1 00:00:00,400 --> 00:00:05,520 Speaker 1: As night Side with Dan Ray on WBS Costin's new Radio. 2 00:00:06,160 --> 00:00:10,160 Speaker 2: Those pesky Yankees came back three run home run by 3 00:00:10,960 --> 00:00:13,800 Speaker 2: Aaron Judge tied that game up. They were down six 4 00:00:13,840 --> 00:00:16,479 Speaker 2: to one, So we'll keep an we'll keep an eye 5 00:00:16,520 --> 00:00:19,160 Speaker 2: on that for sure. Between me and Dan Watkins, one 6 00:00:19,160 --> 00:00:20,079 Speaker 2: of us will have it for you. 7 00:00:21,040 --> 00:00:22,960 Speaker 3: Well, this is a sad day. 8 00:00:23,640 --> 00:00:27,640 Speaker 2: It is the second anniversary of the Hamas attack on 9 00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:31,880 Speaker 2: innocent Israeli men, women and children starting out at the 10 00:00:32,760 --> 00:00:37,320 Speaker 2: music festival on that Saturday morning two years ago. And 11 00:00:38,040 --> 00:00:42,239 Speaker 2: there have been well so many ups and downs in 12 00:00:42,280 --> 00:00:43,800 Speaker 2: the last two years. 13 00:00:43,840 --> 00:00:47,000 Speaker 3: It's difficult to count them all. 14 00:00:47,720 --> 00:00:51,240 Speaker 2: But we have had on as a guest on several occasions, 15 00:00:51,520 --> 00:00:55,920 Speaker 2: both before this but also following it. Attorney Jeff Robbins 16 00:00:56,280 --> 00:00:59,200 Speaker 2: a former executive director at the end of Defamation League 17 00:00:59,200 --> 00:01:02,640 Speaker 2: here in New England. He worked in the Clinton administration. 18 00:01:02,800 --> 00:01:07,600 Speaker 2: He worked as an assistant US attorney. He is just 19 00:01:07,640 --> 00:01:12,920 Speaker 2: a wonderful background as an attorney. He also feels very 20 00:01:12,959 --> 00:01:16,520 Speaker 2: deeply about what's going on in the Middle East, and 21 00:01:16,560 --> 00:01:22,360 Speaker 2: so we could not let this sad anniversary pass go unnoticed. 22 00:01:22,520 --> 00:01:26,360 Speaker 2: The I guess, Jeff, the only thing we can look 23 00:01:26,400 --> 00:01:30,679 Speaker 2: for tonight is that in Egypt today there were some 24 00:01:30,720 --> 00:01:38,240 Speaker 2: more negotiations with the US in Egypt and Cutter trying 25 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:41,600 Speaker 2: to work out some sort of a deal that will 26 00:01:41,720 --> 00:01:46,760 Speaker 2: satisfy Jimas and satisfy Israel. Seems to me like there's 27 00:01:46,800 --> 00:01:52,560 Speaker 2: still quite a gulf here between both sides. How optimistic 28 00:01:52,920 --> 00:01:57,320 Speaker 2: are you tonight that this might You know, we can't 29 00:01:57,760 --> 00:02:00,680 Speaker 2: change the horror, the horror of two years ago and 30 00:02:00,960 --> 00:02:04,480 Speaker 2: everything that the hostages have undergone. Some of them were 31 00:02:04,560 --> 00:02:08,800 Speaker 2: killed in captivity, others are still in captivity. Is there 32 00:02:08,880 --> 00:02:12,960 Speaker 2: any optimism that you see tonight? The deadline that President 33 00:02:12,960 --> 00:02:16,480 Speaker 2: Trumpet imposed on Jumas was Sunday night, two nights ago. 34 00:02:17,960 --> 00:02:18,720 Speaker 3: I'm a little. 35 00:02:18,520 --> 00:02:22,840 Speaker 2: Confused as to where we're going here. What's your sense 36 00:02:22,880 --> 00:02:25,880 Speaker 2: of it? You follow it very closely well. 37 00:02:25,960 --> 00:02:27,960 Speaker 4: Dan, First of all, thank you for having me on 38 00:02:28,040 --> 00:02:33,800 Speaker 4: to thank you for marking this very sad occasion, brutal occasion, really, 39 00:02:34,680 --> 00:02:38,359 Speaker 4: the brutality of the slaughter of thirteen hundred or so 40 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:43,800 Speaker 4: all told Israelis by three to five thousand Hamas gunmen 41 00:02:43,840 --> 00:02:47,680 Speaker 4: that invaded on October seventh for the purpose of slaughtering 42 00:02:47,720 --> 00:02:50,920 Speaker 4: as many Israelis as they possibly could there was a 43 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:54,080 Speaker 4: brutality to that, a savagery to that, and there's been 44 00:02:54,080 --> 00:02:57,720 Speaker 4: a brutality in the aftermath, as you saw, you have seen, 45 00:02:57,919 --> 00:03:04,000 Speaker 4: and we've talked about it. People celebrate, defend, justify, exult 46 00:03:04,960 --> 00:03:07,720 Speaker 4: in the slaughter. Who would have thought that, And of 47 00:03:07,720 --> 00:03:11,799 Speaker 4: course there's been a terrible brutality visited upon the people 48 00:03:11,840 --> 00:03:18,680 Speaker 4: of Gaza by Hamas regime that not only expected many 49 00:03:18,720 --> 00:03:21,960 Speaker 4: many to die, but hoped for many to die because 50 00:03:22,639 --> 00:03:26,040 Speaker 4: the more depths of the Palestinians they supposedly cared about, 51 00:03:26,280 --> 00:03:29,000 Speaker 4: the better off they were, and you have seen Hamas 52 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:35,640 Speaker 4: spokesman express explicit on that point. I'm wary. I'm hopeful, 53 00:03:35,720 --> 00:03:38,920 Speaker 4: but I'm wary about what's happening in Egypt. There's all 54 00:03:38,960 --> 00:03:41,760 Speaker 4: sorts of good signs, and I have to say that 55 00:03:43,040 --> 00:03:46,360 Speaker 4: as a Democrat and somebody who has very strong feelings, 56 00:03:46,400 --> 00:03:49,640 Speaker 4: not positive ones, about the Trump administration and the president himself, 57 00:03:50,040 --> 00:03:52,920 Speaker 4: I think you have to give credit where credit is due. 58 00:03:52,640 --> 00:03:55,720 Speaker 4: He and his team deserve a lot of credit for 59 00:03:55,840 --> 00:03:58,240 Speaker 4: getting it to the point where at least you can 60 00:03:59,360 --> 00:04:02,120 Speaker 4: imagine that there might be a resolution. But I also 61 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:05,800 Speaker 4: think that the dirty little fact is, the sad fact 62 00:04:05,920 --> 00:04:09,200 Speaker 4: is that Hamas could have done this if in fact 63 00:04:09,280 --> 00:04:12,840 Speaker 4: it's going to do this two years ago or eighteen 64 00:04:12,880 --> 00:04:14,920 Speaker 4: months ago, or twelve months ago or six months ago. 65 00:04:15,280 --> 00:04:18,320 Speaker 4: And the only reason that they are where they are, 66 00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:20,880 Speaker 4: if they are where they where we hope they are, 67 00:04:21,440 --> 00:04:25,160 Speaker 4: is because of the military action taken by Israel, which 68 00:04:25,240 --> 00:04:28,120 Speaker 4: let's face it really didn't have much other choice. So 69 00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:32,279 Speaker 4: the bottom line is I'm hopeful, but I'm very very wary. 70 00:04:32,920 --> 00:04:36,279 Speaker 2: Well, I share in that hope, and I share also 71 00:04:36,560 --> 00:04:41,840 Speaker 2: in that that concern. Here's my question. Hamas all along 72 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:46,560 Speaker 2: has toyed and they their purpose is to survive. If 73 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:49,920 Speaker 2: they came to the point where they knew that, if 74 00:04:50,040 --> 00:04:57,440 Speaker 2: these conversations ended, that at that point the idef you know, 75 00:04:57,560 --> 00:05:00,359 Speaker 2: at the direction of Prime Minister Nanya, who would be 76 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:03,600 Speaker 2: given a full, full green light to go in and 77 00:05:03,640 --> 00:05:05,960 Speaker 2: do what they have to do, which is to literally 78 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:10,040 Speaker 2: find as many of these Hamas terrorists as possible and 79 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:14,360 Speaker 2: eliminate them. That's the if they really think that's on 80 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:17,320 Speaker 2: the table, that's the only way that I think they 81 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:19,599 Speaker 2: might say, well, we'll agree as long as we have 82 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:22,479 Speaker 2: safe passage. Is that the key that's going to have 83 00:05:22,600 --> 00:05:24,800 Speaker 2: to happen here that we're going to have to watch 84 00:05:25,120 --> 00:05:29,640 Speaker 2: Hamas villainans leave Gaza with safe passage to somewhere. 85 00:05:29,680 --> 00:05:31,800 Speaker 3: I have no idea who would want to accept them 86 00:05:31,839 --> 00:05:32,599 Speaker 3: in the first place. 