1 00:00:01,320 --> 00:00:05,160 Speaker 1: You're listening to Bill Handle on demand from KFI AM 2 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:08,000 Speaker 1: six forty. 3 00:00:08,960 --> 00:00:13,160 Speaker 2: Good morning, my friend, and welcome home. I am Dean Sharp, 4 00:00:13,360 --> 00:00:17,360 Speaker 2: the house Whisperer, custom home builder, custom home designer, and 5 00:00:17,440 --> 00:00:21,119 Speaker 2: your guide to better understanding that place where you live. 6 00:00:21,640 --> 00:00:25,280 Speaker 2: We are here every week every Saturday morning. Every Saturday 7 00:00:25,280 --> 00:00:28,560 Speaker 2: morning is an All Calls Saturday Morning, and then every 8 00:00:28,600 --> 00:00:31,600 Speaker 2: Sunday from nine to noon the Big Show, where I 9 00:00:31,720 --> 00:00:34,440 Speaker 2: tackle a particular topic. We also take calls on the 10 00:00:34,440 --> 00:00:37,560 Speaker 2: Big Show as well. But I'm glad you're here with us. 11 00:00:37,640 --> 00:00:40,360 Speaker 2: It is just a few minutes after seven a m. 12 00:00:40,880 --> 00:00:43,320 Speaker 2: We've got a board full of calls. There's still room 13 00:00:43,400 --> 00:00:45,480 Speaker 2: for you. If there's something going on with your home 14 00:00:45,760 --> 00:00:47,800 Speaker 2: you want to put our heads together and get it 15 00:00:47,800 --> 00:00:49,720 Speaker 2: figured out, you can give me a call. Eight three 16 00:00:49,880 --> 00:00:54,120 Speaker 2: three two Ask Dean eight three three the numeral two 17 00:00:54,880 --> 00:00:58,760 Speaker 2: ask Dean. By the way, tomorrow's show on the Big Show, 18 00:00:59,160 --> 00:01:01,160 Speaker 2: we're going to be going to look back a couple 19 00:01:01,160 --> 00:01:04,640 Speaker 2: of weeks back to an event that for a number 20 00:01:04,680 --> 00:01:07,400 Speaker 2: of reasons I wasn't able to cover then, But the 21 00:01:07,440 --> 00:01:10,959 Speaker 2: Consumer Electronics Show, the Annual Consumer Electronics Show, the Big 22 00:01:11,160 --> 00:01:15,160 Speaker 2: CES in Las Vegas took place just at the beginning 23 00:01:15,200 --> 00:01:18,479 Speaker 2: of this month and before we get out of here 24 00:01:18,720 --> 00:01:22,520 Speaker 2: in January. I guess today actually is technically our last day, 25 00:01:22,600 --> 00:01:25,960 Speaker 2: isn't it. Today's less Okay, Well, before it gets more 26 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:28,960 Speaker 2: than four weeks away from us, I wanted to make 27 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:31,520 Speaker 2: sure that you heard the latest for me, So we'll 28 00:01:31,560 --> 00:01:36,399 Speaker 2: be talking about what in regards to your home innovations, 29 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:40,640 Speaker 2: smart electronics and so on came up this year worth 30 00:01:40,720 --> 00:01:45,160 Speaker 2: mentioning from the Consumer Electronics Show. So all CES tomorrow 31 00:01:45,400 --> 00:01:48,040 Speaker 2: it's going to be great because you know, you've probably 32 00:01:48,080 --> 00:01:52,880 Speaker 2: heard a news report or two commentary on CES, but 33 00:01:53,080 --> 00:01:55,720 Speaker 2: usually it's about gadgets and this and that and the other. Thing. 34 00:01:56,040 --> 00:02:00,040 Speaker 2: My interest is what from that show every year and 35 00:02:00,200 --> 00:02:02,840 Speaker 2: we extract that has anything and everything to do with 36 00:02:03,040 --> 00:02:06,920 Speaker 2: your home, and there's always plenty of it. So we'll 37 00:02:06,920 --> 00:02:09,360 Speaker 2: have some fun talking about that tomorrow. But right now 38 00:02:09,760 --> 00:02:12,400 Speaker 2: I've got Dan on the line, got him on hold. 39 00:02:13,320 --> 00:02:15,760 Speaker 2: Dan has got a house in Burbank built in the 40 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:21,280 Speaker 2: forties with an attached garage, but no actual door built 41 00:02:21,320 --> 00:02:25,520 Speaker 2: in between the house and the garage, just exterior access 42 00:02:25,680 --> 00:02:28,799 Speaker 2: to it. Not uncommon for that time period at all. 43 00:02:30,040 --> 00:02:33,400 Speaker 2: A while back, he put an exterior door on because 44 00:02:33,440 --> 00:02:36,880 Speaker 2: his teenage son was using it as his pad so 45 00:02:36,919 --> 00:02:39,160 Speaker 2: that he had kind of his private entrance. But that's 46 00:02:39,720 --> 00:02:43,359 Speaker 2: passed now and Dan wants to use that garage as 47 00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:48,160 Speaker 2: his office. Wondering how do we get a door in 48 00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:53,680 Speaker 2: between the house and the garage Number one and number two. Dan, 49 00:02:53,800 --> 00:02:56,799 Speaker 2: correct me if I'm wrong. You said that the wall 50 00:02:56,919 --> 00:02:59,320 Speaker 2: that the garage shares with the house is the dining 51 00:02:59,400 --> 00:03:02,880 Speaker 2: room wall, so you're not really thrilled about the idea 52 00:03:02,880 --> 00:03:04,720 Speaker 2: of having a garage door right in the middle of 53 00:03:04,760 --> 00:03:10,919 Speaker 2: the dining room wall. That's correct, Okay, So as far 54 00:03:10,960 --> 00:03:15,720 Speaker 2: as the structure goes, it's no big deal. You can 55 00:03:16,240 --> 00:03:18,520 Speaker 2: put a door in there just like you did on 56 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:21,840 Speaker 2: the outside. In fact, you know, it's actually going to 57 00:03:21,919 --> 00:03:24,920 Speaker 2: be very similar. You thought there was a block wall 58 00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:29,280 Speaker 2: there in between the house and the garage. I mean, 59 00:03:29,320 --> 00:03:33,920 Speaker 2: it's always possible, you know, because anything is possible. But 60 00:03:34,560 --> 00:03:37,120 Speaker 2: what really you've got there is a plaster wall. That's 61 00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:39,000 Speaker 2: what you got through the whole house. There's no dry 62 00:03:39,040 --> 00:03:41,960 Speaker 2: wall in the house unless new work has been done. 63 00:03:42,680 --> 00:03:45,760 Speaker 2: You got a plaster wall. And on the garage side 64 00:03:46,080 --> 00:03:49,800 Speaker 2: you've got a stucco or a stuccle equivalent on that side. 65 00:03:49,840 --> 00:03:52,280 Speaker 2: So you've got a wall, a wood frame wall with 66 00:03:52,480 --> 00:03:55,240 Speaker 2: essentially a layer of concrete on both sides. You can 67 00:03:55,280 --> 00:03:58,080 Speaker 2: still be cut through. You can still put in a doorheader, 68 00:03:58,440 --> 00:04:01,720 Speaker 2: frame it all out, patch it all in and have 69 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:06,440 Speaker 2: an access door. But understand by code a couple of things. One, 70 00:04:06,840 --> 00:04:10,920 Speaker 2: your garage is considered outside. It's outside. That's why there 71 00:04:11,040 --> 00:04:15,080 Speaker 2: is a stucco finish on that wall of the garage, 72 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:18,240 Speaker 2: a nineteen forties garage. I'd be shocked, and I know 73 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:21,400 Speaker 2: you've converted it, but originally it was just all bare 74 00:04:21,440 --> 00:04:25,320 Speaker 2: open studs except for that wall that it shares with 75 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:28,800 Speaker 2: the house. That's because that wall has to have a 76 00:04:28,839 --> 00:04:32,960 Speaker 2: fire rated a wall in between the outside, which is 77 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:35,800 Speaker 2: the inside of the garage and the rest of the house. 