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Speaker 1: Cincinnati's ESPN fifteen thirty.

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Speaker 2: All right, it's up four minutes after three. This is

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Speaker 2: ESPN fifteen thirty. I'm Moleggor, thank you for listening. We

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Speaker 2: are back in studio after a twenty one week run

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Speaker 2: at Oakley Greens and hope to be back there later

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Speaker 2: on in twenty twenty six. We're back in studio for

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Speaker 2: what feels like the first time in forever. So happy

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Speaker 2: to have you with us. I have not had time

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Speaker 2: to do a show preview video, but when I do,

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Speaker 2: it'll be a service of share Facts Credit Union.

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Speaker 3: There is a lot going on.

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Speaker 2: Our friend Paul Danner Junior from The Athletic and the

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Speaker 2: Growler Podcast is here in studio with me. There are

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Speaker 2: only a few things to talk about, not the least

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Speaker 2: of which is Nick Lachey's reaction to what the Bengals

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Speaker 2: have decided to do in relation to their front office

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Speaker 2: and head coach.

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Speaker 3: Don't start it off that way, mo, don't do this.

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Speaker 3: Don't don't.

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Speaker 4: This is already gonna be a long, a long hour, okay,

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Speaker 4: with a lot of ins and outs and a lot

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Speaker 4: of emotions.

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Speaker 3: Don't make me start off on the Nick lache rage. Okay,

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Speaker 3: I'm not. I don't want to. I don't want to.

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Speaker 3: You want you want other people's rage, because I've I've

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Speaker 3: got it.

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Speaker 4: I'm fine with whoever the rage comes from. Actually, at

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Speaker 4: this point, I know there's plenty of it. That's totally fine.

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Speaker 3: Uh, it's awesome to have you here. It's good to

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Speaker 3: be here. A lot going on. Oh I do miss

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Speaker 3: Oakly Greens. I do miss Oakly Green. It was very nice.

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Speaker 4: It was three minutes from my house. I was very

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Speaker 4: appreciative of getting to go there all year long. And

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Speaker 4: I do love the studio. It was nice to be here.

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Speaker 2: There have food here, there we do it. I don't

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Speaker 2: know who the food is from, but I'm told it's

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Speaker 2: smelled good. I'm told it's great. Yeah, I don't know.

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Speaker 3: Well, well, let's get started. Go ahead.

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Speaker 2: You have you've written a piece that has stirred the masses. No,

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Speaker 2: it's really popular. It is really popular. I want folks

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Speaker 2: to read it. The headline though, reads Bengals keeping Zach

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Speaker 2: Taylor Duke Tobin is right move, even if it's maddening

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Speaker 2: for fans.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think that.

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Speaker 3: The premise I would.

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Speaker 4: I think it's important that people read the story yes,

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Speaker 4: I don't think it's what a lot of people think

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Speaker 4: that it is. It is about the unique nature of

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Speaker 4: it up like you would at really thirty one other

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Speaker 4: places in the NFL. I've had a lot of people

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Speaker 4: that I've seen. I did initially put the AirPods in

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Speaker 4: I'm really bad at resolutions. I'm trying to have more

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Speaker 4: clarity and calm in the new year. And that was

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Speaker 4: probably the wrong take to take on this story if

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Speaker 4: I was going to do that. But I did go

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Speaker 4: in and see a lot so of what people are

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Speaker 4: very passionately understandably saying. This is not about that people's

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Speaker 4: anger and frustration is misplaced or wrong, or that they

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Speaker 4: absolutely would make sense, and it's a very valid that

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Speaker 4: is not really the point of this.

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Speaker 3: People don't know Jacksonville. Look, Jacksonville, just.

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Speaker 4: Did Lee Cohen the Young GM change. If you would

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Speaker 4: like me to put a picture of Shad Khan next

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Speaker 3: So.

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Speaker 4: It's so much about the circumstance of Cincinnati, and there

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Speaker 4: more importantly, the absolute simplicity of this offseason. Don't make

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Speaker 4: because that is when you run into problems. We've seen

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Speaker 4: So the idea of adding a bunch of complexity over

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Speaker 4: really to me. I think where so much of this

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Speaker 4: get all of that?

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 4: Okay, that's where it's It's not saying that they're not there,

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Speaker 4: sixty five days might not feel very different, or that

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Speaker 4: do it last year, right like that. It's this point

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Speaker 2: So this was published this morning and then you had

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Speaker 2: to go into a bunker. Yeah, it just felt better

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Speaker 2: to do that, I understand. And you turned off your

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Speaker 2: I would do is just to give you maybe a

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Speaker 2: little bit of your your audience feedback, because the beauty

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Speaker 2: of the Athletic is you're allowed to comment, right. It's

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Speaker 2: a subscription based website, and so oftentimes there are some

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Speaker 2: very good and meaningful discussions that folks have in the comments. Actually,

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Speaker 2: and I thought, what I would do is read, over

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Speaker 2: comments to you with this one by R P P. Paul,

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Speaker 2: I love you. Your content is top notch, but this

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Speaker 2: is one of the hottest pieces of garbage you have

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Speaker 2: ever written. Not a lot of context there, Well, there's more.

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Speaker 2: I mean I could read the whole paragraph. Okay, it's

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Speaker 2: a good start. Yeah, that's fine. Then he or she

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Speaker 2: They finish it with love you, Paul, great writers, huge fan.

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Speaker 2: Now go burn this article. I appreciate that. We just

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Speaker 2: Here's one from Michael R. Hope you get a nice

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Speaker 2: bonus from Mike Brown for carrying the water.

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Speaker 3: Wow.

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Speaker 4: See, I would Here's here's a point that I would make.

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Speaker 4: I feel like there is a lot of people being like, oh,

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Speaker 3: Straight out of Katie.

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Speaker 2: The premise of the thing is that they can't handle this, right, yes, yes.

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Speaker 2: The premise is that do not ask the owners here

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Speaker 3: It's actually the opposite of that, and I don't. I don't.

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Speaker 4: You know, it's fine, Like what however you want to

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Speaker 4: read it or view it or view me as I

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Speaker 4: was called propaganda Paul today.

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Speaker 3: That's fine. I don't.

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Speaker 4: I'll enjoy the nicknames, that's fine. The point is that

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Speaker 4: the inability to handle a very complex offseason is the

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Speaker 2: I said it to you on the Growlary today that

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Speaker 2: this premise, your premise is a damning indictment against this organization.

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Speaker 3: And I think that's how it should be taken. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I mean, that's kind of where it's coming from.

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Speaker 4: I in that I think that the people that are

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Speaker 4: that everyone listening knows is just different than everywhere else.

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Speaker 4: And I'm sure in that building they would say that

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Speaker 3: We can debate that, but it is different.

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Speaker 4: And so the people that know how to work with

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Speaker 3: That's sort of the point. Well, Ryan C. Would disagree.

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Speaker 2: Ryan writes, this is a very bad take from the

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Speaker 3: In the game. Hey, I'll take that. So you know,

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Speaker 3: at least people are acknowledging that they like you, they

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Speaker 2: Follow at least those are the ones that you chose.

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Speaker 2: They like your work. But there's there's a level I

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Speaker 2: I appreciate that we have Victor H who says, clearly

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Speaker 2: How before you hire him, before he moves into his office,

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Speaker 4: How do you not have deals done for Jamar Chase

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Speaker 4: Constantly in hold ins and holdouts? And this is it's

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Speaker 4: whatever that was. Yeah, that was a disconnect in the

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Speaker 2: Well, John Jay here would say, like others have said, Paul,

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Speaker 2: I really love your work and content. You're simply one

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Speaker 2: Cool, all right, So there there's a lot and I

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Speaker 2: But there's a lot to get to here. Read Paul's piece.

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Speaker 2: The Athletic dot Com a a comment. They have a comment. Yes,

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Speaker 3: I'll have a hard time having a more unpopular column

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Speaker 2: I don't know what you could do to top this one.

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Speaker 2: But you know what, Actually, there is a guy hang on,

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Speaker 2: So I like what this person said. This is Junior

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Speaker 2: I think Paul is wrong in his analysis. I'm glad

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Speaker 3: Thanks. I appreciate that.

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Speaker 4: I just it's the way I feel about it, knowing

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Speaker 4: In the fallout from that not happening is obviously significant

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Speaker 2: You know who's not going off the road, Cam Taylor

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Speaker 2: Cincinnati's most popular sports writer, Paul Danner Junior, is here

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Speaker 2: from the Athletic. I tweeted out the link a few

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Speaker 3: I like that one. I'll take that as a compliment.

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Speaker 3: So the word.

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Speaker 2: Complex is used a lot, right, like, let's not let's

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Speaker 2: Now that sounds easy, as we saw last offseason eh,

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Speaker 2: He's pretty good, he wants to be here. Just get

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Speaker 2: And so I guess what I wonder, maybe not so

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Speaker 3: Easy, but it's easy.

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Speaker 2: It's easy to understand what they have to do to

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Speaker 3: Well?

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Speaker 4: It usually comes back two negotiations gone wrong and communication right.

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Speaker 4: That's where a lot of this typically stems from. We've

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Speaker 4: You'd love to have that, probably something you do before

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Speaker 4: don't let this play out. Don't let these guys see

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Speaker 4: back down the Jesse Bates, the T Higgins, the all

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Speaker 4: It feels like right like, So it's an ability to

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Speaker 4: things make some of the contracts they do have work

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Speaker 4: want the quiet training camp, yes, and they just haven't

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Speaker 4: you can lose that in contentious negotiations with guys that

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Speaker 4: forward with on this defense, the ones they actually like

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Speaker 4: that are worth investing in. I wonder about that. I

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Speaker 4: don't know where that's going to go. We'll see, but

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Speaker 4: that's where I would start.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I.

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Speaker 2: Can't wait to see what they do to make my

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Speaker 2: the slow times are February, right, you're kind of post football,

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Speaker 3: I had no such issues the last couple of years.

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Speaker 2: Coming up with things to discuss has been very easy

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Speaker 2: because the Bengals have always put stuff on a platter

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Speaker 2: for me. The objective should be, let's make Mo work

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Speaker 3: Let's make him.

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Speaker 2: Sit down some days during the offseason and stare to

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Speaker 2: as it relates to the Bengals today. Now the Reds

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Speaker 2: The last few years, Duke Tobin, this front office, this ownership,

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Speaker 4: And you know, the other thing would be, what does

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Speaker 4: Joe Burrow said it. It's of paramount importance that that

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Speaker 4: That can be in doing other things, but like it

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Speaker 3: Congratulations to Jamar. Cam Taylor.

441
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Speaker 2: Brett is in jail for five days because of he

442
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Speaker 2: pled guilty directless driving and driving with a restricted license

443
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Speaker 2: in Hamilton County Municipal Court. He was immediately sentenced. He

444
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Speaker 2: was given two sets of tickets in twenty twenty five.

445
00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:10,159
Speaker 2: First came in June when Cincinnati police said he was

446
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Speaker 2: driving a twenty twenty two Dodge Charger recklessly with five

447
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Speaker 2: occupants in the car in four street. Second set of

448
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Speaker 2: tickets came in September. Police said he was street racing

449
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Speaker 2: on Joe Knocks Allway. He shouldn't do that Cam Taylor

450
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Speaker 2: Britt in jail for five days.

451
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Speaker 4: Have you ever have you ever done street racing beforem No, No, never,

452
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Speaker 4: never had an appeal to me. Never quite understood street racing.

453
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Speaker 2: If I was going to do street racing on Joe

454
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Speaker 2: knuxall Way between a whole slew of establishments and Great

455
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Speaker 2: American Ballpark is probably not where I would street race.

456
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Speaker 3: No. No, I feel like there's some places in the

457
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Speaker 3: country maybe.

458
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Speaker 2: When you decide to street race and you go, Okay,

459
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Speaker 2: we need a place where do you want to go?

460
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Speaker 3: Let's go over there by the Holy Grail? Like that's

461
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Speaker 3: what are we doing?

462
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Speaker 2: Sitting in Jail's what we're doing. College basketball. I don't

463
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Speaker 2: know if they'll show this game in jail. It's Uclst Virginia.

464
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Speaker 2: Game tips off at seven o'clock on seven hundred WLW.

465
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Speaker 2: Miami tries to stay undefeated as the RedHawks host Western Michigan.

466
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Speaker 2: Dayton takes on George Washington Hockey Tonight. The Blue Jackets

467
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Speaker 2: skate at San Jose. Paul Danner Junior from the Athletic

468
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Speaker 2: and the Growlar podcast is here. Duke Tobin's going to

469
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Speaker 2: talk on Friday. This is unprecedented as far as I'm concerned.

470
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Speaker 2: I can't recall a situation like this where the season

471
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Speaker 2: has ended and without him sitting up there with a

472
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Speaker 2: coach that has been hired. He has answered questions from

473
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Speaker 2: you guys, do you think this is Duke raising his

474
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Speaker 2: hand going okay, here I am or you do do

475
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Speaker 2: you think he is being pushed to the podium by

476
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Speaker 2: the people that he works for.

477
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Speaker 4: I think it's more push than stepping up. But I

478
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Speaker 4: think there's a recognition that it was necessary. I think,

479
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Speaker 4: you know, this time last year, we were very vocal, yeah,

480
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Speaker 4: and critical over the fact that they didn't do it

481
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Speaker 4: this time last year. I think that's kind of where

482
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Speaker 4: this started. It gained steam during the year when it

483
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Speaker 4: was like people want to hear from him over what's

484
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Speaker 4: gone on.

485
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Speaker 2: And let's be clear about this. It's not like you

486
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Speaker 2: guys haven't asked for him.

487
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Speaker 4: No, this has been going on, right, But I think

488
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Speaker 4: it's been the it's the timing, and it's because it's

489
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Speaker 4: not like he also hasn't talked. I think there's maybe

490
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Speaker 4: some misconception out there that like Duke doesn't know, like

491
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Speaker 4: it's just about the timing of it. Normally, this period

492
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Speaker 4: of discussion happens in Mobile, Alabama at the Senior Bowl

493
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Speaker 4: when you're three or four weeks removed and you know

494
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Speaker 4: you're not in all the media is here, right, there's

495
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Speaker 4: only so many people being stream live, right, there's none

496
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Speaker 4: of that stuff going on. It's it's it's much more

497
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Speaker 4: out of sight, you're outside of out of mind. You're

498
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Speaker 4: kind of a dead period in the schedule, and it's

499
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Speaker 4: easy in Mobile to you're you're flipping forward, you're looking forward.

500
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Speaker 4: You're not having to answer for or what happened. And

501
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Speaker 4: when you don't talk since before, you know, a mock

502
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Speaker 4: turtlesuit before camp starts, well there's never a chance to

503
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Speaker 4: answer for the questions that the where the answers played

504
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Speaker 4: out over the course of the season, it felt there

505
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Speaker 4: was that never existed, and that's kind of what we've

506
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Speaker 4: been wanting. And so I do I commend the Bengals

507
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Speaker 4: for doing it. I know it's late and it feels

508
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Speaker 4: like it should have been happened there, Maybe it should

509
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Speaker 4: be more whatever, But I do commend them for offering

510
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Speaker 4: this transparency to their fans through us or whatever. But

511
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Speaker 4: like I, that's what it's a It's not about us, right,

512
00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:38,360
Speaker 4: it's about people want these answers from us, and we

513
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Speaker 4: have to ask Zach Taylor, who can't answer that, right,

514
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Speaker 4: And so the timing of this is what this is about.

515
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Speaker 4: But yeah, I think it's the recognition of the need

516
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Speaker 4: for transparency and a little bit of accountability from him.

517
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Speaker 2: Do you think this launches us into a new era

518
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Speaker 2: of transparency and accountability where Duke Tobin speaks more frequently?

519
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Speaker 2: Mm hmm, not necessarily. I think this is a one

520
00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:09,719
Speaker 2: of them test balloons. Maybe, I don't know, see how

521
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Speaker 2: it goes.

522
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Speaker 4: This is not a this isn't a precedent, This isn't

523
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Speaker 4: like every year now this is gonna happen. I don't

524
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Speaker 4: think that's the case. But should I would agree. That's

525
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Speaker 4: certainly been my contention for a while. I think it's helpful.

526
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Speaker 4: I only think it's fair if Joe Burrow has to

527
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Speaker 4: answer the questions, if Jamar Chase has to get up

528
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Speaker 4: there to answer the.

529
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Speaker 3: Questions Zach Taylor.

530
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Speaker 4: Zach Taylor has to get up there and answer the questions,

531
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Speaker 4: and oftentimes they are answering questions that should be directed

532
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Speaker 4: towards the person putting the roster together. Then yeah, I

533
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Speaker 4: think that that should at least happen once in in

534
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Speaker 4: that particular timeframe. So yeah, I think that's fair.

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Speaker 2: I don't I don't know what will happen, and I

536
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Speaker 2: don't know anybody knows for sure what will happen in

537
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Speaker 2: terms of precedent.

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Speaker 3: I just know that they're doing it now.

539
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Speaker 2: I appreciate the fact that he's doing it, whether it's

540
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Speaker 2: him raising his hand and saying I'll do it or

541
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Speaker 2: them telling him he has to.

542
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Speaker 3: I appreciate that.

543
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Speaker 2: I don't know that he can say anything on Friday

544
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Speaker 2: to make me or any other fan feel any better.

545
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know that.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know that there's some thing that he's

547
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Speaker 4: gonna say that's just gonna make it click for everybody, Like, yeah,

548
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Speaker 4: you know what I mean. I just think people just

549
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Speaker 4: it's the same reason that I've said said that this

550
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Speaker 4: is necessary. People just want to understand the perspective. Yeah,

551
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Speaker 4: they want to be mad too, but that's fine. But

552
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Speaker 4: I just think it's it's it doesn't help anybody when

553
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Speaker 4: I think people don't feel like they understand your view

554
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Speaker 4: of what went wrong, and they do what they assume

555
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Speaker 4: ineptitude and that's not the case. Like I know that

556
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Speaker 4: that's painted that way. But I just think there's an

557
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Speaker 4: assumption of that when you're not able to offer the

558
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Speaker 4: transparency and an explanation that that people want to hear

559
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Speaker 4: from from your point of view.

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Speaker 2: Well, and in your piece you use the term trial

561
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Speaker 2: balloon your lead balloon piece, because that's what it's gone

562
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Speaker 2: over with the athletic. You wrote about new opportunities to

563
00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:11,320
Speaker 2: learn about miscommunications, right, yeah, And look, every season provides

564
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:13,320
Speaker 2: opportunities to learn. You learn about your team, you learn

565
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Speaker 2: about your coat, you learn about the process, you learn

566
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Speaker 2: about the league, learn about your opponents. I guess the

567
00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:22,200
Speaker 2: two things I'm interested in and I don't necessarily need

568
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:26,160
Speaker 2: a show. I don't need an apology. I don't need fireworks.

569
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Speaker 2: I do think the perspective of Duke, given his position,

570
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Speaker 2: is interesting, and so given that this went so poorly,

571
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Speaker 2: I would want to know your perspective why this go poorly?

572
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Speaker 2: I don't know that he could say anything that makes

573
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Speaker 2: me go okay, great, great, okay, well that wasn't so bad,

574
00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:48,640
Speaker 2: but all right, like you, you were in charge of

575
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:52,040
Speaker 2: this roster. This roster underperformed, and one part of the

576
00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:55,080
Speaker 2: roster that underperformed, I think we thought coming into the

577
00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:56,840
Speaker 2: season was likely not going to be all that good.

578
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Speaker 2: So give me your perspective on why this went sideways

579
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Speaker 2: and then and the other one would be what did

580
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:05,280
Speaker 2: you learn, whether it be about the team, the coach,

581
00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:08,680
Speaker 2: your relationship with Zach, how you have to communicate, how

582
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Speaker 2: you have to be on the same page with all

583
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Speaker 2: of the coaches? What did this season? What lessons did

584
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Speaker 2: this season provide you?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a question that I think poorly asked yesterday,

586
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Speaker 4: trying to talk about how can the continuity that you guys.

587
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Speaker 2: Have had be different now? Like what are those lessons?

588
00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:29,720
Speaker 2: And that's the main question we all have. How do

589
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Speaker 2: you do things differently with the same people, right?

590
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Speaker 4: How can those lessons and how can the continuity that

591
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Speaker 4: you have now be a weapon to where maybe it

592
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Speaker 4: hasn't been enough in the past. And I think Zach's

593
00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:44,520
Speaker 4: answer was that you know, they have more continuity now.

594
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Speaker 4: That meant that's when he started talking about the year

595
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Speaker 4: two of out Golden and the pieces that are in

596
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Speaker 4: place and just bringing everybody back and they haven't necessarily

597
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:56,800
Speaker 4: had this much continuity before. That can lend itself to

598
00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:59,840
Speaker 4: more success and clarity. But yeah, I would want to know.

599
00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:02,120
Speaker 4: It's fine to hear that from one set. I want

600
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Speaker 4: to know what the other side feels about that too,

601
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Speaker 4: About how the same people can work better together going

602
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:10,640
Speaker 4: forward and why that is you know, a solution to

603
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:13,600
Speaker 4: believe in and whatever the answer there the answer is.

604
00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:15,680
Speaker 4: But yeah, I think that's what everybody wants to know,

605
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Speaker 4: is how do you make how do you make this

606
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Speaker 4: thing produce different results with the same people.

607
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Speaker 2: A couple of other things. In the coming weeks. You're

608
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Speaker 2: going to do the list of pending free agents, and

609
00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:30,560
Speaker 2: you always assign a percentage yes, in the process of

610
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 2: writing there right now as to the odds. You know

611
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:34,920
Speaker 2: that each guy is going to sign, so I look

612
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:38,600
Speaker 2: forward to that. What of all of the and I'll

613
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:42,120
Speaker 2: make it about pending free agents, but also players from

614
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Speaker 2: the twenty three class that have a year left on

615
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:46,280
Speaker 2: their deal or a guy like Dax Hill as well.

616
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Speaker 2: Which player represents the most difficult decision?

