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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 1: Who is the head coach the Steelers shouldn't hire? I

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Speaker 1: think the consensus is that Shula is a safe and

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Speaker 1: you know, use McCarthy to try to keep Rogers. Although

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Speaker 1: a story broke to the Bleacher Report about how much

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Speaker 1: Rogers hates McCarthy, So maybe my presumption in that regard

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Speaker 1: is wrong. Rogers, who's the pettiest guy ever.

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Speaker 3: He's just a dink. He's just an absolute frickin dink.

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Speaker 4: Uh.

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Speaker 1: He apparently still hates McCarthy because McCarthy was the offensive

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Speaker 1: has his knickers in a twist about that. I definitely

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Speaker 1: wouldn't hire Flores, but they might might hire Anthony Weaver.

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Speaker 1: Like I said, we can't ignore that the Rooney rule

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Speaker 1: is named the Rooney rule, and that Art wants to

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Speaker 1: point of being obsessed by that. But the guy wouldn't

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Speaker 1: good job as a defensive coordinator in Minnesota, and you know,

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Speaker 1: he was a linebackers coach here, I guess he did, Okay,

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Speaker 1: I mean, who knows he's the linebackers coach who cares?

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Speaker 3: But he was head coach of Miami. He mangled it.

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Speaker 1: They say they don't want to recycle, Well, why would

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Speaker 1: the one guy you're looking at where would be recycling?

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Speaker 1: Why would that be the guy that mangled it? Then again,

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Speaker 1: I guess Karthy, who won a Super Bowl in Green

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Speaker 1: Bay and like Tom said earlier, did better in Dallas

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Speaker 1: who's the guy that you would not hire?

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Speaker 1: afternoon sixty three. It wasn't a masterpiece, but it felt

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Speaker 1: like kind of a big win. Sid now has three

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Speaker 1: multipoint games in a row, and the last night was

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Speaker 2: Sid.

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Speaker 1: It's like every night is a milestone for Sid, and

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Speaker 1: he marked the occasion by throwing a big hit, knock

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Speaker 3: Penguins have been a bit more physical lately.

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Speaker 1: I think part of that is because our guest at

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Speaker 1: I said at four thirty, a deer got two goals

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Speaker 3: And he is now tied.

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Speaker 1: like Sterotur, who's the best and awful? And Nonsen points

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Speaker 3: And at three thirty.

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Speaker 1: But right now we want you, that's right, yes, you

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Speaker 4: The X At one oh five nine, Steimefer calls on

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Speaker 4: the fifteens, what Steelers coach would be the worst tire?

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Speaker 1: What name scares you off? You want to give me

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Speaker 3: Let's go to Brian in South Hills. Brian are on

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Speaker 2: I'm Mark, how you doing today?

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Speaker 3: Good man up?

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Speaker 2: Good question for you. So, if you look at the

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Speaker 6: No matter who they hire, do you feel.

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Speaker 2: That that coach is going to have the autonomy of

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Speaker 1: I don't think that the Rooneys have that say beyond

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Speaker 1: Rooneys interfere. I mean they gave Tom within total autonomy.

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Speaker 1: the boss.

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Speaker 3: Let's go to Harry.

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Speaker 7: I like you about self because I think he brings

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Speaker 3: To think from a distance, I agree with.

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Speaker 7: You, okay. And the other thing is I don't like

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Speaker 7: the Weaver guy because, Uh, I heard he's a friendly

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Speaker 7: players coach, and I really don't want one hundred percent

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Speaker 3: Just nice with the local media anyway.

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Speaker 1: I mean he kissed eyes his ass and and and

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Speaker 3: But yeah, I mean I don't care.

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Speaker 1: I don't care about that, to be honest, though, I

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Speaker 1: don't want a player's coach. You're right about that. I

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Speaker 1: don't want the guy who's their friend. I want a boss.

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Speaker 1: But we don't know if Shula is that or not that?

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Speaker 1: I mean everything we're thinking, we are thinking from a distance.