78 00:04:36,760 --> 00:04:39,679 Speaker 2: And when you put a door in, that door needs 79 00:04:39,720 --> 00:04:43,000 Speaker 2: to be a fire rated twenty minute fire rated solid 80 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:46,280 Speaker 2: core door. Can't just be you know, a fancy schmancy 81 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:49,200 Speaker 2: It can't be a glass door unless it's tempered. The 82 00:04:49,279 --> 00:04:52,039 Speaker 2: point is it's got to be a fire rated door 83 00:04:52,440 --> 00:04:55,760 Speaker 2: and it should self close with a self closing hinge 84 00:04:55,880 --> 00:04:59,240 Speaker 2: in order to meet all the local fire rated codes. 85 00:04:59,320 --> 00:05:02,600 Speaker 2: Because anything that happens in the garage. We don't want 86 00:05:03,120 --> 00:05:06,479 Speaker 2: easy access for flame or any other issues to get 87 00:05:06,480 --> 00:05:08,960 Speaker 2: into the house. That's the code on the door. But 88 00:05:09,040 --> 00:05:12,640 Speaker 2: it's totally doable. So from a structural perspective, you're just 89 00:05:12,640 --> 00:05:13,960 Speaker 2: going to have to deal with the fact that you've 90 00:05:13,960 --> 00:05:16,400 Speaker 2: got plaster walls and get those patched up, and you've 91 00:05:16,440 --> 00:05:18,960 Speaker 2: got stucco on the outside to cut and get all 92 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:21,480 Speaker 2: of that fixed up. But the door can totally happen. 93 00:05:22,240 --> 00:05:26,920 Speaker 2: On the other issue, the aesthetic issue, that's the tricky one, 94 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:31,039 Speaker 2: right because who wants a garage door in the middle 95 00:05:31,040 --> 00:05:34,200 Speaker 2: of their dining room? And I feel you on that, 96 00:05:34,480 --> 00:05:37,440 Speaker 2: and that would be for me the only reason not 97 00:05:37,640 --> 00:05:40,719 Speaker 2: to do it, because I don't want that door. Now, 98 00:05:41,440 --> 00:05:45,960 Speaker 2: are there ways to hide a door or to minimize 99 00:05:45,960 --> 00:05:50,479 Speaker 2: its presence? Yes, absolutely, there's always a way. I just 100 00:05:50,480 --> 00:05:54,520 Speaker 2: don't know if you know how much you so want 101 00:05:54,560 --> 00:05:59,680 Speaker 2: that interior access to to your office, you know, slash 102 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:03,480 Speaker 2: garage that you want to go to the trouble of 103 00:06:03,560 --> 00:06:09,520 Speaker 2: hiding the door. Two different ideas here. One whenever I 104 00:06:09,680 --> 00:06:12,240 Speaker 2: want to de emphasize a door, and this is the 105 00:06:12,279 --> 00:06:16,279 Speaker 2: easier of the two options. What we want to do 106 00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:19,280 Speaker 2: is we go for an install that minimizes the door. 107 00:06:19,320 --> 00:06:21,000 Speaker 2: I have one of these in my own home. I 108 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:23,760 Speaker 2: have in my entry as you come in, I've got 109 00:06:23,760 --> 00:06:28,520 Speaker 2: a small closet that has supplies in it and audio 110 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:31,039 Speaker 2: video equipment. It's the only place I can have the 111 00:06:31,080 --> 00:06:34,960 Speaker 2: access to that closet, right in the entryway. And I 112 00:06:35,080 --> 00:06:37,240 Speaker 2: want that door to kind of go away. Now, I 113 00:06:37,279 --> 00:06:40,600 Speaker 2: didn't go to the trouble of hiding the door like 114 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:45,200 Speaker 2: hidden door. But it's a minimal door. And what that is. 115 00:06:45,240 --> 00:06:49,440 Speaker 2: It's a slab door, flat slab door, no details whatsoever. 116 00:06:50,880 --> 00:06:55,080 Speaker 2: And it is mounted on its jam in such a 117 00:06:55,120 --> 00:06:58,839 Speaker 2: way that the plaster in the wall comes across the jam. 118 00:06:59,080 --> 00:07:02,320 Speaker 2: No casing on this door. The plaster on the wall 119 00:07:02,360 --> 00:07:05,520 Speaker 2: comes across the jam, hits an l metal and stops 120 00:07:05,720 --> 00:07:08,720 Speaker 2: and then the door. And so if you look at 121 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:11,720 Speaker 2: my wall, you will see the outline of a door. 122 00:07:11,840 --> 00:07:15,640 Speaker 2: Literally all you see is the eighth of an inch gap, 123 00:07:16,120 --> 00:07:20,040 Speaker 2: the line outlining the door. And then in this case, 124 00:07:20,040 --> 00:07:23,119 Speaker 2: we wallpaper that wall and wallpaper right across the face 125 00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:25,920 Speaker 2: of the door. And so the only clue that there's 126 00:07:25,960 --> 00:07:28,920 Speaker 2: a door there is the very small handle or a 127 00:07:28,920 --> 00:07:32,239 Speaker 2: piece of hardware, and the outline and people just ignore 128 00:07:32,280 --> 00:07:35,520 Speaker 2: it and it doesn't esthetically mess up the entryway. That's 129 00:07:35,560 --> 00:07:37,600 Speaker 2: the easier of the two. So if you can imagine 130 00:07:37,640 --> 00:07:39,920 Speaker 2: a door just the outline of a door on the 131 00:07:39,920 --> 00:07:43,080 Speaker 2: dining room wall, and that works out for you, then 132 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:45,240 Speaker 2: that would be one option. You're going to have to 133 00:07:45,320 --> 00:07:48,880 Speaker 2: have a full on latch there, but again, because of code, 134 00:07:48,880 --> 00:07:51,320 Speaker 2: you're gonna need a door handle there. So there's going 135 00:07:51,360 --> 00:07:53,280 Speaker 2: to be a door handle and the outline of a door. 136 00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:57,920 Speaker 2: We could minimize it down to that, or we could 137 00:07:58,040 --> 00:08:01,320 Speaker 2: hide the whole thing. But to hide the whole thing, 138 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:04,280 Speaker 2: we've got to treat the rest of the wall. We've 139 00:08:04,280 --> 00:08:07,360 Speaker 2: got to put something going on on the wall so 140 00:08:07,400 --> 00:08:10,160 Speaker 2: that I can actually make that door go away. In 141 00:08:10,200 --> 00:08:13,520 Speaker 2: other words, I would set up a paneling detail, like 142 00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:16,120 Speaker 2: we decide this side of the dining room wall, we're 143 00:08:16,120 --> 00:08:19,000 Speaker 2: going to do wood paneling, and the wood panels just 144 00:08:19,080 --> 00:08:21,720 Speaker 2: happen to be a certain height and a certain width 145 00:08:21,760 --> 00:08:24,200 Speaker 2: and they lay out across the room boom boom, boom, 146 00:08:24,200 --> 00:08:28,040 Speaker 2: boom boom. And behind one of these wood panel sets 147 00:08:28,360 --> 00:08:31,280 Speaker 2: with the trim and the panel mold, it's actually a 148 00:08:31,360 --> 00:08:34,360 Speaker 2: door and it hides the seam hides the hinge and 149 00:08:34,440 --> 00:08:37,360 Speaker 2: so on, and you walk up to it and you know, 150 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:40,520 Speaker 2: activate it and you could open up the door, so 151 00:08:40,720 --> 00:08:44,320 Speaker 2: it's truly a hidden door. There are also hidden doors 152 00:08:44,360 --> 00:08:47,880 Speaker 2: that for interiors, like Murphy doors, you know the Murphy 153 00:08:47,880 --> 00:08:51,320 Speaker 2: Bed Company. They make some amazing Murphy doors as well. 154 00:08:52,400 --> 00:08:56,360 Speaker 2: That's actually a cabinet or a bookshelf or all sorts 155 00:08:56,400 --> 00:08:59,480 Speaker 2: of things like that. But again, this door, because it's 156 00:08:59,520 --> 00:09:02,360 Speaker 2: the garage, has to be fire rated, and I don't 157 00:09:02,360 --> 00:09:05,480 Speaker 2: think most of those would work, but those are right 158 00:09:05,520 --> 00:09:07,720 Speaker 2: off the top of my head. Those are the two options. 