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Speaker 1: individual in self preservation mode. Good morning, Sunday Sermons nine

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Speaker 1: We have a lot to do discuss on this tweener

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Speaker 2: For other people to speak up on his behalf. Was

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Speaker 4: I mean there's just there's rumors, but not anything from reporters. Yeah, okay,

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Speaker 2: It just doesn't. It's not the way it works.

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Speaker 1: But it's become the story over the last forty eight

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Speaker 1: I I thought what we had been reported on May

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Speaker 1: This is from Brandon out of New Mexico. Longtime listener.

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Speaker 3: We can do that.

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Speaker 2: We can see we have no guests.

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Speaker 1: They should have known that a guy who's known for numbers,

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Speaker 2: So Bud is.

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Speaker 1: be willing to sacrifice. He purportedly eight what appeared to

438
00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:53,800
Speaker 1: be baby poop out of a diaper to make the point.

439
00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:57,320
Speaker 1: It wasn't, but that was the story that was told

440
00:29:57,360 --> 00:29:59,800
Speaker 1: by some players at the time. That gives you some

441
00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:05,560
Speaker 1: eye idea of how clownish less Steckel was. So what

442
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:08,640
Speaker 1: do you do? We got to go to a player's coach,

443
00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:11,520
Speaker 1: Jerry Burns, who we should have given the job in

444
00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:15,440
Speaker 1: the first place. Burnsy doesn't play those kinds of games.

445
00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:19,840
Speaker 1: Burnsy understands how to coach. He understands, you know, the

446
00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:21,640
Speaker 1: x's and o's of it, and he knows how to

447
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:28,400
Speaker 1: handle people. We'll play for Burnsy. How'd that work out?

448
00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:29,120
Speaker 2: Well?

449
00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:32,840
Speaker 1: Good runs Unfortunately kept running into the forty nine ers

450
00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:35,880
Speaker 1: and Joe Montana and Steve Young, and you say, well,

451
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:39,680
Speaker 1: that's just more about a dynasty that you're up against

452
00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:41,840
Speaker 1: than it is that you failed. But then ultimately the

453
00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:47,240
Speaker 1: decision was Burnsy did not get that. The players eventually

454
00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:52,360
Speaker 1: took advantage of Burnsy being a player's coach, right, you know,

455
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:55,840
Speaker 1: we need we need a new sheriff in town is

456
00:30:55,840 --> 00:31:00,360
Speaker 1: what we need, And we got one, Deddy Green. He

457
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:02,680
Speaker 1: took over in January of nineteen ninety two, and the

458
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:07,160
Speaker 1: feeling was he's not going to care how peedigreed some

459
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:08,840
Speaker 1: of these players are. He's going to hold him to

460
00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:13,360
Speaker 1: a higher standard. And by the way, he got someplace again,

461
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:15,720
Speaker 1: couldn't get to the super Bowl. We don't need to

462
00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:17,960
Speaker 1: go through all of the history, but we that's what

463
00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:23,040
Speaker 1: at the time, at the start Denny represented. Then you

464
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:24,640
Speaker 1: get at the end of the Denny run, it was

465
00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:27,480
Speaker 1: almost like, well, there were some players taking advantage of him,

466
00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:30,800
Speaker 1: and his reputation had changed over that period of time

467
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:33,160
Speaker 1: and it kind of had run its course. So then

468
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:37,840
Speaker 1: we get Mike Tice, then we get Brad Childress, and

469
00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:41,360
Speaker 1: Childress again was viewed as what too autocratic?

470
00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:43,080
Speaker 2: Two dictatorial, even though.

471
00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:48,600
Speaker 1: You know, if not for the throw across the body pass,

472
00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:51,280
Speaker 1: maybe we are in the Super Bowl and maybe Brad

473
00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:54,240
Speaker 1: Childress wins one. But by the end of his run,

474
00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:59,480
Speaker 1: it was suffocating us. You know what we need, We

475
00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:06,120
Speaker 1: need a play coach. Leslie Fraser personified it. Classy guy,

476
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:13,000
Speaker 1: knows the game, good defensive mind, the whole bit. But

477
00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:16,080
Speaker 1: by the end of that run, what was it. We're

478
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:18,040
Speaker 1: done with the whole players coach thing. It was nice

479
00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:20,400
Speaker 1: while it lasted, but the players took advantage of less.

480
00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:26,680
Speaker 1: Let's get a hard ass, and we got Zim and

481
00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:31,000
Speaker 1: we loved it at first, crusty but effect him. Eventually

482
00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:34,200
Speaker 1: that blew up, why because well, he's turning into Captain Quig.

483
00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:37,560
Speaker 1: He's too paranoid. Everybody's out to get him the whole bit.

484
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:41,080
Speaker 1: So we get collaborator guy, right, we get Kevin O'Connell.

485
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:47,920
Speaker 1: I bring this long rambling dissertation up, this preamble to

486
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:52,600
Speaker 1: lead to what we did when we replaced Rick Spielman

487
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:58,480
Speaker 1: with Quazy. Spielman was viewed as sort of the classic

488
00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:03,560
Speaker 1: personnel guy brought up in the game scouts, the whole

489
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:07,080
Speaker 1: bit that you know, standards as you'd like, as you

490
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:11,400
Speaker 1: might expect, immersed in it. And then we said to ourselves,

491
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:12,960
Speaker 1: all right, well we thought out of the box a

492
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:16,120
Speaker 1: little bit with Koc in a way, who can we

493
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:19,600
Speaker 1: have to collaborate with him? Let's get a guy who

494
00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:22,200
Speaker 1: didn't grow up in all of this. Maybe he can

495
00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:25,480
Speaker 1: see the forest for the trees. Maybe he can even

496
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:28,120
Speaker 1: he has some ideas that are just as effective, maybe

497
00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:33,440
Speaker 1: even more effective, without that sort of group think approach

498
00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:39,440
Speaker 1: that sometimes traps lifelong football people in their decision making.

499
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:42,360
Speaker 1: The way one could say, if you want to criticize Spielman,

500
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Speaker 1: even though he's drafted several of the best players on

501
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:50,320
Speaker 1: the team to this day. Represented what was the risk

502
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:57,760
Speaker 1: attached with going this route? Well, does he understand how

503
00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:03,000
Speaker 1: to evaluate talent or how to coordinate the evaluation of talent?

504
00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:09,800
Speaker 1: Is he too removed from what's undeniable that you need

505
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:12,880
Speaker 1: to know to give your team the best chance?

506
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:14,120
Speaker 2: Was he also too removed?

507
00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:16,520
Speaker 1: And we'll get to some stuff that that Seffert has

508
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:21,120
Speaker 1: written as of last night, suggesting he might have been,

509
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:23,719
Speaker 1: at least in the eyes of the critics, too removed

510
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:26,440
Speaker 1: from even working with his own coaching staff.

511
00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:31,880
Speaker 2: And we tend to that it's like pinball.

512
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Speaker 1: I mean, we go from one side to the other,

513
00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:39,239
Speaker 1: and maybe even you could argue one extreme to the other.

514
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:41,680
Speaker 1: It's human nature. It's the way it's done a lot

515
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:44,040
Speaker 1: of places. But that's sort of where we are here.

516
00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:49,560
Speaker 1: Is can you outsmart yourself figuring so far out of

517
00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:51,920
Speaker 1: the box that you say, well, there's a reason this

518
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:53,680
Speaker 1: guy's that for out of the box. He doesn't belong

519
00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:57,640
Speaker 1: in the box. That's I think. What now they have

520
00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:00,200
Speaker 1: concluded And you could say, well, could they have? They

521
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:02,279
Speaker 1: have avoided this from the beginning, the answer is yes,

522
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:05,960
Speaker 1: if they'd hide Ryan Poles, the guy who runs the

523
00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:08,480
Speaker 1: Bears now, because he's much more you could say in

524
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 1: the box standard football guy grew up in you know,

525
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:17,880
Speaker 1: or or worked for other football guys right now, if

526
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Speaker 1: you go back to that story, though, allegedly at the time,

527
00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:25,719
Speaker 1: Poles came in and said, you're you're kidding yourself if

528
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:28,920
Speaker 1: you can you think you can do this competitive rebuild thing.

529
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:34,279
Speaker 1: You're stuck. You're stuck in the middle. You need to

530
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:37,040
Speaker 1: tear it down before you build it up. Now, maybe

531
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Speaker 1: he didn't speak in those stark terms, but that was

532
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Speaker 1: a lot of what was said at the time that

533
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:45,160
Speaker 1: maybe Poles, because that's ultimately what Poles did in Chicago. Now,

534
00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:47,640
Speaker 1: the difference is the Vikings were in better shape, one

535
00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:52,120
Speaker 1: could say, overall than the Bears, who already were kind

536
00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:53,040
Speaker 1: of at rock bottom.

537
00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:57,879
Speaker 2: But that goes back to he was the other.

538
00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:01,040
Speaker 1: He interviewed here, he was the other I think, top

539
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:04,480
Speaker 1: candidate for the position. So does that mean we go

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00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:07,759
Speaker 1: back to get a FOOTBALLI guy now, Probably because that's

541
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:10,399
Speaker 1: the way we tend to go. We tend in this town,

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00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:13,919
Speaker 1: whether it's coaches or general managers. I think that's sort

543
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:17,120
Speaker 1: of the pattern that has ensued. One more break, we'll

544
00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 1: get much more into several texts in the final fifteen

545
00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:23,799
Speaker 1: minutes or so of the nine o'clock hour, and we'll

546
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:25,600
Speaker 1: get to some wolves and wild stuff in the ten

547
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:26,000
Speaker 1: as well.

548
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Speaker 3: Don't go away, we'll.

549
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Speaker 1: Figure it to a couple of Actually, you know what,

550
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:51,719
Speaker 1: I'll save a couple items from the Seaffert story that

551
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:54,840
Speaker 1: are directly related to a lot of what we've discussed

552
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:58,959
Speaker 1: the first hour in our number two Sunday sermons, Barrero

553
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:04,839
Speaker 1: and blakemore with you until eleven o'clock today.

554
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:05,560
Speaker 2: This is the.

555
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:09,600
Speaker 1: We're on the edge of the abyss right, because Super

556
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:12,400
Speaker 1: Bowl sixty is a week from today, and then it's

557
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:19,480
Speaker 1: abyss like the rest of the way. However, However, as

558
00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:25,440
Speaker 1: I think that true, is it possible we are on

559
00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:33,720
Speaker 1: the dawning of a blossoming like we've rarely have perhaps

560
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:36,200
Speaker 1: ever seen in this town? What do you mean by that?

561
00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:41,879
Speaker 1: Is it possible that as we get ever closer, inch,

562
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:47,879
Speaker 1: ever closer to spring to April, and dare I say

563
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:54,160
Speaker 1: it may that there will be nothing abysslike from a

564
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:58,879
Speaker 1: sports standpoint in this market, that it will not only

565
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:08,200
Speaker 1: be the Minnesota Timberwolves who are playing well into May,

566
00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:13,759
Speaker 1: but the Minnesota Wild that are as well. We take

567
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:20,480
Speaker 1: you over to the Minnesota Wild Desk owned in Studio

568
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:22,720
Speaker 1: A by none other than Brett Blakemore.

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Speaker 4: Your thoughts, well, my thoughts are why not both the

570
00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:28,719
Speaker 4: way they're playing. I was at the Wolves game where

571
00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:33,560
Speaker 4: they just smashed. What a game to go, terrific performance.

572
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:35,399
Speaker 4: So I'm kind of in on the Wolves right now too,

573
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:39,759
Speaker 4: but the Wild just a as a kid that say

574
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:44,360
Speaker 4: bta to the team that they just dominate in Edmonton.

