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Speaker 2: Well, I don't know where to start on this one,

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Speaker 3: There was a videotape that was released yesterday by six

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Speaker 2: They are six individuals who have served in the US

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Speaker 2: There was Christy Hoolihan also from Pennsylvania. Senator Mark Kelly

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Speaker 2: the least known probably member of Congress from she's in

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Speaker 2: that many of you will commend the courage of these

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Speaker 2: individuals for releasing this statement, and others will say this

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Speaker 2: was clearly a political ploy to call into question the

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Speaker 2: judgment of President Trump on what's going on around the world. Now,

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Speaker 2: this has been a very active president on foreign policy,

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Speaker 2: six democrats said. And then today President Trump, who has

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Speaker 2: never been able to prevent himself from making a good

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Speaker 2: And the part that they were focused on was following

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Speaker 2: illegal orders. Now I don't know any illegal orders that

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Speaker 2: have been given by President Trump. He says a lot

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Speaker 2: think US president to send US military personnel, particularly naval personnel,

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Speaker 2: has not taken any preemptive action. He I think had

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Speaker 2: With what has gone on over there in recent days,

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Speaker 2: these sorts of military actions have been used by virtually

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Speaker 2: spectacularly successful as the strike on Iran. But the fact

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Speaker 2: that these six Democrats got together and put together this video,

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Speaker 2: they left themselves open to some legitimate criticism in my mind,

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Speaker 2: maybe not yours. So let's listen to what they said. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 2: because we're only radio and we do not have the

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Speaker 2: identify them for you. I've mentioned their names, so you

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Speaker 2: yesterday by six democratical lawmakers reminding members of the US military.

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Speaker 5: I'm Senator Alissa Sockins, Senator Mark Kelly, Representative Chris Deluzios,

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Speaker 6: Congressman Jason Crowe. That was a captain in the United

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Speaker 6: States Navy, former CIA officer, former Navy, former paratrooper and

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Speaker 6: Army ranger, former intelligence officer, former Air Force. We want

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Speaker 7: And the intelligence community who take risks each day keep

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Speaker 6: We know you are under enormous stress and pressure right now.

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Speaker 2: Americans trust their military, but that trust is at risk.

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Speaker 6: This administration is pitting our uniform, military and intelligence community

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Speaker 2: Right now, the threats to our constitution aren't just coming

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Speaker 6: Our laws are clear. You can refuse illegal orders. You

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Speaker 7: No one has to carry out orders that violate the

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Speaker 6: We know this is hard and that it's a difficult

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Speaker 6: time to be a public servant. Whether you're serving in

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Speaker 6: vigilance is critical. And know that we have your back

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Speaker 6: because now more than ever, the American people need you.

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Speaker 6: We need you to stand up for our laws, our constitution,

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Speaker 7: Don't give up.

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Speaker 2: Don't give up.

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Speaker 6: Don't give up the ship.

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Speaker 2: Okay, okay. So you heard the statements that the military

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Speaker 2: at different times the US military was under a greater

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Speaker 2: to talk about pitting the US military against US citizens. Now,

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Speaker 2: I guess, I guess they're talking there about National Guard

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Speaker 2: are in US cities have been authorized, they have been challenged,

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Speaker 2: and they have been authorized. So I don't know what

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Speaker 2: they're talking about there, and then refuse legal or what

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Speaker 2: orders are we referring to? Are we anticipating orders? I

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Speaker 2: have no idea why they would have done this, in

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Speaker 2: my opinion, just an unforced error by six members of Congress. Okay,

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Speaker 2: today today, President Trump suggested, amongst other things, that these

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Speaker 2: individuals have engaged in seditious behavior. That's an important word,

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Speaker 2: sedition and treason. Those are very important words. Seditious behavior.

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Speaker 2: I'm looking at an article the headline from the USA Today.