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Speaker 3: What makes it very likely inaccurate? Let's go to John John.

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Speaker 5: What's up, hey, Mark? About the Pens?

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Speaker 6: If that's cool?

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Speaker 5: I don't really care about the Steelers right now. Okay,

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Speaker 5: So the shootout loss record right now is thirteen games

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Speaker 5: also not the only team that's struggling. Colorado's one in

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Speaker 5: Edmonton's zero to three. Why do you think these teams

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Speaker 5: just not care about it?

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Speaker 1: I think a lot of teams don't emphasize the shootout,

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Speaker 1: Like what teams.

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Speaker 3: Did you mention?

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Speaker 1: Like in Edmonton, they know they don't need the shootout points,

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean, so they their preparation for it.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I can't I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I'm not at their practices, but I would bet it's minimal.

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Speaker 3: But some teams really need the shootout points.

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Speaker 1: That's like Ray Shiro when he was the GM and

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Speaker 1: Dan Bosma was the coach of the Penguins. They knew

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Speaker 1: that the Penguins needed those shootout points. That was after

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Speaker 1: know what, what's what's you know that they need those points.

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Speaker 1: Let's go to uh Joe in New York?

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Speaker 6: What up?

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Speaker 3: Man?

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Speaker 4: Hey?

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Speaker 6: I uh, well, I tell you who I don't want.

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Speaker 6: I do not want whoever Artru any of the second

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Speaker 3: Oh that no, No, I'm with you.

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Speaker 1: I have no faith in who they choose, because these

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Speaker 1: Rooneys ain't those roonies. That said, Shula seems to be

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Speaker 1: universally highly regarded in Selhouse, not far behind. I just

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and I'll tell you what I don't. I don't

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Speaker 6: think they'll pick them. I don't like mentor he has

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Speaker 6: little NFL experience. And I'll tell you remember the last

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Speaker 6: head coach I hired who had minimal defensive coordinator experience

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Speaker 6: in the NFL, and how he turned out.

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Speaker 3: And I don't want You can't say Tom Win turned

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Speaker 3: out bad, Bruv. You just can't.

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Speaker 4: You.

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Speaker 1: You can say that how he did, no, no, Bruv.

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Speaker 1: You can say how he did is vastly overrated.

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Speaker 3: But he did, and he did great.

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Speaker 1: The first four years with somebody else's roster, culture and leaders.

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Speaker 1: But you can't say it's a failure. No coach has

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Speaker 8: Thanks, super genius. So, uh, yeah, you asked about someone

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the idea, should not hire. Oh right, right right, Oh,

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Speaker 3: On my interview list, who would you say they should

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Speaker 1: You would be against recycling a head coach, but give

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Speaker 1: Up Next, we're gonna talk hockey with Pierre McGuire one

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Speaker 1: oh five ninety X.

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Speaker 4: Hey find yourself needing a little post holiday cash infused?

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Speaker 3: Yes, your voice is like week to my ear. The

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Speaker 1: last night that Penguin's fourth line has developed into kind

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Speaker 3: How impactful is it and why, Well.

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Speaker 2: We've talked about it for a while now. It's a

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Speaker 2: accept it number one. You've got to practice it. Number two,

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Speaker 2: And when you're put into the games, you can't deviate

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Speaker 2: So these guys have all done those three things and

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Speaker 2: because of that, they're very respective and I think they

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Speaker 1: What makes a good fourth line in general, Pierre. And

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Speaker 1: how much of it is the line the players knowing

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Speaker 2: That's a big part of it, number one. But number two,

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Speaker 2: we're gonna make it effective as guys that aren't afraid

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Speaker 2: that understand they're not gonna be able to make slick

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Speaker 2: whether they're on the backcheck, or whether they're just planning

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Speaker 2: and it's guys that really want to have this identity

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Speaker 2: you could have in the league. Well, this one in

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Speaker 2: Pittsburgh maybe doesn't have the physical fighting prowess that that

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Speaker 1: It's early days, Pierre, but Chinnikoff seems a consistent threat,

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, because one number one, there's a respect that

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Speaker 2: we talked about it, you know, Sena COV's never really

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Speaker 2: obviously in Pittsford with Malcolm. Malcolm his mentored by to

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Speaker 2: So I think it's great. And Keena Coff's done a

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Speaker 2: Brazo just keeps getting better all the time, which is

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Speaker 2: really good news for the Penguins. And you got to say, Mark,

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Speaker 2: with the back pass, the backhand pass to retard Roquel.

