1 00:00:29,640 --> 00:00:32,720 Speaker 1: We're back. That's garden with Scott Berlin. I'm here with 2 00:00:32,720 --> 00:00:36,160 Speaker 1: Mark Wessell, my good friend, and we have another good 3 00:00:36,159 --> 00:00:39,320 Speaker 1: friend on the line, Bill Fountain. We're here to continue 4 00:00:39,360 --> 00:00:42,920 Speaker 1: our conversation about Rhodes salt and plant damage from last week. 5 00:00:43,840 --> 00:00:48,920 Speaker 1: Bill Fountain, Professor of Horticulture emeritus from the University University 6 00:00:48,920 --> 00:00:52,920 Speaker 1: of Kentucky. He taught half Mark you know this, half 7 00:00:52,960 --> 00:00:55,440 Speaker 1: the great horticulturists in the Ohio Valley I think, and 8 00:00:56,080 --> 00:00:59,160 Speaker 1: and some that even escaped to other parts of the country. 9 00:00:59,840 --> 00:01:02,280 Speaker 1: He's retired from all that, but still teaches the best 10 00:01:02,280 --> 00:01:05,320 Speaker 1: of the best at the International Society of Our Borer Culture, 11 00:01:05,640 --> 00:01:10,160 Speaker 1: teaching perhaps the trickiest part of our Borer culture tree 12 00:01:10,319 --> 00:01:12,920 Speaker 1: risk assessment, big responsibility. 13 00:01:12,959 --> 00:01:13,240 Speaker 2: There. 14 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:15,480 Speaker 1: He knows it all, and we brought him back to 15 00:01:15,480 --> 00:01:18,480 Speaker 1: continue our discussion on what road salt does to plants 16 00:01:18,480 --> 00:01:19,840 Speaker 1: and what we can do about it. Bill. 17 00:01:20,240 --> 00:01:23,920 Speaker 3: Good morning, Good morning, Scott. How are you doing. 18 00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:27,840 Speaker 1: Oh it's early. I think I'm alive, feeling okay, I 19 00:01:27,880 --> 00:01:28,720 Speaker 1: guess how about you? 20 00:01:29,400 --> 00:01:33,360 Speaker 3: Good good. I'm trying to stay warm. We've had another 21 00:01:33,440 --> 00:01:36,880 Speaker 3: coal snap. Fortunately we didn't get any snow and ice 22 00:01:37,600 --> 00:01:41,679 Speaker 3: here in Lexington, but that's one of the problems and 23 00:01:41,720 --> 00:01:44,720 Speaker 3: we've had this winter is with snow and ice and 24 00:01:44,920 --> 00:01:46,119 Speaker 3: what to do with it. 25 00:01:46,319 --> 00:01:50,040 Speaker 1: Right right now. Last week we spoke and I'm sorry 26 00:01:50,120 --> 00:01:53,680 Speaker 1: I didn't give you enough time. We just barely started 27 00:01:53,680 --> 00:01:56,480 Speaker 1: to scratch the surface. But we kind of determined that 28 00:01:56,800 --> 00:02:01,040 Speaker 1: salt raises soil pH two very high levels, which limits 29 00:02:01,080 --> 00:02:04,920 Speaker 1: the magnesium and iron for plants, maybe some other nutrients 30 00:02:04,960 --> 00:02:08,840 Speaker 1: as well. That causes chlerosis and other issues with the plants. 31 00:02:09,400 --> 00:02:12,440 Speaker 1: And I think where we kind of ended it up 32 00:02:12,560 --> 00:02:16,119 Speaker 1: was the best mitigation. The best you can do along roadsides, 33 00:02:16,520 --> 00:02:20,800 Speaker 1: at least as far as soil, is to try to 34 00:02:20,840 --> 00:02:24,200 Speaker 1: add as much organic matter as possible. Am I wrapping 35 00:02:24,200 --> 00:02:25,839 Speaker 1: that up about right? 36 00:02:26,560 --> 00:02:33,560 Speaker 3: Yes? One the slight correction it is manganesee than magnesium. 37 00:02:34,400 --> 00:02:39,280 Speaker 3: Magnesium is another essential element for plants, but manganese and 38 00:02:39,320 --> 00:02:42,000 Speaker 3: the iron of the two of them that are so 39 00:02:42,200 --> 00:02:46,120 Speaker 3: essential for the production of chlorophyll that and they get 40 00:02:46,240 --> 00:02:50,079 Speaker 3: locked up when the pH gets high. With the high 41 00:02:50,160 --> 00:02:54,799 Speaker 3: thh the manganese and the iron joined with phosphors, which 42 00:02:54,840 --> 00:02:58,919 Speaker 3: is readily available in our soils, and it solidus pies 43 00:02:59,040 --> 00:03:03,200 Speaker 3: into a solid material that the plant cannot take up. 44 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:08,680 Speaker 1: Yeah. So you know, one thing I've noticed is that 45 00:03:08,880 --> 00:03:11,440 Speaker 1: roadside weeds are different than any other weeds in the world. 46 00:03:11,440 --> 00:03:14,400 Speaker 1: And I think that's in part because you can tolerate 47 00:03:14,919 --> 00:03:17,600 Speaker 1: high pH high salt. But we'll get back around to 48 00:03:17,639 --> 00:03:21,119 Speaker 1: that in a minute. You know, one of the things 49 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:23,680 Speaker 1: I've always heard is that part of the issue with 50 00:03:23,720 --> 00:03:27,600 Speaker 1: salt is it dehydrates the plants, particularly the roots. Is 51 00:03:28,160 --> 00:03:29,119 Speaker 1: there any truth to that? 52 00:03:30,800 --> 00:03:34,519 Speaker 3: Yes, yes, there is. Any Body that is ever reached 53 00:03:34,520 --> 00:03:37,840 Speaker 3: for the salt shaker on the kitchen table and turned 54 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:41,760 Speaker 3: it upside down to shake some salt out onto the 55 00:03:41,760 --> 00:03:46,160 Speaker 3: plants and then nothing comes out has discovered that the 56 00:03:46,280 --> 00:03:50,240 Speaker 3: hydroscopic nature of salt and the salt actually has the 57 00:03:50,280 --> 00:03:54,640 Speaker 3: ability to pull moisture out of the air. Now, if 58 00:03:54,680 --> 00:03:57,120 Speaker 3: you get the salt in the soil, it can do 59 00:03:57,200 --> 00:04:00,240 Speaker 3: the same thing, and actually instead of pulling it out 60 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:03,200 Speaker 3: of the air, it pulls it out of the root 61 00:04:03,280 --> 00:04:07,120 Speaker 3: system of the plant. And so those road side weeds 62 00:04:07,120 --> 00:04:10,520 Speaker 3: that you were referring to actually have the ability to 63 00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:13,200 Speaker 3: tolerate a lot of that. They're a little more drought 64 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:17,440 Speaker 3: tolerant and they have a strong pull for the moisture. 65 00:04:17,720 --> 00:04:22,160 Speaker 3: So they're a good competitor. And now also we talk 66 00:04:22,240 --> 00:04:25,400 Speaker 3: about weeds as being a plant out of place. They 67 00:04:25,480 --> 00:04:28,760 Speaker 3: grow on the road side because they are tolerant for salt, 68 00:04:29,040 --> 00:04:32,600 Speaker 3: they're tolerant for drought, they're tolerant of the compacted soils 69 00:04:33,279 --> 00:04:35,960 Speaker 3: and unfortunately aren't very pretty sometimes. 70 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:40,599 Speaker 1: Is this drawing of moisture away? Is this what's happening 71 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:44,440 Speaker 1: when you see the conifers junipers along the roads that 72 00:04:44,960 --> 00:04:47,720 Speaker 1: are turning brown? Is it because the salt's pulling moisture 73 00:04:47,720 --> 00:04:48,440 Speaker 1: out of the leaves? 74 00:04:50,400 --> 00:04:54,000 Speaker 3: Yees. The salt does two different things depending on how 75 00:04:54,040 --> 00:04:57,800 Speaker 3: it gets to the plant. If it lands on the soil, 76 00:04:57,920 --> 00:05:00,720 Speaker 3: it can change the pH and you know, can cause 77 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:05,000 Speaker 3: problems there. But is the salt gets into a spray, 78 00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:08,479 Speaker 3: it'll drift over and land on the leaves and it 79 00:05:08,560 --> 00:05:12,560 Speaker 3: pulls the moisture out of the foliage. Now, when you 80 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:15,880 Speaker 3: think about where you're trying to grow pliants and where 81 00:05:15,880 --> 00:05:21,039 Speaker 3: you're perhaps living, is very very important. The speed of 82 00:05:21,080 --> 00:05:24,200 Speaker 3: the traffic. We put salt down on the roads to 83 00:05:24,320 --> 00:05:28,159 Speaker 3: melt the salt, melt the ice and melt the snow 84 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:32,279 Speaker 3: so that we don't go sliding around and hitting of 85 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:34,839 Speaker 3: the cars and other objects that are not going to 86 00:05:34,839 --> 00:05:38,080 Speaker 3: get out of the way. But when we have a 87 00:05:38,200 --> 00:05:42,679 Speaker 3: high speed on the highways or people are driving faster 88 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:46,320 Speaker 3: and all of the salt is worked on the snow 89 00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:50,160 Speaker 3: and ice, then we get particle size. The faster the 90 00:05:50,200 --> 00:05:53,760 Speaker 3: speed of the traffic, the smaller the particle size of 91 00:05:53,839 --> 00:05:58,719 Speaker 3: the droplet of moisture, And the smaller the particle size 92 00:05:58,800 --> 00:06:02,000 Speaker 3: of that little droplet of oyster, the father it's going 93 00:06:02,040 --> 00:06:05,159 Speaker 3: to drift and get onto the foliage. 