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Speaker 2: They're all pretty much the same. Trump accuses six Democratic

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Speaker 2: November twenty second, that's today, President Donald Trump accused a

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Speaker 2: It's called seditious behavior at the highest level. Trump wrote,

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Speaker 2: must be stepped, must be set. That's an overstatement, that's hyperbolic,

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Speaker 2: Trump also reposted a cascade of other angry posts, calling

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Speaker 2: the lawmakers traders and domestic terrorist democrats, and another reading

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Speaker 2: hang them. George Washington would so once again, once again

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Speaker 2: the problems of the country. And this is on a day,

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Speaker 2: would even dignify what was said? He could have certainly

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Speaker 2: illegal order? I would say, a plague on all their

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Speaker 2: to work, mister president, and I do know that he

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Speaker 2: works pretty hard, okay, but get to work. Focus on

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Speaker 2: what's important, not on a minute and twenty three second

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Speaker 2: and I don't think that it has any traction. Now,

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Speaker 2: when you start suggesting that you want to hang them

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Speaker 2: have played into their hands. I'd love to hear from

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Speaker 2: to me to be an into mural squabble by two

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Speaker 2: You'll have politics in twenty twenty six and in twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty eight again, put the politics aside and go to

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Speaker 2: work for the American people. Okay, I'm tired of it.

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Speaker 2: I suspect many others are tired of it. If you'd

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Speaker 2: like to expressure that opinion, if you want to tell

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Speaker 2: me I'm wrong on this one, I'm more than happy

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Speaker 2: to debate it with you or discuss it with you,

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Speaker 2: whichever you prefer. We can have a discussion or a debate.

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Speaker 2: gratuitous behavior. It was unnecessary, unnecessary, and premature. Could Donald

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Speaker 2: Trump do something crazy? Yeah, I guess that's He's done

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Speaker 2: things before. He's made comments that were crazy. But issue

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Speaker 1: You're on nighteth Side with Dan Ray. I'm done you

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Speaker 2: to me. I've explained how I feel. Now it's up

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Speaker 8: Welcome, Hey Dan, how are you good?

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Speaker 2: Sir?

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Speaker 9: So I was when when they released the advertisement what

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Speaker 9: understand where they may be coming from. My concern is

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Speaker 9: that with everything going on around the Eppstein files and

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Speaker 9: all of this, he's like target at Venezuela now, and

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Speaker 9: And I'm just thinking that I won't be some to

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Speaker 9: why the six Democrats are fearing well.

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Speaker 2: Okay, maybe it. Let me can I just ask you

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Speaker 2: I'm sure you remember that in nineteen eighty nine.

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Speaker 2: Well, but it's historically true. No Diego was essentially a

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Speaker 1: You're on night Side with Dan Ray on w Boston's

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Speaker 2: Back to the calls we go. Let me go to

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Speaker 2: Lourie down and Fall River. Hey, Laurie, welcome next to Nightside.

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Speaker 4: How are you?

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Speaker 2: I'm great, Laurie, Thanks for calling in. What's your take

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Speaker 5: When I first heard, I kept waiting and waiting for

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Speaker 5: you to play it, and you were talking and I'm like,

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Speaker 5: play it because I knew. And then you've played it,

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Speaker 5: and I went, I said, I can't believe the way

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Speaker 4: So that right there is suspicious.

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Speaker 5: And I said, wow, they're all bought and paid for.

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Speaker 5: And then of course he talks too much. But I

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Speaker 4: He doesn't defend himself as much.

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Speaker 5: He's not defensive, like trying to.

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Speaker 9: Defend things he does. He's just doing them.

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Speaker 5: And I think it's I like it.

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Speaker 4: I like that he doesn't defend himself so much.

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Speaker 5: Just do what you have to do because most people

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Speaker 5: do not understand things that he has to do. Oh,

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Speaker 5: he's putting a ship down, of course he is. Are

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Speaker 5: you kidding me? We can't just let them do.

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Speaker 11: Today's November twenty second.

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Speaker 4: Please big day, very big day in American history?

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Speaker 2: Correct?

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Speaker 10: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, Saturday? Please?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, make the Yeah, you're gonna make the connections. You know,

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Speaker 5: it's everything's connected and these people live. I just finished Eric.

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Speaker 9: Trump's new book, and it was amazing.

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Speaker 5: I didn't know if I'd like.

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Speaker 10: It or not.

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Speaker 5: I'm not a diehard Trump person, yeah, but I am

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Speaker 5: a I do believe in what's right and what's wrong.

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Speaker 4: And it's like, if you don't know what he's doing,

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Speaker 4: be quiet and educate yourself and find out what he's doing.

