1 00:00:00,440 --> 00:00:03,080 Speaker 1: Anyway, the Hoffman group needs boots on the grind in 2 00:00:03,120 --> 00:00:08,280 Speaker 1: Pittsburgh to spend money wisely, but definitely spend, and especially 3 00:00:08,320 --> 00:00:11,040 Speaker 1: when the time comes. I don't know what happens to 4 00:00:11,039 --> 00:00:14,800 Speaker 1: sports Net Pittsburgh. That's a good question, because FSG owns 5 00:00:14,800 --> 00:00:17,680 Speaker 1: sports Net Pittsburgh and they have no reason to want 6 00:00:17,720 --> 00:00:20,480 Speaker 1: to continue to own it now. Was that part of 7 00:00:20,520 --> 00:00:23,800 Speaker 1: the sale price? We do not know. But the Penguins 8 00:00:23,800 --> 00:00:26,400 Speaker 1: need games on TV and it affects the Pirates too, 9 00:00:28,280 --> 00:00:31,400 Speaker 1: And yeah, and this is the thing people are making 10 00:00:32,040 --> 00:00:35,320 Speaker 1: the big crux of the sale. This is being talked 11 00:00:35,320 --> 00:00:38,000 Speaker 1: about more than anything, and frankly, it shows that the 12 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:41,000 Speaker 1: people who talk about it don't know hockey at all, 13 00:00:41,280 --> 00:00:43,880 Speaker 1: don't know what's gone on with the Penguins, and don't 14 00:00:43,880 --> 00:00:46,400 Speaker 1: know the priorities of this ownership transfer. 15 00:00:47,400 --> 00:00:48,760 Speaker 2: But the big deal is being. 16 00:00:48,600 --> 00:00:52,200 Speaker 1: Made about how Hoffman needs to make amends with Mario Lemieux, 17 00:00:53,120 --> 00:00:55,840 Speaker 1: and I'd love to see it. Mario is the face 18 00:00:55,880 --> 00:00:59,760 Speaker 1: of the franchise of Pittsburgh Hockey. He's the biggest, most 19 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:03,800 Speaker 1: pactful figure in the history of Pittsburgh sports, not just 20 00:01:03,840 --> 00:01:06,680 Speaker 1: the Penguins, not just hockey. He's the founder of the 21 00:01:06,680 --> 00:01:11,160 Speaker 1: feast several times over. You need Mario there and whatever 22 00:01:11,200 --> 00:01:16,280 Speaker 1: capacity he wants, it is imperative. You got Mario, you 23 00:01:16,440 --> 00:01:19,319 Speaker 1: got the citizens. It ain't been the same between the 24 00:01:19,360 --> 00:01:24,399 Speaker 1: fans and the team Fenway in particular since Fenway got 25 00:01:24,400 --> 00:01:27,440 Speaker 1: on the ops with Mario, which was all Fenway's fault, 26 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:33,319 Speaker 1: by the way, But there seems this notion that if 27 00:01:33,319 --> 00:01:36,920 Speaker 1: you reconnect with Mario, you win quicker. 28 00:01:38,200 --> 00:01:40,760 Speaker 2: Well, not unless he plays and he wants. 29 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:46,399 Speaker 1: Mario must be reconnected, but it's crucial for optics, it's 30 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:47,680 Speaker 1: crucial for feel good. 31 00:01:48,200 --> 00:01:50,760 Speaker 2: He won't be GM, he won't be coach. He won. 32 00:01:50,840 --> 00:01:55,920 Speaker 2: Mario owned the team owns owns. 33 00:01:56,400 --> 00:01:58,840 Speaker 1: Like the B team was acting like he was involved 34 00:01:58,840 --> 00:02:02,520 Speaker 1: in hockey operations. Jason Mackie report, he covers the Penguins 35 00:02:02,520 --> 00:02:05,600 Speaker 1: for the Post Casette, that Mario is no longer involved 36 00:02:05,640 --> 00:02:07,480 Speaker 1: in hockey operations. He never was. 37 00:02:07,880 --> 00:02:11,160 Speaker 2: He never ever was. He would make the odd suggestion. 38 00:02:11,240 --> 00:02:14,840 Speaker 1: The most famous one I remember being in two thousand 39 00:02:14,840 --> 00:02:17,480 Speaker 1: and eight, Ray Shiro was kind of lukewarm on the 40 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:19,920 Speaker 1: idea of trading for Mary and Hose at the deadline, 41 00:02:21,639 --> 00:02:23,640 Speaker 1: and Mario said, you got to we got a shot 42 00:02:23,680 --> 00:02:26,799 Speaker 1: at this, and Ray did and they made the final. 43 00:02:27,560 --> 00:02:30,240 Speaker 1: So good decision by Mario, but he made so very 44 00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:33,239 Speaker 1: few of them. Him coming back is not a shortcut 45 00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:36,000 Speaker 1: to winning. Him coming back does not affect hockey ops. 46 00:02:36,160 --> 00:02:40,400 Speaker 1: Him coming back is extremely important, but not for reasons 47 00:02:40,480 --> 00:02:43,280 Speaker 1: you think, at least not for one reason. You think 48 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:47,760 Speaker 1: it is not a gateway to winning quicker. In fact, 49 00:02:48,400 --> 00:02:53,800 Speaker 1: my worry about Hoffman buying is that for that price, 50 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:58,720 Speaker 1: they're gonna want to win quicker than the rebuild dictates. 51 00:02:58,560 --> 00:03:00,800 Speaker 2: And the f's up the re built. 52 00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:05,440 Speaker 1: I am trepidacious, more trepidations about this Hoffman group than 53 00:03:05,520 --> 00:03:09,520 Speaker 1: most because I understand FSG better than most because of 54 00:03:09,560 --> 00:03:15,639 Speaker 1: the Liverpool connection. This is a rookie ownership group. FSG 55 00:03:15,840 --> 00:03:19,520 Speaker 1: one with Liverpool when Liverpool ain't one in a while, 56 00:03:20,760 --> 00:03:25,400 Speaker 1: Liverpool has the Red Sox consistently competing, and you might say, yeah, 57 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:28,040 Speaker 1: they got the budget, do they? 58 00:03:28,520 --> 00:03:30,240 Speaker 2: I mean, do they got a Yankee budget? Do they 59 00:03:30,320 --> 00:03:31,440 Speaker 2: got a Dodger's budget? 60 00:03:31,919 --> 00:03:34,920 Speaker 1: No, they do not, And everybody said, how can they 61 00:03:34,960 --> 00:03:35,840 Speaker 1: trade Mooki Betts? 62 00:03:35,880 --> 00:03:37,440 Speaker 2: Looks like a good move down on it. 63 00:03:38,480 --> 00:03:40,520 Speaker 1: Mookie Bets has gone to hell in LA and they 64 00:03:40,560 --> 00:03:43,920 Speaker 1: got seven more years of him paying him some absurd amount. 65 00:03:44,360 --> 00:03:47,040 Speaker 2: Fenway got that right. Fenway gets a ton right. 66 00:03:47,720 --> 00:03:54,760 Speaker 1: I want to see what Hoffman gets right and FSG walking. 67 00:03:56,040 --> 00:03:58,160 Speaker 2: Here's the standpoint from which it doesn't surprise me. 68 00:03:58,200 --> 00:04:00,680 Speaker 1: And I've had people with Fenway t tell me when, 69 00:04:01,080 --> 00:04:03,880 Speaker 1: like when the Hoffman deal fell apart initially, and somebody 70 00:04:03,880 --> 00:04:10,920 Speaker 1: from Fenway told me that, Okay, when the deal fell 71 00:04:10,920 --> 00:04:14,960 Speaker 1: apart initially, Fenways said that they weren't looking to just 72 00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:18,560 Speaker 1: dump the Penguins. It wasn't imperative to them. They didn't 73 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:22,240 Speaker 1: see it as a losing business proposition. But they profited 74 00:04:22,240 --> 00:04:25,279 Speaker 1: by like what a billion on this sales? Something like that, 75 00:04:25,600 --> 00:04:28,640 Speaker 1: almost a billion? I mean, how can you not make 76 00:04:28,680 --> 00:04:35,320 Speaker 1: that deal? But I do know this. I do know this. 77 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:39,239 Speaker 1: You listen to anybody else talking about this, they're kind 78 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:42,440 Speaker 1: of imagining from a distance because it makes sense to them. 79 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:45,000 Speaker 1: Know the stuff you've just heard during this segment I 80 00:04:45,320 --> 00:04:50,640 Speaker 1: know to be true. And among those things is Fenway 81 00:04:50,880 --> 00:04:54,599 Speaker 1: thinks the NHL is a disorganized, low rent mess. 82 00:04:56,279 --> 00:04:57,359 Speaker 2: And Fenway's not wrong. 83 00:04:59,400 --> 00:04:59,840 Speaker 3: Mario F. 84 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:02,880 Speaker 1: Misley called it talked to the devil a garage league. 