575
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:46,520
Speaker 4: I would love to get a first round matchup against

576
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:51,480
Speaker 4: Connor McDavid is overrated because they just have their number

577
00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:54,560
Speaker 4: for whatever, whether it's Eric Sinak or Rodin didn't even play,

578
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:58,000
Speaker 4: but he's also lights out against this team. They just

579
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Speaker 4: figure out a way to beat this team. And I mean,

580
00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:03,680
Speaker 4: I was thinking about what was my favorite goal from

581
00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:06,399
Speaker 4: last night? You take your pick. There are so many

582
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:08,919
Speaker 4: good ones. The Brock favor one was elite at the end,

583
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Speaker 4: the Quinn Hughes stretch pass to Eric Sinek to free

584
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Speaker 4: him up on the power play. Just they're playing at

585
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:19,160
Speaker 4: such a high level right now and you have to think,

586
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:24,239
Speaker 4: when else would you want a big fish and to

587
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:27,279
Speaker 4: go to go all in even more, you know, I

588
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:28,600
Speaker 4: I don't think, why.

589
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Speaker 1: Do you want to mess with what we got going now?

590
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:32,480
Speaker 2: You want to really mess with our chemistry?

591
00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:35,759
Speaker 4: That was very good if they I'm saying big like

592
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Speaker 4: I don't like Trocheck has been a name that's been

593
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:39,640
Speaker 4: thrown around and he's fine.

594
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:43,000
Speaker 1: And Luis says he doesn't believe a tro Check is

595
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:47,200
Speaker 1: worth giving up false Steady agree that I completely that.

596
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:50,880
Speaker 4: I think he's fine, But I don't think what's er,

597
00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:54,040
Speaker 4: you know, beyond the pont Charlie Coyle or other names

598
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:55,920
Speaker 4: like I don't think a third line center is what

599
00:39:55,960 --> 00:40:00,040
Speaker 4: this team's missing there. They're missing the big fish. So

600
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:03,480
Speaker 4: trading for that, to me is kind of irrelevant. But

601
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Speaker 4: I would rather do it from a position of strength

602
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:09,319
Speaker 4: of and valse that was amazing last night.

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Speaker 2: He played very well.

604
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Speaker 4: But I'd rather do it from a position of we're

605
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:15,200
Speaker 4: playing so well, let's put us over the top and

606
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Speaker 4: give us our best chance against that.

607
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Speaker 1: That's a I think a very fair point because there's

608
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Speaker 1: two ways to look at trades. Well, we need something

609
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:28,359
Speaker 1: to wake us up out of our slumber, or we're

610
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:31,520
Speaker 1: going to reward a team that's playing really well, and

611
00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:33,800
Speaker 1: we're going to give him something extra. We're going to

612
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:37,040
Speaker 1: say we're not waiting. I like the ladder better. I

613
00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:40,680
Speaker 1: think the former can occasionally help a team, but I

614
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:42,920
Speaker 1: think it's always a bit of fool's goal to think

615
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Speaker 1: that some other player outside of you is going to

616
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:50,880
Speaker 1: change everything. That probably lets the team itself off the

617
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:51,560
Speaker 1: hook too much.

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Speaker 2: So this is I.

619
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Speaker 1: Think the better way to do it is you reward

620
00:40:56,360 --> 00:41:00,600
Speaker 1: a team that seems to be maximizing what it has.

621
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:02,799
Speaker 1: And what do We still have the second best record

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Speaker 1: in the league at this point.

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Speaker 2: To Coy, Yeah, top three. Yeah.

624
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Speaker 1: We have two games left before the Olympic break. Monday,

625
00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:17,719
Speaker 1: we host second Montreal. Second is correct, okay, and then

626
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:23,799
Speaker 1: we finish at Nashville Wednesday, Feb. Four, and then we're

627
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:27,000
Speaker 1: off for twenty two days. You see who we play

628
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Speaker 1: when we come back.

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Speaker 4: First game, right into the fire, that's into the belly,

630
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Speaker 4: oh the Beast at Lanch Thursday, Feb.

631
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Speaker 1: Twenty six. How many more games we got against the

632
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:46,279
Speaker 1: we play the Lanch again. We're there again March eight.

633
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:52,440
Speaker 1: I'm scrolling through the schedule, don't We're done playing them?

634
00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:56,279
Speaker 1: Here's that way we'll say this. So we got two

635
00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:58,279
Speaker 1: road games left with the Lanch. If I'm reading my

636
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:01,879
Speaker 1: schedule correctly, well, yeah, that's it the rest of the way.

637
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:06,239
Speaker 1: So yeah, I think I think it should encourage. We

638
00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:09,560
Speaker 1: talked about this last week. Oddly enough, I think the

639
00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:12,920
Speaker 1: teams are in different positions, at least in my mind.

640
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:23,360
Speaker 1: I think the Wolves flat out desperately need a scorer

641
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:26,680
Speaker 1: off the bench to give the core the best chance

642
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:28,520
Speaker 1: to do whatever they are going to do. And again,

643
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:34,399
Speaker 1: they're maddening because when you know they can go through

644
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:37,320
Speaker 1: a stretch a week ago where you say, well, where's

645
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:39,560
Speaker 1: this thing going, and they can follow that up with

646
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:42,400
Speaker 1: their latest winning streak, can go there's nothing stopping us now.

647
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:45,359
Speaker 2: That in itself is rather maddening, I think.

648
00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:49,759
Speaker 1: But the one thing I wouldn't want to do if

649
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:52,560
Speaker 1: I was running this team is feel like I didn't

650
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:55,399
Speaker 1: give the core the best chance to do whatever it's

651
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:59,719
Speaker 1: going to do. Even if they are maddeningly inconsistent. When

652
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Speaker 1: they when they're in it and on it, you can

653
00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:04,640
Speaker 1: see they're a factor. They can still be a factor

654
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:09,640
Speaker 1: in the Western Conference. So we've talked about the honest thing,

655
00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:11,080
Speaker 1: and that's going to be a big part of our

656
00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:15,239
Speaker 1: discussion before the NBA trade deadline, which is Thursday. I

657
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:21,879
Speaker 1: believe two o'clock Central, because I know, I know they

658
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:27,560
Speaker 1: are very much in this race. They are very interested,

659
00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:31,359
Speaker 1: They are pursuing him. That doesn't mean they get him,

660
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:35,239
Speaker 1: but it means they're after him. There are a lot

661
00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:39,320
Speaker 1: of people who believe that ultimately the Bucks, well, what

662
00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:41,840
Speaker 1: I've heard is the Bucks are off for are demanding

663
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:45,760
Speaker 1: so much right now that most of the other teams

664
00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:47,000
Speaker 1: don't want to play with them.

665
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:47,279
Speaker 3: Yet.

666
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:50,280
Speaker 1: The assumption is that as they get closer to the deadline,

667
00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:54,440
Speaker 1: they're going to become more reasonable in what they demand.

668
00:43:54,520 --> 00:43:57,360
Speaker 1: If they don't, then there's still more people who say

669
00:43:57,640 --> 00:43:59,320
Speaker 1: they're just not going to trade him to the offseason.

670
00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:02,480
Speaker 1: That's still another possibility as well, which would probably be

671
00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:04,440
Speaker 1: disappointing at this point, But you got to play.

672
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:05,200
Speaker 2: In it, and we're in it.

673
00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:09,920
Speaker 1: We're diving into the deep end pursuing all the possibilities

674
00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:13,960
Speaker 1: in acquiring him. But even if you don't, because I

675
00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:20,359
Speaker 1: think is still a long shot, then I don't think

676
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:22,520
Speaker 1: you give up at all. I think you go out

677
00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:25,160
Speaker 1: and get a player whose name half your casual fan

678
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:27,319
Speaker 1: base might have ever heard of who can give you

679
00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:29,680
Speaker 1: some scoring off the bench, and I do believe that

680
00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:32,680
Speaker 1: can be big if your bench is as thin as

681
00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:35,359
Speaker 1: this bench tends to be, especially on days when NAS

682
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:39,040
Speaker 1: is an effective and NAS was very effective again last night.

683
00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:41,640
Speaker 1: What other aspect of the wolf situation we'll get to

684
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:46,440
Speaker 1: in our number two and we'll take wild texts, will

685
00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:51,760
Speaker 1: take Wolves texts, will take National Football League quarterback texts

686
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:54,120
Speaker 1: as well. Everything is on the table for the second

687
00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:57,080
Speaker 1: hour of the show Bratch on Bryant Cafe and text line.

688
00:44:56,920 --> 00:45:01,280
Speaker 2: Is open at six for six.

689
00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:05,320
Speaker 1: Our number two Sunday sermons, Barrero and blakemore with you

690
00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:09,000
Speaker 1: till eleven o'clock. We got another snow globe kind of

691
00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:13,399
Speaker 1: situation in the Twin Cities. The temperatures have moderated and

692
00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:16,120
Speaker 1: the snow has apparently.

693
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Speaker 2: Arrived as well.

694
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:23,080
Speaker 1: A lot of good texts to address in the second hour,

695
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:29,440
Speaker 1: and including this one, which is worth a mention anyway.

696
00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:33,040
Speaker 1: This is from looks like Area code two one eight.

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Speaker 2: Guy. I wasn't able to hang with you until five

698
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Speaker 2: thirty on Friday.

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Speaker 1: Can you spend a minute on Lavelle's take on the

700
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Speaker 1: Falvey dismissal.

701
00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:42,960
Speaker 2: I'm glad he brought two one. A guy brings it

702
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:44,080
Speaker 2: up because.

703
00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:47,920
Speaker 1: I have to admit something that we could have built

704
00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:50,400
Speaker 1: this whole show around both of those moves, and what

705
00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:52,799
Speaker 1: we're learning as we get a little further away from

706
00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:56,640
Speaker 1: the announcements, because there's always the announcements, the platitudes in

707
00:45:56,680 --> 00:45:59,839
Speaker 1: the press releases, and then there's the real story, which

708
00:45:59,880 --> 00:46:03,680
Speaker 1: is always very different and by the way, is often

709
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:09,399
Speaker 1: difficult to ascertain when we throw out various scenarios here.

710
00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:13,279
Speaker 1: It's because usually there's nuance in this stuff.

711
00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:15,560
Speaker 2: And you have to.

712
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:19,400
Speaker 1: Flesh it out and the answers aren't going to be easy,

713
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:21,480
Speaker 1: but there are going to be indications.

714
00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:26,120
Speaker 2: And so what we're going with and discussing.

715
00:46:27,239 --> 00:46:31,359
Speaker 1: Are some of those hints and some of those indications

716
00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:35,200
Speaker 1: and how they at the very least might change the

717
00:46:35,239 --> 00:46:40,799
Speaker 1: story alter our perceptions of the individuals involved. Short of

718
00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:45,160
Speaker 1: the principles coming forward to either confirm or deny everything,

719
00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:47,480
Speaker 1: you're not going to get one hundred percent the story.

720
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:50,880
Speaker 1: But if you follow people you respect and talk to

721
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:53,560
Speaker 1: people that you respect to have knowledge, then you can,

722
00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:56,680
Speaker 1: I think, put something together which is exactly I think

723
00:46:56,680 --> 00:47:00,440
Speaker 1: the road we've gone down the first hour, and it

724
00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:06,480
Speaker 1: is all relevant. It is all I think interesting. For me,

725
00:47:06,719 --> 00:47:09,879
Speaker 1: it's quite compelling. If you're a Vikings fan, I would

726
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:13,160
Speaker 1: think it would be quite important too, because it also

727
00:47:13,719 --> 00:47:16,080
Speaker 1: it's not just about the past, it's about where it's

728
00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:18,160
Speaker 1: going to lead you to in the future. And can

729
00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:20,879
Speaker 1: you trust the people who are still in place? Can

730
00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:24,000
Speaker 1: you trust ownership to make the right move in making

731
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:27,600
Speaker 1: the replacement here as well? But I got to be honest,

732
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:30,040
Speaker 1: part of the reason I haven't wanted to dig this

733
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:34,359
Speaker 1: deep into the Twin story is I don't know if

734
00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:39,040
Speaker 1: I care. I just it doesn't mean there's not a

735
00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:43,440
Speaker 1: juicy backstory there. But I think it's so hard to

736
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:49,000
Speaker 1: be invested in anything this organization and these owners want

737
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:53,200
Speaker 1: to do, even as they changed change poll ads that

738
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:56,960
Speaker 1: I'm not sure there's as much of a curiosity factor,

739
00:47:57,320 --> 00:48:03,200
Speaker 1: because there's a part of me that says, well, does

740
00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:07,440
Speaker 1: it matter? I mean, as long as this these are

741
00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:09,600
Speaker 1: the owners of the team, does it really matter what

742
00:48:09,640 --> 00:48:14,800
Speaker 1: the palace intrigue was in this case? Is it as vital?