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Speaker 9: You know.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think that he has proven correct in terms

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Speaker 2: to sit down with America they want nuclear power for

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Speaker 2: so I think they have been put in their place.

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Speaker 2: I think Israel has been very successful in the Middle East,

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Speaker 2: concerned there's going to be fire, you know, fire, fire

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Speaker 2: flares up. But this guy Medoro down there in Venezuela,

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Speaker 2: he wants them out. The woman who won the Nobel

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Speaker 2: Peace Prize, Machado is the leader of the opposition in Venezuela.

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Speaker 2: Most people don't realize that. So what was a moment

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Speaker 2: in time where the Venzeuelan people might actually stand up

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, Trump is not alone in these decisions either.

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Speaker 5: You know, there are people he's working with that know

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Speaker 5: these things. You know, like he has his intelligence is military.

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Speaker 5: You know, he might make the decisions or be in

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Speaker 7: You know.

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Speaker 2: It's like a lot I think he's I think he's

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Speaker 5: But the reason, the only reason I'm mentioned the book

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Speaker 5: absolutely amazing how many arrows have been shot at him

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Speaker 5: and eventually.

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Speaker 12: You have to go to the shooter.

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Speaker 5: So those people who are shooting arrows at him. Back

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Speaker 5: to the original question, how do we feel about what

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Speaker 5: they said? I feel like they are absolute traders, but hopeful.

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Speaker 2: But they have they have they have a right. I

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Speaker 2: guess what I'm saying. He overreacts when he says, you know,

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Speaker 2: this is edition, this is this is treason. No, it's not,

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Speaker 2: it's it's they're exercising their first Amendment. And I think

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Speaker 2: to say, mister president, this hurts you. You know, I

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Speaker 2: think that right. I think that you and I probably

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Speaker 2: see it very similarly. Laurie, I loved your call. Have

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Speaker 2: you called you? Have you called before?

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Speaker 10: Or no?

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Speaker 5: No, we got to give you a round of applause

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Speaker 5: one time a couple of years ago.

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Speaker 2: Well we'll still give you a round of applause because

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Speaker 2: come on back more, would you please?

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Speaker 5: I really all right, Well, thank you, and good luck

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Speaker 5: with this question.

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Speaker 9: I hope people listen what they said.

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Speaker 2: Let's see what they say.

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Speaker 5: I think you and John agree with what they did,

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Speaker 5: because they didn't Now with Donald, you know how like

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Speaker 5: you said, they didn't say, what what are we talking

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Speaker 5: about here?

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Speaker 2: What are we talking about?

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Speaker 5: Production them exempt? Really? That's what keeps them exempt, because

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Speaker 5: then it's.

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Speaker 8: Not slander because we can't prove it true or not.

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Speaker 2: You see, well, they have all sorts of protections. First

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Speaker 2: of all, Donald Trump's re public figure. You can't slander

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Speaker 2: him at this point, and realistically, at least, you know,

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Speaker 2: unless unless you you could say to him, if you know,

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Speaker 2: what you're saying is absolutely untrue. However, because he's a

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Speaker 2: public figure. New York Times Sullivan, you have a wide

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Speaker 2: field to run before before you call him. All right, Laurie,

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Speaker 2: I gotta run. Thanks so much, talking again. Thank you,

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Speaker 2: have a great night. Let me go to Brandon, who's

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Speaker 2: in calling in from Auburn. I assume that's Massachusetts. Brandon.

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Speaker 2: How are you tonight?

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Speaker 13: I think so.

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Speaker 8: I think I'm here.

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Speaker 7: How are you, sir?

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Speaker 2: Well, pleasure to talk with you. And I don't know

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Speaker 2: if I've ever talked to a Brandon from Auburn before.

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Speaker 2: You have your Thanks for coming back, Thanks for coming back.

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Speaker 7: Absolutely, it's a pleasure.

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Speaker 2: What's your take on this?

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Speaker 7: So? So as a registered independent here in Massachusetts.

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Speaker 13: Enrolled, unenrolled, Yeah right, so, I just you know, look,

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Speaker 13: I I would love to see a time where everybody

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Speaker 13: can get together and learn to love one another and

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Speaker 13: work bipartisanship, leave, you know, and is that a right word?