85 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:05,000 Speaker 2: It ain't far above that. 86 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:10,279 Speaker 1: It's just this old school Canadian hockey mentality, and it's 87 00:05:10,279 --> 00:05:13,479 Speaker 1: why it's never gotten bigger than it is and never will. 88 00:05:13,520 --> 00:05:14,919 Speaker 2: At this point, that doesn't bother me. 89 00:05:15,320 --> 00:05:17,800 Speaker 1: I accept it as something I love, but I also 90 00:05:17,839 --> 00:05:20,560 Speaker 1: accept it it's in a niche. I'll give an example 91 00:05:20,560 --> 00:05:23,960 Speaker 1: of how the NHL just doesn't get it. The NHL 92 00:05:24,040 --> 00:05:28,880 Speaker 1: sabotages itself with the Olympics. It's something out of their 93 00:05:28,920 --> 00:05:31,960 Speaker 1: control that they don't directly benefit from. They do it 94 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:34,960 Speaker 1: because the players want to and it's a bargaining chip 95 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:38,000 Speaker 1: in a CBA. But think about this, The NHL, with 96 00:05:38,080 --> 00:05:44,840 Speaker 1: International Hockey, creates an event that outshines their main event, 97 00:05:45,480 --> 00:05:49,200 Speaker 1: the Stanley Cup playoffs, the Olympics, and last year's Four 98 00:05:49,279 --> 00:05:56,279 Speaker 1: Nations in February, winner hockey season. When the Four Nations concluded, 99 00:05:56,320 --> 00:05:59,680 Speaker 1: and when the Olympics conclude next year, it'll feel like 100 00:05:59,760 --> 00:06:04,640 Speaker 1: hot ended. I guarantee you there's people out there that 101 00:06:04,800 --> 00:06:07,600 Speaker 1: have more memory of what happened in the Four Nations 102 00:06:08,520 --> 00:06:11,240 Speaker 1: than what happened in the Stanley Cup final. Oh three 103 00:06:11,240 --> 00:06:14,600 Speaker 1: fights in nine seconds and then a minute later, Wait 104 00:06:14,680 --> 00:06:16,440 Speaker 1: a minute, I who. 105 00:06:16,240 --> 00:06:19,080 Speaker 2: Played again in the final the Stanley Cup Final? Who played? 106 00:06:19,720 --> 00:06:24,520 Speaker 1: The NHL promotes an event that diminishes its own product. 107 00:06:25,680 --> 00:06:28,240 Speaker 1: The NHL never seems as good after the Olympics, does it. 108 00:06:28,320 --> 00:06:32,120 Speaker 1: I mean, it's it can't. It's All Star hockey played seriously, 109 00:06:32,200 --> 00:06:36,000 Speaker 1: not like the NHL All Star Game. So that's why 110 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:38,080 Speaker 1: I'm not in favor of NHL or is in the Olympics. 111 00:06:38,120 --> 00:06:40,680 Speaker 1: I would much rather have them do it their own 112 00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:42,880 Speaker 1: way with the World Cup of Hockey, which they plan 113 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:45,000 Speaker 1: on doing. I mean, look at this mess in Italy. 114 00:06:45,040 --> 00:06:47,479 Speaker 1: The rink's not even done. But I digress. If you 115 00:06:47,480 --> 00:06:51,520 Speaker 1: have any questions or comments about the FSG sale to 116 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:54,560 Speaker 1: Hop and what I've just said, feel free because I 117 00:06:54,680 --> 00:06:59,760 Speaker 1: know other people they don't know I know. And next 118 00:06:59,880 --> 00:07:03,600 Speaker 1: up his calls on the fifteens eight three three four 119 00:07:03,640 --> 00:07:06,839 Speaker 1: one two WXDX eight three three four one two w xdx. 120 00:07:07,320 --> 00:07:08,840 Speaker 1: It's the Mark Mannon Show on one oh five to 121 00:07:08,920 --> 00:07:12,120 Speaker 1: nine and train use second Avenue to the Fort Pitt 122 00:07:12,120 --> 00:07:14,120 Speaker 1: Bridge outbound stop and go from the Boulevard of the 123 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:16,520 Speaker 1: Allies out to Edgewood, Swiss Vail, Brandon, Joseph. 124 00:07:16,600 --> 00:07:19,600 Speaker 2: Total traffic, I'm told, got told. 125 00:07:19,120 --> 00:07:22,360 Speaker 4: Got TX at one oh five nine. 126 00:07:25,560 --> 00:07:28,960 Speaker 1: Get your calls in for calls on the fifteens A 127 00:07:29,120 --> 00:07:31,520 Speaker 1: three three four one two w xdx, or use the 128 00:07:31,600 --> 00:07:36,280 Speaker 1: secret backdoor number four one two three three three w xdx. 129 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:43,440 Speaker 1: I think it's important that Mario has his relationship restored 130 00:07:44,160 --> 00:07:45,480 Speaker 1: with the Penguins. 131 00:07:45,840 --> 00:07:48,200 Speaker 2: He was not at fault for the split with FSG. 132 00:07:48,280 --> 00:07:49,200 Speaker 2: It was all FSG. 133 00:07:49,880 --> 00:07:53,960 Speaker 1: That was one of their few failures as the Penguins owners. 134 00:07:54,760 --> 00:07:57,800 Speaker 1: But it's not like you think it could be where 135 00:07:57,800 --> 00:07:59,760 Speaker 1: he's going to show up at the press conference tourn 136 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:02,600 Speaker 1: stale of the team and shake his fist and say 137 00:08:02,640 --> 00:08:06,440 Speaker 1: I'm back and we're gonna start winning right away. There 138 00:08:06,480 --> 00:08:10,960 Speaker 1: is no connection between restoring the relationship with Mario and 139 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:14,760 Speaker 1: winning faster, and nobody's directly drawing that parallel, but it's 140 00:08:14,760 --> 00:08:19,080 Speaker 1: certainly something that people are attempting to imply, like Mario's 141 00:08:19,120 --> 00:08:20,240 Speaker 1: back and it's time to win. 142 00:08:21,400 --> 00:08:24,200 Speaker 2: Uh huh I wish wish it were that simple. 143 00:08:24,560 --> 00:08:27,840 Speaker 1: Like I said, maybe if he plays and uh, I 144 00:08:27,880 --> 00:08:30,640 Speaker 1: hold him in higher esteem than anybody I've ever worked with, 145 00:08:30,640 --> 00:08:37,560 Speaker 1: pretty much everyone I've ever known, But it's purely cosmetic optics. 146 00:08:37,640 --> 00:08:42,000 Speaker 1: It's good and it'll get fans more involved, and that's 147 00:08:42,040 --> 00:08:46,400 Speaker 1: always a good thing financially too, but it's not a 148 00:08:46,520 --> 00:08:53,600 Speaker 1: cure all any hoodles eight three, three, four one two WXDX. 149 00:08:54,280 --> 00:08:57,479 Speaker 1: Let's go to a Darian Darien. You're on with Mark. 150 00:08:59,080 --> 00:09:00,480 Speaker 2: Supervenius. What up? 151 00:09:01,320 --> 00:09:04,240 Speaker 5: I just have some questions. I'm curious, though, what the 152 00:09:04,400 --> 00:09:07,040 Speaker 5: everyday fan has to expect with the new ownership. And 153 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:09,720 Speaker 5: I'm curious what impact the new ownership would have on 154 00:09:09,760 --> 00:09:11,280 Speaker 5: the front office. 155 00:09:12,080 --> 00:09:14,800 Speaker 1: Well, I mean, I don't know what expect what to 156 00:09:14,920 --> 00:09:17,400 Speaker 1: expect in terms of their day to day impact. How 157 00:09:17,440 --> 00:09:20,360 Speaker 1: would anybody know that they've never owned a professional sports 158 00:09:20,400 --> 00:09:23,040 Speaker 1: team before outside of an East Coast Hockey League team, 159 00:09:23,040 --> 00:09:26,080 Speaker 1: the Florida ever Blades, who did win, but that means nothing. 160 00:09:26,120 --> 00:09:28,160 Speaker 2: This isn't wheeling. Like I said. 161 00:09:27,920 --> 00:09:30,800 Speaker 1: A moment ago, I'm curious myself as to how it 162 00:09:30,880 --> 00:09:34,200 Speaker 1: input impacts management. Kyle Dubas I think has five years 163 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:37,240 Speaker 1: left on his deal, so I wouldn't think he's going anywhere, 164 00:09:37,280 --> 00:09:39,960 Speaker 1: nor would the new owner see the need to not 165 00:09:40,080 --> 00:09:41,760 Speaker 1: want him to be the GM. I think he's done 166 00:09:41,760 --> 00:09:44,839 Speaker 1: a real good job. But rebuilding has to go at 167 00:09:44,840 --> 00:09:48,080 Speaker 1: its own pace. It has to be very organic, and 168 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:51,520 Speaker 1: maybe they'll want to accelerate the process, which would not 169 00:09:51,559 --> 00:09:54,199 Speaker 1: be good. And it also worries me that Sid's agent 170 00:09:54,280 --> 00:09:57,000 Speaker 1: Pat Posson. He had a hot burst about we need 171 00:09:57,000 --> 00:10:00,720 Speaker 1: to win now for SID, and may they get in 172 00:10:00,880 --> 00:10:04,240 Speaker 1: ownership's ear and and and and forced like money to 173 00:10:04,280 --> 00:10:06,520 Speaker 1: be spent on old guys who will only set back 174 00:10:06,600 --> 00:10:09,599 Speaker 1: the rebuilding just to get SID a playoff series. I 175 00:10:10,080 --> 00:10:12,760 Speaker 1: think that would be just an egregious error. 