159 00:09:07,760 --> 00:09:11,560 Speaker 2: You can either minimize this door down to just the 160 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:15,600 Speaker 2: door line and the door handle, even the hinges could 161 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:19,040 Speaker 2: be hidden, or you could hide it, but you'd have 162 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:21,880 Speaker 2: to treat the entire wall esthetically. That's how we would 163 00:09:21,880 --> 00:09:23,559 Speaker 2: approach it from a design perspective. 164 00:09:25,640 --> 00:09:29,520 Speaker 3: Okay, that makes sense. One question, should the door open 165 00:09:29,920 --> 00:09:31,480 Speaker 3: in inward or outward? 166 00:09:32,120 --> 00:09:35,840 Speaker 2: You know a lot of people think erroneously that there 167 00:09:35,840 --> 00:09:39,080 Speaker 2: has to be an inn or an outswing to that door. 168 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:43,560 Speaker 2: It doesn't matter. So in this case, as long as 169 00:09:43,600 --> 00:09:47,120 Speaker 2: there's a self closing hinge on it, it would swing in. Okay, 170 00:09:47,160 --> 00:09:51,000 Speaker 2: because swinging in means that you can mount that flat 171 00:09:51,240 --> 00:09:55,520 Speaker 2: panel door flush to the interior wall. Otherwise, if it 172 00:09:55,559 --> 00:09:58,959 Speaker 2: swings into the garage, there's going to be the notch 173 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:00,959 Speaker 2: where the jam is and the door is going to 174 00:10:01,040 --> 00:10:03,360 Speaker 2: be on the back side of the jam, and there's 175 00:10:03,440 --> 00:10:05,600 Speaker 2: no you know, there's no hiding the door at that point. 176 00:10:05,679 --> 00:10:08,400 Speaker 2: So it would have to be a swing into the 177 00:10:08,440 --> 00:10:12,040 Speaker 2: house door from the garage in order to get the 178 00:10:12,720 --> 00:10:18,960 Speaker 2: layers flushed out on that interior wall. Okay, Dan, thanks 179 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:22,000 Speaker 2: for your call, buddy. Great question. Give it some thought. 180 00:10:22,320 --> 00:10:24,640 Speaker 2: Maybe at the end of that explanation you're like, yeah, 181 00:10:24,640 --> 00:10:27,400 Speaker 2: you know what, I'm just going to walk outside to 182 00:10:27,440 --> 00:10:31,960 Speaker 2: get into my office. Probably I'm guessing eighty percent chance 183 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:33,520 Speaker 2: that that's what you're going to want to do. But 184 00:10:33,760 --> 00:10:37,960 Speaker 2: great question. I love asking the question. All right, y'all, 185 00:10:38,080 --> 00:10:40,120 Speaker 2: more of your calls when we return your home with 186 00:10:40,240 --> 00:10:43,439 Speaker 2: Dean Sharp, the house Whisper. Dean Sharp, the house Whisper 187 00:10:43,840 --> 00:10:45,959 Speaker 2: here to help you take your home to the next level. 188 00:10:45,960 --> 00:10:49,000 Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us on the program. Welcome to the show. 189 00:10:49,559 --> 00:10:52,680 Speaker 2: It is an all calls Saturday morning. We're taking your 190 00:10:52,679 --> 00:10:55,680 Speaker 2: calls anything going on with your home, And I want 191 00:10:55,679 --> 00:10:59,480 Speaker 2: to go back to the phones and let's talk to Mike. 192 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:03,079 Speaker 2: Welcome home, Adean. 193 00:11:03,520 --> 00:11:06,040 Speaker 3: I live in Texas. We've lived in our home for 194 00:11:06,080 --> 00:11:08,000 Speaker 3: two and a half years, but I think the house 195 00:11:08,160 --> 00:11:11,560 Speaker 3: and the furnace has probably been in three years. We 196 00:11:11,640 --> 00:11:15,320 Speaker 3: had an inspection company come out as we do annually, 197 00:11:15,880 --> 00:11:18,160 Speaker 3: and they discovered and they won't say the word mold, 198 00:11:18,559 --> 00:11:23,480 Speaker 3: but they discovered a fungus in the planum. So we thought, okay, 199 00:11:23,520 --> 00:11:26,040 Speaker 3: that's one person's opinion. So we had another company out 200 00:11:26,480 --> 00:11:31,120 Speaker 3: they said the same thing. So we're getting remedy ideas, 201 00:11:31,160 --> 00:11:34,320 Speaker 3: and it looks like it's just in the planum. But 202 00:11:34,400 --> 00:11:35,960 Speaker 3: some of the ideas, of course, are to go in 203 00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:39,360 Speaker 3: and use some kind of a spray, clean it out, 204 00:11:39,480 --> 00:11:41,440 Speaker 3: vacuum it out. But what they all want to do 205 00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:44,200 Speaker 3: is then once it's cleaned out, put in a kind 206 00:11:44,200 --> 00:11:47,160 Speaker 3: of a black light or some kind of a light 207 00:11:47,240 --> 00:11:51,400 Speaker 3: that doesn't allow it to grow back. Do you like 208 00:11:51,480 --> 00:11:54,679 Speaker 3: that idea or do you have other ideas well? 209 00:11:54,760 --> 00:11:57,600 Speaker 2: I have no issues with anything I've heard so far. 210 00:11:58,480 --> 00:12:01,200 Speaker 2: And is it just in the planum? Have people have 211 00:12:01,240 --> 00:12:03,120 Speaker 2: they looked in the ducts as well? 212 00:12:05,320 --> 00:12:07,719 Speaker 3: All I've seen is pictures of the planum. That's all 213 00:12:07,720 --> 00:12:11,720 Speaker 3: they talk about. One company did say they they go 214 00:12:11,800 --> 00:12:15,520 Speaker 3: in and clean and vacuum out all the ducks with 215 00:12:15,640 --> 00:12:18,120 Speaker 3: a spray and then put the light in. 216 00:12:18,880 --> 00:12:22,600 Speaker 2: Okay, okay, yeah, that's so here's the thing. Yeah, let's 217 00:12:22,679 --> 00:12:25,040 Speaker 2: just say what it is they found among the fungus. 