94 00:06:05,400 --> 00:06:07,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I've seen a lot of that on the 95 00:06:07,880 --> 00:06:11,719 Speaker 1: higher speed roads. That makes a lot of sense. Does 96 00:06:12,760 --> 00:06:16,320 Speaker 1: does roadside salt the spray? Does it do damage to 97 00:06:16,520 --> 00:06:20,360 Speaker 1: deciduous plants that are not in leaf yet? But you know, 98 00:06:20,440 --> 00:06:23,600 Speaker 1: by getting on the stems and on the twigs and 99 00:06:23,600 --> 00:06:27,040 Speaker 1: so forth, does that get into the plant cause any damage? 100 00:06:28,520 --> 00:06:32,600 Speaker 3: Most definitely. So it can get not only affective evergreens, 101 00:06:32,640 --> 00:06:36,760 Speaker 3: the needle pliants, needled evergreens and the broader leaf evergreens, 102 00:06:36,920 --> 00:06:39,520 Speaker 3: but it can get in through the stone of those 103 00:06:39,560 --> 00:06:45,000 Speaker 3: small openings on the stems of the deciduous plants, and 104 00:06:45,040 --> 00:06:48,200 Speaker 3: it'll get in there. And sodium can be toxic. Sodium 105 00:06:48,240 --> 00:06:51,000 Speaker 3: is not one of the essential elements that we have 106 00:06:51,520 --> 00:06:53,839 Speaker 3: that we need in order to grow plants. 107 00:06:54,480 --> 00:06:56,599 Speaker 1: There's not a lot we can do about cities using 108 00:06:56,680 --> 00:06:58,719 Speaker 1: road salt. They just simply need to use it when 109 00:06:58,720 --> 00:07:02,000 Speaker 1: they can use it. But at home, are there products 110 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:04,640 Speaker 1: that we can use that are less harmful to plants? 111 00:07:06,320 --> 00:07:09,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, So anything that you put down on the sidewalk 112 00:07:09,680 --> 00:07:13,440 Speaker 3: is going to drift off when it's in the solution 113 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:16,360 Speaker 3: of the melted snow and ice. It's going to drift 114 00:07:16,360 --> 00:07:19,040 Speaker 3: off and get into our flower beds, into our lawns 115 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:23,680 Speaker 3: and landscapes, and so it can cause problems. If we 116 00:07:23,800 --> 00:07:29,040 Speaker 3: use something like calcium chloride, for instance, the calcium is 117 00:07:29,080 --> 00:07:33,560 Speaker 3: not going to be as problematic as the sodium will 118 00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:37,760 Speaker 3: be in sodium chloride. Sodium chloride, reminder, is just the 119 00:07:38,280 --> 00:07:42,120 Speaker 3: table salt or the de icing salt, and it's used 120 00:07:42,440 --> 00:07:46,240 Speaker 3: frequently because it is cheap and we're all interested in 121 00:07:46,320 --> 00:07:51,280 Speaker 3: saving money. Unfortunately, the sodium chloride causes a lot of problems. 122 00:07:52,120 --> 00:07:53,760 Speaker 3: After the ice is all melted. 123 00:07:54,400 --> 00:07:58,800 Speaker 1: Now it's calcium chloride problem free, or if you use 124 00:07:58,920 --> 00:08:02,640 Speaker 1: enough of it, is that going to harm your plants? 125 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:06,119 Speaker 3: It can also harm the planets is not problem free, 126 00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:12,560 Speaker 3: is less problematic. So adding organic matter you mentioned adding 127 00:08:12,800 --> 00:08:16,040 Speaker 3: lots of organic matter. At the beginning of our discussion. 128 00:08:17,200 --> 00:08:19,480 Speaker 3: Organic matter is sort of like a lot of the 129 00:08:19,520 --> 00:08:23,320 Speaker 3: foods that we eat. Some chocolate is one of my favorites. 130 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:26,280 Speaker 3: Some is good, but if you eat too much of it, 131 00:08:26,520 --> 00:08:29,000 Speaker 3: you're going to get sick. If some is good, more 132 00:08:29,160 --> 00:08:32,520 Speaker 3: is not necessarily better. So we need to watch how 133 00:08:32,600 --> 00:08:36,439 Speaker 3: much organic matter we actually put into the soil. If 134 00:08:36,480 --> 00:08:39,280 Speaker 3: you put too much in there when we do get 135 00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:45,080 Speaker 3: into these real long, wet, rainy periods, it can become anaerobic. 136 00:08:45,600 --> 00:08:48,439 Speaker 3: And when you do that and you start digging down 137 00:08:48,559 --> 00:08:52,439 Speaker 3: into the soil, you'll get some off odors. You can 138 00:08:52,480 --> 00:08:56,559 Speaker 3: always tell when somebody is a real soil lover because 139 00:08:56,600 --> 00:08:59,079 Speaker 3: when they take a soil sample, the first thing they 140 00:08:59,120 --> 00:09:01,200 Speaker 3: do is they put it up to their nose and 141 00:09:01,400 --> 00:09:04,600 Speaker 3: sniff it. And if they pull it away and go 142 00:09:04,760 --> 00:09:07,800 Speaker 3: ooh boy, oh wow, that's the thing. 143 00:09:08,160 --> 00:09:10,400 Speaker 1: See, I always thought those people were weirdos, but they're 144 00:09:10,400 --> 00:09:11,640 Speaker 1: actually soil lovers. 145 00:09:12,920 --> 00:09:15,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I guess you're calling me calling me a weirdo, 146 00:09:16,360 --> 00:09:19,360 Speaker 3: because that's one of the first things that I always do. Uh, 147 00:09:19,800 --> 00:09:24,640 Speaker 3: if it smells like a rotten egg, that's hydrogen sulfide 148 00:09:24,960 --> 00:09:29,800 Speaker 3: and it's a very toxic material to the roots. And 149 00:09:29,920 --> 00:09:32,720 Speaker 3: there's some other materials that are produced in the the 150 00:09:32,920 --> 00:09:38,520 Speaker 3: anaerobic decomposition. Uh So, just as we will fermit certain 151 00:09:38,600 --> 00:09:43,720 Speaker 3: fruits to make alcoholic beverages, you can get alcohol produced 152 00:09:43,800 --> 00:09:48,079 Speaker 3: in the soil very very low concentrations, but it's toxic 153 00:09:48,160 --> 00:09:52,280 Speaker 3: to pliants. You can get not only the hydrogen sulfide, 154 00:09:52,440 --> 00:09:55,600 Speaker 3: but you can get some cap tans. There's another class 155 00:09:55,640 --> 00:09:59,920 Speaker 3: of chemicals that everybody is familiar with them mercaptan general 156 00:10:00,640 --> 00:10:03,880 Speaker 3: that are out roaming around on the roads at this 157 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:08,520 Speaker 3: time of year. These are called skunks. Silk older is 158 00:10:08,559 --> 00:10:14,080 Speaker 3: a mercat tan, and so it's not only offensive to us, 159 00:10:14,120 --> 00:10:18,520 Speaker 3: but it's deadly to play and it's produced by bacteria 160 00:10:19,720 --> 00:10:23,239 Speaker 3: as well as a defensive chemical for the skunks. 161 00:10:23,360 --> 00:10:26,240 Speaker 1: So before we go to break and we'll come back, 162 00:10:26,280 --> 00:10:30,000 Speaker 1: we'll talk about plants that can tolerate salt. Does we 163 00:10:30,080 --> 00:10:32,120 Speaker 1: heard a lot about bee juice a few years ago? 164 00:10:32,280 --> 00:10:33,800 Speaker 1: Is that is that a good product? 165 00:10:35,360 --> 00:10:40,440 Speaker 3: Bee juice is a sugary material, and sugar breaks down 166 00:10:41,040 --> 00:10:44,160 Speaker 3: very rapidly in the soil, and so it's not going 167 00:10:44,200 --> 00:10:48,640 Speaker 3: to cause the problems of either calcium chloride or particularly 168 00:10:48,679 --> 00:10:53,000 Speaker 3: sodium chloride table salt, but bee juice is a good 169 00:10:53,080 --> 00:10:57,959 Speaker 3: material and is a little less toxic. It doesn't work 170 00:10:58,040 --> 00:11:01,839 Speaker 3: quite as well as sodium, but it causes a lot 171 00:11:01,920 --> 00:11:02,920 Speaker 3: less problems. 172 00:11:03,280 --> 00:11:05,280 Speaker 1: Okay, Well, when we come back, like I said, we'll 173 00:11:05,280 --> 00:11:09,960 Speaker 1: talk about some plants that can deal with this. And uh, well, 174 00:11:10,160 --> 00:11:12,360 Speaker 1: you're listening to Let's Garden with Scott Berline. We'll be 175 00:11:12,400 --> 00:11:20,720 Speaker 1: back in just a couple of minutes. 176 00:11:27,080 --> 00:11:30,120 Speaker 4: Hey, Gary Salvin here. 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But why are 215 00:14:07,040 --> 00:14:09,960 Speaker 1: some plants more tolerant to salt than others? 216 00:14:11,760 --> 00:14:14,720 Speaker 3: Well, I guess we have to look back in history 217 00:14:14,920 --> 00:14:17,920 Speaker 3: and it all has to do with evolution of those clients, 218 00:14:18,160 --> 00:14:21,960 Speaker 3: particularly where they came from. And so as we were 219 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:26,200 Speaker 3: talking in the last portion about the damage that salt 220 00:14:26,280 --> 00:14:31,800 Speaker 3: can occur, it occurs in by damaging the soil, getting 221 00:14:31,840 --> 00:14:36,080 Speaker 3: into the soil. It also can occur as damaging as 222 00:14:36,120 --> 00:14:40,040 Speaker 3: a salt spray and drifting in the wind and getting 223 00:14:40,080 --> 00:14:43,560 Speaker 3: onto the foliage and even the stems of dormant plants. 