speaker 5: him everything he had. Yep, didn't stand a chance. It's

645
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Speaker 5: like just running full speed into a brick wall.

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Speaker 7: Foolish.

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Speaker 20: The top three Lamoine University alternate.

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Speaker 3: Nickname and mascot Okay.

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Speaker 20: Number three, the Lemoine Lemon oh you know like the

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Speaker 20: syrcuse orange right number two, the Lemoine Leap and Lemurs

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Speaker 20: damn and the number one alternate nickname and mascot for

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Speaker 20: Lamoyne University is.

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Speaker 4: It's an overly amorous.

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Speaker 3: Skunk, the Lemoine lip hughes.

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Speaker 7: I'm the leap and lemurs. I like that.

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Speaker 5: Do you have any idea what their actual mascot is? No,

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Speaker 5: the Knights, the Dolphins. Oh oh yeah, we talked about

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Speaker 5: that Dolphins. I don't think there's dolphins in Syracuse, New York.

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Speaker 3: That was my thought.

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Speaker 7: But oh, County snack. This is girth Brooks.

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Speaker 25: That list of Reds players for the Hall of Fame trash.

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Speaker 25: It couldn't be a mediocre employee at Sincy Shirts or

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Speaker 25: Skyline that's why for thirty five years or the Cincinnati Reds.

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Speaker 5: Dang yeah, I mean I I got a lot of

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Speaker 5: respect for all those dudes. Brandon Phillips is the only

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Speaker 5: one who deserves it. B Phil that dude.

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Speaker 12: Hi, guys, great show today, What a beautiful fall day.

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Speaker 12: Hope you got a chance to catch that beautiful moon

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Speaker 12: last night too. Kentucky basketball, whoa, I'm excited, big UK fan?

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Speaker 12: Here so Ken in the Lex.

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Speaker 7: Here we go, Bro, It's gonna be a good season.

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Speaker 3: I have a great day, guys.

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Speaker 7: Okay, can you imagine Lynn and Ken?

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Speaker 11: Wow?

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Speaker 5: Teaming up for like a TikTok dance at No, they

676
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Speaker 5: should do it at Keleenland.

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Speaker 7: Ooh, do it.

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Speaker 9: At Keenland, Tony, Tony, it's having and even your favorite talkbacker.

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Speaker 9: I've been gone for a while and got my I

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Speaker 9: got my head cleared out a little bit. Anyway, explain

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Speaker 9: to me this three three five defense.

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Speaker 17: I hate it.

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Speaker 8: It's not defense.

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Speaker 9: I mean, defense is meant to be big and strong.

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Speaker 9: It's just the defeatist defense.

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Speaker 17: Why couldn't you at least like move five men.

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Speaker 9: Up or four men up from time to time. I

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Speaker 9: don't know, I don't get it.

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Speaker 7: Thanks seven.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, my cousin's uh brother in law knows a guy

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Speaker 8: that works at Molar said that Richard Patino's trying to

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Speaker 8: get a game of Molar and Xavier h but they're

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Speaker 8: gonna play neutral side at the Heritage Bank Center.

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Speaker 4: You guys heard anything about this?

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Speaker 3: Well done?

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Speaker 26: Yeah, Tony just asked John Shearing a great question. I've

697
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Speaker 26: actually been wondering for a few days now. And that's

698
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Speaker 26: where the Beatles would consider re signing a forty one

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Speaker 26: year old Joe Flacco if they we're interested in he

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Speaker 26: Jake Prowning is in a contract year and everybody loves

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Speaker 26: Joe and the job he's done. I think it would

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Speaker 26: be great they.

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Speaker 7: Have him back.

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Speaker 2: The only the only thing that's tough is both being

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Speaker 2: named Joe. It's hard to have a conversation. You gotta

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Speaker 2: start using flac Owen Burrow. I think we call him flack. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: and at the end of the day flak. Can you

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Speaker 2: describe it any more detail? What the Jake Brown contract

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Speaker 2: situation currently looks like?

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Speaker 7: It's just a normal contract.

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Speaker 11: Okay, yeah, Okay, Tony Addie, what up was?

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Speaker 10: These talk bags are pure poetry?

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Speaker 1: Man?

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Speaker 10: Holy yeah?

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Speaker 15: Who is that?

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Speaker 3: Man's?

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Speaker 4: And seven?

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Speaker 2: I think so at night, Joey a long time first times.

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Speaker 27: A couple of questions I'd love to get your feedback on.

