Speaker 1: Goo.
Speaker 2: Good evening and welcome to the Nightcap on seven hundred WLW.
Speaker 2: I'm Gary, Jeff Walker, you or you, and that is
Speaker 2: perfectly fine with me. Here we sit a week away
Speaker 2: from election day in the off year elections, which is
Speaker 2: an on year for the city of Cincinnati, and there
Speaker 2: are many, many important issues up in the air if
Speaker 2: you are a citizen of Cincinnati and other places where
Speaker 2: they will have elections next Tuesday night, which we will
Speaker 2: be on air for all of the results next Tuesday
Speaker 2: evening in this timeslot tonight, my focus will be on
Speaker 2: the sky an object three to one atlas. It's a comet,
Speaker 2: or is it that you may or may not have
Speaker 2: heard of doctor Abby Lowe, who's a Harvard astrophysicist. I'm
Speaker 2: not an ant astro or a physicist, but this guy
Speaker 2: is both, and he says there's a forty percent chance
Speaker 2: this thing could be alien technology because of its trajectory,
Speaker 2: because of the way it's built, and because of the
Speaker 2: government shutdown, NASA can't give us anything else but reassurances
Speaker 2: that it's nothing to be afraid of. It's just a comet,
Speaker 2: and it probably is, but it's supposed to come very
Speaker 2: near to Earth. As soon as December nineteenth. It has
Speaker 2: a trajectory that aligns with all the planets in our
Speaker 2: solar system. It's acting very oddly, and the images that
Speaker 2: NASA has of it thus far are being held back.
Speaker 2: In turn, some people say because of the federal government shutdown,
Speaker 2: what is object three to one at less? Is it
Speaker 2: a comet? Or is it the alien Mothers ship that's
Speaker 2: just about to fly very close to the Sun. Anyway,
Speaker 2: That's just something that was percolating. I saw in the
Speaker 2: news and it kind of caught my eye and dragged
Speaker 2: it twelve feet for a second on the way. Next,
Speaker 2: Jim Ornacy plus the Mad Hatter Dave Hadter in for
Speaker 2: a Tuesday tech talk. Rick Robinson returns after a long
Speaker 2: long absence. Michael Lets from INVESTUSA, The fur Ball, and
Speaker 2: we will rebroadcast this past Saturday Morning's Rock and Roll
Speaker 2: Archaeology featuring the music professor Jim le Barbara. That'll happen
Speaker 2: just a tadbit after ten in case you missed it
Speaker 2: on Saturday morning. You know, we can't rebroadcast it, or
Speaker 2: we can rebroadcast, we can't podcast it because of licensing regulations.
Speaker 2: Don't have the money to pay those fees, but we
Speaker 2: do have some money to pay for the next interview.
Speaker 2: And here's a bunch of commercials, and then we'll have
Speaker 2: Jim Raneci. As the nightcap continues, look up in the
Speaker 2: sky man seven hundred WLW. As I mentioned just moments ago,
Speaker 2: our first guest tonight is Jim Renesy, obviously a former
Speaker 2: member of the House of Representatives, former mayor of Wadsworth, Ohio.
Speaker 2: And that'll tie into tonight's conversation because he's back on
Speaker 2: council for a limited set of time, trying to save
Speaker 2: the city that he loves. He knows a thing or
Speaker 2: two about running political campaigns. He's won some, he's lost some,
Speaker 2: and to talk about a marriad of things. Jim Ranesi
Speaker 2: joins us first tonight. Hello, Jim, how are you.
Speaker 1: Good?
Speaker 3: Gary, how are you?
Speaker 2: I'm fantastic. We'll get to President Trump's ballroom, but first
Speaker 2: we have an illustration that you were just telling me
Speaker 2: about of how government works and how it doesn't sometimes.
Speaker 2: And it's not necessarily a Republican or Democrat problem. It's
Speaker 2: a politician problem. And people who were supposed to be
Speaker 2: good stewards of our money and caring about the public
Speaker 2: they are supposed to be serving first. Sometimes too often,
Speaker 2: not just in Wadsworth, but all around the country are
Speaker 2: caring about their pet projects or their vanity projects instead
Speaker 2: of infrastructure and public safety and public works first. And
Speaker 2: you had an illustration of that that just occurred. You're
Speaker 2: temporarily sitting on the Wadsworth, Ohio City Council. It's a
Speaker 2: city of about twenty five thousand people. Where is it located, Jim.
Speaker 4: Gary, Wadsworth is west of Akron and south of Cleveland,
Speaker 4: about thirty miles south of Cleveland, about fifteen miles west
Speaker 4: of Akron. So right on Route seventy six, anybody that
Speaker 4: travels north from Cincinnati and is heading to New York
Speaker 4: or over the northern part of Pennsylvania actually has to
Speaker 4: cut right through Wadsworth. Throughout seventy six cuts right through
Speaker 4: the city.
Speaker 2: There you go, all right, So you recently filled a spot.
Speaker 2: You stepped in once again, being the public servant that
Speaker 2: you are, Jim, to be a member of the Wadsworth
Speaker 2: City Council. And lo and behold, you had an issue
Speaker 2: come up where infrastructure was not regarded and some kind
Speaker 2: of park project was the first priority of this city. Council.
Speaker 2: They wanted to spend thirty five million on parks, as
Speaker 2: I understand, and you were harping on the fact that
Speaker 2: they need to really concentrate on your infrastructure.
Speaker 4: And then what happened, well, and I blame the administration
Speaker 4: more than city council. City council will actually asked me
Speaker 4: to join back for six months. There was a resignation
Speaker 4: of one individual, and I.
Speaker 5: Did step up.
Speaker 4: They said, we just need you to look at what's
Speaker 4: going on with this administration. And the administration was really
Speaker 4: going down the paths of major park renovations. I mean
Speaker 4: one park alone one point nine million dollars. It's already
Speaker 4: been spent. And as I was looking now as a
Speaker 4: member of city council, former mayor, former House representative, I
Speaker 4: realized that we do have a systemic problem. We have
Speaker 4: elected officials who forget that the basic reason for government
Speaker 4: is really for the services that are required. Not you know,
Speaker 4: parks are great, all cities need parks, but at the
Speaker 4: same time, you have to have the basic services. Look,
Speaker 4: I would and say, that's about the federal government. Remember,
Speaker 4: the federal government was asked by the states to do
Speaker 4: limited things, and now they've taken over so many other things.
Speaker 4: But I think it's a systemic problem around the country.
Speaker 4: These elected officials, they get elected, they start looking around
Speaker 4: at legacies. What can my legacy be, What can my
Speaker 4: next position be? How do I make the people like me?
Speaker 4: The answer is, you're elected to do.
Speaker 1: The right thing.
Speaker 2: Oh hold on, Jim, you mean, how do I keep
Speaker 2: from getting primaried by a more leftist candidate if I
Speaker 2: don't hold the line on keeping the government open like
Speaker 2: that like Chuck Show, all of.
Speaker 4: Those things, and it's amazing that it trickles all the
Speaker 4: way down. But here in Ladsworth they were looking at
Speaker 4: thirty five million dollars worth of part projects that would
Speaker 4: have had to be borrowed. There's not enough money at
Speaker 4: the city to do this. They were talking about a
Speaker 4: large borrowing and then last night we had a city
Speaker 4: power outage that lasted twelve hours. Businesses one gas station
Speaker 4: downtown said they lost about eleven or twelve thousand dollars.
Speaker 4: It's one small gas station, but you have to remember
Speaker 4: that there's businesses across the state, city, restaurants, all these things,
Speaker 4: all because we don't have a redundant power system coming
Speaker 4: in to the city and one pole. One pole went
Speaker 4: down and took the entire city out for twelve hours.
Speaker 4: It shows you that government needs to start paying attention
Speaker 4: to really what are the services needed, the infrastructure needed,
Speaker 4: whether it's state, local, or federal government, and quit worrying
Speaker 4: about pet projects and things that will get them re elected. So, yeah,
Speaker 4: it hits home, but I think it's a national issue
Speaker 4: because whether it's a local city, local county, we're doing
Speaker 4: the same thing across this country.
Speaker 2: Well, no infrastructure has been one of the clarion calls
Speaker 2: of what people say we need to address. We know
Speaker 2: that our infrastructure. We know, for example, that our air
Speaker 2: traffic control systems and equipment is way way out of date,
Speaker 2: and we've seen incidents as of planes coming out of
Speaker 2: the sky near near missus and the like on runways.
Speaker 2: We know that our rail traffic in this country, the
Speaker 2: lines many times are so outdated and they need vital
Speaker 2: reconstruction to keep up with the times and the demand.
Speaker 2: We know that our highway systems and our roads are
Speaker 2: not where they need to be. Our bridges and power,
Speaker 2: as you mentioned, there was no redundant pickup power. When
Speaker 2: this one pole goes out in a city of twenty
Speaker 2: five thousand catches fire and takes the whole grid down
Speaker 2: because there's simply no backup plan. There has to be
Speaker 2: a backup plan, whether it's your electric power system, whether
Speaker 2: it's your water system, regardless of what the public utility is. Jim,
Speaker 2: and the Constitution calls for the federal government to do
Speaker 2: two things, and that's to provide for the common defense
Speaker 2: and promote the general welfare. And one of the ways
Speaker 2: in which you promote the general welfare is you make people.
Speaker 2: You make sure people have a way to continue the
Speaker 2: life that they're used to and the services that they need,
Speaker 2: as opposed to anything else that comes after, any other
Speaker 2: kind of bureaucracy that comes after we are so bloated,
Speaker 2: and to see it happen and a microcosm, like in
Speaker 2: the little town in Ohio where you are, it's it's
Speaker 2: it is all over the country. It's in Cincinnati, it's
Speaker 2: in Cleveland, it's in Louisville. It's it's the problem with
Speaker 2: our infrastructure in this country and the attention that needs
Speaker 2: to be paid to it that's not being paid because
Speaker 2: there are so many other little bike trails and parks
Speaker 2: and all the other nice things that are are things
Speaker 2: that you concentrate on when everything else, the important stuff,
Speaker 2: is taken care of.
Speaker 4: Well, you're absolutely right. I call that critical infrastructure. And
Speaker 4: you know you mentioned it. Whether it's the electricity or
Speaker 4: water in our communities, or whether it's the air traffic system,
Speaker 4: this is critical infrastructure. The bridge is all critical infrastructure.
Speaker 4: And I only wish you know, it's funny you said
Speaker 4: that about our You know, the national government was supposed
Speaker 4: to only do a few things. Can you imagine if
Speaker 4: we could get it back to doing just a few
Speaker 4: things the post office, interstate commerce, national defense.
Speaker 1: If you could.
Speaker 4: Shrink that government down just to doing that, and then
Speaker 4: let the states start taking care of state issues only,
Speaker 4: and let the city start taking care of city issues
Speaker 4: infrastructures only. We have such a much greater country. And
Speaker 4: by the way, we wouldn't be paying as many taxes
Speaker 4: or amount.
Speaker 1: Of taxes like we are.
Speaker 4: And let's face it, Ohio, the property taxes, everybody knows
Speaker 4: is a big issue because all they did in the
Speaker 4: state of Ohio was reduce the tax rates. But like
Speaker 4: a balloon, when you push one side down, the other
Speaker 4: side goes up. All of the real estate taxes have
Speaker 4: now exploded in our state too, and it's just a
Speaker 4: bloated system from federal to state to local governments that
Speaker 4: really needs to be looked at.
Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 2: I mean, what has I always try and look and
Speaker 2: see what is the Department of Energy ever done for
Speaker 2: me as an American citizen and taxpayer? And I can't
Speaker 2: think of anything, to be honest with you. The Department
Speaker 2: of Education never did a darn thing for me as
Speaker 2: a citizen. And it's not because I don't believe that
Speaker 2: American children should be provided an education that is befitting
Speaker 2: of the greatest country on the face of the earth,
Speaker 2: because we're not getting that right now. And we've had
Speaker 2: the Department of Education ever since nineteen seventy nine. What
Speaker 2: has the EPA really done in the last thirty years
Speaker 2: to help the environment? You know that Marge shot made
Speaker 2: the horrible statement once of you know, Hitler was good
Speaker 2: at first and then he went too far. You could
Speaker 2: say the same things about many of these government bureaucracies.