87 00:05:33,920 --> 00:05:36,719 Speaker 4: Well, I think all of the things that you've alluded 88 00:05:36,760 --> 00:05:40,400 Speaker 4: to and included in that question are correct, including the 89 00:05:40,480 --> 00:05:43,120 Speaker 4: fact that if in fact there is going to be 90 00:05:43,160 --> 00:05:49,200 Speaker 4: a deal, it is only because the alternative for Hamas 91 00:05:48,680 --> 00:05:55,360 Speaker 4: is elimination, and that this offers them a chance to survive, 92 00:05:56,040 --> 00:06:01,200 Speaker 4: to fight another day. I have some hesitation in believing 93 00:06:01,240 --> 00:06:06,120 Speaker 4: that there will ever be a disarmament by Hamas, and 94 00:06:06,240 --> 00:06:09,600 Speaker 4: I don't know how given how deeply embedded they are 95 00:06:10,279 --> 00:06:14,440 Speaker 4: unfortunately in Gaza. I don't know what a evacuation safe 96 00:06:14,480 --> 00:06:21,599 Speaker 4: passage scheme would look like, but I think that it's it. 97 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:25,520 Speaker 4: I think that net Yahoo is correct in this, that 98 00:06:25,560 --> 00:06:29,240 Speaker 4: it is only under pressure that we've gotten to this point, 99 00:06:29,279 --> 00:06:32,000 Speaker 4: and it is pressure, which whatever you think about net Yahoo, 100 00:06:32,120 --> 00:06:35,520 Speaker 4: and I know he's deeply unpopular among many people here 101 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:40,200 Speaker 4: and as well in the Israel, that the fundamental calculation 102 00:06:40,320 --> 00:06:43,760 Speaker 4: that there was no choice, there has been no choice 103 00:06:44,160 --> 00:06:47,640 Speaker 4: but to apply the military pressure. I don't think that's wrong. 104 00:06:48,240 --> 00:06:50,719 Speaker 2: By the way, my view, my personal view of net 105 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:54,320 Speaker 2: Yahoo is He's Israel's Churchill. 106 00:06:55,920 --> 00:06:59,600 Speaker 4: I do you know, I've got criticisms of net Yahoo, 107 00:06:59,760 --> 00:07:02,799 Speaker 4: but I do not. As I've said before, I'm damned 108 00:07:02,800 --> 00:07:07,440 Speaker 4: if I know what choice he had, Yeah, given October seventh, 109 00:07:07,720 --> 00:07:10,280 Speaker 4: but to pursue Hamas the way he has. I wish 110 00:07:10,560 --> 00:07:13,000 Speaker 4: that there had been some alternative. But I think there's 111 00:07:13,040 --> 00:07:14,240 Speaker 4: a lot of truth in what you say. 112 00:07:14,240 --> 00:07:17,120 Speaker 2: I really do, And I think, like Churchill, if and 113 00:07:17,160 --> 00:07:22,400 Speaker 2: when this is over the next election, Hamas rather Netna, 114 00:07:22,520 --> 00:07:26,080 Speaker 2: who either will not stand for reelection or he would 115 00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:29,240 Speaker 2: be defeated, I think. But that was the fate of 116 00:07:29,320 --> 00:07:34,240 Speaker 2: Churchill as well. But without without Churchill, most of us 117 00:07:34,320 --> 00:07:37,800 Speaker 2: might be speaking a German dialect these days, in my opinion, 118 00:07:37,840 --> 00:07:42,560 Speaker 2: if England had rolled over while we were sleeping. But 119 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:46,520 Speaker 2: we'll save that for another night, Jeff, Let's do this. 120 00:07:47,200 --> 00:07:51,760 Speaker 2: Let's invite people to call, and maybe people can focus 121 00:07:51,880 --> 00:07:55,400 Speaker 2: on the potential of a positive result here. I mean, 122 00:07:55,840 --> 00:07:59,320 Speaker 2: get Hamas out of there, don't allow them to take 123 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:03,080 Speaker 2: their weapons with them. I guess you could have some 124 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:08,040 Speaker 2: sort of a compromise where they could have their weapons 125 00:08:08,120 --> 00:08:12,800 Speaker 2: shipped separately to wherever they were going. 126 00:08:12,840 --> 00:08:14,560 Speaker 3: But I just. 127 00:08:17,280 --> 00:08:20,240 Speaker 2: One moment I think, Yeah, this is going to work, 128 00:08:20,280 --> 00:08:22,120 Speaker 2: and then another moment I think it's not going to work. 129 00:08:22,160 --> 00:08:24,720 Speaker 2: And if it's not going to work, let's get it 130 00:08:24,760 --> 00:08:29,640 Speaker 2: over with because enough people have suffered along hope. I 131 00:08:29,680 --> 00:08:32,720 Speaker 2: hope that this doesn't go on for weeks or for 132 00:08:32,800 --> 00:08:35,560 Speaker 2: that matter of months. I hope that if it becomes 133 00:08:35,600 --> 00:08:43,240 Speaker 2: apparent that they don't want to surrender, I think ya, 134 00:08:43,320 --> 00:08:45,520 Speaker 2: who has to be allowed to do what I think 135 00:08:45,559 --> 00:08:48,160 Speaker 2: he's willing to do and what the idea of forces 136 00:08:48,200 --> 00:08:50,800 Speaker 2: are willing to do. We'll see what people think. My 137 00:08:50,880 --> 00:08:54,800 Speaker 2: guest is Jeff Robbins. My opinions are my opinions. Jeff's 138 00:08:54,800 --> 00:08:59,320 Speaker 2: opinions are his, and some of those opinions we agree upon, 139 00:08:59,480 --> 00:09:01,880 Speaker 2: or we may in part whatever. 140 00:09:03,120 --> 00:09:05,880 Speaker 3: Uh. Either way, don't mix the opinions up. 141 00:09:06,520 --> 00:09:06,640 Speaker 5: Uh. 142 00:09:06,960 --> 00:09:08,520 Speaker 3: Generally, I think we're on. 143 00:09:08,520 --> 00:09:10,839 Speaker 2: The same side of most of the argument here, and 144 00:09:11,320 --> 00:09:13,880 Speaker 2: I trust most of you are as well. So if 145 00:09:13,920 --> 00:09:18,319 Speaker 2: you feel that somehow you want to engage in a conversation, 146 00:09:18,840 --> 00:09:21,960 Speaker 2: that's great. Six one, seven, two, five, four ten thirty 147 00:09:22,280 --> 00:09:25,679 Speaker 2: six one seven, nine, three one ten thirty. This is 148 00:09:25,760 --> 00:09:29,960 Speaker 2: not a pleasant topic to think about because it was 149 00:09:30,040 --> 00:09:35,360 Speaker 2: a horrific moment in time when israel guard was down 150 00:09:35,880 --> 00:09:41,120 Speaker 2: and civilians were butchered, literally butchered by him. As somehow, 151 00:09:41,320 --> 00:09:45,600 Speaker 2: some way Israel has survived. They have always survived, and 152 00:09:45,720 --> 00:09:51,040 Speaker 2: hopefully this can get resolved without any further bloodshed. But 153 00:09:51,640 --> 00:09:56,560 Speaker 2: I'm not convinced we are at that point yet. Six one, seven, two, five, 154 00:09:56,600 --> 00:09:58,719 Speaker 2: four ten thirty six one seven nine three one ten 155 00:09:58,800 --> 00:10:01,360 Speaker 2: thirty back with your phone call. As I've said before, 156 00:10:01,520 --> 00:10:04,760 Speaker 2: great topics. Jeff is a great guest. This is a 157 00:10:04,760 --> 00:10:07,680 Speaker 2: tough topic, but it's a great topic. Ad callers and 158 00:10:07,760 --> 00:10:09,120 Speaker 2: stir back on nights Side. 159 00:10:10,800 --> 00:10:15,480 Speaker 1: It's Night Side with Dan Ray Boston's news radio. 160 00:10:16,320 --> 00:10:18,880 Speaker 2: Jim from Texas, if you're listening, give us a call back. 161 00:10:18,920 --> 00:10:20,320 Speaker 2: You are going to be the first s up. I 162 00:10:20,360 --> 00:10:22,800 Speaker 2: don't think I've ever had you as a caller before. 163 00:10:22,880 --> 00:10:25,920 Speaker 2: Unfortunately we lost you all you dropped off. So give 164 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:27,480 Speaker 2: us a call back and we will get you on 165 00:10:27,600 --> 00:10:30,880 Speaker 2: six one, seven, two, five, four to ten thirty very quickly, Jeff, 166 00:10:30,920 --> 00:10:35,560 Speaker 2: if I can, in your opinion, In your opinion, how 167 00:10:35,720 --> 00:10:41,160 Speaker 2: long does the United States and does Israel allow these 168 00:10:41,200 --> 00:10:42,439 Speaker 2: negotiations to go on? 169 00:10:44,240 --> 00:10:45,360 Speaker 3: Is there an out time? 170 00:10:45,480 --> 00:10:47,680 Speaker 2: Do you think that they have that they have made 171 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:51,640 Speaker 2: is clear to the Hamas negotiators. 172 00:10:52,280 --> 00:10:55,520 Speaker 4: I think that the decision on that is going to 173 00:10:55,520 --> 00:10:59,040 Speaker 4: be made by President Trump, and that Israel is going 174 00:10:59,080 --> 00:11:02,360 Speaker 4: to have to buy by the decision made by President 175 00:11:02,360 --> 00:11:03,679 Speaker 4: Trump under the circumstances. 176 00:11:04,160 --> 00:11:07,000 Speaker 2: So if if if Trump says, look, they have until 177 00:11:07,080 --> 00:11:11,680 Speaker 2: you know, midnight Friday or whatever, that that then would 178 00:11:11,760 --> 00:11:16,240 Speaker 2: allow Prime Minister that now Yahoo to do what he 179 00:11:16,360 --> 00:11:21,440 Speaker 2: feels maybe necessary to do. So yeah, okay, And and 180 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:26,960 Speaker 2: just to handicap it here, if if the best solution 181 00:11:27,360 --> 00:11:31,679 Speaker 2: is Hamas lies out, lays down its arms, uh and 182 00:11:31,720 --> 00:11:34,640 Speaker 2: has given safe passage out of Gaza, which I know 183 00:11:34,840 --> 00:11:37,640 Speaker 2: is a big ask and is you know, is not. 184 00:11:39,559 --> 00:11:41,520 Speaker 3: For sure, what sort. 185 00:11:41,400 --> 00:11:45,000 Speaker 2: Of a h on a percentage chances would you give 186 00:11:45,040 --> 00:11:48,360 Speaker 2: that happening which would be the best resolution for everyone, 187 00:11:48,400 --> 00:11:51,679 Speaker 2: for the Gossen people, for the for the fighters from 188 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:54,880 Speaker 2: Hamas who are still alive, and for the idea of 189 00:11:54,960 --> 00:11:56,880 Speaker 2: what what do you think that that chance of that 190 00:11:57,040 --> 00:11:58,280 Speaker 2: is much much under. 