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Speaker 27: Can we retire the orange pants? The orange pants Bengals

721
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Speaker 27: play like trash whenever they wear them, and we look

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Speaker 27: more like the Browns, and now we start acting like

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Speaker 27: the Browns once the orange pants came around second week?

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Speaker 27: Can we stop drafting the University of Michigan players. Now

725
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Speaker 27: the Connors Stallions is gone and they don't know the

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Speaker 27: play before they get lined up. True, all the University

727
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Speaker 27: of Michigan defenders pretty terrible outside that Hutchinson guy.

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Speaker 7: Love to know your thoughts.

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Speaker 5: I've been I've been pounding that drum for a while,

730
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Speaker 5: something to that bum bum.

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Speaker 4: I'm with you, guys.

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Speaker 25: The only person on that reds Hall of Fame list

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Speaker 25: that deserves to be in there is Jay Cardill's husband too.

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Speaker 7: That's right, that's right. I see Cargil.

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Speaker 3: I like that.

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Speaker 5: I see his posts all the time too, Like he

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Speaker 5: is a super fan of her, Like he's the best.

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Speaker 7: Hey, guys, markers from the grove. Obviously, Phillips is out

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Speaker 7: of doubt in.

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Speaker 18: But to be honest, though, Coco Cordero is second in

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Speaker 18: team history in career save with one hundred and fifty.

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Speaker 18: He's got a strong case, in my opinion, to be

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Speaker 18: in the Red Hall of Fame as well.

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Speaker 5: That's a sneaky good stat from Marcus right there. I

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Speaker 5: just I guess I didn't realize how many he had.

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Speaker 5: But I remember Marty Brennaman calling him full pack Cordero

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Speaker 5: man towards the end, because watching him pitch made you

748
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Speaker 5: want to smoke a full pack. Oh god, that's our

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Speaker 5: last one, you know, a full pack? Can I make

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Speaker 5: one other?

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Speaker 3: This whole?

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Speaker 2: Kyle Schwarber saying, why is it even a thing when

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Speaker 2: the Reds themselves don't value home runs?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I said earlier this year he could offer to

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Speaker 5: play for free and they'd say no, thank you, because

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Speaker 5: they don't want to hit.

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Speaker 2: All the Reds core values, as we talked about much

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Speaker 2: of this year, as they don't value home runs. So

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Speaker 2: you want to bring in a guy that just hit

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Speaker 2: a one of them? Makes no sense. Some things they

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Speaker 2: just don't make sense. We got a football in the Natti.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what type of football we're going to

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Speaker 2: talk about, but we're going to talk about football when

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Speaker 2: we come back. Also, your phone calls five one, three, seven,

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Speaker 2: four nine, fifteen thirty. We got a small window to

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Speaker 2: get your phone calls in because in our number three

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Speaker 2: we've got Keegan Nickoson, Bob Manjean and I'm assuming Chad

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Speaker 2: Brendel will stop. Buy for quick Hits at Sincy three

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Speaker 2: to sixty The Thursday edition on ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati

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Speaker 2: Sports Station.

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Speaker 3: If you're fifty five or natty.

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Speaker 1: Brought to you by Bud Light on ESPN fifteen thirty,

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Speaker 1: the official home of the Cincinnati Bengals.

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Speaker 2: All right, welcome back, Cincy three to sixty. You heard

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Speaker 2: it right there, football in the NATI thanks to Cincy shirts.

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Speaker 2: Let's take a look here at the NFL as a whole,

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Speaker 2: going into the bye week for the Cincinnati Bengals. Let's

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Speaker 2: start in the NFC here Austin, right now. If the

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Speaker 2: playoffs were to start today, Eagles, Tampa, Seahawks, Packers are

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Speaker 2: your top four. Your wild card teams will be comprised

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Speaker 2: of the Rams, the Niners, and the Lions. That means

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Speaker 2: the Bears, the Panthers, Vikings, Cowboys, Cardinals and others are

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Speaker 2: on the outside looking at. My question to you, is

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Speaker 2: there any current team in the NFC on the outside

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Speaker 2: looking in that will take the place of one of

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Speaker 2: the current seven top seeds. I think Philly, Tampa, Seattle,

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Speaker 2: Green Bay, Los Angeles, and Detroit are locked to me

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Speaker 2: the one team based on just the amount of injuries

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Speaker 2: they have, and I know coaching plays a big role

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Speaker 2: in where they're at. I don't know if the San

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Speaker 2: Francisco forty nine ers can hold on, but I'm also

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Speaker 2: having a hard time deciding if San fran is out,

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Speaker 2: which of the remaining NFC teams take San Francisco spot.