617
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Speaker 4: I think BJ Hill is an interesting one. They could

618
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:02,240
Speaker 4: move on from BJ and they have to take on

619
00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:05,760
Speaker 4: like seven and change and dead money and save almost

620
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:10,600
Speaker 4: five in the cap, which is, you know, not a

621
00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:13,040
Speaker 4: lot of money in the big picture of it. But

622
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Speaker 4: when you're trying to figure out how to reorganize the

623
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Speaker 4: defense and how much do you want to kind of

624
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:19,720
Speaker 4: run it back, and how much do you want to

625
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Speaker 4: take a chance on new players and that do different things.

626
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Speaker 4: Bj Is was a really interesting guy and that you know,

627
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:26,800
Speaker 4: he was a captain.

628
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Speaker 3: Which we know doesn't really mean anything on defense.

629
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Speaker 4: We particularly learned that, but like, but he was a

630
00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:36,440
Speaker 4: captain and he was playing all year, he played hurt.

631
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Speaker 4: They were using him in a weird way in that

632
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:41,320
Speaker 4: he wasn't really used as a pass rusher. He was

633
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:43,680
Speaker 4: using an early down run stopper, which I don't know

634
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Speaker 4: how much that fits who he is. I think there's

635
00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:50,280
Speaker 4: still value in him as a player, but can you

636
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Speaker 4: get better for that money that you would save? Also,

637
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Speaker 4: I don't think there's I think there's some internal belief

638
00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:00,640
Speaker 4: in Chris Jenkins, but there's big time quite schmark around

639
00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:03,040
Speaker 4: whether he'll ever be a guy yeah right now. Like

640
00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:06,280
Speaker 4: I quite famously felt better about Miles Murphy than I

641
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:09,040
Speaker 4: last year than I than I do about Chris.

642
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Speaker 3: Jenkins right now.

643
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Speaker 2: I just I don't you got to see a lot,

644
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Speaker 2: I think from him to feel like he's gonna get there,

645
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:17,720
Speaker 2: And so you need an insurance on that under the

646
00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:20,400
Speaker 2: assumption you're also bringing in more players of his position.

647
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Speaker 3: So how they view that if they want to.

648
00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:25,520
Speaker 4: Totally get out of that game and change, I think

649
00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:28,560
Speaker 4: is going to be maybe a little bit indicative of

650
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:31,840
Speaker 4: what direction the offseason goes. He has a two million

651
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:33,800
Speaker 4: dollar roster bonus in the fifth day the league year.

652
00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:36,120
Speaker 4: That will kind of can maybe give us a clue

653
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:39,360
Speaker 4: on what their decision has been rather than waiting it

654
00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:43,320
Speaker 4: out until camp or whatever. So I think that'll be

655
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Speaker 4: an interesting one. But I like BJ Hill in the

656
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Speaker 4: BJ Hill role. In the BJ Hill role, yes, so

657
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Speaker 4: the reserve, yeah, or rotational defensive tackle can do different things.

658
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Speaker 4: They've constantly asked him to do too much since Larry

659
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Speaker 4: ogan Obi left and so yeah, but but is that

660
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Speaker 4: what is that worth can they? I just think that's

661
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Speaker 4: gonna be an interesting one to watch.

662
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Speaker 2: I expected you to say, Joseph, I.

663
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Speaker 4: Just don't think he fits what He's gonna get what

664
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Speaker 4: they need like they like. You have Shamar Stewart, you

665
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Speaker 4: have Miles Murphy, you have like two's. He's a two

666
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Speaker 4: and he's gonna be paid like paid, like maybe more

667
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Speaker 4: like a one because he dictates in free agency, and

668
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Speaker 4: he's had an injury history, He's got this risk thing.

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Speaker 3: Like I just I think someone.

670
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Speaker 4: Will pay Joseph and he's played well enough to get it.

671
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Speaker 4: I just don't know that what that costs what they

672
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Speaker 4: need fits here, and so for that fact, I feel

673
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Speaker 4: like more than likely will go. It's just a matter

674
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Speaker 4: of that. It's not that he's a bad player, it's

675
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Speaker 4: just where they're at. I think they could get They

676
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Speaker 4: probably feel like they could get somebody better that does.

677
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Speaker 3: Fit them better for that amount of money.

678
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Speaker 2: This is maybe a stupid question. It's not the first

679
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:13,359
Speaker 2: one that I've asked. We're in the coaching cycle and

680
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:17,319
Speaker 2: there's a lot of underwhelming names for what it's worth.

681
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:18,680
Speaker 2: Lou An Romo is going to get a shot to

682
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Speaker 2: interview with the New York Giants for their vacancy and

683
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Speaker 2: the Titans.

684
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Speaker 3: And the Titans.

685
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Speaker 2: I'm looking at the ESPN on Sunday morning during their

686
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Speaker 2: pregame show and they're throwing up all these names of

687
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:30,439
Speaker 2: guys who could get a chance to interview, and there's

688
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:34,000
Speaker 2: there's some retread to it. Man, So the Bengals offense

689
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:35,880
Speaker 2: is good. Dan Pitcher has been here for a while,

690
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Speaker 2: Is it remotely surprising that somebody hasn't said, let's give

691
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Speaker 2: him an interview.

692
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Speaker 4: I thought it was more than remotely surprising last year. Yeah,

693
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Speaker 4: and they went six and eleven, and I get it,

694
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Speaker 4: you know, so it's hard. If you need you usually

695
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:54,759
Speaker 4: need to win. But you know, Brian Callahan, when they

696
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Speaker 4: had to play with the backup quarterback, got his job. Yeah,

697
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Speaker 4: I think I have not.

698
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Speaker 2: I think it's there's there's a partial nature of the

699
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:09,600
Speaker 2: just people just give Joe Burrow all the credit.

700
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Speaker 3: I have not for the life of me. Do you think.

701
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Speaker 2: Callahan's failure in Nashville hurts Pitcher as a prospective head

702
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Speaker 2: coach while the team is Maybe, I mean.

703
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Speaker 3: It doesn't help.

704
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:24,520
Speaker 2: It certainly doesn't help. I'd like to think of them

705
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Speaker 2: as different people.

706
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Speaker 4: I don't think you can just lump them together as

707
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Speaker 4: you know, Burrow's kids.

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Speaker 3: I don't think that's fair. I don't think it's definitely

709
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Speaker 3: not fair to Dan.

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Speaker 4: I have been surprised at how little run he's gotten

711
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Speaker 4: because his background is different, like Brian's background was quarterback guru.

712
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Speaker 4: So if you're taking a quarterback, you need to get

713
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Speaker 4: your quarterback situation fixed. He was the guy and it

714
00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:50,319
Speaker 4: didn't go well, get fired for Cam woreon ever really

715
00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:52,480
Speaker 4: even started playing and whatever. It's just a different story.

716
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Speaker 4: But Pitch is a much broader background in his background

717
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Speaker 4: in analytics in scott Out is much more of an

718
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Speaker 4: all encompassing head coach type background than even Brian's was.

719
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Speaker 4: And so that's where I feel like I'm surprised more

720
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Speaker 4: teams aren't intrigued by that when he also brings the

721
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Speaker 4: quarterback and the offense stuff with him. So that's yeah,

722
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Speaker 4: I don't will see how that plays out, but yeah,

723
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Speaker 4: you're right, I mean in those names. That's the other,

724
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Speaker 4: you know, less discussed portion of the conversation that we

725
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Speaker 4: had with my piece is that this ain't a Ben

726
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Speaker 4: Johnson Mike Rabel here. I mean, it's different if that's

727
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Speaker 4: sitting out there. If Ben Johnson's sitting out here wants

728
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:40,680
Speaker 4: to come coach Joe Burrow or Mike Rabel's like, let's

729
00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:44,279
Speaker 4: do it, then then maybe you're having different conversations. But

730
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Speaker 4: that canonate doesn't exist. I mean, the Bengals aren't the

731
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Speaker 4: only ones that sat okay, Indy, I felt like I

732
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Speaker 4: saw my guy zat Kiefer for us wrote the Indie

733
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Speaker 4: story on why they decided to stand Pat with Shane

734
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Speaker 4: Steichen and Chris Ballard felt like he wrote the same

735
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Speaker 4: story I did, panned. I haven't read the comments, but

736
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Speaker 4: I can. It's fine, it's much more explanatory. But there's

737
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Speaker 4: a new ownership situation whatever. That's not the only lot

738
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Speaker 4: of places stood Pat that maybe you would have thought

739
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Speaker 4: changes could have happened, and so that I think that's

740
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Speaker 4: also partially response to just the lack of big time

741
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Speaker 4: candidates that happened to be out there this year.

742
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Speaker 3: Is this the least popular piece you've ever written? Probably?

743
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Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know, man, I'd have to think

744
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Speaker 3: of something the top it.

745
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Speaker 4: I knew it, I said, I told I said to

746
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Speaker 4: my editor yesterday, Dave I said, I said, we might

747
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:40,040
Speaker 4: break the angry comments effort tomorrow, So I'm not trying to.

748
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Speaker 4: I was like, I just feel like I want to

749
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Speaker 4: say this, and I know it's going to probably be

750
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Speaker 4: taken the right way, the wrong way I mean, and

751
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:53,160
Speaker 4: just and obviously be poorly timed and the wrong topic.

752
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Speaker 2: At this moment, I sat down this morning at ten

753
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Speaker 2: minutes after nine o'clock.

754
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Speaker 3: I had taken my daughter.

755
00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:02,439
Speaker 2: To school, made a cup of coffee, did a few things,

756
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Speaker 2: and I sit down at my desk in my office

757
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:06,399
Speaker 2: to you know, start on the day. And the very

758
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:09,439
Speaker 2: first thing I see is the tweet right from you

759
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:12,600
Speaker 2: sending out the piece, and I wanted to just text you.

760
00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:18,000
Speaker 2: You'd be like, oh, thank you, thanks, one more thing,

761
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:20,239
Speaker 2: one more thing. Did you guys want to laugh at

762
00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:22,239
Speaker 2: Zach Taylor when he was whining about the game being

763
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Speaker 2: stopped on Sunday?

764
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Speaker 3: Not really?

765
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Speaker 4: Well, I was more I was actually more interested in

766
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:34,480
Speaker 4: the logistics of the fact that it truly wasn't discussed

767
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:37,319
Speaker 4: to just write, what are we gonna do? If you

768
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:41,880
Speaker 4: were as an as an officiating crew going to stop

769
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Speaker 4: the game? How does that not when you knew they

770
00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:48,560
Speaker 4: did talk about Miles' record in the pre ninety minute

771
00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:50,839
Speaker 4: before the game meeting, right and you didn't say we'll

772
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:54,200
Speaker 4: probably stop the game, so even mentioned that, Like to me,

773
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Speaker 4: I was much more interested in just the logistics over

774
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Speaker 4: than the fact that he was whining about it.

775
00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:02,080
Speaker 2: So I was wondering about the logistics, but I was

776
00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:04,919
Speaker 2: wondering about it from Zach's perspective because we were doing

777
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:08,000
Speaker 2: our show on Sunday morning, and I asked kind of

778
00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:11,359
Speaker 2: just rhetorically, like if he breaks the record, is there

779
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:13,440
Speaker 2: going to be a pause in the action? Like not

780
00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:15,839
Speaker 2: we allowed a stage and let's bring him a car

781
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:18,319
Speaker 2: and shower him with gifts like forty one ninety two.

782
00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:22,000
Speaker 2: But like, there's there have been records that have fallen,

783
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Speaker 2: and granted usually the player is performing at home, but

784
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Speaker 2: records that fall and they pause the game to acknowledge it.

785
00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:31,960
Speaker 2: If I'm wondering that at nine thirty in the morning,

786
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:34,640
Speaker 2: shouldn't Zach Taylor be wondering that at nine thirty in

787
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Speaker 2: the morning enough to say to one of the officials, Hey, guys,

788
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:41,000
Speaker 2: if he gets the sack, what happens, so that at

789
00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:43,400
Speaker 2: least he can plan if our guy gets sacked and

790
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:46,480
Speaker 2: it's Miles Garrett, here's what's going to happen. So I

791
00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:50,120
Speaker 2: pin that on Zach and an example of his lack

792
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Speaker 2: of preparation for the moment.

793
00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:56,000
Speaker 4: Fair, Yeah, I mean I would assume that the I mean,

794
00:40:56,040 --> 00:40:57,799
Speaker 4: I don't know who the hell knows I would have.

795
00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:00,719
Speaker 4: I've never been in one of those meetings. I do

796
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:03,960
Speaker 4: that they discussed Miles Garrett situation. But yeah, if it

797
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:05,799
Speaker 4: wasn't said, like are you going to stop the game

798
00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:06,919
Speaker 4: and we're in a two minute drill.

799
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Speaker 5: M m.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that is probably on him as well, but you

801
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:13,239
Speaker 4: would think the officials think that they're supposed to be

802
00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:15,960
Speaker 4: on top of that. I don't whining about it. I mean,

803
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:18,600
Speaker 4: I was so over the season at that point, Like whatever,

804
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:20,520
Speaker 4: does anybody care about what happened in this game?

805
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:23,319
Speaker 3: No? Only thing that mattered in that game was that

806
00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:26,040
Speaker 3: Joe Burrow was healthy. That's what I put on social media.

807
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:29,279
Speaker 4: Any and they they had, they coached and played like

808
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:32,839
Speaker 4: it like they were in that game trying to keep

809
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:34,960
Speaker 4: him healthy. And I don't have any problem with that

810
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:38,120
Speaker 4: that personally, if not, only that could have gone wrong

811
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Speaker 4: if I wrote it before the game even started. The

812
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:43,080
Speaker 4: only thing that can go wrong today doesn't have to

813
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:45,160
Speaker 4: do with winning, losing.

814
00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:46,760
Speaker 3: Any of it. None of it matters.

815
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:49,399
Speaker 4: The only thing that matters is does Joe Burrow walk

816
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:50,320
Speaker 4: off this field healthy.

817
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:53,839
Speaker 2: I was watching though a local television station on Sunday night,

818
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:56,680
Speaker 2: and one of the people on this local television station

819
00:41:56,800 --> 00:41:58,480
Speaker 2: referred to the loss as a heartbreaker.

820
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Speaker 3: Oh really, Oh it really was tough.

821
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Speaker 2: You just want to be seven and ten, I guess,

822
00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:08,960
Speaker 2: so you can't six and eleven. It just feels so

823
00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:12,960
Speaker 2: much worse. Thank you as always, Thank you are there

824
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:16,080
Speaker 2: any more any more comments that that you didn't get

825
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:20,960
Speaker 2: into any more nicknames? Really just this is from Andy W.

826
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:24,080
Speaker 2: Really disappointing article, Paul. This is a take that is

827
00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:28,000
Speaker 2: incredibly myopic and misguided, which is ironic considering the content

828
00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:31,640
Speaker 2: is about how enacting change would be a short sighted decision.

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Speaker 4: That wasn't as good as the other one that called

830
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Speaker 4: it hot garbage. Yeah, I'm sure they're piling up. I'm

831
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Speaker 4: sure you know.

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Speaker 2: You have the thing there where like you have to

833
00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:44,200
Speaker 2: hit load comments, there's more. I do that three times

834
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Speaker 2: and I'm like, all right, I got stuff to do.

835
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Speaker 2: I can't do this all day there. But there were

836
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Speaker 2: there's a lot there.

837
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Speaker 3: I know there is. I know there is.

838
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:53,719
Speaker 2: Read Paul's piece at the Athletic dot Com. Make sure

839
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Speaker 2: you leave a comment and listen to the Growlar podcast

840
00:42:56,760 --> 00:42:57,160
Speaker 2: as well.

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Speaker 2: not great Mountaineer squad.

874
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:45,720
Speaker 3: But I have a question.

875
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:50,040
Speaker 2: We'll get to that in just a bit full show preview.

876
00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:52,520
Speaker 2: I didn't get a chance to shoot the video today,

877
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:54,719
Speaker 2: but you should still follow me on Twitter. Thanks to

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879
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880
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:02,919
Speaker 2: come up with the pole question as well. This day

881
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:05,880
Speaker 2: has kind of gotten away from me. On the Bengals,

882
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:11,600
Speaker 2: what they have this offseason sounds really easy, right, It

883
00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:15,080
Speaker 2: sounds really easy. Duke Tobin's got to fix the defense now,

884
00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:19,319
Speaker 2: getting it right and getting it right across all the

885
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:22,279
Speaker 2: different position groups they have to address, and getting it

886
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:24,480
Speaker 2: right in free agency and getting it right in the

887
00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:26,839
Speaker 2: draft with players who could help immediately.

888
00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:29,800
Speaker 3: Is more difficult than it sounds.

889
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:32,440
Speaker 2: If it was that easy, then any one of us

890
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:33,520
Speaker 2: could run an NFL team.

891
00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:39,160
Speaker 3: So so Duke Tobin. The task at hand sounds simple, right.

892
00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:42,319
Speaker 2: The direction the Bengals have to go in is very

893
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:46,080
Speaker 2: easy to identify. The overarching theme of the off season

894
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:52,040
Speaker 2: is very easy to identify. The actual work itself is tough,

895
00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:57,000
Speaker 2: is difficult, involve some things that are even beyond the

896
00:45:57,000 --> 00:46:01,880
Speaker 2: Bengals control. We'll see if they get it done. I

897
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:04,920
Speaker 2: want to know this, Can Duke Tobin make a layup

898
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:08,680
Speaker 2: like it or not? He's running the club, like it

899
00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:11,239
Speaker 2: or not. The Bengals are not changing the structure in

900
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:13,680
Speaker 2: the front office like it or not. The team is

901
00:46:13,719 --> 00:46:16,279
Speaker 2: not being sold, like it or not. Zach Taylor is

902
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:18,680
Speaker 2: going to be the head coach. So what I want

903
00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:21,319
Speaker 2: to know We've talked often about, like can the same

904
00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:25,920
Speaker 2: people achieve better results? Can the same people do things

905
00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:29,160
Speaker 2: differently to the degree that are to put the Bengals

906
00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:32,919
Speaker 2: back in a position to win. One thing they could

907
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:36,919
Speaker 2: do is handle the easy stuff. One thing they could

908
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:40,399
Speaker 2: do is not add to their list of issues they

909
00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:45,400
Speaker 2: have to solve this offseason. The Dalton Reisner thing is

910
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:49,640
Speaker 2: maybe the biggest layup that Duke Tobin has ever had

911
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:55,239
Speaker 2: in his professional life. He is literally standing underneath the

912
00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:59,600
Speaker 2: rim holding the ball in a gym by himself. No

913
00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:03,279
Speaker 2: one's gonna swat the shot away, no one's gonna move

914
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:06,759
Speaker 2: the basket, no one's gonna hack him on the arm.

915
00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:10,200
Speaker 3: This is a layup.

916
00:47:11,080 --> 00:47:15,600
Speaker 2: Dalton Reisner was acquired late during training camp, joined the team,

917
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:17,960
Speaker 2: and in the second half of the season was a

918
00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:20,640
Speaker 2: part of an offensive line that played really well. Like

919
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:23,920
Speaker 2: I saw somebody put this on social media today and

920
00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:26,839
Speaker 2: I'm paraphrasing them, but like one of the sort of

921
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:31,959
Speaker 2: under the radar storylines to the entire season was in Cincinnati,

922
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:35,200
Speaker 2: they seem to have fixed the offensive line.

923
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:39,799
Speaker 3: Now you have to mention some caveats. I don't know.

924
00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:42,920
Speaker 2: I don't know that Orlando Brown isn't at least slightly

925
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:46,640
Speaker 2: past his prime. I am a little bit worried that

926
00:47:46,680 --> 00:47:51,319
Speaker 2: they wasted good offensive line health this season. You have

927
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:54,600
Speaker 2: to address depth. But for the first time in a

928
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:59,240
Speaker 2: very long time, the season ended with the Bengals using

929
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:03,239
Speaker 2: five offens lineman that if they brought them back the

930
00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:08,440
Speaker 2: next season, you'd be okay with right. Amrius Mims is

931
00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:11,560
Speaker 2: going to be a terrific player. He is trending in

932
00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:16,040
Speaker 2: that direction. Dylan Fairschild had a solid, solid rookie season,

933
00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:18,120
Speaker 2: and Ted Carris is a solid player.

934
00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:22,560
Speaker 3: And Orlando Brown, even if he is not in his.

935
00:48:22,600 --> 00:48:25,200
Speaker 2: Prime, you could do a lot worse at left tackle,

936
00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:30,960
Speaker 2: and Dalton Reisner proved to be a solid late offseason acquisition.

937
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:36,360
Speaker 2: For the first time in a very long time. You

938
00:48:36,520 --> 00:48:39,360
Speaker 2: go into the offseason and on the list of team

939
00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:44,759
Speaker 2: needs near the very top is not offensive line.

940
00:48:46,560 --> 00:48:47,560
Speaker 3: So don't make it one.

941
00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:51,719
Speaker 2: You have a player who got here, wrapped his arms

942
00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:56,799
Speaker 2: around the team, played well, and has stated publicly, I

943
00:48:56,880 --> 00:48:59,440
Speaker 2: want to be here. I don't want to have to

944
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:03,319
Speaker 2: wait till August to sign my next contract. I don't

945
00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:05,120
Speaker 2: want to get to March when I can be a

946
00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:11,440
Speaker 2: free agent. So item number one, you're gonna go ahead

947
00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:15,560
Speaker 2: and make the layup? Or are you gonna go ahead

948
00:49:15,880 --> 00:49:19,600
Speaker 2: and add to a very lengthy list of problems that

949
00:49:19,640 --> 00:49:23,080
Speaker 2: you have to solve this offseason? Just I mean, I

950
00:49:23,120 --> 00:49:26,040
Speaker 2: could spend the next hour and fifty minutes going through

951
00:49:26,040 --> 00:49:26,520
Speaker 2: all of them.

952
00:49:26,560 --> 00:49:27,680
Speaker 3: I don't think I need to.