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Speaker 9: I guess.

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Speaker 2: Butship, we're not going to have a cool moment. I

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Speaker 2: don't think something.

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Speaker 7: No, we're not. But anyway, so here it is. Do

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Speaker 7: I think that you know what what has just happened?

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Speaker 7: You know, with his words and everything like that, it's

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Speaker 7: a little out of line absolutely out of line. Do

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Speaker 7: I think he's doing a decent job one percent. Absolutely,

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Speaker 7: But it's just like there's a time and place where,

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Speaker 7: you know, okay, you got to step back and and

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Speaker 7: think about what you're going to say. And it's just

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Speaker 7: unfortunate because one word can take over a whole nation,

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Speaker 7: and somebody can say he could say something, and somebody

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Speaker 7: can take it out of content, and then everybody said.

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Speaker 2: The whole the whole news cycle is going. You know

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Speaker 2: what It's like. It's always like sports win the game

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Speaker 2: on the field, mister president. Okay, don't don't give locker room,

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Speaker 2: don't give your bulletin board still to the other team.

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Speaker 2: You know, the professional athletes are really smart. They're playing

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Speaker 2: a lousy team. Whoever the Patriots are playing this weekend.

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Speaker 2: You would think that they were playing the you know,

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Speaker 2: the nineteen fifty six New York Giants or the nineteen

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Speaker 2: sixty five Green Bay Packers. They're a really great team.

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Speaker 2: They got a lot of great athletes. You're a twenty

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Speaker 2: three point favorite. They're not a great team, you know.

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Speaker 2: But he's the opposite. It's like he just his best

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Speaker 2: move on in the wake of this. Shut up, don't say.

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Speaker 8: Anything exactly, keep your mouth shut.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 7: It's like, dude, I mean, you know, look, I get,

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Speaker 7: I get the drug cartels are trying to you know,

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Speaker 7: past their product here in the United States. But you know,

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Speaker 7: I mean, like, do we really have to invade Venezuela.

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Speaker 7: I mean I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I mean that's you know, I don't think we have to,

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Speaker 2: and I don't think we will.

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Speaker 7: No, absolutely not. I think it's more or less just

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Speaker 7: stretching muffles and saying, hey, we're America, now bring it,

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Speaker 7: you know what I mean.

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Speaker 2: Well, I also think there's a fifty million dollar reward

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Speaker 2: on Maduro's head, oh yeah. And I think they're hoping.

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Speaker 2: And many people don't realize that the Nobel Peace Prize

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Speaker 2: winner is a woman named Machado who's the leader of

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Speaker 2: the opposition in Venezuela.

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Speaker 7: And he's not even really the president. He just said,

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Speaker 7: you know what, I'm taking it over, screw.

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Speaker 2: It, El president for life. I think we had a

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Speaker 2: guy over at Cuba who pulled kind of the same

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Speaker 2: thing a few years ago, or a few decades ago,

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Speaker 2: I should say, Fidel.

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Speaker 7: And we know what happened to him, right right, I say.

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Speaker 2: To hell with Fidel. Okay, yeah, you hope that's where.

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Speaker 7: He is exactly.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, bred great, great call, great call, Thank

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Speaker 2: you so much. Come on back soon. Okay, man, I

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Speaker 2: appreciate it.

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Speaker 6: We'll do sir, Thank you very well.

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Speaker 2: The only line is opened is when the Branda just

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Speaker 2: got off. Six point seven nine three, one ten thirty.

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Speaker 2: Coming right back. I got Donner in Framingham awaiting Eric

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Speaker 2: and Maine and Bill in Pennsylvania will be back on Nightside.

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Speaker 2: Eric is first up, followed by Donna coming back on Nightside.

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Speaker 1: Night Side with Dan Ray. I'm Boston's news radio.

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Speaker 2: All right, let's keep rolling, his promised. Eric is up

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Speaker 2: in Maine. Hey, Eric, next on Nightside.

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Speaker 8: Welcome, Hey Dan, It's Eric from Maine. Now I'm not

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Speaker 8: my throwing anymore because I moved.

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Speaker 2: You did, come on, I did? Yeah, I was congratulation.

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Speaker 8: I sold my business. I retired from the Navy Navy Reserve.

