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Speaker 1: Welcoming and happy to have her on the program. Isabelle Brown,

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Speaker 1: an author of a couple of books. This book we're

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Speaker 1: talking about the Morning the End of the Alphabet, How

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Speaker 1: gen Z can save America, which sounds very optimistic. It's

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Speaker 1: a full time live streamer, independent content creator, giving a

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Speaker 1: voice to Generation Z by breaking down culture's most important

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Speaker 1: topics to thousands of viewers' real time. She streams and

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Speaker 1: other content or her streams and other content reach millions

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Speaker 1: of people around the world daily, so she is an influencer.

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Speaker 1: Her first book, frontlines, Finding My Voice on an American

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Speaker 1: college Campus. She's also a regular speaker on high school

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Speaker 1: and college campuses and activism to organizations worldwide. You saw

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Speaker 1: her on Newsweek cover and regular appearance on national and

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Speaker 1: international television and radio. Welcome to the program, Isabelle Brown,

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Speaker 1: to talk about the End of the Alphabet.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much for having me. Excited to be here.

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Speaker 1: I'm excited to have you on. So first off, we're

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Speaker 1: going to figure out what we're talking about when we

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Speaker 1: say gen Z. Now, I've always felt sight of generation

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Speaker 1: letter confusion because I'm too young to be a baby

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Speaker 1: boomer and on the front end of Generation X being

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Speaker 1: a vintage in nineteen sixty five. So I know where

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Speaker 1: my perceptions are. I know the era that I grew

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Speaker 1: pulled my listening audience, we kind of view the younger

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Speaker 1: people these days as a bunch of woke, in doctrinated,

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Speaker 1: gender confused leftists. Now your book suggests we should have

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Speaker 1: some optimism. What specifically, though, what generation is Generation Z?

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Speaker 1: What lay or what era are we talking about?

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Speaker 2: Isabelle great very important question. Most experts have agreed that

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Speaker 2: gen Z encompasses a group of about seventy million Americans

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Speaker 2: born between the years of nineteen ninety seven and twenty twelve.

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Speaker 2: So when you hear the term gen Z, you're looking

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Speaker 2: and the oldest of us, like myself, turning twenty seven

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Speaker 2: point in time. You're right, there is this perception that

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Speaker 2: this whole group of people is unilaterally lazy, entitled, woke

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Speaker 2: socialist cry babies who are desperately trying to bring leftism

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Speaker 2: into the fold. And American culture. But throughout the last

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Speaker 2: several years working on my own college campus as an

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Speaker 2: I anecdotally, at the very least, knew that that wasn't

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Speaker 2: true and set out to try to prove that narrative

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Speaker 2: wrong through my new book. What if I were to

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Speaker 2: tell you that Generation Z actually is proving ourselves to

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Speaker 2: be the most conservative generation America has seen since World

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Speaker 2: War II on a cultural and lifestyle basis.

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Speaker 1: Well, that would suggest that you are paying attention, You're

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Speaker 1: being observant. You have studied history, and you've seen the

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Speaker 1: mistakes of the past and what it's left us with

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Speaker 1: here with Yes, the dependent, woke, entitled group of people

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Speaker 1: that exist that seem to dominate the narrative on social media.

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Speaker 2: Exactly correct, And it's following the same pattern we've seen

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Speaker 2: throughout really all of human history. Every young group of

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Speaker 2: people wants to do essentially the same thing, and that

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Speaker 2: think it's funny that we think about punk rock and

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Speaker 2: countercultural in America within the context of covering your body

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Speaker 2: in tattoos or getting a whole lot of piercings. But today,

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Speaker 2: to be punk rock or rebellious or radically countercultural means

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Speaker 2: to embrace timeless, traditional conservative values. And that's exactly what

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Speaker 2: Gen Z is doing. In fact, ninety three percent of

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Speaker 2: that we have the lowest marriage rate in American history.

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Speaker 2: We're realizing we don't have to spend two hundred and

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Speaker 2: instead we're choosing more meaningful degree programs. Sixty two percent

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Speaker 2: out of big cities. You're watching this big, giant pendulum

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Speaker 2: you're watching that pendulum start to shift as well. And

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Speaker 2: the younger cohort of Generation Z is overwhelmingly, at least

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Speaker 1: I am so pleased to hear that because that flies

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Speaker 1: in the face of the narrative, the constant stream, the

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Speaker 1: media is dominated by leftists, and we also have you know,

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Speaker 1: you're a very obviously an important social media influencer, but

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Speaker 1: some of these social media influencers is where well a

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Speaker 1: lot of people get their information. You know, it's like

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Speaker 2: That's such an interesting observation. And actually, I see so

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Speaker 2: Generation Z has two break free of the narrative.

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Speaker 2: Just the other day on my live stream, we were

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Speaker 2: reading through the forty five goals of the American Communist

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Speaker 2: sixty three, and essentially, the Communist Party's main goal to

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Speaker 2: But for the first time ever in human history, you

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Speaker 1: Well, how do you get the message out in the

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Speaker 1: face of efforts by the larger platforms to suppress your message,

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Speaker 1: which again flies in the face of this liberal leftist narrative.

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Speaker 2: Fantastic and important question, and certainly is something our country

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Speaker 2: freedom of speech in the digital age. But really, I

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Speaker 2: wildly frustrated with what's been happening with censorship efforts in

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Speaker 2: social media. But you can be quite clever in telling

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Speaker 2: And that's an important steps forward as a country. But

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Speaker 2: there is sort of this undertowing message in the conservative

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Speaker 2: I think we use that often as an excuse to

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Speaker 1: We need more people like you. They think that way,

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Speaker 1: they agree with your opinion, Yet if they're silent, they're

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Speaker 1: not helping spread the message in the news that no,

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Speaker 1: you are not alone. You know, I have these things

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Speaker 1: called listener lunches every month, and you know, I feel

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Speaker 1: quite often with my little old libertarian perspective of life.

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Speaker 1: You know, I just want to live my life, make

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Speaker 1: That to me is the beautiful thing about America. But

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Speaker 1: myself and I get this reassurance that listener lunches and

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Speaker 1: when I'm out in the world. No, no, Brian, you're

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Speaker 1: the one speaking the truth. Thank god, your message is there.

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Speaker 1: Thank God you were speaking the narrative that flies in

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Speaker 1: So you know that's is that one of the reasons

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, that's the primary reason I did. You know. I

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Speaker 2: always like to say, especially when I speak on high

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Speaker 2: often than not, what happens with writing back against culture

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Speaker 2: to see college students and young adults to like really

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Speaker 1: Scratch Liberty's ears for me right now. I heard your

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Speaker 1: too are a dog lover. I'm a huge, huge dogman fan.

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Speaker 1: So you just said something that I find absolutely amazing.

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Speaker 1: loved college all right, Like I said Vintage sixty five

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Speaker 2: It sure is, And that's such a beacon of hope

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Speaker 2: to hear for so many people because the truth is,

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Speaker 2: and badly, students are having to do the job of

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Speaker 2: university administrations and professors alike by reliving what you guys

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Speaker 2: experienced on your college campuses, with debate, with meaningful dialogue,

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Speaker 2: with exchange of ideas. And you're watching student organizations like

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Speaker 5: You're right.

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Speaker 2: I do cover that quite substantially in my first book

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Speaker 2: that I self published about my college experience. But in

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Speaker 2: our experience at Colorado State University, for example, when we

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Speaker 2: brought speakers like Charlie Kirk and Dennis Prager and Candas

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Speaker 2: Owens to campus, we regularly were turning out audience says

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Speaker 1: to shut down that message because they know it's resonating

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Speaker 1: Some great stories along with his lines. Now I I

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Speaker 1: always say this, I qualify this by saying I mean

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Speaker 1: this as a compliment, absolute compliment. Is this one of

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Speaker 1: In other words, stories that are short enough to read

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Speaker 1: in a you know, smaller amount of time.

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Speaker 7: Yes, it's not through the novel. Get read all the

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Speaker 7: way through the Yeah, find what happen. So this was

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Speaker 7: really a basic series of short stories. It's great, forty

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Speaker 7: five short stories. You can just page through it, pick

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Speaker 7: out the ones they like, and just read about half

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Speaker 7: the book and enjoy it fully completely. Can do it

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Speaker 7: that way. You can read it one into the other

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Speaker 7: either way.

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Speaker 1: Yes, fantastic. Like I said, I view that as a positive,

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Speaker 1: a definite positive. Jared not First off, thanks again for

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Speaker 1: your service to our country. Thanks for writing this wonderful book.

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Speaker 7: Fascinating that we mentioned too. You can you can go

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Speaker 7: to the website Tiny Blunders, Big Disasters dot com. Tiny Blunders,

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Speaker 7: Big Disasters dot com. There's two and a half free

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Speaker 7: pages there, plus the portrait gallery and also the traders

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Speaker 7: and we're running a special this week.

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Speaker 1: Oh fantastic. Well, my executive producer always makes things easy

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Speaker 1: for my book authors by putting the link to the

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Speaker 1: place where people can get the book on my blog page.

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Speaker 1: So if you can't remember Tiny Blundersbig Disasters dot com,

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Speaker 1: just remember fifty five kr SE dot com and you

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Speaker 1: can have a link right there to take you to

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Speaker 1: the book and the special from Insanity The World's So Crazy.

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Speaker 1: Thank god for you guys. Fifty five KRS talkstation at

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Speaker 1: six on a Friday eve. Brian Thomas here, and I've

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Speaker 1: been looking forward to this interview all morning. And please

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Speaker 1: welcome to the Picky five KREC morning show man whose

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Speaker 1: books you've probably read. Richard Battle, a multi award winning

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Speaker 1: author of ten books, has been a public speaker on leadership, motivation, faith,

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Speaker 1: sales and volunteerism for over thirty years, and experience corporate

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Speaker 1: executive and nonprofit leader who serves on organizations in an

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Speaker 1: advisory role, and author of the book we're going to

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Speaker 1: be talking about Day Today, an uplifting book born of

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Speaker 1: a bit of tragedy too. The Unopen President President, Welcome

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Speaker 1: to the program. It's a real pleasure to have you

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Speaker 1: on today, Richard.

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Speaker 6: Good morning, Brian, thank you so much for having me today.

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Speaker 1: Well, I want to read a quote from you, because

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Speaker 1: it reminded me of something I've said so many times

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Speaker 1: over the years. You know, I and many people say

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Speaker 1: I'd never want to go back and have to relive childhood,

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Speaker 1: because you know, it's difficult growing up. I got bullying

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Speaker 1: and all that. But I would go back in a

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Speaker 1: heartbeat if I could take with me what I know

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Speaker 1: and have learned in my fifty seven years of existence

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Speaker 1: on this planet, because life would be so damn easy.

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Speaker 1: That's what you wanted to do for your son when

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Speaker 1: you wrote him him a very comprehensive letter about life experiences.

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Speaker 1: Let my listeners know what prompted you to do that,

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Speaker 1: and then what happened afterwards was led to the book

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Speaker 1: The Unopen Present.

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Speaker 6: Well, thank you. And this letter was written over twenty

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Speaker 6: years ago, and I was an older, first time father,

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Speaker 6: and one day, all of a sudden, I was thinking,

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Speaker 6: what happens if I don't live long enough to teach

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Speaker 6: my son the important lessons I want him to know

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Speaker 6: in life? And so I wrote the letter, and I

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Speaker 6: outlined forty three lessons that I thought were critical for

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Speaker 6: any young person to learn. A friend of mine asked

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Speaker 6: me why forty three, and I said, well, that's all

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Speaker 6: I thought of at the time, and I set the

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Speaker 6: letter aside because he.

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Speaker 7: Was an infant.

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Speaker 6: He was six months old at the time, and unfortunately,

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Speaker 6: three months later he passed away, and I included the

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Speaker 6: letter as an appendix and a grief book I wrote

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Speaker 6: about him. But the letter sat for many, many years

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Speaker 6: until a spark last year.

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Speaker 1: Well, and obviously condolences on the loss of I can't

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Speaker 1: understand or can't comprehend, and I don't think anybody can

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Speaker 1: who has been hasn't been through it, the loss of

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Speaker 1: a child. I understand from psychologist it's one of the

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Speaker 1: worst things that can happen to anybody emotionally. But what

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Speaker 1: were you contemplating your own mortality when you wrote this book.

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Speaker 1: I have never been really that forward thinking to be

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Speaker 1: thinking about, Gee, what the hell are my children going

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Speaker 1: to do if I'm not around. They're both adults now.

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Speaker 1: I got a twenty seven and a twenty nine year old.

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Speaker 1: They seem to be doing fine. But what was it

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Speaker 1: about that moment in time when you wrote the book?

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Speaker 6: There wrote the letter, Well, that's exactly correct, and I

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Speaker 6: was blessed being an older parent because I was thinking

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Speaker 6: about that thing younger parents are so busy focused on

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Speaker 6: making a living and raising their kids day by day,

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Speaker 6: yes by week. Very often it's easy. And when I

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Speaker 6: was younger, before I was a parent, I didn't think

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Speaker 6: as long term as I thought later and think now either,

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Speaker 6: And so that's why I think it's important to share

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Speaker 6: year as we wrote this, and the reason that generated

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Speaker 6: it's a very unique story as well, because I was

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Speaker 6: told by a friend that this is something you ought

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Speaker 6: to expand upon and put into a book because it's universal,

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Speaker 6: it can help everyone.

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Speaker 1: Fair Enough, I consider myself extremely grounded. I know what

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Speaker 1: my personal philosophy is politically, I know what I believe in.

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Speaker 1: I'm firm on it. That allows me to get through

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Speaker 1: confident in my position. What experience has formed your philosophy

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Speaker 1: the unopen present.

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Speaker 6: Well, that's a great question. When I wrote it, I

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Speaker 6: thought I was pretty much a traditional, what I would

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Speaker 6: the things going on, it may appear much more conservative

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Speaker 6: than that, but the first lesson that I wrote about

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Speaker 6: was God exists, have faith, pray and listen, because to me,

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Speaker 6: that was the bedrock, was having a faith in something

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Speaker 6: beyond us, and that's the most important grounding and foundation

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Speaker 6: for anyone's life in my opinion, and.

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Speaker 1: You know, I agree with that philosophy. My perception of

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Speaker 1: a prayer, my view of prayer and I do engage

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Speaker 1: in prayer, is if you believe, I think, as anybody

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Speaker 1: who believes in a higher power does, that higher power

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Speaker 1: knows what you're thinking, knows a lie from the truth.

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Speaker 1: You can't lie to an all seeing, all knowing higher power,

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Speaker 1: which forces you during prayer to be introspective. If you're praying,

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Speaker 1: I really need something in my life, or you know,

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Speaker 1: I'm struggling with this particular problem. I mean, if you have, like,

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Speaker 1: for example, a drug problem and that's leading, you can't say, well,

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Speaker 1: God dealt me a bad hand. No, you have to

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Speaker 1: look at yourself and be honest with yourself and say,

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Speaker 1: I know the genesis of it. It's me, and I

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Speaker 1: need to do something about it to fix it. Introspection.

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Speaker 6: That is exactly correct, and everyone in life gets dealt

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Speaker 6: bad experiences. If you will no one is exempt. The

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Speaker 6: only question is when and how and how we respond

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Speaker 6: to it.

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Speaker 1: Well, what other messages are in the unopen present? And

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Speaker 1: who is this? Who did you write the book for?

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Speaker 1: I suppose it's really written for everyone.

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Speaker 6: Well, it's written for everyone. I've been overwhelmed with people

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Speaker 6: that have given copies for gifts, for baby showers, for weddings,

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Speaker 6: for graduation, for young people who are young adults, if

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Speaker 6: you will, for young parents, because the life lessons are

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Speaker 6: based on Western civilization values. The second one I put

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Speaker 6: in there was love your mother. You will be the

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Speaker 6: man of the house. She unconditionally loves you and deserves

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Speaker 6: your love, respect, and attention. And every day when I

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Speaker 6: would leave with my son and later my daughter, I

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Speaker 6: would say, take care of your mother. Take care of

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Speaker 6: your mother, even when they were too young to understand it,

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Speaker 6: because I wanted to instill the importance of family above

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Speaker 6: everything else into them at the earliest possible stage.

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Speaker 1: What a beautiful thought that is, and consistent with you know,

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Speaker 1: I guess I could go directly the Ten Commandments. I

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Speaker 1: believe there's a commandment of thereabout loving and honoring one's

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Speaker 1: father and mother. It's important stuff that How is the

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Speaker 1: book presented, how do you communicate your message? Because I

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Speaker 1: know you are a public speaker on again leadership, motivation,

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Speaker 1: faith and volunteers and doing this for decades. How's the

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Speaker 1: book laid out in terms of its message presentation and

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Speaker 1: how you communicate that message so readers can clearly understand it? Richard,

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Speaker 1: that is a great question.

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Speaker 6: And I write as I speak, very conversationally, very down

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Speaker 6: to earth, so that anyone can pick it up and

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Speaker 6: read it. And what I did was I took the

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Speaker 6: lessons and after the friends suggestion to write the book,

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Speaker 6: which was a very humbling moment that created that genesis,

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Speaker 6: I took each lesson and I added context, examples, historical examples,

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Speaker 6: quotes one scripture to add inspiration. So each one is

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Speaker 6: a very easy to read five to six hundred words

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Speaker 6: like a newspaper opinion piece, if you will. Each one's

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Speaker 6: very easy to read and digest, and they can be

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Speaker 6: read in any sequence at any time and referred to.

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Speaker 6: And it's just a very easy thing to pick up

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Speaker 6: and look at and be able to reference something you

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Speaker 6: may be thinking about with your children or we've had

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Speaker 6: a lot of grandparents buy copies and give to their

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Speaker 6: children to help raise their grandchildren.

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Speaker 1: Oh that's wonderful. Well, and when I say this, I

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Speaker 1: mean it with the highest level of praise and respect.

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Speaker 1: It sounds like what it could be a good bathroom book,

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Speaker 1: you know, concise, easy to read and understand points that

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Speaker 1: you wouldn't have to sit down and go through like

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Speaker 1: for example reading You know my favorite author, I always say, Dostoyevsky.

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Speaker 1: It's going to take you a while to get through

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Speaker 1: one of his novels and you can't just pick it

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Speaker 1: up and glean something and put it back down again.

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Speaker 1: Is it that type of book? It sounds like it.

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Speaker 6: Absolutely. There's forty three lessons, plus the story of writing

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Speaker 6: the book, and each one, like I say, can be

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Speaker 6: read in two or three minutes. You can read one

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Speaker 6: a day, you can read whenever you like. It's just

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Speaker 6: a couple of minutes per each one of the lessons.

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Speaker 1: My guest today, author of the book we're speaking of,

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Speaker 1: is it's The Unopen Present by Richard Battle again award

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Speaker 1: winning author of multiple books. Do you speak to and

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Speaker 1: we are in interesting times? And I think that's a

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Speaker 1: gross understanding. You probably agree with that. Here in the country,

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Speaker 1: lots of political divisions lots of divisions, generally speaking your

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Speaker 1: life in your book The Unopen Present, do you speak

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Speaker 1: about country and its relationship to us and we are

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Speaker 1: how we view our country?

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Speaker 6: Well, one of the things that closed the letter with.

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Speaker 6: Originally and again I wrote this letter in nineteen ninety seven,

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Speaker 6: and to him, I said, God blessed textas God bless

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Speaker 6: the USA. We are blessed to be able to live

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Speaker 6: in the greatest area in the world. This country doesn't

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Speaker 6: owe you anything. Do you want something, be prepared to

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Speaker 6: earn it.

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Speaker 1: Man, what a great message, especially in these times when

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Speaker 1: people just want to turn to government for the answers

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Speaker 1: to all of their life problems. And that is not

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Speaker 1: where the answers lie. Now, since it's forty three specific points,

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Speaker 1: let my listeners know one of the more obscure lessons.

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Speaker 1: I mean, we can all agree higher power and prayer

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Speaker 1: and you know, respecting father and mother and the point

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Speaker 1: you made about country. What is one of the more

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Speaker 1: obscure points that you found was necessary to write down

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Speaker 1: in this letter.