953
00:49:27,719 --> 00:49:31,760
Speaker 2: But geez, pretty much every position group on the defense

954
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:36,240
Speaker 2: they need players. Some areas are more pressing than others.

955
00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:39,440
Speaker 2: I think they're pretty good on the outside corner, but

956
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:42,080
Speaker 2: you can never have enough corners in this league. Slock corner,

957
00:49:42,160 --> 00:49:44,799
Speaker 2: they obviously are gonna need a safety. I still would

958
00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:46,920
Speaker 2: go get to and make Jordan Battle compete for a

959
00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:53,399
Speaker 2: starting job. Next year, we'll see edge rusher, free technique, linebacker,

960
00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:58,839
Speaker 2: up and down the defense, everywhere on the defense. That's

961
00:49:58,840 --> 00:50:01,799
Speaker 2: a lot of stuff to fix. Yes, that's a lot

962
00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:04,080
Speaker 2: of players that you have to go get that need

963
00:50:04,120 --> 00:50:07,239
Speaker 2: to prove to be upgrades from the guys they're replacing.

964
00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:14,440
Speaker 2: Targeting the problem or identifying the problem is very very

965
00:50:14,560 --> 00:50:20,399
Speaker 2: very easy. Fixing the problem not so much. Fixing all

966
00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:24,040
Speaker 2: your problems becomes more difficult. If you add to them.

967
00:50:25,239 --> 00:50:28,080
Speaker 2: You add to them if you don't make your layup.

968
00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:33,439
Speaker 2: Signing Dalton Reisner is a layup. There's the litmus test.

969
00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:39,720
Speaker 2: There's the litmus test. Okay, they're bringing everybody back. So, Mike, Troy, Katie,

970
00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:43,319
Speaker 2: Elizabeth Duke, you got a lot of work to do

971
00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:45,800
Speaker 2: this offseason. You have a lot to do, not only

972
00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:49,640
Speaker 2: to make the team better, but to make your public

973
00:50:49,719 --> 00:50:54,320
Speaker 2: feel like you're going to achieve significantly different results. Moving

974
00:50:54,320 --> 00:50:58,040
Speaker 2: forward than you have each of the last three years.

975
00:50:59,719 --> 00:51:01,959
Speaker 2: Do easy one, make the layup.

976
00:51:03,520 --> 00:51:03,680
Speaker 3: Now.

977
00:51:03,680 --> 00:51:07,200
Speaker 2: The Bengals do have a history of taking things that

978
00:51:07,239 --> 00:51:11,360
Speaker 2: seem pretty easy and making them more difficult. Right the

979
00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:15,239
Speaker 2: Samar Stewart thing, which I'm not sure that had a

980
00:51:15,360 --> 00:51:17,040
Speaker 2: huge impact on his rookie season.

981
00:51:17,080 --> 00:51:20,360
Speaker 3: His rookie season was a wash because of injury. But

982
00:51:20,440 --> 00:51:21,240
Speaker 3: it wasn't helpful.

983
00:51:21,719 --> 00:51:24,880
Speaker 2: They draggted a guy and then went through this months long,

984
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:28,359
Speaker 2: protracted back and forth wre with Shamar where he wasn't

985
00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:30,480
Speaker 2: in the building and when he was he was sounding

986
00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:33,360
Speaker 2: off on the organization, and it just it wasn't helpful,

987
00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:38,239
Speaker 2: It wasn't productive. It was just an unnecessary complication during

988
00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:40,960
Speaker 2: an off season that was really important that they failed.

989
00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:47,640
Speaker 2: The Trey Hendrickson thing, just dragging out forever unnecessary, unhelpful.

990
00:51:48,239 --> 00:51:53,120
Speaker 2: Jamar and T's deals got done those two different sets

991
00:51:53,120 --> 00:51:58,279
Speaker 2: of circumstances. Dragging out the way they did unnecessary, unhelpful.

992
00:52:00,600 --> 00:52:05,839
Speaker 2: Don't create more unnecessary and unhelpful things. The job at

993
00:52:05,840 --> 00:52:11,440
Speaker 2: this front office is already gonna be very difficult, and

994
00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:15,560
Speaker 2: it is like, I know we're gonna do the whole

995
00:52:15,600 --> 00:52:17,960
Speaker 2: like just gotta be league average on defense thing. But

996
00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:20,480
Speaker 2: just look at all the different things they have to fix.

997
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:25,520
Speaker 2: Why add to that list? Like it's it's if you've

998
00:52:25,520 --> 00:52:27,600
Speaker 2: got a house that's a fixer upper. It's like taking

999
00:52:27,600 --> 00:52:29,920
Speaker 2: a hammer and banging a bunch of holes into the

1000
00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:32,840
Speaker 2: wall that you don't need to. You're just creating more problems.

1001
00:52:33,560 --> 00:52:37,920
Speaker 2: This one could not be any easier. Not gonna be

1002
00:52:37,960 --> 00:52:41,640
Speaker 2: an uber expensive player. He's a guy who says he

1003
00:52:41,719 --> 00:52:45,359
Speaker 2: wants to be here. Well, everybody is worrying about God,

1004
00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:47,879
Speaker 2: is Joe gonna want to be here forever? What about

1005
00:52:47,960 --> 00:52:51,200
Speaker 2: Jamar doesn't seem very confident in his head? Coach Man,

1006
00:52:51,239 --> 00:52:53,800
Speaker 2: are free agents really gonna want to come here? Who's

1007
00:52:53,840 --> 00:52:55,960
Speaker 2: good here? You have a guy that has stated like, dude,

1008
00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:57,759
Speaker 2: I want to play here. Don't let me get to

1009
00:52:57,800 --> 00:53:00,719
Speaker 2: free agency. Get it done now, Okay, take them up

1010
00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:03,640
Speaker 2: on it. Hell announce it on Friday during the Duke

1011
00:53:03,680 --> 00:53:07,520
Speaker 2: Tobin press conference. You got to make your layups, man,

1012
00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:11,320
Speaker 2: You gotta make your layups. If you can't make your layups,

1013
00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:14,720
Speaker 2: I I don't care about your inability to make threes

1014
00:53:14,920 --> 00:53:17,760
Speaker 2: or your ability to make threes, make.

1015
00:53:17,640 --> 00:53:18,960
Speaker 3: The easy shots.

1016
00:53:19,520 --> 00:53:22,080
Speaker 2: Duke Tobin will never have an easier shot than this

1017
00:53:22,120 --> 00:53:26,640
Speaker 2: one sign Dalton Reisner do it today five three seven,

1018
00:53:26,320 --> 00:53:28,839
Speaker 2: fifteen thirty. I'm kind of curious he is gonna talk

1019
00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:30,600
Speaker 2: on Friday, and this is something we could talk about

1020
00:53:30,600 --> 00:53:33,720
Speaker 2: throughout the course of the week. Duke Tobin is gonna

1021
00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:38,520
Speaker 2: talk on Friday. I'm kind of curious. I guess two things. One,

1022
00:53:39,160 --> 00:53:41,320
Speaker 2: what do you want to hear him say? Two?

1023
00:53:41,800 --> 00:53:43,240
Speaker 3: Could he say anything.

1024
00:53:42,840 --> 00:53:46,480
Speaker 2: That it makes you feel better about what's next? At

1025
00:53:46,520 --> 00:53:49,200
Speaker 2: Moegger on Twitter five one, three, seven, four nine, fifteen

1026
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:54,960
Speaker 2: thirty works as well. Quarter after four. Uh UC plays

1027
00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:56,920
Speaker 2: another game tonight in the Big twelve, this one on

1028
00:53:56,920 --> 00:53:59,719
Speaker 2: the road against West Virginia. This is a winnable game.

1029
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:02,600
Speaker 2: Saturday was a winnable game against a much better team.

1030
00:54:02,719 --> 00:54:06,040
Speaker 2: It didn't go well in the final four minutes. Offensively,

1031
00:54:06,680 --> 00:54:08,400
Speaker 2: didn't go very well in the first ten minutes of

1032
00:54:08,440 --> 00:54:11,960
Speaker 2: the game. Wes Miller insists the Bearcats are close, and

1033
00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:15,520
Speaker 2: maybe they are, but there's a simple question that comes

1034
00:54:15,520 --> 00:54:18,799
Speaker 2: in response. We'll do that next on ESPN fifteen thirty,

1035
00:54:18,840 --> 00:54:27,160
Speaker 2: Cincinnati Sports Station Cincinawcky, Cincinnati, and iHeartRadio Station Guaranteed Human

1036
00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:32,480
Speaker 2: ESPN fifteen thirty. I heard Rady twenty after four. This

1037
00:54:32,560 --> 00:54:36,400
Speaker 2: is ESPN fifteen thirty Moeger. Thank you so much for listening.

1038
00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:39,799
Speaker 2: If you missed yesterday's Tony and No Football show, you

1039
00:54:39,880 --> 00:54:43,600
Speaker 2: can go find it right now. It's on the iHeartRadio app.

1040
00:54:44,600 --> 00:54:47,160
Speaker 2: Could also get into the podcast page of ESPN fifteen

1041
00:54:47,200 --> 00:54:48,960
Speaker 2: thirty dot com. We put a bow in the season.

1042
00:54:49,040 --> 00:54:51,279
Speaker 2: We obviously had a lot of reaction to the news

1043
00:54:51,320 --> 00:54:54,160
Speaker 2: that both Zach and Duke are coming back. Handed out

1044
00:54:54,200 --> 00:54:57,480
Speaker 2: some postseason awards, looked at the playoffs, did some college football,

1045
00:54:57,480 --> 00:55:00,520
Speaker 2: and so much more. Go listen to it. We don't

1046
00:55:00,600 --> 00:55:03,640
Speaker 2: wait wait till six o'clock. I don't listen to this

1047
00:55:03,719 --> 00:55:06,960
Speaker 2: show while you're listening to that show. That's that doesn't

1048
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:09,080
Speaker 2: do me or you any good. But it's available if

1049
00:55:09,080 --> 00:55:10,319
Speaker 2: you missed it or if you want to hear it

1050
00:55:10,360 --> 00:55:16,400
Speaker 2: again on the iHeartRadio app. Jim in Centerville, you're on

1051
00:55:16,600 --> 00:55:18,680
Speaker 2: ESPN fifteen thirty. Jim, thank you for hanging on.

1052
00:55:18,719 --> 00:55:22,920
Speaker 3: How are you? I'm good, Mo, How you doing, I'm wonderful.

1053
00:55:22,920 --> 00:55:23,359
Speaker 3: What's up?

1054
00:55:25,280 --> 00:55:25,640
Speaker 9: Hey?

1055
00:55:25,760 --> 00:55:29,160
Speaker 10: So are you going to be part of the media

1056
00:55:29,920 --> 00:55:34,240
Speaker 10: present when Duke Topin gives his little uh BS speech?

1057
00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:35,839
Speaker 3: I will be here at the radio station.

1058
00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:42,080
Speaker 10: Ah, okay, all right, well we need we need somebody

1059
00:55:42,239 --> 00:55:48,120
Speaker 10: that is going to say what you just said about

1060
00:55:48,600 --> 00:55:54,680
Speaker 10: about Dalton Reisner and throwing DJ Turner while they're at it. Yes,

1061
00:55:54,800 --> 00:55:56,839
Speaker 10: somebody's got to ask that question, or at least at

1062
00:55:56,920 --> 00:55:59,560
Speaker 10: least make that statement. Hey, look, this is a layup.

1063
00:56:00,200 --> 00:56:00,839
Speaker 10: It really is.

1064
00:56:01,040 --> 00:56:01,480
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1065
00:56:01,680 --> 00:56:05,040
Speaker 2: I believe I believe that the people who cover this team,

1066
00:56:05,120 --> 00:56:07,759
Speaker 2: who have wanted to talk to Duke in this particular

1067
00:56:07,800 --> 00:56:11,359
Speaker 2: setting for a while will and we'll ask pretty much

1068
00:56:11,400 --> 00:56:13,759
Speaker 2: most of the questions, if not all that Folks like

1069
00:56:13,800 --> 00:56:16,080
Speaker 2: you and I want to want to hear asked.

1070
00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:21,520
Speaker 10: Now, what Duke is going to say is we're evaluating

1071
00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:25,319
Speaker 10: players that we currently have on the roster and other

1072
00:56:25,360 --> 00:56:28,520
Speaker 10: players to see who might be the best fit. And

1073
00:56:29,200 --> 00:56:31,920
Speaker 10: don't expect it. You know, obviously you know this. He's

1074
00:56:31,960 --> 00:56:35,759
Speaker 10: not going to give any answers, but just just to

1075
00:56:35,800 --> 00:56:38,319
Speaker 10: put it in his head. Hey, look, if you haven't

1076
00:56:38,360 --> 00:56:42,240
Speaker 10: heard already, Dalton Riiser wants to be here. DJ Turner

1077
00:56:42,280 --> 00:56:47,320
Speaker 10: is a pretty good cornerback, and draft Caleb.

1078
00:56:47,120 --> 00:56:50,680
Speaker 2: Downs if well, the last one I might feel more

1079
00:56:50,680 --> 00:56:52,320
Speaker 2: emphatically about than anything else.

1080
00:56:52,920 --> 00:56:55,200
Speaker 3: If if Duke Tobin needs.

1081
00:56:55,080 --> 00:56:57,960
Speaker 2: Someone in the media to remind him that DJ Turner

1082
00:56:58,040 --> 00:57:00,279
Speaker 2: is one of the best corners in the sport and

1083
00:57:00,320 --> 00:57:02,640
Speaker 2: that Dalton Reisner played at a pretty high level at

1084
00:57:02,640 --> 00:57:04,600
Speaker 2: a position they've been trying to fill for years. If

1085
00:57:04,920 --> 00:57:07,719
Speaker 2: he needs someone in the media to remind him of that,

1086
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Speaker 2: then he and this organization have bigger problems than is

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Speaker 2: already perceived.

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Speaker 10: No, I think he might need somebody. I know you're

1089
00:57:19,280 --> 00:57:22,240
Speaker 10: you know, I hear you. Yeah, I just thought we've

1090
00:57:22,240 --> 00:57:25,200
Speaker 10: seen this guy do some crazy things. Yeah again, like that,

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Speaker 10: don't the.

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Speaker 3: The Reisner thing? You know? Yes, signed DJ Turner. Now.

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00:57:32,040 --> 00:57:34,240
Speaker 2: DJ Turner may want to hit free agency one day.

1094
00:57:34,280 --> 00:57:36,320
Speaker 2: He may want to see what what would happen to

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00:57:36,360 --> 00:57:38,840
Speaker 2: his market value if he put together another really good season.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know, But Dalton Reisner is stating

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00:57:42,560 --> 00:57:44,920
Speaker 2: publicly I want to play here. Don't let it get

1098
00:57:44,920 --> 00:57:48,680
Speaker 2: to march like this. There are no complexities to this.

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Speaker 2: He he made less than two million dollars this past season.

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00:57:53,160 --> 00:57:55,560
Speaker 2: He has stated a desire to be here. He played

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00:57:55,600 --> 00:57:58,240
Speaker 2: at a pretty high level. Your offensive line is pretty

1102
00:57:58,280 --> 00:58:01,320
Speaker 2: much said if you bring him back like just that

1103
00:58:01,760 --> 00:58:05,960
Speaker 2: is one where it could not be more of a layup.

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00:58:06,080 --> 00:58:09,120
Speaker 2: But the DJ Turner thing I also think speaks to,

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00:58:10,160 --> 00:58:12,520
Speaker 2: you know, one of the questions we have about this offseason,

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00:58:12,560 --> 00:58:14,400
Speaker 2: which is, where is the drama going to come from?

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00:58:14,520 --> 00:58:14,760
Speaker 3: Right?

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00:58:14,800 --> 00:58:18,160
Speaker 2: Where is the issue where there's a player who's dissatisfied

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00:58:18,240 --> 00:58:22,000
Speaker 2: with the state of contract negotiations, upset that they're not

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00:58:22,080 --> 00:58:24,840
Speaker 2: getting there as relative to one of their teammates. Where

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00:58:24,920 --> 00:58:27,720
Speaker 2: is it going to come from? And I don't know

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00:58:27,720 --> 00:58:31,080
Speaker 2: if this franchise has either not cared about those offseason

1113
00:58:31,160 --> 00:58:34,120
Speaker 2: side shows or if they've been unable to identify where

1114
00:58:34,160 --> 00:58:36,680
Speaker 2: the side shows are going to come from. But I

1115
00:58:36,720 --> 00:58:39,400
Speaker 2: think you have to go overboard this offseason to ensure

1116
00:58:39,480 --> 00:58:42,520
Speaker 2: that there's nobody who's rocking the boat. So don't put

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00:58:42,600 --> 00:58:45,880
Speaker 2: DJ Turner in a position where maybe he's the next

1118
00:58:45,960 --> 00:58:48,720
Speaker 2: guy to rock the boat. Come to an agreement with him,

1119
00:58:48,760 --> 00:58:51,200
Speaker 2: and if he decides, you know what, I don't want

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Speaker 2: to sign a contract right now, then there's nothing you

1121
00:58:53,080 --> 00:58:55,200
Speaker 2: can do about it. But then if that's his position,

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00:58:55,600 --> 00:58:57,760
Speaker 2: my guess is he's then not going to rock.

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Speaker 10: The boat right right. I mean, it seems to me

1124
00:59:02,160 --> 00:59:06,800
Speaker 10: like they embrace the conflict almost like I mean, I mean,

1125
00:59:06,800 --> 00:59:09,919
Speaker 10: we're basically the Dallas Cowboys with an owner who doesn't talk.

1126
00:59:10,280 --> 00:59:12,320
Speaker 10: We do the same kind of stupid things that they do,

1127
00:59:13,600 --> 00:59:17,439
Speaker 10: you know, and we don't value the guard position. That's

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Speaker 10: what worries me about the Dalton Reiser thing. For whatever reason,

1129
00:59:22,800 --> 00:59:27,800
Speaker 10: we historically have not. But you know, back to Caleb Downs,

1130
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Speaker 10: I've heard so many people talking about, oh, you don't

1131
00:59:31,720 --> 00:59:34,360
Speaker 10: draft a safety with the number ten spot in the draft.

1132
00:59:34,400 --> 00:59:37,240
Speaker 10: Well you do if he's Ed Reed or if he's

1133
00:59:37,280 --> 00:59:41,560
Speaker 10: Troy Polamalu. And that's what this guy is. That touchdown

1134
00:59:41,600 --> 00:59:43,800
Speaker 10: that we gave up to the Bears to end the

1135
00:59:43,840 --> 00:59:48,400
Speaker 10: game wouldn't have happened if Caleb Downs was on the field.

1136
00:59:48,600 --> 00:59:52,320
Speaker 10: Absolutely have to go get him. So I think the

1137
00:59:52,360 --> 00:59:55,800
Speaker 10: passwords is improving. Yeah, I think we can afford that.

1138
00:59:56,120 --> 00:59:58,880
Speaker 2: So I'll put it the way I heard Jordan Reid

1139
00:59:58,880 --> 01:00:01,200
Speaker 2: on ESPN put it this morning. This is a top

1140
01:00:01,200 --> 01:00:05,320
Speaker 2: three player in the class. So obviously safeties typically don't

1141
01:00:05,320 --> 01:00:07,080
Speaker 2: go in the top ten. I think the most recent

1142
01:00:07,080 --> 01:00:10,280
Speaker 2: one was Jamal Adams, which would have been twenty seventeen

1143
01:00:10,360 --> 01:00:12,680
Speaker 2: or twenty eighteen off the top of my head. But

1144
01:00:12,760 --> 01:00:15,640
Speaker 2: if you have a player who number one satisfies what

1145
01:00:15,720 --> 01:00:19,040
Speaker 2: has been a long standing need and number one is

1146
01:00:19,200 --> 01:00:22,160
Speaker 2: or number two so good that you could legitimately grade

1147
01:00:22,240 --> 01:00:24,480
Speaker 2: him as the top two or three player in the class.

1148
01:00:24,840 --> 01:00:28,200
Speaker 2: And he's there at ten. If you don't take him,

1149
01:00:28,560 --> 01:00:31,760
Speaker 2: I wonder what Plan B is right, and I don't

1150
01:00:31,800 --> 01:00:35,040
Speaker 2: trust Plan B whatever it is, So for me, I

1151
01:00:35,040 --> 01:00:36,960
Speaker 2: would make it cut and dry. If there is a

1152
01:00:37,000 --> 01:00:40,360
Speaker 2: top three player on your board and you're drafting at ten, frankly,

1153
01:00:40,400 --> 01:00:43,240
Speaker 2: I don't care where he plays. Take the dude, and

1154
01:00:43,400 --> 01:00:46,600
Speaker 2: the good news is he plays a position that is badly,

1155
01:00:46,840 --> 01:00:48,400
Speaker 2: badly in need of an upgrade.

1156
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Speaker 10: Yeah, and you know, again to the path rush thing.

1157
01:00:54,520 --> 01:00:57,120
Speaker 10: First of all, quarterbacks are getting the ball out quicker

1158
01:00:57,200 --> 01:01:00,400
Speaker 10: than they ever have. Sacks they Oh, they're still a thing.

1159
01:01:00,840 --> 01:01:04,040
Speaker 10: Miles Garrett proved that. But a lot of what you're

1160
01:01:04,040 --> 01:01:08,160
Speaker 10: doing is just getting penetration, stopping to run and playing

1161
01:01:08,160 --> 01:01:12,439
Speaker 10: good defense on the back end. We didn't play good

1162
01:01:12,440 --> 01:01:15,040
Speaker 10: defense on the back end last year. So Caleb Downs

1163
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Speaker 10: has got to be the pick if he's there. If

1164
01:01:16,960 --> 01:01:22,720
Speaker 10: he's not there, i'd almost I mean maybe if one

1165
01:01:22,760 --> 01:01:22,880
Speaker 10: of the.

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Speaker 11: Like David Bailey he is there.