224 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:49,320 Speaker 3: So this is why we are borist, We horticulturists, nurshermen, 225 00:14:50,480 --> 00:14:54,440 Speaker 3: any of the landscapers, the county horticulture agents, all of 226 00:14:54,520 --> 00:14:59,000 Speaker 3: us say right tree or right plant? Put it in 227 00:14:59,080 --> 00:15:02,680 Speaker 3: the right place. In other words, match the plant to 228 00:15:02,800 --> 00:15:07,840 Speaker 3: the site. Don't try and change the site to match 229 00:15:07,920 --> 00:15:11,440 Speaker 3: the cultural conditions of the plant. So if you don't 230 00:15:11,480 --> 00:15:15,160 Speaker 3: know your plants, get in touch with your county horticulture agent, 231 00:15:16,320 --> 00:15:21,200 Speaker 3: one of your local nurturemen an arborists and have them 232 00:15:21,320 --> 00:15:24,600 Speaker 3: help you select the type of plant. Now, there are 233 00:15:24,600 --> 00:15:28,160 Speaker 3: a lot of different plants that are out there that 234 00:15:28,360 --> 00:15:31,680 Speaker 3: are salt tolerant. And if you look at where these 235 00:15:31,680 --> 00:15:36,560 Speaker 3: plants evolved, either on the ocean shore, the shore of 236 00:15:36,640 --> 00:15:39,080 Speaker 3: the ocean or very close to the ocean, or in 237 00:15:39,120 --> 00:15:43,240 Speaker 3: a desert, these are plants that are going to be 238 00:15:43,360 --> 00:15:47,880 Speaker 3: tolerant to salt. Also the plants that have very smooth 239 00:15:48,120 --> 00:15:51,280 Speaker 3: leaves on them, and we'll get to a couple of 240 00:15:51,280 --> 00:15:54,960 Speaker 3: these different examples. One of my favorite plants, and if 241 00:15:55,000 --> 00:15:58,200 Speaker 3: we can talk about plants for a while, is the bayberry. 242 00:15:58,720 --> 00:16:03,120 Speaker 3: I love it as the fragrant foliage and the fragrant 243 00:16:03,160 --> 00:16:07,000 Speaker 3: seeds and this is what they use to make bayberry candles, 244 00:16:07,040 --> 00:16:12,080 Speaker 3: which is a pleasing aroma to many people. So Marika m. 245 00:16:12,280 --> 00:16:17,400 Speaker 3: Y r I c A Merica, Pennsylvania named for the 246 00:16:17,400 --> 00:16:21,720 Speaker 3: state of Pennsylvania, is the bayberry and it is native 247 00:16:22,360 --> 00:16:25,520 Speaker 3: to areas close to the ocean. Is a beautiful plant. 248 00:16:25,760 --> 00:16:30,200 Speaker 3: It's a shrubby material shrubby plants, so it gets a 249 00:16:30,200 --> 00:16:33,640 Speaker 3: little bit of size on it. Another plant that I 250 00:16:33,840 --> 00:16:39,040 Speaker 3: like that's tolerant of the ocean salt spray is the 251 00:16:39,160 --> 00:16:43,320 Speaker 3: shore juniper name because it grows next to the ocean. 252 00:16:44,200 --> 00:16:48,640 Speaker 3: That and the other other types of junipers are generally 253 00:16:48,760 --> 00:16:52,920 Speaker 3: fairly used salt tolerant. The Eastern red cedar, which is 254 00:16:53,080 --> 00:16:57,640 Speaker 3: native to this whole region, the whole eastern United States, 255 00:16:58,360 --> 00:17:01,080 Speaker 3: is actually a type of junipers on a cedar at all. 256 00:17:01,200 --> 00:17:04,560 Speaker 3: It was just misnamed for the common name. And so 257 00:17:04,720 --> 00:17:07,280 Speaker 3: this is one of the planets that is good. Now, 258 00:17:07,720 --> 00:17:11,480 Speaker 3: if you don't like the looks of the native Eastern 259 00:17:11,560 --> 00:17:14,600 Speaker 3: ridg cedar, a lot of cultivars that have been selected 260 00:17:14,600 --> 00:17:19,560 Speaker 3: out that have a much more, much more attractive form 261 00:17:19,680 --> 00:17:24,720 Speaker 3: to it. So Regosa rose if you want something flowering, 262 00:17:25,040 --> 00:17:30,800 Speaker 3: Regosa rose is again native to the edge of the ocean. 263 00:17:29,200 --> 00:17:33,760 Speaker 1: And yep, I'm sorry I interrupted going. 264 00:17:33,680 --> 00:17:38,399 Speaker 3: Out, but it has a very fragrant flower on it, 265 00:17:38,480 --> 00:17:44,119 Speaker 3: and it's really nice and it's tough. Yupah holly is 266 00:17:44,560 --> 00:17:48,639 Speaker 3: marginally hearty for us but anyway, it's a it's another 267 00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:53,679 Speaker 3: good plant, and it has a really shiny, smooth foliage 268 00:17:53,680 --> 00:17:57,760 Speaker 3: on it, just like the southern magnolia. And so if 269 00:17:57,800 --> 00:18:01,800 Speaker 3: you have these planets in a someone protected area, then 270 00:18:01,840 --> 00:18:05,919 Speaker 3: the salt salt spray will not adhere to that some 271 00:18:06,040 --> 00:18:10,640 Speaker 3: very smooth, waxy foliage on there, and it will get 272 00:18:10,800 --> 00:18:14,840 Speaker 3: washed off before it can cause any real problems. Then 273 00:18:14,880 --> 00:18:18,359 Speaker 3: we've got a whole group of plants that we horticultures 274 00:18:18,760 --> 00:18:21,600 Speaker 3: like to call the bomb proof plants. And these are 275 00:18:21,640 --> 00:18:25,520 Speaker 3: the ones that are just notoriously tough and durable and 276 00:18:25,600 --> 00:18:29,520 Speaker 3: good urban trees. At the top of the pyramid on 277 00:18:29,640 --> 00:18:33,199 Speaker 3: these is the ginko. It's been around for some one 278 00:18:33,280 --> 00:18:38,000 Speaker 3: hundred and fifty million years and is very very tolerant. 279 00:18:38,280 --> 00:18:41,240 Speaker 3: You want to make sure that you select the male varieties, 280 00:18:41,960 --> 00:18:44,760 Speaker 3: so talk to your nursermen about that, But ginko is 281 00:18:44,880 --> 00:18:48,919 Speaker 3: very tough and durable. It's fairly salt tolerant. One of 282 00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:53,800 Speaker 3: my favorite deciduous trees is the Kentucky coffee tree. And 283 00:18:53,960 --> 00:18:56,200 Speaker 3: this is going to be again a tree that is 284 00:18:56,920 --> 00:19:01,040 Speaker 3: going to be tolerant to the alkalind soils. Pas soil 285 00:19:01,440 --> 00:19:05,679 Speaker 3: can be made more alkland or higher pH by salt. 286 00:19:06,800 --> 00:19:09,560 Speaker 3: And burroke is another one. If you've got enough room 287 00:19:09,600 --> 00:19:14,720 Speaker 3: to grow a burroke, it's a magnificent plant. Another nice 288 00:19:14,840 --> 00:19:20,520 Speaker 3: woody shrub and groundcover is the contoniaster. Again, it's got 289 00:19:20,520 --> 00:19:25,400 Speaker 3: a foliage the very waxy and very smooth, very dark 290 00:19:25,440 --> 00:19:29,879 Speaker 3: green color Mahonia holly, which is not really a holly, 291 00:19:31,240 --> 00:19:37,840 Speaker 3: but Mahonia is another good plant because it's large, evergreen foliage, 292 00:19:38,359 --> 00:19:41,560 Speaker 3: very dark green or bluish green, depending on the type 293 00:19:41,560 --> 00:19:45,520 Speaker 3: of mahonia that you get, but anyway, it's going to 294 00:19:45,520 --> 00:19:49,960 Speaker 3: be a really waxy foliage. And you may not like 295 00:19:50,080 --> 00:19:54,119 Speaker 3: all of them, but the sumacs are very, very taller 296 00:19:54,560 --> 00:19:58,760 Speaker 3: of salt. One of the sumacs that I really like 297 00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:04,359 Speaker 3: is the at sumac. It's known as the russ aromatica. 298 00:20:04,880 --> 00:20:09,320 Speaker 3: And there's a cultivar called Grollo that doesn't get any 299 00:20:09,480 --> 00:20:12,520 Speaker 3: taller than about knee high and is a billion very 300 00:20:12,680 --> 00:20:13,720 Speaker 3: nice it is. 301 00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:16,480 Speaker 1: We're gonna have to wrap it up there. You know, 302 00:20:16,520 --> 00:20:19,040 Speaker 1: if you're looking for salt tolerant plants, you can google 303 00:20:19,600 --> 00:20:24,720 Speaker 1: salt tolerance, look for PDF and ext suffixes to get 304 00:20:24,760 --> 00:20:27,240 Speaker 1: the good information. Bill. I want to thank you for 305 00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:31,040 Speaker 1: being here this week again, and when we come back, 306 00:20:31,119 --> 00:20:34,199 Speaker 1: we're gonna want your calls. Fifty mile an hour plants. 307 00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:37,680 Speaker 1: What are your favorite roadside plants? You're listening to Let's 308 00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:58,439 Speaker 1: guarden with Scott Berlin. We'll be back in a minute. 309 00:20:58,760 --> 00:21:02,080 Speaker 5: A flooded basement. You can destroy your home in minutes, flooring, 310 00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:05,320 Speaker 5: ruined walls, soap, thousands of dollars in damage and your 311 00:21:05,359 --> 00:21:08,440 Speaker 5: Some pumps the only thing standing between you in a disaster. 