191 00:11:59,120 --> 00:12:03,440 Speaker 4: Under ten percent. I don't see Hamas agreeing to disarm 192 00:12:03,559 --> 00:12:06,160 Speaker 4: or disarming, even if they say they're to disarm, and 193 00:12:06,200 --> 00:12:10,720 Speaker 4: I don't see them, you know, the those leaders that 194 00:12:10,760 --> 00:12:13,280 Speaker 4: are still that are on the ground in Gaza. Uh 195 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:14,160 Speaker 4: leaving Gaza. 196 00:12:14,720 --> 00:12:15,880 Speaker 3: Okay, Well that's. 197 00:12:16,160 --> 00:12:18,199 Speaker 2: I was afraid you would to say that, let's get 198 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:21,440 Speaker 2: a phone, let's go to phone calls. We we missed 199 00:12:21,480 --> 00:12:25,160 Speaker 2: a gym in Texas, but I do have Arnold in Milwaukee. Arnold, 200 00:12:25,160 --> 00:12:27,240 Speaker 2: Welcome to Night's Side. You're on with Jeff Robbins. 201 00:12:27,240 --> 00:12:31,640 Speaker 6: Go right ahead, ye Dan hi, Jeff, I appreciate you 202 00:12:31,640 --> 00:12:34,360 Speaker 6: having me on. I called in ale while Bet when 203 00:12:34,360 --> 00:12:38,720 Speaker 6: we were talking about the MTAs blaytant anti Semitism they're 204 00:12:38,720 --> 00:12:42,480 Speaker 6: handing out to teachers. I work in an organization called 205 00:12:42,559 --> 00:12:46,400 Speaker 6: Parents for Peace, where we coach families who have radicalized 206 00:12:46,440 --> 00:12:49,880 Speaker 6: loved ones regarding ways to get that person on a 207 00:12:49,920 --> 00:12:54,520 Speaker 6: better path. We also work directly with the radicalized individuals 208 00:12:55,280 --> 00:12:58,800 Speaker 6: to help them find a healthier way to live their life. 209 00:12:58,840 --> 00:13:02,240 Speaker 6: And I I'm by no means an expert on what's 210 00:13:02,240 --> 00:13:06,439 Speaker 6: happening on the ground in Israel and Gaza, but obviously 211 00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:11,480 Speaker 6: that situation is affecting everybody here in the States. And 212 00:13:11,640 --> 00:13:13,719 Speaker 6: the reason I'm covering is I just want to make 213 00:13:14,360 --> 00:13:20,080 Speaker 6: the statement that anti Semitism, first and foremost harms Jewish people, 214 00:13:20,160 --> 00:13:22,800 Speaker 6: and for that reason alone, all of us in civil 215 00:13:22,880 --> 00:13:27,040 Speaker 6: society need to organize against it and find a way 216 00:13:27,080 --> 00:13:30,280 Speaker 6: to counter it. But a lot of people don't understand 217 00:13:30,320 --> 00:13:34,000 Speaker 6: is that anti Semitism actually harms the anti Semites as well. 218 00:13:34,600 --> 00:13:38,720 Speaker 6: Our caseloaded parents for Peace involves all sorts of families 219 00:13:38,760 --> 00:13:42,800 Speaker 6: from all over North America, most of whom are not Jewish, 220 00:13:43,080 --> 00:13:47,079 Speaker 6: and most of whom have zero ties to Jewish people whatsoever. 221 00:13:47,559 --> 00:13:51,440 Speaker 6: But these families have been devastated by a loved one 222 00:13:51,600 --> 00:13:56,080 Speaker 6: falling under the influence of anti Semitic, hateful ideology. And 223 00:13:56,160 --> 00:14:00,600 Speaker 6: it's important to understand that all of these Prohamas protests 224 00:14:00,679 --> 00:14:03,680 Speaker 6: that are happening. I understand, one blew up in the 225 00:14:03,800 --> 00:14:08,559 Speaker 6: commons tonight. I hope the police officers involved are okay, 226 00:14:08,920 --> 00:14:11,600 Speaker 6: But but all this excuse me. 227 00:14:12,200 --> 00:14:14,520 Speaker 2: When you when you when you say one blew up, 228 00:14:14,760 --> 00:14:17,520 Speaker 2: I assume you were referring to the Boston common singular. 229 00:14:19,040 --> 00:14:19,680 Speaker 3: Was there? Yeah? 230 00:14:19,880 --> 00:14:23,920 Speaker 6: Yeah, is there nothing the protests blew up in the 231 00:14:24,720 --> 00:14:27,800 Speaker 6: figurative sense, not necessarily an explosive device. 232 00:14:27,960 --> 00:14:30,320 Speaker 3: No, no, no, right, okay, I just wanted to clarify that. 233 00:14:30,440 --> 00:14:32,080 Speaker 2: And when you said you hope none of the police, 234 00:14:32,120 --> 00:14:35,480 Speaker 2: what you're saying is was the demonstration and hopefully everybody 235 00:14:35,480 --> 00:14:38,320 Speaker 2: behaved themselves, got a chance to exercise their First Amendment 236 00:14:38,360 --> 00:14:39,040 Speaker 2: rights and went home. 237 00:14:39,520 --> 00:14:43,760 Speaker 3: The people that you're dealing with primarily UH families whose 238 00:14:44,040 --> 00:14:47,600 Speaker 3: whose kids or whose members have become radicalized and have 239 00:14:47,720 --> 00:14:50,640 Speaker 3: become virulently anti Israel and anti Semitic. 240 00:14:52,360 --> 00:14:56,040 Speaker 6: Yes, that that is a common thread for almost all 241 00:14:56,080 --> 00:14:59,920 Speaker 6: of our cases. And we handle all violent extremist narratives, 242 00:15:00,160 --> 00:15:06,320 Speaker 6: everything from white nationalism to Islamism, to Antifa to humas 243 00:15:05,960 --> 00:15:10,080 Speaker 6: and all of those violent extreamist ideologies. If it was 244 00:15:10,160 --> 00:15:14,040 Speaker 6: a venn diagram, they all overlapped on anti semitism and 245 00:15:14,080 --> 00:15:14,960 Speaker 6: hatred of Jews. 246 00:15:15,280 --> 00:15:19,160 Speaker 2: And now you how successful are you with bringing people, 247 00:15:20,480 --> 00:15:25,080 Speaker 2: you know, out of those dark areas and a lot 248 00:15:25,120 --> 00:15:28,240 Speaker 2: of dark areas in the web and bringing them back 249 00:15:28,960 --> 00:15:31,080 Speaker 2: to a more rational point of view. 250 00:15:33,120 --> 00:15:36,480 Speaker 6: We're we're fairly successful. I'd say we probably got a 251 00:15:36,480 --> 00:15:41,680 Speaker 6: success rate of about seventy percent. There's some that, unfortunately 252 00:15:42,160 --> 00:15:43,880 Speaker 6: we just can't help a lot of times, if the 253 00:15:44,080 --> 00:15:47,640 Speaker 6: entire family is in that shape, it's hard to get 254 00:15:47,680 --> 00:15:50,840 Speaker 6: everybody on a healthier path together, although we have been 255 00:15:50,880 --> 00:15:53,280 Speaker 6: able to do that, but we really look at it 256 00:15:53,320 --> 00:15:56,920 Speaker 6: as a recovery process, and we treat hate as an addiction, 257 00:15:57,720 --> 00:16:02,240 Speaker 6: but we focus on anti Semitism because anti Semitism is 258 00:16:02,280 --> 00:16:05,840 Speaker 6: far and away, like the opiate strength and all of 259 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:11,720 Speaker 6: the addictive by an extremist ideologies. It's really just brilling 260 00:16:11,800 --> 00:16:13,040 Speaker 6: people's lives, Jeff. 261 00:16:13,080 --> 00:16:14,880 Speaker 2: I want to get Jeff to comment on this. I 262 00:16:15,880 --> 00:16:19,600 Speaker 2: think I recall the conversation I had with Arnold in 263 00:16:19,640 --> 00:16:22,680 Speaker 2: the past, but I don't know that there are a 264 00:16:22,760 --> 00:16:25,040 Speaker 2: lot of organization like this around the country. I think 265 00:16:25,040 --> 00:16:27,840 Speaker 2: there's probably a need for them. Your thoughts, Jeff on this, 266 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:29,160 Speaker 2: Have you heard of groups like this? 267 00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:30,160 Speaker 1: Well? 268 00:16:30,200 --> 00:16:32,160 Speaker 4: I have very much heard of Parents for Peace. There 269 00:16:32,160 --> 00:16:36,040 Speaker 4: a terrific organization and they do heroic, very well thought 270 00:16:36,080 --> 00:16:39,520 Speaker 4: out work around the country. So it's it's great to 271 00:16:39,520 --> 00:16:43,440 Speaker 4: get a call from him. They you know. One of 272 00:16:43,520 --> 00:16:47,560 Speaker 4: the interesting things is that Parents for Peace work a 273 00:16:47,560 --> 00:16:51,960 Speaker 4: lot with with with wisdom families obviously who have kids 274 00:16:52,040 --> 00:16:55,080 Speaker 4: or loved ones who have been radicalized. And one of 275 00:16:55,120 --> 00:16:58,480 Speaker 4: the aspects of just how awful this situation that he 276 00:16:58,520 --> 00:17:05,360 Speaker 4: describes is is the intimidation that is visited upon Muslim 277 00:17:05,400 --> 00:17:10,440 Speaker 4: moderates who try to fight back against anti