Speaker 1: Here we go.
Speaker 2: It's Scott's flowing back on seven hundred w all just
Speaker 2: so much to get through this, Julie Balki a little
Speaker 2: bit later on our curs Shirp, I will get into
Speaker 2: the Nancy Guthrie abduction and thoughts on that coming up first. Though,
Speaker 2: Ohio high school athletes were allowed to accept nil deal
Speaker 2: since November. That's when the Ohio High School Athletic Association
Speaker 2: responded to a lawsuit from a jamiir Bron who's an
Speaker 2: OSU commit, and they saw the writing on the wal one.
Speaker 2: I don't think we can win this, and so we'll
Speaker 2: give in and we'll allow name, image and likeness deals
Speaker 2: as we do in college for high school students. We
Speaker 2: had a new bill out that would ban ANIL deals
Speaker 2: less than a year before they started. One of the
Speaker 2: people who are co sponsoring this is our buddy representative
Speaker 2: Adam Byrd, the Birdman out of New Richmond and Claremont County.
Speaker 1: How are you, hey, Scott. It's great to be with
Speaker 1: you and looking forward to seeing what we can do
Speaker 1: to protect our students in Ohio, Io from from what
Speaker 1: is happening in college.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we saw what's an unravelling in college and some
Speaker 2: may say, well, you know, let's go back to the
Speaker 2: way it used to be. I don't think you could
Speaker 2: put the two space back in the tube, but it
Speaker 2: comes a little bit different in reality. How many kids
Speaker 2: in high school high schools is this going to impact? Really,
Speaker 2: it's not that many, is it. And therefore, if that's true,
Speaker 2: why don't we need to roll this back?
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's no way to know how many this effects because,
Speaker 1: as you mentioned just a second ago, it's only been
Speaker 1: in effect for a couple of months. And so I
Speaker 1: do believe that this is going to unravel, and I
Speaker 1: don't think that we can allow this to stand for
Speaker 1: the for the benefit and protection of our young people.
Speaker 3: Okay, so what is it you're trying to protect them from? Exactly? Explain?
Speaker 1: Well, that's yes, and so you know, I believe that
Speaker 1: athletics and high school are an extension of the classroom.
Speaker 1: They're co curricular activity that is responsible for helping to
Speaker 1: teach students about character and discipline and work ethic and
Speaker 1: communication skills and all of those things in fitness, and
Speaker 1: so that's the reason why we provide these opportunities for
Speaker 1: young people. It's not about how much money that they
Speaker 1: can make and that kind of situation will destroy amateur
Speaker 1: athletics and the good things that we've got going on
Speaker 1: in high school right now, I'll.
Speaker 2: Push back on that ago. Both of those can exist
Speaker 2: at the same time, can't that. I mean, we can
Speaker 2: put an emphasis on the classroom and character and discipline,
Speaker 2: and probably even more so if money is involved, and
Speaker 2: it's not going to be a lot of money for
Speaker 2: most of these kids. It's gonna be a little bit
Speaker 2: of money. Say maybe a couple athletes along the lines
Speaker 2: that are so good at what they do and are
Speaker 2: so coveted by colleges and professional sports teams that they're
Speaker 2: going to get some money thrown them.
Speaker 3: No doubt about.
Speaker 2: But the bulk of kids just simply are looking for
Speaker 2: something to do extracurricularly. This wouldn't affect them at all.
Speaker 2: But for those few that would benefit from the NIL deal,
Speaker 2: how does this go against what you mentioned in the
Speaker 2: learning And to me, it doesn't change it at them.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, if you're going to have certain kids
Speaker 1: on the team that are benefiting and others that are not,
Speaker 1: you're going to degrade the team work like atmosphere that
Speaker 1: exists in amateur sports that have a team approach, like football,
Speaker 1: like basketball, and it's it's important that that we we
Speaker 1: protect what we've got right now. And then the other
Speaker 1: thing that I would say, Scott, is this will turn
Speaker 1: into a recruiting situation, a recruiting war where let's say,
Speaker 1: a wealthy alumni of a certain school that has a
Speaker 1: business wants to sign a student to an NIL deal
Speaker 1: and on the on the presumption that you will transfer
Speaker 1: to the school of my choosing, and and so that's
Speaker 1: going to happen. It's it's it's virtually unavoidable at this point.
Speaker 1: And so when the school is not allowed to know
Speaker 1: about this, we don't. They're not going to create collectives
Speaker 1: like they do college level, and so the coach is
Speaker 1: not going to supposedly know about it, the athletic director,
Speaker 1: the school administrator is not going to know about it,
Speaker 1: and so they're going to have a hands on approach.