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Speaker 2: There are not a lot of people in the world

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Speaker 3: Oh, no question. I mean Sid's just doing so much.

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Speaker 1: I mean he's passing Gordy how for this record time

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Speaker 3: He just keeps putting up numbers, fourteen hundred games.

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Speaker 1: It's like there's so many milestones that he reaches like

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Speaker 1: it seems game by game. Really big ones can get

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Speaker 2: Oh, they really can, you know. And that's the biggest

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Speaker 2: a lot of people said, no, they can't do this,

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Speaker 2: the deadline. Well, most people didn't think Pittsburgh would even

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Speaker 2: I think we'll see five teams. Just like last year.

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Speaker 2: It's in the Atlantics. So it's really important for Pittsburgh

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Speaker 2: They're obviously really important in Calgary in Edmonton in a

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought they should beat Seattle. I think they

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Speaker 1: I think that's a lost Costpier McDavid kills the Penguins

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Speaker 2: Think that's a good point too. But the biggest thing

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Speaker 2: They don't know if they want to be a team

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Speaker 2: They're gonna have to get better as a group that

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Speaker 2: fact they should be Calgary and Calgary. The thing that

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Speaker 2: And I think it's gonna be interesting on this trip,

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Speaker 1: No question about that. I think Skinner's done real well.

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Speaker 2: I think at some point here you're gonna see one

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Speaker 3: You know, it's weird.

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Speaker 1: I think Skinner's done real well, but he's an easy study.

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Speaker 1: Whenever I talked to opposition coaches after they play the Penguins,

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Speaker 2: That's the biggest thing about him. I remember when I

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Speaker 2: a while, and I don't think that's going to change

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Speaker 1: The Penguins have cut down their goals against a lot,

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Speaker 3: Where does that come from?

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Speaker 2: Neutral zone defense? The forwards are committing and helping one

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Speaker 2: just they stabilize the neutral zone and makes it an

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Speaker 2: they can have tighter gaps so they can trust the

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Speaker 2: Forge to be there to fill in if they step up.

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Speaker 2: It's really it's a team that's working well together.

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Speaker 3: Right now, we're talking to Pierre Maguire.

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Speaker 1: Pierre brought to us by Always Say Flagging and Traffic Control.

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Speaker 1: Kendall hasn't scored in seventeen games. Pier, Is that a

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Speaker 2: It's part of the deal. It's he's eighteen. Usually these

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Speaker 2: they're into Christmas and they don't realize all them only

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Speaker 2: it's almost one hundred percent predictable with a lot of

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Speaker 3: Would you do? Would you send him a game?

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Speaker 1: The break at the Olympics is going to be welcome

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Speaker 2: I'm just going to make sure that I'm probably monitoring

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Speaker 2: down back to junior, which I think is really important,

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Speaker 2: and he's can to be part of a really good

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Speaker 2: team in camberll Whi's a team that's actually owned by

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Speaker 2: Mark Reki and Jerome Aginla, which is good news. And

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Speaker 2: I know how excited they are to have them there.

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Speaker 2: So young players need mentorships, they need futelage, and they

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Speaker 2: need rest, they need to learn, And I think this

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Speaker 2: will be really good for Kendall going forward to say,

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Speaker 2: I think it would be really good for Brune going

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Speaker 2: forward to being in that cameras.