semitism. It's 278 00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:14,359 Speaker 4: a real problem and more broadly, you know the problem 279 00:17:14,359 --> 00:17:16,359 Speaker 4: that the caller speaks of, and you and I have 280 00:17:16,359 --> 00:17:21,919 Speaker 4: talked about it, Dan, this really diseased, hate filled, vitriolic 281 00:17:22,720 --> 00:17:26,520 Speaker 4: viciousness that began or that was evident on the after 282 00:17:26,680 --> 00:17:31,000 Speaker 4: by the afternoon of October seventh, twenty twenty three, where 283 00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:37,000 Speaker 4: there already demonstrations against Israel, supposedly for being to blame 284 00:17:37,240 --> 00:17:40,800 Speaker 4: for October for the massacre, or defending it or exalting 285 00:17:40,840 --> 00:17:42,560 Speaker 4: at it. And for the last two years we've seen 286 00:17:42,640 --> 00:17:47,080 Speaker 4: this really take roots. So congratulations to parents for peace 287 00:17:47,080 --> 00:17:49,480 Speaker 4: and for all those who are trying to and Dan, 288 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:52,399 Speaker 4: nobody more than you who are trying to shine a 289 00:17:52,480 --> 00:17:58,359 Speaker 4: light on the viciousness the insanity that has ensued since 290 00:17:58,400 --> 00:17:59,200 Speaker 4: October seventh. 291 00:17:59,359 --> 00:18:01,480 Speaker 3: Well, what of the things about anti Semitism. 292 00:18:01,560 --> 00:18:03,560 Speaker 2: I'm not an expert on it by any stretch of 293 00:18:03,600 --> 00:18:07,280 Speaker 2: the imagination, but it seems to me that the anti 294 00:18:07,359 --> 00:18:11,879 Speaker 2: Semite always goes back to these blood libels. Well, you know, 295 00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:15,040 Speaker 2: they if you press them and why do you hate 296 00:18:15,119 --> 00:18:17,080 Speaker 2: Jewish people or why do you hate Israel? 297 00:18:17,520 --> 00:18:20,040 Speaker 3: And they conflate Jewish people with Israel. 298 00:18:20,040 --> 00:18:24,600 Speaker 2: Although there are many Jewish people who are not supportive 299 00:18:24,640 --> 00:18:27,440 Speaker 2: of the Israeli government at any given time. 300 00:18:27,680 --> 00:18:29,680 Speaker 3: But they'll come back to, well, they run the bank, 301 00:18:29,800 --> 00:18:31,280 Speaker 3: so they run this or they run that. 302 00:18:31,520 --> 00:18:35,240 Speaker 2: It's always they they they they they somehow that has 303 00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:39,160 Speaker 2: been implanted in people's minds. And I think that's the 304 00:18:39,200 --> 00:18:43,240 Speaker 2: forerunner if you can condition people. And I don't know, 305 00:18:43,240 --> 00:18:45,720 Speaker 2: I'd love to see if Arnold agrees with me on 306 00:18:45,800 --> 00:18:49,520 Speaker 2: that that this thought of well, this group has greater 307 00:18:49,760 --> 00:18:55,000 Speaker 2: power than their population would would justify. 308 00:18:55,760 --> 00:18:57,959 Speaker 3: Do you know what I'm saying when I suggest that, Arnold, 309 00:18:58,000 --> 00:18:59,080 Speaker 3: and how far off am I? 310 00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:01,160 Speaker 5: No? 311 00:19:01,400 --> 00:19:04,840 Speaker 6: I figure spot on Dan and this. I do this 312 00:19:04,960 --> 00:19:08,760 Speaker 6: work because thirty years ago I was a white nationalist skinhead, 313 00:19:09,160 --> 00:19:12,840 Speaker 6: and I used my lived experience knowing how people fall 314 00:19:12,920 --> 00:19:15,600 Speaker 6: under the influence of these ideologies and also how to 315 00:19:15,640 --> 00:19:19,160 Speaker 6: get them out, to hopefully do my job better in 316 00:19:19,200 --> 00:19:23,040 Speaker 6: this context. But you made a great point, and that 317 00:19:23,160 --> 00:19:26,440 Speaker 6: point is is that all of these anti Semitic tropes 318 00:19:26,480 --> 00:19:29,880 Speaker 6: about running the banks, running the media, controlling the government, 319 00:19:29,960 --> 00:19:36,560 Speaker 6: controlling the weather, they all go back to a hax forged, 320 00:19:36,640 --> 00:19:42,320 Speaker 6: plagiarized document called the Protocols of Zion, which originated around 321 00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:46,959 Speaker 6: the turn of the twentieth century. From the nineteenth twentieth 322 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:52,040 Speaker 6: century in Russia, and it went from the Tsaris to 323 00:19:52,119 --> 00:19:55,840 Speaker 6: the Bolsheviks, to the Nazis, to the Stalinists, to the 324 00:19:55,960 --> 00:19:59,880 Speaker 6: disinformation campaign led by the USSR in the nineteen sixties 325 00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:03,920 Speaker 6: Flannder Israel, and all of this anti so called anti 326 00:20:04,080 --> 00:20:08,240 Speaker 6: Zionism that we hear nowadays, which is just anti Semitism repackage, 327 00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:14,680 Speaker 6: can be traced directly back to this fake hulks plagiarized document, 328 00:20:14,760 --> 00:20:15,840 Speaker 6: the Protocols of Zion. 329 00:20:16,119 --> 00:20:18,880 Speaker 3: Well, Arnold, you're doing great work. 330 00:20:18,960 --> 00:20:21,399 Speaker 2: Thanks for checking in with us every once in a while, 331 00:20:21,440 --> 00:20:24,240 Speaker 2: and we do talk about this issue and hopefully we 332 00:20:24,280 --> 00:20:26,199 Speaker 2: can talk about it in the next few days and 333 00:20:26,280 --> 00:20:30,399 Speaker 2: that at least temporarily peace will be restored. Thank you 334 00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:31,840 Speaker 2: so much for your call, and thank you for the 335 00:20:31,880 --> 00:20:34,240 Speaker 2: work you do with Parents for Peace. If folks want 336 00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:36,560 Speaker 2: to get in touch with Parents for Peace, I assume 337 00:20:36,560 --> 00:20:39,240 Speaker 2: it's Parents for Peace dot org as a website. 338 00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:43,400 Speaker 6: Yeah, Parents four peace dot org with the number four. 339 00:20:44,119 --> 00:20:46,960 Speaker 2: Okay, well, that makes a difference, parents the numeral four 340 00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:49,920 Speaker 2: for Peace dot org. Arnold, thank you very much. 341 00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:51,600 Speaker 6: Thank you guys. 342 00:20:52,520 --> 00:20:52,840 Speaker 3: Jeff. 343 00:20:53,040 --> 00:20:57,679 Speaker 2: We'll continue on here. I got a break for news again. 344 00:20:57,840 --> 00:21:01,920 Speaker 2: I know at this time. It's early morning in the 345 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:04,040 Speaker 2: Middle East, so we're not going to be surprised with 346 00:21:04,119 --> 00:21:06,640 Speaker 2: any breakthrough tonight while we're on the air, So we'll 347 00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:10,560 Speaker 2: just assume we're talking about the status growth. The negotiations 348 00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:13,640 Speaker 2: will continue in a few hours and hopefully maybe tomorrow 349 00:21:14,040 --> 00:21:15,800 Speaker 2: will be the day that there will be a breakthrough. 350 00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:20,240 Speaker 2: My guest is Jeff Robbins. He's an attorney, first Amendment attorney, 351 00:21:20,359 --> 00:21:26,040 Speaker 2: deals in all sorts of critical issues, great experience in government, 352 00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:31,679 Speaker 2: representing our country at the United Nations. Also was a 353 00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:37,600 Speaker 2: representative of the Clinton administration. He practices law here in Boston, 354 00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:40,120 Speaker 2: and of course you know him also as a columnist 355 00:21:40,119 --> 00:21:44,080 Speaker 2: for the Boston Herald. Love to hear from my listeners 356 00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:48,000 Speaker 2: tonight the hopes that I know many of you share. 357 00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:51,960 Speaker 2: Feel free to lend you a voice to this call 358 00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:55,719 Speaker 2: and that maybe, somehow, some way things will turn around 359 00:21:56,080 --> 00:21:58,200 Speaker 2: in the next couple of days. So the next few days, 360 00:21:58,240 --> 00:22:03,359 Speaker 2: because frankly, if Hamas digs their heels in there, there's 361 00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:08,000 Speaker 2: options that I think are there. And if Hamas has 362 00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:11,879 Speaker 2: learned nothing, they should have seen what happened to the 363 00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:18,520 Speaker 2: Iranian nuclear program. President Trump threatened something and he acted 364 00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:20,800 Speaker 2: it was quite a gamble, but I think he won 365 00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:24,359 Speaker 2: on that, and I think that in this case it 366 00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:28,520 Speaker 2: will be the idea which will be authorized to finish 367 00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:31,520 Speaker 2: the job. Back on Nightside only line right now is 368 00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:34,560 Speaker 2: six one, seven, nine, three, one, ten thirty. 