Speaker 1: You're going to have a I believe, a recruiting war
Speaker 1: based on who has alumni that are wealthy enough to
Speaker 1: affect who attends what school.
Speaker 3: But isn't that going on now?
Speaker 1: Hew?
Speaker 2: I remember stories when I went to high school, and
Speaker 2: presumably you as well. There's schools right now. I won't
Speaker 2: name anybody in particular, but their schools now tend to
Speaker 2: be more private and Christian. But they do this now, Well,
Speaker 2: they'll take you, bring the family in, they recruit an athlete,
Speaker 2: and they'll put them up for free, like in housing.
Speaker 3: And so it's going on now.
Speaker 1: Well, I agree there is recruiting going on now, and
Speaker 1: yet it's not supposed to happen, and it's supposed to
Speaker 1: be investigated by OHSAA. I don't think that they can
Speaker 1: handle it. It's beyond their stripe. And so this will
Speaker 1: just make it worse. It will exacerbate it, and there
Speaker 1: will be a recruiting war to create all star teams
Speaker 1: based on who has wealthy alumni that are willing to
Speaker 1: take their school down that path. And I just think
Speaker 1: we see how this has ruined college athletics and it's
Speaker 1: going to have the same impact at high school. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I don't know if it ruined it. What happened. We're
Speaker 3: in flux right now. I think that's the thing.
Speaker 2: And what's college and athletics look like in five or
Speaker 2: ten years to be the question. We don't know, because
Speaker 2: it's again, it's changing so quickly before eyes it seems
Speaker 2: like it's broken right now, but it may not be ultimately.
Speaker 2: If you're a student or the parents of a student,
Speaker 2: shouldn't you be able to profit off someone's name eage,
Speaker 2: Like the wh why why is the money?
Speaker 3: Why is it a bad thing?
Speaker 2: I mean, I get the team unity in things, but
Speaker 2: you know, let's face it, we have kids who are
Speaker 2: poor playing sports with kids who are rich, and kids,
Speaker 2: you know, have fifty thousand dollars cars and the other
Speaker 2: kids got to walk to practice.
Speaker 3: So we already have that disparity. That's nothing new.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not opposed to kids making money off of
Speaker 1: their ability, but if they want to do that, they
Speaker 1: ought to go to the Olympics, they have to join
Speaker 1: a professional tour. They ought to go go get enrolled
Speaker 1: in college early and get college in il money. But
Speaker 1: we want to protect what has been a pure amateur
Speaker 1: situation in Ohio high school and and you know that's
Speaker 1: you see what it's happening. Like, let's use the University
Speaker 1: of Cincinnati bearcat quarterback who just transferred to I think
Speaker 1: it was Texas Tech. He didn't transfer for a better
Speaker 1: educational opportunity or a better major. He transferred because that
Speaker 1: other school was willing to offer him five million dollars
Speaker 1: and he's going to make more next year than the
Speaker 1: Cleveland Browns starting quarterback over his entire five year contracts.
Speaker 1: And this is this is going to just continue to
Speaker 1: take us down the wrong path.
Speaker 2: Well should we be celebrating? I mean I look at
Speaker 2: that and go wow, good for that kid. That's like
Speaker 2: getting a full ride scholarship to Harvard I suppose in
Speaker 2: the educational side of this thing, and we don't look
Speaker 2: at that going oh, grey, well, this kid's doing really well,
Speaker 2: or you know, they're their kids that win science fairs
Speaker 2: and the company goes and buys their ideas. We celebrate that.
Speaker 2: I don't distinct make that much of potential in that
Speaker 2: and what's going on in sports.
Speaker 3: I guess.
Speaker 1: Well, I guess we may have to disagree on that, Scott,
Speaker 1: because I believe that we need to protect our students
Speaker 1: from agents. We need to protect our students from tax advisors.
Speaker 1: We need to protect our students just like we do
Speaker 1: in child labor laws. We protect them, and this is
Speaker 1: the people are going to come after them. They're not
Speaker 1: ready psychologically or mentally to handle this kind of pressure.
Speaker 1: We've seen how over the last a couple of decades,
Speaker 1: it's the number of suicide among college athletes has doubled,
Speaker 1: and so we need to protect them from this kind
Speaker 1: of pressure, protect them from becoming some kind of influencer.
Speaker 1: And they should be there to learn and grow and
Speaker 1: not to earn an income.