312 00:21:08,760 --> 00:21:11,800 Speaker 5: But when storms hit, power fails and pumps quit. You 313 00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:15,199 Speaker 5: need a backup. Zalor Backup. 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It could be anything from incredible 333 00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:48,800 Speaker 1: trees that you see, annuals, weeds, clumps of trees, any 334 00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:52,199 Speaker 1: of that and more whatever comes your way. Mark, what 335 00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:56,879 Speaker 1: are some of your your favorite roadside plants? 336 00:22:57,520 --> 00:23:00,320 Speaker 2: One through the winter and right now to the les 337 00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:03,240 Speaker 2: come out as the American sycamore, And in fact, Jenny Smith, 338 00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:06,880 Speaker 2: last week's host, she texted me and said, Hey, sycamore, 339 00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:11,120 Speaker 2: but beautiful striking plant. Great at a distance. Woodn't want 340 00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:12,119 Speaker 2: it in my yard. 341 00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:15,280 Speaker 1: Right, We had one in my yard as a kid. 342 00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:17,240 Speaker 1: It wasn't the worst, to be honest with you, but 343 00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:18,200 Speaker 1: it does drop a lot of. 344 00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:19,200 Speaker 2: It drops a lot of stuff. 345 00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:23,359 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think we take it for granted. Where we 346 00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:25,399 Speaker 1: get born here, we grow up here. We see it. 347 00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:30,000 Speaker 1: Whenever I see a beautiful sycamore, you know, in just 348 00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:32,920 Speaker 1: the right sunlight, like this time of year or all 349 00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:37,040 Speaker 1: winter along, I'm thinking, what how that must have appeared too, 350 00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:41,440 Speaker 1: you know the first people that settled and saw it, 351 00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:45,080 Speaker 1: you know, for the first time, large trees. They're walking 352 00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:48,200 Speaker 1: through the woods whatever and bam, there's a big sycamore. 353 00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:49,879 Speaker 1: It must have been super impressive. 354 00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:53,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, when they're coming across on their wagons. 355 00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:55,600 Speaker 1: And yep, just stumbled over the mountains. 356 00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:58,639 Speaker 2: Little river valley on the prairie and look in the 357 00:23:58,760 --> 00:23:59,919 Speaker 2: distance and there's. 358 00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:03,119 Speaker 1: A whole riverside full of them. And again it's it 359 00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:05,840 Speaker 1: does it is? It can grow anywhere, but it really 360 00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:07,639 Speaker 1: naturally occurs along streams. 361 00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:09,960 Speaker 2: It's funny. It is a tough planet that can grow anywhere, 362 00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:14,280 Speaker 2: but here you see it where moisture seeps and along streams. 363 00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:17,920 Speaker 1: Yeah. Always, Yeah, that's a favorite of mine. Of course, 364 00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:20,879 Speaker 1: the London plane tree is is a hybrid from that. 365 00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:24,840 Speaker 1: You see that along roadsides a lot, and many of 366 00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:28,639 Speaker 1: those have okay, similar but not quite as striking. 367 00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:30,160 Speaker 2: Not quite as white and bright. 368 00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:32,560 Speaker 1: There is a cultivar. A couple of them out there, 369 00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:35,199 Speaker 1: but the one that that I'm most familiar with is 370 00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:38,240 Speaker 1: sutt and Rye, which is a London plane, so it 371 00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:40,480 Speaker 1: has a little bit of hybrid vigor and does well 372 00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:45,800 Speaker 1: and roadsides where sycamores might not be as good, which 373 00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:49,720 Speaker 1: has barked. It is as white as, if not even 374 00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:50,919 Speaker 1: whiter than sycamores. 375 00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:54,040 Speaker 2: It's like you whitewashed the trunk. It is very striking. 376 00:24:54,160 --> 00:25:00,640 Speaker 1: It very yeah, extremely striking, very smooth too. Of mine 377 00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:04,919 Speaker 1: was just mentioned by Bill as a salt tolerant plant. 378 00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:08,320 Speaker 1: Is are the roots or the sumacs in particular, I'm 379 00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:10,359 Speaker 1: thinking of the one that we see most I think 380 00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:16,360 Speaker 1: is a roostsa Fina or staghorned sumac. You know it's 381 00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:20,760 Speaker 1: it's a it's a suckering fool. You wouldn't want it 382 00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:22,639 Speaker 1: in your garden. A lot of people have learned that 383 00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:25,040 Speaker 1: the hard way by putting in tiger eyes in there, 384 00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:29,879 Speaker 1: which is a cultivar yellow leafed cultivar, and you know, 385 00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:33,160 Speaker 1: their precious little garden beds, that's not where it belongs. 386 00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:36,639 Speaker 1: You know, these belong in big beds where they can 387 00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:38,520 Speaker 1: just ramble and be themselves, or. 388 00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:41,560 Speaker 2: A bed that has you know, restricted restriction like a 389 00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:43,760 Speaker 2: traffic island or you know, a parking lot bed. 390 00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:46,840 Speaker 1: Thanks for bringing that up, because I've argued for years 391 00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:49,320 Speaker 1: and years that we've you know, continually put a red 392 00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:52,399 Speaker 1: maple in a parking lot island bed and replaced it 393 00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:55,920 Speaker 1: every seven years because it doesn't belong there, and because 394 00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:58,280 Speaker 1: trucks run over it, solid it gets on it, all 395 00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:01,480 Speaker 1: kinds of abuse. And yet you know, if we just 396 00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:03,880 Speaker 1: put sumax in there, they would sucker through the whole 397 00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:08,240 Speaker 1: whole bed. Yeah, you could run over them, and truckers 398 00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:11,080 Speaker 1: do the back wheels, roll over those things. They just 399 00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:14,320 Speaker 1: sucker back in. And it's a beautiful plant. You know, 400 00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:17,639 Speaker 1: it has kind of a coarse, odd winter interest, but 401 00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:22,360 Speaker 1: it's beautiful. It's cool. But the fall color, the foliage 402 00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:25,879 Speaker 1: all year is really good. Then the fall color is spectacular. 