369 00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:36,720 Speaker 3: Feel free to join the conversation. Coming right back. 370 00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:44,200 Speaker 1: It's Nightside with Dan Ray on Boston's news radio. 371 00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:46,119 Speaker 2: Back to the phone to go. Let me go to 372 00:22:46,119 --> 00:22:48,400 Speaker 2: Sarah in Boston. Sarah, you are next on nights Side 373 00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:49,200 Speaker 2: with Jeff Robbins. 374 00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:51,480 Speaker 5: Go ahead, Sarah, Hi, how are you? 375 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:55,720 Speaker 7: Thanks so much for having me on. I should say 376 00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:58,359 Speaker 7: I'm a director of advocacy at ADL, but I'm calling 377 00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:01,640 Speaker 7: tonight really just in my personal capacity as a Jew 378 00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:07,480 Speaker 7: who has experienced the unbel unbelievable life changing impacts of 379 00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:09,919 Speaker 7: ten to seven. I just want to note, like your 380 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:12,960 Speaker 7: last caller, I am really not in a position to 381 00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:16,000 Speaker 7: speak with any authority on the best way forward to 382 00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:20,440 Speaker 7: achieve peace. I wish that many others, the armchair experts 383 00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:23,080 Speaker 7: would perhaps have a little bit of humility in that 384 00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:27,399 Speaker 7: regard as well. And I think it's really interesting though 385 00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:30,560 Speaker 7: that a lot of the people who have been screaming 386 00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:34,159 Speaker 7: from the rooftops that Israel was committing genocide even before 387 00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:39,040 Speaker 7: ten seven. That was a claim. We're also urging Hamas 388 00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:43,520 Speaker 7: not to accept this deal and continue to protest now, 389 00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:46,720 Speaker 7: notwithstanding the position where we were on the cusp of 390 00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:49,560 Speaker 7: potentially having a peace deal. But I did want to 391 00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:54,080 Speaker 7: just share some reflections on the day. You know, October 392 00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:58,359 Speaker 7: seventh is an open wound for this community. How could 393 00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:03,160 Speaker 7: we possibly begin to heal or even process the horrors 394 00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:07,360 Speaker 7: that were inflicted on that day when we were immediately 395 00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:11,560 Speaker 7: facing this avalanche of hate. I have just been so 396 00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:14,639 Speaker 7: shocked by what, you know, what appears to be almost 397 00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:19,480 Speaker 7: Holocaust denial in real time. Hamas posted the videos. People 398 00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:22,959 Speaker 7: are either these folks are either denying it or saying 399 00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:26,520 Speaker 7: some version of that we deserved it or Israel deserved it. 400 00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:30,919 Speaker 7: Those people and those families that were kid killed deserves it. 401 00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:34,399 Speaker 7: And I, like I will never get used to reading 402 00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:37,199 Speaker 7: articles that, you know, any articles on this topic that 403 00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:39,560 Speaker 7: will start with, you know, the horrors of ten to 404 00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:44,040 Speaker 7: seven and the anti Semitism that followed, and that that's 405 00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:48,040 Speaker 7: such a it's such a logical problem, right and and 406 00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:49,919 Speaker 7: we're also used to it at this point. But if 407 00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:53,040 Speaker 7: you pause for a second and consider that the Jewish 408 00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:58,119 Speaker 7: community suffered the worst horrors, the worst slaughter, barbaric slaughter 409 00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:02,439 Speaker 7: since the Holocaust, on ten to seven, and the reaction 410 00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:06,280 Speaker 7: wasn't the world wrapping its arms around us. The reaction 411 00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:10,480 Speaker 7: was more hate coming at us. And so I think 412 00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:15,040 Speaker 7: for many in our community, our lives just haven't been 413 00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:19,359 Speaker 7: the same and they will not. They certainly can't move forward. 414 00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:22,600 Speaker 7: We can't move forward until the remaining hostages are returned 415 00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:27,200 Speaker 7: home and until this brutal war ends, which Israel didn't 416 00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:29,920 Speaker 7: ask for, Israel didn't want, and none of us want. 417 00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:33,400 Speaker 2: I kind of imagine what I kind of imagine what 418 00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:35,800 Speaker 2: it would be like. I'm not Jewish, but I kind 419 00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:40,320 Speaker 2: of imagine what it would be like to see this, 420 00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:45,840 Speaker 2: this horrific, this horror played over and over again historically, 421 00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:49,560 Speaker 2: you know, whether it again was you know, the programs, 422 00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:55,080 Speaker 2: or the Holocaust or this. I read something yesterday that 423 00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:57,720 Speaker 2: this is a name from the past that no one 424 00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:00,639 Speaker 2: is probably going to remember. But forty years ago yesterday 425 00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:03,120 Speaker 2: I read one of those what happened on this day 426 00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:07,760 Speaker 2: the Achille Laurel. The boat was taken over, and there 427 00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:11,159 Speaker 2: was a Jewish American named Leon Klinghoffer who was in 428 00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:15,960 Speaker 2: a wheelchair and he was pushed off the boat. He 429 00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:20,960 Speaker 2: was there with his wife by these terrorists in just 430 00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:26,280 Speaker 2: to die in the ocean. And the cruelty that the 431 00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:30,520 Speaker 2: Jewish people over centuries have had to endure at the 432 00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:34,919 Speaker 2: hands of anti semits. To think that your children and 433 00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:38,200 Speaker 2: your grandchildren, it doesn't seem to ever want to end, 434 00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:40,000 Speaker 2: do you know the point of trying. 