Speaker 2: Represent of Adam Bird at Clarman Conye in the show
Speaker 2: proposing to stop nil for high school athletes here in
Speaker 2: the Buckey States, co sponsored that piece of legislation. You know,
Speaker 2: I look at this and okay, name age, and like,
Speaker 2: I don't know how much your typical high school athlete's
Speaker 2: going to get, if anything, it could be like fifty
Speaker 2: bucks or something like that, because most schools in Ohio
Speaker 2: are rural and maybe I don't know, there's a local
Speaker 2: oil change place. Goes okay, fine, we'll give you. I
Speaker 2: don't give you like one hundred bucks a month. It's
Speaker 2: that that big a concern because I would dig typically.
Speaker 2: You know, you mentioned the outliers of the kids making
Speaker 2: millions of dollars, which are it's extremely rare. But if
Speaker 2: a kid does get one of these things, it's only
Speaker 2: going to be for a little bit of money.
Speaker 3: Anyway. Is this a you know, killing an aunt with
Speaker 3: a sledgehammer.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think. I mean, you made some assumptions there,
Speaker 1: and I'm I'm going to push back on you a
Speaker 1: little bit. I don't think that you can just assume
Speaker 1: that it's going to be fifty dollars. I don't think
Speaker 1: that you can assume that it's going to happen in
Speaker 1: rural areas. I think the rich will get richer, so
Speaker 1: to speak, when it comes to talent at certain schools.
Speaker 1: And you know, it should not become a bidding war,
Speaker 1: a recruiting war based on money. It should be about,
Speaker 1: you know, where is the best educational choice option for
Speaker 1: my child so they can grow and be ready to
Speaker 1: contribute to society. And so we're trying to protect the children.
Speaker 1: We're trying to protect the school opportunity, and we don't
Speaker 1: want this to become a recruiting war based on money
Speaker 1: the way it's happened in college.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think too, it's already become that. And if you're
Speaker 2: to go back, I think the problem is mom and
Speaker 2: Dad have leaned into this themselves in a sense. Is
Speaker 2: that okay in banning the analoby one thing, but to
Speaker 2: really address the root costs of the problem. And you said,
Speaker 2: you know, this is about amateur sports. I don't know
Speaker 2: how amateur it is. When you have you know, trainers
Speaker 2: and coaches and agents and you're not you can't ban that.
Speaker 2: The competition from you know, youth on to get in
Speaker 2: a travel league, to get in this, and kids who
Speaker 2: are pushed or have a calling to play a particular
Speaker 2: sport or sports. And of course the more mom and
Speaker 2: dad invest in their athletic career, the more that they
Speaker 2: see as at stake, and a lot of parents think
Speaker 2: wrongly so that their kid's going to get a college
Speaker 2: scholarship and go play professional sports when odds are you know,
Speaker 2: very very much against Rocky Boyman could talk about how
Speaker 2: hard that is here on seven hundred WW this afternoon,
Speaker 2: but I look at it and go, well, you know, so,
Speaker 2: if this is about the semantics of education putting that first,
Speaker 2: didn't mom and dad throw that out the window a
Speaker 2: long time ago.
Speaker 1: Well, there's no doubt that mom and dad are spending
Speaker 1: a lot of money on their children's travel team. And
Speaker 1: you know, if you're going to add in there and
Speaker 1: a presumption now that mom and dad are investing all
Speaker 1: of this money in your travel team and your travel
Speaker 1: opportunity that now you're going to help reimburse mom and
Speaker 1: dad based on what you might be able to earn.
Speaker 1: I think that's tremendous pressure on a young person that
Speaker 1: we don't want.
Speaker 3: And again, this is what it's happening. It's happening right now.
Speaker 1: Well, it's no, and IL is not happening right now.
Speaker 1: Kids are not getting paid right now. And OSSAA would
Speaker 1: like to take us down this path. And MAYIL remind
Speaker 1: you Scott that they are only doing this because one
Speaker 1: judge in Hamilton County issued a ruling and so they
Speaker 1: made a change. And I don't think that we should
Speaker 1: take the entire state of Ohio down this path because
Speaker 1: one judge and Franklin County made this decision. And I
Speaker 1: believe that this is an important enough issue that the
Speaker 1: state legislation should weigh in on this. And if my
Speaker 1: colleagues decides that I'm wrong, then at least considered it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's fair.