743
00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:17,920
Speaker 1: Do you feel like there is as much at stake?

744
00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:23,080
Speaker 1: I mean, even I still think even with the most

745
00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:28,960
Speaker 1: recent change in ownership, we're getting lectures already about there's

746
00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:34,239
Speaker 1: too much fixation on payroll. I can't imagine a more

747
00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:37,000
Speaker 1: tone deaf message, even if you believe it to deliver

748
00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:40,440
Speaker 1: on the basis of the way, the Twins have handled

749
00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:45,759
Speaker 1: the payroll situation virtually ever since they made the playoffs

750
00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:50,040
Speaker 1: and won a playoff series. So for me, it's not

751
00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:53,799
Speaker 1: that there's not more stuff there, but why should we

752
00:48:55,040 --> 00:48:58,839
Speaker 1: care when they decide to go the route they do well?

753
00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:02,920
Speaker 1: I guess care to this. I want to believe that ultimately.

754
00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:06,120
Speaker 1: Part of the reason that Falvey said I'm out, all right,

755
00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:09,520
Speaker 1: I can't let's just let's just split, let's just part

756
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:10,280
Speaker 1: ways here.

757
00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:13,759
Speaker 2: Is well.

758
00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:15,759
Speaker 1: One of the things Label did say is it's his

759
00:49:15,880 --> 00:49:19,000
Speaker 1: belief that it wasn't a fauve decision to cut the

760
00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:21,840
Speaker 1: rook the bullpen at the trade deadline last year, that

761
00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:25,840
Speaker 1: it was more complicated than that. So I I'd like

762
00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:28,960
Speaker 1: to think that being told how you have to handle this,

763
00:49:29,120 --> 00:49:33,839
Speaker 1: even for an organization that does have financial challenges got

764
00:49:33,880 --> 00:49:36,719
Speaker 1: to him too, and he said, I'm out. It's it's

765
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:39,080
Speaker 1: I've tried. I've tried to do the party line, the

766
00:49:39,120 --> 00:49:41,600
Speaker 1: company line, I've tried to tow it. I've tried to,

767
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:47,480
Speaker 1: you know, offer up my own words, solid excuses, and

768
00:49:47,480 --> 00:49:53,360
Speaker 1: and and and lectures on this thing. I'm I'm weary

769
00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:55,719
Speaker 1: to it. I I can't keep doing it. So to

770
00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:57,680
Speaker 1: that I'm interested to that extent, because that's what I

771
00:49:57,719 --> 00:50:01,799
Speaker 1: want to believe. I want to hope that somebody said enough,

772
00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:04,160
Speaker 1: you can do it any way you want. It's your team.

773
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:05,719
Speaker 1: But I don't have to be a party to it

774
00:50:05,719 --> 00:50:07,800
Speaker 1: any longer. And guess what, I'm not going to be

775
00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:12,279
Speaker 1: a party to it any longer. But beyond that, if

776
00:50:12,280 --> 00:50:16,680
Speaker 1: the team itself, the owners themselves seem as disinterested as

777
00:50:16,680 --> 00:50:18,680
Speaker 1: they are, or as defensive as they are, or as

778
00:50:18,719 --> 00:50:22,360
Speaker 1: interested in pursuing whatever line they're pursuing, at this point,

779
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:25,120
Speaker 1: you go, why does it really matter? Should I really

780
00:50:25,120 --> 00:50:30,400
Speaker 1: care that much about whatever palace intrigue is going on

781
00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:38,279
Speaker 1: from top to bottom? Seaffert yesterday quote from a couple

782
00:50:38,239 --> 00:50:43,319
Speaker 1: of things he wrote, Team and League sources thought that

783
00:50:43,719 --> 00:50:46,520
Speaker 1: Adolpha Mens's answer about leadership, and there was a long

784
00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:49,880
Speaker 1: quote about what he learned about leadership and some of

785
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:53,520
Speaker 1: the mistakes he made early in his tenure came after

786
00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:55,759
Speaker 1: the wolfs I should say, spoke to him about being

787
00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:57,960
Speaker 1: more accessible to the people who worked for him. The

788
00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:00,760
Speaker 1: Wolves believed he spent more time in his office working

789
00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:03,399
Speaker 1: through statistical models and long range planning, and not enough

790
00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:09,480
Speaker 1: time circulating among staffers internally. Adolpha Mensa also shouldered much

791
00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:11,440
Speaker 1: of the blame this past season for failing to pair

792
00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:14,720
Speaker 1: McCarthy with a veteran quarterback who could hedge against injury

793
00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:19,200
Speaker 1: or effect ineffectiveness. Instead, McCarthy produced one of the NFL's

794
00:51:19,239 --> 00:51:22,400
Speaker 1: worst six games starts to a career in the past decade,

795
00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:25,000
Speaker 1: an outcome the Vikings could do little about. After Adolpha

796
00:51:25,040 --> 00:51:29,040
Speaker 1: Mensa failed to negotiate, failed to finalize negotiations with free

797
00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:32,080
Speaker 1: agent Daniel Jones, and instead traded for veteran Sam Howl

798
00:51:32,120 --> 00:51:35,480
Speaker 1: to back up McCarthy. The Vikings replaced hol with Carson

799
00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:40,480
Speaker 1: Wentz shortly before the season began at coach Kevin O'Connell's urging.

800
00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:44,800
Speaker 1: A lot of that is related to what we discussed

801
00:51:45,320 --> 00:51:49,880
Speaker 1: in our number one on the issue of his background.

802
00:51:50,239 --> 00:51:52,920
Speaker 1: Dolpha Ments's unque background made him an oddity among NFL

803
00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:55,360
Speaker 1: general managers, something that Wilfs originally believe will be an

804
00:51:55,360 --> 00:52:00,360
Speaker 1: attribute as they sought to change their culture. Here's that

805
00:52:00,440 --> 00:52:05,080
Speaker 1: word following the long partnership between Rick Spielman and zimmer A.

806
00:52:05,120 --> 00:52:07,279
Speaker 1: Dolpha Mensa didn't always work the traditional hours of a

807
00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:10,919
Speaker 1: football grinder, sources said, but he talked often about finding

808
00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:12,640
Speaker 1: usual times of the day to get done. We'll get

809
00:52:12,680 --> 00:52:16,759
Speaker 1: work done, especially after his two children were born. That's

810
00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:22,160
Speaker 1: a really, I think polite way of suggesting they didn't

811
00:52:22,160 --> 00:52:26,279
Speaker 1: work hard enough, and that that, in the minds at

812
00:52:26,360 --> 00:52:31,080
Speaker 1: least to the people who made this decision, was enough

813
00:52:31,120 --> 00:52:36,360
Speaker 1: in itself to be a bit of a red flag. Ultimately,

814
00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:38,239
Speaker 1: though a Dolpha Means's approach contributed to a level of

815
00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:42,680
Speaker 1: detachment for the Vikings, otherwise traditional coaching staff honest sometimes

816
00:52:42,680 --> 00:52:45,759
Speaker 1: to a fault. Adolpha Mensa once credited O'Connell with teaching

817
00:52:45,840 --> 00:52:47,560
Speaker 1: him the importance of a tight end in an NFL

818
00:52:47,600 --> 00:52:50,040
Speaker 1: offense prior to acquiring t j Akinson in a trade

819
00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:55,399
Speaker 1: with the Lions. So what he writes Seffert, the inexperienced

820
00:52:55,520 --> 00:53:00,480
Speaker 1: drew concern. Here's another nugget worthy of discussion that has

821
00:53:00,520 --> 00:53:06,240
Speaker 1: been asked and discussed already, multiple sources said. The defensive

822
00:53:06,239 --> 00:53:08,400
Speaker 1: coordinator Brian Flora is a usual decision to let his

823
00:53:08,480 --> 00:53:11,719
Speaker 1: contract lapse before signing a new deal that will pay

824
00:53:11,800 --> 00:53:14,520
Speaker 1: him more than the six million dollars more than six

825
00:53:14,600 --> 00:53:17,680
Speaker 1: million dollars per season, was based in part on his

826
00:53:17,840 --> 00:53:21,320
Speaker 1: unease with the direction to the front office. When asked

827
00:53:21,400 --> 00:53:24,440
Speaker 1: last month if he wanted to remain with the Vikings,

828
00:53:24,440 --> 00:53:26,960
Speaker 1: Flores noted that he loved working for the Wilfs and

829
00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:31,520
Speaker 1: with O'Connell and loved living in Minnesota, but did not

830
00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:33,080
Speaker 1: mention a.

831
00:53:33,160 --> 00:53:34,279
Speaker 2: Dolpha Mensa.

832
00:53:35,560 --> 00:53:37,719
Speaker 1: Goes on to write that Adolpha Mensa is hardly the

833
00:53:37,719 --> 00:53:39,000
Speaker 1: only one to blame for a situation to leave the

834
00:53:39,040 --> 00:53:41,880
Speaker 1: Vikings in a leadership holding pattern until the late April

835
00:53:42,160 --> 00:53:47,319
Speaker 1: NFL draft. The Wilf's rushed to sign O'Connell to a

836
00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:50,239
Speaker 1: contract extension after twenty twenty four seasons, but did not

837
00:53:50,239 --> 00:53:54,200
Speaker 1: agree to terms with Adopha Mensa. Discrepancy led to obvious

838
00:53:54,280 --> 00:53:57,759
Speaker 1: questions about his standing with ownership and the NFL was

839
00:53:57,800 --> 00:53:59,680
Speaker 1: a wash in rumors that the wils would fire him

840
00:54:00,160 --> 00:54:02,880
Speaker 1: after the season. I think again, the feeling was, what

841
00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:04,279
Speaker 1: if they're going to do that, they already would have

842
00:54:04,320 --> 00:54:07,960
Speaker 1: done it. That's the only surprises that it took as

843
00:54:08,040 --> 00:54:10,399
Speaker 1: long as it did. But you know, I'll say again,

844
00:54:10,440 --> 00:54:18,320
Speaker 1: I mean, nobody reports as carefully and accurately as Seaffert,

845
00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:22,840
Speaker 1: so I trust what he writes, he vets what he writes.

846
00:54:23,600 --> 00:54:27,240
Speaker 1: We've got several reporters in this town covering the Vikings,

847
00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:31,360
Speaker 1: I think who are very trustworthy in that regard, for sure.

848
00:54:33,560 --> 00:54:35,880
Speaker 1: Ben Gessling, who with us as recently as Friday the

849
00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:38,200
Speaker 1: same way. Alec Lewis, I think, does a terrific job.

850
00:54:38,200 --> 00:54:41,600
Speaker 1: We've got people who I think I do trust that

851
00:54:41,640 --> 00:54:44,640
Speaker 1: if they start going down these paths, this is what

852
00:54:44,680 --> 00:54:48,640
Speaker 1: they've heard. It doesn't necessarily solve the question of whether

853
00:54:49,480 --> 00:54:54,880
Speaker 1: that is too easy to put all on Quazy.

854
00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:56,440
Speaker 2: I think what.

855
00:54:56,640 --> 00:55:00,600
Speaker 1: Is easier to put on him, clearly is the draft.