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Speaker 2: Atlanta's three and five, Washington's three and six, that Washington's

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Speaker 2: going in the wrong direction, Arizona three and five. Cowboys

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Speaker 2: did just make a bunch of moves, but they're still

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Speaker 2: three and five. How do you view the NFC from

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Speaker 2: a playoff point of view.

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Speaker 5: I'm intrigued by Carolina, and I'm intrigued by Dallas now

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Speaker 5: that they've made a couple of moves, and obviously the

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Speaker 5: tragedy this morning. Who knows what kind of effect that's

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Speaker 5: gonna end up having on the Cowboys. But I trust

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Speaker 5: Kyle Shanahan and the forty nine ers to figure it

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Speaker 5: out more than I do the Bears, the Panthers, the

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Speaker 5: vikings of the Cowboys, those first four teams out. I

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Speaker 5: trust the Niners to kind of figure it out and

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Speaker 5: stay afloat. Same with Detroit. So I think the seven

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Speaker 5: that are in right now are the seven that are

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Speaker 5: going to be there in January.

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Speaker 2: Okay, same question, But let's do the AFC version. Cult

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Speaker 2: are the one, Patriots are the two, Broncos the three,

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Speaker 2: and the Steelers are the four. Your wild card would

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Speaker 2: consist of Buffalo, Los Angeles and Jacksonville, Kansas City. Outside

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Speaker 2: looking in Houston outside looking in, the Baltimore Ravens, and yes,

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Speaker 2: the Cincinnati Bengals outside looking in. Same question for the

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Speaker 2: AFC Austin. Of those seven teams, who's left standing at

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Speaker 2: the end of the year. I thought I would see

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Speaker 2: more from my Jags by now. I don't love what

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Speaker 2: I've seen from them lately. I wonder if the Chargers

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Speaker 2: can hold on without Joe Alts with so many injuries.

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Speaker 5: It's a much different team without Joe alt Now that

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Speaker 5: he's done for the year. Can they be as effective

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Speaker 5: running the football? Can they protect Justin Herbert. I don't

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Speaker 5: believe in Houston at all, especially with CJ. Stroud going

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Speaker 5: to be out for a while. So I'm going to

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Speaker 5: say Kansas City gets in, and then I think that

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Speaker 5: final spot is going to be really interesting between the Chargers,

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Speaker 5: the Jags, and the Baltimore Ravens. Yeah, Baltimore got a

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Speaker 5: little bit better at the deadline. They've improved their defense slightly.

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Speaker 5: They've got games against Minnesota whose offense stinks, Cleveland, whose

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Speaker 5: offense stink, the Jets, who have no players left, the

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Speaker 5: Bengals twice. I think they can find their way back

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Speaker 5: into the playoff.

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Speaker 2: I think This is an important week for Baltimore because

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Speaker 2: Minnesota is coming off a good win against Detroit. If

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Speaker 2: they get over the hurdle in against Minnesota, I think

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Speaker 2: the Ravens are So you're saying that Kansas City will

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Speaker 2: will take a spot from Jacksonville and your final spot

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Speaker 2: comes down to the Chargers, Jags, and Ravens. Yes, you

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Speaker 2: say you think Pittsburgh has stay in power. Yeah, I

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Speaker 2: think at five and three, I think Pittsburgh's good enough

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Speaker 2: to just yeah, to be right there. I don't know

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Speaker 2: that anyone's gonna challenge them for the division. I think

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Speaker 2: they're good enough as well. Like I think this Sunday

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Speaker 2: Night is phenomenal with them in the Chargers, I think

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Speaker 2: it's gonna be a good match. But outside of that,

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Speaker 2: Pittsburgh has the Bengals again, they have the Bears, the Dolphins,

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Speaker 2: and the Browns. Now they do still play the Bills,

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Speaker 2: the Ravens and the Detroit Lions. I'm not I'm not

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Speaker 2: sold yet that Pittsburgh is in to me. India is

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Speaker 2: in New England, is in Denver, is in Buffalo is

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Speaker 2: in I'm not there yet on Pittsburgh. I'm not there

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Speaker 2: yet on Jacksonville and to your point, I love Harball.

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Speaker 2: I love what Harball has built in the Chargers. I

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Speaker 2: think Herbert is fantastic. I like that they revamped the

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Speaker 2: wide receivers. But Marion Hampton is still out. He's been

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Speaker 2: on the IR for quite some time. They lost Slater,

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Speaker 2: they lost all. I just wonder how much you can

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Speaker 2: withstand losing on one side of the ball and still

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Speaker 2: consistently be there at the end. I think Baltimore eventually

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Speaker 2: gets one of the spots. I think Kansas City gets

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Speaker 2: one of the spots. But I think the Chargers stay in.