176 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:17,000 Speaker 5: Honestly, I have the same fear as Mark. I just 177 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:19,000 Speaker 5: don't want to rush the rebuild yet. 178 00:10:19,080 --> 00:10:20,880 Speaker 1: I have a lot of fears about this sale, not 179 00:10:21,040 --> 00:10:22,679 Speaker 1: least that they had to go out and find more 180 00:10:22,720 --> 00:10:25,160 Speaker 1: money to do it after it fell apart. 181 00:10:25,200 --> 00:10:28,800 Speaker 2: Once, let's go to Denny. Denny, you're all in double. 182 00:10:28,640 --> 00:10:33,240 Speaker 3: M Hey, Mark, I guess I just wanted to ask. 183 00:10:33,320 --> 00:10:36,240 Speaker 3: I agree with you about Mario has got to be 184 00:10:36,360 --> 00:10:41,760 Speaker 3: part of this somehow. What role could he play? 185 00:10:41,920 --> 00:10:42,040 Speaker 1: Like? 186 00:10:42,280 --> 00:10:44,720 Speaker 2: Did you listen to a word? I said? Did you 187 00:10:44,760 --> 00:10:46,000 Speaker 2: listen to a word? I said? 188 00:10:46,720 --> 00:10:48,720 Speaker 1: The role he would play is to be at games 189 00:10:48,760 --> 00:10:52,600 Speaker 1: once in a while and be seen what you wanted 190 00:10:52,640 --> 00:10:53,960 Speaker 1: to be GM, you want to be coach? 191 00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:55,640 Speaker 2: I mean, what do you expect? 192 00:10:56,960 --> 00:11:00,880 Speaker 3: I thought something a title like, you know, special advisor 193 00:11:01,040 --> 00:11:02,079 Speaker 3: to the Hoffmann Group. 194 00:11:03,240 --> 00:11:07,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's cosmetic, Like do you want him to do 195 00:11:07,440 --> 00:11:10,040 Speaker 1: a job. But like, what, what do you want to 196 00:11:10,120 --> 00:11:10,800 Speaker 1: have him do? 197 00:11:14,640 --> 00:11:18,800 Speaker 5: I put him in the overspoof and advise the Hoffmin group. 198 00:11:18,559 --> 00:11:22,920 Speaker 2: On He doesn't want to do that. He sold the team. 199 00:11:23,280 --> 00:11:25,400 Speaker 1: If he still wanted to do that, he would not 200 00:11:25,480 --> 00:11:26,360 Speaker 1: have sold the team. 201 00:11:26,640 --> 00:11:29,080 Speaker 2: What don't you dumb mfors understand? 202 00:11:32,080 --> 00:11:35,600 Speaker 3: Well, then what just you just want him to come 203 00:11:35,640 --> 00:11:39,040 Speaker 3: to gamespoo. 204 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:41,920 Speaker 1: Yes not maybe his own boxes he still does occasionally. 205 00:11:42,160 --> 00:11:44,320 Speaker 1: I want him to be affiliated with the team, to 206 00:11:44,360 --> 00:11:47,520 Speaker 1: be close to the team, to be part of what's 207 00:11:47,559 --> 00:11:50,360 Speaker 1: going on on a peripheral level, because that's all he 208 00:11:50,400 --> 00:11:54,920 Speaker 1: wants to I don't understand what you expect. I mean, 209 00:11:54,960 --> 00:11:58,400 Speaker 1: for for F's sake, if he wanted to do something, 210 00:11:58,400 --> 00:12:02,839 Speaker 1: he would not have sold the team. He just wants 211 00:12:02,880 --> 00:12:05,480 Speaker 1: the team to show him the respect he's due, which 212 00:12:05,520 --> 00:12:09,120 Speaker 1: the FSD did not do. That is at a minimum, 213 00:12:09,360 --> 00:12:13,240 Speaker 1: and if that happens, everything else is gravy, you know 214 00:12:13,280 --> 00:12:15,560 Speaker 1: what I mean? Nothing else matters but that for them 215 00:12:15,559 --> 00:12:18,240 Speaker 1: to show him his due respect and for him to 216 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:21,120 Speaker 1: be involved on whatever level he wants. But it is 217 00:12:21,160 --> 00:12:23,080 Speaker 1: not to advise them on how to run the team, 218 00:12:23,160 --> 00:12:25,400 Speaker 1: or how to assemble the team or whatever. 219 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:28,120 Speaker 2: Let's go to our good friend the Hebrew ham or Hammer. 220 00:12:28,200 --> 00:12:33,480 Speaker 6: Yuck Shamash, Hey yuk shamash, Hey Mark, this group, this 221 00:12:33,640 --> 00:12:37,320 Speaker 6: Offfman group. Only a month or two or three ago, 222 00:12:37,480 --> 00:12:41,520 Speaker 6: they didn't have enough capital to make the purchase. That's 223 00:12:41,520 --> 00:12:45,080 Speaker 6: what I've been Does that worry you? 224 00:12:45,240 --> 00:12:48,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, I've said that a couple times since we opened 225 00:12:48,320 --> 00:12:51,480 Speaker 1: discussion on it. I was told the deal was dead 226 00:12:52,640 --> 00:12:54,800 Speaker 1: a month ago, and it was, and then they went 227 00:12:54,840 --> 00:12:58,040 Speaker 1: on got more money. They're reportedly worth two billion. They 228 00:12:58,040 --> 00:13:00,439 Speaker 1: paid over one point seven billion for the team. 229 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:02,560 Speaker 2: I don't know. I just don't like hearing that. 230 00:13:02,600 --> 00:13:05,880 Speaker 1: I hope I'm wrong, but I mean it seems sketchy 231 00:13:05,880 --> 00:13:11,160 Speaker 1: and we should not forget that f SG is a 232 00:13:11,160 --> 00:13:13,240 Speaker 1: professional sports ownership group. 233 00:13:13,280 --> 00:13:15,800 Speaker 2: It's what they do. These guys are rookies. 234 00:13:18,760 --> 00:13:21,000 Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't like it either. It seems it seems 235 00:13:21,240 --> 00:13:22,120 Speaker 6: real Schuestring. 236 00:13:22,559 --> 00:13:24,520 Speaker 1: Hey, last I don't. 237 00:13:25,640 --> 00:13:26,480 Speaker 2: I don't hate it. 238 00:13:26,559 --> 00:13:31,200 Speaker 1: I just think there's something there that is open to question. 239 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:33,679 Speaker 7: Yeah, I think the. 240 00:13:33,679 --> 00:13:36,360 Speaker 6: Term is hinky, but hey, you keep calling them the 241 00:13:36,480 --> 00:13:39,520 Speaker 6: ever Blades. I believe the term is ever Blades with 242 00:13:39,600 --> 00:13:39,800 Speaker 6: a G. 243 00:13:40,040 --> 00:13:41,559 Speaker 3: That's the proper term. 244 00:13:41,400 --> 00:13:44,000 Speaker 1: Right, But the hockey team they have blades on their skates, 245 00:13:44,040 --> 00:13:45,600 Speaker 1: hence ever blades. 246 00:13:45,679 --> 00:13:48,480 Speaker 2: That's your cue way. 247 00:13:49,559 --> 00:13:58,200 Speaker 1: Let's go real quick to uh sherm sherman with double M. 248 00:13:58,240 --> 00:14:00,599 Speaker 4: Hey uh, I just want to make a quick commented A. 249 00:14:01,320 --> 00:14:03,120 Speaker 4: I'm happy for Mario to get out of it because 250 00:14:03,160 --> 00:14:05,960 Speaker 4: he you know, he went bankruptcy twice and he gave 251 00:14:06,040 --> 00:14:10,199 Speaker 4: his whole life to the team, So I'm happy to Mario. 252 00:14:10,320 --> 00:14:15,480 Speaker 2: Never Mario never went bankrupt. Well that's what was re married. 253 00:14:15,559 --> 00:14:18,960 Speaker 1: No, no, it's not been reported, you freaking jackass. Mario's 254 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:22,200 Speaker 1: never gone bankrupt. He rescued the Dame from bankruptcy. You 255 00:14:22,360 --> 00:14:25,760 Speaker 1: stupid idiots. You're like everybody else talking about this. You 256 00:14:25,760 --> 00:14:28,280 Speaker 1: can't get anything right. Shut the freak up. Never call again. 