856
00:55:00,640 --> 00:55:03,719
Speaker 1: And you could argue on the basis of the draft alone,

857
00:55:03,880 --> 00:55:06,160
Speaker 1: that was he was. It was he was going to

858
00:55:06,200 --> 00:55:09,760
Speaker 1: be dismissed, or he could there was reason to dismiss him,

859
00:55:10,320 --> 00:55:16,600
Speaker 1: forget all the other stuff, style, approach, detachment, whatever. But

860
00:55:17,840 --> 00:55:22,879
Speaker 1: it's it's why More interesting to me is how we

861
00:55:22,960 --> 00:55:27,080
Speaker 1: slice up the quarterback blank because that I think is

862
00:55:27,080 --> 00:55:29,640
Speaker 1: a little tougher and again falls under the classification a

863
00:55:29,680 --> 00:55:31,640
Speaker 1: little maybe a bit too convenient for the people who

864
00:55:31,680 --> 00:55:34,759
Speaker 1: are still there and raises a lot of questions, as

865
00:55:34,800 --> 00:55:37,719
Speaker 1: I said about Sequence, about whether it was fair to

866
00:55:37,800 --> 00:55:41,799
Speaker 1: expect that he could He absolutely that another general manager

867
00:55:41,840 --> 00:55:43,920
Speaker 1: would have been able to bring Daniel Jones back in

868
00:55:43,960 --> 00:55:50,160
Speaker 1: a way that he didn't. Those are more nuanced and

869
00:55:50,239 --> 00:55:52,600
Speaker 1: a little bit more complicated, which is why I think

870
00:55:52,600 --> 00:55:54,880
Speaker 1: they're held a lot more interesting the other stuff. I

871
00:55:54,880 --> 00:55:57,360
Speaker 1: think at this point pretty much speaks for itself. Meanwhile,

872
00:55:58,719 --> 00:56:02,360
Speaker 1: your club, same day, what are they doing extending the coach,

873
00:56:02,920 --> 00:56:05,040
Speaker 1: extending the general manager? What do we call that in

874
00:56:05,040 --> 00:56:11,320
Speaker 1: the business. That's the definition for better or worse of stability? Yeah,

875
00:56:11,480 --> 00:56:14,760
Speaker 1: and it's nice to have that. We have been entirely

876
00:56:14,800 --> 00:56:19,000
Speaker 1: decimated in our coaching staff basically besides Lafleor everyone's leaving.

877
00:56:19,400 --> 00:56:22,719
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's just I'll take what I have and

878
00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:26,400
Speaker 1: trying to find see what the new DC is compared

879
00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:29,040
Speaker 1: to what's going on here. A lot of people are

880
00:56:29,080 --> 00:56:32,240
Speaker 1: asking again about mac Jones.

881
00:56:36,440 --> 00:56:38,279
Speaker 2: Yes, obviously he.

882
00:56:38,280 --> 00:56:45,239
Speaker 1: Would be of the realistic available options. He's towards the

883
00:56:45,280 --> 00:56:46,680
Speaker 1: top of the list. He might even be at the

884
00:56:46,680 --> 00:56:50,239
Speaker 1: top of the list. What do you have to give up?

885
00:56:50,880 --> 00:56:55,520
Speaker 1: Are the Niners interested in trading him at all? Because

886
00:56:55,520 --> 00:57:01,560
Speaker 1: one of the suggestions here is Kessey talked about bear

887
00:57:01,680 --> 00:57:03,680
Speaker 1: quarterback room in twenty twenty six. Three moves to improve

888
00:57:03,680 --> 00:57:05,960
Speaker 1: the room. Trade JJ and a second round pick to

889
00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:08,759
Speaker 1: San fran for Mac Jones. Trade one of your third

890
00:57:08,800 --> 00:57:12,320
Speaker 1: round picks to Indy for Anthony richardson draft Tie Simpson,

891
00:57:12,360 --> 00:57:14,839
Speaker 1: the first round pick considered a late first round pick.

892
00:57:16,200 --> 00:57:20,040
Speaker 2: I don't think koc I put this way.

893
00:57:20,080 --> 00:57:23,680
Speaker 1: I'd be shocked if they were willing to concede their

894
00:57:23,720 --> 00:57:27,240
Speaker 1: failure on the pick of JJ McCarthy to that degree

895
00:57:28,600 --> 00:57:30,480
Speaker 1: by including him in a deal. And if you're going

896
00:57:30,520 --> 00:57:32,680
Speaker 1: to include him in a deal, you have to get

897
00:57:32,720 --> 00:57:35,280
Speaker 1: somebody better than mac Jones. Even if mac Jones looks

898
00:57:35,320 --> 00:57:37,360
Speaker 1: like he's got, you know, he's got maybe a second

899
00:57:37,400 --> 00:57:42,160
Speaker 1: life in him, I'd be that would be because that

900
00:57:42,200 --> 00:57:47,360
Speaker 1: wouldn't just be on quazy if you do that two

901
00:57:47,400 --> 00:57:51,840
Speaker 1: years in, if I'm the Wolves, I'm mad at everybody,

902
00:57:51,840 --> 00:57:55,840
Speaker 1: including my quarterback whisper to that extent. Now, if you

903
00:57:55,880 --> 00:57:57,760
Speaker 1: tell me we're going to do a deal in which

904
00:57:57,760 --> 00:58:02,200
Speaker 1: you end up with a package deal where you end

905
00:58:02,280 --> 00:58:05,560
Speaker 1: up with Joe Burrow and maybe you trade JJ McCarthy

906
00:58:05,600 --> 00:58:07,400
Speaker 1: to since he because for some reason they like him

907
00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:10,160
Speaker 1: for the future and they know they're bottoming out. Yeah,

908
00:58:10,200 --> 00:58:13,439
Speaker 1: then maybe because no one can blame you. That don't

909
00:58:13,440 --> 00:58:15,440
Speaker 1: even have to be a statement on jj McCarthy. That's

910
00:58:15,480 --> 00:58:18,560
Speaker 1: more a statement of how much you believe Joe Burrow

911
00:58:18,600 --> 00:58:20,520
Speaker 1: has a chance to get your places right away. But

912
00:58:21,680 --> 00:58:24,840
Speaker 1: that will be interesting, That'll be another interesting story to watch.

913
00:58:25,480 --> 00:58:29,240
Speaker 1: I have heard the Richardson name tossed out. I'd have

914
00:58:29,280 --> 00:58:33,800
Speaker 1: to vet that. I I'm worried he's one of those

915
00:58:33,800 --> 00:58:35,440
Speaker 1: guys that's going to go on as just a flat

916
00:58:35,440 --> 00:58:39,120
Speaker 1: out bust, even though he's obviously you know, some of

917
00:58:39,120 --> 00:58:41,640
Speaker 1: the throws he can make athletically, he looks like my god.

918
00:58:42,280 --> 00:58:45,680
Speaker 1: But I'd have to do a deep vet even on

919
00:58:45,720 --> 00:58:49,400
Speaker 1: his health too, a combination of things for for that

920
00:58:50,040 --> 00:58:52,320
Speaker 1: A bratch on Brian Cafan text line is open at

921
00:58:52,320 --> 00:58:54,600
Speaker 1: six four six eighty six. Let's get a pause in

922
00:58:55,520 --> 00:58:59,600
Speaker 1: and we'll continue this conversation. We'll talk some more wild,

923
00:58:59,640 --> 00:59:01,640
Speaker 1: we'll probab, we talk some wolves. I do want to

924
00:59:01,680 --> 00:59:06,280
Speaker 1: get back to yet one more time. I think the

925
00:59:06,320 --> 00:59:10,920
Speaker 1: aftermath of the Pro Football Hall of Fame Pitchfork Nation eruption,

926
00:59:11,080 --> 00:59:17,200
Speaker 1: because I think finally, cooler heads are prevailing, and people

927
00:59:17,200 --> 00:59:19,800
Speaker 1: are finally paying attention to stuff that we brought up

928
00:59:20,240 --> 00:59:22,560
Speaker 1: that very first day, in fact, when you told me

929
00:59:22,640 --> 00:59:23,840
Speaker 1: but the story was breaking.

930
00:59:24,760 --> 00:59:27,040
Speaker 2: I think some folks are finally.

931
00:59:28,240 --> 00:59:31,680
Speaker 1: Have slowed the hyperventilation enough to actually open their eyes

932
00:59:31,760 --> 00:59:35,520
Speaker 1: and have a better understanding as to why this might

933
00:59:35,600 --> 00:59:51,880
Speaker 1: not be the travesty of the century.

934
01:00:01,400 --> 01:00:02,720
Speaker 2: Sunday Sermons continues.

935
01:00:02,840 --> 01:00:09,200
Speaker 1: We'll be with you till eleven o'clock today. I don't

936
01:00:09,200 --> 01:00:13,000
Speaker 1: even we have no local teams. Terms of our pro teams.

937
01:00:13,040 --> 01:00:16,560
Speaker 1: The Wild do not play today, correct or tonight? We

938
01:00:16,680 --> 01:00:21,200
Speaker 1: just discussed their schedule next to Montreal right tomorrow and

939
01:00:21,440 --> 01:00:24,640
Speaker 1: the Wolves. When's the next Wolves encounter? Look that up

940
01:00:24,640 --> 01:00:27,480
Speaker 1: as well. I don't think we'll point is it's thing.

941
01:00:27,520 --> 01:00:30,480
Speaker 1: You's got Gopher basketball later we do, Okay, fair enough.

942
01:00:32,560 --> 01:00:34,400
Speaker 1: There's a terrific piece, in fact, we're going to try

943
01:00:34,400 --> 01:00:38,880
Speaker 1: to talk about during the week, Chipskoggin's terrific piece on

944
01:00:39,720 --> 01:00:42,520
Speaker 1: sort of the the the trials and tribulations of the

945
01:00:42,560 --> 01:00:46,240
Speaker 1: Medved Nico Medved's family and how they ended up, where

946
01:00:46,280 --> 01:00:49,160
Speaker 1: they came from and where they ended up.

947
01:00:49,200 --> 01:00:50,560
Speaker 2: It's worth every minute.

948
01:00:50,240 --> 01:00:53,200
Speaker 1: Of your time, and we may well, I know we'll

949
01:00:53,200 --> 01:00:57,360
Speaker 1: get into it in more detail as as the week

950
01:00:58,200 --> 01:00:59,880
Speaker 1: goes on as well.

951
01:01:01,920 --> 01:01:02,959
Speaker 2: Hall of Fame real quick.

952
01:01:03,040 --> 01:01:05,800
Speaker 1: So the controversy, if you, for some reason have not

953
01:01:05,880 --> 01:01:07,840
Speaker 1: been paying attention to it, and I don't blame you

954
01:01:07,600 --> 01:01:13,040
Speaker 1: if you have, it, is that Bill Belichick did not

955
01:01:13,360 --> 01:01:16,640
Speaker 1: make the Hall of Fame on what I guess you

956
01:01:16,640 --> 01:01:21,880
Speaker 1: could say, first ballot or first opportunity this year. And

957
01:01:22,000 --> 01:01:25,360
Speaker 1: on the face of it, that sounds obviously ludicrous. There's

958
01:01:25,360 --> 01:01:26,800
Speaker 1: not even any reason to do what a lot of

959
01:01:26,800 --> 01:01:29,400
Speaker 1: the networks have done, which is to lay out the

960
01:01:30,000 --> 01:01:34,880
Speaker 1: Belichick resume. There is nothing that needs to be laid

961
01:01:34,920 --> 01:01:38,280
Speaker 1: out in the Belichick resume because anyone who has paid

962
01:01:38,280 --> 01:01:42,479
Speaker 1: any attention knows that Bill Belichick is worthy of being

963
01:01:42,560 --> 01:01:46,520
Speaker 1: automatically for first time chance he gets in the Pro

964
01:01:46,560 --> 01:01:47,400
Speaker 1: Football Hall of Fame.

965
01:01:47,480 --> 01:01:50,720
Speaker 2: I don't think that's debatable.

966
01:01:51,680 --> 01:01:56,160
Speaker 1: When it comes to the actual record of achievement, right,

967
01:01:57,680 --> 01:02:05,240
Speaker 1: and people lost their pitchforks are out almost immediately, And

968
01:02:05,920 --> 01:02:09,280
Speaker 1: the very first day when Blakemore brought it to my attention,

969
01:02:10,000 --> 01:02:11,880
Speaker 1: I said, all right, well, let's see, let's get a

970
01:02:11,880 --> 01:02:13,400
Speaker 1: little bit more information on this thing.