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Speaker 2: I think Pittsburgh falls out, and I think the Jaguars

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Speaker 2: fall out. So there you go a little bit of

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Speaker 2: a view of where the NFL is at the bye week.

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Speaker 2: We'll take a break, we'll come back, we'll finish up

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Speaker 2: hour two next and then Keith and Nickoson stands by

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Speaker 2: to join up. So now number three on ESPN fifteen thirty,

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Speaker 2: Cincinnati Sports Station.

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Speaker 1: You've been listening to football in the NATI on ESPN

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Speaker 1: fifteen thirty, the official home of the Cincinnati Bengals, fifteen thirty.

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Speaker 3: Welcome back.

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Speaker 2: It is since he three to sixty ESPN fifteen thirty

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Speaker 2: Cincinnati Sports Station. The second half, Yes, the second half

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Speaker 2: of the NFL season officially gets underway tonight.

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Speaker 7: That's tough.

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Speaker 2: The Raiders already and the Broncos already. Denver is an

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Speaker 2: eight and a half point favorite tonight against the lowly

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Speaker 2: Las Vegas Raiders. Disappointing season from the Raiders. I was

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Speaker 2: on kind of on your line of thinking. I thought

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Speaker 2: that the Raiders were going to take a big step forward.

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00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:08,040
Speaker 2: I thought they were going to be in a good spot.

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Speaker 2: That has not been the case in year one under

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Speaker 2: Pete Carroll. We have time for at least a phone

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Speaker 2: call here before we get to Keegan Nickoson. Robert is

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Speaker 2: calling in.

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Speaker 7: Hello Robert, Hey, guys, how are you?

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Speaker 11: Thank you? I just got a couple yes, sir, I

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Speaker 11: got a couple of quick football Bengals questions. One is

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Speaker 11: is there any chance that in part our tackling problems

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Speaker 11: might have to do with you know, giying for a

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Speaker 11: turnover to uh, you know, to separate them from the

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Speaker 11: ball with the just the hits and not wrapping up.

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Speaker 11: So that'd be my first question, and then my second

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Speaker 11: one is do we still feel like there's any chance

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Speaker 11: at all that we can win a Super Bowl with

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Speaker 11: Zach Taylor as the head coach, and that's all I got.

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Speaker 3: Robert, thank you for the call.

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Speaker 5: And I would say that's fair to criticize going after

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Speaker 5: the ball a little bit too much. I think we've

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Speaker 5: seen that at times, going straight for the punch, going

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Speaker 5: straight for the strip and then a guy carries you

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Speaker 5: four more yards.

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Speaker 3: We've seen that that happens.

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Speaker 2: But normally teams that are trying to do that are

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Speaker 2: teams that need a spark on offense. You would think

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Speaker 2: with this Bengals team, just bring the ball, carry to

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Speaker 2: the ground.

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Speaker 7: I think they just want to go run and celebrate

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Speaker 7: in the end zone.

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Speaker 3: And go yeah, yep. I think that's fair.

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Speaker 2: I would hope that you sit back during the bye

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Speaker 2: week and maybe try to cut down on that because

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Speaker 2: it's clearly not working. Can this team win a Super

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Speaker 2: Bowl with Zach Taylor as a head coach? Yes, I would.

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Speaker 2: I would base my decision with the contingency that that

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Speaker 2: Duke Tobin would no longer be in place, because I

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Speaker 2: don't think it's currently constructed with that with those two

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Speaker 2: working together. I just don't think. I don't view the

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Speaker 2: scheme as.

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Speaker 7: Fitting Duke Tobin and Zach Taylor went to the Super

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Speaker 7: Bowl together.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it was under it was under Joe Burrow's rookie deal. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I don't.

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Speaker 2: I don't don't trust them building a roster via the

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Speaker 2: draft and free agency to compete for a Super Bowl

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Speaker 2: if Duke Tobin is is working alongside Zach Taylor, because

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Speaker 2: I've asked for years that it doesn't feel like the

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Speaker 2: scheme matches the personnel. And look, as much credit as

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Speaker 2: they deserve for getting there, it's easier to get there

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Speaker 2: when your quarterback's on a rookie deal. And I'm not

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Speaker 2: even saying this is directed at Zach Taylor. This to

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Speaker 2: me is more of a Duke Tobin thing. I don't

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Speaker 2: know that they can do that if they've got to

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Speaker 2: build a roster when you're already paying Joe Burrow and

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Speaker 2: Jamar Chase and T Higgins the money you are.