257 00:14:28,520 --> 00:14:29,680 Speaker 1: One oh five ninety X. 258 00:14:30,800 --> 00:14:33,520 Speaker 6: It's The Woody Show weekday morning, six to ten. 259 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:39,360 Speaker 7: So it's that Tommy year Agan, isn't it. It's Bonnie 260 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:41,640 Speaker 7: Diver And yeah, the holidays are here and it's a 261 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:44,600 Speaker 7: crazy time. But you know what the bottom line about 262 00:14:44,640 --> 00:14:47,880 Speaker 7: what the holidays are all about connecting with your family, right, 263 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:50,240 Speaker 7: And sometimes it's really hard because we're all over the place. 264 00:14:50,680 --> 00:14:55,240 Speaker 7: My last living aunt, Aunt Cookie, lives in Cleveland. She's 265 00:14:55,360 --> 00:14:58,720 Speaker 7: ninety years old. She's slowing down a little bit, but 266 00:14:58,760 --> 00:15:01,120 Speaker 7: it's really important for us to connect up with her, 267 00:15:01,160 --> 00:15:02,640 Speaker 7: and especially during the holidays. 268 00:15:02,680 --> 00:15:02,840 Speaker 4: Now. 269 00:15:02,880 --> 00:15:05,880 Speaker 7: AT and T has been doing some really nice things 270 00:15:05,920 --> 00:15:10,440 Speaker 7: to try to help out. They're offering digital literacy workshops 271 00:15:10,640 --> 00:15:13,560 Speaker 7: that help older adults learn how to use technology to 272 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:16,120 Speaker 7: do things most of us take for granted, like video 273 00:15:16,200 --> 00:15:19,480 Speaker 7: conferencing and sharing photos. AT and T is not just 274 00:15:19,520 --> 00:15:22,800 Speaker 7: a tech provider, but a community partner, and it's helping 275 00:15:22,800 --> 00:15:25,600 Speaker 7: to make our holidays a little less stressful, a little 276 00:15:25,600 --> 00:15:29,200 Speaker 7: more joyful, and especially for older adults. Thank you AT 277 00:15:29,320 --> 00:15:32,680 Speaker 7: and T for bringing us closer together and happy holidays. 278 00:15:32,680 --> 00:15:37,560 Speaker 2: You guys, connecting changes everything. AT and T super genius, 279 00:15:37,760 --> 00:15:40,720 Speaker 2: Mark Matt, how you doing good? Mace is always a 280 00:15:40,760 --> 00:15:43,720 Speaker 2: component of any nice date. Thank you for making my day. 281 00:15:43,920 --> 00:15:47,160 Speaker 2: Yeah what you said the exit one oh five nine. 282 00:15:47,880 --> 00:15:50,160 Speaker 1: Joining me not live from Ottawa where it's a tough 283 00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:52,680 Speaker 1: place to do that. He covers the Penguins with the 284 00:15:52,720 --> 00:15:55,880 Speaker 1: Athletic Keys. Josh Joey, Josh, you wrote about the sale 285 00:15:55,920 --> 00:15:58,840 Speaker 1: from FSG to the Hoffman Group. To be honest, I'm 286 00:15:58,880 --> 00:16:03,760 Speaker 1: a bit worried the Hoffman Group isn't experienced sports owners, 287 00:16:04,200 --> 00:16:05,960 Speaker 1: and they seem a bit undercapitalized. 288 00:16:07,480 --> 00:16:11,360 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, Mark, I think the money is the biggest concern, 289 00:16:11,920 --> 00:16:14,680 Speaker 3: and understandably so for all that, I don't think people 290 00:16:15,040 --> 00:16:18,000 Speaker 3: felt a strong emotional connection with Fenway. The one good 291 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:21,560 Speaker 3: thing about Fenway was they had really, really deep pockets 292 00:16:21,640 --> 00:16:26,160 Speaker 3: and with that come stability. The Hoffman family, mean, listened, 293 00:16:26,160 --> 00:16:28,280 Speaker 3: They've been trying to buy the Penguins for months and 294 00:16:28,360 --> 00:16:30,480 Speaker 3: from I've from what I've been told that the biggest 295 00:16:30,480 --> 00:16:33,480 Speaker 3: hold up was simply that they didn't have enough cash 296 00:16:33,520 --> 00:16:35,160 Speaker 3: up front to make the sale go through. 297 00:16:35,320 --> 00:16:38,400 Speaker 1: Well, Josh, I was told the deal was dead, but 298 00:16:38,480 --> 00:16:40,600 Speaker 1: since then they went out and raised more money. 299 00:16:41,440 --> 00:16:45,400 Speaker 3: Right, so, you know, that's great that they're enthusiastic, but 300 00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:50,160 Speaker 3: I certainly worry about the finances. It kind of made 301 00:16:50,160 --> 00:16:52,760 Speaker 3: me think of Howard Baldwin way back when, who I 302 00:16:52,760 --> 00:16:55,160 Speaker 3: think had a lot of good intentions but didn't really 303 00:16:55,200 --> 00:16:57,720 Speaker 3: have the money to keep the early nineties Penguins together 304 00:16:57,760 --> 00:17:02,440 Speaker 3: and ultimately could not. And listen, I mean, they just 305 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:04,719 Speaker 3: spent an enormous amount of money for the Penguins and 306 00:17:04,760 --> 00:17:07,640 Speaker 3: it's not like the Penguins are profitable right now. There's 307 00:17:07,640 --> 00:17:10,640 Speaker 3: a lot of empty seats that they're not really making 308 00:17:10,720 --> 00:17:14,200 Speaker 3: a ton of money as it is. So it's you now, listen. 309 00:17:14,320 --> 00:17:16,600 Speaker 3: I've not heard anything bad about these people at all. 310 00:17:17,200 --> 00:17:20,720 Speaker 3: I'm sure their intentions are good, but just financially, Yeah, 311 00:17:20,760 --> 00:17:22,760 Speaker 3: I think the fact. 312 00:17:22,600 --> 00:17:26,280 Speaker 1: Josh, the Penguins cost one point seven bill, the Google 313 00:17:26,359 --> 00:17:29,960 Speaker 1: machine says the Hoppin Group's worth two billion. Those two 314 00:17:29,960 --> 00:17:32,960 Speaker 1: figures are a bit too close for my comfort. It 315 00:17:33,119 --> 00:17:36,639 Speaker 1: just just seems shaky. And we didn't realize Bob Nutting 316 00:17:36,920 --> 00:17:39,320 Speaker 1: was Bob Nutting until he came in and started being 317 00:17:39,320 --> 00:17:39,919 Speaker 1: Bob Nutting. 318 00:17:40,920 --> 00:17:43,560 Speaker 3: No, exactly, that's right. So no, I mean there are 319 00:17:43,640 --> 00:17:47,399 Speaker 3: legitimate questions. I think that need could be asked. And 320 00:17:47,440 --> 00:17:50,440 Speaker 3: like I said, I mean Fenway, for all I wrote 321 00:17:50,480 --> 00:17:52,679 Speaker 3: in my article yesterday they were very corporate and that 322 00:17:52,840 --> 00:17:55,760 Speaker 3: a lot of people in Pittsburgh didn't love that that 323 00:17:55,800 --> 00:17:59,880 Speaker 3: they're not the city. No, and I don't think they tried. 324 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:02,840 Speaker 3: I don't think that's how they do business. But they 325 00:18:02,880 --> 00:18:06,080 Speaker 3: also are worth like fifteen billion dollars or something to 326 00:18:06,119 --> 00:18:08,280 Speaker 3: that effect. So you never had to worry about the 327 00:18:08,320 --> 00:18:11,719 Speaker 3: electric bill not being paid that month with Fenway if 328 00:18:11,760 --> 00:18:13,920 Speaker 3: they wanted to spend even though the Penguins don't spend 329 00:18:13,960 --> 00:18:17,160 Speaker 3: to the cap right now. Kyle Dubas had complete authority 330 00:18:17,160 --> 00:18:19,000 Speaker 3: to spend to the cap if he wanted to. He 331 00:18:19,080 --> 00:18:20,920 Speaker 3: just didn't think it was in the Penguin's best interest 332 00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:22,800 Speaker 3: right now because he didn't want to tie himself up 333 00:18:23,080 --> 00:18:25,080 Speaker 3: a couple of years from now, which I think is smart. 334 00:18:25,320 --> 00:18:28,560 Speaker 2: You clear your roster and you potentially slow. 335 00:18:28,359 --> 00:18:33,440 Speaker 3: The rebuild exactly so, And there's so many issues now 336 00:18:33,440 --> 00:18:35,720 Speaker 3: that come up. I mean, listen, these people don't have 337 00:18:35,760 --> 00:18:38,360 Speaker 3: as much money as spend way. I would imagine they'll 338 00:18:38,400 --> 00:18:40,480 Speaker 3: want to start making money on the Penguins right away. 339 00:18:40,640 --> 00:18:43,320 Speaker 3: So does that mean they're going to like the Dubas 340 00:18:43,320 --> 00:18:44,960 Speaker 3: rebuild plan on how long it might take? 341 00:18:45,040 --> 00:18:45,520 Speaker 2: I don't know. 342 00:18:45,800 --> 00:18:50,199 Speaker 1: Worries me is that pat Poisson, Said's agent, gets in 343 00:18:50,280 --> 00:18:52,960 Speaker 1: Hoffman's ear and says, we need to win right now 344 00:18:53,000 --> 00:18:55,399 Speaker 1: for sid don't you want to win right now? And 345 00:18:55,440 --> 00:18:58,920 Speaker 1: then it alters the pace of the rebuilding. 