1167
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Speaker 10: But I just see I see Miles Murphy and Shamar

1168
01:01:28,320 --> 01:01:34,120
Speaker 10: Stewart being something, and I and I think Cedric Johnson's

1169
01:01:34,160 --> 01:01:35,840
Speaker 10: going to be something too. I mean, you know, that

1170
01:01:35,840 --> 01:01:38,080
Speaker 10: guy off the edge is really quick. I think I

1171
01:01:38,120 --> 01:01:43,200
Speaker 10: think we're okay there, but you know we we just can't.

1172
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Speaker 10: We can't screw this up.

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Speaker 3: No, you you're exactly right, Jim, Thank you. They were.

1174
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Speaker 2: They were historically bad against tight ends. You know, sometimes

1175
01:01:50,880 --> 01:01:54,280
Speaker 2: defense is as simple as make the tackle. Like I

1176
01:01:54,320 --> 01:01:56,640
Speaker 2: watched the Texans and I watched the Seahawks. I watched

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01:01:56,640 --> 01:01:59,919
Speaker 2: the Seahawks on on Saturday night against San Francisco, which

1178
01:02:00,000 --> 01:02:03,200
Speaker 2: the previous three games the Niners, despite all their injuries,

1179
01:02:03,880 --> 01:02:07,320
Speaker 2: had averaged like forty points a game. And yeah, you

1180
01:02:07,360 --> 01:02:10,080
Speaker 2: see good coverage, and yes you see pressure put on

1181
01:02:10,080 --> 01:02:13,280
Speaker 2: the quarterback. But more than anything, you just see the

1182
01:02:13,360 --> 01:02:17,720
Speaker 2: tackle made. Guys in the right position, ball is caught,

1183
01:02:18,360 --> 01:02:20,920
Speaker 2: guy with the ball is brought to the ground like

1184
01:02:21,800 --> 01:02:23,720
Speaker 2: something as simple as that. By the way, for what

1185
01:02:23,760 --> 01:02:26,720
Speaker 2: it's worth, Jordan reed I mentioned Caleb Downs in relation

1186
01:02:26,840 --> 01:02:30,560
Speaker 2: to his analysis this morning, and I will admit looking

1187
01:02:30,600 --> 01:02:32,800
Speaker 2: at mock drafts on January the sixth is not my

1188
01:02:32,880 --> 01:02:34,840
Speaker 2: favorite thing in the world. But he had the Bengals

1189
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Speaker 2: taking Caleb Downs number ten overall, and his point was, Look,

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01:02:38,160 --> 01:02:39,960
Speaker 2: there are gonna be folks who say you don't take

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Speaker 2: a safety in the top ten. No NFL team has

1192
01:02:42,240 --> 01:02:44,240
Speaker 2: taken a safety in the top ten since the Jets

1193
01:02:44,240 --> 01:02:47,200
Speaker 2: took Jamal Adams. It was twenty seventeen. He was taking

1194
01:02:47,200 --> 01:02:49,200
Speaker 2: sixth overall. But this is a top three to four

1195
01:02:49,240 --> 01:02:51,440
Speaker 2: player in this class. This is a guy who on

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01:02:51,640 --> 01:02:54,920
Speaker 2: many draft boards. When we talked about the folks who

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Speaker 2: study this closely, this is a dude who's the top

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Speaker 2: three or four player in the draft.

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Speaker 3: If he's there, you take them. Question is going to

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01:03:01,360 --> 01:03:02,880
Speaker 3: be is he going to be there at tenable? See?

1201
01:03:03,760 --> 01:03:06,520
Speaker 2: But yeah, Like they need to be better at the

1202
01:03:06,560 --> 01:03:10,240
Speaker 2: basics of defense, which starts at tackling. Caleb Downs is

1203
01:03:11,240 --> 01:03:15,000
Speaker 2: as good in coverage allowed three and a half yards

1204
01:03:15,040 --> 01:03:18,000
Speaker 2: per passing attempt and coverage this season, which was among

1205
01:03:18,040 --> 01:03:20,600
Speaker 2: the lowest and all of FBS college football. A short

1206
01:03:20,640 --> 01:03:25,960
Speaker 2: tackler like great instincts. They need help everywhere on defense.

1207
01:03:26,000 --> 01:03:28,080
Speaker 2: And so there are going to be very good cases

1208
01:03:28,120 --> 01:03:30,800
Speaker 2: made over the next three and a half months about

1209
01:03:30,920 --> 01:03:34,920
Speaker 2: edge rusher, three technique, linebacker, slock corner. And we're going

1210
01:03:34,960 --> 01:03:37,640
Speaker 2: to talk about all these players in free agency and

1211
01:03:38,240 --> 01:03:41,120
Speaker 2: in the draft. If you get to the draft and

1212
01:03:41,760 --> 01:03:46,720
Speaker 2: your safeties are Jordan Battle and then TBD and Caleb

1213
01:03:46,760 --> 01:03:49,520
Speaker 2: Downs is there and that's a big if, and you

1214
01:03:49,560 --> 01:03:53,480
Speaker 2: don't take them, What's Planned B? You know there were

1215
01:03:53,600 --> 01:03:56,800
Speaker 2: there Xavier Watts among others were players. We talked about

1216
01:03:56,800 --> 01:03:59,280
Speaker 2: the Bengals maybe being interested in its safety in the

1217
01:03:59,360 --> 01:04:02,640
Speaker 2: draft and when they didn't take them all throughout the

1218
01:04:02,640 --> 01:04:05,400
Speaker 2: tractor like cool, What's planned B? Will Plan B was genostone?

1219
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Speaker 2: Don't let Plan B be the twenty twenty six version

1220
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Speaker 2: of genostone.

1221
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Speaker 3: Let's talk sports and law next.

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Speaker 2: five from five o'clock. I'll get to sports headlines in

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Speaker 2: just a few minutes. I don't want to make our

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01:05:00,120 --> 01:05:03,760
Speaker 2: guy wait. Stuart Penrose. We added him to our show

1238
01:05:03,840 --> 01:05:07,160
Speaker 2: last week because I wanted an attorney. Not that I

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01:05:07,360 --> 01:05:12,200
Speaker 2: need an attorney at least right now, but you know,

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Speaker 2: the intersection of sports and law is something that we

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01:05:15,520 --> 01:05:18,120
Speaker 2: confront on nearly a weekly basis, and so I thought,

1242
01:05:18,160 --> 01:05:20,080
Speaker 2: you know what we should do is get Stewart on

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Speaker 2: the show on a weekly basis to answer questions about

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Speaker 2: sports and the law. He is with Manilo Law Group.

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Speaker 2: You can learn more at Manilolawgroup dot com. It is

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Speaker 2: awesome to have I wish you were in studio because

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01:05:32,080 --> 01:05:34,480
Speaker 2: I enjoyed having you at Oakley Green's last week. Nonetheless,

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01:05:34,480 --> 01:05:35,480
Speaker 2: it's good to have you as always.

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Speaker 3: How are you?

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Speaker 11: Thanks for having me as well?

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01:05:38,280 --> 01:05:38,400
Speaker 12: Moo.

1252
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Speaker 11: We also hope you don't need a lawyer anytime soon,

1253
01:05:40,840 --> 01:05:42,520
Speaker 11: but if you do, the Manila Law Group will help

1254
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Speaker 11: you out.

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Speaker 2: You're gonna be my guy, no question about that. Can

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Speaker 2: Taylor Britt has needed a legal representation five days in

1257
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Speaker 2: jail for traffic violations? Is this this sort of sentence

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Speaker 2: that is commensurate in your experience with something like this?

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Speaker 11: What his priors are My understanding is that he was

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01:06:02,880 --> 01:06:05,360
Speaker 11: driving without a license as well too, so he was

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01:06:05,480 --> 01:06:09,040
Speaker 11: likely so he was facing multiple charges if one of

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Speaker 11: these were an m one, and he was facing potentially

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Speaker 11: up to one hundred eighty days in jail. Now, that

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01:06:14,360 --> 01:06:18,000
Speaker 11: would be unusual to get something like that on a

1265
01:06:18,040 --> 01:06:22,120
Speaker 11: traffic violation. But if he's got priors, and you know,

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Speaker 11: it appears that he does, if he's driving without a license,

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Speaker 11: and it looks like he at least says some traffic

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Speaker 11: tickets just in Cincinnati in the past, So yes, it

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Speaker 11: does seem to be in line with what you might

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Speaker 11: expect for the circumstance.

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Speaker 2: Do you always if you get a five day jail sentence,

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Speaker 2: is that the sort of thing that you start immediately

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Speaker 2: like is the case here?

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Speaker 11: Typically speaking, yes, there can be a stay for whatever

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Speaker 11: the reason may be.

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Speaker 13: But typically yes, you.

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Speaker 2: Will find folks who say, look, I know folks who

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01:06:48,840 --> 01:06:50,560
Speaker 2: did things that are far more worse than this, and

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Speaker 2: they got no jail time and Cam's getting more.

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Speaker 3: What do you say to.

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Speaker 11: That, everything's dependent upon the circumstance. What's this person's prior record,

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01:06:58,760 --> 01:07:00,880
Speaker 11: what's there standing in the community, what are the optics

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01:07:00,920 --> 01:07:02,960
Speaker 11: of this? You know, he was driving through a crowd

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01:07:02,960 --> 01:07:06,120
Speaker 11: of people here, the optics were very poor and made

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01:07:06,200 --> 01:07:09,720
Speaker 11: bad public light for the city. Also, a lot of

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Speaker 11: it depends on the judge here you get in front of.

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Speaker 11: You know, he was put in front of a judge said,

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01:07:13,640 --> 01:07:15,840
Speaker 11: who's a bit tougher on crime? You know, who's known

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Speaker 11: as being a you know, a tougher judge in that

1290
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Speaker 11: that's not necessarily a bad thing or a good thing,

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Speaker 11: But you know who you're in front of can play

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Speaker 11: a big part of that as well too.

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Speaker 3: No question about that.

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Speaker 2: I want to ask you about what I think are

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Speaker 2: going to be two of the bigger sports law stories

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Speaker 2: in twenty twenty six, beginning with prediction markets. Now, I

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Speaker 2: like a good sports wager, a good traditional sports wager.

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Speaker 2: I have not dipped my toe into prediction markets. Prediction

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Speaker 2: markets are different than traditional betting. Traditional sports books are

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Speaker 2: not legal in every state. They're obviously legal here, the

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Speaker 2: legal in Kentucky. Prediction markets are legal everywhere, so oversight

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Speaker 2: of them is different. Than let's say a fan to

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Speaker 2: or a DraftKings or something like that. So start with that.

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Speaker 2: From a legal perspective, Why does the law look at

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Speaker 2: prediction markets differently compared to quote, traditional gambling websites.

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Speaker 11: Well, there's no there's no question that Kelsey and Polymarket

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Speaker 11: and you know, whatever have you. In terms of prediction

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Speaker 11: markets look and feel like sports betting. They just do.

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Speaker 11: But they're legally treated as something very different, and that

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Speaker 11: distinction is causing all the controversy. Basically, well, the law

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Speaker 11: classifies them not as gambling but as financial markets. They're

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Speaker 11: not regulated by the state. They're regulated federally by the CFTC,

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Speaker 11: the Commodity Futures Training Commission, and preempts most state laws.

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Speaker 11: The theory is that they serve an economic purpose forecasting

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Speaker 11: risk hedging, instead of pure entertainment.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 11: The key in this is that it's a financial instrument

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Speaker 11: quote unquote and not a wager.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So it's it's sort of views similar to, for

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Speaker 2: lack of a better way of putting it, does the

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Speaker 2: stock market.

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Speaker 11: Yes, it's regulated and very similar.

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Speaker 3: Okay.

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Speaker 2: Now you will have state You'll have folks at the

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Speaker 2: state level who say that Kelsey prediction markets that they

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Speaker 2: violate state laws by offering event contracts that mimic sports bets.

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Speaker 3: What what state laws would they be violating.

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Speaker 11: Well, it's not clear if they are, because it's because

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Speaker 11: it's registered federally with the Federal Commodities Regulator and it's

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Speaker 11: operating in a gray area that the law technically allows.

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Speaker 11: The real fight moll is and so much about legality,

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Speaker 11: it's what the regulator should sut down certain contracts as

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Speaker 11: a policy choice more than anything else. Like, for instance,

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Speaker 11: they do allow it as far as sports, they don't

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Speaker 11: allow it as far as elections, wars or assassinations. You

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Speaker 11: can't go on Kelsey and get an event contract for that,

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Speaker 11: although Kelsey is suing the Commission to try to allow

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Speaker 11: access an election.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I've seen that as as well.

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Speaker 2: That is and again, man, I like to make a

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Speaker 2: wager on football or basketball. I don't know that prediction

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Speaker 2: markets are within my intellectual grasp. Neither are collective bargaining agreements,

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Speaker 2: but we're going to have one here with baseball and

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Speaker 2: a lot of folks who follow that sport and love

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Speaker 2: it as much as I do. Talk about twenty twenty

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Speaker 2: six as the prelude to a lockout and maybe one

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Speaker 2: that impacts the actual games in twenty twenty seven. And

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Speaker 2: so I fear, as somebody who loves baseball as much

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Speaker 2: as I do, that the games themselves this season are

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Speaker 2: going to take a back seat to what's going on

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Speaker 2: in courts.

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Speaker 3: Is that a fair way of looking at things.

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Speaker 11: It is a fair way of looking at things. We

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Speaker 11: hope it doesn't get to the point where they were

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Speaker 11: at stops game moll A fun fact, I was at

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Speaker 11: the last Detroit Tiger game with my grandfather before the

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Speaker 11: nineteen ninety four strike. So we've seen it play out.

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Speaker 11: We've seen a World series canceled. Obviously that was the

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Speaker 11: new clear reaction. But yes, this is going to loom

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Speaker 11: over the season, and you know.

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Speaker 3: We all we're all going to open the best, all right.

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Speaker 2: So you'll hear a lot about the players union, the

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Speaker 2: players maybe desertifying the union or claiming that the union

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Speaker 2: really doesn't represent their interest, that sort of thing.

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Speaker 3: Right, how is that going to work?

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Speaker 11: Well, it's interesting, you know, as long as the players

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Speaker 11: union exists, this day's a labor fight and the owners

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Speaker 11: are mostly protected. But if the lockout drags on, as

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Speaker 11: you discussed. You know, the players have you know, essentially

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Speaker 11: a nuclear option. You know, they can get rid of

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Speaker 11: the union and then be able to sue them. I'll

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Speaker 11: be under anti trust law at that point. It's no

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Speaker 11: longer bargaining essentially as thirty owners of excuse of colluding

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Speaker 11: to control players pay and movement. You know that great

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Speaker 11: is real and we've seen it work and you know,

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Speaker 11: at least to some extense in the NFL back in

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Speaker 11: twenty eleven.

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Speaker 2: So we've had lockouts. We had a lockout in baseball

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Speaker 2: a few years ago. It didn't impact any games and

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Speaker 2: push bring training back. It was basically an off season lockout.

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Speaker 2: But if you have a lockout out and your boss

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Speaker 2: doesn't let you come to work, you can't use facilities,

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Speaker 2: you can't train on their property. I guess you can't

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Speaker 2: take advantage of, you know, the medical facilities provided to

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Speaker 2: you as you would if there wasn't a lockout. So

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Speaker 2: what legal rights would players have if they indeed are

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Speaker 2: locked out next winter?

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Speaker 11: Well, they can sue, but only if there's no union.

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Speaker 11: You know, once the union's gone mo the MLB loses

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Speaker 11: its legal shield under the Kurt Flatnacht that says that

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Speaker 11: Baseball doesn't get anti trust community for player employment, so

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Speaker 11: that they could sue, but they would have to decertify

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Speaker 11: the union in order to do it. This happened in

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Speaker 11: the NFL back in twenty eleven. There was a lockout.

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Speaker 11: Players de decertified the union. They sued the league and

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Speaker 11: they won an early court ruling. Eventually that got overturned,

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Speaker 11: but it worked in scaring the owners to make a

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Speaker 11: deal and no games were lost. So, I mean it

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Speaker 11: is a real threat. I mean it would be nuclear.

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Speaker 11: I mean, it's a threat that you pull out of

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Speaker 11: the holster, but you.

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Speaker 13: Don't want to fire.

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Speaker 11: You know, the longer the lockout lasts, the more credible

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Speaker 11: that director comes. But as a nuclear option, and if

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Speaker 11: something like this we're to drag on, it would completely

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Speaker 11: change the way that baseball operates. And you know how

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Speaker 11: feasible could it be if it continued to go down

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Speaker 11: a path like this? That's why ultimately settlements. But is

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Speaker 11: in everybody's best favor?

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Speaker 2: Could they do something where the CBA is supposed to

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Speaker 2: expire December first?

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Speaker 14: Could?

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Speaker 3: Could? They could? Could?

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Speaker 2: Could this scenario unfold where they negotiate and they make

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Speaker 2: progress and they go you know what we're not there yet.

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Speaker 2: We're not to the point that we want to draft

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Speaker 2: a new CBA, but we're progressing enough to the point

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Speaker 2: that we're not going to have a lockout. And so

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Speaker 2: we're not going to lock anybody out. But the CBA

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Speaker 2: is going to expire, but we're going to sort of

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Speaker 2: proceed as as business as usual in the absence of

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Speaker 2: a new CBA that we're going to get anyway, and

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Speaker 2: so we don't need a lockout.

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Speaker 11: Sure they could do that. They could do have a

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Speaker 11: short term you know, memorandum of understanding. They can continue

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Speaker 11: on under the current you know agreement while they final lot.

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Speaker 3: What they're doing.

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Speaker 11: Certainly they could do that makes sense everybody's economic interest

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Speaker 11: that that engine keeps moving.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Noah, well, said Stewart Penrose, Manilo Lawgroup, Manila Lawgroup

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Speaker 2: dot Com. Awesome stuff. We'll talk next week.

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Speaker 11: Thanks a lot.

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Speaker 3: I have a great week, you too. You're the man.

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Speaker 2: Stuart Penrose, Attorney, Manilo Lawgroup, Manilo Lawgroup dot Com. Quarter

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Speaker 2: to five five point three seven four nine fifteen thirty

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Speaker 2: is our phone number. We got to spend a few

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Speaker 2: minutes on the Bearcats. Lots on the Bengals. Uh, Duke

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Speaker 2: Tobin is back, Zach Taylor is back. Duke is going

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Speaker 2: to talk on Friday. What they did yesterday sent a

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Speaker 2: very clear message that I'm not sure they're going to

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01:14:40,280 --> 01:14:42,920
Speaker 2: explain away on Friday or at any point in the

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Speaker 2: not so distant future. That is coming up at five

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Speaker 2: oh five on ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati Sports Station.

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Speaker 7: Call five one three nine three nine two two sixty three.

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Speaker 7: That's nine three nine two two sixty three. Still looking

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Speaker 7: A fuel spill being reported alongside that crash on eastbound

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Speaker 7: two seventy five and Ohio slow traffic from Levenon Road

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Speaker 7: to seventy one and more slow traffic on southbound seventy

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Speaker 7: one from taff to Fort Washington Way on that ezelic

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Speaker 2: This report is sponsored by ay Alexa, who's out for

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Speaker 2: the season.

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Speaker 2: Eleven from five This is ESPN fifteen thirty. UC plays

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Speaker 2: West Virginia tonight at seven in Morgantown on seven hundred WLW.

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Speaker 2: The Bearcats lost on Saturday in a game where, yeah,

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Speaker 2: they they did some really good things. They defended, they

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01:15:54,760 --> 01:16:00,640
Speaker 2: played hard. I am. I give very little credit for

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01:16:00,640 --> 01:16:03,880
Speaker 2: playing hard. That is implied, especially in this program, but

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01:16:04,600 --> 01:16:08,320
Speaker 2: there was a level of toughness in that game that

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01:16:08,720 --> 01:16:11,320
Speaker 2: might have been absent from some of the previous thirteen.

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Speaker 2: They certainly defended at a decent level. The game, unfortunately,

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Speaker 2: followed a very familiar script this team, in particular on offense.

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Speaker 2: And when I say this team, it's been this team,

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Speaker 2: but it's also been this program for a while. They

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Speaker 2: have just had too many games in recent years, including

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Speaker 2: this one, where they just don't execute well enough down

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Speaker 2: the stretch. And it's been well documented what their issues

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01:16:35,640 --> 01:16:38,920
Speaker 2: were on Saturday, and the issue was they couldn't get

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Speaker 2: a shot off in the final three fifty two after

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Speaker 2: time in the game, at sixty turnovers, two miss free throws.

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Speaker 2: Just you can't win that way. If Tony and I

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Speaker 2: were talking about this, and so pardon me if you've

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Speaker 2: heard this prior, but.

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Speaker 3: You know you could look at that.

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Speaker 2: Performance and go, well, Houston's awesome. Final four caliber team

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Speaker 2: program that they were in the national title game last year.

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Speaker 2: They've they've kind of been a standard setter in whatever league.

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Speaker 2: The Bearcats have been in AAC or the Big twelve

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Speaker 2: for quite a while now, and so to go toe

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Speaker 2: to toe with that team that bodes well for what's next.

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Speaker 2: And there is something to that, except you got six losses. Like,

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Speaker 2: call it what it is. This is a season that

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Speaker 2: is undeemed a success by one thing, and one thing

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Speaker 2: only do the Bearcats make the NCAA tournament. They have

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Speaker 2: six losses, and so I think it would be easy

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Speaker 2: to kind of grasp onto the positives and cling to

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Speaker 2: them if that wasn't the sixth loss of the season,

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Speaker 2: if they hadn't lost to Eastern Michigan, if they hadn't

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Speaker 2: lost to Xavier, had they finished the game against Georgia,

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Speaker 2: had they not fallen flat on their face out of

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Speaker 2: the gates against Clemson. You can cling to positives in

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Speaker 2: games that you lose. I've done that. It's hard to

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Speaker 2: do when the losses are mounting. They have six of

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Speaker 2: them in a league filled with games that they are

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Speaker 2: going to face extremely difficult odds to win. So you know,

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Speaker 2: Wes Miller has said on a handful of occasions, we're close,

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Speaker 2: and we've shown why we're going to be a good team.