403 00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:29,639 Speaker 2: Yeah. I have to drive to western Michigan from Cincinnati 404 00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:32,480 Speaker 2: about once a month, and in the fall they seem 405 00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:36,280 Speaker 2: to the sumax just really colonize along the roads in 406 00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:40,040 Speaker 2: Michigan and northern Ohio and it just just gorgeous to 407 00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:42,840 Speaker 2: see a colony with a bright red foliage. 408 00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:47,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's is a beautiful site. And uh, you know 409 00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:49,960 Speaker 1: I don't know why that hasn't translated from what everybody 410 00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:53,679 Speaker 1: sees driving around along the road to like putting in 411 00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:57,080 Speaker 1: a traffic island bed or in a parking lot pad. 412 00:26:57,280 --> 00:26:59,840 Speaker 1: And uh, you know, I guess the argument is, well, 413 00:26:59,880 --> 00:27:03,040 Speaker 1: we put those trees in because we want shade in 414 00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:05,840 Speaker 1: the parking lots. But if they never live more than 415 00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:09,080 Speaker 1: seven years, you're not getting shade anyway. So why not 416 00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:13,919 Speaker 1: put in a sumc that'll live maybe forever? Uh what 417 00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:16,680 Speaker 1: do you think of sumac gets twenty feet high? Maybe? 418 00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:19,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, maximum twenty In a parking lot bed, it would 419 00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:20,720 Speaker 2: probably be shorter. 420 00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:23,879 Speaker 1: Yeah. The flowers are weird, but cool, kind of cool. 421 00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:26,520 Speaker 1: You know. I think you can make a drink out 422 00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:26,880 Speaker 1: of them. 423 00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:32,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, they have a zatar or sumac. It's a tart 424 00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:36,440 Speaker 2: like it was a souring agent. Okay, but yeah, you 425 00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:39,000 Speaker 2: can make like a lemonade type of thing. It in 426 00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:40,040 Speaker 2: Middle Eastern cooking. 427 00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:42,800 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, is it ain't good? Have you tried it? 428 00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:43,200 Speaker 3: Yeah? 429 00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:47,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a trendy ingredient right now. Yeah, I've used it. 430 00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:50,359 Speaker 2: It's you know, in part, because you're trendy, you're as 431 00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:52,679 Speaker 2: trend as you get. I start the trend Scott. 432 00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:56,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, uh yeah. Again, we're looking for your ideas on 433 00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:58,800 Speaker 1: this too. What are your favorite fifty mile hour plants 434 00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:01,840 Speaker 1: or roadside plants? Call us at eight hundred eight three 435 00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:07,520 Speaker 1: eighty two fifty five. I'm thinking right now of some 436 00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:10,440 Speaker 1: annual displays we've had at the since a botanical garden 437 00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:14,280 Speaker 1: and zoo right on Vine Street, which is probably a 438 00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:16,720 Speaker 1: thirty five mile on our zone, but people treat it 439 00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:21,639 Speaker 1: like it's a freeway. We had on the corner of 440 00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:28,639 Speaker 1: two streets a planting of redhead colius number of years ago, 441 00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:32,600 Speaker 1: and that you could see from space. I'm almost sure 442 00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:37,120 Speaker 1: of it. It caught your eye the minute it came 443 00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:40,840 Speaker 1: into view, and it was just absolutely stunning. This is 444 00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:45,840 Speaker 1: a colius, you know, obviously with a very bright red foliage, 445 00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:50,280 Speaker 1: stayed red all year carefree, I mean, really didn't require 446 00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:53,280 Speaker 1: much even in full sun, where some of these coliases 447 00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:58,160 Speaker 1: now can take full sun. And it just went a 448 00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:02,680 Speaker 1: great way to treat every truck driver, every school bus driver, 449 00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:06,160 Speaker 1: every mom and dad driving down the road coming to 450 00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:10,800 Speaker 1: the zoo. Treat them to some real color, just hopefully 451 00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:11,960 Speaker 1: bright in their day a little bit. 452 00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:16,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's good. You're you're trying to brighten everybody's day, Scott. 453 00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:20,000 Speaker 1: That's all. That's what it's all about, right, Yeah. 454 00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:23,360 Speaker 2: One plant, good food. Yeah yeah. One plant that's striking 455 00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:27,520 Speaker 2: right now in the Cincinnati area, which isn't my favorite 456 00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:33,640 Speaker 2: plant is that lesser Celandine poppy. It's really a buttercup. 457 00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:39,600 Speaker 6: Yeahculus prrea, change the name, I know again, but so 458 00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:44,120 Speaker 6: it has these just lustrous green leaves low to the 459 00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:48,560 Speaker 6: ground and these bright they're really cheerful, bright yellow flowers. 460 00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:49,640 Speaker 1: Such a stunning plant. 461 00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:52,120 Speaker 2: One of the worst invasives in our area. 462 00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:57,080 Speaker 1: It truly is. It is carpeted whole bank sides on 463 00:29:57,120 --> 00:30:00,800 Speaker 1: the Little Miami River. It gets into everybody's lun and 464 00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:03,000 Speaker 1: then from there, you know, into any garden bed. If 465 00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:06,480 Speaker 1: you're not on top of that, it takes over and 466 00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:08,719 Speaker 1: I don't even know how you get out from end 467 00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:08,920 Speaker 1: of that. 468 00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:11,320 Speaker 2: I don't know if you realize this. It's a dangerous plant, 469 00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:14,440 Speaker 2: because I've used to wangerous and uh, you know, I 470 00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:16,960 Speaker 2: used to do find your gardening for people on their 471 00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:19,880 Speaker 2: estates and well you tried, yeah, yeah, yeah, until the 472 00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:22,440 Speaker 2: you know, I had to move on out of that industry, 473 00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:24,840 Speaker 2: and I'd be working on a lot of hills, and 474 00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:28,600 Speaker 2: when that stuff starts to go dormant, Uh, it gets 475 00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:32,680 Speaker 2: the slimy texture really, and you could just I've fell 476 00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:34,400 Speaker 2: many times slipping on that. 477 00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:37,360 Speaker 1: I can imagine that along the river where it really 478 00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:41,800 Speaker 1: is a non stop carpet for maybe a mile of 479 00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:44,160 Speaker 1: the whole bank side there. 