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Speaker 5: That's kind of where I would sit with it. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: I mean I don't necessarily agree with that. I mean,

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Speaker 5: I think they still have look at this roster right now.

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Speaker 5: How can you say that this space left they had

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Speaker 5: kind of last year and they screwed it up with

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Speaker 5: the Trey Henderson thing and waited and waited and waited.

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Speaker 5: They screwed up the Jamar Chase thing and waited and

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Speaker 5: waited and waited and cost some more money. So I'm

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Speaker 5: not saying that your point is wrong, but I'm not

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Speaker 5: going to sit here and say that they haven't shown

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Speaker 5: the ability to in the past adequately build a good

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Speaker 5: enough roster.

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Speaker 2: So I can have they done so since Borrow has

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Speaker 2: been paid? No, But that's not to say that they can't.

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Speaker 2: What would give you a confidence.

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Speaker 5: They have seventy million dollars in cap space next year

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Speaker 5: and the same person would be making the decisions that

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Speaker 5: I agree with that, But that's the same person who

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Speaker 5: also built that roster previously through free agency and through

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Speaker 5: the draft. And so if you can switch back to

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Speaker 5: something similar to that, then can you build that roster

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Speaker 5: in a similar way through free agency and through the draft.

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Speaker 5: Now I get where you're coming from, and I'm not

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Speaker 5: to say that you're wrong. I just see like there's

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Speaker 5: still a possibility for them to do it in a

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Speaker 5: way that they've done it before. Because I think one

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Speaker 5: of the most overblown narratives in the NFL is that

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Speaker 5: you can't make the Super Bowl after you pay a

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Speaker 5: quarterback Philadelphia and Kansas City, San Francisco.

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Speaker 7: Like the Rams Tampa.

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Speaker 2: It's it's happened, and I think, but I think that

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Speaker 2: they are there is a significant difference and who's putting

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Speaker 2: together those rosters compared to what the roster.

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Speaker 7: Wield is here. I agree with that. I have seen them.

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Speaker 5: They signed Trey Hendrickson originally out of free agency, the

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Speaker 5: best acquisition in the history of this franchise.

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Speaker 7: From free agency.

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Speaker 5: They traded Billy Price for bj Hill, the best trade

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Speaker 5: in the history of this franchise. Those things have happened

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Speaker 5: in recent years, so there is something there that you

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Speaker 5: can tap into. Some experience hasn't worked out the last

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Speaker 5: couple of years. They've scaped, goded defensive coordinators, they've scaped

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Speaker 5: goaded safeties. I understand where you're coming from, but I'm

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Speaker 5: not going to just sit here and pretend like it's

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Speaker 5: been a failure from the from the very beginning with

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Speaker 5: these these guys. I don't think that's true.

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Speaker 2: I think that since Burrow has been paid, it has

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Speaker 2: been a failure. And I don't and I don't categorize

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Speaker 2: them in the same sense as the Rams in Tampa

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Speaker 2: and those teams that are competing because those teams historically,

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Speaker 2: year in and year out, built a competitive roster.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I hear you, But I mean again, the Bengals

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Speaker 5: haven't had a losing season since that twenty twenty year

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Speaker 5: right when Burrow first got here. They had a run

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Speaker 5: of playoff appearances twenty eleven through twenty sixteen. They rebuilt

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Speaker 5: it with Marvin twenty years ago when Duke was still

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Speaker 5: relatively new on the job. They have had some experience

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Speaker 5: in starting over and helping and making it work. So

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Speaker 5: I just I don't think it's it's out of the

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Speaker 5: question to think they can do it again now. It's

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Speaker 5: it's also fair to look at it and say, the

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Speaker 5: last three times the Bengals have paid a franchise quarterback,

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Speaker 5: what have they done since they screwed it up with Carson,

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Speaker 5: They didn't do much with Andy, and we're in this

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Speaker 5: current boat with Burrow. And that's totally fair. I understand that,

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Speaker 5: and that's in my mind the biggest rebuttal anyone could

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Speaker 5: could have my point, but I just look at seventy

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Speaker 5: million dollars in today's NFL and with a top three quarterback,

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Speaker 5: I can't say it's impossible. Yeah, Keegan Nickoson is probably

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Speaker 5: waiting already for us.

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Speaker 2: We'll talk to my favorite Nicholson. Okay, we disagree on

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Speaker 2: that as well. We'll talk to Kegan next on ESPN

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Speaker 2: fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station