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Speaker 2: And he may be right, Pete damn well may be right,

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01:18:37,400 --> 01:18:40,760
Speaker 2: and some of the growing pains they've gone through over

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Speaker 2: the first two months of the season could pay off

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Speaker 2: with better performances in the final two months of the season.

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Speaker 2: It's entirely possible. But what works against them is the math.

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Speaker 2: By the time your team does get over the hump

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Speaker 2: by the team, by the time the team does show

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Speaker 2: that they're more than close, is it going to be

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Speaker 2: too late? And when your record is eight and six,

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01:19:06,360 --> 01:19:08,280
Speaker 2: the next two are on the road. They have in

1513
01:19:08,320 --> 01:19:11,080
Speaker 2: the coming weeks games on the road against Arizona and

1514
01:19:11,160 --> 01:19:16,200
Speaker 2: Iowa State, when the math matters more right now than

1515
01:19:16,240 --> 01:19:19,400
Speaker 2: whether or not they're close. And like, I could totally

1516
01:19:19,479 --> 01:19:22,479
Speaker 2: see the Bearcats winning a game or two that right

1517
01:19:22,520 --> 01:19:25,080
Speaker 2: now you look at and say they're not going to win.

1518
01:19:26,040 --> 01:19:28,640
Speaker 2: But by the time they do that, how meaningful is

1519
01:19:28,680 --> 01:19:30,960
Speaker 2: it going to be if you already have too many

1520
01:19:31,000 --> 01:19:36,920
Speaker 2: losses so they're already in must win territory. You hate

1521
01:19:36,960 --> 01:19:38,960
Speaker 2: to do that in early January, But when you're eight

1522
01:19:39,000 --> 01:19:42,720
Speaker 2: and six and when you're eight and six with a

1523
01:19:42,760 --> 01:19:45,719
Speaker 2: head coach who has never made the tournament and most

1524
01:19:45,880 --> 01:19:48,200
Speaker 2: look at this as a year where he has to

1525
01:19:48,240 --> 01:19:50,880
Speaker 2: make it. Really, all that matters is do you win?

1526
01:19:50,920 --> 01:19:53,759
Speaker 3: Do you lose? And not so much do you play

1527
01:19:53,840 --> 01:19:56,480
Speaker 3: hard and do you do some things.

1528
01:19:56,200 --> 01:19:58,400
Speaker 2: Well in a game that you lose, but what do

1529
01:19:58,439 --> 01:20:04,120
Speaker 2: you do to win it? And so that was my

1530
01:20:04,240 --> 01:20:07,719
Speaker 2: reaction to Saturday. And we'll see if they can play

1531
01:20:07,760 --> 01:20:09,960
Speaker 2: better now. I think the addition of Gisel James has

1532
01:20:09,960 --> 01:20:12,200
Speaker 2: been a net positive for this team.

1533
01:20:13,120 --> 01:20:14,040
Speaker 3: I do.

1534
01:20:14,280 --> 01:20:17,240
Speaker 2: I did love how they defended offensively, they still don't

1535
01:20:17,280 --> 01:20:19,320
Speaker 2: execute at a high enough level I think to count

1536
01:20:19,320 --> 01:20:23,040
Speaker 2: on them in hard games and road games in league

1537
01:20:23,040 --> 01:20:27,879
Speaker 2: play are hard games, like you know, again, like Wes,

1538
01:20:28,720 --> 01:20:33,439
Speaker 2: who I like a lot, But Wes on Saturday was

1539
01:20:34,000 --> 01:20:36,160
Speaker 2: trying to and has done this on a couple of

1540
01:20:36,200 --> 01:20:39,160
Speaker 2: different occasions this year, has tried to hammer home the

1541
01:20:39,200 --> 01:20:43,519
Speaker 2: positive and like I get it, fans are booing, people

1542
01:20:43,560 --> 01:20:46,080
Speaker 2: are pissed. I'm sure all the guys see the stuff

1543
01:20:46,080 --> 01:20:50,720
Speaker 2: that's on social media, but it rings hollow when the

1544
01:20:50,800 --> 01:20:56,160
Speaker 2: losses mounts, like you lose that game the way they did,

1545
01:20:56,680 --> 01:20:59,559
Speaker 2: even if it's like they lost to Louisville and they

1546
01:20:59,640 --> 01:21:02,760
Speaker 2: lost a Clemson lost to a good Georgia team, but

1547
01:21:02,840 --> 01:21:04,800
Speaker 2: they took care of business in the other two games

1548
01:21:04,840 --> 01:21:05,240
Speaker 2: they lost.

1549
01:21:07,040 --> 01:21:10,880
Speaker 3: Ike, you you walk away from that game.

1550
01:21:12,479 --> 01:21:14,800
Speaker 2: And you could talk about the positives, and you can

1551
01:21:14,840 --> 01:21:16,720
Speaker 2: talk about how they defended. You could talk about the

1552
01:21:16,760 --> 01:21:19,479
Speaker 2: grit that they played with. When it's lost number six,

1553
01:21:19,920 --> 01:21:23,240
Speaker 2: all of that's gonna ring hollow. So we'll see if

1554
01:21:23,280 --> 01:21:25,439
Speaker 2: they can achieve a different outcome tonight. We'll see UC

1555
01:21:25,560 --> 01:21:29,000
Speaker 2: in West Virginia tip off at seven o'clock tonight on

1556
01:21:29,120 --> 01:21:32,360
Speaker 2: seven hundred WLW five point three, seven four nine, fifteen

1557
01:21:32,439 --> 01:21:35,600
Speaker 2: thirty is our phone number. Duke Tobin is going to

1558
01:21:35,680 --> 01:21:38,000
Speaker 2: talk on Friday, by the way, Yes, you will hear

1559
01:21:38,040 --> 01:21:40,799
Speaker 2: that live on ESPN fifteen thirty.

1560
01:21:40,920 --> 01:21:41,719
Speaker 3: I don't know.

1561
01:21:43,520 --> 01:21:47,000
Speaker 2: That he can say anything that's gonna make anybody feel

1562
01:21:47,040 --> 01:21:50,559
Speaker 2: any better about the news the Bengals announced yesterday, which

1563
01:21:50,600 --> 01:21:52,599
Speaker 2: is obviously that he's going to come back.

1564
01:21:53,800 --> 01:21:56,160
Speaker 3: But I do think his perspective can be interesting.

1565
01:21:58,600 --> 01:22:00,360
Speaker 2: One of the things he can talk about, I'm sure

1566
01:22:00,400 --> 01:22:04,880
Speaker 2: will be asked about, is from your perspective, why did

1567
01:22:04,920 --> 01:22:07,599
Speaker 2: this go sideways this?

1568
01:22:08,000 --> 01:22:10,479
Speaker 3: Why did this team underachieve.

1569
01:22:09,960 --> 01:22:12,479
Speaker 2: Relative to what you thought it was gonna do this season,

1570
01:22:13,840 --> 01:22:17,480
Speaker 2: and from that, what lessons can you apply to what's ahead.

1571
01:22:18,360 --> 01:22:18,920
Speaker 3: We'll see.

1572
01:22:20,000 --> 01:22:21,760
Speaker 2: I think what they're going to have a really hard

1573
01:22:21,800 --> 01:22:25,640
Speaker 2: time doing, though, is cutting through a message that was

1574
01:22:25,720 --> 01:22:29,639
Speaker 2: sent very clearly yesterday. And sometimes in life you send

1575
01:22:29,680 --> 01:22:34,280
Speaker 2: messages that aren't necessarily intended, but they're delivered and they're

1576
01:22:34,280 --> 01:22:37,840
Speaker 2: received anyway. And I think that definitely happened yesterday, and

1577
01:22:38,360 --> 01:22:40,519
Speaker 2: I'm gonna harp on this more. I think the Bengals

1578
01:22:40,520 --> 01:22:43,080
Speaker 2: have a good offensive line. Duke Tobin, say what you

1579
01:22:43,080 --> 01:22:45,800
Speaker 2: want about him, whether it's Scott Peters, Zach Taylor, the

1580
01:22:45,800 --> 01:22:49,479
Speaker 2: front office. The offensive line in the second half of

1581
01:22:49,520 --> 01:22:53,160
Speaker 2: the season looked like one that was fixed. You have

1582
01:22:53,240 --> 01:22:56,080
Speaker 2: a player who is saying he wants to be here.

1583
01:22:56,800 --> 01:23:00,360
Speaker 2: He's not gonna cost all that much. He performed well

1584
01:23:00,400 --> 01:23:03,559
Speaker 2: at a position you've been struggling to fill. Don't make

1585
01:23:03,640 --> 01:23:06,439
Speaker 2: things more complicated this offseason. More on that coming up

1586
01:23:06,479 --> 01:23:10,519
Speaker 2: here in just a bit at Moeger on Twitter. Five one, three, seven,

1587
01:23:10,600 --> 01:23:12,880
Speaker 2: four nine, fifteen thirty is our phone number. It's coming

1588
01:23:12,960 --> 01:23:16,719
Speaker 2: up on five o'clock. This is ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati

1589
01:23:16,720 --> 01:23:17,320
Speaker 2: Sports station.

1590
01:23:18,040 --> 01:23:20,719
Speaker 6: Run a business and not thinking of I'm fifteen thirty.

1591
01:23:20,760 --> 01:23:23,479
Speaker 2: Here we go four minutes after five. This is ESPN

1592
01:23:23,520 --> 01:23:26,639
Speaker 2: fifteen thirty Moeger, thank you for listening. Sean Science. That's

1593
01:23:26,720 --> 01:23:31,080
Speaker 2: his tea newsletter in UH, just about fifteen minutes plus.

1594
01:23:31,800 --> 01:23:35,880
Speaker 2: I know most of us are tired of the Joe

1595
01:23:35,920 --> 01:23:40,360
Speaker 2: Burrows psychoanalysis. I am tired of the Joe Burrows psychoanalysis.

1596
01:23:40,400 --> 01:23:43,080
Speaker 2: The good news is there are no more Joe Burrow

1597
01:23:43,120 --> 01:23:45,599
Speaker 2: press conferences for a while. But that doesn't mean we

1598
01:23:45,600 --> 01:23:47,840
Speaker 2: shouldn't talk about where he's going to be a year

1599
01:23:47,880 --> 01:23:51,559
Speaker 2: from now. That coming up in just about thirty minutes,

1600
01:23:51,600 --> 01:23:53,760
Speaker 2: it's the bud Light five o'clock happy hour, thanks to

1601
01:23:53,840 --> 01:23:56,559
Speaker 2: our friends at bud Light. One of those sounds amazing

1602
01:23:56,600 --> 01:24:01,360
Speaker 2: right now, so does a throat Lozenger. Ah, your friend

1603
01:24:01,400 --> 01:24:04,519
Speaker 2: Moe is starting the year by playing hurt. I'm doing

1604
01:24:04,560 --> 01:24:07,840
Speaker 2: my best. I'm doing my best. Five point three seven,

1605
01:24:07,920 --> 01:24:10,360
Speaker 2: four nine, fifteen thirty is our phone number. More phone

1606
01:24:10,360 --> 01:24:15,800
Speaker 2: calls in UH in just a second. Sometimes you unintentionally

1607
01:24:15,840 --> 01:24:19,680
Speaker 2: send a message The Reds did not sign Kyle Schwarber.

1608
01:24:20,840 --> 01:24:24,240
Speaker 2: They may believe they tried their hardest. They may believe

1609
01:24:24,320 --> 01:24:26,519
Speaker 2: that they're going to be fine without Kyle Schwarber and

1610
01:24:26,720 --> 01:24:31,320
Speaker 2: instead signing dudes like JJ Bledet. They may have had

1611
01:24:31,479 --> 01:24:35,840
Speaker 2: every good reason for not overpaying Kyle Schwarber. There's been

1612
01:24:35,880 --> 01:24:38,519
Speaker 2: some reporting today by Bob Nightingale that they were actually

1613
01:24:38,520 --> 01:24:41,200
Speaker 2: willing to pay Kyle Schwarber more than the Phillies did.

1614
01:24:41,320 --> 01:24:44,640
Speaker 2: I think that is in reference to read to deferrals

1615
01:24:44,680 --> 01:24:48,160
Speaker 2: as much as anything else. But they sent a message.

1616
01:24:48,400 --> 01:24:50,519
Speaker 2: Might not have been the message they intended to send,

1617
01:24:51,400 --> 01:24:53,960
Speaker 2: but the message was sent for a lot of fans.

1618
01:24:54,760 --> 01:24:56,280
Speaker 3: We're not really serious about winning.

1619
01:24:57,960 --> 01:25:02,400
Speaker 2: That that may not be how but I could tell

1620
01:25:02,439 --> 01:25:07,679
Speaker 2: you that the message was, Okay, we're not really serious

1621
01:25:07,720 --> 01:25:12,960
Speaker 2: about winning. The Bengals announced yesterday that Duke Tobin and

1622
01:25:13,000 --> 01:25:17,720
Speaker 2: Zach Taylor are coming back. Now I've been consistent with

1623
01:25:17,760 --> 01:25:19,839
Speaker 2: this as it relates to Zach Taylor.

1624
01:25:20,520 --> 01:25:23,760
Speaker 3: I'm I'm kind of lukewarm. Like I genuinely do.

1625
01:25:23,760 --> 01:25:27,360
Speaker 2: Believe there are things that Zach doesn't get enough credit

1626
01:25:27,400 --> 01:25:29,799
Speaker 2: for that he should, and I've tried to outline them

1627
01:25:29,920 --> 01:25:32,080
Speaker 2: on a number of occasions throughout the years.

1628
01:25:31,840 --> 01:25:33,439
Speaker 3: On this show.

1629
01:25:34,200 --> 01:25:37,200
Speaker 2: If they moved on from him, okay, not moving on

1630
01:25:37,320 --> 01:25:42,160
Speaker 2: from him, eh, I think he has some positive attributes

1631
01:25:42,200 --> 01:25:44,559
Speaker 2: as a head coach. I wish you would step away

1632
01:25:44,560 --> 01:25:47,320
Speaker 2: from play calling because I think it could function more effectively.

1633
01:25:48,200 --> 01:25:50,360
Speaker 2: It doesn't bother me too much that he's the head coach,

1634
01:25:50,400 --> 01:25:55,479
Speaker 2: the Duke Tobin thing. I just there is a trust

1635
01:25:55,520 --> 01:25:59,599
Speaker 2: gap there. I don't understand how you could be as

1636
01:26:01,960 --> 01:26:04,920
Speaker 2: as misaligned, if that's the right word, as they were

1637
01:26:05,040 --> 01:26:09,760
Speaker 2: last offseason as it related to the defense. I don't

1638
01:26:09,800 --> 01:26:12,920
Speaker 2: know when you decide, Zach, you're going to hire a

1639
01:26:13,000 --> 01:26:15,679
Speaker 2: new coordinator and you bring the dude in. I don't

1640
01:26:15,720 --> 01:26:19,280
Speaker 2: understand how in the interview process you don't all arrive

1641
01:26:19,320 --> 01:26:21,120
Speaker 2: at a consensus as to what we need to do

1642
01:26:21,240 --> 01:26:23,240
Speaker 2: to attack the defense. That doesn't make any sense to me,

1643
01:26:23,280 --> 01:26:25,920
Speaker 2: And to me, that starts and ends with the front office,

1644
01:26:25,920 --> 01:26:29,880
Speaker 2: and Duke is the face of the front office to

1645
01:26:30,040 --> 01:26:33,280
Speaker 2: the degree that he's a public facing face, regardless of

1646
01:26:33,320 --> 01:26:35,240
Speaker 2: how you feel about it. I think the message was

1647
01:26:35,280 --> 01:26:42,120
Speaker 2: sent and this is now their brand. It's very very simple,

1648
01:26:42,160 --> 01:26:46,600
Speaker 2: and I think this is how this was received yesterday.

1649
01:26:47,720 --> 01:26:51,639
Speaker 2: The message is that falling short is fine. The message

1650
01:26:51,680 --> 01:26:56,880
Speaker 2: is that there's no accountability. The message is is not

1651
01:26:57,040 --> 01:27:02,800
Speaker 2: good enough? Is good enough? Certainly not the intended message,

1652
01:27:04,000 --> 01:27:08,880
Speaker 2: maybe not even a message that is being fairly interpreted,

1653
01:27:10,000 --> 01:27:15,680
Speaker 2: but it's the message. And regardless of how this offseason unfolds,

1654
01:27:16,320 --> 01:27:19,120
Speaker 2: regardless of what they do in free agency, regardless of

1655
01:27:19,160 --> 01:27:22,240
Speaker 2: how they handle the draft, regardless of how they handle

1656
01:27:22,280 --> 01:27:28,200
Speaker 2: contract negotiations with players who they should extend, they're going

1657
01:27:28,280 --> 01:27:31,519
Speaker 2: to have a hard time until September cutting through that

1658
01:27:31,600 --> 01:27:38,240
Speaker 2: message that there's no accountability and that falling short is fine.

1659
01:27:40,960 --> 01:27:44,360
Speaker 2: They may end up being proved. It may end up

1660
01:27:44,400 --> 01:27:47,679
Speaker 2: being proven that the Bengals got it right, that bringing

1661
01:27:47,720 --> 01:27:50,240
Speaker 2: back Zach was the right thing, that bringing Duke back

1662
01:27:50,320 --> 01:27:53,240
Speaker 2: was the right thing, and maybe they have this great

1663
01:27:53,320 --> 01:27:57,479
Speaker 2: working relationship where there's alignment and everybody's on the same page,

1664
01:27:57,600 --> 01:28:02,080
Speaker 2: and maybe the results will be far better than they

1665
01:28:02,080 --> 01:28:04,559
Speaker 2: have been even when they were, you know, getting to

1666
01:28:04,600 --> 01:28:05,120
Speaker 2: the Super Bowl.

1667
01:28:06,439 --> 01:28:07,040
Speaker 3: Maybe.

1668
01:28:08,200 --> 01:28:13,400
Speaker 2: But until then, they wrote down in black magic marker

1669
01:28:13,960 --> 01:28:17,679
Speaker 2: the brand for the foreseeable future, falling short is fine

1670
01:28:18,920 --> 01:28:25,240
Speaker 2: and there's no accountability here. You could be a proponent

1671
01:28:25,320 --> 01:28:28,719
Speaker 2: of bringing Duke and Zach back, and I don't think

1672
01:28:28,760 --> 01:28:32,920
Speaker 2: you can quarrel with what I just said. The message

1673
01:28:33,080 --> 01:28:36,000
Speaker 2: is that falling short is fine and there's no accountability.

1674
01:28:36,680 --> 01:28:40,360
Speaker 2: We'll see, we'll see if they change it until then,

1675
01:28:40,920 --> 01:28:44,840
Speaker 2: they're gonna have a really hard time. And when they change,

1676
01:28:44,880 --> 01:28:47,320
Speaker 2: it's not gonna happen until after they started playing football

1677
01:28:47,320 --> 01:28:48,320
Speaker 2: games in nine months.

1678
01:28:49,800 --> 01:28:52,840
Speaker 3: Let's see here, can somebody talk more clearly than I? Mike?

1679
01:28:52,920 --> 01:28:55,080
Speaker 3: You're on ESPN fifteen thirty. Mike, how are you?

1680
01:28:56,280 --> 01:28:58,080
Speaker 11: Wow? I haven't talked to you in about a month.

1681
01:28:58,200 --> 01:28:58,240
Speaker 5: Know.

1682
01:28:58,439 --> 01:28:59,360
Speaker 11: How are you doing? Buddy?

1683
01:28:59,400 --> 01:29:01,760
Speaker 3: Oh Man? Good? Happy New Year. It's good to hear

1684
01:29:01,760 --> 01:29:02,920
Speaker 3: your voice. How's everything.

1685
01:29:04,800 --> 01:29:08,479
Speaker 15: Uh, Well, we got a little masthetizing to the liver now,

1686
01:29:08,640 --> 01:29:11,120
Speaker 15: so we're fighting that. But we're gonna fight the fight,

1687
01:29:11,320 --> 01:29:15,280
Speaker 15: and that's what we do both I will yeah. Well,

1688
01:29:15,439 --> 01:29:19,320
Speaker 15: and it's thanks to shows like you and and Tony

1689
01:29:19,439 --> 01:29:22,759
Speaker 15: that helped me a lot. So I'm very grateful to you.

1690
01:29:22,840 --> 01:29:25,400
Speaker 2: Well, that's why we're here. What is on your mind

1691
01:29:25,400 --> 01:29:26,320
Speaker 2: that is sports related?

1692
01:29:26,360 --> 01:29:28,759
Speaker 3: Mike, Let's talk quite a bit.

1693
01:29:30,760 --> 01:29:36,040
Speaker 11: To fall along on the baseball potential lockout. What is

1694
01:29:36,080 --> 01:29:40,519
Speaker 11: your feeling? Okay, so explain to me what the beef is.

1695
01:29:40,600 --> 01:29:43,080
Speaker 11: What is the beaf the bottom line beef.

1696
01:29:44,040 --> 01:29:47,800
Speaker 2: That that will cause the lockout? Yeah, the owners want

1697
01:29:47,840 --> 01:29:49,400
Speaker 2: a salary cap and the players don't.

1698
01:29:51,320 --> 01:29:53,599
Speaker 11: Okay, well, the owners will probably lose.

1699
01:29:54,200 --> 01:29:57,519
Speaker 3: I don't know they've wanted, they've they've I know.

1700
01:29:57,439 --> 01:29:59,400
Speaker 11: What you want, you don't want a salary cap.

1701
01:29:59,640 --> 01:30:05,120
Speaker 2: Well, as a philosophical From a philosophical standpoint, I am

1702
01:30:05,120 --> 01:30:07,720
Speaker 2: not opposed to anything, all right. I am opposed to

1703
01:30:07,800 --> 01:30:10,639
Speaker 2: anything that puts a cap on what people can get

1704
01:30:10,680 --> 01:30:11,559
Speaker 2: on the open market.