480 00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:47,479 Speaker 2: The river valleys nowadays are just yeah with it. 481 00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:51,040 Speaker 1: And I'm sure it's just snuffing out all the ephemerals 482 00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:52,400 Speaker 1: and natives that would be in there. 483 00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:52,840 Speaker 2: Yeah. 484 00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:54,720 Speaker 1: I don't know how they could even get through, It'll 485 00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:57,680 Speaker 1: be honest with you. Yeah, And they say it's it's 486 00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:01,040 Speaker 1: spread by two ways, the seed, but also it has 487 00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:04,480 Speaker 1: little bubbles that get caught on deer's feet. 488 00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:07,320 Speaker 2: Right, and the little roots, I mean, and they just roll. 489 00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:10,400 Speaker 2: It just rolls downhill or it flows with the water water. 490 00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:13,360 Speaker 1: Bad news plant, but a stunner to look at from 491 00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:16,000 Speaker 1: the roadside. If you didn't know anything about it, you 492 00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:18,440 Speaker 1: would think that is one spectacular plant. 493 00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:21,640 Speaker 2: That's one thing where it ignorance is bliss, because truly, 494 00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:24,200 Speaker 2: sometimes you can enjoy things when you don't know. 495 00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:27,360 Speaker 1: There's so much truth to that, so much truth to that. 496 00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:31,040 Speaker 1: When I was learning guitar, and you know, I learned 497 00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:34,520 Speaker 1: just the most basic of chords, and then you'll find 498 00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:37,400 Speaker 1: out some of your all time favorite songs were just 499 00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:40,080 Speaker 1: three of the most basic chords, and you're like, is 500 00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:42,440 Speaker 1: that all all it was? You know, it kind of 501 00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:45,240 Speaker 1: lets you down, So ignorance is bliss. Although you know, 502 00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:48,640 Speaker 1: looking back now, what you can do with three chords 503 00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:52,640 Speaker 1: if you're good, it's pretty amazing. You know. Another weed 504 00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:57,480 Speaker 1: on the roadsides I'm seeing a lot, especially in farmers fields, 505 00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:01,080 Speaker 1: is that dead nettle, you know, where you get a 506 00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:05,200 Speaker 1: purple haze of bloom and it's it's really cool. 507 00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:08,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, it has its three I mean, the bees love it. 508 00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:10,640 Speaker 2: It does form just a solid carpet and then you 509 00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:13,720 Speaker 2: get hen bit mixed in there. It's a little lighter pink. 510 00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:20,920 Speaker 2: Same family, the mint family. Our friend Carol Reese, she 511 00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:25,120 Speaker 2: termed it hillbilly lavenders. Okay, yeah, it's the no till 512 00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:28,800 Speaker 2: farming practices have really promoted. 513 00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:31,800 Speaker 1: Well they say it it's you know, it's an annual weed. 514 00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:34,320 Speaker 1: And what I read is that it's not really harmful 515 00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:37,040 Speaker 1: to crop production. They it just gets tilled in or 516 00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:41,320 Speaker 1: spray spray and uh, and it doesn't really have any 517 00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:45,200 Speaker 1: effect on the crops. In fact, they said, it might 518 00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:47,360 Speaker 1: even kind of serves as a cover crop. 519 00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:48,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it really does. 520 00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:52,960 Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, okay, you know we are hoping for your 521 00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:55,320 Speaker 1: calls to talk about some favorite plants that you see 522 00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:58,720 Speaker 1: along roadsides. Well, we're gonna go ahead and take a break. 523 00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:00,560 Speaker 1: Mark you ready for a coffee. 524 00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:00,880 Speaker 2: I'm ready? 525 00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:04,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, me too. When we come back, give us a call. 526 00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:06,920 Speaker 1: Eight hundred eighty two three eighty two fifty five. You're 527 00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:09,840 Speaker 1: listening to Let's Guarden with Scott Burlin. 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The one step 548 00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:38,960 Speaker 5: application available at Home Depot walmartin Myers. 549 00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:43,640 Speaker 1: You're listening to Let's Garden with Scott Berline. I'm here 550 00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:48,480 Speaker 1: with Mark Wessel. We're talking about impactful, let's say, impactful 551 00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:51,920 Speaker 1: plants along roadsides that get your attention, not only this 552 00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:53,719 Speaker 1: time of year, but really any time of year. We 553 00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:57,759 Speaker 1: were talking just a minute ago about lamium or dead 554 00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:01,040 Speaker 1: nettle that's in all the farm fields, creating that sort 555 00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:04,640 Speaker 1: of purple haze that looks so good. I wanted to 556 00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:07,040 Speaker 1: ask you because you're a farm boy basically, but you 557 00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:09,200 Speaker 1: know you're driving along freeways a lot of times you're 558 00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:13,399 Speaker 1: seeing big fields of corn or soybeans, and then intermittently 559 00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:16,040 Speaker 1: in them you'll see either a small cops of trees, 560 00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:20,399 Speaker 1: but more often just one big tree just out there 561 00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:23,280 Speaker 1: by itself. A lot of times they look like oaks. 562 00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:27,160 Speaker 1: Probably are oaks, you know, those are a They're really 563 00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:28,959 Speaker 1: cool to see when you're on the freeway, these big, 564 00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:32,200 Speaker 1: magnificent old trees. But I always wonder why they're there. 