218 00:12:25,280 --> 00:12:28,520 Speaker 2: Let's just talk about mold. Let's talk about the molds 219 00:12:28,520 --> 00:12:33,240 Speaker 2: in your HVAC in your furnace system. Okay, worst place 220 00:12:33,320 --> 00:12:36,400 Speaker 2: for it to be in the house because that is 221 00:12:36,480 --> 00:12:41,440 Speaker 2: the direct mold spore delivery system to you know, literally 222 00:12:41,480 --> 00:12:43,840 Speaker 2: to the air that we breathe. And that's the biggest 223 00:12:43,840 --> 00:12:46,520 Speaker 2: concern that people have about mold, because the health issue 224 00:12:46,559 --> 00:12:49,120 Speaker 2: is when it turns into its spore form that you're 225 00:12:49,160 --> 00:12:51,400 Speaker 2: breathing it in, and that's when people have all sorts 226 00:12:51,440 --> 00:12:53,839 Speaker 2: of issues with it. It's not just that mold is 227 00:12:53,880 --> 00:12:56,360 Speaker 2: growing in the corner of the room. It's not going 228 00:12:56,400 --> 00:12:59,200 Speaker 2: to jump across the room and attack you. It is 229 00:12:59,280 --> 00:13:01,679 Speaker 2: when it goes in its spore phase and it throws 230 00:13:01,720 --> 00:13:04,960 Speaker 2: those spores out and their microscopic and they get in 231 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:07,560 Speaker 2: our air and they get into our lungs, and that's 232 00:13:07,559 --> 00:13:13,560 Speaker 2: a problem. It's a definite, absolute health problem. So, first 233 00:13:13,559 --> 00:13:17,360 Speaker 2: of all, yeah, mold in the plema, turn off that system, 234 00:13:17,480 --> 00:13:20,320 Speaker 2: do not use it, get it cleaned out. 235 00:13:20,679 --> 00:13:20,920 Speaker 4: You know. 236 00:13:21,120 --> 00:13:24,679 Speaker 2: The fortunate thing is that mold is is you know, 237 00:13:24,720 --> 00:13:28,040 Speaker 2: it's not some alien creature that somehow resists all of 238 00:13:28,080 --> 00:13:31,600 Speaker 2: our efforts. It dies pretty easily under the right conditions. 239 00:13:31,679 --> 00:13:37,840 Speaker 2: So sanitizing the plenum is absolute number one. Number two, 240 00:13:37,920 --> 00:13:40,480 Speaker 2: though I am concerned if it you know, if it 241 00:13:40,559 --> 00:13:43,920 Speaker 2: was undiscovered for a while, that there may be deposits 242 00:13:43,960 --> 00:13:47,520 Speaker 2: of it along the duct system itself. So I would 243 00:13:47,559 --> 00:13:51,559 Speaker 2: definitely go with I mean, I'm not saying that particular company, 244 00:13:51,559 --> 00:13:55,400 Speaker 2: but go with the theory that we need to sanitize 245 00:13:55,480 --> 00:13:59,960 Speaker 2: the entire air duct system. So spray down the system, 246 00:14:00,440 --> 00:14:04,319 Speaker 2: the ducts as well, and the registers and the plenum 247 00:14:04,720 --> 00:14:12,080 Speaker 2: to make sure that we get everything then underlying conditions. Now, 248 00:14:12,200 --> 00:14:16,080 Speaker 2: the UV light inside the plenum, that's it's a good 249 00:14:16,080 --> 00:14:21,520 Speaker 2: idea as a preventative measure. You've, Ultraviolet light is one 250 00:14:21,560 --> 00:14:24,840 Speaker 2: of those things that keeps those things from starting in 251 00:14:24,880 --> 00:14:27,960 Speaker 2: the first place, and they are it's not a it's 252 00:14:28,040 --> 00:14:32,080 Speaker 2: not a weird, uh you know, wacky idea. It is 253 00:14:32,320 --> 00:14:35,440 Speaker 2: a it's a given in some situations that we want 254 00:14:35,480 --> 00:14:39,240 Speaker 2: a UV light inside the plenum. System to make sure 255 00:14:39,640 --> 00:14:42,640 Speaker 2: that it keeps that under control and that we don't 256 00:14:42,680 --> 00:14:46,400 Speaker 2: have that happening again. So that is also not at 257 00:14:46,440 --> 00:14:51,680 Speaker 2: all a bad idea. But underlying all of this is 258 00:14:51,760 --> 00:14:55,520 Speaker 2: the question of why did it get there to begin with? Okay, 259 00:14:56,080 --> 00:14:58,400 Speaker 2: where do you live in Texas? Down by the Gulfer, 260 00:14:58,520 --> 00:15:00,480 Speaker 2: up north or out west? 261 00:15:00,760 --> 00:15:03,920 Speaker 3: Well, okay, we live just south of Austin. And here's 262 00:15:04,280 --> 00:15:08,160 Speaker 3: the weird one. We live in track housing built by 263 00:15:08,200 --> 00:15:11,520 Speaker 3: a major builder, and this has happened to several other 264 00:15:11,560 --> 00:15:14,880 Speaker 3: houses in our neighborhood. So you know, it's like it's 265 00:15:14,880 --> 00:15:16,520 Speaker 3: one of those things where like, what's going on. 266 00:15:18,480 --> 00:15:23,240 Speaker 2: Right off the top of your head, what's the humidity level? 267 00:15:23,400 --> 00:15:24,480 Speaker 2: Like normally. 268 00:15:26,200 --> 00:15:31,240 Speaker 3: Depends on time of year, usually above fifty percent, you know, 269 00:15:31,480 --> 00:15:33,440 Speaker 3: obviously higher in the summertime. 270 00:15:33,520 --> 00:15:36,720 Speaker 2: Right So here, that's that's the real issue, Mike. Okay, 271 00:15:36,880 --> 00:15:40,960 Speaker 2: just FYI, now why you're tracked as opposed to you know, 272 00:15:41,760 --> 00:15:48,479 Speaker 2: those are things that are difficult to understand sometimes because microclimates, regions. 273 00:15:48,560 --> 00:15:51,640 Speaker 2: I really doubt it has anything to do with the builder. 274 00:15:52,200 --> 00:15:55,320 Speaker 2: I think it's just for whatever your area, your situation, 275 00:15:56,240 --> 00:15:59,640 Speaker 2: it might be a fact. But my main concern is this, 276 00:16:01,040 --> 00:16:04,040 Speaker 2: you live in a high humid environment for a good 277 00:16:04,120 --> 00:16:09,080 Speaker 2: part of the year. Okay, that is the dark, well 278 00:16:09,200 --> 00:16:13,600 Speaker 2: ventilated zone in which mold with a little bit of 279 00:16:13,640 --> 00:16:19,480 Speaker 2: moisture and then the humidity that the system has in it, 280 00:16:20,040 --> 00:16:23,080 Speaker 2: that is the invitation for the mold to start in 281 00:16:23,120 --> 00:16:25,840 Speaker 2: the first place, for fungus to grow in the first place. 282 00:16:25,880 --> 00:16:30,320 Speaker 2: So yeah, the UV is great. Definitely sterilize the system, 283 00:16:30,720 --> 00:16:35,400 Speaker 2: and I would consider whatever you can do to lower 284 00:16:35,720 --> 00:16:39,880 Speaker 2: the humidity. We want fifty or below fifty percent relative 285 00:16:39,960 --> 00:16:42,960 Speaker 2: humidity inside the house or below, and that may mean 286 00:16:43,080 --> 00:16:47,640 Speaker 2: adding a dehumidifier either to the house in general or 287 00:16:47,880 --> 00:16:53,480 Speaker 2: a dehumidifier into the HVAC furnace system, so that that's 288 00:16:53,520 --> 00:16:55,960 Speaker 2: part of it, to make sure that we keep that 289 00:16:56,080 --> 00:16:59,440 Speaker 2: humidity level low. So that would be the other thing 290 00:16:59,440 --> 00:17:02,240 Speaker 2: that I would to be investigate because this is the 291 00:17:02,240 --> 00:17:05,440 Speaker 2: most common thing that happens when we hear about this, 292 00:17:05,800 --> 00:17:09,000 Speaker 2: because we're living in a high humid environment and the 293 00:17:09,400 --> 00:17:12,920 Speaker 2: ducting and the plenum is the perfect place for you know, 294 00:17:13,320 --> 00:17:17,439 Speaker 2: molds and fungus to want to grow because of that 295 00:17:17,520 --> 00:17:20,600 Speaker 2: high humidity level. They just love it. So that's my 296 00:17:21,119 --> 00:17:23,080 Speaker 2: best advice to you, Mike. From that perspective. 297 00:17:24,040 --> 00:17:26,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a great idea. I didn't think about a 298 00:17:26,080 --> 00:17:29,800 Speaker 3: demidify system. So yeah, you look at at that too. 299 00:17:30,119 --> 00:17:32,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, so you've got the existing problem. But what I'm 300 00:17:32,760 --> 00:17:35,200 Speaker 2: interested in is like, Okay, what is the root cause? 