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Speaker 6: Initially, Well, I wrote one just because someone has something

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Speaker 6: you don't doesn't mean they're rich. And many years ago

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Speaker 6: I had as a side business. If you will investment

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Speaker 6: real estate property. And I had a lady who wanted

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Speaker 6: a screen door put on her duplex so she could

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Speaker 6: look out and watch her grandson play in the driveway,

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Speaker 6: and so I put one on. I was very proud

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Speaker 6: of it. I was a straight commissioned sales guy, scrapping

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Speaker 6: every dollar for this invest property. And I went back

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Speaker 6: two weeks later to collect the rent and lo and behold,

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Speaker 6: the screen door was torn off. And not only did

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Speaker 6: she not care about me, All she wanted was a

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Speaker 6: door replaced, and she perceived me to be in a

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Speaker 6: rich guy because I was a guy that collected the rent.

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Speaker 6: And even though I tried to explain to her I

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Speaker 6: was scraping along nickel by nickel, she didn't care. Her

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Speaker 6: perception was I was rich. And it just illustrated to

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Speaker 6: me how often we have perceptions about people based on

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Speaker 6: what we see, and we always need to be careful

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Speaker 6: about that.

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Speaker 1: Well. And you know, and you wrote this letter at

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Speaker 1: a time when there wasn't social media, and how much

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Speaker 1: worse have we come in terms of our perception versus

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Speaker 1: the reality. When you look at somebody's Facebook life and

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Speaker 1: you're like, oh my god, how idyllic is that? And

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Speaker 1: you know, if you know the people who are depicted

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Speaker 1: that way on Facebook or any other social media platform,

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Speaker 1: you might know them to be a miserable family who

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Speaker 1: fights all the time. But Lord Almighty, look at how

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Speaker 1: wonderful they are, and then you start feeling bad because

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Speaker 1: you don't have it as good.

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Speaker 6: Well, there's no doubt that social media has made us

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Speaker 6: much shallower people. And my father used to describe it

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Speaker 6: as people that were a mile wide and an inch deep,

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Speaker 6: and we were seeing had much more today than we

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Speaker 6: were in the past.

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Speaker 1: And my dad always referred to them as empty suits. Fortunately,

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Speaker 1: up until this past November, I had my father in

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Speaker 1: my life. I'm blessed to have a great mother and

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Speaker 1: father who provided me with the greatest gift of life

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Speaker 1: beyond life, which is education. And I thank them regularly

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Speaker 1: for that gift. And this is a important component. You

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Speaker 1: can get educated with the unopened present. And it's a

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Speaker 1: positive message, Richard, and these times, thank you for writing

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Speaker 1: a book with a positive message. We certainly need them

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Speaker 1: these days. And you recommend it again. I guess I

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Speaker 1: love the idea about grandparents passing along a copy to

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Speaker 1: new parents. This sounds like the ideal gift.

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Speaker 6: Well, it's a book that will help give people ideas

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Speaker 6: on living a better life. And if you look back

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Speaker 6: all of the Wendell Holmes Supreme Court Justice said, man's mind,

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Speaker 6: once extended by a new idea, cannot return to its

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Speaker 6: previous state. And with any personal growth type item, all

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Speaker 6: it takes is one idea to be life changing, and

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Speaker 6: we never know when that one idea can happen or

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Speaker 6: the source for it. And that's the greatest thrill for

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Speaker 6: me is when people look at my work and come

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Speaker 6: back and say that idea helped me change my life.

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Speaker 1: That is amazing. Richard Battle, it has been a distinct

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Speaker 1: pleasure talking with you. I feel uplifted just based on

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Speaker 1: the conversation, and my listeners were certainly going to get

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Speaker 1: a copy of your book The Unopened Present, which my

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Speaker 1: producer has put a link to get on my page

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Speaker 1: at fifty five kre sea dot com. Make it real

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Speaker 1: easier for everybody. Just Shy of eight oh six here

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Speaker 1: at fifty five KRCD talk station. A very happy Friday Eve,

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Speaker 1: Brian Thomas, please to welcome my next guest, Vincent Vargas.

722
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Speaker 1: Vince was born and raised Los Angeles, California for four

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Speaker 1: years of active didy the United States Army, serving in

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Speaker 1: three combat deployments with the second Battalion of the Elite

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Speaker 1: seventy fifth Ranger Regiment. Joined the US Army Reserve, where

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Speaker 1: he continues serving as a drill sergeant. Back in nine

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Speaker 1: he became a federal agent with an Apartment of Homeland

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Speaker 1: Security and served as a medic with a Special Operations Group.

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Speaker 1: Also a successful entrepreneur and actor, writer, producer, currently starring

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Speaker 1: on the hitch FX show. Mayans MC motivational speaker. He's

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Speaker 1: also the father of seven children and author and talking

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Speaker 1: about his new book Borderline Defending the Home Front, which

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Speaker 1: is an inside look at the US Mexican border through

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Speaker 1: the eyes of my friend here, Vince Vargas, former US

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Speaker 1: Border Patrol Agent, which we're adding to his resume. Evince,

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Speaker 1: welcome to the program. It's a real pleasure to have

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Speaker 1: you on. And let me start by thanking you for

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Speaker 1: your service to our country.

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Speaker 5: Thank you, thank you for having me.

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Speaker 1: Now, how did you go from from seventy fifth Ranger

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Speaker 1: Regiment to Border Patrol agent? How did you make that

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Speaker 1: connection or even I guess, desire to become a border

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Speaker 1: patrol agent.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I had a friend that told me about the

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Speaker 4: borderful career field in depth, something I had no idea

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Speaker 4: about it, just in passing. I'd see them when I

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Speaker 4: was going to Roseriedo, Mexico to hang out with friends

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Speaker 4: or whatever. But eventually, you know, it came down to

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Speaker 4: wanting to continue to serve my country, but on our

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Speaker 4: own soil.

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Speaker 1: Fair enough. Well, I think at least I can sum

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Speaker 1: up the border from my perspective because I only know

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Speaker 1: what I read in the papers and what I see.

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Speaker 1: It seems to be a bit of a catastrophe. Every day,

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Speaker 1: thousands of people coming across the border. Sometimes they interact

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Speaker 1: with border security folks who it seems have become processors

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Speaker 1: to get them into the country, you know, taking note

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Speaker 1: of who they are, biometrics or whatever they're doing. But

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Speaker 1: then there's also the hundreds of thousands of so called godaways.

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Speaker 1: Everybody's concerned about national security. Who are the people that

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Speaker 1: have come in? Do they mean ill will toward us?

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Speaker 1: But your focus in the book, as I understand, is

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Speaker 1: more on the plight of these people rather than the

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Speaker 1: political battle that they have been used for in Washington,

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Speaker 1: d C.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's kind of two parts, and you have two

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Speaker 5: sides of an argument.

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Speaker 4: You have the left side of the argument the right

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Speaker 4: side of the argument, and everyone wants two different things.

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Speaker 4: You know, you're talking home madsecurity one issue, and then

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Speaker 4: you have immigration another issue. Both of those have to

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Speaker 4: be to be answered in this conversation. And right now

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Speaker 4: currently this subject is so divisive. If I wanted to

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Speaker 4: write a book to really explain the foundation of what

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Speaker 4: the border patrol career field does, which most people.

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Speaker 5: Don't really know, they assume they know.

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Speaker 4: And then as well as once you understand what the

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Speaker 4: border patrol does, you'll have a better understanding of how

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Speaker 4: the process works. Currently, the process that we have in

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Speaker 4: place isn't a benefit to the United States, It's it's

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Speaker 4: a benefit to the to an illegal immigrant who's coming across.

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Speaker 4: We've almost we've almost incentivized illegal immigration. And so how

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Speaker 4: do I explain a lot of this in the book

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Speaker 4: that there's got to be a balance, and right now

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Speaker 4: we're definitely out of balance.

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Speaker 1: Well, do you have a I mean, in your perception,

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Speaker 1: a solution for it. I keep hearing we need to

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Speaker 1: change the immigration laws. The answer to the problem is

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Speaker 1: changing the immigration laws. Well, there are immigration laws on

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Speaker 1: the books, and here I put myself. I want to

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Speaker 1: try and put myself in the position of a border

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Speaker 1: patrol agent. They know what the law is and they're

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Speaker 1: supposed to enforce the law as border patrol agents, and

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Speaker 1: yet they're getting conflicting information from the lords and masters

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Speaker 1: who are sort of using their prosecutorial discretion to ignore

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Speaker 1: the laws and allow people to come in who aren't

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Speaker 1: lawfully allowed to come in under the current law. Have

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Speaker 1: I got that wrong?

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Speaker 4: Then's yeah, it's partially wrong. The truth of the matter

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Speaker 4: goes that the border traders are still doing their job.

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Speaker 5: It's after they process them. What is the policy that's

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Speaker 5: put in place?

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Speaker 4: And currently people are getting released into the United States

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Speaker 4: with a notice to appear, which only three percent actually

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Speaker 4: returned to a peer. And so it's not a border

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Speaker 4: patrol issue so much as it's higher up. It's the

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Speaker 4: disconnect between the policy and what is enforced. Anyone entering

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Speaker 4: the country illegally is breaking a law still to this day,

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Speaker 4: and they still have to be processed. But after the

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Speaker 4: border patrol is done processing them is where the issue lies.

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Speaker 5: How are we holding them? Are we detaining them?

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Speaker 1: And so on and so forth fair enough. Well, while incentivizing,

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Speaker 1: I mean, I agree with your assessment. We have incentivized

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Speaker 1: them to come. No one is saying don't come. You're

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Speaker 1: not gonna be able to come in. If you cross

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Speaker 1: through a neutral country, you won't be allowed in some

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Speaker 1: of the rules that are in place. But the misery

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Speaker 1: by incentivizing them. People go on thousands of miles journey

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Speaker 1: from the four corners of the world to go up

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Speaker 1: through Mexico through all this harsh terrain and the drug

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Speaker 1: cartels and the smugglers, and they face so many challenges

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Speaker 1: and so much misery along the way. And then it

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Speaker 1: doesn't necessarily end there. As I understand it, So many

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Speaker 1: of the younger people are being are victims of human traffickers,

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Speaker 1: and that the cartels continue to make money off of them.

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Speaker 1: I guess a concept of like indentured servitude for having

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Speaker 1: brought them to the border in the first place.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's correct.

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Speaker 4: It's everything that happens down south is a mess. It's

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Speaker 4: a lot of manipulation happening. It puts a lot of

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Speaker 4: them at risk, and it's two parts. One the manipulation

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Speaker 4: by traffic organizations, but the other part is us and

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Speaker 4: how it's easy to circumvent our current system.

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Speaker 1: Tell me about this elite search and rescue unit called

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Speaker 1: Borstar which you volunteer to participate in.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: So, Borchstar and Bortech are the two special operations unit

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Speaker 4: in the Border Patrol. They're not spoken of publicly too often,

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Speaker 4: but they they served a great deal down on our

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Speaker 4: borders and doing the mission. Borchstar specifically provides search, medical,

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Speaker 4: and trauma services all across the border for not just

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Speaker 4: illegal immigrants, but for Americans anyone in the borders, from

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Speaker 4: car accidents to search and rescue situations to any kind

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Speaker 4: of medical intervention that needs to happen in those borders.

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Speaker 4: We rescue more lives than most agencies out there will

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Speaker 4: ever even see. I've done swift water rescues for truckers

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Speaker 4: who are swept off by by massive water massive you know,

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Speaker 4: high high water issues.

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Speaker 5: And so this is a career feel that no one

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Speaker 5: really knows all the fine details.

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Speaker 1: Of well I understand. I mean, I don't want to

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Speaker 1: draw draw parallels from your service in the Middle East

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Speaker 1: to the border situation. I'd like to think the border

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Speaker 1: isn't nearly as bad as combat, but you there have

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Speaker 1: been gun battles on the border.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, well, you know, I.

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Speaker 4: Think there's a misconception of how often that happens. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: there's definitely, there's definitely, you know, the cartel on the

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Speaker 4: Mexican side, they're always fighting for control of their area,

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Speaker 4: But on our side, it doesn't cross over as often

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Speaker 4: as the media elect to portray or people want to

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Speaker 4: assume it does happen. There's always a chance when you're

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Speaker 4: doing law enforcement and you're doing such a dangerous job,

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Speaker 4: and especially dealing with drugs and smuggling, there's a chance

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Speaker 4: that there's someone going to be armed, but it's not

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Speaker 4: as prevalent as the world likes to believe it is.

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Speaker 1: Well, that's comforting information. What's the morale like among the

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Speaker 1: border patrol agents? I imagine my understanding is there's the

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Speaker 1: concerns about being under funded and understaffed. Obviously the dangers

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Speaker 1: associated with the job are how are they able to

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Speaker 1: maintain a decent morale and continue to do their job?

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Speaker 4: Then, yeah, that's that's a challenge, right when you have

873
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Speaker 4: a system that's that's in place right now that they

874
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Speaker 4: demonize the border patrol career field, like everyone in the

875
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Speaker 4: media is wanting to say to blame the border patrol.

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Speaker 5: They want to say the borderfoal is that fault the

877
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Speaker 5: portfol does this.

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Speaker 4: That's not easy to do a job day in and

879
00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:26,640
Speaker 4: day out, that's selfless, and to be demonized and.

880
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:29,279
Speaker 5: To be politicized.

881
00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:31,920
Speaker 4: It makes it so hard to do this job and

882
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Speaker 4: be proud of it because no one is supporting them.

883
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Speaker 4: And that's the big reason why writing this book, I

884
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Speaker 4: want to really highlight how important this career field is

885
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Speaker 4: for America.

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Speaker 1: Well, I think among my listening I haven't ever heard

887
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Speaker 1: personally people demonize the border patrol agents. I kind of

888
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Speaker 1: feel like they've been stuck between a rock and a

889
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Speaker 1: hard place, given the well the confusing nature of our

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Speaker 1: immigration policy. It's I don't think anybody's laying the blame.

891
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Speaker 1: It's like laying the blame on the police department for crime.

892
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Speaker 1: I don't believe that the out of control border situation

893
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Speaker 1: is being bled on the border patrol agents. Perhaps some

894
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Speaker 1: on one political perspective or another blame the border prol

895
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Speaker 1: agents for even doing their job and protecting the border. Absolutely,

896
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Speaker 1: you're right, So if you could have your way. Vince

897
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Speaker 1: vince Vargas, author A Borderline defending the home front. If

898
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Speaker 1: you could lay hands on what the obvious multitude of

899
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Speaker 1: problems are on it, how do we fix the situation?

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Speaker 1: What would your sort of thumbnail sketch of legislation or

901
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Speaker 1: fixes include vents?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, this is like a it's not a

903
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Speaker 5: one plus one equals two enter. This is like a

904
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Speaker 5: recipe for a cake. Right, So there's a lot of

905
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Speaker 5: layers here.

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Speaker 9: You know.

907
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Speaker 5: One first thing is not incentivize it.

908
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Speaker 2: Right.

909
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Speaker 5: We have to make it a challenge to come across illegally.

910
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Speaker 4: You break the law, you have to serve time, you know,

911
00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:48,200
Speaker 4: and so you start to create deterrence when people know

912
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Speaker 4: they'll go to jail for coming illegally. Now that's obviously

913
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Speaker 4: a different conversation for US seeking asylum. There has to

914
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Speaker 4: be a better process to really identify if they're seeking asylum,

915
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Speaker 4: if they come from a country that can deem it

916
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Speaker 4: seeking asylum. But on top of that, you have to

917
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Speaker 4: start addressing South America. We have to start addressing the

918
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Speaker 4: conversation of the manipulation that happens for trafficking organizations. We

919
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Speaker 4: have to teach and educate what's the right way of

920
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Speaker 4: doing it, but also those who do it. The right way,

921
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Speaker 4: sometimes have to wait twelve years. So maybe we have

922
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Speaker 4: to create a streamline process for those who are genuinely

923
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Speaker 4: coming here to invest back into our country, who want

924
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Speaker 4: to see this country be successful, and so those individuals

925
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Speaker 4: should be given the opportunity to have a streamline process.

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Speaker 5: There's a lot of layers to this that we have

927
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Speaker 5: to address, but we could start there and I think

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Speaker 5: we'll start seeing changes.

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Speaker 1: Well in something else that seems to me to have

930
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Speaker 1: deteriorated pretty substantially from the prior administration to this one

931
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Speaker 1: is our relationship with Mexico. I don't know if that's

932
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Speaker 1: because the drug cartels have completed and successfully taken over

933
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Speaker 1: Mexican government generally, and they're getting their way because they

934
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Speaker 1: make so much money off of trafficking these immigrants through

935
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Speaker 1: the country. But Mexico was tended to be cooperating with

936
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Speaker 1: Trump and keeping the flow within the country or otherwise

937
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Speaker 1: removing the folks that are coming in through the southern

938
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Speaker 1: part of Mexico and keeping them in those other countries

939
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Speaker 1: that seems to have just disappeared. It now seems like

940
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Speaker 1: Mexico's facilitating this.

941
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Speaker 4: You know, it's really tough down there with a lot

942
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Speaker 4: of the corruption that does happen, like you've hit it

943
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Speaker 4: the nail right in the head. It's like when someone

944
00:47:19,080 --> 00:47:21,279
Speaker 4: takes over and wants to put their foot down, will

945
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Speaker 4: they be assassinated?

946
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Speaker 5: And so we have to see what's going on down there.

947
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Speaker 5: But we still have to manage our own borders, and

948
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Speaker 5: currently our policies in place are not helping us.

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Speaker 1: Fascinating book, Vince Vargus, Let me thank you again for

950
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Speaker 1: your service to our country and your ongoing continued service

951
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Speaker 1: Borderline Defending the Home Front by my guests today, Vincent Vargas. Vince,

952
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Speaker 1: we made it real easy for my listeners get a

953
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Speaker 1: copy of your book. My producers put it on my

954
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Speaker 1: blog page fifty five cars dot com. Click on the link,

955
00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:47,960
Speaker 1: get a copy, learn about the difficult nature of the job,

956
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Speaker 1: and have some respect for the border patrol agents. We

957
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Speaker 1: got your back, Vince, and I appreciate you know on

958
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Speaker 1: the program today and for writing the book about it.

959
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Speaker 1: Thank you so much, my pleasure. Eight seventeen fifty five krs.

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Speaker 1: The talk station ah US lead list as I can

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Speaker 1: be to welcome my next guest, her named doctor Rachel Arenfeld,

962
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Speaker 1: author of the book We're going to be talking about

963
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Speaker 1: this morning, the Soros Agenda. Her background is extensive and

964
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Speaker 1: I will try to give you enough information on it.

965
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Speaker 1: See get an idea where she's coming from. Founder and

966
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Speaker 1: president of the New York based American Center for Democracy

967
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Speaker 1: and the Economic Warfare Institute. She takes a multi multi

968
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Speaker 1: disciplinary approach and looks at all kinds of factors out

969
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Speaker 1: in the world that influence US economic warfare, disinformation, free

970
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Speaker 1: speech and doctrination, propaganda, PC, coercion, law, fair yeah, the

971
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Speaker 1: warfare with the law, corruption, etc. Focusing on identifying patterns

972
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Speaker 1: of what seemed to be unrelated domestic and foreign events

973
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Speaker 1: as they link to threaten the United States political and

974
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Speaker 1: social economic stability. More than fifteen hundred publications, five books,

975
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Speaker 1: academic and policy papers She's written us slew of them

976
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Speaker 1: and appeared in every major news outlet, including my favorite,

977
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Speaker 1: The Wall Street Journal and The New York Times, Forbes Newsweek.

978
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Speaker 1: I could go on, but let's talk about the Soros Agenda.

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Speaker 1: Doctor Rachel Hinfeld, Welcome to the fifty Care Morning Show.

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Speaker 1: It's a real pleasure to have you on today.

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Speaker 10: Thank you very much, thank you for having me, and

982
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Speaker 10: good morning, good morning.

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Speaker 1: You called it a couple of decades ago, unchallenged, Soros

984
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Speaker 1: would change the political landscape of the United States. And

985
00:49:16,239 --> 00:49:18,520
Speaker 1: there is no question in my mind. He has billions

986
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Speaker 1: of dollars and the sort of an out loud question.

987
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Speaker 1: You go back to one of the quotes, and you

988
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Speaker 1: quoted Georgesaurus. If I spend enough, I can make it right.

989
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Speaker 1: Your book addresses what does he mean by right? Why

990
00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:34,080
Speaker 1: is he so interested in undermining the freedoms and liberties

991
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Speaker 1: that we enjoy here in America that do not exist

992
00:49:36,600 --> 00:49:37,720
Speaker 1: elsewhere in the world.