1705
01:30:12,080 --> 01:30:13,200
Speaker 3: Just call it a.

1706
01:30:13,120 --> 01:30:15,880
Speaker 2: Capitalist whatever you want. I am opposed to anything that

1707
01:30:16,000 --> 01:30:19,960
Speaker 2: puts a hard cap on what any one person can earn,

1708
01:30:20,520 --> 01:30:24,599
Speaker 2: or what any group of people can earn. That said, okay, fine,

1709
01:30:24,760 --> 01:30:29,599
Speaker 2: what I've not heard is owners one a salary cap.

1710
01:30:30,040 --> 01:30:32,559
Speaker 2: I've not heard what they're going to give in return

1711
01:30:32,600 --> 01:30:34,280
Speaker 2: the players actually want.

1712
01:30:36,240 --> 01:30:38,559
Speaker 11: Yeah, and you're a free market guy, there's no question

1713
01:30:38,680 --> 01:30:39,080
Speaker 11: about that.

1714
01:30:39,840 --> 01:30:40,040
Speaker 3: Yep.

1715
01:30:40,400 --> 01:30:42,840
Speaker 2: Totally a free market guy. Completely a free market guy.

1716
01:30:42,880 --> 01:30:44,639
Speaker 2: So like, all right, we're going to do a salary cap.

1717
01:30:44,680 --> 01:30:47,760
Speaker 2: And I don't believe salary caps are designed for a competitiveness.

1718
01:30:48,080 --> 01:30:51,360
Speaker 2: I think salarycaps are designed to keep salaries down. But

1719
01:30:51,400 --> 01:30:54,559
Speaker 2: if you want to say baseball needs one because smaller

1720
01:30:54,600 --> 01:30:57,160
Speaker 2: market teams can't compete, okay, cool. Number one, what are

1721
01:30:57,160 --> 01:30:58,800
Speaker 2: you going to do to break the players union? Which

1722
01:30:58,800 --> 01:31:01,480
Speaker 2: has never happened? This will not be the first work stoppage.

1723
01:31:01,800 --> 01:31:04,360
Speaker 2: We had one in seventy two, we had one in

1724
01:31:04,439 --> 01:31:06,519
Speaker 2: eighty one, we had a brief one in eighty five,

1725
01:31:06,600 --> 01:31:08,559
Speaker 2: we had one in ninety we had obviously the one

1726
01:31:08,560 --> 01:31:10,840
Speaker 2: in ninety four and ninety five, We nearly had one

1727
01:31:10,880 --> 01:31:13,040
Speaker 2: in two thousand and two, and we had one three

1728
01:31:13,080 --> 01:31:16,599
Speaker 2: years ago. And in every instance, the players don't cave.

1729
01:31:17,160 --> 01:31:18,760
Speaker 2: So what are the owners going to do to get

1730
01:31:18,760 --> 01:31:21,160
Speaker 2: the players to cave? And So if you want to

1731
01:31:21,160 --> 01:31:25,000
Speaker 2: say baseball needs a salarycap, my if i'm if I'm

1732
01:31:25,040 --> 01:31:28,080
Speaker 2: representing the players, what I always say is, that's cool,

1733
01:31:28,120 --> 01:31:31,759
Speaker 2: give me earlier free agency. So if you had earlier

1734
01:31:31,800 --> 01:31:35,360
Speaker 2: free agency, let's say players can be free agents after

1735
01:31:35,400 --> 01:31:36,000
Speaker 2: four years.

1736
01:31:36,160 --> 01:31:36,679
Speaker 3: That's cool.

1737
01:31:36,760 --> 01:31:38,640
Speaker 2: Now, Ellie Dela Cruz can walk at the end of

1738
01:31:38,680 --> 01:31:39,160
Speaker 2: the season.

1739
01:31:41,640 --> 01:31:46,280
Speaker 11: Yep, you're right, that's exactly the way. You know. Check

1740
01:31:46,320 --> 01:31:49,960
Speaker 11: this out real quick, just to give an example of

1741
01:31:49,960 --> 01:31:55,959
Speaker 11: how baseball has really exploded, in my opinion. In nineteen

1742
01:31:56,120 --> 01:31:59,559
Speaker 11: ninety seven, the Dodgers were sold by the O'Malley family

1743
01:31:59,720 --> 01:32:03,760
Speaker 11: for three hundred and fifty million dollars. The current the

1744
01:32:03,840 --> 01:32:07,679
Speaker 11: current value of the Dodgers is eight point three billion

1745
01:32:08,640 --> 01:32:11,800
Speaker 11: and their revenue last year MO was three hundred and

1746
01:32:11,880 --> 01:32:15,200
Speaker 11: fifty million dollars.

1747
01:32:15,880 --> 01:32:16,120
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1748
01:32:17,520 --> 01:32:19,519
Speaker 11: I mean that's incredible, isn't it. I mean, that's aught

1749
01:32:19,920 --> 01:32:21,320
Speaker 11: that blows my mind.

1750
01:32:22,000 --> 01:32:25,280
Speaker 2: None, none of these none of these owners are losing money.

1751
01:32:25,640 --> 01:32:30,160
Speaker 2: Franchise valuations have skyrocketed, none of these owners are losing money.

1752
01:32:30,160 --> 01:32:32,120
Speaker 3: Again, Like, if you want to tell.

1753
01:32:31,920 --> 01:32:38,400
Speaker 2: Me there's an economic disparity between teams like the Reds

1754
01:32:38,400 --> 01:32:41,360
Speaker 2: and teams like the Dodgers, I'll certainly acknowledge that you

1755
01:32:41,439 --> 01:32:45,160
Speaker 2: still have owners across a lot of different markets who

1756
01:32:45,240 --> 01:32:47,840
Speaker 2: decide to not even try to win, who decide to

1757
01:32:47,840 --> 01:32:50,400
Speaker 2: not even try to make their teams better. I don't

1758
01:32:50,400 --> 01:32:52,120
Speaker 2: know that a salary cap is going to fix that.

1759
01:32:52,439 --> 01:32:54,720
Speaker 2: I don't know that a salary floor is going to

1760
01:32:54,720 --> 01:32:55,080
Speaker 2: fix that.

1761
01:32:56,080 --> 01:32:56,400
Speaker 10: Uh.

1762
01:32:56,479 --> 01:32:57,560
Speaker 3: And again, what I what?

1763
01:32:57,720 --> 01:33:00,719
Speaker 2: I never hear. I hear a lot of fans. I'm

1764
01:33:00,760 --> 01:33:02,680
Speaker 2: in the minority. I hear a lot of fans say, well,

1765
01:33:02,720 --> 01:33:06,080
Speaker 2: I want a salary cap, but I've yet to hear

1766
01:33:06,800 --> 01:33:10,200
Speaker 2: what they would be willing to give up in return

1767
01:33:10,240 --> 01:33:13,840
Speaker 2: in order to get it. And the same applies to owners.

1768
01:33:14,400 --> 01:33:18,799
Speaker 11: Yep, moving on to the NBA, one of your favorites.

1769
01:33:19,360 --> 01:33:21,760
Speaker 11: I want to talk about the Bearcats, but I've just

1770
01:33:22,120 --> 01:33:25,200
Speaker 11: I'm broken hearted with that whole scenario, so I can't

1771
01:33:25,240 --> 01:33:31,160
Speaker 11: even hardly talk about it. But I think Caid Cunningham, Oh,

1772
01:33:31,840 --> 01:33:34,880
Speaker 11: he's not going to win the MVP, but Kate Cunningham,

1773
01:33:35,080 --> 01:33:37,559
Speaker 11: if he keeps going at this clip, should at least

1774
01:33:37,640 --> 01:33:41,120
Speaker 11: get a few votes. I mean, this guy is something else.

1775
01:33:41,439 --> 01:33:44,799
Speaker 2: He's awesome, and I watched him firsthand against my beloved

1776
01:33:44,880 --> 01:33:47,080
Speaker 2: Knicks last night. Now, the Knicks don't play any defense,

1777
01:33:47,120 --> 01:33:50,320
Speaker 2: but Kay Cunningham, I don't think people realize how good

1778
01:33:50,360 --> 01:33:53,360
Speaker 2: Detroit is, right. I don't think people realize right now

1779
01:33:53,360 --> 01:33:55,760
Speaker 2: they're the one seed in the East. And he you know,

1780
01:33:55,840 --> 01:33:57,840
Speaker 2: last night he was twenty nine to thirteen. He was

1781
01:33:57,920 --> 01:33:59,800
Speaker 2: loading the load in the postseason last year.

1782
01:33:59,840 --> 01:34:00,240
Speaker 1: He is.

1783
01:34:00,400 --> 01:34:01,040
Speaker 3: He is awesome.

1784
01:34:01,080 --> 01:34:08,160
Speaker 11: Mike Big twelve graduate from Oklahoma State. Yes, in their center,

1785
01:34:08,200 --> 01:34:10,599
Speaker 11: they got an up and coming center. I forget how

1786
01:34:10,600 --> 01:34:13,559
Speaker 11: to pronounce his name. And then they got almost like

1787
01:34:13,600 --> 01:34:16,920
Speaker 11: a Ben Wallace type guy with that Ian Stewart at

1788
01:34:17,040 --> 01:34:21,960
Speaker 11: the kind of power forward thing is Isaiah Stewart. They're

1789
01:34:21,960 --> 01:34:26,840
Speaker 11: pretty tough, moving on really quick. Oakland mentioned today that

1790
01:34:26,960 --> 01:34:31,880
Speaker 11: Oakland it can't or the Las Vegas A's can't use

1791
01:34:31,920 --> 01:34:33,960
Speaker 11: the logo now because there's a patent on it. Do

1792
01:34:33,960 --> 01:34:34,559
Speaker 11: you hear about that?

1793
01:34:34,880 --> 01:34:35,280
Speaker 3: I did not.

1794
01:34:37,040 --> 01:34:40,479
Speaker 11: Yeah, it's hung up now in court that Las Vegas

1795
01:34:40,520 --> 01:34:45,360
Speaker 11: cannot call themselves the A's, uh until this patent thing

1796
01:34:45,400 --> 01:34:49,639
Speaker 11: gets rectified. Now, almost guarantee you whoever made whoever got

1797
01:34:49,680 --> 01:34:52,000
Speaker 11: that patent years and years ago, because there's a deep

1798
01:34:52,000 --> 01:34:55,880
Speaker 11: patriots in Opland for the departure of the Raiders and

1799
01:34:56,000 --> 01:34:59,200
Speaker 11: the A's that somebody from Oakland probably filed that patent.

1800
01:34:59,280 --> 01:35:02,679
Speaker 3: I would guess, we'll see. I was not aware, Mike,

1801
01:35:02,760 --> 01:35:04,720
Speaker 3: I got a run man. Thank you as always.

1802
01:35:05,479 --> 01:35:07,599
Speaker 11: Hey, real quick, just one more thing, please, please?

1803
01:35:07,680 --> 01:35:08,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, real quick?

1804
01:35:08,520 --> 01:35:11,440
Speaker 11: Was it the coolest thing in the college football playoffs

1805
01:35:11,439 --> 01:35:14,640
Speaker 11: so far? The announcement that the offensive line for the

1806
01:35:14,640 --> 01:35:17,800
Speaker 11: Indiana Hoosiers was named the MVP and their last one. Well,

1807
01:35:17,880 --> 01:35:18,960
Speaker 11: that's the coolest thing.

1808
01:35:19,360 --> 01:35:21,599
Speaker 2: That in Indiana winning the way they did. I could

1809
01:35:21,600 --> 01:35:25,479
Speaker 2: not agree more, Mike, Thank you, thanks mo. ESPN's Adam

1810
01:35:25,520 --> 01:35:28,519
Speaker 2: Schefter reports that John Harbaugh is out as the head

1811
01:35:28,520 --> 01:35:31,439
Speaker 2: coach of the Baltimore Ravens. John Harbaugh can't not give

1812
01:35:31,479 --> 01:35:34,080
Speaker 2: it to Derek Henry anymore. He is out as the

1813
01:35:34,080 --> 01:35:36,000
Speaker 2: head coach of the Baltimore Ravens. We'll see if he

1814
01:35:37,120 --> 01:35:41,360
Speaker 2: resurfaces as a head coach. In twenty twenty six, Sean

1815
01:35:41,439 --> 01:35:42,599
Speaker 2: sayed Statson's scheme.

1816
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Speaker 3: Next ESPN fifteen thirty.

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Speaker 3: Twenty two minutes after five o'clock. This is ESPN fifteen thirty. Moiger,

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Speaker 3: Thank you for listening today.

1829
01:36:26,840 --> 01:36:29,920
Speaker 2: Again, John Harball out as the head coach of the

1830
01:36:29,960 --> 01:36:34,000
Speaker 2: Baltimore Ravens. They will be looking for their third head

1831
01:36:34,000 --> 01:36:38,400
Speaker 2: coach this century. More on that coming up in just

1832
01:36:38,479 --> 01:36:41,120
Speaker 2: a bit. We were joined every Tuesday during this football

1833
01:36:41,160 --> 01:36:44,559
Speaker 2: season by our friend Sean Sayed from sumer sports dot com.

1834
01:36:45,000 --> 01:36:47,760
Speaker 2: He one of the authors of the Stats and Scheme newsletter,

1835
01:36:47,760 --> 01:36:49,519
Speaker 2: and he's with us to put a bow on the

1836
01:36:49,640 --> 01:36:51,320
Speaker 2: twenty twenty five Bengal season.

1837
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Speaker 3: Hi, Sean, No, I.

1838
01:36:53,840 --> 01:36:55,880
Speaker 14: Mean I hope I don't get fired during this call.

1839
01:36:55,880 --> 01:36:57,960
Speaker 14: Literally a few seconds before I get on, we get

1840
01:36:57,960 --> 01:37:00,719
Speaker 14: the harbor One news. That is a that is time news.

1841
01:37:00,760 --> 01:37:02,960
Speaker 14: Maybe not the coach that people thought in the division

1842
01:37:03,000 --> 01:37:06,280
Speaker 14: would get fired, but that's pretty big time and really

1843
01:37:06,280 --> 01:37:07,000
Speaker 14: an interesting thing.

1844
01:37:07,280 --> 01:37:09,439
Speaker 2: I think there's a lot of folks who going into

1845
01:37:09,479 --> 01:37:11,760
Speaker 2: the weekend might have acknowledged that if the Ravens lose

1846
01:37:11,760 --> 01:37:14,400
Speaker 2: to Pittsburgh, maybe Harball loses his gig, but would have

1847
01:37:14,439 --> 01:37:16,920
Speaker 2: said that the coach more likely to get let go

1848
01:37:17,200 --> 01:37:20,040
Speaker 2: among the three others in the division is not John

1849
01:37:20,080 --> 01:37:21,519
Speaker 2: Harball and not Mike Tomlin.

1850
01:37:21,600 --> 01:37:22,599
Speaker 3: But maybe He'szac Taylor.

1851
01:37:23,800 --> 01:37:26,479
Speaker 11: Yeah, and you know, I like you in Baltimore.

1852
01:37:26,520 --> 01:37:29,200
Speaker 14: It's interesting, is it a situation where you have to

1853
01:37:29,240 --> 01:37:31,519
Speaker 14: choose the quarterback or the head coach? And like that's

1854
01:37:31,560 --> 01:37:34,719
Speaker 14: really kind of how things wanted to go. Just seeing

1855
01:37:34,760 --> 01:37:37,000
Speaker 14: some of the leaks about, oh, this is a problem

1856
01:37:37,080 --> 01:37:39,840
Speaker 14: with Lamar Jackson going around around kind of in the

1857
01:37:39,880 --> 01:37:41,599
Speaker 14: locker room, so really interesting.

1858
01:37:41,680 --> 01:37:44,240
Speaker 13: And I don't know, part of me thinks, would.

1859
01:37:44,040 --> 01:37:46,519
Speaker 14: You rather be a year too early or a year

1860
01:37:46,560 --> 01:37:49,639
Speaker 14: too late on some of these moves? And I guess

1861
01:37:49,680 --> 01:37:53,960
Speaker 14: when you have a quarterback that has MVP capabilities, I

1862
01:37:53,960 --> 01:37:56,120
Speaker 14: guess I lean towards just being too early. Like to

1863
01:37:56,360 --> 01:37:59,320
Speaker 14: waste the whole season of an MVP quarterback's kind of

1864
01:37:59,560 --> 01:38:02,080
Speaker 14: career is kind of a bummer. So I'm interested to

1865
01:38:02,120 --> 01:38:04,000
Speaker 14: see who lands there. I think you start to think

1866
01:38:04,040 --> 01:38:05,960
Speaker 14: about our is jesse Mincher going to be the person there?

1867
01:38:06,000 --> 01:38:07,080
Speaker 13: He has Baltimore ties?

1868
01:38:07,280 --> 01:38:09,519
Speaker 14: Do they want to go with totally a fresh direction?

1869
01:38:09,720 --> 01:38:12,839
Speaker 14: But a lot of issues going on in the division.

1870
01:38:13,040 --> 01:38:15,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, if there's one thing we know a lot about here, Sean,

1871
01:38:15,680 --> 01:38:18,280
Speaker 2: it's wasting MVP caliber seasons from a quarterback.

1872
01:38:19,120 --> 01:38:23,160
Speaker 14: Well, I mean, you know, I'm of course sad that

1873
01:38:23,240 --> 01:38:25,240
Speaker 14: it's the last time that we get to talk about

1874
01:38:25,280 --> 01:38:27,840
Speaker 14: a week this season, but I'm not sad to not

1875
01:38:28,000 --> 01:38:29,680
Speaker 14: think about that for a little bit because it is

1876
01:38:29,720 --> 01:38:32,080
Speaker 14: a little bit of a bummer. And you look at all, right, now,

1877
01:38:32,320 --> 01:38:35,200
Speaker 14: you have some people available in terms of often coordinators,

1878
01:38:35,240 --> 01:38:36,640
Speaker 14: in terms of I don't know. Do you like it,

1879
01:38:36,720 --> 01:38:39,479
Speaker 14: Kevin Zebanski, do you like to clink kubiak? I'm interested

1880
01:38:39,520 --> 01:38:41,240
Speaker 14: to see where some of those guys land. And then,

1881
01:38:41,280 --> 01:38:44,120
Speaker 14: you know, is it a situation where since like Zach

1882
01:38:44,200 --> 01:38:44,920
Speaker 14: Keller gets one.

1883
01:38:44,840 --> 01:38:48,080
Speaker 13: More year, and then it's like really really, you know,

1884
01:38:48,120 --> 01:38:50,000
Speaker 13: if you're not improving, if we're not moving in the

1885
01:38:50,080 --> 01:38:51,559
Speaker 13: right direction, then move has to be made.

1886
01:38:52,320 --> 01:38:55,040
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, well we get the status quo here, Sean,

1887
01:38:55,160 --> 01:38:58,360
Speaker 2: So it's it's what we're used to here. Can they

1888
01:38:58,560 --> 01:39:01,840
Speaker 2: go this entire offseat and get away with not even

1889
01:39:01,920 --> 01:39:02,799
Speaker 2: touching the offense?

1890
01:39:04,840 --> 01:39:06,680
Speaker 14: I mean, I still I always think, you know, it's

1891
01:39:06,720 --> 01:39:08,960
Speaker 14: not going to hurt to add pieces along the offensive line.

1892
01:39:10,760 --> 01:39:13,479
Speaker 13: I mean, I'm also a believer in like you need

1893
01:39:13,840 --> 01:39:14,360
Speaker 13: you don't.

1894
01:39:14,240 --> 01:39:16,519
Speaker 14: Just need two good receivers, you actually need three fortty

1895
01:39:16,560 --> 01:39:18,920
Speaker 14: good receivers. But even adding in just just a depth

1896
01:39:18,960 --> 01:39:20,639
Speaker 14: spiece in the wide receiver room, you know that I'm

1897
01:39:20,640 --> 01:39:23,160
Speaker 14: always going to be comfortable with Chase Brown there, so

1898
01:39:23,479 --> 01:39:26,080
Speaker 14: offensive line that death piece in terms of the wide

1899
01:39:26,120 --> 01:39:29,920
Speaker 14: receiver room, like that's still your clearest path to success

1900
01:39:30,000 --> 01:39:32,800
Speaker 14: and having like a repeatable offense that is able to

1901
01:39:32,880 --> 01:39:34,880
Speaker 14: kind of go year over year. I was a little

1902
01:39:34,880 --> 01:39:36,840
Speaker 14: surprised that Al Golden also ended up.

1903
01:39:36,840 --> 01:39:39,320
Speaker 13: I guess it sounds like he's being held over for

1904
01:39:39,560 --> 01:39:43,400
Speaker 13: another year as well. So well, it can't get worse, right,

1905
01:39:43,479 --> 01:39:46,040
Speaker 13: you really can't. I know that's the famous last word.

1906
01:39:46,200 --> 01:39:48,040
Speaker 14: But like it has to be able to move in

1907
01:39:48,120 --> 01:39:51,080
Speaker 14: the right direction on defense, So if all the resources

1908
01:39:51,120 --> 01:39:53,200
Speaker 14: are plugged into the defense, you know, I wouldn't be

1909
01:39:53,240 --> 01:39:54,040
Speaker 14: super mad about it.

1910
01:39:54,280 --> 01:39:56,920
Speaker 2: No, I would either. Now you said something that I

1911
01:39:56,960 --> 01:39:58,680
Speaker 2: would disagree. I've been a fan of this team for

1912
01:39:58,800 --> 01:39:59,360
Speaker 2: forty years.

1913
01:39:59,760 --> 01:40:00,080
Speaker 3: Show on.

1914
01:40:01,040 --> 01:40:03,280
Speaker 2: It could always get worse, Okay, it could. It could

1915
01:40:03,400 --> 01:40:06,000
Speaker 2: all there's always something lurking around the corner. It could

1916
01:40:06,080 --> 01:40:07,040
Speaker 2: always get worse.