301 00:17:35,480 --> 00:17:39,040 Speaker 2: Why is it happening to begin with? It's humidity, humidity 302 00:17:39,040 --> 00:17:41,719 Speaker 2: in the air. Knock that down and do take the 303 00:17:41,760 --> 00:17:44,320 Speaker 2: other steps. And uh, I'm thinking that you're going to 304 00:17:44,359 --> 00:17:46,960 Speaker 2: be right as reigin. Mike. Thank you for your call, buddy, 305 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:51,600 Speaker 2: Thanks for calling from Texas. Uh and uh, good luck 306 00:17:51,640 --> 00:17:53,480 Speaker 2: on getting that all handled. It's not gonna be hard, 307 00:17:53,600 --> 00:17:55,800 Speaker 2: not gonna be hard. You're gonna get your arms around 308 00:17:55,800 --> 00:17:57,760 Speaker 2: it real quick, all right, John, When we come back, 309 00:17:57,880 --> 00:18:00,480 Speaker 2: more of your calls Your home with Dean Show the 310 00:18:00,520 --> 00:18:01,240 Speaker 2: House Whisper. 311 00:18:01,840 --> 00:18:05,719 Speaker 1: You're listening to Bill Handle on demand from KFI AM 312 00:18:05,720 --> 00:18:06,560 Speaker 1: six forty. 313 00:18:08,200 --> 00:18:12,520 Speaker 2: Dean Sharp the House Whisper. Here to transform your ordinary 314 00:18:12,560 --> 00:18:16,280 Speaker 2: house into an extraordinary home. That's what I'm here. I'm 315 00:18:16,280 --> 00:18:19,480 Speaker 2: here to help. It is an all calls Saturday morning. 316 00:18:19,520 --> 00:18:22,240 Speaker 2: We got calls on the board and I want to 317 00:18:22,240 --> 00:18:27,200 Speaker 2: get back to them. Let's talk to Elliott. Hey Elliott, 318 00:18:27,280 --> 00:18:27,960 Speaker 2: welcome home. 319 00:18:30,200 --> 00:18:35,200 Speaker 5: Hey Dean, I've had a home here in your Belinda 320 00:18:35,200 --> 00:18:39,359 Speaker 5: about forty years, and we have copper pipes. So I'm 321 00:18:40,280 --> 00:18:41,200 Speaker 5: following up on. 322 00:18:41,119 --> 00:18:45,480 Speaker 6: Your copper pipe call. We have soft water system. It's 323 00:18:45,480 --> 00:18:51,639 Speaker 6: a salt soft water system for about thirty to forty years. 324 00:18:51,960 --> 00:18:58,040 Speaker 6: Will well, Will that allow copper pipes to last longer? 325 00:18:58,080 --> 00:18:59,560 Speaker 6: I've had no issues so far. 326 00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:09,200 Speaker 2: Uh, will allow? Well? Okay, So yeah, generally speaking, yes, 327 00:19:09,840 --> 00:19:12,840 Speaker 2: generally speaking yes, but it's a qualified yes. Okay. 328 00:19:13,119 --> 00:19:13,399 Speaker 5: Uh. 329 00:19:13,560 --> 00:19:18,040 Speaker 2: Here's here's the thing about water softeners and UH and 330 00:19:18,119 --> 00:19:25,439 Speaker 2: copper pipes. Generally speaking, uh, water softeners protect copper pipes 331 00:19:25,640 --> 00:19:29,800 Speaker 2: from hard water scale build up. Okay, they reduce the 332 00:19:29,840 --> 00:19:33,160 Speaker 2: scale that can build up in the pipes because the 333 00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:39,720 Speaker 2: water softeners using those salt ions to pull soft sticky 334 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:45,119 Speaker 2: minerals like calcium out of the water. And as a result, 335 00:19:45,480 --> 00:19:49,119 Speaker 2: those those are the soft sticky minerals, you know, the 336 00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:53,359 Speaker 2: calcium and magnesium are kind of the uh, the L 337 00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:58,399 Speaker 2: D L cholesterol of your of your house's water system. 338 00:19:58,440 --> 00:20:00,520 Speaker 2: They're the they're the ones that are gonna stick to 339 00:20:00,560 --> 00:20:04,280 Speaker 2: the sides of the arteries and cause plaque build up. Okay, 340 00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:08,200 Speaker 2: So a water a water softener is pulling that out 341 00:20:08,320 --> 00:20:12,000 Speaker 2: and so in that sense, a water softener, salt based 342 00:20:12,040 --> 00:20:17,800 Speaker 2: water softener, uh is protecting the pipes. However, Uh, there 343 00:20:17,880 --> 00:20:22,640 Speaker 2: is one risk associated with water softeners. It doesn't sound 344 00:20:22,680 --> 00:20:24,680 Speaker 2: like it's a situation you have, but I just want 345 00:20:24,720 --> 00:20:25,960 Speaker 2: to make it clear to everybody. 346 00:20:26,280 --> 00:20:26,639 Speaker 6: Uh. 347 00:20:26,800 --> 00:20:29,919 Speaker 2: Uh there's one risk, and that is it depends on 348 00:20:31,160 --> 00:20:34,760 Speaker 2: the the pH balance of your water. Okay. 349 00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:35,720 Speaker 4: Uh. 350 00:20:35,880 --> 00:20:38,359 Speaker 2: The pH balance of water is very important when it 351 00:20:38,359 --> 00:20:41,560 Speaker 2: comes to copper piping, okay. In other words, we need 352 00:20:41,600 --> 00:20:45,480 Speaker 2: it to be you know, neutral or or more alkaline 353 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:49,040 Speaker 2: uh in regards to the copper in order to preserve 354 00:20:49,119 --> 00:20:52,520 Speaker 2: the metal. Uh. If it goes if it leans toward 355 00:20:52,680 --> 00:20:56,560 Speaker 2: like less than seven pH. I know that's sciencey talk, 356 00:20:56,680 --> 00:21:01,600 Speaker 2: but the the the water has an acidic quality to it, okay, 357 00:21:02,080 --> 00:21:07,720 Speaker 2: and the acids in the water can cause pinhole leaks 358 00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:11,760 Speaker 2: and corrosion on the inside of copper lines. Now, I 359 00:21:11,800 --> 00:21:13,719 Speaker 2: want to make it really clear. I am not saying 360 00:21:13,760 --> 00:21:19,040 Speaker 2: that a salt water softener makes water acidic. What I'm 361 00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:23,840 Speaker 2: saying is that if you have if your water coming 362 00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:27,720 Speaker 2: into your house has a low pH in that level, 363 00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:32,680 Speaker 2: like if it leans toward acid, then ideally the last 364 00:21:32,680 --> 00:21:35,240 Speaker 2: thing you want to do is pull the calcium out 365 00:21:35,240 --> 00:21:38,479 Speaker 2: because let me let me put it in human body terms. 