971
01:02:14,560 --> 01:02:17,520
Speaker 2: Is it possible. Well, first of all, they changed the rule.

972
01:02:18,800 --> 01:02:21,400
Speaker 1: For when how when a coach can can can be

973
01:02:21,600 --> 01:02:25,400
Speaker 1: eligible even though he's still coaching. Once upon a time

974
01:02:25,920 --> 01:02:28,560
Speaker 1: you'd have to wait longer they change that rule. So

975
01:02:28,600 --> 01:02:32,280
Speaker 1: that's the beginning of it, the fact that maybe even

976
01:02:32,320 --> 01:02:34,480
Speaker 1: for some people it's well, he's still coaching, so we'll

977
01:02:34,520 --> 01:02:37,440
Speaker 1: get to it when he's not coaching. But that's an aside.

978
01:02:38,320 --> 01:02:42,280
Speaker 1: The larger issue I wondered was whether it was some voter.

979
01:02:42,400 --> 01:02:44,240
Speaker 1: By the way, I think there's fifty voters, and you

980
01:02:44,320 --> 01:02:46,800
Speaker 1: got to get to forty to get in, and I

981
01:02:46,800 --> 01:02:51,840
Speaker 1: believe he finished one short at thirty nine. So unfortunately,

982
01:02:51,920 --> 01:02:55,600
Speaker 1: instead of trying to dig deep and think, well, what

983
01:02:55,640 --> 01:03:00,360
Speaker 1: would prevent him from getting in, what in terms of

984
01:03:00,360 --> 01:03:04,840
Speaker 1: his own record and history, and even in terms of

985
01:03:05,200 --> 01:03:10,440
Speaker 1: the procedure, the voting procedure might have gotten in the

986
01:03:10,480 --> 01:03:13,440
Speaker 1: way or complicated what should be a fairly clean and

987
01:03:13,520 --> 01:03:17,840
Speaker 1: obvious proposition. Right, Well, we can't do that. We immediately

988
01:03:17,880 --> 01:03:21,440
Speaker 1: have to mock and ridicule, find out who did it, who's.

989
01:03:21,200 --> 01:03:25,160
Speaker 2: Responsible for it? Pollion? Was that you NOI, Pollion? Did

990
01:03:25,200 --> 01:03:26,240
Speaker 2: you poison the room?

991
01:03:27,440 --> 01:03:30,520
Speaker 1: And who are these individuals who don't have the guts

992
01:03:32,000 --> 01:03:34,920
Speaker 1: to identify themselves when I think there's actually rules in

993
01:03:34,920 --> 01:03:37,000
Speaker 1: place when it comes to the Pro Football Hall of

994
01:03:37,040 --> 01:03:39,960
Speaker 1: Fame in that regard. Anyway, within thirty seconds, it was

995
01:03:40,600 --> 01:03:44,560
Speaker 1: full hysteria, completely out of control. Dogs and cats living together,

996
01:03:45,640 --> 01:03:49,360
Speaker 1: and we said, well, all right, let's see what could

997
01:03:49,360 --> 01:03:51,520
Speaker 1: get in the way. Well, for some people, is it

998
01:03:51,600 --> 01:03:54,440
Speaker 1: their own way of tweaking him, but tweaking him not

999
01:03:54,600 --> 01:03:56,960
Speaker 1: on the basis of his personality, which I think most

1000
01:03:57,000 --> 01:04:00,040
Speaker 1: of us would agree is rather outlandish and childish, but

1001
01:04:00,120 --> 01:04:05,960
Speaker 1: for the fact that he received the largest fine and

1002
01:04:06,040 --> 01:04:10,120
Speaker 1: punishment for a coach as part of the largest punishment

1003
01:04:10,160 --> 01:04:13,040
Speaker 1: I think ever levied on an organization in the history of.

1004
01:04:13,040 --> 01:04:16,640
Speaker 2: The league for Spygate.

1005
01:04:18,720 --> 01:04:22,200
Speaker 1: And my reaction was, if I had to vote, I'm

1006
01:04:22,200 --> 01:04:24,120
Speaker 1: not sure it would be enough for me to not

1007
01:04:24,240 --> 01:04:27,880
Speaker 1: vote for him. But I can understand those who'd said,

1008
01:04:28,000 --> 01:04:29,600
Speaker 1: we know he's going to get in, but I do

1009
01:04:29,680 --> 01:04:31,480
Speaker 1: want to send a little bit of a message. And

1010
01:04:31,520 --> 01:04:35,160
Speaker 1: what I mentioned that day was that the great irony

1011
01:04:35,280 --> 01:04:37,360
Speaker 1: is that at the time that story was playing out,

1012
01:04:37,480 --> 01:04:44,600
Speaker 1: we had many people in my business say he's getting

1013
01:04:44,600 --> 01:04:48,640
Speaker 1: off too easy, there's still this still doesn't add up,

1014
01:04:48,880 --> 01:04:53,280
Speaker 1: or we should really continue to factor this into the

1015
01:04:53,320 --> 01:04:57,600
Speaker 1: way we evaluate his coaching tenure. They said it then,

1016
01:04:58,600 --> 01:05:02,000
Speaker 1: and yet now any of those same people seem surprised

1017
01:05:02,960 --> 01:05:05,000
Speaker 1: when some folks took him seriously said, Okay, I'm going

1018
01:05:05,040 --> 01:05:08,120
Speaker 1: to I know he's going to get in, but I'm

1019
01:05:08,160 --> 01:05:10,640
Speaker 1: here to say that.

1020
01:05:12,720 --> 01:05:13,320
Speaker 2: I'm gonna make it.

1021
01:05:13,360 --> 01:05:14,760
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm not gonna give it to him on

1022
01:05:14,760 --> 01:05:19,040
Speaker 1: the first ballot. I am bothered by that. It was unprecedented,

1023
01:05:19,120 --> 01:05:21,400
Speaker 1: and you could say, as Jimmy Johnson did, everybody did it,

1024
01:05:22,000 --> 01:05:23,880
Speaker 1: but that's not how the league handled it at the time.

1025
01:05:24,800 --> 01:05:27,320
Speaker 1: I think they find him half a mill can't remember

1026
01:05:27,320 --> 01:05:30,040
Speaker 1: the number, think that the Patriots lost a number one

1027
01:05:30,120 --> 01:05:35,320
Speaker 1: draft choice. So you go, well, okay, that could have

1028
01:05:35,320 --> 01:05:37,080
Speaker 1: been a reason. Now, what I didn't know and I

1029
01:05:37,160 --> 01:05:40,200
Speaker 1: learned on top of that, was there are procedural questions.

1030
01:05:40,760 --> 01:05:42,160
Speaker 2: It's not a clean vote anymore.

1031
01:05:43,560 --> 01:05:45,240
Speaker 1: And the system is set up now in a way

1032
01:05:45,280 --> 01:05:47,560
Speaker 1: where you have to sort of make a choice. If

1033
01:05:47,600 --> 01:05:50,520
Speaker 1: you believe in some of the senior candidates, some of

1034
01:05:50,560 --> 01:05:53,680
Speaker 1: whom might not ever have a second shot at reaching

1035
01:05:53,720 --> 01:05:58,400
Speaker 1: that level of being a finalist, you almost are obligated

1036
01:05:58,400 --> 01:06:01,160
Speaker 1: to go for them. Then under the belief that they're

1037
01:06:01,200 --> 01:06:04,680
Speaker 1: not going to have another bite at the apple, at

1038
01:06:04,680 --> 01:06:06,680
Speaker 1: which point you go, well, I don't want to do

1039
01:06:06,720 --> 01:06:09,200
Speaker 1: it this way because obviously Belichick's a first ballot Hall

1040
01:06:09,200 --> 01:06:13,480
Speaker 1: of Famer, But that's the way I'm going to go

1041
01:06:13,720 --> 01:06:15,640
Speaker 1: because I'll have a second chance to vote for him

1042
01:06:15,640 --> 01:06:18,120
Speaker 1: next year. He's going to get in. But a couple

1043
01:06:18,120 --> 01:06:20,880
Speaker 1: of these older guys who they this might be their

1044
01:06:20,960 --> 01:06:23,560
Speaker 1: last shot. Maybe some of them are not even very

1045
01:06:23,600 --> 01:06:25,640
Speaker 1: good physical condition. I think this is a part of

1046
01:06:25,640 --> 01:06:29,040
Speaker 1: how Steve McMichael got in, was a belief that there

1047
01:06:29,120 --> 01:06:33,040
Speaker 1: might not be another chance, even when someone's alive. So

1048
01:06:33,160 --> 01:06:38,200
Speaker 1: I think now we're at least getting some people taking

1049
01:06:38,200 --> 01:06:42,959
Speaker 1: a deep breath and rethinking their position that everybody needed

1050
01:06:42,960 --> 01:06:47,760
Speaker 1: to be outed, the new voters needed to be added,

1051
01:06:48,520 --> 01:06:50,920
Speaker 1: they needed to clear the room of all this venom

1052
01:06:51,000 --> 01:06:54,120
Speaker 1: and all of this poison, when there were perfectly legitimate

1053
01:06:54,160 --> 01:06:58,080
Speaker 1: reasons for people to vote or to make the decisions

1054
01:06:58,320 --> 01:07:00,680
Speaker 1: that they ultimately did. And I'll say again, if you

1055
01:07:00,720 --> 01:07:02,680
Speaker 1: believe in the sanctity of the vote, you have to

1056
01:07:02,680 --> 01:07:04,640
Speaker 1: respect that vote, even if you disagree with it. And

1057
01:07:04,680 --> 01:07:07,680
Speaker 1: the idea that someone else is obligated to vote the

1058
01:07:07,720 --> 01:07:11,200
Speaker 1: same way you did tells me. You don't understand voting.

1059
01:07:11,200 --> 01:07:16,120
Speaker 1: You don't even understand the whole idea of a pluralist system.

1060
01:07:17,080 --> 01:07:21,280
Speaker 1: So I'm getting the sense that more people are at

1061
01:07:21,360 --> 01:07:25,560
Speaker 1: least starting to consider those possibilities now. And to their credit,

1062
01:07:25,640 --> 01:07:29,360
Speaker 1: there are two voters, one I think in Kansas City

1063
01:07:30,000 --> 01:07:32,680
Speaker 1: and one who I knew worked in Indianapolis for a

1064
01:07:32,680 --> 01:07:34,480
Speaker 1: long time now. I think he writes for a TV

1065
01:07:34,560 --> 01:07:40,440
Speaker 1: station there. It's covered the cults forever, laid out in print.

1066
01:07:40,920 --> 01:07:45,920
Speaker 1: They wrote very good pieces where they laid this all out.

1067
01:07:45,960 --> 01:07:49,959
Speaker 1: There was nothing flippant about what they said or about

1068
01:07:50,000 --> 01:07:52,439
Speaker 1: the approach they took. It was clear that they took

1069
01:07:52,480 --> 01:07:57,240
Speaker 1: the whole thing very very seriously. And the moral of

1070
01:07:57,240 --> 01:08:02,280
Speaker 1: the story seems to be the system itself that was

1071
01:08:02,360 --> 01:08:07,400
Speaker 1: changed recently is flawed, and the idea that because I

1072
01:08:07,400 --> 01:08:12,000
Speaker 1: think there's the seniors, there's the contributor, and there's the coach,

1073
01:08:12,960 --> 01:08:15,160
Speaker 1: and you're all they're all kind of competing against one

1074
01:08:15,200 --> 01:08:17,200
Speaker 1: another in a sense the way this voting is now

1075
01:08:17,240 --> 01:08:21,799
Speaker 1: set up. So Mike Chappell, I think the Indianapolis guy said, well,

1076
01:08:22,000 --> 01:08:30,240
Speaker 1: I I'm going to vote for Craft ahead of Belly

1077
01:08:30,400 --> 01:08:34,680
Speaker 1: because he laid out the reasons what his contributions that

1078
01:08:34,760 --> 01:08:36,160
Speaker 1: went even beyond the success.