Speaker 2: I understand the original inclination to help a certain problem
Speaker 2: than Americans were some people constituents were calling out for,
Speaker 2: but really, once they've outlived their usefulness, these government agencies
Speaker 2: never go away, Jim. And that's a problem.
Speaker 4: There's there's your answer right there. They just never go away.
Speaker 4: Not only that, Harry, they never never go away, and
Speaker 4: they continue to grow. And that's really the problem. So yeah,
Speaker 4: it's it's interesting we keep doing it. We keep electing
Speaker 4: the same people. They they keep going to Washington, they
Speaker 4: keep going to the State House, they keep going to
Speaker 4: our local city councils. And what I've learned is they
Speaker 4: just become a rubber stamp. And it really comes down
Speaker 4: to having key people that say, I mean, look Donald Trump,
Speaker 4: for those that hate him and those that love him,
Speaker 4: his greatest asset is he's going to get things done
Speaker 4: in the best interest that he believes is for the people. Now, well,
Speaker 4: the way he's doing it is what a lot of
Speaker 4: people don't like, and that's a whole another story. But
Speaker 4: you know, politics is about being likable in many ways,
Speaker 4: and we elect people because we like them, not because
Speaker 4: they're qualified. And too often we find this that even
Speaker 4: those that are qualified, like Donald Trump, sometimes does go
Speaker 4: outside of the bandwidth to be likable, and that causes
Speaker 4: issues as well. But I'd rather have the qualified person
Speaker 4: than and that person be unliked than the likable person
Speaker 4: who is not qualified.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean the perfect example of a likable person
Speaker 2: to some people, in some people's eyes, who is not
Speaker 2: qualified is zeronman Dami in New York. He's preaching the
Speaker 2: socialist preaching of everything's free and we're going to make
Speaker 2: everything affordable with the snap of our finger, with the
Speaker 2: pressing of a ballot here and there. Next Tuesday night,
Speaker 2: it looks like he's going to win. But there is
Speaker 2: nothing to say that he is qualified to lead a
Speaker 2: city of eight million people, is there?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 4: But that's what happens across the state and across the country.
Speaker 4: The most likable person gets elected in many, many, many cases.
Speaker 4: And I said that all along, you can be the
Speaker 4: most qualified. You know, the elections I lost, I know
Speaker 4: you talked about that early on. I always chuckle because
Speaker 4: in many cases, the voters that did not vote for
Speaker 4: me didn't like the changes I was going to make,
Speaker 4: which were from a qualified standpoint. I mean, there are
Speaker 4: still many things that need to be done in our state,
Speaker 4: and you know, if we don't make those tough decisions
Speaker 4: in many cases are going to hurt some people that
Speaker 4: that accept those benefits or whatever, then we're never going
Speaker 4: to fix our problems. It's why our state government budget
Speaker 4: has exploded, our federal government budget is exploding, which leads
Speaker 4: me to when we end this shutdown, which is a
Speaker 4: whole nother story. But when we end this shutdown, mark
Speaker 4: what I'm saying, We're going to have Republicans crossover and
Speaker 4: vote for subsidies that or are supposed to be eliminated
Speaker 4: to reduce our spending. But they know that they will
Speaker 4: not get re elected if they don't do that, And
Speaker 4: that's the problem that we're seeing all across our country.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, listen, we're seeing that with Democrats right
Speaker 2: now in this shutdown, because they're so concerned about the
Speaker 2: hyper left of their base not voting for them in
Speaker 2: a primary or in an upcoming election in the midterms,
Speaker 2: that they are dragging their feet by voting for the
Speaker 2: continuing resolution that doesn't spend any more money and lets
Speaker 2: them sit down and debate those other subsidies with the Republicans.
Speaker 2: So the Democrats are playing the same game. Uh, And
Speaker 2: it's it's really disgusting to see what's being done in
Speaker 2: our name as taxpayers. Again, these people, this is not
Speaker 2: their money, this is our money. They don't they're not
Speaker 2: our bosses. They work for us, supposedly according to the
Speaker 2: constitution and the structure of our government in this country.
Speaker 2: And they certainly are not acting like they work for us,
Speaker 2: are they.
Speaker 4: Well, Gare I got even one thing that is more shocking.
Speaker 4: It's not our money, it's our children and grandchildren's money,
Speaker 4: because it's borrowed money that they're going to have to pay.
Speaker 2: Right, You're right, they've they've already spent our money.
Speaker 4: Jim, Yeah, our money has been spent already. They are
Speaker 4: now spending future generations money. Both again, I always say this,
Speaker 4: both Republicans and Democrats. I mean, yeah, we can throw
Speaker 4: point the finger of Democrats right now for not keep
Speaker 4: not allowing the government open. But what I was trying
Speaker 4: to say is Republicans are going to reopen it by
Speaker 4: supporting subsidies for Obamacare, which we're supposed to go away
Speaker 4: and did go away in the Big Beautiful Bill. And
Speaker 4: this is what I'm trying to say. People forget they
Speaker 4: went through this whole process to pass this big beautiful
Speaker 4: bill which eliminated the subsidies, and watch Republicans cross over
Speaker 4: and vote for the subsidies to reopen the government. Going forward.
Speaker 4: That's what I'm saying. It's all about the election, the
Speaker 4: next election.
Speaker 2: It's hodorific. Jim Reneesi, thank you so much for your
Speaker 2: time today. I appreciate it. I always enjoy our conversations.
Speaker 2: And you know, God has you in Wadsworth right now
Speaker 2: because by God they need you there. Just remember that.
Speaker 4: Okay, Well, I appreciate that, and I wish God would
Speaker 4: keep quit finding me jobs to do.
Speaker 2: But I always like to go right. I can take
Speaker 2: care of my friend.
Speaker 5: Thank you.
Speaker 2: It has been way too long since we have had
Speaker 2: a chance to chat with our friend Rick Robinson, and
Speaker 2: I finally, you know, took the bull by the horns
Speaker 2: and called him and said, Rick, let's do some radio together,
Speaker 2: even though for all kinds of reasons we can't be
Speaker 2: in the studio together. Tonight we are on the phone
Speaker 2: with the man who wrote the great Book nineteen sixty
Speaker 2: eight and so many other fantastic pieces of literature, both
Speaker 2: the fiction and non fiction, and also a lawyer and
Speaker 2: someone with some deep, deep ties to Washington, d C.
Speaker 2: And our government in Kentucky and federally, and the guy
Speaker 2: that has been there, he knows where the bodies are buried.
Speaker 2: He still hasn't told me exactly where the bodies are buried,
Speaker 2: but you know then he'd have to kill me.
Speaker 6: Of course, I have to clean off the shovel first.
Speaker 2: Good deal, always clean the shovel. Do you use bleach
Speaker 2: for that or how does that work?
Speaker 6: You know, it's kind of like.
Speaker 7: That scene in Goodfellows, you know, you know where they
Speaker 7: go and they go, what's that?
Speaker 6: What's that noise in the back of the trunk.
Speaker 7: We got a problem with this, That's what Democrats and
Speaker 7: Republicans are saying. We got a problem with this bats thing,
Speaker 7: this billy bats thing.
Speaker 2: So uh, let's talk first about the the uh, the
Speaker 2: elephant and the donkey in the room, which of course
Speaker 2: is the government shutdown, which continues now for almost a
Speaker 2: full month. And I think, you know, I know a
Speaker 2: lot of people thought in the first couple of weeks
Speaker 2: of it the Democrats were winning the messaging on it.
Speaker 2: I don't think they still are. And forget about polls.
Speaker 2: I'm just telling you it's coming more and more into
Speaker 2: focus that real Americans are being hurt by this with
Speaker 2: the snap and the WIG program. The Republicans are ready
Speaker 2: to continue the spending as it was not adding anymore
Speaker 2: and not adding anything to the big bill that passed
Speaker 2: July fourth. The Democrats want all kinds of subsidies put
Speaker 2: back in before there's any negotiation, before they will come
Speaker 2: to the foe and vote in the Senate. This is
Speaker 2: being known as the Schumer shut down. And when wick
Speaker 2: and Snap benefits are cut off and people start losing
Speaker 2: their paychecks, you got to look at at who's you know.
Speaker 2: They Democrats keep on asking the Republicans to negotiate. Well,
Speaker 2: the Republicans already passed the clean cr in the House,
Speaker 2: so they can negotiate, and Chuck Schumer primarily and some
Speaker 2: of his Democratic counterparts aren't willing to go ahead and
Speaker 2: vote because they're afraid of the Marxist left base of
Speaker 2: their party. And I think that message is starting to
Speaker 2: resonate with voters.
Speaker 7: What do you think, Well, I think this is a
Speaker 7: week actually, Gary Cheff, that this is a good time
Speaker 7: to be talking about this because it's all going to
Speaker 7: start coming to a head this week.
Speaker 6: And when I say that, I mean.
Speaker 7: Because this is the first round of folks who are
Speaker 7: still working not getting paychecks, you know, Ran Paul yesterday,
Speaker 7: I noticed in today this morning's newspaper said, you know,
Speaker 7: his comment was with his dry sense of humor that
Speaker 7: he has.
Speaker 6: I don't know about.
Speaker 7: You, but I want to make sure that my air
Speaker 7: traffic controller for my flight back today is is somebody
Speaker 7: who's getting paid.
Speaker 6: You know, this is when it's the rubber is starting
Speaker 6: to hit the road.
Speaker 7: You're having folks at TSA, You're having folks at the
Speaker 7: air traffic control of all the military. Are all these
Speaker 7: people who continue to work without pay? This is coming
Speaker 7: to a head this week. The other thing, though not
Speaker 7: really focused upon and any of the media that I'm reading,
Speaker 7: is that also this week, the people who are the
Speaker 7: and this comes from actually as you might expect from
Speaker 7: me from going to a bar recently, this hits with
Speaker 7: This hits with, you know, the people who are the
Speaker 7: working poor of America because also in the coming week,
Speaker 7: they won't start.
Speaker 6: Getting their new premium.
Speaker 7: Amounts for their health insurance that they've gotten under the ACA.
Speaker 7: And it's going to be interesting to see what those
Speaker 7: premiums do, because you make you know, you're talking about
Speaker 7: people who, in the instance of the person that I
Speaker 7: was speaking with, you know, probably I didn't ask her,
Speaker 7: but probably makes thirty to you know, thirty five thousand
Speaker 7: a year, you know, takes their tips and.
Speaker 6: Doesn't declare them.
Speaker 7: You know, and then gets her her health character the
Speaker 7: ACA thor the government. If that doubles triples for her,
Speaker 7: she can't afford it.
Speaker 6: So it's going to.
Speaker 7: Be interesting to see what happens this week with all
Speaker 7: of that coming to fruition, and what's going to happen,
Speaker 7: you know, in the coming weeks with the shutdown.
Speaker 2: We'll see the shoe still good, we can be talking
Speaker 2: about it. The shoe still goes back onto the Democrats'
Speaker 2: foot when it comes to the ACA subsidies, because they
Speaker 2: themselves voted to sunset these.
Speaker 6: Precisely.
Speaker 2: So I think I think the owners completely goes on
Speaker 2: the Democrats in all of this.
Speaker 7: Rick, Well, you know, the the interesting thing is when
Speaker 7: you talk about the oners, and I've been thinking about
Speaker 7: this a lot since you and I talked last night
Speaker 7: and and when we asked me if I was available today.
Speaker 7: The thing I've been thinking about is what impact will
Speaker 7: this have on the on the.
Speaker 6: On the interim elections?
Speaker 7: And I guess I came to the conclusion that the
Speaker 7: impact that we'll have is absolutely nothing.
Speaker 6: So let's that's.
Speaker 7: A that's a year away, and voters right now, their
Speaker 7: their memory is is about that of your your standard
Speaker 7: h standard poodle, you know who you tell to go fitch,
Speaker 7: fetch a ball and bring it back, and then about
Speaker 7: two minutes later they forget they're playing toss.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 6: You know, we change as voters.
Speaker 7: We change so often on the issues that impact us
Speaker 7: and atther to us that it is hard to tell
Speaker 7: what this will have a year from now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree, Uh, I don't think that this is
Speaker 2: the make or break for the midterms, but there are
Speaker 2: some races that we need to talk about around the
Speaker 2: country that are crucial that are coming up next week.