366 00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:42,040 Speaker 2: When you've got an upset acidic stomach, what do you take? 367 00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:45,080 Speaker 2: You take some you pop some tums and guess what 368 00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:51,440 Speaker 2: The main ingredient of toums is calcium. Calcium is what 369 00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:56,920 Speaker 2: corrects acid level. It counteracts acidity. So if your water 370 00:21:57,040 --> 00:22:00,760 Speaker 2: leans toward acidic and you pull the calcium out of 371 00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:04,879 Speaker 2: the water, you are removing the protection factor in the 372 00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:08,520 Speaker 2: water and actually causing the water to uh, you know, 373 00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:12,280 Speaker 2: to potentially corrode the inside of your copper pipes. But 374 00:22:12,920 --> 00:22:16,040 Speaker 2: that's that's just in the case where your own home 375 00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:20,840 Speaker 2: water is uh, you know, biased toward acidic levels. And 376 00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:23,760 Speaker 2: so the thing to do if there's any question whatsoever, 377 00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:27,280 Speaker 2: is test your water. And you can order water test 378 00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:30,760 Speaker 2: kits really inexpensively. You order them online. There's like one 379 00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:33,040 Speaker 2: hundred of them on Amazon. There are places where you 380 00:22:33,080 --> 00:22:35,520 Speaker 2: can test your water, send it in, or you can 381 00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:38,159 Speaker 2: get the test you kind of like pool uh you know, 382 00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:41,480 Speaker 2: water tests, but much more extensive and find the pH 383 00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:43,800 Speaker 2: And you don't want to test the water before it 384 00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:47,080 Speaker 2: goes through the softening. You want to test the water after, 385 00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:49,879 Speaker 2: you know, post softening. So right out of the you know, 386 00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:53,560 Speaker 2: faucet in the house, to find out whether the pH 387 00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:57,080 Speaker 2: is neutral or leaning toward alkalin or leaning toward acidic. 388 00:22:57,119 --> 00:23:00,000 Speaker 2: If it's leaning toward acidic, that's a concern. If it's neutral, 389 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:04,360 Speaker 2: troller alkalin not an issue. And the salt water softener 390 00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:08,280 Speaker 2: is is only doing the job of keeping scale build 391 00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:10,840 Speaker 2: up from forming on the pipes, and you should be good. 392 00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:13,960 Speaker 2: But that's kind of the full picture. So again, I'm 393 00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:18,160 Speaker 2: not saying water softeners acidify water, but they do remove 394 00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:23,120 Speaker 2: the component that keeps acidic water under control, and that's 395 00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:24,960 Speaker 2: the only area of concern. Does that make sense? 396 00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:33,159 Speaker 6: Makes sense? Does see system safe for the plex one 397 00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:34,399 Speaker 6: that you mentioned? 398 00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:37,560 Speaker 2: Yeah? Pex A Yeah, peck. Again, this is an area 399 00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:41,359 Speaker 2: where where you know, pex kind of shines out, you know, 400 00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:45,399 Speaker 2: because yes, you know pex pex can handle a full 401 00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:52,560 Speaker 2: spectrum of water pH much much better than copper does. 402 00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:56,719 Speaker 2: In general, it does not react to the water the 403 00:23:56,720 --> 00:24:00,919 Speaker 2: way that a metal reacts to minerals in water, because 404 00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:03,960 Speaker 2: it's it's of a completely different nature. So that would 405 00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:07,639 Speaker 2: be another argument in the direction of pecks from copper. 406 00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:13,479 Speaker 5: Okay, yeah, I really appreciate it. That answers my question 407 00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:14,920 Speaker 5: Thank you all right. 408 00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:17,760 Speaker 2: My friend, Thanks Elliott for the call, buddy, when we 409 00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:21,280 Speaker 2: come back, more of your calls your home with Dean Sharp, 410 00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:24,879 Speaker 2: the house Whisper. Dean Sharp, the house Whisper here to 411 00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:29,000 Speaker 2: remind you every home deserves great design, especially yours. Why 412 00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:32,040 Speaker 2: because you live there, my friend, and I want that 413 00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:36,399 Speaker 2: for you. Remember, when it comes to the alteration and 414 00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:42,719 Speaker 2: the improvement of your home, design matters most. Take it 415 00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:46,080 Speaker 2: from me. I am a builder and a designer. And 416 00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:51,720 Speaker 2: you know, the home improvement industry, it's interesting, six hundred 417 00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:55,080 Speaker 2: billion dollar industry as of this year here in the 418 00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:59,359 Speaker 2: United States. Six hundred billion dollars. That's a lot of 419 00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:02,600 Speaker 2: money being spent on home improvement stuff. And yet as 420 00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:06,760 Speaker 2: I look around, after all of this expense, I see, 421 00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:11,760 Speaker 2: generally speaking, homes not really improving all that much. Now. 422 00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:15,600 Speaker 2: You know, we're fixing leaks and we're repairing roofs and 423 00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:19,840 Speaker 2: things like that. Sure, but the overall impact of a home, 424 00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:22,960 Speaker 2: the overall you know, the what I talk about here 425 00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:27,679 Speaker 2: every week, the transformation of an ordinary home into something extraordinary, Yeah, 426 00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:31,160 Speaker 2: not so much. And why is that? It's because design 427 00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:34,840 Speaker 2: is the first thing and the most important thing to 428 00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:38,640 Speaker 2: work through before you just go grab the new product 429 00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:41,000 Speaker 2: or the new material, or change out the thing to 430 00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:43,880 Speaker 2: the thing. Design matters most, and I'm here to help 431 00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:46,399 Speaker 2: you with all of it, Okay, But I'm here to 432 00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:50,040 Speaker 2: tell you the truth always that when it comes to 433 00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:53,200 Speaker 2: your home, great design is what makes all the difference. 