565 00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:37,560 Speaker 2: Well, you know, they used to leave little wood lots 566 00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:42,240 Speaker 2: and fence rows back in earlier days of our agriculture history, 567 00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:46,120 Speaker 2: and now they're just plowing up as much as possible 568 00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:49,520 Speaker 2: and getting rid of all those. But it's it is 569 00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:54,120 Speaker 2: quite something, especially you know, as you travel north once again, 570 00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:57,880 Speaker 2: as I go to Michigan, you see these big burro 571 00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:01,160 Speaker 2: oaks or even groves of them. And burroke's kind of 572 00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:04,319 Speaker 2: a coarse tree and its youth, but man, when it 573 00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:11,320 Speaker 2: grows up, it's a beauty. And those big old egcorns. 574 00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:12,319 Speaker 1: So there's no practical reason for him anymore. In fact, 575 00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:15,760 Speaker 1: they're they're costing probably the farmer money, but they're probably 576 00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:20,040 Speaker 1: there simply for you know, what's the word I'm looking for? 577 00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:23,400 Speaker 2: Just esthetics. 578 00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:27,680 Speaker 1: Aesthetics, but no more like nostalgia, a nostalgia or you know, 579 00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:30,680 Speaker 1: just the love of the tree, just wanting to keep that. 580 00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:32,960 Speaker 2: Maybe you get off your combine and sit under the 581 00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:33,680 Speaker 2: oak tree for. 582 00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:37,920 Speaker 1: Sure, wind a beer. Yeah, that's a good reason. That 583 00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:41,200 Speaker 1: is a good reason. Wait, you can operate a combine 584 00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:42,040 Speaker 1: with I. 585 00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:43,960 Speaker 2: Think these new combines operate themselves. 586 00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:46,479 Speaker 1: So you just ride along. It's all the beer you want, 587 00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:50,400 Speaker 1: just do it. What else you got? What other favorite 588 00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:52,239 Speaker 1: plants have you been looking at? 589 00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:56,400 Speaker 2: Favorite plants along the freeways, Along the freeways. Well, another 590 00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:59,680 Speaker 2: weedy thing is the cola repairs. Right now, you can't, 591 00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:01,560 Speaker 2: you can't right up there. 592 00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:06,880 Speaker 1: With lesser celing. But gross, they're so beautiful. 593 00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:09,000 Speaker 2: It's they're very nice and bright and white. 594 00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:11,960 Speaker 1: If you didn't know any better, you didn't know what 595 00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:16,600 Speaker 1: the damage they were doing. The bloom is spectacular. I 596 00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:20,640 Speaker 1: don't ever smell the fragrance, but people say that's quite bad. 597 00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:22,960 Speaker 1: I don't know why I don't smell it. I smell 598 00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:23,560 Speaker 1: everything else. 599 00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:26,000 Speaker 2: But yeah, it's not pleasant. It's not as bad as 600 00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:28,359 Speaker 2: a hawthorn. Oh, okay, it's kind of that. I don't 601 00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:29,320 Speaker 2: smell those either. 602 00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:29,640 Speaker 3: For she. 603 00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:35,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, brackish water smell. 604 00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:38,359 Speaker 1: I'm glad I don't smell it. Then yeah, and then 605 00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:41,239 Speaker 1: the fall color is great too. But again, don't plant them. 606 00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:43,600 Speaker 1: They're not I mean, the cat's out of the bag. 607 00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:47,680 Speaker 1: But there's no reason to plant another one. If you 608 00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:50,560 Speaker 1: like them great, you can see them everywhere you go. 609 00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:53,040 Speaker 1: You don't need another one in the ground. Plant something else. 610 00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:57,359 Speaker 2: There are some of these gorilla gardeners, gorilla grafters that 611 00:37:57,440 --> 00:38:01,120 Speaker 2: are grafting regular pair varieties onto them. 612 00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:03,279 Speaker 1: I saw a reel on that on Facebook the other 613 00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:06,640 Speaker 1: day and I just thought it. You know, I've gotten 614 00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:08,480 Speaker 1: cynical in my old age, but I just thought that 615 00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:10,840 Speaker 1: was the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen, you know, 616 00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:15,200 Speaker 1: grafting a tiny little regular pair on a little spare twig, 617 00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:19,400 Speaker 1: on a on a calorie pair. The chances of it 618 00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:24,240 Speaker 1: successfully grafting, you know, and producing, becoming a big branch 619 00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:26,640 Speaker 1: and producing seems rather small to me. 620 00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:30,840 Speaker 2: Well, it depends on your technique and what branch you're selecting, 621 00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:32,640 Speaker 2: and you probably have to do so. You have to 622 00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:34,120 Speaker 2: definitely do some follow. 623 00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:36,920 Speaker 1: Up, right, which means it's probably on your property or 624 00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:39,919 Speaker 1: some small property you can have access to, so your 625 00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:43,719 Speaker 1: effect is minimal. Overall. I thought you might get a 626 00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:44,399 Speaker 1: couple of good come. 627 00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:46,319 Speaker 2: I guess you're not going to be a leader in 628 00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:46,880 Speaker 2: this movement. 629 00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:48,000 Speaker 1: Maybe not. 630 00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:52,400 Speaker 2: I do have this desire. In the little village I 631 00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:56,000 Speaker 2: live in of Madeira, Ohio, the beautiful little bit, they 632 00:38:56,040 --> 00:39:00,760 Speaker 2: have calorie pairs along the avenue there, and I threatened 633 00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:04,120 Speaker 2: a bud I some pears onto that, but I assume 634 00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:06,719 Speaker 2: there'll be history. They're doing a redo there. 635 00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:09,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, a lot of communities are actually taking out their 636 00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:13,920 Speaker 1: pairs and replacing them with other things to you know. 637 00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:17,560 Speaker 1: Some people push back on that because they're big, beautiful trees. 638 00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:21,759 Speaker 1: Other people are saying, yeah, but there's plenty of other 639 00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:24,200 Speaker 1: good trees that will become nice and big in time. 640 00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:26,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, there's plenty of good planet good trees. 