346 00:19:00,119 --> 00:19:04,040 Speaker 3: Could And that's why so much of the Penguin's fortunes 347 00:19:04,080 --> 00:19:07,000 Speaker 3: to me go back to Kyle Dubas because he has 348 00:19:07,080 --> 00:19:10,439 Speaker 3: so much power here, but he still deals with the 349 00:19:10,440 --> 00:19:14,160 Speaker 3: pressure of pat Erson in his year in the Crosby situation, 350 00:19:14,520 --> 00:19:16,480 Speaker 3: and a lot of people say, a screw that, you 351 00:19:16,520 --> 00:19:18,080 Speaker 3: got to just worry about the rebuild, but you know 352 00:19:18,119 --> 00:19:20,359 Speaker 3: it's not that easy when you're dealing with a living 353 00:19:20,440 --> 00:19:23,639 Speaker 3: legend on your roster. That there is a lot to 354 00:19:23,680 --> 00:19:26,440 Speaker 3: consider for DUBIS and whoever the owner is is interesting 355 00:19:26,520 --> 00:19:29,439 Speaker 3: because hey, that's Kyle. Dubas is one boss, and I 356 00:19:29,480 --> 00:19:32,840 Speaker 3: know that Fenway gave him free reign basically to do 357 00:19:32,880 --> 00:19:35,360 Speaker 3: whatever he wanted. They were about his hands off as 358 00:19:35,359 --> 00:19:38,439 Speaker 3: it could get. I'm fascinated to see how the Hoffmann 359 00:19:38,480 --> 00:19:39,440 Speaker 3: family will approach this. 360 00:19:39,920 --> 00:19:41,480 Speaker 2: I thought, FST you gotta bum wrap. 361 00:19:41,520 --> 00:19:44,640 Speaker 1: I mean, they mangled in situation with Mario and that's unforgivable. 362 00:19:45,119 --> 00:19:47,240 Speaker 1: I didn't like that they re upped Malkin of the Tang, 363 00:19:47,280 --> 00:19:50,880 Speaker 1: but the fans wanted that, so again, I can't criticize 364 00:19:51,119 --> 00:19:54,359 Speaker 1: FSD too much. Now, the big question everybody's talking about 365 00:19:54,480 --> 00:19:58,920 Speaker 1: is Mario. I want Mario back. He's the reason we're 366 00:19:58,920 --> 00:20:02,400 Speaker 1: all here. It has to happen, but it won't expedite 367 00:20:02,440 --> 00:20:06,119 Speaker 1: winning or affect the hockey at all. He never was 368 00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:07,960 Speaker 1: involved in hockey ops. I think he had a phony 369 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:10,640 Speaker 1: asked title at one point, like Director of Hockey ops 370 00:20:11,280 --> 00:20:14,600 Speaker 1: like I can recall one time for sure when he 371 00:20:14,680 --> 00:20:17,040 Speaker 1: was involved with the move, and that was the acquisition 372 00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:17,640 Speaker 1: of Host. 373 00:20:17,800 --> 00:20:20,800 Speaker 3: Eight, right, that's where you know he gave it the 374 00:20:20,800 --> 00:20:26,200 Speaker 3: green light very enthusiastically. But no, I called Fenway hands off, 375 00:20:26,280 --> 00:20:29,480 Speaker 3: but that's nothing on Mario, who was the ultimate hands 376 00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:34,200 Speaker 3: off owner. Mario's genius as an owner was two different things. 377 00:20:34,240 --> 00:20:37,000 Speaker 3: He knew the right people to hire, and he knew 378 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:40,280 Speaker 3: he had to be around enough that his presence was felt. 379 00:20:40,320 --> 00:20:42,639 Speaker 3: And he understood what his presence did the people that 380 00:20:42,800 --> 00:20:44,880 Speaker 3: made people work harder. And that's what you need. 381 00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:46,880 Speaker 2: Now, you need that presence if that's what he. 382 00:20:46,840 --> 00:20:49,480 Speaker 3: Wants, Yes, yeah, And I think that was the one friend. 383 00:20:49,600 --> 00:20:52,480 Speaker 3: Fenway didn't even have a person living in Pittsburgh, which 384 00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:54,280 Speaker 3: I never thought was a great look and never made 385 00:20:54,320 --> 00:20:56,399 Speaker 3: it look like they took the penguins that Seriously, I 386 00:20:56,400 --> 00:20:58,639 Speaker 3: don't think Fenway did anything wrong by the way. They 387 00:20:58,640 --> 00:21:03,120 Speaker 3: weren't bad owners at all. But you know, Mario had listen. 388 00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:05,119 Speaker 3: Mario was Mario, so he was always going to have 389 00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:08,320 Speaker 3: an impact that nobody else in Pittsburgh in half. But 390 00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:11,560 Speaker 3: I will say this, if I'm the Hoffman family, he's 391 00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:15,600 Speaker 3: literally the first phone call at make if PR means anything, 392 00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:18,120 Speaker 3: No question, PR means anything at all. Having him around. 393 00:21:18,200 --> 00:21:20,840 Speaker 3: He is the Penguins. There's never been an athlete more 394 00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:23,560 Speaker 3: synonymous with the franchise in him, so to have him 395 00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:24,760 Speaker 3: around can only help him. 396 00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:27,080 Speaker 1: Mario rallies the fans just by showing up once in 397 00:21:27,080 --> 00:21:28,960 Speaker 1: the while. But it's what he wants to do. And 398 00:21:29,040 --> 00:21:32,119 Speaker 1: Fenway didn't mangle with him, and you know it was 399 00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:36,040 Speaker 1: on them to repair the chasm, and as it is 400 00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:39,760 Speaker 1: with Hoffman right now, but it won't mean winning quicker. 401 00:21:40,560 --> 00:21:44,080 Speaker 1: People are out there acting misrepresenting what he did during 402 00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:47,480 Speaker 1: his ownership. If he wanted to run the team, Josh, 403 00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:49,439 Speaker 1: he would never have sold it correct. 404 00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:53,400 Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I assure you. Mario was not Jerry Jones. 405 00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:57,160 Speaker 3: He was not sitting around the draft table figuring out 406 00:21:57,160 --> 00:21:59,160 Speaker 3: what they were going to do. That that was never 407 00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:03,600 Speaker 3: his thing. As he let David Morehouse run the business 408 00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:06,600 Speaker 3: side and he let Ray Shiro or Jim Brutherford or 409 00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:10,360 Speaker 3: whoever run the hockey team. He had very little influency. 410 00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:12,840 Speaker 3: He always let them spend to the cap and he 411 00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:14,960 Speaker 3: just showed up and was Mario. And you know he 412 00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:16,680 Speaker 3: would show up to some meetings and do what he 413 00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:19,880 Speaker 3: had to do, But anybody who thinks he had any 414 00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:24,040 Speaker 3: real influence on the hockey decisions is very sadly mistaken. 415 00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:26,600 Speaker 1: And by the way, Mario, who has been at the 416 00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:29,040 Speaker 1: home games recently with Sid near his record, but he 417 00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:31,600 Speaker 1: is not an outaw with tonight. So I assume if 418 00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:33,600 Speaker 1: Sid breaks the record on the road, Mario will be 419 00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:36,240 Speaker 1: there at the next home game to help celebrate. We're 420 00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:39,040 Speaker 1: talking to Josh Owey of the Athletic here on one 421 00:22:39,040 --> 00:22:42,160 Speaker 1: oh five nine the X Josh turning Moore current. Are 422 00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:45,600 Speaker 1: these Penguins ever going to win another game? And what 423 00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:49,119 Speaker 1: has taught the most wrong in this this losing streak? 