Speaker 2: And then of course in in Sentina, there is a
Speaker 2: clear choice between more of the same, unacceptable as the
Speaker 2: current mayor who's running again actually says about public safety
Speaker 2: and crime in Cincinnati, and a guy who's offering a
Speaker 2: fresh alternative but happens to be a Republican. And there
Speaker 2: hasn't been a Republican elected to a major office in Cincinnati,
Speaker 2: and I don't know how long in Corey Bowman and
Speaker 2: these are these are very important crucial elections. But you
Speaker 2: know what, just like the New York City election, don't
Speaker 2: worry about the polls, concern yourself with a turnout, because
Speaker 2: that is going to be the difference precisely. And I
Speaker 2: think it's one of the things go ahead.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 7: One of thing was I was in Washington, DC recently
Speaker 7: up there on a business trip, and the one thing
Speaker 7: that I was was struck by Usually in the year
Speaker 7: out from an interim, one party is feeling a little
Speaker 7: bit like they're being kicked and one party is feeling
Speaker 7: pretty confident about whiter they're headed. It's really interesting in
Speaker 7: there right now because both parties feel that they have
Speaker 7: the edge in the interim. And I think it's interesting
Speaker 7: to look at that because.
Speaker 6: Both of them feel that.
Speaker 7: And when you look at these local elections, what the
Speaker 7: Democrats are really looking at is, yeah, we expect to
Speaker 7: win Democratic.
Speaker 6: These races. You got a couple of.
Speaker 7: Specials coming up next week, you got Tennessee coming up
Speaker 7: in a couple of weeks after that, you got the
Speaker 7: Cincinnati election coming up. They're looking at things and going,
Speaker 7: we should win these.
Speaker 1: Boy.
Speaker 7: I hope the margin is big. But if you get
Speaker 7: to the turnout issue, you're exactly dead on. You get
Speaker 7: to the turnout issue, and maybe it's just about if
Speaker 7: you suddenly look at New Jersey and Virginia and these
Speaker 7: races that are going on, if you look at at
Speaker 7: a slim margin, there's going to be a lot of
Speaker 7: Republicans doing a happy dance in DC.
Speaker 2: Oh. You know what the thing about Virginia specifically, you
Speaker 2: have Winsom Sears, who has been an underdog from the
Speaker 2: time that she announced for for the governorship of Virginia.
Speaker 2: And you know that that is a state that is
Speaker 2: so top heavy in certain sections with federal workers and
Speaker 2: people who work in Washington, d C. That there is.
Speaker 7: An interesting an interesting balance because you have Northern Virginia,
Speaker 7: which is the federal workers, but then you also have
Speaker 7: Norfolk which is all.
Speaker 6: Of the military.
Speaker 2: Uh huh, yeah exactly. And Spamberger has all of the
Speaker 2: Democrat push behind her, and uh actually the Democrat Party
Speaker 2: fully behind Spamberger. But when some Sears has made gains
Speaker 2: that nobody saw coming, and I you know, I want
Speaker 2: to talk about New Jersey for a second. I know
Speaker 2: we're here in the heart of the country, in the heartland,
Speaker 2: and they ignore us in New Jersey most of the time.
Speaker 2: We're not going to ignore them tonight because in a week,
Speaker 2: they will be deciding whether they continue with the same old,
Speaker 2: same old Democrat hierarchy that has existed since Chris Christy
Speaker 2: left office in Mikey Chryl or are they going to
Speaker 2: make real change with Jack Chittarelli, who's now on his
Speaker 2: third run for governor. But this time around, man, it's
Speaker 2: neck and neck.
Speaker 6: In New Jersey, it's neck and neck.
Speaker 7: But I got to believe that the Unions are going
Speaker 7: to get out of a Democratic.
Speaker 6: Vote there just because it's Jersey.
Speaker 7: And the one thing that I I you know, that
Speaker 7: I would would would caution.
Speaker 6: Going in, don't again, if you are on one.
Speaker 7: Side or the other, don't be expecting a big overthrowing either.
Speaker 7: Hear of these races, but look at the margin because
Speaker 7: that's what's going to tell the tale when it comes
Speaker 7: to the interims next year.
Speaker 6: Was going on in the.
Speaker 2: Margins, and I think the margins are going to be
Speaker 2: extremely slim in both cases, Virginia and New Jersey. I
Speaker 2: really did.
Speaker 7: Yeah, you know, and like I said, if we end
Speaker 7: up next week, if we're doing this show on next Wednesday, yeah,
Speaker 7: we're sitting around them. We're looking at the turnout and
Speaker 7: somebody's going to be dancing a jig and somebody is
Speaker 7: going to be shaking.
Speaker 2: Their head, no doubt about it. The New York City
Speaker 2: thing I heard earlier today someone talking and it wasn't
Speaker 2: necessarily a Republican or Republican strategist, but talking about the
Speaker 2: fact that Mandani's lead is now halved over Cuomo. I
Speaker 2: can't imagine Andrew Cuomo, after all of the baggage that
Speaker 2: he's carrying around, would win that that race somehow miraculously
Speaker 2: in New York City over the Communists that's running. Not
Speaker 2: a tim Democratic socialist is just a misnomer for communist
Speaker 2: or Marxist. If you talk about controlling, uh the means
Speaker 2: of production and you're talking about free grocery stores and
Speaker 2: free buses, yeah, they're they're free up to a point
Speaker 2: until you run out of money and you run out
Speaker 2: of rich people to pay them. Uh So.
Speaker 7: The old the old pgo rourk line. You know when
Speaker 7: they talk about healthcare. If you think healthcare is extense,
Speaker 7: now way to it's free.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. So we're looking at that and uh there's
Speaker 2: it's it's all about turnout once again, especially in New
Speaker 2: York City. Think about this, AOC has won this district
Speaker 2: that she's in, uh how many times now three four times.
Speaker 2: It's a district of about a seven hundred and fifty
Speaker 2: eight hundred thousand people. She is one with seventeen thousand votes.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's it's insane how low the voter turnout
Speaker 2: is in this city. And you know what, in Cincinnati,
Speaker 2: it's the same thing. The voter turnout is so pathetic
Speaker 2: Rick that no wonder we get total mediocrity out of
Speaker 2: the people that are elected in Cincinnati to serve as
Speaker 2: mayor and council people.
Speaker 7: It is amazing to me in off ecce election years,
Speaker 7: just the people that don't show up. And when you
Speaker 7: end up getting people that don't show up, you get
Speaker 7: exactly what you voted for, which is you voted for nothing,
Speaker 7: and you get that thing you get when you get
Speaker 7: to that point.
Speaker 2: I don't understand why people who are unhappy with their
Speaker 2: lives and with the service so called in quotes that
Speaker 2: they're receiving from their elected leaders continue to just become
Speaker 2: more and more apathetic over time. It just doesn't make
Speaker 2: any sense to me. And I'm someone who the first
Speaker 2: chance I had to vote in an election was nineteen
Speaker 2: eighty and I pretty much have voted every single time
Speaker 2: I've had the opportunity, maybe save one or two over
Speaker 2: the last forty five years.
Speaker 7: I had a few years on you, and I think
Speaker 7: my first was seventy six. But you are exactly right.
Speaker 7: I voted every time I've had the opportunity to. I
Speaker 7: can't think of any that I've missed over the years,
Speaker 7: although you know, I do have to look at it here.
Speaker 7: I I want to become a Charter right. I don't
Speaker 7: even know what that means, but it's kind of cool
Speaker 7: to not be a Republican or a Democrat. You know,
Speaker 7: I'm thinking of because I've been thinking about changing my
Speaker 7: party registration to WIG.
Speaker 6: You know, you know.
Speaker 7: But the idea that you could have a third party
Speaker 7: that actually still gets attention love that. I think that's
Speaker 7: one thing that I love about Cincinnati.
Speaker 2: I know plenty plenty of Libertarians, but I don't know
Speaker 2: many Libertarians who've gotten elected to office truly.
Speaker 6: Well you know, we we've they have gotten elected.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 7: If you look at for instance, in Kentucky, you look
Speaker 7: at Ken Paul and you are Ken Paul uh Rand Paul.
Speaker 7: Ken Paul was an old uh uh politician over here
Speaker 7: in northern Kentucky and you look at uh.
Speaker 6: I mean, you have.
Speaker 7: Two people that impact our little L Libertarians in their
Speaker 7: view of government.
Speaker 6: They they don't belong to the party.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 7: The interesting thing, and I don't know if it still
Speaker 7: is the case, you know, but Alaska was pretty was
Speaker 7: divided up between Republican Democrat independence and Big L Party Libertarians. Well,
Speaker 7: I mean you which made some of their legislative sessions
Speaker 7: for a long time very interesting.
Speaker 2: Well, to paraphrase about to paraphrase phrase, Sam wish you
Speaker 2: don't live in Alaska. You live in northern Kentucky.
Speaker 7: Listen, Rick, Well it's less you here to throw snowballs
Speaker 7: so in Alaska than it is northern Kentucky.
Speaker 2: So well, listen. I wanted to let you know, Rick,
Speaker 2: I will be on next Tuesday night from nine till
Speaker 2: midnight on election night, and if you have any time
Speaker 2: while we're looking at results and you'd like to speak
Speaker 2: again to see if we're doing a jigger shaking our heads,
Speaker 2: I'd love to have you on. It's all according to
Speaker 2: your availability.
Speaker 6: I'll be glad. I'll be glad to love to come on.
Speaker 7: You know, I always enjoy you know, election nights are
Speaker 7: to me so special because it's the one time where
Speaker 7: we show our we show our freedom, we show our liberty, walkout,
Speaker 7: you know. To me, it's the grade of son Christian
Speaker 7: holiday that we have in.
Speaker 6: The election day. I love I love those days so well.
Speaker 6: You know what.
Speaker 2: That reminds me of a quote from my former program
Speaker 2: director here, Darryl Parks, who always said politics are sports
Speaker 2: for geeks. Congratulations, right, have a good.
Speaker 1: Night, brother, Yes they are YouTube all right?
Speaker 2: Rick Robinson on the Nightcap as we continue. Just ahead,
Speaker 2: we have the Jim Lebarbara Rock and Roll archaeology segment
Speaker 2: from this past Saturday morning. Because some people just can't
Speaker 2: get up in time. And I'm a nice guy. It's
Speaker 2: the Nightcap on seven hundred w l W. As I
Speaker 2: mentioned before the break, we are welcoming back Doomsday. Dave
Speaker 2: the Mad Hatter, tech talk guy on a Tuesday night
Speaker 2: on a nightcap on seven hundred w l W, Garry
Speaker 2: Jeff and the aforementioned Dave Hatter, who was speaking today
Speaker 2: in Lexington. I don't I don't know who he was
Speaker 2: speaking to, but boy, aren't they lucky people? And now
Speaker 2: he's speaking to us.
Speaker 1: Dave, how are you I'm good and thank you for
Speaker 1: the kind compliment.
Speaker 5: I appreciate that.
Speaker 2: It's always good to have you on lots of great
Speaker 2: information for people as we live in this crazy cyber
Speaker 2: world Internet of things, place that doesn't seem real. Sometimes
Speaker 2: speaking of not seeming real, sometimes human detection of political speech,
Speaker 2: deep fakes are becoming more and more widespread. Is that
Speaker 2: true or not.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is a recent study, and I'm not at
Speaker 1: all surprised by the findings. I think if anyone just
Speaker 1: goes online and hits a site like Google's vo three
Speaker 1: or open ai Sora, you can create incredibly realistic videos
Speaker 1: at this point. And you know, certainly if you train
Speaker 1: the model with a real person's voice, you can create
Speaker 1: things that are going to seem very realistic see a
Speaker 1: first glance. So, you know, Gary, Jeff, you and I
Speaker 1: have been talking about this for years. People have been
Speaker 1: warning about deep fake and you know, just the general
Speaker 1: negative impact on society of deep fakes. But I think,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm a little surprised this didn't play out
Speaker 1: more in the last election cycle. As we head into
Speaker 1: the midterms and another presidential election in twenty twenty eight,
Speaker 1: it's hard for me to believe this isn't going to
Speaker 1: have more impact because the quality of these continue to
Speaker 1: improve very rapidly, and I don't think most people really
Speaker 1: understand just how realistic these things already are. Again, I
Speaker 1: go check out VO three, go check out Soora, see
Speaker 1: what they're capable of, and I think the average person
Speaker 1: that they haven't seen these things will be shocked at
Speaker 1: how realistic this video is. It's only going to improve. So,
Speaker 1: you know, I think it gets us back to you
Speaker 1: really are now out of place where you can't believe
Speaker 1: anything that you see, and you have to verify everything
Speaker 1: because there's a strong possibility, especially if it impacts anything
Speaker 1: important in the real world, that it fake.