641 00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:28,399 Speaker 1: And yeah, again, no reason to plant them. 642 00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:30,200 Speaker 2: You can't buy it? Can you buy them in Ohio? 643 00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:30,600 Speaker 3: Ah? 644 00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:35,719 Speaker 1: No, no illegal here now? All right, I'm thinking them 645 00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:38,160 Speaker 1: right now about the Don Redwood at All Park. That's 646 00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:41,880 Speaker 1: a park here in Cincinnati. I think you've seen it 647 00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:45,239 Speaker 1: where you come around the bend, uh, you know, with 648 00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:47,719 Speaker 1: a lot of forests on both sides, and then all 649 00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:49,319 Speaker 1: of a sudden, there it is right in front of you, 650 00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:52,480 Speaker 1: with that perfect, perfect candle flame shape. 651 00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:53,879 Speaker 2: They're pretty spectacular. 652 00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:57,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, nice big tall one right there. It's just off center. 653 00:39:57,719 --> 00:40:00,360 Speaker 1: I wish they had moved it planeted at like twenty 654 00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:03,080 Speaker 1: feet to the left, because then it would be square 655 00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:04,400 Speaker 1: in front of you as you approach. 656 00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:06,040 Speaker 2: But maybe they can change the road. 657 00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:10,160 Speaker 1: It'd be easier to do that than to move the tree right. 658 00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:14,279 Speaker 1: But I love those Don redwoods. They are such beautiful trees, 659 00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:17,440 Speaker 1: a lot like a bald cypress, and that they're decidonio 660 00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:20,120 Speaker 1: is kind of for good fall color, you know. 661 00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:23,200 Speaker 2: Can you tell it a quick glance the difference between 662 00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:23,720 Speaker 2: the two. 663 00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:26,239 Speaker 1: You know, I always think I can, and then I 664 00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:30,880 Speaker 1: get it wrong. They say that that Don redwood you 665 00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:34,799 Speaker 1: can tell because they have armpits, so in the where 666 00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:39,240 Speaker 1: the branches go off, there's a little divot under the branch. 667 00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:43,680 Speaker 1: That Paul Capiella told me that one, and I think 668 00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:47,520 Speaker 1: that's reliable. I want to test it a little bit more. 669 00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:52,360 Speaker 1: But yeah, speaking of don Or, bald cypresses are just 670 00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:54,920 Speaker 1: stunners any time of year, including now when they're not 671 00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:58,040 Speaker 1: even in folioge yet. Yeah, a bald cypress. 672 00:40:58,520 --> 00:41:01,000 Speaker 2: They have these catkins on them, don't they or something that? 673 00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:06,400 Speaker 1: Yes? And then yeah, and then become little round cones 674 00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:08,919 Speaker 1: that look like satellites or something like that. 675 00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:11,560 Speaker 2: Yeah. Two interesting plants too. 676 00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:15,719 Speaker 1: Yeah, and they look so similar and they're not really 677 00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:20,080 Speaker 1: even closely related to Uh, that's interesting, I think. 678 00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:22,600 Speaker 2: And you don't want to put plant them in your 679 00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:27,120 Speaker 2: wet lawn, uh the bald cypress, because then you end 680 00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:30,000 Speaker 2: up with knees popping up and cursing. 681 00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:33,960 Speaker 1: Of course, the alternative to that is just, uh, you know, 682 00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:37,040 Speaker 1: let the lawn die out and enjoy the knees because 683 00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:37,919 Speaker 1: they are pretty cool. 684 00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:40,080 Speaker 2: Just plant all yeah, bald cypress. 685 00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:43,080 Speaker 1: Still plant them along your ball fields or your playgrounds 686 00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:47,040 Speaker 1: where you really need lawn to be uninterrupted. You could 687 00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:51,000 Speaker 1: have children very serious, seriously injured by these knees popping 688 00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:51,920 Speaker 1: up in the middle. 689 00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:54,760 Speaker 2: Of So there's probably kids that grew up in cypress 690 00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:56,640 Speaker 2: grobes that. 691 00:41:55,920 --> 00:42:00,040 Speaker 1: That you have like an innate, almost instinctive ability to 692 00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:02,800 Speaker 1: avoid the knees of they're playing soccer, right, Yeah, that 693 00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:04,680 Speaker 1: would be worth looking into. That would be kind of 694 00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:09,840 Speaker 1: nice to find out, you know that the subspecies of 695 00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:14,480 Speaker 1: humans that evolved around knees know how to just in 696 00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:19,040 Speaker 1: general just know where the knees are, like gradar sixth 697 00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:22,440 Speaker 1: cents Yeah, sounds like we have a minute left before 698 00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:25,920 Speaker 1: our break Kinko's right now, and thinking that right now, 699 00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:29,000 Speaker 1: they're pretty coarse. You can tell them a mile away. 700 00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:30,680 Speaker 1: The bark is actually kind of cool right now, it's 701 00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:35,200 Speaker 1: kind of a blonde, bleachy color. But man, when they 702 00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:38,080 Speaker 1: drop all well, when they get their fall foliage in 703 00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:40,560 Speaker 1: the fall, fall foliage in the fall, it's just the 704 00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:43,320 Speaker 1: stunning gold and it all drops the one day and 705 00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:44,560 Speaker 1: just carpets the ground. 706 00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:47,040 Speaker 2: It's an amazing site experience. 707 00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:49,879 Speaker 1: Yeah, and lasts for about you know, if you leave 708 00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:53,080 Speaker 1: them on the ground unraked, about three or three weeks 709 00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:56,440 Speaker 1: or so of really cool color that way. So when 710 00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:59,320 Speaker 1: we come back, Mark, we're going to have Maryann Wilburn 711 00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:04,080 Speaker 1: join us off her podcast or blogger Nemesis. She's always 712 00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:06,480 Speaker 1: a lot of fun. You're listening to Let's Garden with 713 00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:08,800 Speaker 1: Scott Berline. We'll be back in a moment.