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Speaker 1: It's weird, Pierre, because Eric Carlson is out, although he

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Speaker 1: is on the trip and is expected to play at

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Speaker 1: some point during it. But I feel that Latang is

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Speaker 1: playing better in Carlson's absence, and then.

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Speaker 3: Watherspoon and Q like both score yesterday. Like I said,

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Speaker 3: it's kind of weird.

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Speaker 2: No, it's a good point though, because it does have relevance.

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Speaker 2: Christopher looks more composed with the Puck's making easier decisions,

453
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Speaker 2: not making harder decisions. He's not trying to be too cute.

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Speaker 2: When he gets himself into trouble, it's because he's trying

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Speaker 2: to be too cute deep in his own zone and

456
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Speaker 2: turns of puck over. He tries to make bad reads.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, no, I agree with that, and Eric will

458
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Speaker 2: come back and he'll help the team, and I think

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Speaker 2: one of the things that's happened there again, I'm really

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Speaker 2: proud of, you know, Todd Nelson what he's been able

461
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Speaker 2: to do there with their defense. Guys are getting better,

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Speaker 2: Shade getting better, Roterston has gotten better. You see le

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Speaker 2: Tang is getting better. I think Eric Carlson was having

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Speaker 2: a tremendous year. There's you know, there's something that's got

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Speaker 2: to be quantified in this is that they're getting coached up.

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Speaker 2: You know, they're getting coached up. And that's a good

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Speaker 2: piece in this. You know, if you're the New York Rangers,

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Speaker 2: they're a fan of the Rangers, your guys aren't getting better.

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Speaker 2: If you're a fan of the Penguins and you're around

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Speaker 2: the team and you see your guys are getting better,

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Speaker 2: and that's a sign that the coaches is doing a

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Speaker 2: good job.

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Speaker 1: Another defenseman I want to mention is Connor Clifton, who

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Speaker 1: wasn't in the lineup much early in the year, but

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Speaker 1: he's done okay lately. He joins the show at four thirty,

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Speaker 1: and he has kind of a little edge that not

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Speaker 1: a lot of Penguins have, doesn't.

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Speaker 2: He first time I saw Connor play is playing for

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Speaker 2: Quinnipiac and he was a nasty piece of business in college,

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Speaker 2: and you know, you see him go out. He's risinal

481
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Speaker 2: drafted a lead by Arizona, but I remember correctly, never

482
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Speaker 2: found his way there, but definitely found his way out

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Speaker 2: of the booms Rosser. He's physically, he's tough, He has

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Speaker 2: a ton of fun plan He got a lot of

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Speaker 2: respect for the way he carries himself around his teammates.

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Speaker 2: He has a ton of fun with the game and

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Speaker 2: he makes it fun for his teammates. And I think

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Speaker 2: the biggest thing is when you're around stars like they

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Speaker 2: have in Pittsburgh, you can learn a lot from those guys.

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Speaker 2: And I think Connor has learned a lot from the

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Speaker 2: guys that he's around in Pittsford, which is kind of

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Speaker 2: neat to watch.

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Speaker 1: I want to get back to Sid for a second.

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Speaker 1: He has three straight multiple point games after and during

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Speaker 1: a brief slump, and it's amazing how how he bounces

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Speaker 1: back from not playing great. He doesn't get mad or frustrated.

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Speaker 1: He just gets going. It's inevitable.

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Speaker 2: It's so cool to watch Sid right now, at this

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Speaker 2: advanced stage of his career. And you know, you look

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Speaker 2: at his age, you know, pushing close to forty, and

501
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Speaker 2: he just he's got so much game. Left Mark. And

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Speaker 2: part of it is, you know how most fans don't

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Speaker 2: realize and you do know Did is as committed to

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Speaker 2: the game as he when he was thirteen, fourteen, fifteen.