Speaker 2: Well, see, there are the problem with this is there
Speaker 2: are so many examples of real videos out there that
Speaker 2: are so hard to believe. I mean, if you you
Speaker 2: look at say the Katie Porter woman who's running for
Speaker 2: governor out in California, I mean, there's absolutely bonafide evidence
Speaker 2: that she's said some bonafide awful things on camera and
Speaker 2: embarrassed herself. And then you introduce the deep Fix into
Speaker 2: this pool, this cesspool of information that the voters are
Speaker 2: trying to glean from. I mean, there's a lot of
Speaker 2: stuff that we know is real, it's really hard to believe.
Speaker 1: Would you agree, yes, And I think you're making a
Speaker 1: really interesting point, but kind of from the alternative approach
Speaker 1: I was coming from that people will create deep sake
Speaker 1: videos that are false to you know, put forth the
Speaker 1: narrative to make the candidate look bad whatever. But you now,
Speaker 1: because of the quality of these things, have the opposite
Speaker 1: potentiue where someone says, well, I didn't actually say that,
Speaker 1: that's a deep take. And you know, if you if
Speaker 1: you get down to the last minute before an election,
Speaker 1: right during the last day or two, whether something services
Speaker 1: it's real, and then someone wants to claim it's a
Speaker 1: deep take, or vice versus, someone creates a deep fake
Speaker 1: to paint someone in a negative light and releases it.
Speaker 1: You know, thanks to the speed of social media and
Speaker 1: the difficulty of vetting these things, sometimes you know, it
Speaker 1: can have a real negative impact on an election. Not
Speaker 1: to mention Gary Jeff Okay, I want to frame someone
Speaker 1: for committing a crime, well, here's a video or audio
Speaker 1: of them sitting or doing something they didn't do. Or
Speaker 1: again vice versa, I show up in court and say, well,
Speaker 1: that's not me. That's a deep fath So you know,
Speaker 1: we're headed into really uncharted waters with this AI generative
Speaker 1: AI capability to create audio and video. And the last
Speaker 1: point I would make about it is, I just want
Speaker 1: to reiterate this. Thok. Don't take my word for it.
Speaker 1: Go see these things for yourself, and be aware that
Speaker 1: any phone call you get, any conversation you have, you
Speaker 1: could be talking to someone that has stolen the voice.
Speaker 1: People will say, well, I'm I'm not a radio celebrity
Speaker 1: like Gary Jeff Walker. How would you get my voice?
Speaker 1: You got a voicemail greeting on your phone? Because that
Speaker 1: you do, I can record your voicemail greeting, feed it
Speaker 1: into one of these free tools, and I can be
Speaker 1: you in about fifteen minutes. I have actually done this
Speaker 1: several times to prove to people it's real. This is
Speaker 1: a real thing, and it's it's gonna get worse before
Speaker 1: it gets better. People get to be skeptical.
Speaker 2: Dave Hatter, I'm just flattered that you called me a
Speaker 2: radio personality. That's so nice.
Speaker 1: Celebrity, Gary Jeff not just a personality, but it's celet celebrity.
Speaker 2: Wow, this is why I have you on. You know,
Speaker 2: here's another story for Dave Hatter tonight on the Night
Speaker 2: Cap AI attacks Surge. I didn't know that AI was
Speaker 2: here to attack US. I thought it was here to
Speaker 2: help US. AI attack surge. As Microsoft process one hundred
Speaker 2: trillion signals daily, number one, what are AI attacks and
Speaker 2: how can there possibly be that many signals every day?
Speaker 1: Well, you have to understand how they define signal. But
Speaker 1: think about that for a second. One hundred trillion trillion,
Speaker 1: not billions with a trillion with with a trill. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I mean if you think about just the vast
Speaker 1: scale of that, and that's every day. So Microsoft obviously
Speaker 1: has a huge footprint many you know, millions of companies
Speaker 1: are using the Microsoft platform microsoftly sixty five as you're
Speaker 1: etc to run their businesses out of their clouds. So
Speaker 1: I think you know, at first off, it shows you
Speaker 1: the sheer scale that they're dealing with. And secondarily, I
Speaker 1: would argue, now you may not be a Microsoft fan,
Speaker 1: but I would argue that the sheer volume they're dealing
Speaker 1: with gives you some insight into the fact that they
Speaker 1: know what they're talking about. When they tell you you
Speaker 1: should do X, Y or C, you know that number
Speaker 1: has gone up drastically in the last few years. I
Speaker 1: can remember a few years ago. Fighting is very statistic,
Speaker 1: and I think it was like a trigger signals today.
Speaker 1: So I think it's a combination of more people using
Speaker 1: their platform, more attacks directed at their platform as a result.
Speaker 1: And then you know the angle this articles taking that
Speaker 1: AI is hewing these attacks. You know, AI can be
Speaker 1: used in all kinds of different ways, in some beneficial ways,
Speaker 1: in some malignant ways. In this particular case, it might
Speaker 1: be okay, instead of me as a hacker trying to
Speaker 1: log into people's accounts because they have bad passwords, and
Speaker 1: they'll multifactor authentication, which by the way, is one of
Speaker 1: the things Microsoft says is part of this report. You
Speaker 1: should be using multi factor authentication instead of me sitting
Speaker 1: there doing that. I could use some sort of AI
Speaker 1: agent to try to do that on my behalf. You know,
Speaker 1: it doesn't get tired, it doesn't take breaks, it doesn't
Speaker 1: call in sinct, so you know, bad guys are using AI.
Speaker 1: There was a recent story from Perplexity, a company that
Speaker 1: builds these AI chat pots, that a hacker basically use
Speaker 1: their platform to do a bunch of research to find
Speaker 1: companies that had none vulnerabilities, then build attacks against those
Speaker 1: non vulnerabilities, deal whatever they could analyze the data using
Speaker 1: the AI tool to figure out how could they get
Speaker 1: money out of these people, So you know, whether it's
Speaker 1: the deep sake angle we just talked about before, or
Speaker 1: using this, you know, automated capabilities to help you find
Speaker 1: problems to exploit, to help you figure out how to
Speaker 1: exploit problems once you've found them, to figure out how
Speaker 1: to analyze whatever you've stolen, to figure out where it
Speaker 1: might have some value, you know, sadly per Microsoft, it's
Speaker 1: all of those things. And then that report again, I
Speaker 1: just want to reiterate because I say this all the time,
Speaker 1: and I know people roll their eyes. Whether it's Microsoft,
Speaker 1: it's Google, it's DHS, it's FBI. Multifacture authentication keeps coming up.
Speaker 1: It's one of the most basic things you can do
Speaker 1: to protect your accounts, your personal accounts, your business accounts.
Speaker 1: It is not foolproof. Bad guys are increasingly coming up
Speaker 1: with ways to work around multi factor authentication to be
Speaker 1: able to get into your accounts anyway. But Microsoft just
Speaker 1: said in this most recent report that it will block
Speaker 1: as up to nine nine of credential based attacks In
Speaker 1: other words, I'm trying to use trying to get your
Speaker 1: username of password and then log into your account to
Speaker 1: see what I can steal, to figure out how I
Speaker 1: can maneuver around through your environment until I find something
Speaker 1: more stew or to send out things you know under
Speaker 1: your name because I'm impersonating you. Account takeovers are the
Speaker 1: main type of attack that we see in our business.
Speaker 1: Carry Jeff, and again, multi factor authentication it's not perfect,
Speaker 1: but it will block a lot of this stuff. And
Speaker 1: unless you are being explicitly targeted, most bad guys will
Speaker 1: just move on to a softer target. So again, don't
Speaker 1: take my words for it. See what Microsoftware the FBI
Speaker 1: has to say about this.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, the thing is, Dave, is that multi factor
Speaker 2: authentication is really not hard to use. I mean, I
Speaker 2: use it every day here so I can get paid.
Speaker 2: To fill out my time card, I have to use
Speaker 2: an MFA and it's it takes me an extra two
Speaker 2: seconds of time to use MFA, and yet it protects
Speaker 2: my time card, it protects the company from someone you know,
Speaker 2: getting involved in something that they don't belong in.
Speaker 1: It's again, it's not foolproof, but it is trivially easy
Speaker 1: to configure. It doesn't take very long. I know people
Speaker 1: get frustrated to have to keep entering those codes, but
Speaker 1: it really, truly is one of the simplest things, and
Speaker 1: it's free. I might add that you can do to
Speaker 1: protect your personal accounts, to protect your business accounts. And
Speaker 1: people will also say things to me like, well, why
Speaker 1: do I care if someone gets into my email? Why
Speaker 1: do I care about MFA? Why do I care about
Speaker 1: having a strong, unique password all that stuff? View pointy
Speaker 1: heads tell me, Dave, why do I care about that?
Speaker 1: If I can get into your email account? Think about
Speaker 1: this for a second carriage, Jeff. If you forget your
Speaker 1: password for any website out there, how does that usually work? Well,
Speaker 1: it sends an email to the email account you have
Speaker 1: on file. If I can get into your email account
Speaker 1: and I can see any of the any website you
Speaker 1: interacted with, I can potentially go there ask for a
Speaker 1: password reset. It comes to your now compromised email box.
Speaker 1: That is a bad actor I'm controlling. I reset all
Speaker 1: your passwords. I take over all your accounts, your bank,
Speaker 1: your insurance, you name it. I can potentially take over
Speaker 1: all of your accounts if I can compromise one or
Speaker 1: more of your email.
Speaker 2: Account because so it will ask you forgot your password. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and it's just a few hoops you've got to jump
Speaker 2: through to have a new password. And then the person
Speaker 2: who was hacked into your email and gotten into your
Speaker 2: accounts you can't get into your account because the password
Speaker 2: is no longer the same and somebody else that is
Speaker 2: just wreaking havoc in your name.
Speaker 1: Sadly, that is exactly correct. I've seen it happen many times.
Speaker 1: And this is why you really need to consider your
Speaker 1: email account or accounts highly sensitive. You need to have
Speaker 1: a strong, unique password for each one. You need to
Speaker 1: turn on MSA on as a time house, because again,
Speaker 1: if I get into your email, it's entirely possible I
Speaker 1: will literally take over your whole life and do who
Speaker 1: knows what to you.
Speaker 2: And once again, MFA means multi factor authentication, nothing else,
Speaker 2: all right, correct? Next story Dave hadd sixty minutes spotlighting
Speaker 2: Chinese hacking of Massachusetts town's utility network. I just had
Speaker 2: this conversation with Jim Ornac earlier tonight. He's now temporarily
Speaker 2: on the city council of his hometown of Wadsworth, Ohio,
Speaker 2: where he once once mayor and they had a problem
Speaker 2: with their power grid. They were out for like twelve
Speaker 2: hours because one poll went down in a town of
Speaker 2: twenty five thousand people and there was no backup grid.
Speaker 2: So anyway, this Chinese hacking of a town's utility network
Speaker 2: is equally problematic and something that these city councils and
Speaker 2: state governments, alot of the federal government is going out,
Speaker 2: have to address.
Speaker 1: Couldn't agree with you more this. This really keeps me
Speaker 1: up at night, especially when I put my mare's hat on. Gary, Jeff, Now,
Speaker 1: you know we don't supply utilities to the residents of
Speaker 1: Fort right. You know, the water comes from the water district,
Speaker 1: sanitation comes from the sanitation district, the electricity comes from Duke.
Speaker 1: But that's not the case across many states and across
Speaker 1: many municipalities. And again, I'm really glad you brought this up, because,
Speaker 1: first off, it's a great opportunity for me to get
Speaker 1: on my soapbox a little at. Ohio recently passed the
Speaker 1: law House Bill ninety six. Jim will probably know about this.