1079
01:08:36,280 --> 01:08:37,600
Speaker 2: You know, being the owner.

1080
01:08:37,360 --> 01:08:40,519
Speaker 1: Of such a successful franchise, I would tend to go

1081
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Speaker 1: coach before owner. But again that's that's a personal opinion.

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01:08:45,240 --> 01:08:48,400
Speaker 1: But the way the voting has changed, to me is

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01:08:48,439 --> 01:08:52,639
Speaker 1: the problem, and is that's I think where most of

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01:08:52,680 --> 01:08:57,040
Speaker 1: the criticism should be levied. Is is was this a

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01:08:57,080 --> 01:09:01,200
Speaker 1: mistake or an accident waiting to happen as soon as

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01:09:01,240 --> 01:09:05,040
Speaker 1: you had somebody seemingly as slam Dunkins Belichick. Weren't we

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01:09:05,040 --> 01:09:06,639
Speaker 1: going to run into this sort of thing when you're

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Speaker 1: having him compete against seniors, et cetera. Should one thing

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01:09:10,320 --> 01:09:12,800
Speaker 1: have anything to do with the other. So I think

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01:09:12,880 --> 01:09:17,439
Speaker 1: that's all been laid out very nicely now and I'm

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01:09:17,439 --> 01:09:21,679
Speaker 1: hoping reason has has prevailed, and I can still absolutely

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01:09:21,760 --> 01:09:24,519
Speaker 1: respect people say, well, he should have been voted in

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01:09:24,640 --> 01:09:28,320
Speaker 1: right away, But those to me are all mitigating factors

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01:09:28,680 --> 01:09:33,600
Speaker 1: that are are defensible, understandable. And again, the irony the

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01:09:34,080 --> 01:09:36,679
Speaker 1: on the spygate one was the number of people back

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01:09:36,680 --> 01:09:39,920
Speaker 1: then who still felt he got off too easy. And

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Speaker 1: you have to factor this into even though you know

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01:09:43,360 --> 01:09:48,880
Speaker 1: obviously he's got this incredible super Bowl record, you can't

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01:09:48,960 --> 01:09:51,760
Speaker 1: leave that out. Even if you think he would have

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01:09:51,800 --> 01:09:55,760
Speaker 1: done fine without Spygate, the fact is he did participate

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01:09:55,840 --> 01:09:58,800
Speaker 1: in Spygate, and therefore and the league thought it was

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01:09:58,840 --> 01:10:02,360
Speaker 1: a big deal. And presumably you do it for one reason,

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01:10:02,439 --> 01:10:05,360
Speaker 1: right to give yourself. You think it's worth doing enough

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01:10:05,680 --> 01:10:07,799
Speaker 1: that it's going to give you some kind of competitive advantage.

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01:10:08,200 --> 01:10:11,080
Speaker 2: Is it provable that it ever did hard to do that?

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01:10:11,240 --> 01:10:11,479
Speaker 3: Right?

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01:10:11,560 --> 01:10:16,320
Speaker 1: But the exercise itself, I think is indicative of that's

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01:10:16,360 --> 01:10:20,920
Speaker 1: the approach that you're taking. So in any case, six

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01:10:20,920 --> 01:10:23,840
Speaker 1: four six eighty six is the Bradshaw Bryant k FA

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01:10:24,120 --> 01:10:27,040
Speaker 1: and text line. And we got a lot of good

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01:10:27,040 --> 01:10:30,400
Speaker 1: texts coming in. Let's get one more pause and then

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01:10:30,479 --> 01:10:32,560
Speaker 1: we'll mix and match pretty much the rest of the

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01:10:32,560 --> 01:10:33,559
Speaker 1: way until eleven o'clock.

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01:10:33,640 --> 01:10:54,040
Speaker 2: Right here in the fan, a lot.

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01:10:53,840 --> 01:10:57,480
Speaker 1: Of good texts coming in regarding the aftermath of the

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01:10:57,920 --> 01:11:03,240
Speaker 1: Bill Belichick Hall of Fame kerfuffle. Shall we say, let

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01:11:03,280 --> 01:11:05,720
Speaker 1: me get to a couple of those here in our

1118
01:11:05,760 --> 01:11:09,960
Speaker 1: final lengthy segment of today's edition of Sermons Burerow and

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01:11:10,000 --> 01:11:14,200
Speaker 1: blakemore with you till eleven o'clock today, Dan, I thought

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Speaker 1: that i'd one time heard someone say that being a

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01:11:16,479 --> 01:11:18,280
Speaker 1: first ballt Hall of Fame or for football fame is

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01:11:18,360 --> 01:11:21,640
Speaker 1: much different than for baseball. Can't remember the context, but

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01:11:21,720 --> 01:11:23,360
Speaker 1: there was a guest saying that in baseball first battle

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01:11:23,439 --> 01:11:24,720
Speaker 1: of Fame, Inductor is a specially I have won a

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01:11:24,720 --> 01:11:26,880
Speaker 1: reserve for the best of the best players. Hover in

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01:11:26,920 --> 01:11:29,120
Speaker 1: the football Hall of Fame wasn't quite as big a

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01:11:29,200 --> 01:11:32,840
Speaker 1: deal who got in the first ballot or subsequent ballots. Well,

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Speaker 1: it's an interesting point and a good one to raise.

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01:11:37,240 --> 01:11:42,920
Speaker 1: I think this is from Texter Todd in general. I

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01:11:42,960 --> 01:11:46,640
Speaker 1: think that's true. It felt like for baseball it's a

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01:11:46,680 --> 01:11:48,799
Speaker 1: bigger deal than football.

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01:11:52,080 --> 01:11:53,840
Speaker 2: I don't know if there What would be interesting to.

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01:11:53,800 --> 01:11:55,640
Speaker 1: Look up is if there are any examples of what

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01:11:55,720 --> 01:11:58,000
Speaker 1: seemed to be no brainers in football that didn't get

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01:11:58,040 --> 01:12:01,519
Speaker 1: in for one reason or another that created any kind

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01:12:01,600 --> 01:12:04,320
Speaker 1: of controversy. And maybe there hasn't been because it's so

1137
01:12:04,439 --> 01:12:09,880
Speaker 1: rarely has happened, but because historically the actually the baseball

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01:12:09,920 --> 01:12:12,879
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame I think, has been considered bigger than football.

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01:12:14,160 --> 01:12:18,320
Speaker 1: I'm talking about historically going back well back into the thirties, forties, fifties,

1140
01:12:18,840 --> 01:12:22,160
Speaker 1: and sixties, that there was more attention put on it

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01:12:22,560 --> 01:12:24,920
Speaker 1: the stuff I've mocked and ridiculed, and the Baseball Hall

1142
01:12:24,920 --> 01:12:29,519
Speaker 1: of Fame is the new bit is it's not enough

1143
01:12:29,560 --> 01:12:32,479
Speaker 1: to be a first ballot Hall of Famer, it's you

1144
01:12:32,600 --> 01:12:34,960
Speaker 1: better be a unanimous Hall of Famer. And if you're

1145
01:12:35,000 --> 01:12:38,720
Speaker 1: not unanimous, who are the idiots who didn't vote for you?

1146
01:12:39,200 --> 01:12:43,760
Speaker 1: Another silly, I think, and wasted exercise where people have

1147
01:12:43,880 --> 01:12:46,800
Speaker 1: absolutely lost their minds about what we need to do

1148
01:12:46,840 --> 01:12:50,799
Speaker 1: and how those individuals need to be outed, et cetera.

1149
01:12:51,360 --> 01:12:54,599
Speaker 1: And again, I used to vote for the Baseball Hall

1150
01:12:54,640 --> 01:12:59,360
Speaker 1: of Fame. I don't anymore, but what I do recall

1151
01:12:59,400 --> 01:13:03,000
Speaker 1: of it at the time, and I don't remember participating

1152
01:13:03,000 --> 01:13:06,520
Speaker 1: in this strategy, but there was, for some a strategy

1153
01:13:06,560 --> 01:13:10,120
Speaker 1: to it in that they said, all right, there's a

1154
01:13:10,120 --> 01:13:13,400
Speaker 1: couple of players I think are underrated and they're running

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01:13:13,439 --> 01:13:17,559
Speaker 1: out of time to get in. So here's what I'm

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01:13:17,560 --> 01:13:20,679
Speaker 1: gonna do. There's a no brain or first ballot guy.

1157
01:13:21,280 --> 01:13:23,799
Speaker 1: Let's just say, for the sake of argument, Ken Griffy Jr.

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01:13:24,120 --> 01:13:26,400
Speaker 1: I'm not going to mess with him because he's going

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01:13:26,479 --> 01:13:28,600
Speaker 1: to get in regardless, and I'm going to try to

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01:13:28,760 --> 01:13:30,400
Speaker 1: enhance the chances that a couple of people that I

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01:13:30,439 --> 01:13:32,760
Speaker 1: think are worthy. I'm not saying they're not. I think

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01:13:32,760 --> 01:13:35,840
Speaker 1: they are. Maybe get a little bit of a boost.

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01:13:36,040 --> 01:13:38,880
Speaker 1: And for the average roup, I guess who can't think

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01:13:38,960 --> 01:13:44,400
Speaker 1: past you know, their own shadow. It's that's outrageous. Either

1165
01:13:44,840 --> 01:13:48,800
Speaker 1: first ballot or you're not first ballot. Well, the rules

1166
01:13:48,840 --> 01:13:52,400
Speaker 1: are the rules that are in place, and there is

1167
01:13:52,479 --> 01:13:55,559
Speaker 1: nothing that says you can't strategically use your ballot the

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01:13:55,600 --> 01:13:57,120
Speaker 1: way I just laid out.

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01:13:57,320 --> 01:13:59,559
Speaker 2: Now, that's not as pure one could say.

1170
01:14:00,400 --> 01:14:04,360
Speaker 1: But then one would say, then then then come up

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01:14:04,360 --> 01:14:06,639
Speaker 1: with a different set of rules, and in this case,

1172
01:14:06,760 --> 01:14:08,720
Speaker 1: again for the Pro Football Hall Fame, come up with

1173
01:14:08,720 --> 01:14:12,599
Speaker 1: a different set of rules where you're not having folks

1174
01:14:12,640 --> 01:14:14,160
Speaker 1: compete against one another.

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01:14:13,880 --> 01:14:14,680
Speaker 2: Who really.

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01:14:16,200 --> 01:14:21,040
Speaker 1: Shouldn't have to. A couple more texts on this controversy.

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01:14:22,640 --> 01:14:25,760
Speaker 1: Uh second, where are we going?

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01:14:28,080 --> 01:14:30,800
Speaker 2: Fran Tarkan was voted in on the second try. That's good.

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01:14:30,880 --> 01:14:32,960
Speaker 1: I'll take him as his word. I don't remember that.

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01:14:32,960 --> 01:14:36,639
Speaker 1: That is interesting. The Pro Football Hall of Fame committee

1181
01:14:36,640 --> 01:14:41,120
Speaker 1: is punishing coach Belchian for being a jerk. The press

1182
01:14:41,160 --> 01:14:43,080
Speaker 1: doesn't like him. Fran had to wait a year for

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01:14:43,120 --> 01:14:45,920
Speaker 1: his treatment towards the press. Bill will be voted in

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01:14:45,960 --> 01:14:49,120
Speaker 1: next year. That's Dave and Shoreview. Can I rule out

1185
01:14:49,120 --> 01:14:53,439
Speaker 1: the possibility that even as less as few as you know,

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01:14:53,520 --> 01:14:55,680
Speaker 1: even one voter did it that way for that reason, No,

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01:14:55,760 --> 01:14:56,080
Speaker 1: I can't.

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01:14:56,120 --> 01:14:57,479
Speaker 2: I can't get in the minds of other people.