434 00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:58,080 Speaker 2: Think it through, get help, get creative, and then execute 435 00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:00,840 Speaker 2: it with the best materials that fit your budget. That's 436 00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:04,080 Speaker 2: how it works, or at least it's how it should work. 437 00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:06,160 Speaker 2: All right, let's go back to the phones. I want 438 00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:09,200 Speaker 2: to talk to Karen. Hey, Karen, welcome home. 439 00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:14,439 Speaker 4: Hi Dean, good morning. Thanks for the great program. 440 00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:18,000 Speaker 2: Oh thank you so much. Karen. Let me. I don't 441 00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:20,679 Speaker 2: want to put you on the spot, but for whatever reason, 442 00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:24,879 Speaker 2: I just I have to ask you. You sound like 443 00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:29,520 Speaker 2: a lovely individual. How do you feel I occasionally have 444 00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:32,040 Speaker 2: asked some Karen's in my life, how do you feel 445 00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:36,480 Speaker 2: about this thing that somehow your name, your first name, 446 00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:41,240 Speaker 2: has been associated with nasty, hard to get along with, bothers, 447 00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:42,000 Speaker 2: some women. 448 00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:49,240 Speaker 4: It's really mortifying, honestly, and yet I see it as 449 00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:55,760 Speaker 4: a challenge and an obligation to undo that the stain 450 00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:59,560 Speaker 4: on the name. Right, I need to be more gracious 451 00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:04,159 Speaker 4: and love and undo that personally. So that's my personal challenge. 452 00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:06,320 Speaker 2: Well, I'm glad to hear you say that. I mean, 453 00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:08,840 Speaker 2: I just because I just think I think that's just 454 00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:11,200 Speaker 2: a raw deal, you know, I mean, it's just it's 455 00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:15,120 Speaker 2: like it just uh kind of annoys. Yeah, that has 456 00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:20,119 Speaker 2: become a thing because I know, I know zero uh 457 00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:23,600 Speaker 2: not nice. Karen's in my life and so that's that's 458 00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:28,879 Speaker 2: the thing. It's just us, all right. So anyway, you 459 00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:30,359 Speaker 2: sound lovely. How can I help? 460 00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:37,880 Speaker 4: So we're remodeling some bathrooms this year, and in the 461 00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:41,119 Speaker 4: past we remodel a kitchen and I used an amazing 462 00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:47,160 Speaker 4: custom cabinet builder, and I'm trying to think if trying 463 00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:49,720 Speaker 4: to see if there's any alternative to going that same 464 00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:53,080 Speaker 4: route again. But what I'm finding is that there's so 465 00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:56,919 Speaker 4: much MDF out there. What's is there a way to 466 00:27:56,960 --> 00:28:03,679 Speaker 4: get like a beautiful result without going the customer route. 467 00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:09,120 Speaker 4: Any strategies or specific sources that you might have would 468 00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:11,320 Speaker 4: be really helpful. I'd appreciate that. 469 00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:15,240 Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, all right, So I'm going to answer this 470 00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:19,680 Speaker 2: in my typical longer answer than anybody was expecting fashion 471 00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:22,840 Speaker 2: because I want to give you the whole picture. There 472 00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:28,520 Speaker 2: are degrees of customality in cabinets, right, you can just 473 00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:32,480 Speaker 2: call a custom cabinet builder and they'll come out and 474 00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:36,320 Speaker 2: just give you anything you want. Okay. Short of that, though, 475 00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:38,800 Speaker 2: there are other forms, like let me talk about like, 476 00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:41,880 Speaker 2: for instance, the kitchen store. The kitchen store can do 477 00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:46,280 Speaker 2: ultra custom cabinets custom on every single level. Or they 478 00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:50,280 Speaker 2: also have several lines of cabinets that we would call 479 00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:53,960 Speaker 2: sort of factory custom cabinets. And what I mean by 480 00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:58,000 Speaker 2: that is that you can get them in multiple different 481 00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:02,960 Speaker 2: sizes and they're very very high quality plywood boxes, solid 482 00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:08,880 Speaker 2: wood doors, you know, dove tailed doors, drawers, soft clothes, 483 00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:13,120 Speaker 2: I mean, all the all the good stuff. But they 484 00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:17,520 Speaker 2: come in multiple sizes in one inch increments. Okay, So 485 00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:21,320 Speaker 2: that's not ultra custom, but it is. It is what 486 00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:24,760 Speaker 2: we call kind of factory customs. So if if the 487 00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:28,200 Speaker 2: vanity needs to be thirty one inches, no problem, thirty 488 00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:31,680 Speaker 2: two inches no problem, thirty three no problem. If we 489 00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:34,280 Speaker 2: need it for some reason to be thirty three and 490 00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:37,560 Speaker 2: a half, that's where, okay, we can't get that with 491 00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:41,920 Speaker 2: that kind of factory custom cabinet. Okay. That's the difference 492 00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:45,880 Speaker 2: between your ultra custom you know, cabinet manufact he doesn't care, 493 00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:48,960 Speaker 2: he measures out, He's just gonna make it fit. Otherwise, 494 00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:51,960 Speaker 2: we kind of work with the sizes that are available. 