Speaker 1: House Bill ninety six requires all quote political subdivisions unquote
Speaker 1: in Ohio, think local governments to implement certain cybersecurity protections.
Speaker 1: Now it's not they're not asking you, they're telling you
Speaker 1: you must do this. There's three things, one of which
Speaker 1: includes a cybersecurity program. Is this perfect? No, It's a
Speaker 1: great step in the right direction, though, because now it's
Speaker 1: forcing local governments to start to take these things seriously
Speaker 1: with potential consequences that they don't. I bring that up
Speaker 1: before I answer your specific question, because I think you
Speaker 1: and I have talked about this before. I've been working
Speaker 1: for a long time in Kentucky to get Kentucky to
Speaker 1: follow Ohio's lead on many cybersecurity right of things. Ohio,
Speaker 1: to a large extent, has their act together, is doing
Speaker 1: an amazing job showing some real leadership in this space.
Speaker 1: And I have to try to say, hey, our friends
Speaker 1: that they'll hire are doing all these really smart things.
Speaker 1: Could we just follow their lead? And I also want
Speaker 1: to say one last thing before I answer your question.
Speaker 1: The folks in Ohio who have been behind these initiatives
Speaker 1: have been unbelievably helpful. I mean, I call these people up,
Speaker 1: they give me all their information, they tell me who
Speaker 1: sponsored the bill, they point me in the right direction.
Speaker 1: Just super helpful. But the story you point out there
Speaker 1: with Jim's municipality. You know, again, when you get into
Speaker 1: a place where these municipalities are providing critical services, and
Speaker 1: even if you take the electricity out of it, you
Speaker 1: take the water out of it, pretty critical of modern life.
Speaker 1: You got to get the ambulances out, You've got to
Speaker 1: get the police out. You know, first responders are providing
Speaker 1: life saving services for people. If your systems are down
Speaker 1: and you can't provide those services, it's no longer just
Speaker 1: the threat of, well they stole some data about our
Speaker 1: employees or our residents, or we lost some money because
Speaker 1: we had to make a ransomware payment. It's I can't
Speaker 1: provide the critical services of my constituents expect and depend on. Frankly,
Speaker 1: and you know, I've been beating this drum for a
Speaker 1: long long time, Gary, Jeff again, I kind of see
Speaker 1: those sides of this working in the business and cybersecurity
Speaker 1: and also having been involved in local government in northern
Speaker 1: Kentucky for a long time, and this is the kind
Speaker 1: of thing that keeps me up to night. Imagine if
Speaker 1: you could knock out like the main dispatch center and
Speaker 1: they were offline for days or weeks, and this may
Speaker 1: sound far affetched to people, but look no further than Jaguar.
Speaker 1: Jaguar just had a massive cybersecurity incident. They've been down
Speaker 1: for almost two months. They had to lay off thousands
Speaker 1: of people. They have their suppliers laid off people. The
Speaker 1: last that I saw was they had lost around two
Speaker 1: billion dollars because of downtime caused by a cyber attack.
Speaker 1: And that's terrible. Will they survive, I don't know. It's
Speaker 1: terrible for the business, it's terrible for the people that
Speaker 1: work there, it's terrible for their suppliers. But imagine again
Speaker 1: if that were a local government or many local governments,
Speaker 1: and the ambulance doesn't show up when you're having a
Speaker 1: critical health exit, or the police don't show up when
Speaker 1: you need them to come. And as crazy as it
Speaker 1: sounds to people, that's where we are in this sixty
Speaker 1: minute story out of Boston. That's not the first example,
Speaker 1: carry Jeff, of municipal agencies that have been attacked, in
Speaker 1: some cases had systems manipulated, systems knocked offline. Know there
Speaker 1: have been many recent cyber attacks in the Greater Cincinnati
Speaker 1: metro on local governments that have gotten suppressed. So cattering
Speaker 1: health not exactly a local government. But if you're having
Speaker 1: a heart attack and you're on your way to the
Speaker 1: hospital and they can't provide services because this iss it down,
Speaker 1: that's a problem for all of us in the real world. Yes,
Speaker 1: got to get serious about this. And again kudos to
Speaker 1: Ohio House Bill ninety six for leading.
Speaker 6: The way on this.
Speaker 2: All right, two minutes, this is the this is the last.
Speaker 2: This is a fast track here. Dave big Brother truly
Speaker 2: is watching. AI traffic cop catches thousands of drivers texting
Speaker 2: behind the wheel.
Speaker 1: I'm sure this comes as no surprise to you. This
Speaker 1: story comes from the UK, considering that they seem to
Speaker 1: be going with every sort of Poor William panopticon might
Speaker 1: DYSTOPI a nightmare you can imagine there. But apparently, and
Speaker 1: at least some jurisdictions, they've rolled out this AI traffic
Speaker 1: cop if you will, and you know, it uses a
Speaker 1: series of cameras. It looks in your car. It tries
Speaker 1: to determine are you on the phone, are you using
Speaker 1: a GPS? You know, are you basically distracted driving? And
Speaker 1: or are you wearing your seat belt? Now I get
Speaker 1: that there's a strong argument why those of those things
Speaker 1: are good. You. Wearing your seat belt is good for you.
Speaker 1: You not distracted driving is good for everyone else on
Speaker 1: the road.
Speaker 6: Yep.
Speaker 1: But you know, AI makes some mistakes all the time.
Speaker 1: That's one of the reasons why I don't think it's
Speaker 1: anywhere nearly as it doesn't live up to the hype
Speaker 1: that today would.
Speaker 6: Have you believe.
Speaker 1: Now. I'm not saying it'll never get there, but it
Speaker 1: makes mistakes all the time. The facial recognition doesn't always
Speaker 1: work right. So to me, this is a concerning look
Speaker 1: into where we may be headed in the future where
Speaker 1: you're essentially just under constant dystopian surveillance from this stuff.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean it doesn't always work right. I'll catch
Speaker 2: at least five people doing it on my way up
Speaker 2: seventy one. Sure, but I don't have I don't have
Speaker 2: the uh. I don't have the authority to make a
Speaker 2: citizens harest like an Andy Griffith.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what we need, Gomer Pyle out there doing
Speaker 1: some citizens arrest.
Speaker 2: Dave Hatter, thank you as always for your time, sir.
Speaker 2: It's always a pleasure, and we will do it again soon.
Speaker 2: I hope my pot pray all right. Yeah, the mad
Speaker 2: Hatter on the Nightcap, and there is still much more.
Speaker 2: Michael lets from invest USA on the way next, and
Speaker 2: we will finish off with the fur ball before we're
Speaker 2: done tonight seven hundred WLW. As we begin this hour
Speaker 2: of this nightcap on Tuesday night, October twenty eight, twenty five,
Speaker 2: on seven hundred WLW, Gary Jeff welcoming into our midst
Speaker 2: the great Todd Sheets, author of two thousand and eight
Speaker 2: What Really Happened and writing currently on wealth and Progress.
Speaker 2: You can see it on substeck. And when I saw
Speaker 2: this piece that you wrote, Todd Trump versus the Blue Cities,
Speaker 2: it kind of ties right into the whole half hour
Speaker 2: of what we're talking about. I have Michael Letts joining
Speaker 2: us from invest USA, who's got a thirty year career
Speaker 2: in law enforcement, so it kind of does time. And
Speaker 2: we're going to talk a little bit about Trump protecting
Speaker 2: blue cities who apparently have a problem with protecting themselves
Speaker 2: in my opinion, but you're right. Over the past few months,
Speaker 2: President Trump has deployed troops into Washington, d C, Los Angeles, Portland,
Speaker 2: and Chicago with a stated intention of protecting ice agents
Speaker 2: and federal property and restore safety and security for the
Speaker 2: city's residents. Democrat governors and mayors have reacted with outrage.
Speaker 2: At one level, their frustration seemed to be an outgrowth
Speaker 2: of an overarching narrative that has come to dominate party thinking,
Speaker 2: i e. That Trump represents an existential threat to democracy
Speaker 2: and his troop deployments, seen in this light, are the
Speaker 2: beginning of a hostile takeover of Democratic enclaves. Todd sheets,
Speaker 2: welcome to the show.
Speaker 1: Gary, thanks for having me again. Delighted to be with you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's great to have you. And so you break
Speaker 2: it all down in this latest peace. The reasons why
Speaker 2: why these Democrat enclaves are so vehemently against these moves
Speaker 2: of troop deployments into their little safe spaces. They say,
Speaker 2: it's a violation of the Posse Commatanas Act, an infringement
Speaker 2: on states rights and local control. Politically motivated to create
Speaker 2: a misleading narrative of lawlessness in Democrat jurisdictions. Well, I mean,
Speaker 2: the videos in the cameras don't lie, Todd. An escalation
Speaker 2: of tensions that could provoke a provoke a violent response,
Speaker 2: and it certainly has in places like Portland, Oregon, and
Speaker 2: outside of Chicago. At the Ice detention center, an affront
Speaker 2: to local law enforcement, and a misuse of military resources.
Speaker 2: So let's sort through all these things. Todd, in your opinion,
Speaker 2: is Trump's troop deployments in these blue cities a violation
Speaker 2: of the Posse Commatatas Act.
Speaker 8: Yeah, so I kind of break that down into three categories.
Speaker 8: And first we go through all these arguments, and then
Speaker 8: there's three categories, one of which is the legal issues
Speaker 8: involved with posse comitatus. Clearly falls into that category, along
Speaker 8: with like the question of are the allegation that he's
Speaker 8: violating the balance of power between the federal government and
Speaker 8: states and municipalities, And you know, I think the key
Speaker 8: thing there, as I point out, is like, you know,
Speaker 8: there are legal scholars that we could find that would
Speaker 8: write very impressive papers or make very impressive arguments on
Speaker 8: either side of this, which is kind of the way
Speaker 8: our legal system is supposed to work. You know, each
Speaker 8: side has their representation and so. But but the simplest
Speaker 8: thing to do, I think is to simply follow what
Speaker 8: is happening in the courts where these cases are being
Speaker 8: tried before judges who have spent their lives focusing, you know,
Speaker 8: on the law and are hearing both sides and then
Speaker 8: trying to apply the law as they see.
Speaker 1: Fit within the system. And they're also part of an
Speaker 1: appellate process, which is.
Speaker 8: There to protect people from you know, individual mishaps or
Speaker 8: bad decisions.
Speaker 1: But it seems like the left doesn't want to do
Speaker 1: that because they don't like the fact that Trump has
Speaker 1: won on many different you know, in many different cases
Speaker 1: you know, that have gone before the judges all the
Speaker 1: way up to the Supreme Court. So what I'm kind
Speaker 1: of arguing is, well, let's get away from all of
Speaker 1: that and let's just say is he or is he
Speaker 1: not complying with the judicial decisions that are coming down.
Speaker 1: And I think if we go into places like Portland
Speaker 1: and Chicago, where there are ice agents present right now
Speaker 1: and there are troops that are in the area but
Speaker 1: have not been deployed into the city because they're waiting
Speaker 1: for the judicial process to work its way through, it's
Speaker 1: pretty clear that, you know, he's not steam rolling the
Speaker 1: rule of law. He's actually adhering to it and following
Speaker 1: what the court cases are deciding. And I think that
Speaker 1: the real kind of you know, steamrolling of.
Speaker 8: The law, if you will, is coming from the left,
Speaker 8: who was saying, well, you know, we're not so interested
Speaker 8: in the rule of law as in having the law
Speaker 8: ruled as we want it to be ruled.
Speaker 1: And if it's not ruled that way, then we're going
Speaker 1: to be very frustrated by it.
Speaker 2: And we'll we'll kick and scream. And I've often said
Speaker 2: Todd that it seems to me like the left, if
Speaker 2: they can't win at the ballot box, they go to court.
Speaker 2: If they can't win in the courts, they try and
Speaker 2: win in the streets as kind of a last violent resort.
Speaker 2: And we've seen that play out as well. You mentioned
Speaker 2: Los Angeles in the piece, and how you know the
Speaker 2: governor obviously the mayor of Los Angeles totally against the
Speaker 2: deployment of troops back in June in LA by Donald Trump.