424 00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:53,560 Speaker 3: Well, I suspect to win another game at some point, 425 00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:56,000 Speaker 3: although I will tell you that boy, I was thinking 426 00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:57,959 Speaker 3: back to all of my years on the beat, and 427 00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:01,200 Speaker 3: I don't recall writing about many wins in Ottawa. They 428 00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:04,520 Speaker 3: do not play well in this building almost never, for 429 00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:08,240 Speaker 3: whatever reason. And Archer, she loves, is between the pipes 430 00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:10,480 Speaker 3: to night. He's lost nine of his last ten starts. 431 00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:14,439 Speaker 3: So it sounds a little ominous on the surface, and 432 00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:16,320 Speaker 3: I don't want to go to the opera. 433 00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:17,960 Speaker 2: It sounds all the way through. 434 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:21,760 Speaker 1: I feel like the foul playing pretty much. 435 00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:24,840 Speaker 3: I can tell you that their biggest problem in the 436 00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:27,959 Speaker 3: last two weeks has been protecting leads. You already know that, 437 00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:31,320 Speaker 3: but to break it down a little further, just the 438 00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:34,960 Speaker 3: lack of any situational hockey, which is something that has 439 00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:38,920 Speaker 3: plagued them for years. It's really really weird. It's ugly 440 00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:42,320 Speaker 3: head to me in recent games, and it's just an 441 00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:45,400 Speaker 3: enormous problem. I don't know if it's because there's people 442 00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:47,520 Speaker 3: out of the lineup. Not only do they miss have 443 00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:49,760 Speaker 3: Anny Malkin, who's missed six games in her own they've 444 00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:52,240 Speaker 3: lost all six. I don't think that's completely a coincidence, 445 00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:54,639 Speaker 3: But I think a guy like Blake Lazada out of 446 00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:56,760 Speaker 3: the lineup has been a really big deal. He's one 447 00:23:56,760 --> 00:23:58,480 Speaker 3: of the guys who plays like an adult when you 448 00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:00,600 Speaker 3: have a lead in the third period. They don't have 449 00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:03,480 Speaker 3: enough with that right now. So just the general lack 450 00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:06,120 Speaker 3: of situational hockey, Shooting the puck over the glass when 451 00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:09,480 Speaker 3: you're already shorthanded, just kind of those kinds of mistakes 452 00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:11,879 Speaker 3: are just killing them. Other than the Edmonton game, I 453 00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:14,960 Speaker 3: don't think they've been overwhelmed or overmatched. Now that's what 454 00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:17,080 Speaker 3: happened against Edmonton, but I don't think that's been the 455 00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:19,160 Speaker 3: case in these other games. That's really self inflicted. 456 00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:23,040 Speaker 1: Well, the trickle down from Geno and Lozatviiano has been 457 00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:26,560 Speaker 1: a real bad bottom six. And I don't think Hughes 458 00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:29,000 Speaker 1: has covered himself in glory here either. I think he's 459 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:31,679 Speaker 1: had a really weak stretch, and part of it is 460 00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:34,600 Speaker 1: he trusts the bad veterans. 461 00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:35,280 Speaker 2: Over the kids. 462 00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:36,840 Speaker 1: Like at the end of the San Jose game, he 463 00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:39,119 Speaker 1: has Hazy in that line out there, those bunch of 464 00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:44,320 Speaker 1: bumps out there protecting the lead against Celebriny and Smith. Now, 465 00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:47,760 Speaker 1: I understand if Sid's not you know, if Sid's winded 466 00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:49,440 Speaker 1: that line, somebody's gonna go out there. 467 00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:50,960 Speaker 2: But why do not let the kids try it? 468 00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:53,560 Speaker 1: See if our kids can beat their kids and get 469 00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:57,120 Speaker 1: them that experience. Because I kept getting told this year 470 00:24:57,200 --> 00:25:00,399 Speaker 1: was about developmental and I see that slipping away. 471 00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:04,480 Speaker 3: Well. I was talking with somebody in the organization yesterday 472 00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:08,160 Speaker 3: who said to me, you know, why is Kevin Hayes 473 00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:11,520 Speaker 3: and Danton Heinen in the bottom six when Tristan Brose 474 00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:14,000 Speaker 3: is right there for you and he's ready to play. 475 00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:17,960 Speaker 3: And it's a valid question. Dan muses here for people 476 00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:21,320 Speaker 3: like Tristan Bros. He specializes in developing guys in their 477 00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:24,320 Speaker 3: teens in early twenties and the good NHL players. And 478 00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:26,560 Speaker 3: you watch Hayes and Heinen. Not to pick on those two, 479 00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:27,960 Speaker 3: but you watch those. 480 00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:30,480 Speaker 2: You know, I'm going to stink. 481 00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:35,040 Speaker 1: And Heinen has easily moved down to wil because he's 482 00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:35,760 Speaker 1: been there before. 