993
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Speaker 10: Doctor because he wants to create another society. He wants

994
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Speaker 10: to change America. He said that. He said that the

995
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Speaker 10: main obstacle to a stable and just world order is

996
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Speaker 10: the United States. This happened after the Soviet Union included

997
00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:04,480
Speaker 10: and Uh. Until then he was preaching for democracy and

998
00:50:04,680 --> 00:50:09,239
Speaker 10: for capitalism one that was gone. It was like the democraty.

999
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Speaker 10: Right after it was gone, he started to be the

1000
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Speaker 10: too held actually socialism, I didn't call him that, He

1001
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Speaker 10: didn't call it. That is in socialism and anti capitalism

1002
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Speaker 10: and anti anti American propaganda.

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Speaker 9: And uh.

1004
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Speaker 10: He has his uh philosophy which he which basically comes

1005
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Speaker 10: down to what he thinks should be a different society

1006
00:50:44,239 --> 00:50:48,800
Speaker 10: with a different conceptual, conceptual look, with a different manner,

1007
00:50:49,080 --> 00:50:53,279
Speaker 10: with a different uh world view, with the different uh

1008
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Speaker 10: different social and social, political and economic uh reah it

1009
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Speaker 10: is which he actually if we want to summarize what

1010
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Speaker 10: it is, because.

1011
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:13,640
Speaker 11: It's so such a mumbo jumbo combination of Rwelian Awelian

1012
00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:18,680
Speaker 11: ideas and language and the new Brave world of Aldo

1013
00:51:18,840 --> 00:51:23,920
Speaker 11: Saxley and sources on neo Marxist ideas, let's call it

1014
00:51:24,080 --> 00:51:24,760
Speaker 11: all a stunt.

1015
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Speaker 10: I think that would be good.

1016
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Speaker 1: He's in favor of a Dystopian or Weellian world where

1017
00:51:31,960 --> 00:51:35,040
Speaker 1: the top controls everything, our thoughts, our impressions, what we

1018
00:51:35,120 --> 00:51:38,400
Speaker 1: can read, what we can't read, How we think that that?

1019
00:51:38,640 --> 00:51:42,080
Speaker 1: How is how in any rational? Maybe it's maybe maybe

1020
00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:44,839
Speaker 1: he is completely irrational? How is in that in any

1021
00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:47,440
Speaker 1: way shape of reform stable and just.

1022
00:51:49,719 --> 00:51:53,200
Speaker 10: Well stable and just according to his point of view.

1023
00:51:54,040 --> 00:51:58,400
Speaker 10: Look at look at what is happening now with our well,

1024
00:51:58,760 --> 00:52:04,640
Speaker 10: our previous justice system, our old justice system. He from

1025
00:52:04,719 --> 00:52:09,399
Speaker 10: the beginning when he started his activities here, and that's

1026
00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:13,160
Speaker 10: when I realized what was going on, and I warned

1027
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Speaker 10: against not challenging him. I suggested to challenge him was

1028
00:52:20,920 --> 00:52:24,160
Speaker 10: changing the laws. And he didn't go to Congress to

1029
00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:29,000
Speaker 10: change the laws. He chose the system where he wanted

1030
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Speaker 10: to change the laws from within the states, within the localities,

1031
00:52:35,080 --> 00:52:40,160
Speaker 10: not through Congress. And unfortunately it was successful pretty much.

1032
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Speaker 10: Look at the best example is the drug organization movement,

1033
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Speaker 10: which he started and funded. There was a little movement before,

1034
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Speaker 10: but he took it up. He funded it with a

1035
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Speaker 10: lot of money, created his own organization, and in nineteen

1036
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Speaker 10: ninety six nineteen ninety five when drug legalizations at the

1037
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Speaker 10: time so called marijuana legalization started and now everybody in

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Speaker 10: the United States can then can get doped as much

1039
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Speaker 10: as they want, right right, So he only duped the

1040
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Speaker 10: system into approving something that he said where many drugs

1041
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Speaker 10: are addictive but not marijuana. Well, he knew at the

1042
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Speaker 10: time that marijuana was addicted, and we certainly have since

1043
00:53:31,680 --> 00:53:37,120
Speaker 10: then mountains of evidence to show how addictive marijuana is.

1044
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Speaker 10: Yet each state is doing whatever they can in order

1045
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Speaker 10: to legalize it because of greed. They have so much money.

1046
00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:50,880
Speaker 10: There is so much money in the business, legal and illegal.

1047
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Speaker 10: And this is crazy because marijuana causes not only psychosis,

1048
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Speaker 10: not only all kinds of mental problems, but also makes

1049
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Speaker 10: your bodies seek This is the worst enslavement of a

1050
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Speaker 10: human being, drug addiction, and he succeeded in it, and

1051
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Speaker 10: he succeeded in changing. At the time when he suggested it,

1052
00:54:13,280 --> 00:54:18,560
Speaker 10: drug legalization was unthinkable, unacceptable, but he managed to actually

1053
00:54:19,239 --> 00:54:22,320
Speaker 10: have enough for pa Ganda to get it done and

1054
00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:26,200
Speaker 10: there are now we see it more moving forward, we

1055
00:54:26,320 --> 00:54:30,080
Speaker 10: see it how he changed the legal system by getting

1056
00:54:30,560 --> 00:54:35,919
Speaker 10: das elected, das that don't want to actually apply the law,

1057
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Speaker 10: that are acting against the non criminals, against the vistims

1058
00:54:43,120 --> 00:54:48,200
Speaker 10: actually and working with the criminals. So basically what he

1059
00:54:48,280 --> 00:54:51,720
Speaker 10: has done and he hasn't been doing, is creating cows

1060
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Speaker 10: in this country, a racial division, gender new genderism, working

1061
00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:04,800
Speaker 10: to promote abortion, and by the time they will be

1062
00:55:05,360 --> 00:55:09,160
Speaker 10: if they are very successful with their transgenderism, is there's

1063
00:55:09,239 --> 00:55:16,560
Speaker 10: no pushback and having abortion laws the federal government will

1064
00:55:17,040 --> 00:55:22,480
Speaker 10: announce or as Biden is doing it, having executive order

1065
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Speaker 10: that abortion is allowed. And in between these two, well,

1066
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Speaker 10: I guess they won't have to worry too much about

1067
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Speaker 10: abortions because castrated people don't produce too much abortion.

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Speaker 1: That's true, that is true. My guest today, doctor Rachel Erinfeld.

1069
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Speaker 1: We're talking about her book. This Soro's agenda. Well, on

1070
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Speaker 1: the marijuana legalization, it seems kind of it's an interesting ploy.

1071
00:55:46,960 --> 00:55:50,360
Speaker 1: I guess many folks believe, you know, why would we

1072
00:55:50,520 --> 00:55:53,399
Speaker 1: ever criminalize self abuse? And I happen to be among

1073
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Speaker 1: those folks. For example, alcohol is I would say, equally,

1074
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Speaker 1: if not a greater problem than marijuana, simply because it's

1075
00:55:58,880 --> 00:56:03,160
Speaker 1: more prevalent. Its millions of people, liver crhosis, breaks up families.

1076
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Speaker 1: You know, we could go on and on. We had

1077
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Speaker 1: a failed experiment when we tried to with through prohibition,

1078
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Speaker 1: so that didn't work with alcohol.

1079
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Speaker 10: With alcohol takes longer to be a trick.

1080
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Speaker 1: But I gets okay, and we can make the medical

1081
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Speaker 1: argument is a difference. My only point is that a

1082
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Speaker 1: country that embraces freedom can be drawn to this argument that, well,

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Speaker 1: we should just legalize marijuana. Why are we throwing people

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00:56:26,920 --> 00:56:28,840
Speaker 1: in jail that are, you know, buying and selling marijuana?

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00:56:29,160 --> 00:56:31,840
Speaker 1: That there's a certain freedom appeal to that, a freedom

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00:56:31,880 --> 00:56:34,239
Speaker 1: that he does not believe in yet is using to

1087
00:56:34,400 --> 00:56:37,279
Speaker 1: advance his agenda. The underlying point, though it sounds like

1088
00:56:37,360 --> 00:56:40,880
Speaker 1: you're saying, is he knows it's terrible for us. Clearly,

1089
00:56:41,040 --> 00:56:44,200
Speaker 1: legalization is going to result in more people using marijuana,

1090
00:56:44,280 --> 00:56:47,319
Speaker 1: so it undermines the stability of the United States. That's

1091
00:56:47,400 --> 00:56:47,719
Speaker 1: his goal.

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Speaker 10: But he knows, but he knows that this is terrible,

1093
00:56:52,360 --> 00:56:57,439
Speaker 10: and so so all the medical associations that's approved. It's

1094
00:56:57,520 --> 00:57:01,160
Speaker 10: not the laws that are bad and therefore you shouldn't

1095
00:57:01,239 --> 00:57:05,160
Speaker 10: use them. It's not the laws. It's because the chemical

1096
00:57:05,239 --> 00:57:08,680
Speaker 10: effect of the physiological effects of the drugs which you

1097
00:57:08,719 --> 00:57:11,200
Speaker 10: are taking on your body, right on your system. It

1098
00:57:11,320 --> 00:57:14,040
Speaker 10: sleaves you old branded slaves your own body. And now

1099
00:57:14,280 --> 00:57:21,000
Speaker 10: they are actually legalizing all drugs in Oregon, in Washington State,

1100
00:57:21,120 --> 00:57:25,120
Speaker 10: it's different places. This is crazy. So Heroin and Sentinel

1101
00:57:25,680 --> 00:57:30,200
Speaker 10: and whatever you want you can take. So we have

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00:57:30,360 --> 00:57:33,080
Speaker 10: more criminalists and we have more homeless people in the streets.

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Speaker 1: That's the point though, right, I mean, he knows about

1104
00:57:37,680 --> 00:57:41,720
Speaker 1: everything you're saying, and he can make all these libertarian

1105
00:57:41,960 --> 00:57:45,800
Speaker 1: freedom gestures in the name of not criminalizing people. But

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00:57:45,920 --> 00:57:49,200
Speaker 1: your point being, all this evidence suggests the reason he

1107
00:57:49,440 --> 00:57:51,680
Speaker 1: is after this as an agenda item is because it

1108
00:57:51,840 --> 00:57:52,920
Speaker 1: does destroy us.

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Speaker 10: Yes, but well that's his agenda. The question is why

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00:57:58,200 --> 00:58:04,120
Speaker 10: are we Why are why are governors of states people

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00:58:04,160 --> 00:58:10,920
Speaker 10: who are elected to the states, judges, public thinkers, Uh,

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00:58:11,120 --> 00:58:14,640
Speaker 10: the newspapers. Why why is the medical association? Why is

1113
00:58:14,720 --> 00:58:18,320
Speaker 10: this allowed? Well, I this was this seems to be

1114
00:58:18,360 --> 00:58:20,800
Speaker 10: a free country. We should we should have opposed because

1115
00:58:20,800 --> 00:58:24,080
Speaker 10: there was no pushback. You saw a lot of pro

1116
00:58:24,280 --> 00:58:28,880
Speaker 10: pro pro pro pro god majuana from marijuana legalization. You

1117
00:58:29,000 --> 00:58:29,800
Speaker 10: didn't see anything.

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00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:35,800
Speaker 1: Again, going to the research that you do, this multi

1119
00:58:36,040 --> 00:58:39,120
Speaker 1: multidisciplinary approach that you take, and you look at disinformation,

1120
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Speaker 1: and you look at indoctrination, you look at all these

1121
00:58:41,280 --> 00:58:44,880
Speaker 1: different elements and what the net effect is on our culture.

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00:58:44,920 --> 00:58:47,680
Speaker 1: And I understand that the problem that you and I

1123
00:58:47,920 --> 00:58:50,480
Speaker 1: and others who have a better sense about things have

1124
00:58:50,960 --> 00:58:54,840
Speaker 1: is getting the message out. The message is quite often there,

1125
00:58:55,360 --> 00:58:58,960
Speaker 1: and the anti marijuana legalization or the pro police message,

1126
00:58:59,120 --> 00:59:02,400
Speaker 1: or the freedom message is there. It's just quashed. It's

1127
00:59:02,520 --> 00:59:05,800
Speaker 1: suppressed by all these forces that he seems to have

1128
00:59:05,960 --> 00:59:09,880
Speaker 1: his hands in Twitter and Facebook and social media. I mean,

1129
00:59:09,920 --> 00:59:12,360
Speaker 1: if you can't find out Hunter Biden's laptop is real

1130
00:59:12,400 --> 00:59:14,120
Speaker 1: when our own federal government knew about it for a

1131
00:59:14,160 --> 00:59:16,600
Speaker 1: couple of years and the federal government takes steps to

1132
00:59:16,720 --> 00:59:19,880
Speaker 1: quash that information from getting out to American people. You've

1133
00:59:19,920 --> 00:59:22,680
Speaker 1: got a real uphill challenge here, and that's something he

1134
00:59:22,920 --> 00:59:24,600
Speaker 1: is also funding. Is it not?

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Speaker 10: Well, Apparently he's behind the Democratic Party. For sure, He's

1136
00:59:30,840 --> 00:59:33,560
Speaker 10: not the only one. But this is why I owed

1137
00:59:33,640 --> 00:59:36,600
Speaker 10: the book. I lowed the book The Souce Agenda land

1138
00:59:36,720 --> 00:59:40,320
Speaker 10: out his agenda, the different planks he had, and also

1139
00:59:40,480 --> 00:59:42,840
Speaker 10: the strategies that he has been using in order to

1140
00:59:42,960 --> 00:59:47,320
Speaker 10: implement them. And people who want to stand up need

1141
00:59:47,440 --> 00:59:49,560
Speaker 10: to know their enemy.

1142
00:59:50,280 --> 00:59:52,120
Speaker 1: So amen, you'll read the book.

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Speaker 10: We'll see, we'll see how this has been done, and

1144
00:59:55,240 --> 00:59:57,480
Speaker 10: we'll be able to challenge it and count it.

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Speaker 1: There you go, Doctor Rachel aaronfel from behalf of all

1146
01:00:01,160 --> 01:00:03,800
Speaker 1: my listeners. There on your side. I'm on your side.

1147
01:00:03,800 --> 01:00:05,480
Speaker 1: The name of the book, the Soros Agenda. We can

1148
01:00:05,520 --> 01:00:07,760
Speaker 1: all get a copy at fifty five care see dot com.

1149
01:00:08,200 --> 01:00:11,080
Speaker 1: My producers put your link right there for all to get.

1150
01:00:11,120 --> 01:00:13,439
Speaker 1: I will recommend people buy it. I will recommend people

1151
01:00:13,600 --> 01:00:16,120
Speaker 1: share it and spread the news about the Soris Agenda.

1152
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Speaker 1: Doctor Ehrenfeld, keep up the great work, and thank you

1153
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Speaker 1: for bringing this to our attention this morning. Welcome to

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Speaker 1: the program, Bob Drury. He is the recipient of several

1155
01:00:23,800 --> 01:00:27,400
Speaker 1: National Journalism Awards, a three time National Magazine Award finalists,

1156
01:00:27,640 --> 01:00:31,560
Speaker 1: Pulitzer Prize nominee. He's honed his investigated skills writing for

1157
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Speaker 1: all four New York City newspapers, as well as a

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Speaker 1: variety of national publications. He went from sports writing to

1159
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Speaker 1: crime and adventure, travel, foreign correspondent, author and co author

1160
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Speaker 1: or editor of more than ten non fiction books. You

1161
01:00:44,920 --> 01:00:46,640
Speaker 1: may have read many of them. The book we're talking

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01:00:46,640 --> 01:00:49,880
Speaker 1: about today he wrote, along with Tom Clavin, Throne of

1163
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Speaker 1: Grace a Mountain Man, an epic adventure in the bloody

1164
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Speaker 1: Conquest of the American West. Bob Jury, Welcome to the

1165
01:00:55,360 --> 01:00:57,040
Speaker 1: fifty five cares in morning, So it's real pleasure to

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01:00:57,080 --> 01:00:58,760
Speaker 1: have you on. I was going to ask you because

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Speaker 1: I've been I've been reading the counts of these Columbia

1168
01:01:01,040 --> 01:01:04,080
Speaker 1: law students, and they're asking and demanding that the school

1169
01:01:04,240 --> 01:01:07,160
Speaker 1: cancel final exams and give a passing grade to all

1170
01:01:07,240 --> 01:01:11,680
Speaker 1: students because they have been irrevocably shaken after witnessing police

1171
01:01:11,880 --> 01:01:15,720
Speaker 1: arrest their fellow protesters. They can't handle the trauma of

1172
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Speaker 1: seeing someone arrested. Bob, do you think they could manage

1173
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Speaker 1: the life of Jedediah Smith.

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Speaker 12: Brian, I don't think I could say, well, I'm an

1175
01:01:25,480 --> 01:01:28,720
Speaker 12: old timer now, but in my ute, so to speak,

1176
01:01:29,040 --> 01:01:32,520
Speaker 12: I mean, I was in the edens of the earth Afghanistan, Iraq.

1177
01:01:33,400 --> 01:01:36,200
Speaker 12: I took some shrapnel in Sarajevo, I got shot in Darfur.

1178
01:01:36,760 --> 01:01:42,640
Speaker 12: I could not handle the life of Jededia Smith, those

1179
01:01:42,760 --> 01:01:46,320
Speaker 12: mountain men. I mean, what they went through, and it

1180
01:01:46,520 --> 01:01:49,600
Speaker 12: was normal. I mean, whether you're crossing a freezing river,

1181
01:01:49,760 --> 01:01:53,480
Speaker 12: that is a frozen river that you fall through and

1182
01:01:53,560 --> 01:01:58,320
Speaker 12: it freezes the legs off your pack mules. The next

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01:01:58,440 --> 01:02:02,600
Speaker 12: corner there might be an Indian attack deserts. You know,

1184
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Speaker 12: Smith was the first euro American to cross both the

1185
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Speaker 12: Escalante and the Mojave Desert, first American to hit California

1186
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Speaker 12: from the east. So the short answer, I guess that

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Speaker 12: was a long answer is no, hell no.

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Speaker 1: But you know what, true folks like Jedediar Smith to

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Speaker 1: go out into completely uncharted, at least from the mindset

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Speaker 1: of an early American. I appreciate Native Americans were living

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01:02:27,320 --> 01:02:29,640
Speaker 1: there before we showed up and screaming at the radio

1192
01:02:29,680 --> 01:02:32,600
Speaker 1: folks out there. Okay, we all get that, but you're

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01:02:32,720 --> 01:02:34,960
Speaker 1: Jededia Smith. You're on the east coast, and you're like,

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Speaker 1: we got this land purchase that Thomas Jefferson engaged in,

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Speaker 1: and so you've got early nineteenth century, all this land

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Speaker 1: yet to be explored by the American population, and you

1197
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Speaker 1: go into it not knowing what you're going to face.

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Speaker 1: That takes either a tremendous amount of stones or an

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Speaker 1: unbelievable amount of ignorance, because you should have a lot

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Speaker 1: of fear when you're thinking about doing something like that.

1201
01:02:57,480 --> 01:03:01,040
Speaker 1: But yet there were guys like this that did it well.

1202
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Speaker 12: I think in Smith's case he was an anomaly. Most

1203
01:03:05,200 --> 01:03:10,040
Speaker 12: of these land pirates and reprobates and that became mountain men.

1204
01:03:10,120 --> 01:03:12,400
Speaker 12: I think they were in it for the money beaver trapping.

1205
01:03:12,480 --> 01:03:14,640
Speaker 12: At the time that beaver was the most expensive fur

1206
01:03:14,720 --> 01:03:16,240
Speaker 12: in the world, and you could make a lot of

1207
01:03:16,280 --> 01:03:18,680
Speaker 12: money up in the mountains. But Smith, when he was

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01:03:18,760 --> 01:03:22,720
Speaker 12: a kid, a doctor, a local doctor had given him

1209
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Speaker 12: the journals of Lewis and Clark, and he was about

1210
01:03:26,360 --> 01:03:28,640
Speaker 12: twelve or thirteen, and he decided he wanted to follow

1211
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Speaker 12: in their footsteps. They were his idols.

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Speaker 13: Now.