Speaker 2: No, I mentioned it's happening now in the sense that
Speaker 2: you know, there's schools even before this NIL deal was
Speaker 2: struck that we're you know, essentially paying the parents to
Speaker 2: come move here and stay getting their district and go
Speaker 2: to school academies and things like that. I mean, it
Speaker 2: is happening now. It's also happening that you know, there's
Speaker 2: tremendous pressure for kids, not just in the athletics, but
Speaker 2: especially academics. As you mentioned, we're kids a suicide rate
Speaker 2: and the mental health issues among college students out of
Speaker 2: all time high, simply because of that pressure that's put
Speaker 2: on them by people in their inner circle, namely their
Speaker 2: own families. I don't know if nals it probably will
Speaker 2: contribute to that somewhat, but that's already the reality for
Speaker 2: a lot of college students, whether there's student athletes or not.
Speaker 1: Well, there's scientific data out there that show that college
Speaker 1: athletes are committing suicide at double the rate that they
Speaker 1: work twenty five years. Again, that is a scientific fact,
Speaker 1: and we are putting tremendous pressure on these people at
Speaker 1: age nineteen twenty twenty one, and I don't think that
Speaker 1: we should do that through fourteen, fifteen, sixteen, seventeen year olds.
Speaker 1: And we're trying to protect our children from people who
Speaker 1: want to come down and take advantage of them based
Speaker 1: on their athletic skills, and we need to protect our
Speaker 1: kids from these kinds of people that want to come
Speaker 1: in and take advantage of them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and okay, it's double where it was, but the
Speaker 2: suicide rates for college students who aren't student athletes are
Speaker 2: paced up there. It went up like something like sixty
Speaker 2: percent over the last twenty years. That's increasing at the
Speaker 2: same ratio. And so it's not just student athletes. It's
Speaker 2: all college students. And that is because of the tremendous
Speaker 2: pressure we put on college students, not let alone those
Speaker 2: who are student athletes. It's all college models. The problem
Speaker 2: is that we think the way to you know, having
Speaker 2: a perfect life is to go to college. We know
Speaker 2: that's that true. We're starting to rethink those whole things.
Speaker 2: It's about, you know, the person themselves as opposed to
Speaker 2: the degree that you're having on the wall. We've overvalued
Speaker 2: college education and we're starting to see that come back down.
Speaker 2: And I think I think the athletic part certainly fits
Speaker 2: into that.
Speaker 3: I agree with you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so you know, this bill is about returning the
Speaker 1: the OHSAA Amateur Status law to what it used to be.
Speaker 1: I don't want to micromanage OHSAA. I don't want to
Speaker 1: oversee their every move, But I do think that we
Speaker 1: need to say no, we're going to move backwards. And
Speaker 1: I might remind you to Scott that we have done
Speaker 1: this twice in the past when it comes to transcender
Speaker 1: eligibility and the state legislature said no, we're going to
Speaker 1: protect our girls. We also said no to OAHSAA a
Speaker 1: couple of years ago on the issue of cash when
Speaker 1: you attend the game and we require them to accept
Speaker 1: cash when you want to enter.
Speaker 3: Isn't this going to create a black market? Again?
Speaker 2: I mean it existed before. There are schools out there
Speaker 2: that we're doing this, long before nil Adam Bird that
Speaker 2: we're recruiting kids from different districts or held different states
Speaker 2: of that matter, finding jobs for mom and or dad,
Speaker 2: putting up at places, and essentially they're getting de facto payment,
Speaker 2: maybe not cash, and maybe some walking around money from
Speaker 2: the boosters life for very powerful schools, not necessarily public schools,
Speaker 2: private schools. How would that apply to the how'd that
Speaker 2: fix it? Wouldn't this just create a black market? They
Speaker 2: just go back to the way they've voiced done it,
Speaker 2: and then you still have.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I don't know that there's there's been that kind
Speaker 1: of situation. Maybe there has and I'm not been aware
Speaker 1: of its Laby mom or dad. Yeah, So you know,
Speaker 1: I don't think that we should. I don't think that
Speaker 1: we should add to that. Again, this is about protecting
Speaker 1: our kids from a situation that they're not prepared for.
Speaker 1: We're talking about teenagers here. They're talking about teenagers that's
Speaker 1: going to need a tax advisor. They're going to need
Speaker 1: an agent, they're going to be entering into contracts, and
Speaker 1: we've got to be careful about protecting our young people
Speaker 1: from the people that want to take advantage of them.
Speaker 2: Now, well, I think they also get some if they're
Speaker 2: getting big money, they're getting some of those too.
Speaker 3: It's not like they're complete victims. Well, I mean the
Speaker 3: composition's pretty good.