483 00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:39,399 Speaker 3: Yes, yes, just the lack of intensity, the lack of 484 00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:43,440 Speaker 3: speed they play with, frankly, the lack of defensive acumen 485 00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:47,080 Speaker 3: at times as well. It's hurting the Penguins right now. 486 00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:48,480 Speaker 3: There's no question about that. 487 00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:48,760 Speaker 5: I know. 488 00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:51,200 Speaker 3: There's only so many guys and books where you don't 489 00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:53,440 Speaker 3: want to bring the whole cavalry. At the exact same time, 490 00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:56,080 Speaker 3: you got a couple of guys down there that you know, 491 00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:58,959 Speaker 3: Bros and Avery Hayes. Those are literally guys who are 492 00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:02,760 Speaker 3: supposed to become at bottom six NHL players, that's the projection, 493 00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:06,200 Speaker 3: and they're thriving in Wilkesbury and it's turning the Penguins 494 00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:06,720 Speaker 3: right now and. 495 00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:08,280 Speaker 2: They're losing that kid energy. 496 00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:10,840 Speaker 1: I mean, they still have Kendall and McGroarty in there, 497 00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:14,160 Speaker 1: Coyvid and some nights, but they mangled Brudick Brunig's played 498 00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:16,679 Speaker 1: like a handful of games in the past eight weeks 499 00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:17,720 Speaker 1: and that's stupid. 500 00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:19,479 Speaker 2: They should have sent them back to junior. 501 00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:23,040 Speaker 1: And they've just got blinded by having that good start 502 00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:26,400 Speaker 1: and being a playoff contention, and it's like they want 503 00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:30,200 Speaker 1: to scratch out that eighth seed, which shouldn't be important 504 00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:30,520 Speaker 1: at all. 505 00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:36,040 Speaker 3: Well, and there's nothing wrong with making the playoffs this season, 506 00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:38,760 Speaker 3: but I think one thing that people have missed like 507 00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:41,240 Speaker 3: this isn't as young of a team as people think, 508 00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:44,040 Speaker 3: and other than Kendall, for most of the season, it 509 00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:47,400 Speaker 3: hasn't been young players really making a difference. It's been 510 00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:50,920 Speaker 3: the old guys like Malcolm and Carlson playing much better 511 00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:54,080 Speaker 3: than the year before, which is fine. Now, Kendall's been wonderful, 512 00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:56,119 Speaker 3: and I think right now, really if you look at 513 00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:58,800 Speaker 3: this losing streak, I would suggest that Kendall and Rutger 514 00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:01,200 Speaker 3: McGroarty have been two of their five best players. They've 515 00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:03,080 Speaker 3: actually been really good. You feel good about them when 516 00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:05,560 Speaker 3: those two were on the ice, which makes you wonder 517 00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:08,280 Speaker 3: if maybe you shouldn't bring a couple of more old 518 00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:11,440 Speaker 3: guys or younger guys up rather, especially Mark with this schedule. 519 00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:15,040 Speaker 3: They are playing every other day now with his Olympic 520 00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:17,800 Speaker 3: condemned schedule. That's not great for older players. You need 521 00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:19,760 Speaker 3: young players in the lineup right now. With the schedule 522 00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:22,320 Speaker 3: it's as busy, they probably don't have enough of them. 523 00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:26,520 Speaker 2: What's your first take on Stu Skinner and Bright Kulak? 524 00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:32,200 Speaker 3: Boy, it's hard to gauge Skinner after a game against 525 00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:34,720 Speaker 3: the Oilers. I don't think many goalies would have done 526 00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:37,240 Speaker 3: better when you've got five on threes all night against 527 00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:40,359 Speaker 3: that team. He's not a great athlete Skinner. 528 00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:41,480 Speaker 1: You know. 529 00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:43,679 Speaker 3: You can see that just from watching him in practice. 530 00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:46,800 Speaker 3: He's a big guy. He's not somebody who's gonna move 531 00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:49,520 Speaker 3: side to side the way even a Tristan Jari would 532 00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:51,399 Speaker 3: was a pretty good athlete. So against a team like 533 00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:55,320 Speaker 3: the Oilers, probably a tough matchup. We'll see Kulak. He 534 00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:57,760 Speaker 3: took the one bad penalty on the at the lay 535 00:27:57,800 --> 00:27:59,800 Speaker 3: of game. I think he's okay though. I think he's 536 00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:02,359 Speaker 3: an upgrade over Ryan Graves. He's a guy who can 537 00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:07,080 Speaker 3: really skate, who's got a lot of experience, so he's better. 538 00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:10,840 Speaker 2: Than what they had. Put it that way, where does 539 00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:11,560 Speaker 2: this go from here? 540 00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:14,639 Speaker 1: I don't see them as a playoff team yet because 541 00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:17,159 Speaker 1: of the magic of the loser point, they are just 542 00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:19,520 Speaker 1: a couple of points out. They have this either the 543 00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:21,960 Speaker 1: fewest or second fewest losses. I haven't seen the update 544 00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:25,639 Speaker 1: in regulation in the Eastern Conference. It is just a 545 00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:29,960 Speaker 1: weird situation that management and coaching could interpret so many ways, 546 00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:31,840 Speaker 1: and my fear is they'll interpret it the wrong way. 547 00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:36,760 Speaker 3: It's weird. They also have one of the fewest amount 548 00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:39,240 Speaker 3: of wins in the Eastern Conference because all they do 549 00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:43,800 Speaker 3: is lose an extra time. I wouldn't exclude them from 550 00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:46,480 Speaker 3: the playoff race by any stretch. I will say this, 551 00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:50,800 Speaker 3: I think the next week is really crucial and we're 552 00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:53,560 Speaker 3: going to learn a