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Speaker 1: Bill Cunningham, the Great American, has always my honor to

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Speaker 1: and the new book is out. But I also want

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Speaker 1: to mention that Bill O'Reilly and Stephen A. Smith are

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Speaker 1: hosted by Chris Cuomo News Nation to talk about iguinst

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Speaker 1: the current events and what's going on and Bill O'Reilly

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Speaker 1: once again, welcome to the Bill Cunningham Show. And Bill,

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Speaker 1: first of all, I would be remiss if I didn't

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Speaker 1: get from you. Some of the evil in the world

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Speaker 1: the incapability of the mainstream media actually give President Trump

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Speaker 1: any credit. Where does this rank if you would write

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Speaker 1: a book on this subject, maybe in two or three

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Speaker 2: Well, I think that the president has accomplished a great

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Speaker 2: going forward. So on the cover of my book, Confronting

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Speaker 2: He's on the cover with Putin, with Mao Zetongue and

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Speaker 1: You know, Genghis Khand, Adolf Hitler, you have Vladimir Putin,

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Speaker 2: But in our society, Bill we're seeing arrives in evil

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Speaker 1: He has a sense as to what to do that's right,

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Speaker 2: He killed his own people. There are already a million

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Speaker 2: So I was at Yankee Stadium my nine to eleven

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Speaker 1: You saying your book Confronting Evil, that the concept of

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Speaker 2: Well, Jengis Khan conquered more territory than any human being

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Speaker 2: Well, I watch Taiwan, but they can't destroy their economy

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Speaker 2: and that's the strength that the United States holds over them.

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Speaker 2: So you go one point five billion people in China,

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Speaker 2: AMEX card. No, okay, these to be about to eat.

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Speaker 1: I did not want to leave this.

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Speaker 2: People can't eat, then they can't control them.

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Speaker 1: And jeezul ping could have suffered from lead poisoning.

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Speaker 2: Uh. Let's I'm much more optimistic about Trump making a

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Speaker 1: Looks like Trump can make a deal with a mass

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Speaker 1: tell us about Colligo Colliguilla am I saying that correctly

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Speaker 2: Reason the Roman Empire dissolved and uh, the most popul

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Speaker 2: Nero and a champion. I mean, when you're murdering people

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Speaker 1: We could spend all day with you confronting evil. I

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Speaker 1: hope you got several more left in You've been doing

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Speaker 1: media for about fifty years with great success. The number

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Speaker 1: one seller of nonfiction books in the world is Bill O'Reilly.

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Speaker 1: And once again, Bill O'Reilly, thanks for coming on the

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Speaker 1: Bill Cunningham Show. And Bill, you're a great American to

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Speaker 1: keep doing what you're doing.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for having me. Bill, we'll talk soon.

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Speaker 1: God bless you. Thank you very much. I let's continue

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Speaker 1: with more some nasty characters, and I think among the

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Speaker 1: nastiest characters are Vladimir Putin right now and of course

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Speaker 1: the iy Tola who spawned Hamas and Hesbala, Boca, haram

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Speaker 1: Isis and all the rest. And it was all done

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Speaker 1: in the name of God, that God wanted this to happen.

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