1917
01:40:09,000 --> 01:40:12,360
Speaker 14: It's tough, you know, Like I'm I always like though

1918
01:40:12,400 --> 01:40:14,200
Speaker 14: the arc of the season where season's over.

1919
01:40:14,320 --> 01:40:15,760
Speaker 13: Yes, someone's going to Super Bowl, but.

1920
01:40:16,040 --> 01:40:18,360
Speaker 14: People start getting excited, you know, it gets to April,

1921
01:40:18,400 --> 01:40:20,559
Speaker 14: it gets to that. You know, through the preseason, everyone

1922
01:40:20,560 --> 01:40:22,320
Speaker 14: thinks that they're gonna win the Super Bowl in the preseason.

1923
01:40:22,400 --> 01:40:24,120
Speaker 13: So hope, hope springs eternal here.

1924
01:40:24,280 --> 01:40:27,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, when when you watch the Bengals on defense, I

1925
01:40:27,120 --> 01:40:29,040
Speaker 2: think one of the things that did happen this year

1926
01:40:29,439 --> 01:40:32,040
Speaker 2: is they ended up being okay, on the outside at

1927
01:40:32,120 --> 01:40:34,800
Speaker 2: corner with Dax Hill and DJ Turner. Can you build

1928
01:40:34,800 --> 01:40:35,639
Speaker 2: around those two guys?

1929
01:40:36,640 --> 01:40:37,160
Speaker 13: I think you can.

1930
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Speaker 14: You know, you're starting to build positive pieces. Like I

1931
01:40:39,840 --> 01:40:42,360
Speaker 14: when I think of the pass rush versus coverage, I

1932
01:40:42,640 --> 01:40:45,639
Speaker 14: generally lean towards pass rush just because you can cover

1933
01:40:45,760 --> 01:40:48,240
Speaker 14: a guy for two full seconds. By two and a

1934
01:40:48,280 --> 01:40:50,719
Speaker 14: half seconds, it just becomes too hard. And then offenses

1935
01:40:50,760 --> 01:40:52,680
Speaker 14: are so good at kind of moving pieces around. So

1936
01:40:53,160 --> 01:40:56,640
Speaker 14: I like, I feel good about that position absolutely, and

1937
01:40:56,800 --> 01:40:59,040
Speaker 14: in the way that they play, maybe the techniques that

1938
01:40:59,080 --> 01:41:00,920
Speaker 14: they have to play, I think maybe make their lives

1939
01:41:00,920 --> 01:41:02,920
Speaker 14: a little bit harder. But you're hoping that, you know,

1940
01:41:03,000 --> 01:41:05,240
Speaker 14: through that spine in the defense, that defensive tackle at

1941
01:41:05,280 --> 01:41:07,680
Speaker 14: defensive end. Of course, that linebacker spot. I mean, I

1942
01:41:07,680 --> 01:41:09,320
Speaker 14: don't have to tell you mo linebackers will. It was

1943
01:41:09,360 --> 01:41:10,920
Speaker 14: a little bit of a rough watch to have to

1944
01:41:11,000 --> 01:41:12,840
Speaker 14: go through this season. So I think because you feel

1945
01:41:12,880 --> 01:41:15,719
Speaker 14: comfortable at that quarnerback position, now we can really focus.

1946
01:41:15,760 --> 01:41:17,640
Speaker 13: Hey we have a good pick there are you know,

1947
01:41:17,760 --> 01:41:20,400
Speaker 13: maybe Bang from Miami is a guy that we all watch.

1948
01:41:20,320 --> 01:41:21,720
Speaker 14: Over the next few weeks and they're like, hey, that

1949
01:41:21,960 --> 01:41:23,800
Speaker 14: has to be that player has to become a Bengal

1950
01:41:23,800 --> 01:41:25,439
Speaker 14: and then you're able to plug him up front.

1951
01:41:25,520 --> 01:41:27,400
Speaker 13: For now we can get after the quarterback a little

1952
01:41:27,439 --> 01:41:27,720
Speaker 13: bit more.

1953
01:41:28,439 --> 01:41:31,080
Speaker 2: You mentioned the linebackers, and I think, to me, this

1954
01:41:31,240 --> 01:41:33,600
Speaker 2: is one of the more interesting litmus tests for this

1955
01:41:33,720 --> 01:41:37,400
Speaker 2: front office, where you know, the Bengals way of doing

1956
01:41:37,520 --> 01:41:39,960
Speaker 2: things would would dictate that you run it back with

1957
01:41:40,000 --> 01:41:43,160
Speaker 2: the two linebackers, because you know what, you went to

1958
01:41:43,240 --> 01:41:46,480
Speaker 2: the growing pains this year. They accumulated a year of experience,

1959
01:41:46,760 --> 01:41:48,840
Speaker 2: but there's going to pay off, be a payoff their

1960
01:41:48,880 --> 01:41:51,920
Speaker 2: second year. So so don't don't go and get somebody

1961
01:41:52,000 --> 01:41:54,160
Speaker 2: else to play that position. Don't go and get two

1962
01:41:54,280 --> 01:41:56,920
Speaker 2: guys to play that position. Run it back with those

1963
01:41:56,960 --> 01:41:59,760
Speaker 2: two guys. You've invested draft picks in them, don't give

1964
01:41:59,880 --> 01:42:01,439
Speaker 2: up on them. The way I look at it is,

1965
01:42:01,840 --> 01:42:04,200
Speaker 2: those guys were terrible this year. Don't run the risk

1966
01:42:04,240 --> 01:42:07,240
Speaker 2: of them being terrible this coming season. Replace them both.

1967
01:42:07,560 --> 01:42:08,200
Speaker 3: What would you do?

1968
01:42:09,320 --> 01:42:11,960
Speaker 14: The Bengals are not in a situation to wait and

1969
01:42:12,080 --> 01:42:14,400
Speaker 14: safe like for a bunch of different other teams in

1970
01:42:14,439 --> 01:42:16,519
Speaker 14: the league. Guy would say, you know what, like the

1971
01:42:16,600 --> 01:42:18,599
Speaker 14: Titans for example, Right, the Titans are going to take

1972
01:42:18,640 --> 01:42:20,880
Speaker 14: a little bit of time to get forward you obviously

1973
01:42:20,920 --> 01:42:22,680
Speaker 14: have to find kind of positives.

1974
01:42:22,560 --> 01:42:25,439
Speaker 13: In those young players. At the very least, even very.

1975
01:42:25,360 --> 01:42:27,799
Speaker 14: Least, there has to be competition bought into that linebacker

1976
01:42:27,920 --> 01:42:29,960
Speaker 14: room where you have, you know, maybe a veteran that

1977
01:42:30,000 --> 01:42:32,519
Speaker 14: can be kind of a stop gap starter type. And

1978
01:42:32,760 --> 01:42:35,160
Speaker 14: I think if some of like the issues from the

1979
01:42:35,200 --> 01:42:39,200
Speaker 14: linebacker corps, like you can have issues or where it's like, hey,

1980
01:42:39,280 --> 01:42:41,280
Speaker 14: like we're reading things a little bit wrong, and those

1981
01:42:41,320 --> 01:42:43,519
Speaker 14: things can improve over time. But when like the issues

1982
01:42:43,560 --> 01:42:46,400
Speaker 14: are I think as large as they were this past

1983
01:42:46,400 --> 01:42:48,600
Speaker 14: season on film, it feels like, all right, you're not

1984
01:42:49,120 --> 01:42:51,760
Speaker 14: like irredeemable, but you know your redemption may have to

1985
01:42:51,800 --> 01:42:54,360
Speaker 14: happen somewhere else. So like these guys can I think

1986
01:42:54,400 --> 01:42:56,400
Speaker 14: be guaranteed, like, hey, these are absolutely going to be

1987
01:42:56,439 --> 01:42:58,400
Speaker 14: starters for us next year. You're able to bring in

1988
01:42:58,439 --> 01:43:00,519
Speaker 14: some competition and you're open to grow. Right, of course,

1989
01:43:00,560 --> 01:43:03,160
Speaker 14: you would like to have young defensive players that are hits.

1990
01:43:03,280 --> 01:43:06,519
Speaker 14: But I mean if they're still having situations where these

1991
01:43:06,560 --> 01:43:08,880
Speaker 14: guys are prowling around in the wrong direction, then like

1992
01:43:08,960 --> 01:43:10,720
Speaker 14: they're not able to figure it out at the level

1993
01:43:10,760 --> 01:43:11,400
Speaker 14: that they need to.

1994
01:43:11,680 --> 01:43:13,920
Speaker 13: One you look to, hey, maybe how things are being

1995
01:43:14,000 --> 01:43:16,160
Speaker 13: coached at the line backer level, but the Bengals don't

1996
01:43:16,200 --> 01:43:16,840
Speaker 13: have time to.

1997
01:43:17,000 --> 01:43:19,720
Speaker 14: Like have these players kind of there and feel like,

1998
01:43:19,760 --> 01:43:20,920
Speaker 14: all right, well this is a huge hole, Bud.

1999
01:43:21,000 --> 01:43:22,320
Speaker 13: He's young, so we're going to keep him.

2000
01:43:22,400 --> 01:43:25,479
Speaker 14: So you're gonna have to sign someone there at least

2001
01:43:25,520 --> 01:43:27,080
Speaker 14: at least at least to kind of push things in

2002
01:43:27,120 --> 01:43:27,479
Speaker 14: that room.

2003
01:43:27,680 --> 01:43:30,760
Speaker 2: Which opening round playoff matchup? Are you most intrigued by?

2004
01:43:31,920 --> 01:43:33,120
Speaker 2: Ho Home?

2005
01:43:33,320 --> 01:43:35,679
Speaker 14: No, it's a really good schedule, you know, I feel

2006
01:43:35,680 --> 01:43:38,840
Speaker 14: like wild card weekend. Usually sometimes I'm like, hey, you know,

2007
01:43:39,000 --> 01:43:40,720
Speaker 14: this is a little bit of an overrated one, but

2008
01:43:41,000 --> 01:43:44,080
Speaker 14: that's not really That's not really how I feel about

2009
01:43:44,160 --> 01:43:47,120
Speaker 14: this one. I think the right answer, Oh my gosh,

2010
01:43:47,160 --> 01:43:50,080
Speaker 14: there more like forty nine Ers Eagles is fascinating to me,

2011
01:43:50,240 --> 01:43:54,120
Speaker 14: just because the Eagles defense is I think, very very good,

2012
01:43:54,280 --> 01:43:57,439
Speaker 14: but their offensive legitimately put up like three points in

2013
01:43:57,520 --> 01:43:59,400
Speaker 14: a game, and then the forty nine defense is so

2014
01:43:59,640 --> 01:44:02,360
Speaker 14: bad that the Eagles shouldn't have that happen, and let's

2015
01:44:02,400 --> 01:44:04,240
Speaker 14: does that pay the way for the Eagles to go forward?

2016
01:44:04,280 --> 01:44:06,639
Speaker 13: You of course have the pattern Bears round three.

2017
01:44:06,760 --> 01:44:09,439
Speaker 14: I think that's fun, but I'm gonna my actual answer

2018
01:44:09,760 --> 01:44:12,479
Speaker 14: is Bill's Jaguars because I think the winner of that

2019
01:44:12,560 --> 01:44:15,080
Speaker 14: game there's a chance that they win the AFC, which

2020
01:44:15,160 --> 01:44:15,920
Speaker 14: is kind of weird.

2021
01:44:15,760 --> 01:44:16,959
Speaker 13: To say about the Jaguars.

2022
01:44:17,040 --> 01:44:19,400
Speaker 14: And then obviously that Bills have Josh Allen, but they're

2023
01:44:19,400 --> 01:44:21,120
Speaker 14: gonna put all these road games, so.

2024
01:44:21,960 --> 01:44:24,280
Speaker 13: I'm pretty psyched about it. I think, you know, that

2025
01:44:24,400 --> 01:44:26,320
Speaker 13: first game, that last game, maybe they interest me.

2026
01:44:26,439 --> 01:44:29,000
Speaker 14: Just like a touch less But if I only had

2027
01:44:29,040 --> 01:44:30,800
Speaker 14: to watch one, I think I actually would say Bill's

2028
01:44:30,840 --> 01:44:34,360
Speaker 14: Jaguars where Liam Cohen. The Jaguars offense, they've just they've

2029
01:44:34,400 --> 01:44:37,080
Speaker 14: been so interesting in how they've grown, seen Trevor Lawrence

2030
01:44:37,120 --> 01:44:38,840
Speaker 14: play a little bit better. And then we finally get

2031
01:44:38,880 --> 01:44:41,680
Speaker 14: to see if like everyone does. Though probably gonna pick

2032
01:44:41,800 --> 01:44:43,760
Speaker 14: the Bills because it's Josh Allen.

2033
01:44:43,880 --> 01:44:44,360
Speaker 13: Let's see it.

2034
01:44:44,479 --> 01:44:46,120
Speaker 14: You know, you still have one of the worst defenses

2035
01:44:46,160 --> 01:44:47,640
Speaker 14: in the league, so we'll see if you're gonna be

2036
01:44:47,640 --> 01:44:48,400
Speaker 14: able to overcome it.

2037
01:44:49,040 --> 01:44:50,840
Speaker 2: I cannot tell you how much we've loved having you

2038
01:44:50,960 --> 01:44:53,479
Speaker 2: every single Tuesday. I hope you're back with us in

2039
01:44:53,520 --> 01:44:56,080
Speaker 2: the fall, and we'll probably bother you before the draft.

2040
01:44:56,240 --> 01:44:56,760
Speaker 3: Thank you as.

2041
01:44:56,720 --> 01:44:59,719
Speaker 13: Always, appreciate it so much. Marm Thank you everyone.

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Speaker 3: Zach Taylor keeps his job.

2062
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Speaker 2: John Harball, who might be in the Hall of Fame

2063
01:46:10,640 --> 01:46:12,960
Speaker 2: one day, loses his out as head coach of the

2064
01:46:13,000 --> 01:46:17,519
Speaker 2: Baltimore Ravens. According to ESPN's Adam Schefter. Of course, the

2065
01:46:17,760 --> 01:46:21,160
Speaker 2: Ravens lost on a missed last second field goal of

2066
01:46:21,160 --> 01:46:24,160
Speaker 2: the Steelers on Sunday night in the de facto AFC

2067
01:46:24,320 --> 01:46:28,599
Speaker 2: North title game. Harball is a let go, ranking twelfth

2068
01:46:28,720 --> 01:46:30,760
Speaker 2: all time for most wins by a head coach in

2069
01:46:30,920 --> 01:46:34,240
Speaker 2: NFL history, obviously guided the Ravens to a title in

2070
01:46:34,360 --> 01:46:35,360
Speaker 2: twenty twelve.

2071
01:46:36,120 --> 01:46:39,040
Speaker 3: So John Harball out of a gig.

2072
01:46:39,600 --> 01:46:43,240
Speaker 2: We will see Meanwhile, Cam Taylor britt is in jail,

2073
01:46:44,080 --> 01:46:47,879
Speaker 2: sentenced to five days in jail for a driving incident.

2074
01:46:48,120 --> 01:46:51,280
Speaker 2: Reached a plead deal regarding charges stemming from an incident

2075
01:46:51,360 --> 01:46:55,040
Speaker 2: on September the fourteenth. Was facing misdemeanor charges of driving

2076
01:46:55,080 --> 01:46:59,920
Speaker 2: without a license and reckless driving. The ruling was delivered

2077
01:47:00,080 --> 01:47:04,000
Speaker 2: after the judge declined to grant Taylor Brick community service

2078
01:47:04,040 --> 01:47:05,120
Speaker 2: following a court hearing.

2079
01:47:05,760 --> 01:47:09,280
Speaker 3: Reading here from Ben Baby of ESPN College Basketball.

2080
01:47:09,320 --> 01:47:11,240
Speaker 2: Tonight you see is on the road against West Virginia,

2081
01:47:11,320 --> 01:47:14,679
Speaker 2: tip off at seven pm. The Mountaineers are nine to five.

2082
01:47:14,840 --> 01:47:17,600
Speaker 2: They lost their Big twelve opener in decisive fashion to

2083
01:47:17,640 --> 01:47:18,200
Speaker 2: Iowa State.

2084
01:47:18,240 --> 01:47:21,559
Speaker 3: The Cats eight and six. Following the lost to Houston

2085
01:47:21,720 --> 01:47:22,679
Speaker 3: on Saturday.

2086
01:47:23,400 --> 01:47:26,240
Speaker 2: Also to an idea, Miami RedHawks try to remain unbeaten

2087
01:47:26,280 --> 01:47:28,679
Speaker 2: with the game against Western Michigan. Dayton takes on George

2088
01:47:28,800 --> 01:47:32,000
Speaker 2: Washington tonight and hockey this evening. The Blue Jackets skate

2089
01:47:32,439 --> 01:47:37,080
Speaker 2: and play hockey at San Jose. Thanks to everybody who

2090
01:47:37,200 --> 01:47:41,320
Speaker 2: has waited patiently. Greg, you're on ESPN fifteen thirty. Good afternoon, Greg,

2091
01:47:41,320 --> 01:47:41,640
Speaker 2: How are you.

2092
01:47:43,280 --> 01:47:47,840
Speaker 5: I'm all right. Thanks taking my call. Kind of that

2093
01:47:48,040 --> 01:47:50,080
Speaker 5: last little bit of those kind of through.

2094
01:47:51,680 --> 01:47:52,080
Speaker 3: Mine too.

2095
01:47:55,200 --> 01:47:57,640
Speaker 12: Okay, I got a couple quick questions for you.

2096
01:47:57,880 --> 01:48:05,040
Speaker 5: What the thing with Duke Tobin? Mike says his title

2097
01:48:05,200 --> 01:48:09,679
Speaker 5: is not the defact He's a de facto GM without

2098
01:48:09,720 --> 01:48:11,920
Speaker 5: the GM titles. So I mean, do he got like

2099
01:48:12,120 --> 01:48:16,880
Speaker 5: less power as somebody who's who's the actual name GM.

2100
01:48:16,680 --> 01:48:17,160
Speaker 10: On a team?

2101
01:48:17,720 --> 01:48:20,200
Speaker 2: Well, I mean there are gms who have the title,

2102
01:48:20,400 --> 01:48:22,360
Speaker 2: but at the end of the day, they you know,

2103
01:48:22,479 --> 01:48:25,560
Speaker 2: the owner has veto power and will exercise it. And

2104
01:48:25,640 --> 01:48:28,479
Speaker 2: there are gms who work for owners that don't have

2105
01:48:28,680 --> 01:48:31,560
Speaker 2: anything to do with football operations. I don't know that

2106
01:48:31,680 --> 01:48:34,880
Speaker 2: the title has really that much to do with it.

2107
01:48:35,439 --> 01:48:38,960
Speaker 2: Duke Tobin doesn't have final veto power, and this is

2108
01:48:39,040 --> 01:48:41,439
Speaker 2: the case with every NFL franchise, obviously, but there are

2109
01:48:41,560 --> 01:48:44,160
Speaker 2: some owners who they don't want to have to say

2110
01:48:44,240 --> 01:48:46,479
Speaker 2: yes or no about anything. Mike Brown is not one

2111
01:48:46,520 --> 01:48:50,080
Speaker 2: of them. There are some general managers who have total

2112
01:48:50,200 --> 01:48:52,400
Speaker 2: carte blanche over all the football operations.

2113
01:48:52,520 --> 01:48:54,280
Speaker 3: Duke Tobin is is not one of them.

2114
01:48:54,320 --> 01:48:55,760
Speaker 2: But I don't know that that has as much to

2115
01:48:55,840 --> 01:48:58,080
Speaker 2: do with the title as it does just the overall

2116
01:48:58,120 --> 01:48:59,320
Speaker 2: structure of the organization.

2117
01:49:00,920 --> 01:49:04,120
Speaker 5: Okay, so I didn't know, like, how much is there

2118
01:49:04,280 --> 01:49:07,760
Speaker 5: like a power struggle between him and Padi or you know,

2119
01:49:07,920 --> 01:49:10,800
Speaker 5: when it comes to selecting players and trying to build

2120
01:49:10,840 --> 01:49:12,200
Speaker 5: this roster up to it that way.

2121
01:49:13,479 --> 01:49:14,400
Speaker 3: I don't I don't think.

2122
01:49:15,479 --> 01:49:17,920
Speaker 2: I don't think there's I don't think there's much of

2123
01:49:17,960 --> 01:49:19,960
Speaker 2: a power struggle with Duke and the people that he

2124
01:49:20,040 --> 01:49:20,320
Speaker 2: works for.

2125
01:49:20,479 --> 01:49:22,240
Speaker 3: I think there has been a.

2126
01:49:23,720 --> 01:49:27,080
Speaker 2: A lack of alignment between the personnel people and Duke

2127
01:49:27,160 --> 01:49:30,840
Speaker 2: oversees that department and the coaching staff. I'm sure there's

2128
01:49:30,960 --> 01:49:35,240
Speaker 2: been a lack of alignment between the front office slash

2129
01:49:35,320 --> 01:49:38,479
Speaker 2: ownership as it relates to certain player contracts and the

2130
01:49:38,560 --> 01:49:39,559
Speaker 2: coaching staff as well.

2131
01:49:41,080 --> 01:49:42,280
Speaker 3: Okay, I understand that.

2132
01:49:42,680 --> 01:49:44,000
Speaker 12: Another question I got for you.

2133
01:49:44,080 --> 01:49:46,639
Speaker 11: I've got trying to do a little bit of research too.

2134
01:49:46,880 --> 01:49:50,760
Speaker 12: But I can't find anything. Do you know, like as

2135
01:49:50,800 --> 01:49:51,200
Speaker 12: well as.

2136
01:49:51,120 --> 01:49:55,880
Speaker 5: Documented that we have about far the smallest scouting department

2137
01:49:56,120 --> 01:49:58,360
Speaker 5: and in the league, in the Holy League, it's not

2138
01:49:58,439 --> 01:50:02,000
Speaker 5: even close. How far behind we we are from everybody else.