435 00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:41,719 Speaker 7: To make it, It really doesn't. It really doesn't. So 436 00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:45,879 Speaker 7: my grandparents were Holocaust survivors. They both lost their entire 437 00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:49,480 Speaker 7: families pretty much. My grandfather saved my grandmother. He also 438 00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:54,879 Speaker 7: saved over a thousand other Jews, smuggling them over into 439 00:26:54,960 --> 00:27:00,240 Speaker 7: relative safety. But it's remarkable that in an a of 440 00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:03,240 Speaker 7: information that we live in, with access to so much, 441 00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:06,480 Speaker 7: and you and as you sort of suggested, you could 442 00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:09,200 Speaker 7: pretty much open you know, a chapter at any point 443 00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:13,359 Speaker 7: in history and see these things going on and see 444 00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:16,360 Speaker 7: what results from them. And it's never it's obviously never 445 00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:18,760 Speaker 7: good for the Jews, but it's it's it threatens all 446 00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:22,840 Speaker 7: of us. It never ends well, and somehow we still 447 00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:26,399 Speaker 7: face this denial. And I think there are there are 448 00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:29,160 Speaker 7: a few things as upsetting to me as has been 449 00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:32,679 Speaker 7: the feeling that we have to fight to simply be seen, 450 00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:38,040 Speaker 7: and all of you know, the sort of progressive ideology 451 00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:41,320 Speaker 7: which I very much subscribe to, like my whole life, 452 00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:45,040 Speaker 7: my whole adult life, thrown out the window when it 453 00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:48,480 Speaker 7: comes to our suffering and our pain, being made to 454 00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:51,560 Speaker 7: feel that we're taking up too much space by even 455 00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:55,840 Speaker 7: naming what we're experiencing, and the sense that we have 456 00:27:56,000 --> 00:28:00,680 Speaker 7: to beg for scraps of acknowledgment of our our humanity, 457 00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:04,479 Speaker 7: beg our elected leaders to simply acknowledge when we all 458 00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:07,439 Speaker 7: know the facts, which is that if any other community 459 00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:10,720 Speaker 7: were being targeted, and even a fraction of the ways 460 00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:14,280 Speaker 7: that our community has been, we would be hearing about 461 00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:17,440 Speaker 7: it constantly. There would be there would be memes, there 462 00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:22,159 Speaker 7: would be slogans, there would be all manner of support 463 00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:26,600 Speaker 7: coming through. And instead, the Jews have to look to 464 00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:29,119 Speaker 7: each other to give comfort to each other. And I 465 00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:31,240 Speaker 7: am grateful for that, and it is a privilege to 466 00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:34,840 Speaker 7: be able to work with and for my community. But 467 00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:38,480 Speaker 7: we are, and I would and you know, present company excluded. 468 00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:40,720 Speaker 7: We do have allies, and I am so grateful for 469 00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:43,840 Speaker 7: the ones we have, but we have far too few. 470 00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:48,640 Speaker 2: Well, I said that to be honest with you, and 471 00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:53,800 Speaker 2: it's frustrating. Jeff and I have talked about that many times. 472 00:28:54,640 --> 00:29:01,400 Speaker 2: I just don't understand why there's group people who you know, 473 00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:03,640 Speaker 2: went to the desert built a. 474 00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:08,160 Speaker 3: Thriving economy in the Middle East, something that other nations. 475 00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:09,960 Speaker 3: And I think Donald Trump is smart. 476 00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:14,320 Speaker 2: Enough to recognize that and is basically saying to other 477 00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:19,280 Speaker 2: Arab nations where people are legitimate, you know, look, you 478 00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:23,640 Speaker 2: can you can improve, you can be like Israel. And 479 00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:26,320 Speaker 2: and maybe it's the economic message that will that will 480 00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:28,440 Speaker 2: break through in the Middle East and then back here. 481 00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:33,479 Speaker 2: But I just think that there's been so much said, uh, 482 00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:37,080 Speaker 2: you know, over the years, and that people have have 483 00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:39,680 Speaker 2: haven't allowed to be implanted in their minds, and it's. 484 00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:44,440 Speaker 3: It's frightening. Alan, you're you're my guest. 485 00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:48,880 Speaker 2: Sarah is so eloquent here your comment on on her comments, 486 00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:50,800 Speaker 2: I'm I'm not. 487 00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:55,200 Speaker 3: I'm without words here. She was so eloquent. 488 00:29:57,320 --> 00:30:02,280 Speaker 4: Well, obviously it's very moving to hear this from Sarah 489 00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:05,560 Speaker 4: and and I couldn't agree more. And you know, on 490 00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:11,320 Speaker 4: the begging for scraps front imagion, imagine within hours of 491 00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:15,840 Speaker 4: the while body fragments were still being collected, in southern Israel, 492 00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:22,160 Speaker 4: that they're basically are professors exulting in this, celebrating and 493 00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:24,120 Speaker 4: cheering it on, saying it's inspirational. 494 00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:25,880 Speaker 3: Look, well you're talking about that. 495 00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:29,800 Speaker 2: You're talking about that guy at Cornell who was merely suspended. 496 00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:34,000 Speaker 2: He said he felt exhilarated by what he saw. How 497 00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:36,520 Speaker 2: could he feel exhilarate? How could he use that word? 498 00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:39,280 Speaker 2: He's an intelligent man. They'll be like saying that that 499 00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:43,880 Speaker 2: that someone who was a virulent white racist was exhilarated 500 00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:46,760 Speaker 2: because they saw a movie about a black person being 501 00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:48,400 Speaker 2: lynched in the in the in the. 502 00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:52,560 Speaker 3: Post bell himself. And yet he's still on the faculty 503 00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:53,120 Speaker 3: at Cornell. 