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Speaker 2: I mean, his workouts are legendary and he's always pushing

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Speaker 2: and he's always trying to find ways to get better,

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Speaker 2: whether it's a based off plays, moving the puck in

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Speaker 2: the backhand, learning how to take a one timer, shooting

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Speaker 2: quicker releases on a snapshot, dominating board play by having

510
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Speaker 2: a good lower hand on a stick. There's so many

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Speaker 2: things that Sid keeps getting better at all the time

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Speaker 2: because he's addicted to wanting to be great. I have

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Speaker 2: so much respected ways carried himself as a person but

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Speaker 2: also as a player. It's just phenomenal to watch.

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Speaker 3: Do you sense McDavid.

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Speaker 1: I mean he always tries Pierre, but since he tries

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Speaker 1: emotionally to turn it up a bit against Sid. Not

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Speaker 1: that he hates Sid, I mean, my god, their teammates

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Speaker 1: on Canada, but you know what I mean that he's

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Speaker 1: the guy now.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, think about what Sid used to do when

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Speaker 2: they play against Boston and Patrice bergerom. Those guys are

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Speaker 2: best of friends, best of friends, but they used to

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Speaker 2: go after one another big times. You know, Sid's got

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Speaker 2: a lot of respect for a lot of guys, and

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Speaker 2: a lot of guys really respect Sid, but they also

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Speaker 2: want to beat them because he's the measuring stick in

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Speaker 2: the league. You know, he's a winner. He always has been,

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Speaker 2: he always will be. So yeah, I would. I think

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Speaker 2: you're onto something there. I think when McKinnon plays against it,

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Speaker 2: he always wants to prove a point. When Nick David

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Speaker 2: plays against it, he wants to prove a point. You know,

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Speaker 2: you can go around the league all to start played.

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Speaker 2: I think one Quist when he was a goalie with

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Speaker 2: the Rangers, he wanted to prove something to Sid. I

536
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Speaker 2: think gets Lap and Perry when they were in Anaheim,

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Speaker 2: they wanted to pooh something to Sid, Caine and Tays

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Speaker 2: in Chicago League. The list goes on and on. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: star players want to prove a lot to Sea.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, Pierre.

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Speaker 1: The Penguins do things that make me crazy, like their

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Speaker 1: failure in shootouts.

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Speaker 3: But they kind of look like the playoff team right now,

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Speaker 3: don't they.

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Speaker 2: Because they're structured, they're buying them what their coaches tell

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Speaker 2: and they're coming together on the road, which is really important. That.

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Speaker 2: It's great to have a solid home record, but they

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Speaker 2: have a good road record that they have is really good,

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Speaker 2: you know, going on long streets. So you know, you

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Speaker 2: look at their last ten games or six two and two,

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Speaker 2: that's a great record. If they can do that the

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Speaker 2: rest of the way, they're not only going to be

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Speaker 2: a playoff team, they're gonna be a very tough team

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Speaker 2: to play against in the playoffs. So there's certain things

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Speaker 2: you want to try to establish. Have a good record

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Speaker 2: on home ice. They do have a good record on

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Speaker 2: the road, they do, and keep rolling off winks every

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Speaker 2: ten game segment, and so in this last ten game

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Speaker 2: segment there's six two and two. That's a really good record.

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Speaker 2: That's a really good record.

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Speaker 1: You saw that letter the Drewlery put out there the

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Speaker 1: Rangers GM, which is you might as well light your

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Speaker 1: franchise on fire with crap like that.

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Speaker 3: But it seems like they're going to trade Paneran. Do

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Speaker 3: you think that's going to happen?

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Speaker 1: And do you expect to flurry of trades by by anybody?

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Speaker 1: Because every team almost literally like maybe two or three

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Speaker 1: teams Pierre aren't in the playoff race, So how many

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Speaker 1: big trades are possible, and where do you think Paneren

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Speaker 1: might go.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna say where I think Panera will go. I

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Speaker 2: think Panera will win nothing. Detroit Detroite hasn't played a

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Speaker 2: playoff game in almost decade and they need to make

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Speaker 2: the playoffs. And I think Paneren fits in on their team.