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Speaker 12: If he was going to make a little money along

1214
01:03:32,840 --> 01:03:35,120
Speaker 12: the way, fine, And so he made his way to

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Speaker 12: Saint Louis, which of course was in the westernmost part

1216
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Speaker 12: of the United States, Missouri, the westernmost state, and signed

1217
01:03:42,240 --> 01:03:44,520
Speaker 12: up for one of the first fur trapping operations to

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01:03:44,560 --> 01:03:47,520
Speaker 12: go up into the Rockies and beyond. And as I said,

1219
01:03:47,800 --> 01:03:50,200
Speaker 12: there was an economic factor there. You could make a

1220
01:03:50,280 --> 01:03:53,080
Speaker 12: lot of money, and he did. But I think in

1221
01:03:53,280 --> 01:03:58,479
Speaker 12: Smith's case, he wanted He didn't want fame. He wasn't

1222
01:03:58,520 --> 01:04:02,120
Speaker 12: a crocket or a boon. He wanted adventure and.

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Speaker 6: He sure found it.

1224
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Speaker 12: I mean twice he made it to the West coast,

1225
01:04:07,120 --> 01:04:10,160
Speaker 12: whereas Lewis and Clark only did it once. He was

1226
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Speaker 12: I was kind of gratified. We got a review yesterday

1227
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Speaker 12: in the Los Angeles Times that Jedediah Smith is our

1228
01:04:16,240 --> 01:04:20,560
Speaker 12: most unheard of and perhaps most important nineteenth century explorer.

1229
01:04:21,120 --> 01:04:24,200
Speaker 12: And when Tom and I decided to kind of settle

1230
01:04:24,280 --> 01:04:27,280
Speaker 12: on him as our guide through this era. We consider

1231
01:04:27,400 --> 01:04:30,760
Speaker 12: Throne of Grace a biography of the era as opposed

1232
01:04:30,800 --> 01:04:33,600
Speaker 12: to a biography of Jed Smith. But we needed a guide,

1233
01:04:33,640 --> 01:04:36,920
Speaker 12: someone to take us through it, and Smith Zelig like

1234
01:04:37,480 --> 01:04:39,680
Speaker 12: just happened to be everywhere where something was happening.

1235
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Speaker 1: Well, how did the where do you get the name

1236
01:04:41,520 --> 01:04:42,320
Speaker 1: Throne of Grace.

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Speaker 12: It's from the Bible. See once again anomaly. All these

1238
01:04:49,160 --> 01:04:53,600
Speaker 12: whiskey swilling, cigars smoking, they all these mountain men, they

1239
01:04:53,600 --> 01:04:56,160
Speaker 12: all womaned up, as they called it, with a quote

1240
01:04:56,280 --> 01:05:01,000
Speaker 12: unquote Indian wife. But Smith was from this hard Puritan stock.

1241
01:05:01,640 --> 01:05:06,120
Speaker 12: And there was a wonderful quote from one of his contemporaries,

1242
01:05:06,200 --> 01:05:09,360
Speaker 12: considered the mountaintop his altar, and the forest glade is

1243
01:05:09,440 --> 01:05:13,960
Speaker 12: confessional and so late when he was writing letters back

1244
01:05:14,000 --> 01:05:16,680
Speaker 12: to his brother, back to his father, and at one

1245
01:05:16,760 --> 01:05:20,560
Speaker 12: point he said, oh, I miss home so much. It's

1246
01:05:20,600 --> 01:05:23,200
Speaker 12: been five years since I was in Saint Louis. I

1247
01:05:23,480 --> 01:05:26,560
Speaker 12: longed to be in the Christian community. I longed to

1248
01:05:26,680 --> 01:05:29,640
Speaker 12: be in the almighties throne of Grace. And as soon

1249
01:05:29,720 --> 01:05:32,120
Speaker 12: as I read that one of his letters, I said, Tom,

1250
01:05:32,160 --> 01:05:32,800
Speaker 12: there's our title.

1251
01:05:32,920 --> 01:05:36,400
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean perfect you never you never know.

1252
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Speaker 12: I mean the Daniel Boone book. We wrote Blood and Treasure,

1253
01:05:40,400 --> 01:05:43,360
Speaker 12: almost the same thing. Late in life. Daniel Boone was

1254
01:05:43,400 --> 01:05:45,480
Speaker 12: giving an interview to this. I'm not sure if it

1255
01:05:45,560 --> 01:05:49,640
Speaker 12: was a magazine writer, a dime store novelist, and he said,

1256
01:05:49,840 --> 01:05:52,520
Speaker 12: I've given so much blood and treasure because he had

1257
01:05:52,560 --> 01:05:55,080
Speaker 12: lost three children. I've given so much blood and treasure

1258
01:05:55,160 --> 01:05:57,360
Speaker 12: to this country, and Tom and I just said, there's

1259
01:05:57,400 --> 01:06:00,439
Speaker 12: our title, blood treasure. It was the same thing Throne

1260
01:06:00,480 --> 01:06:03,880
Speaker 12: of Grace. I think it's Hebrews for sixteen. I'm not

1261
01:06:04,120 --> 01:06:06,360
Speaker 12: that much of a religious man, but I knew I

1262
01:06:06,480 --> 01:06:08,440
Speaker 12: was going to get this question, and Throne of Grace

1263
01:06:08,680 --> 01:06:11,840
Speaker 12: just it summed up what he was all about and

1264
01:06:12,000 --> 01:06:15,280
Speaker 12: basically what the country he was discovering was all about.

1265
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Speaker 1: Well, considering the moment in time you were in and

1266
01:06:17,880 --> 01:06:20,400
Speaker 1: you talk about you know, they maybe money was a factor.

1267
01:06:20,520 --> 01:06:23,800
Speaker 1: They obviously the fur trading was lucrative. How in the

1268
01:06:23,960 --> 01:06:26,240
Speaker 1: name of hell were they able to get their wares

1269
01:06:26,480 --> 01:06:29,520
Speaker 1: back to say Saint Louis from far of the far

1270
01:06:29,640 --> 01:06:32,560
Speaker 1: reaches of the West. I mean, we're not talking about,

1271
01:06:32,800 --> 01:06:35,440
Speaker 1: you know, railroad here, We're talking about at best horseback

1272
01:06:35,560 --> 01:06:38,120
Speaker 1: or mule. So how is it even possible to make

1273
01:06:38,240 --> 01:06:41,600
Speaker 1: money in any given trade that would require you being

1274
01:06:41,680 --> 01:06:44,080
Speaker 1: so far away from shall we say civilization?

1275
01:06:45,160 --> 01:06:48,120
Speaker 12: Well there was an old mountain man saying I'd rather

1276
01:06:48,200 --> 01:06:51,840
Speaker 12: float my goods than carry them, So you're right. Pack trains,

1277
01:06:51,960 --> 01:06:54,720
Speaker 12: mule trains sometimes did it. But for the most part

1278
01:06:54,800 --> 01:06:57,760
Speaker 12: these guys stuck to the rivers up the Missouri and

1279
01:06:57,880 --> 01:07:02,760
Speaker 12: then down it's many tributaries, the Tongue, the Muscleshell, the Judith,

1280
01:07:03,320 --> 01:07:07,400
Speaker 12: and they would carve out their own parogies and flatboats.

1281
01:07:07,480 --> 01:07:11,640
Speaker 12: Flatboats would be pulled or pulled up to Missouri. They

1282
01:07:11,720 --> 01:07:13,640
Speaker 12: were all equipped with the sail, but as you know,

1283
01:07:13,760 --> 01:07:16,880
Speaker 12: the Missouri is such a winding river, sails on a

1284
01:07:16,920 --> 01:07:20,200
Speaker 12: boat basically did nothing for you. Yeah, and these giant

1285
01:07:20,280 --> 01:07:24,520
Speaker 12: flatboats would just be lugged thousands of miles up into

1286
01:07:24,560 --> 01:07:28,200
Speaker 12: the mountains and parked, and then they carve their perogies.

1287
01:07:28,560 --> 01:07:31,480
Speaker 12: They'd go up and down. Luckily, beaver is an aquatic animal,

1288
01:07:31,520 --> 01:07:33,080
Speaker 12: so they didn't have to go too far from the

1289
01:07:33,160 --> 01:07:37,760
Speaker 12: water to trap these beaver and up and down until

1290
01:07:38,320 --> 01:07:41,520
Speaker 12: until now, Tom and I were loath you mentioned it before.

1291
01:07:41,560 --> 01:07:44,800
Speaker 12: We're loath to use the word discover in our books.

1292
01:07:45,800 --> 01:07:49,960
Speaker 12: Daniel Boone no more discovered the Cumberland Gap than Jed

1293
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Speaker 12: Smith discovered South Past and Southeast Wyoming. But he was

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Speaker 12: the first American to kind of stumble through south past

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Speaker 12: this chink in the Rocky Mountain. It's about eighteen miles wide,

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Speaker 12: and although it's at elevation, it's at eight or nine

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Speaker 12: thousand feet. It's rather gentle. And that was the beginning

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Speaker 12: of the Oregon Trail. You could get wagons through South Pass.

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Speaker 12: You no longer had to take a pack train, as

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Speaker 12: Lewis and Clark did through one of these snowbound thin

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Speaker 12: had a chink. Now you've got Now you've got wide

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Speaker 12: open mountains. So they basically went from flatboats and canoes

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Speaker 12: to wagons.

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Speaker 1: And this was all pre PATAGONI yeah, right, I just

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Speaker 1: cannot imagine having to deal with the elements, let alone

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Speaker 1: and before we part company. And this is an absolutely

1307
01:08:38,240 --> 01:08:40,000
Speaker 1: fascinating books. I know my listener are going to want

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Speaker 1: to get a copy of Thrown a Gray, So you

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01:08:41,160 --> 01:08:43,559
Speaker 1: can did that at fifty five care Sea dot com, Bob,

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Speaker 1: So it made it real easy for him to get

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Speaker 1: a copy. The idea again going back to the Native

1312
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Speaker 1: American population, had we'd gotten out in the west, to

1313
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Speaker 1: the native tribes in the West, that these new settlers,

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Speaker 1: these explorers, these folks that were you know, the sphere

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Speaker 1: of manifest destiny as you write, represented some sort of

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Speaker 1: existential threat to them? Were they a threat to guys

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Speaker 1: like Jedediah Smith?

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Speaker 12: Oh, of course, of course, the Harry white men. Who

1319
01:09:09,439 --> 01:09:13,280
Speaker 12: are these harry white men invading our territory? I mean,

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Speaker 12: as we both know, long before any Europeans set foot

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Speaker 12: on North America's fatal shores, these tribes had kind of

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Speaker 12: staked out their own territories. And whether it was the

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Speaker 12: Sioux and the Arikara along Missouri corridor, or the Cheyenne

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Speaker 12: or Rapaho on the plains, or the Crow in the mountains,

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Speaker 12: the black Feet in the mountains. And at first when

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Speaker 12: Lewis and Clark was a perfect example, they were treated

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Speaker 12: well by the Indians. Now the Indians robbed from them,

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Speaker 12: but that's what Indians did in those days. The Crow

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Speaker 12: used to brag, we don't kill the white men because

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Speaker 12: we'll steal your horses, and if we kill you all,

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Speaker 12: you won't come back with more horses for us. But

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Speaker 12: the other tribes were not so accommodating. In fact, the

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Speaker 12: very first Indian war was the Mississippi that involved the

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Speaker 12: United States soldiers took place on the Missouri with the

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Speaker 12: Eric Carrott tribe and Smith once again Zelig like he

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Speaker 12: and his trapping crew happened to be there. They're the

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Speaker 12: ones who's fired.

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Speaker 6: The first shots.

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Speaker 1: The book is just going to be fabulous. Readthrown of

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Speaker 1: Grace Mountain Man Epic Adventure in the Bloody Conquest of

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Speaker 1: the American West by my guests today, Bob Drury along

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01:10:23,439 --> 01:10:25,720
Speaker 1: with Tom Clave and Canniber Look Tom's complished or a

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Speaker 1: contribute contribution to the book. Fascinating discussion. I really appreciate

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Speaker 1: you joining the Morning show, Bob. I know my listener

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Speaker 1: is going to want to get a copy of this

1346
01:10:32,439 --> 01:10:34,720
Speaker 1: and read up on it and appreciate the fact that

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Speaker 1: we had men like this who are willing to put

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Speaker 1: some sacrifice out in the name of just checking it

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Speaker 1: out and being the first to do it. Lord knows

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Speaker 1: we can't. We could use more people like Jedediah Smith

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01:10:43,600 --> 01:10:46,559
Speaker 1: on the world. And thank you parenthetically but very importantly

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01:10:46,600 --> 01:10:48,760
Speaker 1: for your service to our country. I truly appreciate that

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Speaker 1: as well. Hi, Henry Armstrong, this is Brian Thomas from

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01:10:51,640 --> 01:10:53,240
Speaker 1: the fifty five Casey Morning Show. I just want to

1355
01:10:53,320 --> 01:10:55,000
Speaker 1: let you know what a distinct pleasure it is to

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01:10:55,080 --> 01:10:59,080
Speaker 1: have you on my program to talk about Well, let

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01:10:59,160 --> 01:11:02,360
Speaker 1: me start by sincerely on behalf of my listening audience,

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01:11:02,439 --> 01:11:05,040
Speaker 1: myself and my producer and everyone here at fifty five ksee.

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01:11:05,160 --> 01:11:08,320
Speaker 1: Thank you for your service to our country ninety nine

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Speaker 1: years young you are, and you were there. You saw

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Speaker 1: it as we come, I asked, approached the eightieth anniversary

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Speaker 1: of the D Day invasion of France. You were part

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01:11:17,080 --> 01:11:19,400
Speaker 1: of that invasion, sir, and that in and of itself

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Speaker 1: is in an extraordinariyly accomplishment. And I'm thankful that you're

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Speaker 1: on the program to talk to my listeners all about that.

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Speaker 1: And I understand you're going to be going to Normandy

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Speaker 1: to attend the eightieth anniversary. I don't know if I

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Speaker 1: want to call it celebration, but at least commemoration ceremony.

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Speaker 4: I know what you mean.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, yeah, no, I'm leaving. I'm leaving next week.

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Speaker 1: Oh that's fantastic. I wish you the safest of travels.

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Speaker 1: It's going to be a real But have you been

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01:11:44,479 --> 01:11:47,840
Speaker 1: back since you landed on I guess it was D

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Speaker 1: Day number two? You landed on the beaches on the

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Speaker 1: eighth correct, Omaha, yeah, omaha beach now key, have you

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Speaker 1: been back since?

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Speaker 5: No?

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Speaker 13: I haven't. I have sat on a side of a

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Speaker 13: hill up at Lake Erie here a few years back,

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Speaker 13: and there was a young lady sitting next to me,

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Speaker 13: and we got acquainted. Her name is Marie, and I

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01:12:09,560 --> 01:12:11,960
Speaker 13: found out she is a French official. I don't know

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01:12:12,080 --> 01:12:14,760
Speaker 13: what her job is for the French government, but she

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01:12:14,880 --> 01:12:16,760
Speaker 13: got to talking to me and she asked me if

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Speaker 13: i'd ever been back over there, and I said no,

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Speaker 13: but I would.

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Speaker 6: Like to go.

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01:12:20,680 --> 01:12:23,360
Speaker 13: She says, well, you're going, and she's sory she put it.

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01:12:23,880 --> 01:12:26,639
Speaker 13: She says, you're going. And I started to feel she's

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01:12:26,720 --> 01:12:30,160
Speaker 13: a little bit instrumental in with me going over next week.

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Speaker 13: And her name is Marie. What her last name isn't

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Speaker 13: I don't know. And I call her Frenchie. That's great,

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01:12:41,000 --> 01:12:43,120
Speaker 13: and she says, well, Henry, you're the only one I'm

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Speaker 13: going to let call me frenchie.

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Speaker 1: Oh, that's wonderful. Well, Henry, you know, it's just so

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Speaker 1: neat to have the opportunity to speak with you. You're

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Speaker 1: flying there with seventy World War two veterans from around

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Speaker 1: the country.

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Speaker 13: Is that well, now, that's the first time I heard

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Speaker 13: that many.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I got some notes here and that's what it says.

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Speaker 1: That's going to be. It's gonna be really while to

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01:13:00,439 --> 01:13:03,160
Speaker 1: be able to talk to those fellow veterans and share

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01:13:03,200 --> 01:13:04,479
Speaker 1: your experience I'm hoping.

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Speaker 13: I'm hoping that some of them are some that I

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01:13:07,240 --> 01:13:10,040
Speaker 13: served with the night that I know. I have no idea,

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Speaker 13: but I'm hoping, well, can I.

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Speaker 1: Okay, you mentioned the beach because that was one of

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Speaker 1: the questions I wanted to ask you. Had you thaught Omaha, Juno, Gold,

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Speaker 1: and I believe Sword were the multiple beaches least the

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Speaker 1: code names for them. Omaha was mine, Omaha was yours,

1412
01:13:24,320 --> 01:13:26,240
Speaker 1: and that was one of the bloodier conflicts, if I

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01:13:26,320 --> 01:13:28,920
Speaker 1: recall correctly my World War II history? What was it

1414
01:13:29,080 --> 01:13:30,599
Speaker 1: like on day two when you landed.

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Speaker 13: I had my first kill there?

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01:13:34,720 --> 01:13:36,599
Speaker 1: Oh my yeah.

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01:13:37,280 --> 01:13:39,920
Speaker 13: I was part of the seven man team and we

1418
01:13:40,000 --> 01:13:43,479
Speaker 13: were sleeping on the beach that night under a tree,

1419
01:13:44,120 --> 01:13:47,080
Speaker 13: trying to get some sleep, and Michelle went all over

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01:13:47,280 --> 01:13:50,600
Speaker 13: our head and it lit it up like daylight, and

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01:13:50,920 --> 01:13:54,320
Speaker 13: we woke up and stand there looking at us. We

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01:13:54,479 --> 01:13:57,640
Speaker 13: thought was a German soldier with his rifle pointed right

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01:13:57,760 --> 01:14:01,439
Speaker 13: at us, and one of a shot and killed that

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01:14:01,560 --> 01:14:07,760
Speaker 13: tree that night. It was a tree branch. But being

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Speaker 13: scared to death, kids, our imagination went wild.

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01:14:11,320 --> 01:14:14,280
Speaker 1: Well it's kids, yeah, but any human being in that

1427
01:14:14,400 --> 01:14:16,400
Speaker 1: position would have had the life scared out of them.

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01:14:16,479 --> 01:14:20,000
Speaker 1: This is what we call badassory, Henry Armstrong. But yeah,

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01:14:20,040 --> 01:14:22,120
Speaker 1: i'd shoot a tree. I'd probably shoot it a shadow.

1430
01:14:22,240 --> 01:14:25,680
Speaker 1: And how could anyone get any sleep under those circumstances?

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01:14:26,000 --> 01:14:26,960
Speaker 1: How do you accomplish it?

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01:14:26,960 --> 01:14:30,600
Speaker 13: You try, You just try, and you don't get what

1433
01:14:30,760 --> 01:14:34,400
Speaker 13: you would call normal sleep. It's dozing sleep. I think

1434
01:14:34,479 --> 01:14:37,960
Speaker 13: you you doze off and the least little sound will

1435
01:14:38,000 --> 01:14:39,719
Speaker 13: wake you up, and then you go back to sleep

1436
01:14:39,760 --> 01:14:43,000
Speaker 13: and the sound will wake you up again. So I

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01:14:43,120 --> 01:14:47,720
Speaker 13: don't know that anytime over there that I would be

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01:14:47,880 --> 01:14:50,479
Speaker 13: able to say that I went to bed at night

1439
01:14:50,600 --> 01:14:51,720
Speaker 13: and slept a full night.

1440
01:14:52,040 --> 01:14:54,640
Speaker 1: Oh so how long did it take you to make

1441
01:14:54,680 --> 01:14:57,280
Speaker 1: it off the beach and move? I guess it's south

1442
01:14:57,439 --> 01:14:58,360
Speaker 1: is the direction of head?

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01:14:58,840 --> 01:15:02,120
Speaker 13: Well, we moved really the next day, because you weren't

1444
01:15:02,160 --> 01:15:06,160
Speaker 13: on the beach very long. And we moved the next

1445
01:15:06,280 --> 01:15:09,640
Speaker 13: day and start moving out of there. I have a

1446
01:15:10,160 --> 01:15:13,000
Speaker 13: young fellow at church, and he got me a picture

1447
01:15:13,040 --> 01:15:16,080
Speaker 13: of the beach, and the beach is exactly what it says,

1448
01:15:16,200 --> 01:15:20,280
Speaker 13: it's a beach. There's nothing there but earth the beach.