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Speaker 8: I flew with the Navy for active and reserve twenty

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Speaker 8: four years flying with them. Wow, and uh sold the

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Speaker 8: business down there in Reading and up there married.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for the service. How far up in Maine?

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Speaker 12: Eric, I'm just a rundle because I worked for the.

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Speaker 8: Navy full time now on submarines. So I'm still doing it.

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Speaker 12: I'm I'm an engineer over there for.

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Speaker 8: Them, finally using that degree from UMass, you know, and

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Speaker 8: uh that's why I do. I got out a work

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Speaker 8: at three pm this afternoon, and you know, I got

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Speaker 8: to my truck, looked at my phone and I was

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Speaker 8: just horror. For my blood's still kind of boiling, you know,

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Speaker 8: after all this, you know, I I'm like this, this

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Speaker 8: has to be AI. I thought AI made it up

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Speaker 8: at first. I'm like, this has to be made up

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Speaker 8: by AI. This can't be a real bit.

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Speaker 2: You know, who are you more disappointed and more more

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Speaker 2: angry out of whatever the Democrats who decided.

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Speaker 8: To I'm I'm I'm I'm angry at the Congressman. We

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Speaker 8: have the Hatch Act. Me as a serviceman all those years,

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Speaker 8: and even now where I work for the Navy full time,

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Speaker 8: I can't go to spray paint you know, Trump for

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Speaker 8: president or anyone for president on the side of my airplane.

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Speaker 8: I can't even hold a sign while I'm in uniform.

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Speaker 8: I mean, we're supposed to have that, you know, division

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Speaker 8: in our lives, and the Congressmen are supposed to you know,

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Speaker 8: let's they're not in my chain of command. You know,

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Speaker 8: the president is they're supposed to keep their opinions inside

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Speaker 8: the walls of the Capitol, and and when we come

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Speaker 8: out of the capitol, when they come out of the

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Speaker 8: capital's supposed to be one team, one fight, you know.

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Speaker 2: And they.

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Speaker 8: They they have the right to have speech, but they

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Speaker 8: can't be taught. They're not supposed to tell It's up

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Speaker 8: to them to voice their opinion in the Capitol. And

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Speaker 8: then that that that opinion goes through the Armed Services Committee,

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Speaker 8: goes through vote, goes through legislation and gets to the

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Speaker 8: serviceman and US.

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Speaker 2: And my question is do you think the president makes

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Speaker 2: a mistake. I think he made a huge mistake to

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Speaker 2: say this is treason.

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Speaker 8: And sedition and I it's you know, we would we

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Speaker 8: bombed Blouse and Cambodia. We've done a lot of things

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Speaker 8: through the years without someone coming out of a congressman

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Speaker 8: coming out of the Capitol and trying to speak to

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Speaker 8: the serviceman directly. We I don't think anyone in the

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Speaker 8: military has any respect for on of those people in

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Speaker 8: the and that did that video, because that's not how.

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Speaker 9: You do it.

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Speaker 8: We're supposed to take our opinions.

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Speaker 2: Ever, any that official trying to speak to go, you know,

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Speaker 2: to basically go around the chain of command.

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Speaker 12: Uh, that was around the chain of command.

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Speaker 8: That was just blatant.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that was Layton. And I'm called for tell service

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Speaker 2: members something that they instinctively know. It would be like

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Speaker 2: if I did a video and said, well, I hope

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Speaker 2: that Page's really try to win this week because I'd

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Speaker 2: like to see them get to the super Bowl and

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Speaker 2: they have to they have to really try to win.

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Speaker 2: Of course they try to win.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, we we know what we know what you c.

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Speaker 8: MJ tells us. We know all our rights, we know

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Speaker 8: what we're supposed to do. You know, we didn't need that,

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Speaker 8: and that's just it's insulting for us as service members.

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Speaker 8: But but it's insulting. It's insulting. I'm glad you brought

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Speaker 8: up the Monroe doctrine because I'm glad to hear that.

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Speaker 12: I will say. I will say twenty years ago, I

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Speaker 12: was part of a mission in.

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Speaker 8: An anti drug where we sunk a bot that had six.

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Speaker 12: On the cocaine on it.