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01:14:58,280 --> 01:15:03,520
Speaker 1: I don't I believe that his resume is so overpowering

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01:15:04,240 --> 01:15:06,519
Speaker 1: that even if you are of the opinion that he's

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01:15:06,560 --> 01:15:09,120
Speaker 1: a jerk and you don't like the way he answered questions,

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01:15:10,840 --> 01:15:13,519
Speaker 1: I refuse to believe that many voters would have kept

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01:15:13,560 --> 01:15:16,000
Speaker 1: him out for that reason. It's I think it's the

1194
01:15:16,080 --> 01:15:19,559
Speaker 1: laziest observation that's been offered. I've heard it, and I've

1195
01:15:19,560 --> 01:15:22,439
Speaker 1: heard it before, but I don't think it applies in

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01:15:22,760 --> 01:15:23,360
Speaker 1: this situation.

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01:15:23,600 --> 01:15:24,280
Speaker 2: I really don't.

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01:15:24,320 --> 01:15:27,439
Speaker 1: I think it's you've got something on the record that

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01:15:27,479 --> 01:15:31,559
Speaker 1: has nothing to do with treatment, but with the treatment

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01:15:31,680 --> 01:15:36,200
Speaker 1: of the game. You can say. The one box for

1201
01:15:36,280 --> 01:15:39,840
Speaker 1: me on Belichick has always been regarding Spygate is that

1202
01:15:40,320 --> 01:15:43,320
Speaker 1: he has a great respect for the history of the game,

1203
01:15:43,400 --> 01:15:45,479
Speaker 1: a great knowledge of the history of the game, a

1204
01:15:45,520 --> 01:15:47,960
Speaker 1: great belief in it, a love for it. And to me,

1205
01:15:49,120 --> 01:15:54,000
Speaker 1: you are sullying all of that when you participate in

1206
01:15:54,040 --> 01:15:57,080
Speaker 1: what his organization participated in. Even if it did not

1207
01:15:57,800 --> 01:16:00,240
Speaker 1: affect the outcome of a single game, that's the that's

1208
01:16:00,280 --> 01:16:02,840
Speaker 1: the box for him, and I think it's far more

1209
01:16:02,920 --> 01:16:06,559
Speaker 1: likely it's that more than whether he answered phone calls

1210
01:16:06,680 --> 01:16:13,880
Speaker 1: or did not. Good Morning down under the premise of

1211
01:16:13,960 --> 01:16:16,400
Speaker 1: Belchi did not get in due to Spygate, should these

1212
01:16:16,439 --> 01:16:18,240
Speaker 1: voters also not vote Brady and on the first chance

1213
01:16:18,320 --> 01:16:20,720
Speaker 1: due to flate Gate and Spygate? Wondering what your thoughts

1214
01:16:20,760 --> 01:16:22,840
Speaker 1: are Personally, I don't care about either. Hall of Fame

1215
01:16:22,920 --> 01:16:25,280
Speaker 1: is diluted as it is, well, that's another open question.

1216
01:16:25,360 --> 01:16:28,599
Speaker 1: Some people think it is diluted to a certain extent.

1217
01:16:28,720 --> 01:16:32,560
Speaker 1: It was who said that? Was it?

1218
01:16:32,560 --> 01:16:34,240
Speaker 2: It might have been Sanders.

1219
01:16:34,240 --> 01:16:37,400
Speaker 1: I can't remember who said made that comment and that

1220
01:16:37,560 --> 01:16:40,000
Speaker 1: I thought some people said it might have contributed to

1221
01:16:40,280 --> 01:16:45,000
Speaker 1: the change in the voting, But I'd have to do

1222
01:16:45,000 --> 01:16:48,360
Speaker 1: a little bit of research on that. It's a fair question.

1223
01:16:49,600 --> 01:16:53,000
Speaker 1: I mean, I always viewed to flate Gate. If I

1224
01:16:53,040 --> 01:16:56,040
Speaker 1: had to rank my gates, I always thought that Spygate

1225
01:16:56,120 --> 01:16:59,000
Speaker 1: was worse than the flight Gate. But I'd have to

1226
01:16:59,040 --> 01:17:03,480
Speaker 1: go back and really think about what was involved into Flategate.

1227
01:17:04,160 --> 01:17:06,920
Speaker 1: And I don't remember what the punishment was for Defaul

1228
01:17:06,920 --> 01:17:10,280
Speaker 1: although Brady I think was suspended for four games. Pretty

1229
01:17:10,280 --> 01:17:12,960
Speaker 1: sure Brady ended up getting suspended for four that's significant,

1230
01:17:14,560 --> 01:17:15,280
Speaker 1: but I don't know.

1231
01:17:16,360 --> 01:17:17,200
Speaker 2: Difficult to say.

1232
01:17:19,800 --> 01:17:23,519
Speaker 1: Obviously, comparing him Belichick to Terrell Owens isn't accurate, but

1233
01:17:23,640 --> 01:17:25,640
Speaker 1: Owen's carried baggage of being a diva in ways that

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01:17:25,720 --> 01:17:28,599
Speaker 1: made him harder to like see. To me, that shouldn't

1235
01:17:28,680 --> 01:17:32,280
Speaker 1: enter into it at all, especially if you're as good

1236
01:17:32,320 --> 01:17:35,519
Speaker 1: a receiver as he was, or Belichick was as good

1237
01:17:35,560 --> 01:17:36,360
Speaker 1: a coach as he was.

1238
01:17:36,400 --> 01:17:36,880
Speaker 2: I just don't.

1239
01:17:37,760 --> 01:17:40,519
Speaker 1: I just don't think those things should have anything to

1240
01:17:40,560 --> 01:17:44,080
Speaker 1: do with it at all. That Joe Burrow bit as exciting,

1241
01:17:44,120 --> 01:17:46,679
Speaker 1: believe it would energize, re energize the fan base.

1242
01:17:47,160 --> 01:17:51,519
Speaker 2: It would, I wouldn't. I don't think people should get too.

1243
01:17:52,920 --> 01:17:55,160
Speaker 1: Worked up over that or too excited over that, because

1244
01:17:55,160 --> 01:17:57,000
Speaker 1: I think it's very much a long shot.

1245
01:17:56,760 --> 01:17:57,360
Speaker 3: I don't.

1246
01:17:57,880 --> 01:18:00,400
Speaker 1: I think that's less likely to happen, actually than the

1247
01:18:00,600 --> 01:18:05,320
Speaker 1: Wolves getting Yannis. If you're asking me to rank possibilities,

1248
01:18:05,840 --> 01:18:08,400
Speaker 1: those are two massive sized moves.

1249
01:18:08,439 --> 01:18:10,040
Speaker 2: And that's what I wanted to get back to. Regarding

1250
01:18:10,080 --> 01:18:11,000
Speaker 2: the Wolves.

1251
01:18:11,720 --> 01:18:14,000
Speaker 1: Think about what we now take for granted, Okay, because

1252
01:18:14,000 --> 01:18:18,760
Speaker 1: what's on The record from reporters who we trust is

1253
01:18:18,800 --> 01:18:25,960
Speaker 1: that Yannis has indicated that he would be more than

1254
01:18:26,000 --> 01:18:29,680
Speaker 1: willing to be traded to Minnesota. That mean he will be,

1255
01:18:29,800 --> 01:18:32,760
Speaker 1: but that he's approving of it. And this is the

1256
01:18:32,800 --> 01:18:34,679
Speaker 1: league in which that's the way, for better or for worse.

1257
01:18:34,720 --> 01:18:37,439
Speaker 1: It tends to work more than in other leagues. Right,

1258
01:18:38,600 --> 01:18:42,120
Speaker 1: we now take for granted that a world class player,

1259
01:18:42,120 --> 01:18:47,519
Speaker 1: a two time MVP, would be perfectly content coming to

1260
01:18:47,600 --> 01:18:50,840
Speaker 1: this franchise. We don't even realize how big that is.

1261
01:18:51,600 --> 01:18:54,760
Speaker 1: I mean, honestly, we don't. The kids who grew up

1262
01:18:54,800 --> 01:18:57,720
Speaker 1: with this iteration of the Wolves have no idea how

1263
01:18:57,760 --> 01:19:03,680
Speaker 1: absurd that possibility would even sound. Through most of the

1264
01:19:03,760 --> 01:19:09,960
Speaker 1: decades of this team's you know existence, it would be

1265
01:19:10,240 --> 01:19:12,759
Speaker 1: what do you No no one will even asked the question,

1266
01:19:12,960 --> 01:19:14,760
Speaker 1: would you be willing to go to Minnesota and be

1267
01:19:14,760 --> 01:19:15,480
Speaker 1: at the Timberwolves?

1268
01:19:15,920 --> 01:19:17,200
Speaker 2: Let you be laughed out of the room.

1269
01:19:18,160 --> 01:19:22,800
Speaker 1: If Sham's asked that question, to be honest's people, they'd lay, well,

1270
01:19:23,240 --> 01:19:25,599
Speaker 1: don't waste my time with something so nonsensical. Of course,

1271
01:19:25,640 --> 01:19:27,920
Speaker 1: we wouldn't even consider going there. So none of that

1272
01:19:28,040 --> 01:19:31,840
Speaker 1: means he's coming, But it is another sign of the

1273
01:19:31,960 --> 01:19:35,719
Speaker 1: right of passage and that this is, if nothing else

1274
01:19:35,840 --> 01:19:40,519
Speaker 1: right now, a viable, big time National Basketball Association franchise

1275
01:19:40,600 --> 01:19:43,719
Speaker 1: in Flyover Country. And I think you've got a number

1276
01:19:43,760 --> 01:19:47,560
Speaker 1: of people to think for that, including quite frankly, the

1277
01:19:47,600 --> 01:19:50,200
Speaker 1: new owners, because I don't think Tim Conley is here

1278
01:19:50,240 --> 01:19:53,679
Speaker 1: without them, and I think probably more than any single move,

1279
01:19:55,760 --> 01:20:01,040
Speaker 1: Tim Conley's arrival is what brought a tremendous measure of

1280
01:20:01,080 --> 01:20:04,879
Speaker 1: credibility that this franchise rarely had now flip pad credibility

1281
01:20:04,920 --> 01:20:08,439
Speaker 1: around the league, there's no question about that. But Conley

1282
01:20:08,840 --> 01:20:10,479
Speaker 1: won a title. Well he didn't win it while he

1283
01:20:10,560 --> 01:20:12,720
Speaker 1: was there, but he with his team they ended up

1284
01:20:12,720 --> 01:20:15,080
Speaker 1: winning it, and he's viewed as really, you know, a

1285
01:20:15,680 --> 01:20:18,439
Speaker 1: top five general manager in the league. And when he

1286
01:20:18,560 --> 01:20:21,479
Speaker 1: decides to come here, that puts a certain imprint that

1287
01:20:21,920 --> 01:20:25,000
Speaker 1: had not previously existed, especially when you factor and once

1288
01:20:25,040 --> 01:20:28,280
Speaker 1: flip passed away, then it's all bets are off again.

1289
01:20:28,280 --> 01:20:32,320
Speaker 1: It seems like we're sliding once again in a wrong direction.

1290
01:20:32,600 --> 01:20:36,760
Speaker 1: So it's Conley's arrival, which was largely brought up by

1291
01:20:36,760 --> 01:20:39,960
Speaker 1: the aggressiveness of the new owners, and obviously Anthony edwards

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Speaker 1: arrival and development, and again the guy who drafted it

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Speaker 1: was Gerson Rosas, who made a number of significant moves

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Speaker 1: even if it ended badly for him here as well.

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Speaker 1: So I don't want us to like let that get

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Speaker 1: away without at least mentioning it. That the the idea that,

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Speaker 1: I mean, we're not just talking about, you know, a

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Speaker 1: top twenty player, not just talking about another really great player.

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Speaker 1: We're talking about an all time player. And you're honest

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Speaker 1: and so matter of factly at being reported, Yes, he

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Speaker 1: would be he heal, It respects Anthony Edwards, he respects

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Speaker 1: this franchise and have no difficulty coming here. I mean,

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Speaker 1: that's just that's beyond the pale. When you factor in

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Speaker 1: the history of this team, it cannot be taken for granted.