495 00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:56,440 Speaker 2: And some cabinet manufacturers make cabinets in two inch increments, 496 00:29:57,520 --> 00:30:01,240 Speaker 2: and so that's that's what I mean. There are gradations 497 00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:05,160 Speaker 2: of custom, especially when it comes to a pre built cabinet, 498 00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:08,240 Speaker 2: all the way to and here's a cabinet system that 499 00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:13,840 Speaker 2: I actually have come to really love and appreciate, RTA cabinets. 500 00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:18,760 Speaker 2: RTA stands for ready to assemble. Now, there are plenty 501 00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:22,840 Speaker 2: of junk RTA cabinets out there, but if you go 502 00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:26,200 Speaker 2: with a company like the RTA Store, which is an 503 00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:30,280 Speaker 2: online company, you will find that the RTA Store with 504 00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:35,120 Speaker 2: prices that are i mean easily a third less than 505 00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:41,160 Speaker 2: even factory custom cabinets. You find a RTA store solid 506 00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:50,640 Speaker 2: plywood boxes, dovetail drawers, soft closed hinges and glides and 507 00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:53,600 Speaker 2: and you know, solid wood doors, all of that at 508 00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:58,240 Speaker 2: significantly reduced pricing. But the sizing is going to be 509 00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:02,000 Speaker 2: locked into one or two increments, and so what you 510 00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:03,880 Speaker 2: need to do is kind of size up what you 511 00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:06,960 Speaker 2: need and how much flexibility you have in that situation, 512 00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:09,680 Speaker 2: and you can actually come away with a really really 513 00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:14,920 Speaker 2: good quality cabinet for shockingly less money than you would think. 514 00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:18,560 Speaker 2: And they come in paint grade and staying grade as well, 515 00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:21,880 Speaker 2: and so, and then let me say this one other thing, 516 00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:26,680 Speaker 2: so everybody understands when we talk about MDF, that's medium 517 00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:33,000 Speaker 2: density fiberboard. MDF has its place in a really good cabinet. 518 00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:37,719 Speaker 2: But let me specifically say where that is. MDF should 519 00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:42,720 Speaker 2: never be the material that the cabinet boxes or drawer 520 00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:46,680 Speaker 2: sides or anything that is structural about the cabinet should 521 00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:51,960 Speaker 2: be made out of. Never. Never, never. That's the cheap stuff. Okay, however, 522 00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:57,120 Speaker 2: plywood boxes, solid wood frames, all of that. If it's 523 00:31:57,160 --> 00:32:01,440 Speaker 2: a paint grade cabinet with a ray panel door in 524 00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:03,720 Speaker 2: other words, the raised panel, you know, the kind of 525 00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:07,880 Speaker 2: typical cabinet door with the panel in the center. If 526 00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:11,720 Speaker 2: it's paint grade, I want that middle panel. Now, I 527 00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:14,400 Speaker 2: want the outside of that cabinet door to be solid wood, 528 00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:18,560 Speaker 2: but I want that middle panel to be MDF. I 529 00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:20,680 Speaker 2: don't want the middle panel to be made out of 530 00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:26,600 Speaker 2: solid wood because solid wood panels, notoriously have you know, 531 00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:30,840 Speaker 2: over the years, can expand and contract and split because 532 00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:33,720 Speaker 2: of the wood grain there, and an MDF panel paints 533 00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:39,080 Speaker 2: beautifully and never ever, ever will crack or split. So 534 00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:43,160 Speaker 2: even the highest end of paint grade cabinets are going 535 00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:47,280 Speaker 2: to be painted should come, in my opinion, with an 536 00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:51,120 Speaker 2: MDF raised panel in the center. But that MDF, as you, 537 00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:54,479 Speaker 2: i'm sure are thinking, shouldn't be a part of any 538 00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:57,880 Speaker 2: other feature of that cabinet. We want plywoods and solid 539 00:32:57,880 --> 00:32:59,720 Speaker 2: woods everywhere else. Does that make sense? 540 00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:04,200 Speaker 4: Absolutely? Thanks so much for clarification. I appreciate that. 541 00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:08,080 Speaker 2: You're welcome, Karen, and thank you for being one of 542 00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:12,520 Speaker 2: the many great Karen's out there. All right, y'all, I 543 00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:14,120 Speaker 2: didn't mean to put her on the spot. It would just, 544 00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:18,840 Speaker 2: you know, cross my mind. It's all train of consciousness here. Hey, everybody, 545 00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:22,840 Speaker 2: great show today, so many great calls. 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