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Speaker 8: And that was twenty years ago. And we've been doing

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Speaker 8: this for a long time.

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Speaker 2: A lot of things that are thank you.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean, we brought that.

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Speaker 12: We brought the prisoners from the boat.

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Speaker 8: There were twenty Colombians on the boat. We brought them

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Speaker 8: back to the US to stand trial, and we brought

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Speaker 8: evidence back all that. I was on a transport paint

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Speaker 8: playing with the Navy, and I went to South America Central.

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Speaker 8: I went to sixty five countries in the end. It

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Speaker 8: was crazy ride, but it was fun. It was, but

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Speaker 8: it was a crazy.

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Speaker 2: Your service. I got to get one more caller in

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Speaker 2: here before the break, But Eric, a congratulations on your move.

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Speaker 2: I want to hear from you more often. Okay. I

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Speaker 2: love your calls. You know that. Thank you, my friend.

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Speaker 2: Thank you. All right, have a good night, you too, Eric.

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Speaker 2: Thanks Donna and framing him. Donna gets you in here

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Speaker 2: before the news. I'll hold you over if I have

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Speaker 2: to go right ahead.

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Speaker 11: Oh, I'm glad to hear that. A couple of things

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Speaker 11: I would say right off the bat. You've talked in

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Speaker 11: the past. I just want to get this out of

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Speaker 11: the way about the eyeward being integrity. When you vote

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Speaker 11: for me, it's the sea word, which is character. That's okay,

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Speaker 11: I don't I don't think that Donald. That's why I

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Speaker 11: can't vote for Donald Trump, because I don't think he's

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Speaker 11: moral or ethical. Okay, So anyway, a couple of things.

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Speaker 11: If you call back, somebody said that he knows what

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Speaker 11: he's doing when he's got the great people around him.

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Speaker 11: That's not what's happening. They're not the same people that

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Speaker 11: wor they have a lot of time. Bill Bodd, John Bolton,

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Speaker 11: et cetera, et cetera.

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Speaker 2: I think he's got better people around him this time,

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Speaker 2: to be really honest.

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Speaker 11: With Certainly we'll talk talking about that some other time.

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Speaker 11: But I remember, well, the one thing that I feel

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Speaker 11: most uh strongly is that I'm actually afraid of the president.

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Speaker 11: But anyway, I wanted to say that last time we

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Speaker 11: were president and they were talking about protesters. I don't

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Speaker 11: remember which protester was, he asked Mark Esper if he

647
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Speaker 11: could shoot the protesters in the legs. I remember that.

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Speaker 2: Yes.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, So what we're going to do, Dan wait for

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Speaker 11: another ken state before we do something to try to

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Speaker 11: make make stop making these too good rash comments. Okay,

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Speaker 11: that we have kem Skates again.

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Speaker 2: No, look, you never know what happens tomorrow. Okay, but

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Speaker 2: he apparently asked that question, Uh, when things were getting

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Speaker 2: pretty close to the White House. Dumb question. Never should

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Speaker 2: have asked it. It should have been kept in confidence, frankly,

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Speaker 2: between Esper and the president. If the president in my opinion,

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Speaker 2: in my opinion, if you're serving the president of the

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Speaker 2: United States, you're going to disagree with me. But that's fine.

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Speaker 2: There there are certain comments and statements that you don't

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Speaker 2: go leak them to the press. And Okay, that's that's

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Speaker 2: my thought. I'll hold you through the news and we

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Speaker 2: can pick this up on the other side. Okay, well,

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Speaker 2: that's fine. I'd love to have you stay. We'll be

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Speaker 2: back right after the news with Donna. I have a

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Speaker 2: couple of lines open six one seven, two four ten

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Speaker 2: thirty is one six, one seven, nine three one ten thirty.

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Speaker 2: We're talking about the statements made by Congress yesterday by

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Speaker 2: six members of Congress, all of whom it served in

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Speaker 2: the military, one in the CIA. Uh, and we're talking

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Speaker 2: about Donald Trump's reaction today, which I believe was overreaction.

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Speaker 2: I said it earlier, I'll say it again. We'll reset,

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Speaker 2: we'll play it again for you right after the eleven

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Speaker 2: o'clock news on night side light. The lines up stay

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Speaker 2: with us back after this