Speaker 2: And if the effort was to under city control or
Speaker 2: to take over a Democrat enclave like LA in I
Speaker 2: mean southern California, it's a one party state. We all
Speaker 2: know that. Then why is the city government continuing to
Speaker 2: function independently? Why are the police still Los Angeles Police
Speaker 2: and they've not been federalized. You make a good point there.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I think there's two very important points and you've
Speaker 8: hit the first one.
Speaker 6: Which is that.
Speaker 1: Yes, they did escalate the troop deployments for a period
Speaker 1: of time. They first went to eight hundred and then
Speaker 1: all the way up to forty seven hundred. And the
Speaker 1: first point that you've just made is if the intention
Speaker 1: was to take over the state or engage in a
Speaker 1: hostile takeover, which would fit into this narrative that Trump
Speaker 1: is an existential threat to democracy that I think defines
Speaker 1: almost everything that the far left you know, does and
Speaker 1: seize with respect to Trump. But if that was the case,
Speaker 1: they would have taken over these you know, elements of
Speaker 1: government while they had the maximum truth troop accounts.
Speaker 6: They didn't.
Speaker 1: And then the second thing is if that were still
Speaker 1: the narrative, then he would have kept those troops there
Speaker 1: or escalated them. But in fact what's happened is once
Speaker 1: things calmed down, you know, they've pulled out over ninety
Speaker 1: percent of the peak level of troop deployment into the
Speaker 1: LA area. So it's very clear that this is not
Speaker 1: a hostile takeover the government. This does not fit the
Speaker 1: narrative of an existential threat to democracy. And so you
Speaker 1: know what you see is then the arguments just shift
Speaker 1: on to some other element of this, like the Posse
Speaker 1: Comma Tatis Act, the legality issues which we just talked about,
Speaker 1: or the political issues with respect to it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there has been an escalation of tensions. I mean,
Speaker 2: you can't deny that in certain places. But again that's
Speaker 2: being fueled by the left. It's not anything that President
Speaker 2: Trump has done. In my view.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree with that.
Speaker 8: And one of the things I do in the subject
Speaker 8: piece that you referenced is I go to a little
Speaker 8: thing and say, you know, just imagine, let's say that
Speaker 8: these governors and mayors, you know, didn't agree with the
Speaker 8: idea of sending troops into their cities. But instead of
Speaker 8: stirring up, you know, this kind of harsh and violence,
Speaker 8: violent response, they just came out and said, we don't
Speaker 8: think it's necessary, but we are going to work with
Speaker 8: the President to make sure that this all goes as
Speaker 8: smoothly as possible. We urge the citizens not to protest
Speaker 8: or fight back, or fire on or throw projectiles, flammable
Speaker 8: projectiles or anything else. And then we are also going
Speaker 8: to be using our resources in addition to working with
Speaker 8: the national troops to make sure that the rights of
Speaker 8: every one are followed, and this means everybody from the
Speaker 8: citizens of LA to the federal troops who are doing
Speaker 8: their jobs there, to the local law enforcement who has
Speaker 8: a role, and even to the immigrants or the illegal
Speaker 8: immigrants to the extent you know that they do have
Speaker 8: rights under the law to prove that, you know, either
Speaker 8: they were here or they're not here legally in that
Speaker 8: kind of thing. And if they had taken that tone,
Speaker 8: I think we would not be seeing anything like the
Speaker 8: level of violence that we're seeing in all these videos
Speaker 8: right now. But instead they chose, you know, to turn
Speaker 8: this into kind of an inflammatory situation.
Speaker 2: Now everything is a political ploy. It seems everything is
Speaker 2: political performance theater, and a lot of that acting is
Speaker 2: coming on behalf of the Left. Todd sheets on Wealth
Speaker 2: and Progress. You can read it in the sub stack
Speaker 2: his latest piece, Trump versus the Blue Cities. Thank you
Speaker 2: so much for your time tonight, Dodd. I really appreciate you.
Speaker 6: Thank you so much.
Speaker 5: Gary.
Speaker 1: I hope you have a great evening and the rest
Speaker 1: of the.
Speaker 6: Week as well.
Speaker 2: Hey you too. Michael Letts from invest USA on the
Speaker 2: continuing attacks on ice and law enforcement. Next, as I promised,
Speaker 2: my friend from invest USA, a multi year veteran of
Speaker 2: law enforcement, Michael Lets rejoins us on the Nightcap. Mike,
Speaker 2: there's a bunch going on, so let's hit the ground running.
Speaker 2: The US Ford has just been deployed to the Caribbean.
Speaker 2: You're telling me it looks like we're going into Venezuela.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's true. To give you a quick background, remember
Speaker 5: the president that said we were not only going to
Speaker 5: seal the borders and keep grows from coming in, but
Speaker 5: if they continue to try to come in, which you
Speaker 5: remember they decided to go on the southern borders to
Speaker 5: go up to Canada and try to work their way down,
Speaker 5: that we would just find where the problem was at
Speaker 5: and eliminated at its very source. How are we doing that.
Speaker 5: We've got two destroyers off the California coast to make
Speaker 5: sure any come on home for the Pacific side two
Speaker 5: months ago gets inted. We've got two yep in addicted,
Speaker 5: we've got two in the Gulf of America to do
Speaker 5: the same thing. And now we've sent we had four ships,
Speaker 5: two cruises, two destroyers off the coast of Venezuela. Now
Speaker 5: we've sent an entire battle group, the one of our
Speaker 5: most advanced battle groups, the aircraft carrier, the USS Ford
Speaker 5: and all of its support supply ships off there. We
Speaker 5: have sunk now twelve hips off the Venezuelan coasts that
Speaker 5: we're laden with drugs, fel other drugs ordinances and turn
Speaker 5: thet gang members. We've put twelve them to the bottom.
Speaker 5: People get upset, you know, give them them due process. Folks, though,
Speaker 5: and quickly reminds you every one of these cases we
Speaker 5: fired one across the bottle. You think for a minute
Speaker 5: they wanted to stop and let us board and seize
Speaker 5: their cargoing and the rest their people. They thought they
Speaker 5: would try to challenge the US Navy. Big mistakes after that,
Speaker 5: we now have ten thousand troops. It's the support ships
Speaker 5: off the coast of Venezuela. We have all of our
Speaker 5: special Forces, special off teams and our assertion aircraft there.
Speaker 5: We very clearly send a message, if you will not
Speaker 5: keep your drugs out of our jurisdiction and trying to
Speaker 5: bring in America, we will eliminate it. It appears that
Speaker 5: their answer is very clear. They're wanted to test American strength.
Speaker 5: Colombia is joining them, so this may be more than
Speaker 5: just Venezuela. We are prepared to move in. Now we
Speaker 5: have all the necessary elements, support elements in the area.
Speaker 5: People get upset. They're calling me saying we're going to war.
Speaker 5: No no, no, no, no, no. War requires a declaration of
Speaker 5: the Congress. And don't be hollering at me saying what
Speaker 5: are you doing. This is not the first time I've
Speaker 5: done this. We did it in Panama, we did it
Speaker 5: in Granada. Whenever there is a national or threat to
Speaker 5: national security, we can go in and eliminate that threat.
Speaker 5: Going to war means that we're going to go in
Speaker 5: top of the government occupied the place, et cetera, et cetera.
Speaker 5: We're not going to do any of that. I tell people,
Speaker 5: give us forty eight hours and we'll be gone. We're
Speaker 5: going to go in. We're not going to go in
Speaker 5: and kick their little teapots over. We're going to eliminate it.
Speaker 5: There will be no more people dealing drugs in Columbia
Speaker 5: are in Venezuela. We're going to eliminate the issue. Regardless
Speaker 5: of what it takes keep Americans protected and free us
Speaker 5: how many hundreds of thousands of American children have been
Speaker 5: killed because of them, We're going to do the same
Speaker 5: thing in southern Mexico. Why is that the Southern cartels
Speaker 5: have now placed a ten thousand dollars bounty on the
Speaker 5: head of every ice and every law enforcement agent killed
Speaker 5: in the United States. We're not going to stand by
Speaker 5: and tolerate that. Remember they did that in Northern Mexico.
Speaker 5: They said that initially when we shut them waders down
Speaker 5: back in February, they said, you know, in retaliation, if
Speaker 5: Americans come across here, going to harm them. We didn't
Speaker 5: do anything. We warned people not to go. We were
Speaker 5: nine college students went across anyway. They were captured, tortured
Speaker 5: and murdered, and we said, okay, you won't play that game.
Speaker 5: We're not going to advertise it, but that would be
Speaker 5: the last thing you do. You know, as you haven't
Speaker 5: heard another word out of the Northern cartels and the
Speaker 5: reason why they don't exist, well, in the case special.
Speaker 2: For Michael and in the case of in the case
Speaker 2: of Venezuela, we know Maduro is directing these cartels and
Speaker 2: and they control that country. And Trendea Ragua has already
Speaker 2: been designated as a terrorist group by our president, by
Speaker 2: our government. And if Maduro is the head of Trendea Ragua,
Speaker 2: then he's an international terrorist too. And if it's just
Speaker 2: because he's in charge of a country illegitimately like Venezuela,
Speaker 2: doesn't mean that he's beyond our reach.
Speaker 5: Right, well, our exactly, and our intel can tells us
Speaker 5: that if we go in and take out the forces,
Speaker 5: the drug forces, the maderra will last more than an
Speaker 5: hour and they'll be a replace. So it was governed
Speaker 5: by his old people.
Speaker 6: Yeah, last why we'll over throw him very quickly.
Speaker 2: Well, I found out last night, Michael Letz, that there's
Speaker 2: another angle besides the importation of fatal fentanyl and other
Speaker 2: drugs from these countries coming into our country and killing
Speaker 2: hundreds of thousands of American citizens. But there is also
Speaker 2: a plot which is not broadcast on mainstream media at all,
Speaker 2: by Maduro in Venezuela and Brazil to take over the
Speaker 2: country of Guyana, which is the northern neighborhood of Venezuela,
Speaker 2: because they have one of the richest supplies of oil
Speaker 2: in South America that's just been discovered. So they're trying
Speaker 2: to corner the oil market. And it does behoove our
Speaker 2: country to protect American interests that way, So it is.
Speaker 2: It is a multi pronged, multi layered reason for US
Speaker 2: to be watching very closely and stopping Venezuela and Brazil
Speaker 2: in any other country in South America that wants to
Speaker 2: threaten US interests.
Speaker 5: You're exactly right, Ken, and they have you know, the
Speaker 5: President maderra I sent an urgent message Trump, what can
Speaker 5: we do to rectify this situation? And the response from
Speaker 5: Trump has been very poignant. You had your chance, yeah,
Speaker 5: and you have refused to protect American lives and interests,
Speaker 5: and we will take action accordingly.
Speaker 6: In Illinois, we are poised and ready to go.
Speaker 2: In Illinois, they are trying to They're trying to bring
Speaker 2: criminal charges or make criminal charges against Ice for merely
Speaker 2: upholding the law of Michael. That's another angle of this conversation.
Speaker 2: We don't have a whole lot of time to cover that,
Speaker 2: but yeah, the.
Speaker 5: Same thing is happening in Appointed Gavin Newsom, the speaker,
Speaker 5: former Speaker of ALS, Nancy Pelosi are urging dating local
Speaker 5: law enforcement to arrest HEUS members. I will remind them
Speaker 5: that is an obstruction of justice and it will not work.
Speaker 5: The first of all, they're going to get hurt. Second
Speaker 5: of all, we're going to go after people like Gavin
Speaker 5: Newsom and the former speaking all and charge them with
Speaker 5: the social justice and they will face penalties for their actions.
Speaker 2: Remember, if you want to help local law enforcement and
Speaker 2: law enforcement nationwide, one of the groups that's doing their
Speaker 2: best to protect them is invest USA, of which Michael
Speaker 2: Lets is the president. It's great to have you on tonight, Michael.
Speaker 2: I appreciate your time. Any last words you'd like to
Speaker 2: leave us with this evening.
Speaker 5: It's great that we've got a president that realizes that
Speaker 5: America is back to be respected. God bless you, God
Speaker 5: bless America. Keep up the good work united.