1449
01:15:21,280 --> 01:15:23,200
Speaker 13: And then he got me a picture of the same

1450
01:15:23,320 --> 01:15:27,800
Speaker 13: area today and there's one hundred somewhat homes that have

1451
01:15:27,880 --> 01:15:31,640
Speaker 13: been constructed on that area. On that beach area, there

1452
01:15:31,720 --> 01:15:39,240
Speaker 13: is now a military cemetery, there's a military memorial, and

1453
01:15:40,840 --> 01:15:43,320
Speaker 13: it's really bit up. It's an attractive area right now.

1454
01:15:43,439 --> 01:15:45,040
Speaker 13: And I've got pictures of both.

1455
01:15:45,360 --> 01:15:46,160
Speaker 9: Then and now.

1456
01:15:47,120 --> 01:15:49,880
Speaker 1: Oh wow, that's got to be a little bit heartbreaking

1457
01:15:49,960 --> 01:15:53,400
Speaker 1: to see how much development has shown up since those days.

1458
01:15:53,479 --> 01:15:56,120
Speaker 1: But that's what they call progress in many circles.

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01:15:56,200 --> 01:15:58,200
Speaker 13: Yeah, I guess you're you're absolutely right.

1460
01:15:58,360 --> 01:16:01,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, so you you get off the beach rather quickly.

1461
01:16:01,640 --> 01:16:04,560
Speaker 1: How bad and intense was the fighting as you proceeded

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01:16:04,640 --> 01:16:07,640
Speaker 1: south over the next course of days, weeks, months, I

1463
01:16:07,680 --> 01:16:08,880
Speaker 1: guess I need to know that as well.

1464
01:16:09,960 --> 01:16:10,160
Speaker 7: Well.

1465
01:16:10,400 --> 01:16:14,639
Speaker 13: It varied, Let's say, let's put it that way.

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01:16:14,680 --> 01:16:15,080
Speaker 7: It varied.

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01:16:15,080 --> 01:16:17,800
Speaker 13: It all depends on what you came across. If you

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01:16:17,920 --> 01:16:21,759
Speaker 13: came across a German division, then fighting was pretty furious.

1469
01:16:22,240 --> 01:16:26,880
Speaker 13: But if you came across just a small we're trying

1470
01:16:26,880 --> 01:16:31,040
Speaker 13: to say, a group of Germans patrol, it wasn't bad. Yeah,

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01:16:31,040 --> 01:16:33,840
Speaker 13: I could patrol or something like that. It wasn't that bad, really,

1472
01:16:35,600 --> 01:16:39,800
Speaker 13: But it all depended on what you were finding along

1473
01:16:39,840 --> 01:16:43,519
Speaker 13: the way, And it was surprising the number of things

1474
01:16:43,600 --> 01:16:46,879
Speaker 13: that we found along the way that we didn't particularly

1475
01:16:46,960 --> 01:16:50,840
Speaker 13: care about it, and one of those was after we

1476
01:16:50,960 --> 01:16:54,960
Speaker 13: left France, we went on over to Paris and we

1477
01:16:55,040 --> 01:16:59,920
Speaker 13: were supposed to take Paris my division, and we were

1478
01:17:00,080 --> 01:17:02,080
Speaker 13: on the outskirts about ready to do it because the

1479
01:17:02,160 --> 01:17:05,479
Speaker 13: Germans still occupied Paris at that time, and then we

1480
01:17:05,600 --> 01:17:08,960
Speaker 13: were told to stop that they wanted General de Gaulle

1481
01:17:09,120 --> 01:17:09,800
Speaker 13: to take Paris.

1482
01:17:09,920 --> 01:17:10,000
Speaker 4: Well.

1483
01:17:10,080 --> 01:17:13,040
Speaker 13: General de Gaulle being the French general, it's logical that

1484
01:17:13,160 --> 01:17:16,280
Speaker 13: he take his own country, you know. So we moved

1485
01:17:16,600 --> 01:17:20,280
Speaker 13: and we let General degaul do it. We moved north

1486
01:17:20,360 --> 01:17:24,280
Speaker 13: of Paris to a town called Bichet, and it was

1487
01:17:24,360 --> 01:17:28,200
Speaker 13: occupied no where was the American division and was fighting

1488
01:17:28,280 --> 01:17:31,519
Speaker 13: at the battle for a while. But anyway, we relieved

1489
01:17:31,560 --> 01:17:34,240
Speaker 13: them and took the town of Bichet the next day,

1490
01:17:34,280 --> 01:17:37,800
Speaker 13: and we changed the name. The name of the town

1491
01:17:38,000 --> 01:17:40,880
Speaker 13: was called in French Bichet, and it is spelled b

1492
01:17:41,160 --> 01:17:43,360
Speaker 13: I T C h E.

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01:17:45,479 --> 01:17:50,679
Speaker 1: I can understand why, yes, I do, And that provides

1494
01:17:50,720 --> 01:17:52,720
Speaker 1: a perfect springboard for a question I wanted to ask you,

1495
01:17:52,800 --> 01:17:54,760
Speaker 1: because you know, I've seen a lot of you know,

1496
01:17:54,880 --> 01:17:57,559
Speaker 1: Hollywood movies on World War Two, the D Day Invasion,

1497
01:17:57,600 --> 01:18:01,280
Speaker 1: of the like and other various conflicts within the war.

1498
01:18:01,360 --> 01:18:04,680
Speaker 1: Because obviously raged on for years. What was the reception

1499
01:18:05,400 --> 01:18:08,120
Speaker 1: by the locals when let's say you entered Bochet and

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01:18:08,200 --> 01:18:09,080
Speaker 1: liberated the town.

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01:18:10,439 --> 01:18:14,280
Speaker 13: Well, the French, the reception was always great. It was

1502
01:18:14,400 --> 01:18:17,840
Speaker 13: just fantastic. And in Germany it was a lot different.

1503
01:18:18,640 --> 01:18:22,040
Speaker 13: But in France, as we would progress where we were going,

1504
01:18:22,680 --> 01:18:25,920
Speaker 13: uh into these French countries or French towns, let's say,

1505
01:18:26,520 --> 01:18:30,800
Speaker 13: and uh and get rid of the Germans there, the

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Speaker 13: French were just I can't say, just how polite and

1507
01:18:36,280 --> 01:18:39,280
Speaker 13: how nice they were, because they were eager to see

1508
01:18:39,320 --> 01:18:41,800
Speaker 13: you and eager, you know, to be relieved of that

1509
01:18:41,920 --> 01:18:46,599
Speaker 13: German thing. Because Germans I just had the hardest problem

1510
01:18:46,680 --> 01:18:49,960
Speaker 13: in the world with why an adult person, I don't

1511
01:18:50,000 --> 01:18:53,960
Speaker 13: care uniform or not, would treat other humans the way

1512
01:18:54,000 --> 01:18:57,160
Speaker 13: they did, like the concentration camps for instance.

1513
01:18:57,280 --> 01:18:57,439
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1514
01:18:58,640 --> 01:19:01,879
Speaker 13: The one story that really irritated me more than anything

1515
01:19:01,960 --> 01:19:04,840
Speaker 13: else over there was when we went through a small

1516
01:19:06,200 --> 01:19:09,600
Speaker 13: a small village and in the village we found a

1517
01:19:10,439 --> 01:19:14,000
Speaker 13: box car on the railhead, and outside the box car

1518
01:19:14,160 --> 01:19:17,840
Speaker 13: were just huge piles of rags and we couldn't figure

1519
01:19:17,880 --> 01:19:21,160
Speaker 13: out why so many rags until we got there and

1520
01:19:21,320 --> 01:19:24,599
Speaker 13: we found that the rags contained the bodies of women

1521
01:19:25,280 --> 01:19:29,960
Speaker 13: and children and little babies, and they had all been executed.

1522
01:19:30,040 --> 01:19:32,760
Speaker 13: They were all shot. And we found out later on

1523
01:19:32,920 --> 01:19:37,320
Speaker 13: that they were Jewish, of course, but you figure, you know,

1524
01:19:38,000 --> 01:19:40,439
Speaker 13: I love children, I have a lot of my own.

1525
01:19:41,439 --> 01:19:45,880
Speaker 13: But to realize that a grown person would have the

1526
01:19:46,960 --> 01:19:51,160
Speaker 13: nerve to shoot a baby in arms, Why what is

1527
01:19:51,200 --> 01:19:54,240
Speaker 13: that baby done to this world? Nothing, It's still a baby.

1528
01:19:55,000 --> 01:19:57,360
Speaker 13: But they did, and there were several babies that had

1529
01:19:57,400 --> 01:20:02,400
Speaker 13: bullet holes in them. And we there because and we

1530
01:20:02,520 --> 01:20:06,000
Speaker 13: were really irritated then. But we went on down the

1531
01:20:06,080 --> 01:20:09,120
Speaker 13: road and we came across a concentration camp called Gunskirk

1532
01:20:09,200 --> 01:20:15,519
Speaker 13: and Lager and the Germans were still occupying that camp,

1533
01:20:16,640 --> 01:20:20,240
Speaker 13: and we, I guess got rid of about twenty five

1534
01:20:20,360 --> 01:20:22,800
Speaker 13: or thirty SS troopers in that camp because of what

1535
01:20:22,920 --> 01:20:26,280
Speaker 13: we had seen down the road. And when I say

1536
01:20:26,360 --> 01:20:29,680
Speaker 13: got rid of, I mean we got rid of. And

1537
01:20:29,800 --> 01:20:31,800
Speaker 13: we opened up the camp to one hundred and some

1538
01:20:31,920 --> 01:20:35,680
Speaker 13: odd inmates, and a lot of the inmates there were

1539
01:20:35,920 --> 01:20:38,519
Speaker 13: families of the ones we'd found on the road. Oh my,

1540
01:20:38,880 --> 01:20:43,639
Speaker 13: and the way they treated them. They gave them one

1541
01:20:43,800 --> 01:20:46,360
Speaker 13: cup of beef broth a day. That's the only food

1542
01:20:46,400 --> 01:20:52,280
Speaker 13: they got. And then if any of them died, and

1543
01:20:52,320 --> 01:20:53,840
Speaker 13: a lot of them did, because they were all skin

1544
01:20:53,920 --> 01:20:58,639
Speaker 13: and bones, if any of them died, instead of taking

1545
01:20:58,680 --> 01:21:00,960
Speaker 13: them out and putting them in a bear ground somewhere,

1546
01:21:01,360 --> 01:21:02,800
Speaker 13: they just take them out in the woods and put

1547
01:21:02,840 --> 01:21:04,880
Speaker 13: them on the ground even later. And that's the way

1548
01:21:04,960 --> 01:21:06,840
Speaker 13: they treat them. And I said, that's the reason I

1549
01:21:06,920 --> 01:21:09,519
Speaker 13: got so irritated more than anything else, is the way

1550
01:21:09,600 --> 01:21:11,360
Speaker 13: they treated another human being.

1551
01:21:11,960 --> 01:21:13,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, you'd think that we'd have learned

1552
01:21:14,000 --> 01:21:16,479
Speaker 1: something by then, but then you know, October seventh of

1553
01:21:16,640 --> 01:21:18,559
Speaker 1: last year occurs, and it seems to me the same

1554
01:21:18,640 --> 01:21:19,880
Speaker 1: type of thing goes on and.

1555
01:21:20,400 --> 01:21:22,360
Speaker 13: Human it goes on and on and on.

1556
01:21:22,640 --> 01:21:27,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, it really is truly a shame, uh Now, in

1557
01:21:28,000 --> 01:21:33,800
Speaker 1: terms of your recollections of the war. And I had

1558
01:21:33,800 --> 01:21:35,639
Speaker 1: the pleasure to talk with another World War Two veteran

1559
01:21:35,640 --> 01:21:38,320
Speaker 1: who actually was a prisoner of war in Stalog Low three,

1560
01:21:38,360 --> 01:21:40,559
Speaker 1: which is the subject matter of The Great Escape, which

1561
01:21:40,600 --> 01:21:42,600
Speaker 1: is a movie we all understand and know about, and

1562
01:21:42,720 --> 01:21:44,640
Speaker 1: he had he commented on that. He said, well, with

1563
01:21:44,720 --> 01:21:47,360
Speaker 1: the exception of Steve McQueen and his motorcycle antics. That

1564
01:21:47,479 --> 01:21:50,800
Speaker 1: movie pretty much was dead on accurate about you know,

1565
01:21:50,920 --> 01:21:53,360
Speaker 1: what they did and how they escape. Is there any

1566
01:21:53,520 --> 01:21:57,240
Speaker 1: particular movie that you could say, Yeah, this pretty much

1567
01:21:57,280 --> 01:21:59,920
Speaker 1: sums up the Invasion of Normandy. It's kind of act

1568
01:22:00,080 --> 01:22:01,760
Speaker 1: curate that we could look at and kind of get

1569
01:22:01,800 --> 01:22:03,559
Speaker 1: a feel for what it was truly like. Or has

1570
01:22:03,600 --> 01:22:06,840
Speaker 1: anybody done that yet to meet your level of expectations

1571
01:22:06,920 --> 01:22:07,679
Speaker 1: having been there.

1572
01:22:09,040 --> 01:22:11,479
Speaker 13: I'll put it this way. I've seen probably most of

1573
01:22:11,560 --> 01:22:17,280
Speaker 13: those movies, and I look at it this way. For

1574
01:22:17,439 --> 01:22:19,760
Speaker 13: them to make a movie the way they did, they

1575
01:22:19,920 --> 01:22:23,000
Speaker 13: had to have a lot of facts about it. And

1576
01:22:23,320 --> 01:22:25,080
Speaker 13: I'm going to say that most of the movies that

1577
01:22:25,200 --> 01:22:27,040
Speaker 13: I saw were pretty realistic.

1578
01:22:29,080 --> 01:22:29,760
Speaker 12: But I.

1579
01:22:32,760 --> 01:22:38,240
Speaker 13: Am not going to put it I wasn't involved in

1580
01:22:38,320 --> 01:22:40,639
Speaker 13: a lot of that stuff that they showed. They wanted

1581
01:22:40,680 --> 01:22:45,600
Speaker 13: to show all the extreme things. I think, yeah, and

1582
01:22:45,840 --> 01:22:47,920
Speaker 13: I wasn't involved in.

1583
01:22:48,320 --> 01:22:48,519
Speaker 5: Well.

1584
01:22:48,560 --> 01:22:51,360
Speaker 13: I had a few extreme things, but nothing that I

1585
01:22:51,400 --> 01:22:53,080
Speaker 13: would say would make a movie.

1586
01:22:54,680 --> 01:22:57,439
Speaker 1: Fair enough well to thank god you're still here to

1587
01:22:57,479 --> 01:23:00,160
Speaker 1: talk about it. I understand you had an encounter at

1588
01:23:00,200 --> 01:23:03,040
Speaker 1: some point with a General Patten at the Rhyane River.

1589
01:23:05,479 --> 01:23:11,000
Speaker 13: You heard that I met General Patten as far as

1590
01:23:11,080 --> 01:23:13,519
Speaker 13: I'm concerned, as far as far as most of the

1591
01:23:14,520 --> 01:23:18,439
Speaker 13: gis over there are concerned about him. Was the best

1592
01:23:19,000 --> 01:23:22,400
Speaker 13: general we had during World War Two. And the reason

1593
01:23:22,439 --> 01:23:25,479
Speaker 13: I say that is General Patten was what we called

1594
01:23:25,640 --> 01:23:28,599
Speaker 13: a general. He was a leader of troops.

1595
01:23:29,560 --> 01:23:30,120
Speaker 6: And he was.

1596
01:23:31,680 --> 01:23:36,320
Speaker 13: Not only a leader, he respected the troops. You had

1597
01:23:36,360 --> 01:23:38,960
Speaker 13: a lot of generals that really didn't respect the people

1598
01:23:39,000 --> 01:23:41,519
Speaker 13: that served Dunham. But you had a lot of generals

1599
01:23:41,560 --> 01:23:45,280
Speaker 13: that went instead of being up with their troops, they

1600
01:23:45,320 --> 01:23:49,000
Speaker 13: were back behind a desk, directing everything over a telephone

1601
01:23:49,120 --> 01:23:53,240
Speaker 13: or over a radio, where Patten didn't do Thatten he

1602
01:23:53,439 --> 01:23:55,840
Speaker 13: was a leader. And I met him at the Battle

1603
01:23:55,840 --> 01:23:58,599
Speaker 13: of the Ryan River. And when the battle was over,

1604
01:23:59,280 --> 01:24:01,519
Speaker 13: he came down to the river, sit out on the

1605
01:24:01,600 --> 01:24:04,120
Speaker 13: barge and gave a little speech of how proud he

1606
01:24:04,240 --> 01:24:07,760
Speaker 13: was of the man that served under him. And no

1607
01:24:07,920 --> 01:24:10,280
Speaker 13: other general ever did that that I know of, anyway.

1608
01:24:11,040 --> 01:24:12,840
Speaker 13: And when he got through, he says, I got to

1609
01:24:12,880 --> 01:24:14,880
Speaker 13: leave my mark in the river, and he did.

1610
01:24:15,760 --> 01:24:16,360
Speaker 7: How about that?

1611
01:24:17,200 --> 01:24:20,840
Speaker 13: And he went out on the barge and zip his

1612
01:24:20,960 --> 01:24:27,840
Speaker 13: pants and he put in the river. And I've got

1613
01:24:27,920 --> 01:24:28,479
Speaker 13: that picture.

1614
01:24:29,400 --> 01:24:32,280
Speaker 1: Oh no, we should have that out. I'm sorry that

1615
01:24:32,360 --> 01:24:34,639
Speaker 1: that should have been on the cover of Time magazine. Henry.

1616
01:24:35,160 --> 01:24:37,640
Speaker 13: It probably was, because that's been noted in a lot

1617
01:24:37,680 --> 01:24:41,120
Speaker 13: of history things. It's a popular thing. I didn't take

1618
01:24:41,160 --> 01:24:42,880
Speaker 13: the picture. Somebody else took the picture.

1619
01:24:43,800 --> 01:24:44,040
Speaker 10: Wow.

1620
01:24:44,600 --> 01:24:47,240
Speaker 1: Well, after serving the Army forty one years, reached the

1621
01:24:47,360 --> 01:24:50,360
Speaker 1: rank of what commands sergeant major. Have I got that

1622
01:24:50,560 --> 01:24:51,000
Speaker 1: part right?

1623
01:24:51,400 --> 01:24:51,599
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1624
01:24:51,840 --> 01:24:56,160
Speaker 13: That's there's only one rank in the Army enlisted rank

1625
01:24:56,520 --> 01:24:59,519
Speaker 13: that's higher than that, and he's a sergeant major of

1626
01:24:59,560 --> 01:25:03,320
Speaker 13: the Army. But I was when they came out with

1627
01:25:03,520 --> 01:25:07,400
Speaker 13: a sergeant major rank, which was after the war. Really,

1628
01:25:08,400 --> 01:25:10,240
Speaker 13: I was on the first order to get it. And

1629
01:25:10,400 --> 01:25:15,280
Speaker 13: then they progress from sergeant major to command sergeant major

1630
01:25:15,439 --> 01:25:18,240
Speaker 13: and sergeant major of the Army. That's the way they went.

1631
01:25:18,600 --> 01:25:22,360
Speaker 13: They're all equal ranks, but there's only one that outranks me,

1632
01:25:22,720 --> 01:25:24,280
Speaker 13: and that's a sergeant major of the Army.

1633
01:25:25,000 --> 01:25:27,760
Speaker 1: Well, you rank really high in the hearts and minds

1634
01:25:27,800 --> 01:25:31,080
Speaker 1: of my listeners. This conversation has been absolutely fantastic. Henry

1635
01:25:31,160 --> 01:25:34,519
Speaker 1: Armstrong ninety nine years on his way to attend the

1636
01:25:34,600 --> 01:25:38,080
Speaker 1: eightieth D Day Anniversary ceremony at Normandy leaven next week.

1637
01:25:38,120 --> 01:25:41,559
Speaker 1: We wish you the best of safe travels. I hope

1638
01:25:41,600 --> 01:25:44,200
Speaker 1: you have an opportunity to enjoy yourself. I'm sure it's

1639
01:25:44,200 --> 01:25:46,439
Speaker 1: going to be a sort of a melancholy moment reflecting

1640
01:25:46,479 --> 01:25:48,080
Speaker 1: on what you'd experienced when you were there.

1641
01:25:48,280 --> 01:25:49,760
Speaker 14: Oh, oh, it will be.

1642
01:25:50,400 --> 01:25:52,760
Speaker 13: If I may, I want to share a story I'm

1643
01:25:52,840 --> 01:25:53,400
Speaker 13: very fond of.