2139
01:50:02,800 --> 01:50:05,639
Speaker 12: So you think he's like, hey, I need more people,

2140
01:50:06,040 --> 01:50:08,040
Speaker 12: I need more. We need to expand more.

2141
01:50:08,400 --> 01:50:11,040
Speaker 5: You know, the department needs to be bigger than what

2142
01:50:11,200 --> 01:50:14,280
Speaker 5: it is so we can actually scout more people if

2143
01:50:14,280 --> 01:50:15,120
Speaker 5: you got more people.

2144
01:50:16,240 --> 01:50:16,439
Speaker 12: Yeah.

2145
01:50:16,640 --> 01:50:19,400
Speaker 2: I think that's one of the major issues that they

2146
01:50:19,520 --> 01:50:21,280
Speaker 2: have and that a lot of people have with them,

2147
01:50:21,439 --> 01:50:24,240
Speaker 2: is that there aren't enough qualified voices in the room,

2148
01:50:24,920 --> 01:50:28,680
Speaker 2: That there aren't enough people uncovering hidden gems, that there

2149
01:50:28,760 --> 01:50:33,519
Speaker 2: aren't enough people bringing more information to the decision making process.

2150
01:50:33,760 --> 01:50:36,120
Speaker 2: And there's lots of different examples of this, but I'll

2151
01:50:36,240 --> 01:50:39,559
Speaker 2: just use one Jermaine Burton. So the Bengals draft Jermaine

2152
01:50:39,640 --> 01:50:44,000
Speaker 2: Burton and athletically there's a lot to love, but from

2153
01:50:44,040 --> 01:50:47,720
Speaker 2: a maturity standpoint, it was abundantly clear that he just

2154
01:50:47,960 --> 01:50:51,640
Speaker 2: wasn't there. I don't know that there's enough people or

2155
01:50:51,800 --> 01:50:54,240
Speaker 2: enough people who are armed with the ability to have

2156
01:50:54,360 --> 01:50:57,320
Speaker 2: a legitimate say that could raise their hand and go

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Speaker 2: instead of Jermaine Burton, how about this guy or instead

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Speaker 2: of Shamar Stewart. You love the measurables, But over here

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Speaker 2: is a guy that I've watched extensively and that I've

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Speaker 2: talked to. And you know what, he might not be

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01:51:10,560 --> 01:51:12,760
Speaker 2: as big, or as fast or as strong, but he

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Speaker 2: makes plays on film. Oh and by the way, he's

2163
01:51:15,080 --> 01:51:16,840
Speaker 2: not gonna hold out this year. I'm not sure there

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01:51:16,880 --> 01:51:20,760
Speaker 2: are enough voices who are given the ability to do that.

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure that they are operating when they make

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Speaker 2: decisions with as much information as other NFL teams. And

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Speaker 2: I think that's an interesting question that I hope has

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Speaker 2: thrown at Duke Tobina on Friday. It's the same people

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Speaker 2: that are going to be in place at the top,

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Speaker 2: But are you going to hire more people? And they've

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Speaker 2: hired some, they have an analytics guy, they have expanded

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01:51:42,800 --> 01:51:44,920
Speaker 2: the scouting department by a little bit, But are you

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Speaker 2: going to bring in more people to help aid the

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Speaker 2: decision making process?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, those are the sort of things I don't worry about. Well,

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Speaker 5: I'm kind of losing confidence over the years. You just

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01:51:56,360 --> 01:51:58,400
Speaker 5: see it time and time again. I don't know because

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01:51:58,400 --> 01:52:01,519
Speaker 5: we don't have a big department or what it is.

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Speaker 5: They always drafted these these guys who do really well

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01:52:06,760 --> 01:52:10,920
Speaker 5: at the combine, but they're not NFL players though, And

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01:52:11,200 --> 01:52:13,640
Speaker 5: just you see it over and over again. Oh they

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01:52:13,720 --> 01:52:14,800
Speaker 5: coming with the caveat.

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Speaker 12: You know, he got all these background and you.

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Speaker 5: Know what perfect this is the reason he didn't get drafted,

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Speaker 5: and it showed on the field.

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Speaker 12: You just get keep getting suspended over and over again.

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Speaker 12: And what was the.

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Speaker 5: Offensive lineman we had drafted with the bad knee? He

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01:52:29,840 --> 01:52:32,360
Speaker 5: set out a year. He was supposed to be the

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01:52:32,439 --> 01:52:34,680
Speaker 5: replacement for Wentworth and never panned out.

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Speaker 12: Seek him in the first round. There you go, right,

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01:52:39,840 --> 01:52:40,799
Speaker 12: it's such a bad.

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Speaker 5: Pattern of that happening so many times.

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Speaker 2: Right now, Yeah, what they need, h I appreciate the

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01:52:47,160 --> 01:52:51,080
Speaker 2: phone call, Greg. What what they need badly? Are they

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01:52:51,160 --> 01:52:54,800
Speaker 2: need draft picks who helped the team this coming season.

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Speaker 2: This is a cheap labor league. It's not as much

2198
01:53:01,479 --> 01:53:03,519
Speaker 2: a developmental league as it used to be. It's a

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Speaker 2: get guys who can come in and help you right now.

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01:53:06,479 --> 01:53:10,240
Speaker 2: So it is great that for the twenty twenty six

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01:53:10,360 --> 01:53:13,679
Speaker 2: season there are players in the twenty twenty three draft

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01:53:13,720 --> 01:53:14,479
Speaker 2: that you can count on.

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01:53:14,600 --> 01:53:15,519
Speaker 3: That's terrific.

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01:53:17,080 --> 01:53:20,400
Speaker 2: But where would this franchise be if they started to

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01:53:21,040 --> 01:53:24,960
Speaker 2: establish themselves as NFL players the year they were drafted.

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01:53:26,960 --> 01:53:32,040
Speaker 2: Think of this past season, Chamar Stewart. There were obviously

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01:53:32,160 --> 01:53:38,559
Speaker 2: injuries Shamar Stewart, Demetrius Knight, Barrick Carter, defensive players taken

2208
01:53:38,600 --> 01:53:43,120
Speaker 2: on the first two days of the draft. Imagine where

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Speaker 2: this defense is if those players make a positive impact

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01:53:46,560 --> 01:53:50,400
Speaker 2: this season, this season the one that just wrapped up,

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01:53:51,640 --> 01:53:52,960
Speaker 2: it's probably entirely different.

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Speaker 3: That has to change. They cannot have a.

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01:54:00,000 --> 01:54:03,800
Speaker 2: Glass in twenty twenty six where by the end of

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Speaker 2: it you look at a whole bunch of players and go,

2215
01:54:05,800 --> 01:54:08,120
Speaker 2: what did they do? Either didn't play or they didn't

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Speaker 2: play a lot, or they didn't play. Well, it's got

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Speaker 2: a change. Uh, Dave, go ahead, you're on ESPN fifteen thirty. Hi, Dave,

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01:54:15,400 --> 01:54:17,080
Speaker 2: how are you all right?

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Speaker 9: Well? Are you surprised? He was that news there?

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01:54:19,520 --> 01:54:22,000
Speaker 3: John Harball out of the Ravens.

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Speaker 9: And I was kind of take me one maybe one

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01:54:24,760 --> 01:54:26,320
Speaker 9: can of one thing to want to talk to you about.

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01:54:26,320 --> 01:54:28,680
Speaker 9: I was gonna say, I still I see a lot

2224
01:54:28,720 --> 01:54:31,519
Speaker 9: of what Paul Daaner's saying, you know, I know it

2225
01:54:31,600 --> 01:54:35,080
Speaker 9: worked for Jacksonville, work for Seattle, change the coaches and everything.

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01:54:35,160 --> 01:54:37,160
Speaker 9: But uh, but you got a lot of things in place,

2227
01:54:37,280 --> 01:54:40,280
Speaker 9: like we got the offense, you know, in place and everything.

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01:54:41,320 --> 01:54:44,240
Speaker 9: You're rebuilding way when you get rid of coaches and

2229
01:54:44,280 --> 01:54:47,880
Speaker 9: all that. But hey, John Harball's out there, maybe we

2230
01:54:47,960 --> 01:54:50,000
Speaker 9: can say, Zach, we didn't really mean it.

2231
01:54:50,720 --> 01:54:54,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I don't know that when you hire

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01:54:54,400 --> 01:54:55,440
Speaker 3: a coach you're rebuilding.

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Speaker 2: I mean I I don't. I don't subscribe to that. Now,

2234
01:54:59,520 --> 01:55:01,760
Speaker 2: maybe if the Bengals hired a coach, they would rebuild.

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01:55:02,200 --> 01:55:04,760
Speaker 9: I kind of disagree that, but but I don't know that.

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01:55:04,800 --> 01:55:07,320
Speaker 2: When you when you hire a most teams that are

2237
01:55:07,400 --> 01:55:10,120
Speaker 2: hiring head coaches were bad teams and they need to

2238
01:55:10,160 --> 01:55:12,560
Speaker 2: rebuild because the coach coach bad teams.

2239
01:55:13,240 --> 01:55:17,680
Speaker 3: But they don't need to rebuild half their team. Half

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Speaker 3: their teams in place.

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Speaker 2: And and you would you would like to think that

2242
01:55:21,800 --> 01:55:24,160
Speaker 2: if they did need a new head coach or did

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01:55:24,320 --> 01:55:27,040
Speaker 2: need somebody to replace Duke Tobin, that there would be

2244
01:55:27,040 --> 01:55:29,360
Speaker 2: an understanding that for the short term, you don't need

2245
01:55:29,440 --> 01:55:32,200
Speaker 2: to do anything with the offense. You know, you might

2246
01:55:32,280 --> 01:55:36,920
Speaker 2: install your own system, you might change who calls the plays,

2247
01:55:37,040 --> 01:55:40,440
Speaker 2: but I don't. I would like to think that anybody

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01:55:40,520 --> 01:55:42,360
Speaker 2: that would be installed as a head coach or a

2249
01:55:42,440 --> 01:55:45,840
Speaker 2: GM would understand that this offense doesn't really need any

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Speaker 2: retooling at all.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, I think the saying I think. I think Joe

2252
01:55:51,000 --> 01:55:53,320
Speaker 9: likes that working with back and everything. That's one reason.

2253
01:55:53,400 --> 01:55:55,960
Speaker 9: But Kyle Ilell's true what you say, and we brought Forst.

2254
01:55:55,960 --> 01:55:59,240
Speaker 9: Gregor back in eighty it worked immediately, So let's truck

2255
01:55:59,320 --> 01:56:01,400
Speaker 9: kind of what you're about. The other thing, the way

2256
01:56:01,480 --> 01:56:03,720
Speaker 9: to talk to you about was, I think you're dead

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01:56:03,760 --> 01:56:06,280
Speaker 9: on about the rising thing. They need to sign him

2258
01:56:06,360 --> 01:56:10,240
Speaker 9: right away, the class dude, the fun dude, and it

2259
01:56:10,280 --> 01:56:12,000
Speaker 9: will take. It'd be a lot easier to sign him

2260
01:56:12,000 --> 01:56:15,120
Speaker 9: to shut down corner like Turner over a guhim. Both fine,

2261
01:56:15,200 --> 01:56:17,720
Speaker 9: but yeah, you did on about that. But what we

2262
01:56:17,880 --> 01:56:19,960
Speaker 9: want to talk to you about was you were saying

2263
01:56:21,560 --> 01:56:23,720
Speaker 9: a couple of times and give me a little upset

2264
01:56:23,840 --> 01:56:26,360
Speaker 9: there you were saying, I understand where you're coming from

2265
01:56:26,440 --> 01:56:31,000
Speaker 9: about the game Sunday. No, I agree, it wasn't. Maybe heartbreaking.

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01:56:32,520 --> 01:56:34,440
Speaker 9: Do you have a you have a buddy or a

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01:56:35,120 --> 01:56:38,880
Speaker 9: team or a fan or somethingwhere you just absolutely have

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01:56:39,040 --> 01:56:39,880
Speaker 9: to beat that team.

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01:56:40,760 --> 01:56:43,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I get it, it's the Browns, but I.

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01:56:43,760 --> 01:56:45,920
Speaker 9: Can't stand it. I call them the Cleveland clown Yeah.

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01:56:46,200 --> 01:56:47,840
Speaker 2: It just didn't bother me that much. I would have

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01:56:48,000 --> 01:56:50,400
Speaker 2: liked to won the game. I mean, don't get me wrong,

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01:56:50,560 --> 01:56:54,920
Speaker 2: but there losing a game that sends your record to

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01:56:54,960 --> 01:56:58,440
Speaker 2: six and eleven. When I get that, you instantly turned

2275
01:56:58,480 --> 01:57:00,880
Speaker 2: the page to what's next? Did you just didn't? It

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01:57:00,960 --> 01:57:03,560
Speaker 2: didn't really do anything anything to me. I mean again,

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01:57:03,600 --> 01:57:05,480
Speaker 2: I had they won the game, that would have been great.

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01:57:05,560 --> 01:57:06,960
Speaker 2: I rooted for them to win the game, but the

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01:57:07,000 --> 01:57:09,040
Speaker 2: fact that they didn't. Look, I'll put it to you

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01:57:09,160 --> 01:57:10,720
Speaker 2: this way. If you could say, you can have two

2281
01:57:10,760 --> 01:57:13,400
Speaker 2: outcomes here, the Bengals win and something happens to Joe Burrow,

2282
01:57:13,480 --> 01:57:15,320
Speaker 2: or the Bengals lose and nothing happens to Joe Burrow.

2283
01:57:15,320 --> 01:57:17,120
Speaker 2: I'll take the Bengals losing and nothing happened to Joe

2284
01:57:17,160 --> 01:57:18,640
Speaker 2: Burrow exactly.

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Speaker 9: We go from a guy back in the eighties and

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01:57:20,400 --> 01:57:23,400
Speaker 9: ninete people call my house. They were trying to the

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01:57:23,480 --> 01:57:28,480
Speaker 9: clowns beas it's a sod boy with me, and I

2288
01:57:28,680 --> 01:57:31,080
Speaker 9: just I just was so angry walking out there.

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01:57:31,920 --> 01:57:34,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it would be one thing if like

2290
01:57:34,320 --> 01:57:36,760
Speaker 2: the Browns were playing something and the Bengals missed a

2291
01:57:36,840 --> 01:57:40,000
Speaker 2: chance to kind of spoil their you know, spoil their season.

2292
01:57:40,120 --> 01:57:42,440
Speaker 2: That had been kind of fun. But they were worse

2293
01:57:42,520 --> 01:57:43,520
Speaker 2: this year than the Bengals were.

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01:57:43,960 --> 01:57:46,240
Speaker 9: That's true, that's true. But I still want to be

2295
01:57:46,400 --> 01:57:49,200
Speaker 9: when that season series is. As long as I can.

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01:57:49,280 --> 01:57:50,640
Speaker 9: We're still ahead of them about six or.

2297
01:57:50,680 --> 01:57:54,080
Speaker 2: Seven next year, all right, hopefully next year. Okay, Dave,

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01:57:54,560 --> 01:58:01,640
Speaker 2: thank you, thank you very much. I mean, regardless of

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01:58:01,760 --> 01:58:04,640
Speaker 2: who the person would have been, whether it's an outside

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01:58:04,720 --> 01:58:07,760
Speaker 2: higher or Duke Tobin, and obviously it will be Duke

2301
01:58:07,840 --> 01:58:13,320
Speaker 2: Tobin to a degree, it's a very enviable task take

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Speaker 2: this offense and get it to the postseason next year.

2303
01:58:19,120 --> 01:58:22,440
Speaker 2: I know I've said this on this show before. There

2304
01:58:22,600 --> 01:58:26,760
Speaker 2: are eighteen teams on the outside looking into the playoffs.

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01:58:27,120 --> 01:58:30,440
Speaker 2: So eighteen teams that have started their work on twenty

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01:58:30,520 --> 01:58:34,240
Speaker 2: twenty six. How many of them could look at their

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01:58:34,400 --> 01:58:38,480
Speaker 2: roster and point to one side or one side or

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01:58:38,560 --> 01:58:42,200
Speaker 2: the other and go, you know what, we're good here.

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01:58:44,120 --> 01:58:46,760
Speaker 2: And the Bengals are one of them and might be

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01:58:46,880 --> 01:58:49,640
Speaker 2: the only one. The riisner thing is and I'm gonna

2311
01:58:49,680 --> 01:58:50,560
Speaker 2: harp on this for a while.

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01:58:51,680 --> 01:58:52,839
Speaker 3: This could not be easier.

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01:58:54,720 --> 01:58:57,560
Speaker 2: So if it's not Dalton Reisner, there's a decent chance

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01:58:57,640 --> 01:59:00,960
Speaker 2: it's a player who's more expensive, or it's a guy

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01:59:01,000 --> 01:59:06,480
Speaker 2: you have to draft. Like the Bengals have a history

2316
01:59:07,440 --> 01:59:13,480
Speaker 2: of making things more complex than they need to. We

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01:59:14,600 --> 01:59:18,120
Speaker 2: there is a burning question looming over this franchise as

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01:59:18,440 --> 01:59:21,080
Speaker 2: to whether or not the quarterback is ever gonna get

2319
01:59:21,120 --> 01:59:23,200
Speaker 2: to a point where he goes you know what, I

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01:59:23,240 --> 01:59:28,320
Speaker 2: don't want to be here anymore. Against that backdrop, you

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01:59:28,440 --> 01:59:31,040
Speaker 2: have a player who's like, dude, I love it here,

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01:59:31,360 --> 01:59:34,680
Speaker 2: I want to play here, and his cap hit last

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01:59:34,720 --> 01:59:37,080
Speaker 2: season I believe was a shade over one point three

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01:59:37,200 --> 01:59:37,880
Speaker 2: million bucks.

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Speaker 3: Like that, that's a guy you sign right.

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Speaker 2: If you sign him, If you get the Dalton Reisner

2327
01:59:48,760 --> 01:59:52,800
Speaker 2: thing done, you are gonna go into the offseason without

2328
01:59:53,080 --> 01:59:56,840
Speaker 2: offensive line listed as a major team need, going into

2329
01:59:56,880 --> 02:00:00,840
Speaker 2: free agency in the draft for the first time in forever.

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Speaker 3: What a luxury to have.

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Speaker 2: Give yourself the luxury of starting the twenty twenty six

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02:00:09,160 --> 02:00:17,040
Speaker 2: league year knowing our offensive line is set. I understand

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02:00:17,160 --> 02:00:19,800
Speaker 2: you're still gonna be looking for depth and backups and

2334
02:00:19,920 --> 02:00:22,880
Speaker 2: long term solutions maybe at left tackle, maybe at center.

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Speaker 2: But for the twenty twenty six season, when the new

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02:00:26,760 --> 02:00:31,040
Speaker 2: league year starts in March, look at our team on

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Speaker 2: this side of the ball.

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Speaker 3: We are good. We don't need to go get a guard.

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Speaker 3: We don't need to go get anybody. We are good.

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Speaker 2: You're one stroke of a pen away from having that luxury.

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Speaker 2: Give yourself that luxury. Eleven away from six. This is

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Speaker 2: ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati Sports.

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Speaker 2: Muegger anything you might have missed go find on the

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Speaker 2: iHeartRadio app, including our conversation with Paul Danner Junior, who

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Speaker 2: wrote about how WII it's a good thing for Duke

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Speaker 2: Tobin and Zach Taylor to come back. Many are making

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Speaker 2: the point on social media that what's happened in Baltimore is,

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Speaker 2: you know, just an illustration of the stark differences between

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Speaker 2: the two franchises, the Ravens moving on from John Harball,

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Speaker 2: which Adam Schefter reported just about forty five minutes ago.

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Speaker 2: John Harbaugh gone, Zach Taylor still here, And there's certainly

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Speaker 2: some validity to that right at the same time, and look,

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Speaker 2: the Ravens are a well run franchise. They had a

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Speaker 2: down ish year, and in that down ish year, they

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Speaker 2: were a missed field goal away from making the postseason. Like,

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Speaker 2: you know, you could always ask that about franchises, about organizations,

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Speaker 2: like how good you're good, how bad you're bad. The

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Speaker 2: Raven's bad. They were still as close to making the postseason.

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Speaker 2: But you know, they've had really good rosters in a

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Speaker 2: two time MVP quarterback, and they've had some postseason failures.

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Speaker 2: I don't have a lot of Baltimore Ravens fans in

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Speaker 2: my life, but paying attention to things the way I

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Speaker 2: at least try to. I would be willing to bet

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Speaker 2: most Ravens fans and I could be dead wrong about this.

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Speaker 2: I would be willing to bet most Ravens fans are

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Speaker 2: kind of okay with this. And many might say that

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Speaker 2: this is perhaps a year too late, maybe a year overdue.

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Speaker 2: Now you know, they were dropped P eight or drop

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Speaker 2: two point conversion away from advancing to the AFC Title

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Speaker 2: Game last year, and they hosted the AFC Title Game

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Speaker 2: two years ago. But I we get folks on from

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Speaker 2: Baltimore every time the Bengals play the Baltimore Ravens. Try

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Speaker 2: to pay attention as much as I can to what's

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Speaker 2: going on in the cities that have AFC North teams,

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Speaker 2: and I gathered that there was a lot of real

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Speaker 2: legitimate fan discontent as it relates to the head coach.

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Speaker 2: So we view it here as look at what the

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Speaker 2: well run organization does. I think there they look at

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Speaker 2: it as well. This organization was a little bit too

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Speaker 2: patient with the guy. We will see. We'll talk about

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Speaker 2: this tomorrow and so much more. Thanks to Tarren Bland

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Speaker 2: for producing, and thanks to you for listening. Have an

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Speaker 2: unbelievable night. We'll talk to you tomorrow three oh five

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Speaker 2: on ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station.

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Speaker 3: I'm Stephen Curry and this is Gentlemen's Cut.