Speaker 6: We stand.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Amen, Thank you. Michael from invest USA. Will
Speaker 2: close out with the fur ball right afternoons, which is
Speaker 2: next on seven hundred W l W. They always say
Speaker 2: finished with a flourished and I can't finish any more
Speaker 2: flourished than with the fur ball. And that's all the
Speaker 2: f's I have for right now. But we're early on
Speaker 2: in the conversation. Andy Furman joins us on the night
Speaker 2: Cap on this Tuesday evening. Good evening, mister Furman, how are.
Speaker 1: You good evening?
Speaker 3: How are you to Tuesdays roll around so quickly?
Speaker 1: I can't wait. It's really good. It's good to talk
Speaker 1: to you.
Speaker 2: I love I love the well, I love the Jewish
Speaker 2: vampire accident. That was really good, good evening. So I
Speaker 2: told you that a week ago, last Tuesday night, as
Speaker 2: I was going to bed, I lost my balance. I
Speaker 2: was not drunk, not inebriated, not any any way, compromise
Speaker 2: that I can tell you. I lost my balance and
Speaker 2: I fell in the bedroom. I was like two steps
Speaker 2: from me on the floor, two steps from being in
Speaker 2: the bed with my wife who was fast asleep, and
Speaker 2: I fell and I fell right on her violin case.
Speaker 2: It was sitting on the floor of the bedroom, which
Speaker 2: is very hard, and I think, I I'm almost sure
Speaker 2: I broke ribs. I never went to the hospital.
Speaker 1: Silly thing to do.
Speaker 3: What are you trying to do, like gymnastic tricks or
Speaker 3: something like that. Why would you do that?
Speaker 2: It wasn't planned, It wasn't anything I I asked for.
Speaker 2: It just happened.
Speaker 6: And you're sipathy.
Speaker 1: Is that why you're telling me this? Your suggested spathy?
Speaker 3: I mean, are you trying to tell the audience right now, like, Wow,
Speaker 3: I showed up for you for this show because I'm
Speaker 3: in pain. No one cares, really, no one cares.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean I care.
Speaker 1: I cared for you because I know it must you.
Speaker 2: Say no one, So I figured you were including yourself
Speaker 2: in the no one about the caring part.
Speaker 3: But you know what, we got business to take care of.
Speaker 3: We could talk about that later.
Speaker 1: This important.
Speaker 2: Do you promise this? You promised that we can talk
Speaker 2: about it later, maybe even tonight, after we get through
Speaker 2: the important stuff. Okay, yes, Well what's so important? What's
Speaker 2: so important?
Speaker 1: What's more important?
Speaker 3: I thought after the Bengals, After the Bengals lost. I mean,
Speaker 3: you know, I love the media, not the national media
Speaker 3: as much as the local media, because the national media
Speaker 3: always beats the local media on stories. Why I don't know,
Speaker 3: But maybe that's because maybe that's a certain person delegated
Speaker 3: to that topic and they to get the story. I mean,
Speaker 3: that's probably the reason why.
Speaker 6: I don't know.
Speaker 2: They got they got bigger, they got bigger budgets, probably.
Speaker 3: Yeah, probably so the biggest standard. I mean, there were
Speaker 3: scientists certain things, but the local media all of a sudden, now,
Speaker 3: woe is me.
Speaker 1: The Bengals are losing.
Speaker 3: They they don't care, they don't care. Let me tell
Speaker 3: you something. I really this is like a trade secret.
Speaker 3: Those that do talk radio in the world of sports
Speaker 3: are happy when the local team loses because that's when
Speaker 3: the phones line up. That's when this controversy, that's when
Speaker 3: you could yell and scream and say fire the coach
Speaker 3: to do the bullet.
Speaker 1: I'm telling you that's the way it is. They don't care.
Speaker 1: They put on the facade like, oh, you know, they.
Speaker 3: Need to get defense, they need to get better this.
Speaker 3: They know you're happy that they lose. First of there's
Speaker 3: there's nothing gains.
Speaker 1: When they win. Think about that.
Speaker 3: Does a local talk show hosts gain anything when they win?
Speaker 1: I don't think so. You care about one thing and
Speaker 1: one thing all you know.
Speaker 3: What that is your ratings, your revenue, and your show.
Speaker 3: And your show is better when they lose. I promise you.
Speaker 3: That's the name of the game.
Speaker 1: Now, I know you may not agree, but you know
Speaker 1: it's true.
Speaker 2: Well, I don't know if it's better when your local
Speaker 2: team loses.
Speaker 3: But you don't want to better for a talk show host,
Speaker 3: not for the city, not for the team.
Speaker 2: You don't want to you're not telling me that. After
Speaker 2: the nineteen ninety victory by the Reds and the sweep
Speaker 2: and the World Series. The talk radio wasn't booming. Then
Speaker 2: you're not telling me that you have to.
Speaker 5: Win it all.
Speaker 1: No, you have to win it all or be a loser.
Speaker 3: Like this year with the Reds mediocre. It was like,
Speaker 3: you know, teasing, they're teasing me.
Speaker 1: It seems to me, and that's it.
Speaker 2: It seems to me like the like when the Bengals
Speaker 2: last went to the Super Bowl in Joe Burrow's second year. Uh,
Speaker 2: it's big it all they did, they did. They did
Speaker 2: lose ultimately in the Super Bowl to the Rams.
Speaker 1: But they made the super Bowl.
Speaker 2: But but yeah, talk radio, talk radio electric after the
Speaker 2: Bengels had that success. Andy, So, I don't know if
Speaker 2: you're telling me the truth or not.
Speaker 3: On a week two week basis, the local talk show
Speaker 3: hosts host love when they lose because the phone lines
Speaker 3: light up. Fire this guy, get rid of this guy.
Speaker 3: This guy's a bump. Really, you know all all preseason,
Speaker 3: you gotta sign Jamar Chase, you gotta sign t Higgins.
Speaker 3: Now I'm hearing the talk shows. Now they had too
Speaker 3: much money on the offensive side of the ball. See
Speaker 3: that's what it's all about.
Speaker 1: Controversy. There's no happy medium really.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, I always say, and you use that
Speaker 2: term happy medium. If anyone could really truly foresee the future,
Speaker 2: they'd be miserable. There are no such things as happy
Speaker 2: mediums because they know how bleak the future really is.
Speaker 5: Andy, It's not bleaked.
Speaker 1: The future is great. Everybody looks forward to the studio.
Speaker 2: The future, the future, the future, and this Bengals team
Speaker 2: is bleak. And I'm not trying to agree. I'm not
Speaker 2: trying to harvest any kind of hostility or animosity or
Speaker 2: generate phone calls because you're the only phone call that
Speaker 2: matters right now.
Speaker 3: Well, I will tell you this because in the car
Speaker 3: yesterday and I heard a phone call saying that this
Speaker 3: Bengals team will never win as long as Mike Brown
Speaker 3: owns a team. And I was almost tempted to pull
Speaker 3: over the side of the road and call in.
Speaker 1: Really, because what does.
Speaker 3: Mike Brown have to do with missing tackles? I don't
Speaker 3: understand why he gets such a bad rock. I know
Speaker 3: he's the owner of the team, but come on, get
Speaker 3: off his back. I mean, I think he's a wonderful man,
Speaker 3: and God bless him, he's ninety years old. I would
Speaker 3: love to see him get a Super Bowl ring, oh
Speaker 3: before his time is up. And now I'm very cole
Speaker 3: to say he doesn't want to win. What moron owning
Speaker 3: a team does not want to win?
Speaker 1: Tell me about that. Really, if you want a team
Speaker 1: you don't want to win, that he.
Speaker 3: May not know that there's wo to win, and then
Speaker 3: but he certainly wants to win.
Speaker 2: And then there's the other side of the issue. And
Speaker 2: people might argue this, Andy, in response to what you
Speaker 2: just said, maybe Mike Brown wins every season. Mike Brown
Speaker 2: and the Brown family wins every season. And you can
Speaker 2: make that argument because they are multimillionaires. They don't lose money,
Speaker 2: and in fact, they they absolutely cash in Bengals.
Speaker 3: With the owner of the Carolina Panthers too.
Speaker 1: You can say that about everyone because.
Speaker 3: I will say this, bake, keep on losing, they will
Speaker 3: take a big hit.
Speaker 1: Is for a season tickets to concern and you remember
Speaker 1: several years ago I do that was like thirty thousand
Speaker 1: a game.
Speaker 5: There.
Speaker 1: It is revenue right there that would be lost.
Speaker 2: I agree, but I'm just saying that from a business standpoint,
Speaker 2: the Brown family wins, including Mike, every single game because
Speaker 2: they're in the black.
Speaker 3: He played football at Dartmouth. He wants to win. He's
Speaker 3: in it to win.
Speaker 1: Believe it. What they want to win?
Speaker 2: Well, hold on, hold on, hold on. He played football
Speaker 2: at Dartmouth. He wants to win. When was Dartmouth's last
Speaker 2: winning season?
Speaker 3: Andy, I have no idea, but you know he played
Speaker 3: college football. Reggie Williams played at Dartmouth. A lot of
Speaker 3: players people play at Dartmouth. I mean, what's wrong with Dartmouth?
Speaker 3: I mean, really, I don't know.
Speaker 2: People have been asking that question for years when it
Speaker 2: comes to Dartmouth football. What's wrong with Dartmouth. I'm looking
Speaker 2: it up right now. Dartmouthshire, I know where it is. Yeah,
Speaker 2: they're not for football for academics. Listen, let me tell
Speaker 2: you about Dartmouth. Dartmouth is second in the IVY League,
Speaker 2: the Big Green Football. You know they still have to play.
Speaker 2: They have to play Harvard coming up this coming Saturday,
Speaker 2: then Princeton, then Cornell and then Brown. We're back to
Speaker 2: the Brown family.
Speaker 1: I think that the worst is over.
Speaker 2: So there's their.
Speaker 3: Second and so I guess if you play.
Speaker 2: If you play football at Dartmouth, you do care about winning.
Speaker 2: You were right. Mike Brown played football at Dartmouth, and
Speaker 2: he cares about.
Speaker 3: Obviously you never played sports or never I did play.
Speaker 1: You put the uniform on.
Speaker 6: I don't care who you are.
Speaker 3: You could play stickball in the park, Okay, you could
Speaker 3: as lom as you put a uniform on your competing
Speaker 3: in the game you want to win.
Speaker 2: Did you have Did you have stickball uniforms back in Brooklyn, Andy?
Speaker 1: No, we just blow t shirts.
Speaker 2: So you just used their uniform reference. Let me tell
Speaker 2: you something. I proudly put on the uniform of the
Speaker 2: Knox DAWs Red Raiders in eight to ninth grade playing basketball.
Speaker 1: I just well, if you lost, you felt a little
Speaker 1: down for me.
Speaker 2: I just I just wanted to get in the game.
Speaker 2: Forget forget about wanting to win. You know, if we
Speaker 2: were being blown out or we're blowing someone out on
Speaker 2: either side, I usually got in. And there was one
Speaker 2: game against Mount Juliet this is in Tennessee, ninth grade basketball,
Speaker 2: where me and a guy named Tommy Gwill both got
Speaker 2: in the game. The team was down by five points
Speaker 2: as we entered the fourth quarter. The coach was furious
Speaker 2: with the starters. He put us in and we brought
Speaker 2: the team back and we won the game because of
Speaker 2: our contribution to do.
Speaker 1: I'm just curious, what did you have to do with it?
Speaker 1: I mean we what was your game.
Speaker 2: I had? I had two steals, one a stolen pass
Speaker 2: and one uh stolen on the dribble. And I had
Speaker 2: a fast break lay up. I had a twenty foot
Speaker 2: shot that went straight through, and I had a mid
Speaker 2: range jumper just below the free throw line in the
Speaker 2: middle of traffic. I scored six points in the fourth quarter.
Speaker 2: This is in junior high basketball. Andy had two spins
Speaker 2: and two rebounds. What do you mean what happened? I
Speaker 2: was a super sill.
Speaker 3: You peak, You peaked too early in life, That's what happened.
Speaker 1: No, I mean I was I guess right.
Speaker 2: I was five foot I was five foot ten, and
Speaker 2: I had white Man's disease. I mean I could touch
Speaker 2: the rim, but that was about it. But I did
Speaker 2: care about winning. You're right, you put on the uniform.