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Speaker 2: They had plenty of young prospects. Their American Hockey League

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Speaker 2: team in Grand Rapids is just ripping the league up

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Speaker 2: right now because of all those great young players and

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Speaker 2: some older players that they have there. So I think

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Speaker 2: Detroit might be a likely landing spot. I wouldn't look

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Speaker 2: past the Florida Panthers, who are desperately trying to go

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Speaker 2: in three pete to win the Cup and four peete

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Speaker 2: to get to the final. They're not in the playoffs

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Speaker 2: if they start today, so I wouldn't be surprised if

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Speaker 2: Florida would be proactive on him, and maybe, just maybe

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Speaker 2: the Tampa Bay Lightning, you know, they might be proactive

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Speaker 2: on him as well. So we'll see. On Paneren, I

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Speaker 2: do think you're going to see more trades. I think

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Speaker 2: the Rangers are going to start the loose some bodies out.

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Speaker 2: The Autama Centers are interesting. They play in Columbus tonight

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Speaker 2: and then down in Nashville in two days. If they

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Speaker 2: lose both those games, I think they might start moving

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Speaker 2: people out too, so that'll be one to watch. They

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Speaker 2: think New Jersey will eventually start moving guys out, and

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Speaker 2: in the West, if you look at it, Vancouver has

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Speaker 2: already started. They won't stop. Winnipeg, I think we'll start

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Speaker 2: moving guys. Saint Louis is definitely going to be moving guys.

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Speaker 2: And I think in Chicago and Calgary lose a couple

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Speaker 2: more yards south Calgary and make a trade. I wouldn't

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Speaker 2: be surprised to see them make more trades. I wouldn't

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Speaker 2: be surprised to see Chicago start movingsy people too.

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Speaker 3: Perre.

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Speaker 1: Starting next week, we're going to do a little pre

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Speaker 1: Olympic analysis in each segment right now, real quick, a

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Speaker 1: little tease.

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Speaker 3: Who are your favorites to be in the gold medal game?

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Speaker 2: I Sweden in the USA was my favorites. If Canada

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Speaker 2: had the more stability and goal and more depth on defense,

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Speaker 2: I'd probably have them in there against the Americans. The

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Speaker 2: only caveat I have on Sweden if Carlson can't come

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Speaker 2: and play for Sweden because he's hurt, which he is

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Speaker 2: right now. I would not have them in the gold

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Speaker 2: medal game, but I think quietly they're the team that

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Speaker 2: could cause a lot of problems. I did a breakdown

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Speaker 2: of the schedules Mark, and I would tell you right now,

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Speaker 2: the easiest schedule in the preliminary round to do it

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Speaker 2: lost to the United States. They play Latvia Mark in Germany.

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Speaker 2: They should win all three of those games handily. Canada's

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Speaker 2: got cechiev Swiss and France. The Chechia game will not

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Speaker 2: be easy for Canada, it's their first game. Sweden has

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Speaker 2: a real tough schedule after their first game with Italy.

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Speaker 2: They play Finland in Slovakia. That's tough for Sweden. But

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Speaker 2: those hard games get you ready to play in the

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Speaker 2: Metal Round. But I like where the Americans are right now,

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Speaker 2: and I do think that they're going to be deep

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Speaker 2: enough and goal, They're going to be very good on defense,

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Speaker 2: and I think they're going to have some very underrated

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Speaker 2: firecar The only caveat I have on them, a little

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Speaker 2: like Sweden, if they can't get Matt Boldie back in

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Speaker 2: the lineup, I think that's going to hurt the United

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Speaker 2: States but Boldie should be a breakout player this Olympics

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Speaker 2: for a team USA if he's healthy.

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Speaker 1: Pierre your number one, great stuff. As always, we'll talk

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Speaker 1: more next week. Enjoy the hockey.

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Speaker 2: I can't wait, my man. Thank you so much for

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Speaker 2: having me on your show. Mark. I can't believe it's

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Speaker 2: almost four years now. I just love doing this. Thank

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Speaker 2: you so much.

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