lot. The schedule's not easy. Three 553 00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:55,640 Speaker 3: of their next four games are in Ottawa and Montreal 554 00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:58,440 Speaker 3: and in Toronto, three places they historically do not play well. 555 00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:03,360 Speaker 3: If they go into the holiday break, you know, having 556 00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:05,080 Speaker 3: lost nine out of ten or ten in a row, 557 00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:09,160 Speaker 3: which is possible, then at that point you know it's 558 00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:11,959 Speaker 3: going to feel like a full on collapse, quite frankly, 559 00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:15,360 Speaker 3: So the quicker they can get it together and get 560 00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:17,800 Speaker 3: a couple of wins, the better they will be. I 561 00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:21,120 Speaker 3: will tell you. They don't feel like a rattled hockey 562 00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:23,520 Speaker 3: team in the locker room. They really don't. There was 563 00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:25,120 Speaker 3: like a lucy goosey attitude. 564 00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:27,800 Speaker 2: It's bad. If they're not rattled by this, then they 565 00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:28,760 Speaker 2: just don't give a freak. 566 00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:32,160 Speaker 3: Well, I don't know. If it's sad. It's the young 567 00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:35,040 Speaker 3: guys who just they seem okay like they now maybe 568 00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:36,760 Speaker 3: I don't know what that means. That maybe they're happy 569 00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:38,360 Speaker 3: their dads are on the dad's trip and they're all 570 00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:39,040 Speaker 3: just in a good boot. 571 00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:39,360 Speaker 4: I don't. 572 00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:41,720 Speaker 2: Oh, God death if I forgot about that. 573 00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:45,720 Speaker 3: It is the dad's trip. Yes, so I believe they're 574 00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:48,600 Speaker 3: curling as we speak. In fact, so maybe that will 575 00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:51,360 Speaker 3: bring some good luck. I don't know. But and listen, 576 00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:53,040 Speaker 3: it's not like Ottawa's any good by the way. 577 00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:56,000 Speaker 2: This isn't something and they're lost. Just sucks. 578 00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:58,640 Speaker 1: They were supposed to be good by now and there. Yeah, 579 00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:04,000 Speaker 1: and they're not what I think, Josh, here's my prediction. Here, 580 00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:06,120 Speaker 1: here will be the time. Here's the time. I kind 581 00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:10,080 Speaker 1: of fear, and the new ownership puts even another potential 582 00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:13,040 Speaker 1: spin on it. I think if they're definitely out of 583 00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:16,720 Speaker 1: the playoffs at the deadline and Kyle does the right thing, 584 00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:19,960 Speaker 1: it will turn the season into an absolute excreman show. 585 00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:22,440 Speaker 1: I don't know what ownership wants or what they'll do. 586 00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:26,680 Speaker 1: I fear what Sid's agent will say. It's like the 587 00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:28,200 Speaker 1: best thing would have been if they would have lost 588 00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:30,640 Speaker 1: ten straight to start the season, because we all could 589 00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:31,960 Speaker 1: have girded our loins. 590 00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:37,760 Speaker 3: Well. I mean, it's just a confusing season, isn't it. 591 00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:41,800 Speaker 3: And I don't envy Kyle do but I don't. But 592 00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:45,360 Speaker 3: the fact is, if they continue to stumble, if they're 593 00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:47,600 Speaker 3: eight points out of a playoff spot, when the deadline comes, 594 00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:51,360 Speaker 3: the right thing to do is to sell, whether Sid 595 00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:54,440 Speaker 3: likes it or whether Pepperson likes it or not. And 596 00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:57,920 Speaker 3: they've got a lot of very attractive players. And I 597 00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:00,840 Speaker 3: would now throw Eric Carlson into that, this mark that 598 00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:06,720 Speaker 3: a lot of playoff teams would want. Somebody will take 599 00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:07,120 Speaker 3: him the way. 600 00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:10,120 Speaker 2: And don't forget his contract was front loaded. You have 601 00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:12,360 Speaker 2: to take on his cap pit. But actual cash paid 602 00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:14,680 Speaker 2: out is diminishing. Is his contract years. 603 00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:17,640 Speaker 3: And is in no? Oh no, they could and listen, 604 00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:19,600 Speaker 3: they have fifty three million in cap space next year. 605 00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:21,360 Speaker 3: They could even retain some of his money if they 606 00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:24,280 Speaker 3: got something really big in return, so listen, it could 607 00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:27,120 Speaker 3: turn in one of many directions for the Penguins. We 608 00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:28,760 Speaker 3: didn't expect them to play as well as they did 609 00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:31,400 Speaker 3: in the first six weeks, but now all of a sudden, 610 00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:33,320 Speaker 3: they're looking like the team we thought they might be. 611 00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:36,240 Speaker 3: And that becomes a real problem because you're not going 612 00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:38,880 Speaker 3: to get some top five pick in the draft back season. 613 00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:40,760 Speaker 3: So who knows where it goes from here. But as 614 00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:43,560 Speaker 3: we always say, Mark, they are never boring. They're certainly 615 00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:44,400 Speaker 3: not boring right now. 616 00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:46,840 Speaker 2: Josh and enjoy Ottawa. 617 00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:48,720 Speaker 3: I know that's not possible, but give it a whirl 618 00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:51,640 Speaker 3: Montreal in a couple of nights, it'll be fine. 619 00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:53,959 Speaker 2: There you go. That's Josh Joey. I'm Mark Madden.