1644
01:25:53,680 --> 01:25:54,200
Speaker 1: Please do.

1645
01:25:56,640 --> 01:26:00,519
Speaker 13: When I was wounded. I had a little bullet my wrist.

1646
01:26:00,600 --> 01:26:03,360
Speaker 13: But I was in the hospital for two weeks and

1647
01:26:03,600 --> 01:26:08,559
Speaker 13: my nurse that came in took care of me. American nurses,

1648
01:26:08,920 --> 01:26:12,880
Speaker 13: you can't beat them, They're fantastic. He came in one

1649
01:26:12,960 --> 01:26:15,360
Speaker 13: day and she's got this little boy with her. He's

1650
01:26:15,439 --> 01:26:19,599
Speaker 13: about seven eight years old, and she says, I want

1651
01:26:19,640 --> 01:26:23,720
Speaker 13: you to meet my rose boy. And she pulled his

1652
01:26:23,880 --> 01:26:27,200
Speaker 13: jacket up and on his chest and his stomach in

1653
01:26:27,360 --> 01:26:32,200
Speaker 13: the pink scar tissue is a full bloom rose. And

1654
01:26:32,360 --> 01:26:34,719
Speaker 13: she said him and his buddies had found an American

1655
01:26:34,840 --> 01:26:37,759
Speaker 13: hand grenade and they were throwing it back and forth

1656
01:26:37,880 --> 01:26:39,720
Speaker 13: like a ball. They had no idea what it was,

1657
01:26:40,560 --> 01:26:43,080
Speaker 13: and it went off and most of his buddies were killed,

1658
01:26:43,640 --> 01:26:46,679
Speaker 13: and he caught a lot of shrapnel in his stomach

1659
01:26:46,760 --> 01:26:49,760
Speaker 13: and chest. And an American doctor got a hold of

1660
01:26:49,840 --> 01:26:52,439
Speaker 13: him and was able to save his life and fix

1661
01:26:52,560 --> 01:26:56,000
Speaker 13: him up. And she was in the process she found

1662
01:26:56,040 --> 01:26:59,479
Speaker 13: out that he was an orphan boy. And this American

1663
01:26:59,600 --> 01:27:04,240
Speaker 13: nurse now was in the process of adopting this little boy,

1664
01:27:04,439 --> 01:27:07,160
Speaker 13: and she's taken him home with her. Oh, and I said,

1665
01:27:07,240 --> 01:27:11,000
Speaker 13: that was such a fantastic story. I can't I never

1666
01:27:11,080 --> 01:27:12,080
Speaker 13: forget telling about it.

1667
01:27:12,560 --> 01:27:14,920
Speaker 1: Well, I'm glad you do, because it's little stories like

1668
01:27:15,000 --> 01:27:17,600
Speaker 1: that that illustrate you know this, there were heroes and

1669
01:27:17,720 --> 01:27:20,479
Speaker 1: and and you know, fighters like you, people who did

1670
01:27:20,520 --> 01:27:24,679
Speaker 1: the did the heavy work and fought bullets and dodged death.

1671
01:27:25,280 --> 01:27:27,720
Speaker 1: And then there's the behind the scenes stories like that

1672
01:27:27,920 --> 01:27:30,200
Speaker 1: that no one ever hears about, but just illustrate that,

1673
01:27:30,240 --> 01:27:34,440
Speaker 1: you know, just sort of the highlights of again humanity contrasting,

1674
01:27:34,640 --> 01:27:36,920
Speaker 1: you know, the way we are and how we act

1675
01:27:37,000 --> 01:27:39,320
Speaker 1: and how we treat people versus how the Germans treated

1676
01:27:39,360 --> 01:27:40,439
Speaker 1: those poor Jewish folks.

1677
01:27:41,360 --> 01:27:45,599
Speaker 13: Oh gosh, you just don't understand how an adult person

1678
01:27:46,320 --> 01:27:46,600
Speaker 13: can be.

1679
01:27:46,760 --> 01:27:50,919
Speaker 1: That mean, no, you don't, Henry Armstrong.

1680
01:27:52,040 --> 01:27:55,000
Speaker 13: I have a lady here at the home that she

1681
01:27:55,360 --> 01:27:57,240
Speaker 13: first time I saw her. She's a little lady in

1682
01:27:57,240 --> 01:27:58,920
Speaker 13: a wheelchair, and she come up to me and she

1683
01:27:59,040 --> 01:28:01,719
Speaker 13: had to give me a big good everything. You saved

1684
01:28:01,760 --> 01:28:06,200
Speaker 13: my life, I did. And I found out that she's Jewish,

1685
01:28:07,280 --> 01:28:11,880
Speaker 13: and she is. She's American born and lives here at

1686
01:28:12,160 --> 01:28:15,479
Speaker 13: the Center with me now. But she because she's Jewish,

1687
01:28:15,640 --> 01:28:19,800
Speaker 13: she says, I saved her life. So and I can't

1688
01:28:19,840 --> 01:28:21,400
Speaker 13: see her when I get in a hug from her.

1689
01:28:21,760 --> 01:28:24,719
Speaker 1: Oh that's great. I keep saying it all the time. Obviously,

1690
01:28:24,760 --> 01:28:27,320
Speaker 1: you quite the ladies, man, Henry Armstrong. I love here

1691
01:28:27,360 --> 01:28:32,720
Speaker 1: all now. Well, you know, and it's real quick here

1692
01:28:32,840 --> 01:28:36,479
Speaker 1: since you literally were involved in liberating one of the

1693
01:28:36,600 --> 01:28:38,880
Speaker 1: concentration camps. I mean, you have a few words for

1694
01:28:39,000 --> 01:28:41,240
Speaker 1: people out there in the world who deny that that

1695
01:28:41,439 --> 01:28:44,680
Speaker 1: actually happened, that the Holocaust did not happen. I mean

1696
01:28:44,720 --> 01:28:46,800
Speaker 1: I hear those words from people and I just I

1697
01:28:46,800 --> 01:28:48,960
Speaker 1: am just appalled at their ignorance.

1698
01:28:49,760 --> 01:28:52,360
Speaker 13: Well, I look at it this way that what you

1699
01:28:52,439 --> 01:28:56,479
Speaker 13: had the word right there, ignorance is it's probably not

1700
01:28:57,200 --> 01:28:59,280
Speaker 13: ignorance as much as it is. I don't want to

1701
01:28:59,280 --> 01:29:01,880
Speaker 13: hear something like that, no, they didn't do it, because

1702
01:29:02,000 --> 01:29:04,360
Speaker 13: I said they didn't do it. And that's what's going

1703
01:29:04,439 --> 01:29:08,479
Speaker 13: on really is people are so ashamed of what their

1704
01:29:08,840 --> 01:29:13,080
Speaker 13: ancestries did that. They don't want to admit that they

1705
01:29:13,200 --> 01:29:15,679
Speaker 13: did it, And I said, you have to be there

1706
01:29:15,840 --> 01:29:18,599
Speaker 13: and go through it to realize that what they're saying

1707
01:29:18,760 --> 01:29:21,920
Speaker 13: is the truth. And if you stop and realize, today

1708
01:29:22,439 --> 01:29:23,200
Speaker 13: is still going on.

1709
01:29:24,439 --> 01:29:27,599
Speaker 1: Literally still going on even as we speak, Henry Armstrong,

1710
01:29:27,680 --> 01:29:29,560
Speaker 1: And it has been a distinct pleasure having on the

1711
01:29:29,600 --> 01:29:32,559
Speaker 1: fifty five Case Morning Show. I wish you's safest travels.

1712
01:29:32,560 --> 01:29:34,840
Speaker 1: As I mentioned, as you attend the eightieth d Day anniversary,

1713
01:29:34,920 --> 01:29:36,720
Speaker 1: and you know what, you have a welcome spot here

1714
01:29:36,760 --> 01:29:38,439
Speaker 1: on the fifty five Carssy Morning Show to give us

1715
01:29:38,439 --> 01:29:40,559
Speaker 1: an account of your experience there when you come back.

1716
01:29:41,360 --> 01:29:44,800
Speaker 13: All right, I appreciate that well, I hope thank you

1717
01:29:44,880 --> 01:29:45,120
Speaker 13: for the.

1718
01:29:45,160 --> 01:29:58,560
Speaker 1: Interview bringing back hometown hero Bob Dolan, who is celebrating

1719
01:29:58,680 --> 01:30:01,760
Speaker 1: his one hundred and four birthday this coming weekend March

1720
01:30:01,840 --> 01:30:05,080
Speaker 1: twenty first, and who proudly served his country in World

1721
01:30:05,160 --> 01:30:08,200
Speaker 1: War Two and also knows everything that went on at

1722
01:30:08,280 --> 01:30:12,120
Speaker 1: stalog Loft three, which is that movie Steve McQueen was

1723
01:30:12,200 --> 01:30:15,599
Speaker 1: in Great Escape and I had the pleasure of meeting

1724
01:30:15,720 --> 01:30:19,080
Speaker 1: and having lunch with Bob Doolan a year or two

1725
01:30:19,120 --> 01:30:22,400
Speaker 1: ago thanks to Steve Murray, who also is a veteran.

1726
01:30:22,800 --> 01:30:28,040
Speaker 1: Steve entered America's military because of Bob Doolan. Bob Doolan, welcome.

1727
01:30:28,160 --> 01:30:30,040
Speaker 1: It's a great pleasure to have you on the fifty

1728
01:30:30,080 --> 01:30:31,280
Speaker 1: five KRC Morning Show.

1729
01:30:31,360 --> 01:30:33,320
Speaker 9: Sir, good morning, Thank you.

1730
01:30:33,880 --> 01:30:36,439
Speaker 1: And I know Steve Murray, you influenced that man's life

1731
01:30:36,520 --> 01:30:40,479
Speaker 1: tremendously because of you. He joined America's military and he

1732
01:30:40,600 --> 01:30:43,960
Speaker 1: proudly served until retirement, so he was career military and

1733
01:30:44,000 --> 01:30:46,640
Speaker 1: he always gave you credit for influencing him in a

1734
01:30:46,720 --> 01:30:49,360
Speaker 1: positive way. Bob, And I know you influenced a lot

1735
01:30:49,400 --> 01:30:51,640
Speaker 1: of young men. You were a scout master back in

1736
01:30:51,680 --> 01:30:55,439
Speaker 1: the day, right, yes, And that's after you, that's all.

1737
01:30:55,680 --> 01:30:58,240
Speaker 1: That's after you served your country, of course, in World

1738
01:30:58,280 --> 01:30:59,960
Speaker 1: War two. So let us thank you for your service

1739
01:31:00,080 --> 01:31:02,600
Speaker 1: to our country. And let's find out what year did

1740
01:31:02,680 --> 01:31:06,120
Speaker 1: you enlist in the military, Bob.

1741
01:31:07,280 --> 01:31:09,000
Speaker 9: August nineteen forty.

1742
01:31:08,760 --> 01:31:13,280
Speaker 1: One, So you heated the call? Is that the World

1743
01:31:13,320 --> 01:31:18,479
Speaker 1: War two? Or that was before fly you wanted to fly?

1744
01:31:18,720 --> 01:31:21,280
Speaker 1: Was before? That was before the bombing of Pearl Harbor,

1745
01:31:21,400 --> 01:31:21,680
Speaker 1: wasn't it?

1746
01:31:22,160 --> 01:31:22,759
Speaker 14: It was before?

1747
01:31:23,280 --> 01:31:25,639
Speaker 1: How about that? That's right? Because that was December seventh,

1748
01:31:25,720 --> 01:31:30,080
Speaker 1: nineteen forty one. Yeah, yeah, you were already in that bet.

1749
01:31:30,120 --> 01:31:32,040
Speaker 1: That came as a shock to you, Bob.

1750
01:31:34,200 --> 01:31:38,799
Speaker 9: Yes, it was editor. I was home on that weekend.

1751
01:31:39,520 --> 01:31:40,840
Speaker 1: Oh you're on leave.

1752
01:31:42,720 --> 01:31:46,840
Speaker 9: Well, I had gone to pilot school and I wasn't

1753
01:31:46,920 --> 01:31:50,760
Speaker 9: good enough to go beyond shingle engine, so they shent

1754
01:31:50,840 --> 01:31:53,280
Speaker 9: me home until I was going to go back to

1755
01:31:53,439 --> 01:31:56,040
Speaker 9: navigation school and.

1756
01:31:56,120 --> 01:31:58,280
Speaker 1: You ended up. You ended up as a navigator on

1757
01:31:58,360 --> 01:32:02,880
Speaker 1: a B seventeen. Right now, how many missions did you

1758
01:32:03,000 --> 01:32:06,200
Speaker 1: go on until Well, sadly you were shot down because

1759
01:32:06,200 --> 01:32:08,920
Speaker 1: you ended up in Staloch three. We all know that.

1760
01:32:09,000 --> 01:32:11,559
Speaker 9: Because it's thirteen missions.

1761
01:32:12,160 --> 01:32:14,320
Speaker 1: So you're telling me the lucky number thirteen is the

1762
01:32:14,400 --> 01:32:16,040
Speaker 1: mission you were on when you got shot down.

1763
01:32:16,880 --> 01:32:19,680
Speaker 9: At that time, we had to do twenty five and

1764
01:32:19,880 --> 01:32:22,640
Speaker 9: we could go home, and you're ready for the Pacific.

1765
01:32:23,600 --> 01:32:26,759
Speaker 1: Wow? Where were you flying over when you were shot.

1766
01:32:26,600 --> 01:32:32,320
Speaker 9: Down, sir cousin Kirktain in the ruh Rallies northeast of

1767
01:32:32,439 --> 01:32:32,920
Speaker 9: the Rhine?

1768
01:32:33,520 --> 01:32:36,679
Speaker 1: Okay? And were you immediately captured when you're plane landed

1769
01:32:36,760 --> 01:32:38,439
Speaker 1: or crashed or what happened?

1770
01:32:38,760 --> 01:32:44,160
Speaker 9: I told the other manner with me, shout is that

1771
01:32:44,320 --> 01:32:46,840
Speaker 9: way get out of here? The Germans will be hearing

1772
01:32:47,040 --> 01:32:52,440
Speaker 9: five minutes and I did mid contact with the resistance

1773
01:32:52,560 --> 01:32:54,440
Speaker 9: and I was loosed for three weeks.

1774
01:32:57,280 --> 01:32:59,960
Speaker 1: Louis, but ultimately got caught by the Gestape.

1775
01:33:00,240 --> 01:33:05,240
Speaker 9: I guess, yes, yeah, we would walk, if we were walking,

1776
01:33:05,360 --> 01:33:09,240
Speaker 9: we would walk separated by one hundred feet. So the

1777
01:33:09,320 --> 01:33:15,040
Speaker 9: first man was captured, and I was going into what

1778
01:33:15,240 --> 01:33:20,080
Speaker 9: was supposed to be a shafe house up near the Hague,

1779
01:33:20,720 --> 01:33:29,000
Speaker 9: and I just touched the doorknob and instantaneously the doorknob

1780
01:33:29,200 --> 01:33:32,320
Speaker 9: was open, and I have that sixth man all over me.

1781
01:33:33,280 --> 01:33:38,160
Speaker 9: There were three gets stoppo and three SS troops and

1782
01:33:38,600 --> 01:33:40,400
Speaker 9: they hit me over the head and the other ones

1783
01:33:40,439 --> 01:33:43,519
Speaker 9: got a handcuffs army. The othern's got a gag in

1784
01:33:43,640 --> 01:33:46,880
Speaker 9: my mouth, and their fourth one pushed me down to

1785
01:33:47,000 --> 01:33:47,400
Speaker 9: the floor.

1786
01:33:49,200 --> 01:33:53,160
Speaker 1: Wow, well, did they take you directly to stalog lose three?

1787
01:33:53,760 --> 01:33:56,240
Speaker 9: Oh no, I was a prisoner of the Gestapo for

1788
01:33:56,439 --> 01:33:59,800
Speaker 9: three weeks. Oh no, it was after any you know.

1789
01:33:59,840 --> 01:34:02,880
Speaker 9: They they want to know who helped me. And I

1790
01:34:03,040 --> 01:34:06,000
Speaker 9: had been in two or three houses in that time.

1791
01:34:06,880 --> 01:34:09,479
Speaker 9: They had traveled from one end to Holland to the

1792
01:34:09,600 --> 01:34:14,400
Speaker 9: other on the train. But hey, hey, I was the

1793
01:34:14,479 --> 01:34:18,439
Speaker 9: first man in and then they just leave me that

1794
01:34:18,920 --> 01:34:22,360
Speaker 9: he had hurt me. They just hit me and pushed

1795
01:34:22,400 --> 01:34:23,760
Speaker 9: me down, put the cups on me.

1796
01:34:24,479 --> 01:34:26,320
Speaker 1: But they hit you. I would say that problem, that

1797
01:34:26,320 --> 01:34:28,920
Speaker 1: would hurt, that would hurt. I'm certain of that gestoppo treatment.

1798
01:34:28,960 --> 01:34:32,160
Speaker 1: I can't imagine being pleasant at all. So after they're

1799
01:34:32,200 --> 01:34:34,760
Speaker 1: done with you for three weeks, is that when they

1800
01:34:34,800 --> 01:34:36,679
Speaker 1: shifted you over to the pow camp.

1801
01:34:37,680 --> 01:34:40,120
Speaker 9: They turned me over to the look bloffer. Yeah, and

1802
01:34:40,360 --> 01:34:50,240
Speaker 9: the louchtloffer came. I was entered into the what they

1803
01:34:50,320 --> 01:34:55,679
Speaker 9: call an interrogation camp do lag look boklog Dordlogger, which

1804
01:34:55,720 --> 01:34:59,640
Speaker 9: you through the Air Force was interviewing prisoners should have.

1805
01:35:00,720 --> 01:35:03,320
Speaker 9: They wanted to get any information we could get at

1806
01:35:03,760 --> 01:35:12,000
Speaker 9: the Germans and the Allied Air forces. And I left

1807
01:35:12,040 --> 01:35:18,040
Speaker 9: there and was shent on a train to Stalog Love three,

1808
01:35:18,120 --> 01:35:21,720
Speaker 9: which was in the actually in Germany right at the

1809
01:35:21,800 --> 01:35:26,160
Speaker 9: Polish border. I was prisoner number two thousand and five

1810
01:35:26,320 --> 01:35:31,760
Speaker 9: hundred and fifty five. There. The camp was as an

1811
01:35:31,800 --> 01:35:35,040
Speaker 9: old camp, but they didn't have prisoners until just recently.

1812
01:35:36,200 --> 01:35:39,880
Speaker 1: So how are the conditions? And I know most of

1813
01:35:39,920 --> 01:35:42,479
Speaker 1: my listening audience has seen The Great Escape, the movie

1814
01:35:42,640 --> 01:35:45,680
Speaker 1: about stalog Luft three, and these and the tunnels that

1815
01:35:45,720 --> 01:35:49,439
Speaker 1: were dug, well, go ahead.

1816
01:35:49,439 --> 01:35:55,000
Speaker 9: Germans really kept the camp and us in good ship.

1817
01:35:55,800 --> 01:35:59,920
Speaker 9: There was no personal animosity between us and our guard.

1818
01:36:00,840 --> 01:36:03,559
Speaker 9: In fact, some of them had been fires in World

1819
01:36:03,640 --> 01:36:07,679
Speaker 9: War One. The camp when I got there, the camp

1820
01:36:07,800 --> 01:36:12,479
Speaker 9: had twenty twenty five hundred prisoners. It kept. Now we're

1821
01:36:12,560 --> 01:36:15,960
Speaker 9: getting more bob groups from English, from the United States,

1822
01:36:16,520 --> 01:36:18,280
Speaker 9: so every week we get new men.

1823
01:36:21,120 --> 01:36:24,320
Speaker 1: Were we divided by nationality? Because the Great Escape movie

1824
01:36:24,360 --> 01:36:26,320
Speaker 1: seemed to think that this showed that the British were

1825
01:36:26,360 --> 01:36:28,680
Speaker 1: on one side and the Americans were on another. Is

1826
01:36:28,720 --> 01:36:29,280
Speaker 1: that accurate?

1827
01:36:30,000 --> 01:36:32,640
Speaker 9: When I got there, the Americans and the British were

1828
01:36:32,680 --> 01:36:37,920
Speaker 9: together together who they opened a new camp and they

1829
01:36:38,040 --> 01:36:39,920
Speaker 9: moved all the Britains out of there.