504 00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:57,560 Speaker 4: Yeah, and you've got thirty four student organizations at Harvard 505 00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:02,960 Speaker 4: that within hours blamed Israel for it. You had Democratic 506 00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:05,760 Speaker 4: Socials of America rallies, You had rallies all over the 507 00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:08,960 Speaker 4: place talking about how it was resistance. You had in 508 00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:13,280 Speaker 4: the weeks that followed, people all over America God help us, 509 00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:17,200 Speaker 4: and elsewhere in the world ripping down posters simply asking 510 00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:20,320 Speaker 4: that young people are old people who were in gos 511 00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:23,760 Speaker 4: and tunnels be remembered. How do you get wrap your 512 00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:26,000 Speaker 4: arms around that? All you can do is say that 513 00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:29,680 Speaker 4: there's a disease and you, you have been good enough, 514 00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:33,440 Speaker 4: wonderful enough, then so constantly, relentlessly shine a spotlight on it. 515 00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:38,840 Speaker 2: Well, my honor and my pleasure of someone who's not Jewish. 516 00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:41,120 Speaker 2: People say to me, as I've said on this radio 517 00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:44,200 Speaker 2: station before, well you know Jewish, welcome you so pro Israel. 518 00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:46,440 Speaker 2: How come you so pro Jewish? I said, Well, the 519 00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:48,680 Speaker 2: guy who found it my religion happened to be Jewish, 520 00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:53,000 Speaker 2: his parents were Jewish, and that kind of stuns him. 521 00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:55,120 Speaker 3: Folks, I got to take a quick break. 522 00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:57,800 Speaker 2: I got Jamie and Sharon coming up in Joe and Weston, 523 00:31:57,880 --> 00:31:59,560 Speaker 2: and if there's a couple more they want to join 524 00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:02,560 Speaker 2: the converse station. Sarah, thank you for your eloquence tonight 525 00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:06,520 Speaker 2: and your passion. By the way, you're justifiable passion. 526 00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:09,480 Speaker 7: Thank you, my pleasure, and thank you for your allyship. 527 00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:11,920 Speaker 7: It means so much my pleasure. 528 00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:13,959 Speaker 3: My pleasure, my duty. Thank you. 529 00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:18,240 Speaker 2: Take a quick break back with Jeff Robbins. Join the conversation. 530 00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:21,320 Speaker 2: Jeff will stay with us two eleven. I'm more than 531 00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:23,880 Speaker 2: happy to talk about this into the eleven o'clock hour, 532 00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:29,080 Speaker 2: because I think if we can't rally for Israel after 533 00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:30,280 Speaker 2: what they have gone through? 534 00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:32,720 Speaker 3: Who will we ever rally for? Simple as that? 535 00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:34,720 Speaker 2: And if you're sitting home and you agree with us, 536 00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:38,479 Speaker 2: feel free to pick up the phone and add your 537 00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:43,520 Speaker 2: voice to the chorus. Silence is not golden in this situation. 538 00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:48,000 Speaker 2: Silence can be described by some people as sort of 539 00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:50,880 Speaker 2: tacit approval of what happened two years ago. 540 00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:52,760 Speaker 3: Today, back on Nightside after this. 541 00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:58,840 Speaker 1: You're on Night Side with Dan Ray. I'm Boston's news Radio. 542 00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:01,840 Speaker 2: Let's keep I'm going to try to move the college 543 00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:04,160 Speaker 2: just a little bit more quickly, Jamie and Sharon Jamie 544 00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:07,520 Speaker 2: next time NIGHTSIG right ahead, Hi. 545 00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:13,000 Speaker 5: Dane, I want to first thank you for doing this 546 00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:18,240 Speaker 5: tonight on what is a very painful anniversary for many 547 00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:21,840 Speaker 5: of us in the Jewish community. I don't know that 548 00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:26,120 Speaker 5: I can be as eloquent as as your previous caller, 549 00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:31,880 Speaker 5: Sarah was, or or your guests, but I don't think 550 00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:37,840 Speaker 5: people really understand how painful it is for many of us. 551 00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:43,640 Speaker 5: We don't necessarily talk about it, you know, with our 552 00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:48,120 Speaker 5: work colleagues and friends who aren't Jewish. We tend to 553 00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:55,000 Speaker 5: really talk feel more comfortable talking within the Jewish community, 554 00:33:55,680 --> 00:34:02,760 Speaker 5: and it's really hard for me to imagine all the 555 00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:09,840 Speaker 5: pain that many college students who are Jewish have endured 556 00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:12,040 Speaker 5: over the last few years. 557 00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:15,040 Speaker 2: But I also think, you know, in all honesty, Jamie, 558 00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:18,440 Speaker 2: that you calling tonight is important because a lot of 559 00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:22,279 Speaker 2: people who don't know you will hear the authenticity and 560 00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:24,719 Speaker 2: the passion and the pain in your voice as we 561 00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:29,840 Speaker 2: heard from Sarah, and people can ignore it. They don't 562 00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:32,800 Speaker 2: you know, they may not have people who will discuss 563 00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:36,680 Speaker 2: it with them. I always want this program to be 564 00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:41,640 Speaker 2: accessible and available to fight against anti Semitism. My dad 565 00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:43,879 Speaker 2: was in World War Two and he told me back 566 00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:48,560 Speaker 2: in the day, never forget what happened in the Holocaust. 567 00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:51,320 Speaker 2: That was what was taught at our dinner table. And 568 00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:55,480 Speaker 2: I visited Auschwitz in nineteen eighty six and did TV 569 00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:58,040 Speaker 2: reports from there, and it had a tremendous impact. 570 00:34:58,080 --> 00:34:59,960 Speaker 3: It reinforced everything my father had said to me. 571 00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:06,320 Speaker 5: So, yeah, that's wonderful. I think what's the scariest for 572 00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:10,360 Speaker 5: many of us is, you know what our children and 573 00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:16,080 Speaker 5: grandchildren are having to deal with in school, and you know, 574 00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:20,279 Speaker 5: where does it come from. Clearly they learn it from 575 00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:27,080 Speaker 5: somewhere else, and they learn it at home, and you know, Unfortunately, 576 00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:32,239 Speaker 5: there are some professors, as you've just spoken about, and 577 00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:37,480 Speaker 5: some teachers in our k through twelve systems who you know, 578 00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:42,920 Speaker 5: are advocates. I think they're advocating on behalf of all 579 00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:48,440 Speaker 5: human rights. But they're choosing, and they're choosing to be political, 580 00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:53,560 Speaker 5: and they're choosing to try and you know, brainwash children. 