Speaker 1: Do you want to do that? If you want? If
Speaker 1: you're so uber talented that you're capable of taking advantage
Speaker 1: of or athletic giftedness, then you need to go to
Speaker 1: the Olympics, you need to go to a tour, a
Speaker 1: professional tour. You need to go to college early and
Speaker 1: go air in college. And I owe money.
Speaker 2: You mentioned the protection thing, so doesn't that I mentioned
Speaker 2: the model that existed for a long time where at
Speaker 2: private schools that they do this.
Speaker 3: I don't know how how often it does, but it does.
Speaker 2: It still Hal's happening right now as a matter of fact,
Speaker 2: where you have you know, kids recruited from other areas
Speaker 2: to move back to the district in order to play
Speaker 2: for their team, and then of course the family winklink
Speaker 2: is taken care of. How would this protect them?
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I mean you you point out that recruiting
Speaker 1: is happening today and at OHSAA teams that are legal,
Speaker 1: and so recruiting happens anyway. And I don't think that
Speaker 1: they're going to be able to police the situation that
Speaker 1: they're putting in place here, and they're not going to
Speaker 1: be able to investigate all of that. You're going to
Speaker 1: put You're going to put now a burden upon the
Speaker 1: school administrative, the athletic director of the coach to help
Speaker 1: police to make it uh to inform OHSAA on these
Speaker 1: kinds of things. And and I just we're we're opening
Speaker 1: a can of worms that I don't think is the
Speaker 1: reason why the public tax payer pays for weight rooms, stadiums,
Speaker 1: gymnasiums so that they can have an extension of the
Speaker 1: classroom and now we're going to allow people to take
Speaker 1: advantage of these young children that well they're not young children,
Speaker 1: but they you know, they're not of age, and and
Speaker 1: take advantage of them based on facilities that have been
Speaker 1: sent by the tax payer.
Speaker 2: Adam's final point is it is this a nanny state issue?
Speaker 2: Does this feels like nanny state to me?
Speaker 1: Well, I think we have a duty. Okay, we have
Speaker 1: a duty and responsibility as a government to protect our children.
Speaker 1: And we've got people that want to use the situation
Speaker 1: to take advantage.
Speaker 2: But if my point is if the parents are okay
Speaker 2: and they lean into this going wow, I've got the
Speaker 2: next year borrow here, we can get some money, Well,
Speaker 2: how is it. Why is it the state's obligation to
Speaker 2: protect that child from their own family.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we do this all the time, and you know,
Speaker 1: we can talk about multiple examples of how we try
Speaker 1: to protect children, and so you know it's again, they're
Speaker 1: not emotionally stable, they're not ready for the kinds of
Speaker 1: pressure that we're going to place upon them, and we
Speaker 1: want to protect the reason that we created these athletics
Speaker 1: in a first place, which is an extension of the classroom.
Speaker 1: It's not it should not be I believe, and I
Speaker 1: hope to convince my colleagues that it should not be
Speaker 1: about allowing these young people to be preyed upon. We
Speaker 1: want to protect them and preserve what we've had in
Speaker 1: the past.
Speaker 2: Are you hearing a lot from constituents supporting it or
Speaker 2: is it just simply too early?
Speaker 1: You know? Mostly I think people constituents are listening and learning.
Speaker 1: But who I'm hearing mostly from our school administrators and
Speaker 1: coaches who are very much opposed to this. And remember
Speaker 1: that there were a couple of hundred schools who have
Speaker 1: stained from this vote. They did not want to go
Speaker 1: down this vote. Others have told me that they didn't
Speaker 1: want to vote yes, but they voted yes because they
Speaker 1: felt strong armed by OHSAA. So most of the people
Speaker 1: that I'm hearing from are those that are actually in
Speaker 1: the school community.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're worried about this Jimmy Brown lawsuits, going, hey,
Speaker 2: we you know, win violation of that. It's going to
Speaker 2: cost us a lot more money. We just acquiesced even
Speaker 2: though we think it's wrong. But no, I'm interested to see,
Speaker 2: Adam how this thing plays out. I appreciate coming on
Speaker 2: this morning answering tough questions and we'll continue the discussion
Speaker 2: probably the other date. Adam Richmond, I'm sorry, Adam Bird
Speaker 2: out of New Richmond claim out Conney, thanks again, but I.
Speaker 3: Appreciate coming on absolutely Scott's thanks.
Speaker 2: Thank be well, be Well. I've got to get a
Speaker 2: news update in and I'm sure this story has legs. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm not convinced this is this is the remedy, but anyway,
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