1830
01:36:40,760 --> 01:36:45,160
Speaker 1: Okay, Now, whose idea was the tunneling project? When was that?

1831
01:36:45,520 --> 01:36:47,360
Speaker 1: How long were you there when that was hatched? And

1832
01:36:47,479 --> 01:36:50,360
Speaker 1: did you did you participate or know that that was

1833
01:36:50,439 --> 01:36:50,800
Speaker 1: going on?

1834
01:36:51,800 --> 01:36:57,440
Speaker 9: Actually at Stylet Gluke three, eventually there were five different enclosures,

1835
01:36:57,520 --> 01:37:01,000
Speaker 9: you know, because you can't even govern us man easier

1836
01:37:01,080 --> 01:37:05,080
Speaker 9: than five thousands. Uh So I was not in the

1837
01:37:05,240 --> 01:37:09,400
Speaker 9: camp where that tunnel was a crook. Okay, the tunnel

1838
01:37:09,560 --> 01:37:12,000
Speaker 9: was in the north camp and I was in center camp.

1839
01:37:12,400 --> 01:37:15,120
Speaker 1: Did you get word about the tunnels being dug when

1840
01:37:15,160 --> 01:37:16,840
Speaker 1: you were at the south the other camp, or did

1841
01:37:16,880 --> 01:37:19,240
Speaker 1: they find out about that? Find out about that later, Bob,

1842
01:37:19,920 --> 01:37:20,519
Speaker 1: not much.

1843
01:37:20,960 --> 01:37:23,400
Speaker 9: We didn't get much information because you don't want to

1844
01:37:23,920 --> 01:37:29,320
Speaker 9: put that information on I knew the the engineer for

1845
01:37:29,439 --> 01:37:34,360
Speaker 9: the tunnel was a Canadian. It was uh challenge. I

1846
01:37:34,560 --> 01:37:38,680
Speaker 9: can't think of his name right now. Uh, but uh,

1847
01:37:38,960 --> 01:37:41,439
Speaker 9: there was no there was no tunneling from the center

1848
01:37:41,560 --> 01:37:48,360
Speaker 9: camp where I was. There were some sheeps sneaking out

1849
01:37:48,439 --> 01:37:51,680
Speaker 9: over at the fence at night, but that was a

1850
01:37:51,800 --> 01:37:54,680
Speaker 9: total limit. So we did We knew that there was

1851
01:37:54,760 --> 01:37:57,000
Speaker 9: a tunnel going on about not much else.

1852
01:37:57,640 --> 01:37:57,760
Speaker 7: Now.

1853
01:37:58,720 --> 01:38:01,320
Speaker 1: When the tunnels were discovered, I imagine there had to

1854
01:38:01,320 --> 01:38:04,000
Speaker 1: have been rather an uproar at the camp. What was

1855
01:38:04,040 --> 01:38:07,160
Speaker 1: the response from the Germans after the tunnels were discovered,

1856
01:38:07,200 --> 01:38:08,800
Speaker 1: at least in so far as you and the rest

1857
01:38:08,840 --> 01:38:10,000
Speaker 1: of the prisoners are concerned.

1858
01:38:11,080 --> 01:38:14,240
Speaker 9: Well, they may have been a little more strict, but

1859
01:38:15,160 --> 01:38:17,559
Speaker 9: there wasn't much. I say, we were in a different

1860
01:38:17,640 --> 01:38:21,280
Speaker 9: section of the camp, and of course it was hard

1861
01:38:21,320 --> 01:38:24,840
Speaker 9: on var Men buying her the German colonel he was

1862
01:38:24,960 --> 01:38:29,840
Speaker 9: court martialed immediately, and he was an old Air Force

1863
01:38:29,960 --> 01:38:34,920
Speaker 9: man and by and large he treated us.

1864
01:38:36,880 --> 01:38:37,080
Speaker 14: Well.

1865
01:38:37,360 --> 01:38:39,120
Speaker 9: He ignored us most of the time.

1866
01:38:40,280 --> 01:38:44,400
Speaker 1: Well, when you're dealing with the Germans the Nazis in

1867
01:38:44,439 --> 01:38:46,479
Speaker 1: that situation, Bob, I would think that's a good thing,

1868
01:38:46,560 --> 01:38:49,240
Speaker 1: you get ignored. It sounded to me like not as

1869
01:38:49,320 --> 01:38:51,720
Speaker 1: bad as many prison camps could have been. No one

1870
01:38:51,760 --> 01:38:54,200
Speaker 1: wants to be in a prison camp. But we did

1871
01:38:54,280 --> 01:38:58,240
Speaker 1: this relationship with the guards and the men there. Did

1872
01:38:58,280 --> 01:39:02,280
Speaker 1: that help facilitate getting these tunnels done? Because when I've

1873
01:39:02,280 --> 01:39:04,240
Speaker 1: seen the Great Escape, I always wonder how in the

1874
01:39:04,320 --> 01:39:06,840
Speaker 1: heck did they get cameras to take pictures? Where did

1875
01:39:06,840 --> 01:39:10,479
Speaker 1: all this equipment come from? In clothing items and all

1876
01:39:10,560 --> 01:39:12,599
Speaker 1: the stuff that they needed to fake their way out.

1877
01:39:13,600 --> 01:39:17,719
Speaker 9: The clothing was furnished by the Red Cross. They didn't

1878
01:39:17,760 --> 01:39:19,800
Speaker 9: pay for it, but they the only one that could

1879
01:39:19,880 --> 01:39:26,240
Speaker 9: deliver it. We had the red parcel weighed seven pounds.

1880
01:39:26,520 --> 01:39:29,680
Speaker 9: The food parcel it was intended to keep one man

1881
01:39:29,760 --> 01:39:33,320
Speaker 9: alive for a week, but they had twelve ounces of spam,

1882
01:39:33,479 --> 01:39:37,160
Speaker 9: twelve ounces of corn, pound of margarine. We didn't try

1883
01:39:38,960 --> 01:39:43,800
Speaker 9: for some chalk with some cheese, and five packages of

1884
01:39:43,960 --> 01:39:50,840
Speaker 9: cigarette which were currency and still currency in Europe when

1885
01:39:51,000 --> 01:39:55,599
Speaker 9: trains could move and ships weren't being so we were

1886
01:39:55,720 --> 01:40:00,280
Speaker 9: supposed to get a Red Cross parcel every week. They

1887
01:40:00,400 --> 01:40:05,400
Speaker 9: never happened. The two Cincinnati companies helped us a lot.

1888
01:40:05,960 --> 01:40:09,439
Speaker 9: The United States Floting Card Company was in Norwood. We

1889
01:40:09,640 --> 01:40:15,040
Speaker 9: wanted maps, escape maps. So there are fifty two cards

1890
01:40:15,120 --> 01:40:19,320
Speaker 9: in the deck, forty cards, two jokers and two uh

1891
01:40:19,880 --> 01:40:26,400
Speaker 9: faced eagle or bicycle advertising. And they would print a

1892
01:40:26,560 --> 01:40:29,600
Speaker 9: map on their showing the best routes of escape and

1893
01:40:29,680 --> 01:40:32,320
Speaker 9: where they were Germans. And then they would cut him

1894
01:40:32,439 --> 01:40:34,880
Speaker 9: up into I mean they would cover it up with

1895
01:40:35,040 --> 01:40:39,439
Speaker 9: it and then cut him up into cards. And if

1896
01:40:39,479 --> 01:40:42,640
Speaker 9: there was a map in a deck of cards, the

1897
01:40:43,120 --> 01:40:46,200
Speaker 9: coasted the attacked stamp on the front of the bat

1898
01:40:46,280 --> 01:40:50,519
Speaker 9: us put slanting so that we didn't want to play

1899
01:40:50,560 --> 01:40:53,120
Speaker 9: with those cards. When they got to the camp, we

1900
01:40:53,200 --> 01:40:58,479
Speaker 9: could choak them in water and that face card and

1901
01:40:58,640 --> 01:41:01,760
Speaker 9: numbers came off. Then we just set up a map

1902
01:41:01,920 --> 01:41:02,559
Speaker 9: for escape.

1903
01:41:03,120 --> 01:41:04,160
Speaker 1: That is amazing.

1904
01:41:06,040 --> 01:41:08,479
Speaker 9: There was a baseball coming in. I mean maybe you

1905
01:41:08,560 --> 01:41:12,439
Speaker 9: come in Pete Goldslift Sons. They made base They made

1906
01:41:13,040 --> 01:41:16,439
Speaker 9: all kinds of sporting goods, but they made baseballs and

1907
01:41:17,280 --> 01:41:19,800
Speaker 9: Washington came down and said, we once you is that

1908
01:41:19,920 --> 01:41:23,519
Speaker 9: little capsule in the middle of a baseball once you

1909
01:41:24,320 --> 01:41:29,680
Speaker 9: put a map in there. I'm sorry, But now for

1910
01:41:29,920 --> 01:41:31,920
Speaker 9: radio park, so we could build a radio.

1911
01:41:32,560 --> 01:41:35,080
Speaker 1: So little by little you accumulate this stuff and you

1912
01:41:35,160 --> 01:41:37,360
Speaker 1: had everything you needed once you dug out and got

1913
01:41:37,400 --> 01:41:41,360
Speaker 1: outside the wall, which, of course before we part company.

1914
01:41:41,439 --> 01:41:45,680
Speaker 1: Bob and I really enjoyed our time talking again today. Uh,

1915
01:41:47,360 --> 01:41:50,080
Speaker 1: in terms of accuracy of the movie The Greatest Scape,

1916
01:41:50,120 --> 01:41:53,439
Speaker 1: what would you say, is it accurate? Is it half accurate,

1917
01:41:53,600 --> 01:41:55,320
Speaker 1: or is it completely Rather.

1918
01:41:55,280 --> 01:41:58,599
Speaker 9: Than the motorcycle ride, it was very accurate.

1919
01:41:58,760 --> 01:42:01,640
Speaker 1: Okay, So Steve McQueen riding a motorcycle and jumping of

1920
01:42:01,720 --> 01:42:05,120
Speaker 1: fence was done for Hollywood purposes only not shocking.

1921
01:42:05,400 --> 01:42:07,719
Speaker 9: That's right. He wouldn't do the movie if he didn't

1922
01:42:07,760 --> 01:42:08,320
Speaker 9: let him mind.

1923
01:42:09,680 --> 01:42:14,200
Speaker 1: Bob from my listeners to you, God, bless you, sir.

1924
01:42:14,360 --> 01:42:16,280
Speaker 1: Thank you for your service to our country. Thanks for

1925
01:42:16,360 --> 01:42:19,160
Speaker 1: spending time with us today, and a very happy birthday

1926
01:42:19,240 --> 01:42:21,920
Speaker 1: coming up March twenty first. I have a feeling it's

1927
01:42:21,920 --> 01:42:23,439
Speaker 1: going to be a birthday to remember, sir.

1928
01:42:24,040 --> 01:42:24,320
Speaker 9: Thank you.

1929
01:42:35,240 --> 01:42:40,000
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1930
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1931
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Speaker 1: is passionate about what she does. She gives speeches and

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Speaker 1: seminars exposing the threats to liberty and democracy, gives her

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Speaker 1: audience the tools to fight back against powerful institutional forces.

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Speaker 1: And she is the author of eight best selling works

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Speaker 1: and nonfiction, including Something We Might Touch Upon Today, her

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Speaker 1: book War Room, Daily Cloud, Peiser documents, analysis volunteers reports

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Speaker 1: find out what Peiser FDA tried to conceal like their

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Speaker 1: efficacy results. To doctor wolf it's a pleasure to have

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Speaker 1: you back on the fifty five Case Morning Show.

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Speaker 15: Thanks so much for having me back on again.

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Speaker 1: And I appreciate your deep dive into these Pfiser documents,

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Speaker 1: which but for a court order, we might not even have.

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Speaker 1: But you did a look into the efficacy the vaccine's

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Speaker 1: efficacy and apparently Pfiser had the results of these studies

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Speaker 1: before the November of twenty twenty election, what impact, Why

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Speaker 1: did they sit on it, and what impact do you

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Speaker 1: think they had given what you know about the efficacy

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Speaker 1: standards that you uncovered.

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Speaker 15: So it's just a note, it's not my own work.

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Speaker 15: It's thirty five hundred doctors and scientists who have come

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Speaker 15: forward to read through the Pfiser documents, as you mentioned,

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Speaker 15: release center court order and write reports that anyone can

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Speaker 15: understand explaining what's in the documents and what they did

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Speaker 15: find in the documents is a really shocking assault against humanity,

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Speaker 15: to say the least, with a special focus on destroying

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Speaker 15: human reproduction. So what you just mentioned is that Pfeiser

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Speaker 15: had enough data according to its own contract for what

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Speaker 15: is enough data to declare to conclude that the vaccines

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Speaker 15: were safe and effective, even though they were using kind

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Speaker 15: of false metrics to reach that conclusion. But they had

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Speaker 15: enough data to make that announcement, and their contract.

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Speaker 5: Stipulated that they had.

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Speaker 15: To make it before November first of twenty twenty. And

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Speaker 15: yet and their contract was with the Department of Defense,

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Speaker 15: and yet they sat on that announcement, violating their contract

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Speaker 15: until November ninth, twenty twenty, after the election, And basically

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Speaker 15: what they were doing was, and I you know, I

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Speaker 15: am not partisan, I voted for Biden, I'm sorry to say.

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Speaker 15: But what they essentially did was they withheld a victory

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Speaker 15: from President Trump, who was being as sales on the

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Speaker 15: campaign trail for not doing enough to get a vaccine out,

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Speaker 15: not doing enough to stop COVID, and they gave a

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Speaker 15: gift to the newly elected President Biden, well, a.

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Speaker 1: Gift that actually didn't turn out to be a vaccine

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Speaker 1: in the sense it didn't stop you from contracting COVID

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Speaker 1: or allowing you to spread it. But that's a different story.

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Speaker 1: What this contract. You know, when I'm being a lawyer,

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Speaker 1: I'm thinking, Okay, a contract usually involves one or or

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Speaker 1: two or more parties the other part of the contract.

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Speaker 1: US government. Weren't they the ones that should have enforced

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Speaker 1: the release of these these documents? Were they in on

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Speaker 1: the sitting on these reports?

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Speaker 15: Well, exactly, of course, there is someone or you know,

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Speaker 15: any number of people whose job is to make sure

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Speaker 15: that this contract was properly observed and enforced. And so yes,

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Speaker 15: that those people in the US government who would be

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Speaker 15: pretty Senior made the decision to let that happen or

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Speaker 15: colludeed in that decision because they would have known that.

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Speaker 15: You know, the end of October was when the contract

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Speaker 15: said pleaser had to make the announcement, make the update

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Speaker 15: of whether it's vaccine safety aspected.

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Speaker 1: There are standards for studies of medicine. We know that

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Speaker 1: it's very difficult. Wrote to Hoo to try to get

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Speaker 1: FDA approval. You have to go through multiple clinical trials,

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Speaker 1: et cetera. It's it appears to me, and this is

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Speaker 1: I'm looking for either correct me if I'm wrong, or

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Speaker 1: confirm that I'm right. This contract identified the number of

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Speaker 1: patients that needed to be looked at in terms of

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Speaker 1: evaluating the efficacy of this and it was a very

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Speaker 1: low number. One hundred and seventy. Have I read that right?

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Speaker 15: Yes, in order to declare the vaccine safe and effective.

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Speaker 15: That's how many people the contract stipulated they needed. Actually

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Speaker 15: only sixty two at the end of October, and ultimately

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Speaker 15: one hundred and seventy. But there's so many things wrong

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Speaker 15: with the contract. I mean, I should just say the

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Speaker 15: vaccine didn't have to go through the usual FDA trials

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Speaker 15: because it was delivered via an emergency use authorization. Right,

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Speaker 15: But so yeah, even so, you know, what these volunteers

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Speaker 15: have found is that you know, funny mass all the

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Speaker 15: way through in order to be able to claim efficacy.

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Speaker 15: For instance, two hundred vaccinated people got COVID and one

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Speaker 15: hundred and well a little less than two hundred and

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Speaker 15: should say unvaccinated people got COVID, and so there would

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Speaker 15: be negative efficacy if they kept the actual numbers. And

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Speaker 15: so what Fizer did was they just dropped the two

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Speaker 15: hundred vaccinated people with COVID from their calculation so that

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Speaker 15: they could claim that the vaccine was ninety five percent

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Speaker 15: safe and effective.

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Speaker 1: So what they sat on was erroneous information, and then

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Speaker 1: they released erroneous information to benefit Biden. But ultimately it

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Speaker 1: benefited Biden only in so far as that we the

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Speaker 1: American people who were being told we needed a vaccine,

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Speaker 1: didn't realize at the time that it wasn't going to

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Speaker 1: help us, and in some cases maybe hurt us.

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Speaker 15: Well in many cases, I mean, that's the tragic thing.

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Speaker 15: In a month after rollout in November twenty twenty, TiSER

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Speaker 15: concluded that the vaccines failed. They concluded in their own

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Speaker 15: words that there was quote vaccine failure and failure of efficacy,

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Speaker 15: and in the Pleisure documents, the third most common side

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Speaker 15: effect of getting the vaccine is COVID, So it doesn't

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Speaker 15: stop you from getting COVID and it doesn't stop you

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Speaker 15: from transmitting it. And they knew that from the very start,

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Speaker 15: but they didn't tell the American people. And unfortunately it's

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Speaker 15: not just in some cases there are side effects. What

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Speaker 15: the volunteers have found is tens of thousands of very

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Speaker 15: serious side effects, industrial level neurological events, strokes, blood problems,

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Speaker 15: blood clots, lung clots, leg clots, hemorrhages, hard damage and

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Speaker 15: brain damage, kidney damage, liver damage, and twelve hundred and

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Speaker 15: twenty five deaths in just three months. In a number

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Speaker 15: of the reports the volunteers made, half of the ever's

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Speaker 15: events were within forty eight hours of receiving injection. And yeah,

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Speaker 15: and you know they knew, for instance, by May of

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Speaker 15: twenty twenty one that miners sustained heart damage thirty five

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Speaker 15: miners and the one studies sustained heart damage within a

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Speaker 15: week after receiving me A Murni injection. But they didn't

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Speaker 15: tell the American people and the FDA didn't tell the

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Speaker 15: American people till four months later, August of twenty twenty one.

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Speaker 15: And you know, I could go on and on about

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Speaker 15: the serious side effects and mortality, but the centerpiece of

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Speaker 15: the Peiser documents is an attack on especially women's ability

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Speaker 15: to get pregnant, to carry a baby, the term, to

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Speaker 15: deliver healthy baby. And Peiser knew that the vaccine was

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Speaker 15: causing catastrophic menstrual damage to women. They have charts showing

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Speaker 15: tens of thousands of women in each category of menstrual damage.

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Speaker 15: I totally calmly noted. And they knew that the the

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Speaker 15: banoparticles accumulating the ovaries damage the placenta. They knew that

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Speaker 15: babies were dying in utero due to their moms getting vaccinated.

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Speaker 15: They describe to babies as dying due to transpercental exposure

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Speaker 15: in the room. They knew that the lipidan particles made

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Speaker 15: childbirth more dangerous. Maternal deaths are up forty percent because

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Speaker 15: of compromised percentas. They knew that they were damaging creating

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Speaker 15: a situation which babies couldn't breathe because there's an air

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Speaker 15: pocket between their lungs and their chest walls. And this

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Speaker 15: is what we're seeing, and there's a thirteen to twenty

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Speaker 15: percent dropping live births two years after the confection rules out.

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Speaker 1: And you know, just observe as we have to part

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Speaker 1: company and I would talk to you for hours via

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Speaker 1: the time, doctor Naomi wolf all the while our government

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Speaker 1: is working with social media to prevent people from even

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Speaker 1: having a discussion about these realities. Oh my word, this

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Speaker 1: has got massive legs. I cannot thank you for the

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Speaker 1: research that you and the rest of the folks who

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Speaker 1: worked on war Room Daily Cloud Pfizer Documents. Will put

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Speaker 1: a link to this so my listeners can get the

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Speaker 1: studies in that book. Go to fifty five KRC dot

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Speaker 1: com and read what is in there. It sounds absolutely shocking,

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Speaker 1: Doctor Wolfe. I look forward to the time when you

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Speaker 1: and I get to talk again. It has been a

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Speaker 1: real pleasure having you on the program today.