581 00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:55,840 Speaker 2: And that will I will also say this, and you 582 00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:58,960 Speaker 2: have no way of knowing this, but as a Catholic 583 00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:02,120 Speaker 2: who is in perfect in so many ways, I do 584 00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:05,560 Speaker 2: go to church, and I do not hear from the 585 00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:09,400 Speaker 2: pulpit of the Catholic churches that I've gone to anywhere 586 00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:14,640 Speaker 2: near the amount of support for Israel and for the victimization, 587 00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:17,839 Speaker 2: you know, a criticism of what happened. I don't hear 588 00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:21,640 Speaker 2: that from Catholic Church pulpits. And it disappoints me because 589 00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:25,239 Speaker 2: I grew up at a time when anti Semitism was 590 00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:28,080 Speaker 2: I heard a lot of those jokes as a kid, 591 00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:32,640 Speaker 2: and I filed them away in my mind. And the 592 00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:35,280 Speaker 2: Catholic Church talks a lot about things like social justice, 593 00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:38,080 Speaker 2: but they don't talk about justice for Israel. And that 594 00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:42,760 Speaker 2: is an element that is missing from Catholic theology today. 595 00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:43,520 Speaker 3: In my opinion. 596 00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:51,480 Speaker 5: Well, that's that's really awful to hear. I'm shocked and 597 00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:56,680 Speaker 5: sorry to hear it. I do think there are some churches. 598 00:36:57,080 --> 00:36:59,800 Speaker 5: I don't think it's the Catholic churches. I think it's 599 00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:05,040 Speaker 5: tends to be Protestant, you know, very liberal churches that 600 00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:07,479 Speaker 5: are very you. 601 00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:12,200 Speaker 2: Know, progressive, progressive right. They're progressive right, and but for 602 00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:15,839 Speaker 2: some reason Israel gets a pass and uh right. And look, 603 00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:17,799 Speaker 2: I don't go to Protestant churches. I can only speak 604 00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:22,200 Speaker 2: about Catholic churches. But I and I've talked to Jeff 605 00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:24,120 Speaker 2: about this privately, and I just thought to know, I'm 606 00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:24,960 Speaker 2: going to say it publicly. 607 00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:25,880 Speaker 3: And I really don't care. 608 00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:28,040 Speaker 2: And if there are people out there who think I 609 00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:33,360 Speaker 2: am criticizing my religion, I'm criticizing the leadership of my religion. 610 00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:35,840 Speaker 3: Yeah. 611 00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:39,560 Speaker 5: Well, I think I think we have a lot to 612 00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:43,520 Speaker 5: ask of all of our leaders, are religious leaders, and 613 00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:48,640 Speaker 5: you know, all of our civic and political leaders these days, 614 00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:54,200 Speaker 5: to to really try and you know, teach love and 615 00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:55,040 Speaker 5: not hatred. 616 00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:59,799 Speaker 2: It's just so, and and identify the difference. There was 617 00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:03,920 Speaker 2: no administered to Jewish to Israeli's on the on the 618 00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:08,560 Speaker 2: morning of October seventh, it was nothing but unadulterated hatred. Uh, 619 00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:11,839 Speaker 2: and some have not been able to bring themselves even 620 00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:14,799 Speaker 2: to understand that, Jamie, I got to run here. Thank 621 00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:16,640 Speaker 2: you so much. I hope you'll continue to listen to 622 00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:17,480 Speaker 2: my show and call my. 623 00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:20,680 Speaker 5: Show off a thank you. 624 00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:23,040 Speaker 3: You're welcome, Jeff, as always, thank you. 625 00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:25,360 Speaker 2: The call has kind of took over in the last 626 00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:27,520 Speaker 2: half hour, which is a tribute to you. You got 627 00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:29,560 Speaker 2: you got them going, and I'm going to continue into 628 00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:30,160 Speaker 2: the next hour. 629 00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:31,279 Speaker 3: My friend, let us go. 630 00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:35,680 Speaker 2: For doing this my pleasure, my pleasure, you know what 631 00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:41,560 Speaker 2: it it's the right thing to do. Wow, there's no no, uh, 632 00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:44,680 Speaker 2: there's no other choice, Jeff. I mean it's clear. It's 633 00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:48,000 Speaker 2: clear you're you're either with the light or with darkness. 634 00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:51,239 Speaker 2: And and I think Israel is the light, and that's 635 00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:54,000 Speaker 2: what I believe. We will talk soon and we'll continue 636 00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:56,560 Speaker 2: into the next hour, Jeff. Hopefully there'll be a time 637 00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:59,640 Speaker 2: later this week, early next week where we can celebrate peace. 638 00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:01,759 Speaker 3: Peace, we'll see. 639 00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:02,680 Speaker 4: Thank you so much. 640 00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:05,520 Speaker 3: You're very welcome, Jeff. Thank you so much to Eileen 641 00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:08,080 Speaker 3: and John and Joe and Bob. Stay there. 642 00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:10,520 Speaker 2: The only line opened six point seven two five, four 643 00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:14,479 Speaker 2: ten thirty. Let's light them up. If you agree with me, fine, 644 00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:17,120 Speaker 2: If you disagree with me fine uh. And if you're 645 00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:21,080 Speaker 2: out there and you're a practicing Catholic and you feel 646 00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:23,680 Speaker 2: that what I said is off base, feel free. And 647 00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:26,200 Speaker 2: if you feel it's on the money, feel free. Back 648 00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:27,160 Speaker 2: on Night's side after this