Speaker 2: You care about winning.
Speaker 6: No doubt, no doubt.
Speaker 3: But he here's the thing now, losing and the Bangalos
Speaker 3: are losing, and there was a terrible loss that may
Speaker 3: have been the worst loss in Zach Zack Taylor's career.
Speaker 1: Here in sustain the game away right. So, but I
Speaker 1: will tell you this.
Speaker 3: So yesterday I believe it was I had a.
Speaker 1: Player's only meeting.
Speaker 3: So what is that you know that? You know what
Speaker 3: that does? I mean the average Joseph that's good. The
Speaker 3: players can't having him. No, it's a finger pointing where
Speaker 3: the locker room is beginning to crack.
Speaker 1: That's what it is.
Speaker 3: Finger pointing like you're not doing your job.
Speaker 1: Play better.
Speaker 3: Get Really, I would say this, and they talk about
Speaker 3: Duke tobh they talking about Zach Taylor.
Speaker 1: Here's the bottom line. You need it. We certainly talked
Speaker 1: about this, maybe even a week ago.
Speaker 6: You need a.
Speaker 3: Coach that's a leader that could get respect, that has
Speaker 3: played the game, that has been there, done that, and
Speaker 3: also puts a little bit of fear in these players.
Speaker 3: These guys love Zach Taylor. Zach Taylor is a wonderful man.
Speaker 3: He's a good husband, a good father, good family man,
Speaker 3: a very nice guy. Maybe he's too nice a guy
Speaker 3: to be a coach. That's the problem. Dan Campbell will
Speaker 3: cheer you up and spit you out, and that's why
Speaker 3: Detroy Lions win.
Speaker 6: All Right.
Speaker 3: You look at these coaches that have an attitude, that
Speaker 3: are tough, that give you that stare.
Speaker 1: The media are afraid of these guys.
Speaker 3: Really the postgame news conferences, they're friend. Ask Dan Campbell
Speaker 3: a question, really many'll know. But again and with Zach Taylor,
Speaker 3: it's like it's different and they need to get a
Speaker 3: coach who could bring discipline. These guys aren't bad. They're
Speaker 3: not bad football players in the National Football And you
Speaker 3: know this as well as anybody else. There's not that
Speaker 3: much of a difference between Team A.
Speaker 1: And T B with talent.
Speaker 3: If you make the NFL, you're pretty good, but you
Speaker 3: need to be developed by a coach who could bring
Speaker 3: the best out of you.
Speaker 2: Well under the under the guys of you gotta you
Speaker 2: gotta be a tough as nuts kind of guy to
Speaker 2: be a successful NFL coach. What about Andy Reid? He
Speaker 2: doesn't seem like he's that that bearish on the sideline.
Speaker 3: Respect you're because Marv Levy was not tough.
Speaker 1: I don't really, you know.
Speaker 3: So there are guys that's successful, but it's the personality.
Speaker 3: They're good leaders and players believe in them. Yeah, and
Speaker 3: they'll get them.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: I am sure that players could come to me things
Speaker 3: late with the Bengals have nothing to said, really, I
Speaker 3: mean I I've talked to players that played for Bill Belichick.
Speaker 3: They said they would sit there watch ten minutes earlier
Speaker 3: just for fear of being.
Speaker 1: Late to a meeting. That's what they do.
Speaker 3: I don't think that happens. I might be wrong, but
Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure I'm not.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I mean Zach Taylor's coaching expertise has been
Speaker 2: questioned all along as play calling is always questions, and
Speaker 2: it certainly was and it seems like there were no
Speaker 2: tea there's no teeth to that defense once again on
Speaker 2: Sunday against the team that had not won a game
Speaker 2: yet in the NFL.
Speaker 3: And you know, the running game was was rolling, yes,
Speaker 3: and they stop the second half?
Speaker 6: They didn't.
Speaker 2: They didn't run the ball in the second half.
Speaker 3: Why he had three three consecutive pass plays at the
Speaker 3: end of the fourth quarter.
Speaker 1: Why the running.
Speaker 3: Game was was dominant, really rolling in the one game
Speaker 3: and he changed it. I sometimes think the game is
Speaker 3: too with Zach Taylor. And as they say, he's a
Speaker 3: nice man, but he hasn't got the.
Speaker 1: Experience under his belt.
Speaker 3: Really, you know, you're talking about your guy in Kansas City,
Speaker 3: Andy Reid. He had the experience because for years he
Speaker 3: was in Philadelphia, right right, it comes to Kansas City.
Speaker 3: What experience you have to have experience? Really, you're a
Speaker 3: radio guy, you got like thirty forty years experience.
Speaker 1: You just can't throw a kid behind the microphones.
Speaker 3: They do it, they have the talent, but you got
Speaker 3: to be polished, you got to be led. Forrest Gregg
Speaker 3: was a great coach here. It was tough. He knew
Speaker 3: the football game. You look at the coaches that have
Speaker 3: coached the Cincinnati Bengals, how many of them have had
Speaker 3: NFL experience and the ones that have not, most of
Speaker 3: them failed. Dave Schuler came here on his name, never
Speaker 3: coached before, was horrendous, and Bet Taylor's following the same round.
Speaker 2: I have to agree with you on the Dame Shula
Speaker 2: comparison to Zach Taylor and Dave Shula was the reason
Speaker 2: that was hard for me when I moved here to
Speaker 2: get into watching the Bengals play because it was so woeful.
Speaker 2: And you know what, he turned to a guy who
Speaker 2: could have been, uh, you know, a serviceable NFL quarterback
Speaker 2: into a laughingstock. And David Klinger with the fact that
Speaker 2: he just and the fact that people hired Dave Shula
Speaker 2: after his head coaching Stinton Cincinnati to be an offensive coordinator.
Speaker 2: Offensive coach just really makes me laugh.
Speaker 3: Dave football game when Gary Reasons pulled a cap over
Speaker 3: Dave Shula's head, it was no respect. It's all about respect. Well,
Speaker 3: these coaches all know exes and homes. There's no doubt
Speaker 3: in my mind they know the game of football.
Speaker 1: Really, they don't want football, you know, in a symbol
Speaker 1: that that I could learn in my lifetime. But that's
Speaker 1: their job.
Speaker 3: It's not my job. It's their job, and they know it.
Speaker 3: It's how you teach the game. That's how it's that's
Speaker 3: how it's that. That's how you become one better than
Speaker 3: the other, how he becomes successful, how you teach the
Speaker 3: game to others, and it is they could listen to you.
Speaker 3: This team only meeting, I think it's dangerous.
Speaker 1: I really do.
Speaker 3: I really closed door players only meeting. I think it's
Speaker 3: a dangerous thing. I really do.
Speaker 2: You mentioned the close knit nature of the fraternity of
Speaker 2: NFL head coaches. Maybe the whole thing was designed to
Speaker 2: save Aaron Glenn's job because Zach Taylor knew that Mike
Speaker 2: Brown will continue to pay him whether they win or not.
Speaker 2: And and Aaron Glenn came in with the Jets and
Speaker 2: he hadn't won a game let yet this year, and
Speaker 2: there's so much frustration in New York over the Jets
Speaker 2: not being able to scratch. And maybe maybe Zach Taylor
Speaker 2: was just doing a solid for Aaron Glenn with the coaching.
Speaker 1: Tell you this, but if you watch that Jet team there,
Speaker 1: you got to give the Aaron Glenn a lot of
Speaker 1: credit to us. I didn't see that team quit. No,
Speaker 1: I didn't see the team quit on him.
Speaker 2: Never.
Speaker 3: They played hard, and I don't think they're a bad team.
Speaker 3: They lost several games, but just a few points but
Speaker 3: less than a touchdown, So.
Speaker 1: I think they're really good.
Speaker 5: Now.
Speaker 3: I think they got that quarterback. Now, that's the key
Speaker 3: to Tyron Taylor. And I knew and I'm not saying
Speaker 3: this because game is over now, but I knew that
Speaker 3: they'd be more dangerous without Tyron Taylor because Taylor.
Speaker 1: Cannot run the football. You know.
Speaker 3: They ran the football on the center. That's what they
Speaker 3: did against the Bengals and it worked. So I think
Speaker 3: they found themselves a quarterback. And maybe maybe it was
Speaker 3: the motivation by their owner Woody Johnson who basically said,
Speaker 3: I hope we could get a quarterback here that a
Speaker 3: cold complete a pass that may have been the motivation
Speaker 3: needed for him to go out there and play and
Speaker 3: beat the Bengals. Could you believe that that game on Sunday,
Speaker 3: the only time that Jets led was in the game
Speaker 3: was over Yeah, the only time they led that.
Speaker 1: I know.
Speaker 2: How about this? How about all of the all the
Speaker 2: hoopla over Hendricks Henderson before the season. You know, Willie
Speaker 2: sign is he going to sit out the whole miss
Speaker 2: man now?
Speaker 1: And and.
Speaker 2: All of this. He was so important to be on
Speaker 2: that defense to give the Bengals a bona fide pass rusher.
Speaker 2: And after all of that hand rigging and all the
Speaker 2: money that the Bengals had to pay to keep him,
Speaker 2: and they'd probably franchise tag him after this season. Uh
Speaker 2: and and he's he's not even a factor because he's
Speaker 2: not in the game. He's hurt.
Speaker 3: Well, he got a cheap shot, he really did. If
Speaker 3: you watch the game, he got hit. It was a
Speaker 3: chief shot.
Speaker 2: They should have called I would agree, you know, but
Speaker 2: it's just funny work out.
Speaker 3: You know, he's not going to play pie, not going
Speaker 3: to play this week against the Bears, and I tell
Speaker 3: you right now, I mean if the Bears win, the
Speaker 3: Bears win Sunday, and you know, I would think the
Speaker 3: Bears probably.
Speaker 1: Would be favored, you know, in this game.
Speaker 3: I really think even though it's a home game, I
Speaker 3: know you can just wash away the season.
Speaker 5: I have.
Speaker 2: Really, I have no, no, no reason to think of
Speaker 2: why the Bears wouldn't be favored. Andy.
Speaker 1: Really, They've got a great coach.
Speaker 3: He learned under the Detroit Lion system, under Dan Campbell system.
Speaker 3: He's a good head coach. He turned around and the
Speaker 3: Bears have a running game, which they didn't have in
Speaker 3: the past. And when you have a running game against
Speaker 3: the Bengal defense that can't stop the run, bingo, what
Speaker 3: does that mean?
Speaker 2: Maybe maybe Mike Brown should be at that players only
Speaker 2: meeting to two to bring the winning spirit of Dartmouth
Speaker 2: football to his Cincinnati Bengals series.
Speaker 6: Listen to you.
Speaker 3: You know, there's one guy I feel so good about today,
Speaker 3: and that's lou Anaumo, the Indianapolis Colts defensive coordinator. Indianapolis
Speaker 3: has the best record in the National Football League seven
Speaker 3: to one, and they shouldn't know, but they had that
Speaker 3: one clown who had the ball over his head and
Speaker 3: he lost it before he crossed the goal line and
Speaker 3: he fumbled it and they lost that ball game. But
Speaker 3: they should be eight and oh there's seven to one
Speaker 3: and Louis get doing the job. So you know he
Speaker 3: was a scapegoat, and now we know that he was
Speaker 3: not the scapegoat. And the funny thing is they bring
Speaker 3: him the defensive coordinator from Notre Dame. Right, he's here now,
Speaker 3: Golden Al, Golden and now his name has been surface
Speaker 3: and rumored to be the next coach at Penn State.
Speaker 2: Well, maybe maybe the Bengals should bring me into a
Speaker 2: player's only meeting and I can speak is the super
Speaker 2: sub of the Noxtars Red Raiders in ninth grade when
Speaker 2: I led the team as a super sub to victory
Speaker 2: on the road in Mount Juliet, Tennessee. Andy, we've got
Speaker 2: to go.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, all right, my friend, have a good week.
Speaker 1: I'll see you next week.
Speaker 2: I'm recovering. I have broken ribs next week. Nobody cares.
Speaker 2: Andy tells me, I do care.
Speaker 3: I care now, I care because I've finished.
Speaker 2: Now I can thank you. Goodbye. We'll close next