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Speaker 4: That that's kind of like a recruit saying I want

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Speaker 4: to go play football for Indiana is yeah, you're right.

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Speaker 2: It's a great point.

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Speaker 1: What it sounded preposterous as of two years ago, Right,

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Speaker 1: you want to go where you mean the basketball school, right,

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01:21:40,600 --> 01:21:42,799
Speaker 1: or the former basketball school. So that's a great analogy.

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Speaker 1: That's exactly what it's like. So we'll see where it goes.

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Speaker 1: The fall guy is quazy. Most takes are lazy. I

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Speaker 1: prefer my donuts. Glazy wolsn't fine. That's a cecil in

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Speaker 1: Maple Grove. Very well played there, too, Dan. I hear

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Speaker 1: people say the Vikings fan base needs re energizing.

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Speaker 2: That is ludicrous.

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Speaker 1: Do they see the crowd at the Lions game on

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Speaker 1: Christmas Day? They see the reaction of fans to any

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01:22:09,720 --> 01:22:14,040
Speaker 1: Vikings news, good or bad. The Twins base needs re energizing,

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Speaker 1: the Vikings will not for a long time. That's another

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01:22:17,080 --> 01:22:20,280
Speaker 1: fair point. Yeah, I don't think energizing is a problem

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Speaker 1: for the Vikings fans. They're into it, and they are curious,

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Speaker 1: and they want to know where this is going, and

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01:22:26,880 --> 01:22:28,400
Speaker 1: they want to believe it's going to get better. But

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01:22:28,439 --> 01:22:32,160
Speaker 1: they're still all committed to it. And what do we say,

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01:22:32,200 --> 01:22:38,559
Speaker 1: I mean, the most dangerous quality for any pro sports

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Speaker 1: franchise isn't anger. It's apathy, right, it's I don't care

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01:22:42,439 --> 01:22:44,120
Speaker 1: do what everyone I don't know? They ain interested me.

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Speaker 1: And there's a lot of anger and frustration with where

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Speaker 1: the Vikings are right now and concern about the fact

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01:22:50,640 --> 01:22:55,920
Speaker 1: that right now, as Guestling said to his Friday, you've

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Speaker 1: got two of three real key spots wide open right

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01:23:01,040 --> 01:23:03,640
Speaker 1: now and be in question. If you believe in the

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01:23:03,680 --> 01:23:06,960
Speaker 1: head coach, you still have him here, right but you

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01:23:07,080 --> 01:23:09,479
Speaker 1: have no general manager that's open and it's going to

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Speaker 1: stay open for a while. And what do you have

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01:23:11,760 --> 01:23:15,240
Speaker 1: at quarterback? Nothing established? So in two of the three

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01:23:15,960 --> 01:23:19,280
Speaker 1: you could argue key spots for any organization. There are

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01:23:19,320 --> 01:23:25,080
Speaker 1: great questions in Minnesota. One is unproven and it's showing

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Speaker 1: some vulnerability. I'm talking about the QB and one we

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01:23:27,520 --> 01:23:29,800
Speaker 1: don't know who it is yet and you know, you

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Speaker 1: think this would be an attractive job, but it's apparently

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Speaker 1: going to be open a little bit for all of that. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you could make the point, as somebody said, that drafting

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01:23:38,680 --> 01:23:41,400
Speaker 1: Aunt is the key to it, because would Tim Conley

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Speaker 1: have been willing to come here if Anthony Edwards wasn't.

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01:23:44,160 --> 01:23:46,880
Speaker 1: It's a fair point too, But they still got him here.

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Speaker 1: And to me, that can't be taken for granted either,

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Speaker 1: because again, when we're talking about stability right now, that's

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01:23:57,640 --> 01:24:01,320
Speaker 1: the franchise you think of stability. You could say the

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01:24:01,400 --> 01:24:04,479
Speaker 1: Wild in that regard are not far behind either. Garren

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01:24:04,560 --> 01:24:07,640
Speaker 1: I think is pretty locked in. The head coach I

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01:24:07,720 --> 01:24:10,559
Speaker 1: think is fairly locked in. How long has Garon been now?

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01:24:10,640 --> 01:24:12,160
Speaker 1: The head coach hasn't been the head coach for that

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01:24:12,280 --> 01:24:14,320
Speaker 1: long yet. Garren got here, what year?

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Speaker 2: Good question?

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01:24:15,200 --> 01:24:17,080
Speaker 1: What year did Billy g How long's Billy Garrett? He's

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01:24:17,120 --> 01:24:18,680
Speaker 1: been here for a hot minute. Yeah, it has been

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01:24:18,680 --> 01:24:23,000
Speaker 1: a while now too, and all those things are are

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01:24:23,400 --> 01:24:30,639
Speaker 1: important to hear. Let's see here twenty nineteen. Yeah, okay,

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Speaker 1: so that's an ye. Yeah, you're coming up on seven years.

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Speaker 2: Dan.

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Speaker 1: I think you're right about the Vikings and not going

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01:24:37,200 --> 01:24:38,680
Speaker 1: after back Jones. They are not ready to admit that

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01:24:38,720 --> 01:24:40,720
Speaker 1: they may have made a mistake. I don't think a

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01:24:40,760 --> 01:24:42,200
Speaker 1: lot of people should be ready for that quite yet,

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Speaker 1: seeing that he missed his first year with injury McCarthy's

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Speaker 1: talking about. I do think Vikings because use a good

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01:24:47,240 --> 01:24:50,280
Speaker 1: backup like Marcus Mariota would be better than what they

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Speaker 1: had last year. I agree with that Mariota would be

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Speaker 1: a better option, might be a gettable option. I don't know.

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Speaker 1: If I love him as a starter is like if

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Speaker 1: a plug in starter, because what you're trying to get

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Speaker 1: to I think this year is not a guy you

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Speaker 1: view as can win a game or hang in for

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01:25:06,360 --> 01:25:08,479
Speaker 1: a game or two. You want to see if you

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01:25:08,560 --> 01:25:11,640
Speaker 1: can thread the needle to get a guy who you

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01:25:11,680 --> 01:25:14,000
Speaker 1: could turn the team over to for seven games or

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01:25:14,200 --> 01:25:17,040
Speaker 1: for the rest of a season if for whatever reason,

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Speaker 1: your starter gets hurt or your starter struggles cousins, I

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Speaker 1: thought I read this weekend is about to be released?

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01:25:26,400 --> 01:25:27,679
Speaker 2: Or has he already been released?

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Speaker 1: That's another name that we can't forget about, not because

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Speaker 1: I love the name, but because he would be gettable.

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Speaker 1: One would assume if he's going to be released. I

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01:25:37,560 --> 01:25:40,519
Speaker 1: don't know what all the contract permutations are of that,

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01:25:40,800 --> 01:25:45,519
Speaker 1: but you can't, I mean, you can't completely rule him out.

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Speaker 1: What's Belichick's record without Tom Brady? It's not very good?

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Speaker 1: But are you going to hold that against how many?

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Speaker 1: I mean, how about Phil Jackson? How good was Phil

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Speaker 1: Jackson without Michael Jordan, Scottie Pippen, Kobe Bryant, ke O'Neal

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Speaker 1: well in New York as running that team?

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Speaker 2: Not very good.

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Speaker 1: But I come from the philosophy of if you take

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Speaker 1: full advantage, or take to the fullest advantage, the opportunities

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Speaker 1: you have with your talent, I can't rip you for it.

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Speaker 2: I can't.

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Speaker 1: If you win titles, you win titles, because the assumption

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Speaker 1: is anybody could win titles with them, and I'm not

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Speaker 1: sure that's necessarily always the case.

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Speaker 2: So worst case scenario.

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Speaker 4: Again today, I keep forgetting one and a half hour

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Speaker 4: of worst case scenario minutes. Yep, okay, get you set

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01:26:33,640 --> 01:26:36,240
Speaker 4: for Gopher basketball pregame at twelve thirty.

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Speaker 2: Oh, tip it one, tip it one? Who we playing it?

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01:26:38,280 --> 01:26:41,280
Speaker 2: I should know and I don't. They are at Happy Valley.

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Speaker 2: Oh that's right.

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01:26:42,240 --> 01:26:47,639
Speaker 1: Guards you mentioned that they're at at Penn State. After well,

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01:26:47,720 --> 01:26:52,519
Speaker 1: they they've had some games lately where you know, they've

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01:26:52,920 --> 01:26:55,599
Speaker 1: almost been in a dominant position and then found those

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01:26:55,760 --> 01:27:00,760
Speaker 1: leads evaporate rather dramatically and rather quickly. It's I think

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01:27:01,000 --> 01:27:03,240
Speaker 1: the coach knows what he's doing. It's also clear that

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Speaker 1: he needs more people, and that's going to be the question.

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Speaker 1: Can he get them and can he keep them? Or

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01:27:08,240 --> 01:27:10,880
Speaker 1: if you can't keep him, can he For example, is

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01:27:10,920 --> 01:27:14,280
Speaker 1: it possible Anthony Edwards might have some college eligibility and

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01:27:14,320 --> 01:27:16,880
Speaker 1: then for a given let's see how a given open

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01:27:17,160 --> 01:27:20,560
Speaker 1: Wool's day, could he just join the Gophers in a

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01:27:20,600 --> 01:27:24,240
Speaker 1: Big ten game. Because there's some of the stuff that's

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01:27:24,280 --> 01:27:27,880
Speaker 1: going on here from players petitioning and suing, it's that

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01:27:28,280 --> 01:27:33,680
Speaker 1: crazy right now. The madness, the I guess the disintegration

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Speaker 1: of the wall between professional and amateur when it comes

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01:27:38,640 --> 01:27:41,600
Speaker 1: to college and pros. It's seemingly gone. And where the

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01:27:41,720 --> 01:27:43,240
Speaker 1: question is going to be where it ends? You know

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01:27:43,320 --> 01:27:45,760
Speaker 1: where it lands exactly, and we'll have to see. Might

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Speaker 1: we name this nonami?

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01:27:47,000 --> 01:27:47,280
Speaker 2: I don't know.

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01:27:47,320 --> 01:27:48,680
Speaker 1: I don't know how much we're supposed to get. I

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01:27:48,720 --> 01:27:50,400
Speaker 1: thought this was supposed to be over by about now,

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01:27:50,479 --> 01:27:53,960
Speaker 1: but we'll take that under advisement Tomorrow Johnny Athletic.

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Speaker 2: Tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: We are going to also try to get Billy Garrett

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01:27:58,040 --> 01:28:00,439
Speaker 1: early in the week because the assumption is with the

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01:28:00,560 --> 01:28:05,479
Speaker 1: wild season right now winding down before the Olympics, we

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01:28:05,600 --> 01:28:08,439
Speaker 1: want to get to garn to talk about his team and.

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01:28:09,920 --> 01:28:10,920
Speaker 2: Where he's headed next.

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Speaker 1: Have you seen the new version of Miracle that the

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01:28:15,479 --> 01:28:18,080
Speaker 1: documentary that just dropped on Netflix. I hear it's getting

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01:28:18,120 --> 01:28:20,439
Speaker 1: Oh you have seen it? Is as good as others

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01:28:20,479 --> 01:28:24,240
Speaker 1: have suggested. It's very good if you're a diehard movie watcher.

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01:28:24,320 --> 01:28:26,720
Speaker 1: Is not a whole lot of new information, but there's

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01:28:26,880 --> 01:28:30,040
Speaker 1: new player testimonials and stuff that make it worthwhich that's

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01:28:30,080 --> 01:28:32,400
Speaker 1: Netflix correct. Yes, I look forward to watching that hopefully

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01:28:32,439 --> 01:28:35,759
Speaker 1: sometime this weekend. Thanks for watching, thanks indeed for listening.

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Speaker 1: Worst case scenario is next, and we will talk to

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Speaker 1: you tomorrow from these very studios, beginning at three