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Speaker 15: Thank you so much for having me on.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate it, my pleasure. Eight forty fifty five carsit

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Speaker 1: Detalk Station. My at least former cancer doctor doctor David Waterhouse,

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Speaker 1: oh internationally recognize scientists. Given his background in vaccinations, of

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Speaker 1: virology and the like. Doctor Malone is a real pleasure

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Speaker 1: to have you on the fifty five cars morning to

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Speaker 1: talk about your book and some of the revelations we've

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Speaker 1: learned about the vaccine that was supposed to cure or

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Speaker 1: prevent us from getting COVID and doesn't do that, nor

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Speaker 1: does it prevent the spread. It's a good heavy on

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Speaker 1: the fifty five krs Morning show. Sir, good morning.

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Speaker 8: Well thanks a lot for that introduction. I agree with

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Speaker 8: your statement at these products do not prevent infection, replication

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Speaker 8: or spread at the virus. That's clear, all.

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Speaker 1: Right, and that alone negates all of this. Do it

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Speaker 1: for the rest of humanity? Argument that we were fed

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Speaker 1: for a long time. You've got to get the vaccine.

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Speaker 1: You got to get the vaccine. It's not for you,

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Speaker 1: it's for everybody else, although it will reduce the severity

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Speaker 1: of your COVID infection. Now, I had a very very

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Speaker 1: bad COVID infection. I was out for about a month.

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Speaker 1: This was before the vaccine was even available. But at

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Speaker 1: my personal immunity levels, I had my tea to sell

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Speaker 1: or my t tests done and I think an excess

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Speaker 1: of fifty provided you with some immunity. Mine was at

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Speaker 1: fourteen thousand, more than a year after I had COVID,

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Speaker 1: so I felt like I had pretty darn good protection.

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Speaker 1: But no, no, no, they're out there telling you the

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Speaker 1: natural immunity is not as good as the vaccine. But

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Speaker 1: then again, now they're telling us it is. This is

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Speaker 1: why we question our government officials from time to time. Also,

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Speaker 1: and more important, more importantly, sir, the risks associated with

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Speaker 1: the vaccine emergency use authorization. As an attorney, you know,

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Speaker 1: i'd like to know, thank you very much, what the

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Speaker 1: risks are with the vaccine. We didn't get the list

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Speaker 1: of instructions and the attendant risk because they didn't know.

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Speaker 1: Now we're all big, one big guinea pig factory out

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Speaker 1: here finding out that, yeah, there are risks associated with it.

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Speaker 1: Did you know about these potential risk having invented this technology, doctor.

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Speaker 6: No, there was.

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Speaker 8: Remember I did my work back in nineteen eighty eight

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Speaker 8: to nineteen ninety one, was the main body of work

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Speaker 8: that the nine patents were issued from, and then I

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Speaker 8: continued working on it through the nineteen nineties with different

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Speaker 8: formulations in various academic positions. I could never overcome the inflammation,

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Speaker 8: which is the reason why I dropped the technology. In

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Speaker 8: addition to the fact that I was owned by Merk

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Speaker 8: and they were very aggressive in ensuring that no one

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Speaker 8: developed the technology, including myself. But there was no way

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Speaker 8: to know that this was going to be used in

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Speaker 8: this way and that the government was going to bypass

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Speaker 8: all norms of clinical research, safety testing, pre clinical testing,

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Speaker 8: and regulatory UH norms in terms of ensuring safety and effectiveness.

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Speaker 8: There's no way to know that a lot of the

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Speaker 8: toxicity is associated with the spike protein. And you can

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Speaker 8: see that because all of these vaccines that contain spike

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Speaker 8: have certain effects on blood clotting and myocarditis, for example,

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Speaker 8: and seem to have similar effects on some of the

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Speaker 8: brain function problems. But there are other toxicities that seem

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Speaker 8: to be unique to the m R and A products,

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Speaker 8: and they're in they're you know, positively charged fat formulations.

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Speaker 1: Now, to the extent they continue using these, the emergency

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Speaker 1: use authorization has to end at some point. They're free

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Speaker 1: from any liability, so it doesn't, no, it doesn't doesn't.

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Speaker 8: And that's one of the key things that people have

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Speaker 8: gotten distracted about. They're dropping the UH declaration of medical emergency.

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Speaker 8: The US government is under the Biden administration in the

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Speaker 8: near future, but the authorization for emergency use comes under

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Speaker 8: a separate statute and they haven't done anything about that.

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Speaker 8: So currently the euas will continue. And it's fascinating that

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Speaker 8: neither Piser nor More Donna will provide the actual licensed product.

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Speaker 8: That was all a ploy on the part of the

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Speaker 8: Biden administration to impose the mandates, but neither Piser no

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Speaker 8: more Donner will provide those. Only the EUA product is

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Speaker 8: available because of the various issues with liability and the

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Speaker 8: requirements that they perform additional clinical trials, just like they

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Speaker 8: were required to perform clinical trials and pregnancy, but they bypass.

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Speaker 1: That frightening stuff and even maybe more frightening, equally frightening

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Speaker 1: the alignment of government and media and doctor Fauci and

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Speaker 1: the pharmaceutical companies lockstep saying this was this was absolutely necessary,

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Speaker 1: and that it was aoka for you to be fired

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Speaker 1: from your job for not taking this drug. How is

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Speaker 1: it that they all collectively got together and even censored you.

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Speaker 1: You were the inventor of this, and they just they

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Speaker 1: completely censored you and and smeared you when you're one

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Speaker 1: of the most authoritative individuals on this Why is there

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Speaker 1: a Why is there an answer to that? Out there, sir,

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Speaker 1: what we know right.

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Speaker 8: Now, And I don't want to speculate about what was

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Speaker 8: going on in people's minds because I'm not a mind reader.

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Speaker 8: But we can see the artifacts, the documents and the

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Speaker 8: paper trails from what they've done, and for instance, we

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Speaker 8: can see that in the Twitter files, and we can

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Speaker 8: see it in the Attorney General's State attorney General's lawsuit

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Speaker 8: against Google and the US government. It's very clear that

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Speaker 8: the government took a position that was really first developed

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Speaker 8: or certainly advanced during the Event two one that was

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Speaker 8: held in the fall of twenty nineteen, sponsored by Bill

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Speaker 8: Gates and the WEF, in which they decided that they

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Speaker 8: were going to do this really extreme propaganda effort under

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Speaker 8: the thesis that they would have a safe and effective

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Speaker 8: vaccine and that there would be no drugs that would

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Speaker 8: be effective, and that the virus would be highly lethal.

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Speaker 8: Those are their assumptions, and they just marched forward based

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Speaker 8: on that and said, well, to protect the public, we're

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Speaker 8: going to have to shut down and censor people that

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Speaker 8: say anything that might cause quote vaccine hesitancy, whether or

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Speaker 8: not it's true. And so that was the rationale, was

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Speaker 8: that for our own good, we had to be protected

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Speaker 8: from information because it might lead us to not take

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Speaker 8: a product that turns out was neither safe nor effective.

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Speaker 1: It's a cosmic gambles what they rolled the dice on.

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Speaker 1: It seems the other component of it is. And I

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Speaker 1: thought this was an offense to all practitioners of medicine,

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Speaker 1: the idea that you can diagnose and be diagnostician for

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Speaker 1: your patient and prescribe medications that you believe would be

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Speaker 1: effective in dealing with the underlying problem. In this case

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Speaker 1: the symptoms of COVID. Some were terrible for some and

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Speaker 1: some were really light for others. But ivermectin came out

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Speaker 1: really early as a potential use, and yet it will

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Speaker 1: be an off label use. So they criticized even the

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Speaker 1: consideration of that in the face of sound medical literature

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Speaker 1: that it worked.

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Speaker 8: Ivermectin and hydroxy chloroquine, and hydroxy chloroquine was even identified

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Speaker 8: by a paper by Tony Fauci a few years ago

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Speaker 8: before this outbreak as effective against stars I, which is

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Speaker 8: closely related. So there's a whole lot of questions. Of course,

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Speaker 8: the President of the United States, whatever you think of

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Speaker 8: mister Trump, the President of the United States, directed that

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Speaker 8: hydroxy chloroquine be made available, and Peter Navarro went to

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Speaker 8: great links to secure enough drug supply, and Janet Woodcock

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Speaker 8: at FDA and Rick Bright at BARTA basically colluded to

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Speaker 8: circumvent the will and decision of the President of the

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Speaker 8: United States through various bureaucratic shenanigans.

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Speaker 1: And that was purely political, but it also was and

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Speaker 1: I'm certainly a financial motivation, because of course, the pharmaceutical

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Speaker 1: companies end up making billions of dollars off of this,

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Speaker 1: because you're not allowed to rely on something else that

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Speaker 1: might have been equally effective in reducing your symptoms.

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Speaker 8: So to that point, the article we're writing right now

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Speaker 8: for today involves the current director of the Center for

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Speaker 8: Drug Evaluation and Research, who has been put in that

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Speaker 8: place to replace Janet Woodcock. She was put in there

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Speaker 8: by Scott Gottlieb, who then left and went to Pfizer,

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Speaker 8: and she had previously been a senior Pfizer executive. She's

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Speaker 8: a Canadian, and she was advanced through the FDA ranks

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Speaker 8: unusually quickly to the point now where she's one of

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Speaker 8: the most powerful people in the FDA right now, and

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Speaker 8: she is all in a phisor I mean, the corruption

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Speaker 8: here and the revolving door is deep, well documented, readily acknowledged.

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Speaker 8: You'll remember the project Veritus honey Trap, in which this

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Speaker 8: revolving door was directly acknowledged by a senior a Pfizer executive.

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Speaker 8: And we have a deep problem right now with the

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Speaker 8: compromise of our government and the administrative state by the

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Speaker 8: interests of large corporations. It's not just Pharma, it's Boeing,

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Speaker 8: it's Monsano, it's all these big corporations compromising the independence

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Speaker 8: of the agencies that are supposed to be regulating them.

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Speaker 1: And over whom the agencies have a tremendous amount of

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Speaker 1: control over their future. So by working with them and

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Speaker 1: caving to the will of government, you maybe avoid a

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Speaker 1: compleat c and sought it, or you may be more

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Speaker 1: likely to get a grant or some other favor curried

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Speaker 1: by government. So don't buck the system. Is that where

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Speaker 1: we are.

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Speaker 8: It is, and it's actually where we've been for a

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Speaker 8: long time. It's just that the last the stress on

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Speaker 8: the system over the last three years has revealed it

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Speaker 8: to a lot of people that were previously ignorant. And

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Speaker 8: I got to admit I thought I really understood a

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Speaker 8: lot of this and what was going on. And when

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Speaker 8: I read Bobby Kennedy's book The Real Anthony Fauci, I

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Speaker 8: was depressed for three weeks. I realized that I only

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Speaker 8: knew a fraction of it. Everything is siloed, compartmentalized, so

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Speaker 8: that people aren't really aware of how corrupted things are,

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Speaker 8: because there's very few people that see across the government horizontally.

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Speaker 8: They just see their own individual silos and they go

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Speaker 8: about their daily job.

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Speaker 1: I can certainly understand that lies my government told me.

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Speaker 1: And the Better Future Coming by my guest today, doctor

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Speaker 1: Robert Malone, the second part of the title, and the

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Speaker 1: Better Future Coming, What can we do about it? Obviously

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Speaker 1: there's a little optimism built into the title of your book.

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Speaker 1: So can you offer some words of encouragement before we part?

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Speaker 1: Come today, doctor Yeah.

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Speaker 8: So one of the practical things that everybody can do

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Speaker 8: is work towards a more decentralized future. There are all

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Speaker 8: kinds of forces that are driving us towards a kind

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Speaker 8: of a global world government set up, and there are

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Speaker 8: many ways we can oppose those forces and work towards

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Speaker 8: a decentralized future, which is what George Orwell believed was

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Speaker 8: the only way out of that dark future that he

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Speaker 8: envisioned in nineteen eighty four. And one of the things

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Speaker 8: we can do here is you cannot be a victim.

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Speaker 7: Be a warrior.

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Speaker 8: Learn how fifth generation warfare works. Understand the term, Understand

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Speaker 8: the propaganda that's been deployed on all of us. And

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Speaker 8: as soon as you do that, you become or resistant

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Speaker 8: to it. You can see through it, and then you

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02:04:03,120 --> 02:04:07,680
Speaker 8: can start to act in the grocery line and on

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Speaker 8: social media in all kinds of ways. This is a

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Speaker 8: new era where people can be empowered.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate that optimism. That's what my morning show is

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Speaker 1: all about, you know. And you have to learn not

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02:04:17,600 --> 02:04:21,280
Speaker 1: to care if someone is online smearing you, you know what,

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02:04:21,440 --> 02:04:23,240
Speaker 1: you can rise above that and ignore them. You know

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Speaker 1: what opinions are like, doctor, everybody's got one. It's been

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Speaker 1: a real pleasure. Keep fighting the good fight, doctor Malone.

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Speaker 1: It's a great having you on. I'm going to encourage

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Speaker 1: my listeners to buy a copy of your book, which

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Speaker 1: will be easily available at fifty five carec dot com,

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Speaker 1: Share it with your friends and speak truth to power.

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Speaker 1: Robert Malone, thank you for your time today, and thanks

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Speaker 1: for doing exactly that and speaking truth to power.

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Speaker 8: Thank you, sir, Thanks for your time too, and.

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Speaker 1: Thanking from the bottom of my art for agreeing to

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Speaker 1: come on the fifty five Percy Morning Show. You see

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Speaker 1: Professor biological Science, doctor Joseph Benoit, doctor Benoir, thank you

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Speaker 1: for coming in the program. I found out about this

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Speaker 1: crazy alpha gal syndrome yesterday apparently transmitted by lone star tics,

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Speaker 1: which we do have in the state of Ohio. There's

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Speaker 1: a big outbreak in Virginia of this syndrome, which is

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Speaker 1: referred to as a meat allergy that's contracted through tick

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Speaker 1: bites and apparently can be life threatening. We had some

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Speaker 1: listeners calling after I brought this subject up and said, oh,

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Speaker 1: I know some people who have this. It's horrific. They

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Speaker 1: haven't been able to eat meat in years. Welcome to

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Speaker 1: the program, doctor, it's great having you on. Were you

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Speaker 1: Are you familiar? You're familiar with this?

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Speaker 14: Eh, yeah, I'm familiar with it. It's actually a pretty

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Speaker 14: common it's actually not a disease. Rather, it's just an

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Speaker 14: allergy to the ticks themselves. And what will happen with

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Speaker 14: it is pretty much they have the moment star tics

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Speaker 14: have sugars and other molecules in their spit. And what

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Speaker 14: will happen is people get a bit by a tick.

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Speaker 14: Your bit for four or five six days exposed a

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Speaker 14: lot of it, and then that caused you to be

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Speaker 14: allergic to these specific sugar molecules, and that's pretty much

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Speaker 14: what happens, and so it could be pretty dangerous later

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Speaker 14: on if you're exposed again. And a lot of these

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Speaker 14: sugars are just found in meat types, so pretty much

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Speaker 14: any red meat. But then like fish, reptiles, birds, like chicken,

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Speaker 14: you're fine to eat.

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Speaker 1: Well. So your body's immune response is to attack the

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Speaker 1: tick venom or the tick saliva, but it can't determine

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Speaker 1: the difference between the meat you eat and that particular

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Speaker 1: immune response. So it's launching an immune response for something

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Speaker 1: that your body shouldn't launch an immune response over.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, that's exactly what it is. You could also get it.

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Speaker 14: So some people just develop it just normally, like not normally,

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Speaker 14: but just they'll eat meat, they'll develop an allergy to it,

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Speaker 14: and it happens in but that's a lot that's very rare,

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Speaker 14: and it just really with this tick. It's these alpha

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Speaker 14: galle molecules. They expose you to so many of them,

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Speaker 14: then from that point on your body thinks that it's

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Speaker 14: actually you're being invaded, either by a pathogen or some

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Speaker 14: sort of foreign body. So you end up with this

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Speaker 14: this prolonged and reaction, and once you get it, there's

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Speaker 14: really no way to.

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Speaker 9: Turn it around.

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Speaker 1: Oh my, now is it? Can you get it from

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Speaker 1: any lone star tick or is there only certain of

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Speaker 1: them that carry it? Like lime disease for example. My

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Speaker 1: understanding is not all ticks carry lime disease, but some do.

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Speaker 1: Is this it's just the saliva that this particular tick has,

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Speaker 1: or has the tick itself contracted this or otherwise carried

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Speaker 1: this that not all lone star ticks carry.

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Speaker 8: No.

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Speaker 14: It seems to really just be the actual tick itself.

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Speaker 14: But even if you get bitten by it, it doesn't

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Speaker 14: as I have actually been personally bitten by lone star

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Speaker 14: ticks before, don't have the syndrome. So it's you can

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Speaker 14: still be bit by the ticks and not develop it.

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Speaker 14: It's just you have to have kind of the right

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Speaker 14: genetics be bitten by the tick. And they think there's

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Speaker 14: some population effects potentially where certain groups of loan startics

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Speaker 14: are likely more likely to cause this alpha gal syndrome.

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Speaker 14: So it's really not it's not just any loan startics,

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Speaker 14: but it's maybe certain populations of loan startics, and then

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Speaker 14: they have to bite and feed on the right people

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Speaker 14: in order for them to develop this syndrome.

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Speaker 1: Okay, now what what type of allergic reaction are people

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Speaker 1: going to have if this if they if they're afflicted

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Speaker 1: with alpha gal syndrome.

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Speaker 14: Oh, I mean mainly just think like when you start

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Speaker 14: thinking of people with like that full bore immune reaction,

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Speaker 14: like when they're allergic to anything. I mean we're talking,

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Speaker 14: you'll get hives, you'll get itchy, you'll get rashy, there'll

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Speaker 14: be some like not because mainly the next time is

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Speaker 14: when you eat it, and so you'll get a reaction

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Speaker 14: with your stomach where you'll get nausea, vomiting, you can

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Speaker 14: drop in like blood pressure, dizziness, and so really just

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Speaker 14: think of a very severe immune reaction with some abdominal

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Speaker 14: issues as well, after you've eaten the red meat, and

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Speaker 14: usually it's about two to six hours after that, and

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Speaker 14: even some people can after you've consumed it, and even

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Speaker 14: for some people's cases, it can even extend to like

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Speaker 14: dairy products as well, and so you're pretty much eliminated

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Speaker 14: from red wheat meat and some dairy products. And then

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Speaker 14: you even have to worry about it. And they've gotten

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Speaker 14: rid of a lot of these because of this. But

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Speaker 14: there's some sort of like there's some coatings on medication

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Speaker 14: and those sort of things that are also based off

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Speaker 14: this alpha gl molecule, So then you have to watch

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Speaker 14: a little bit for that. So it's and really like,

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Speaker 14: even if you develop it, it can range from like

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Speaker 14: a mild effect to life threatening. But what will happened

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Speaker 14: with a lot of people, say you develop it, your

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02:10:08,080 --> 02:10:12,080
Speaker 14: first reactions are mild and people will just like keep

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02:10:12,160 --> 02:10:14,440
Speaker 14: eating the meat and right sort of thing, and that

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Speaker 14: it can get worse.

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Speaker 1: Oh wonderful, because I personally would want to live in

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02:10:18,920 --> 02:10:21,040
Speaker 1: a state of denial that the meat that I'm eating

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02:10:21,120 --> 02:10:23,400
Speaker 1: has anything to do with my health. But here you

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02:10:23,520 --> 02:10:26,200
Speaker 1: have this terrible condition and I happen to like a

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Speaker 1: bacon cheeseburger from time to time, doctor, and I can't

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Speaker 1: imagine life without all of these wonderful things that you

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02:10:31,840 --> 02:10:34,560
Speaker 1: refer to, which we might be prohibited from eating real quickly,

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02:10:34,640 --> 02:10:37,520
Speaker 1: for we part company. If someone believes they have this

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02:10:37,760 --> 02:10:39,320
Speaker 1: or has been bent by a lone star tike and

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02:10:39,360 --> 02:10:42,120
Speaker 1: starts developing these symptoms, I seek medical attention. You said

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02:10:42,120 --> 02:10:44,720
Speaker 1: there's no cure for it, But what's your recommendation for

2406
02:10:44,840 --> 02:10:47,560
Speaker 1: listeners who might might be experiencing this?

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02:10:49,160 --> 02:10:50,760
Speaker 14: I mean what I would do I was a go

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02:10:51,040 --> 02:10:55,160
Speaker 14: to the doctor. You're probably going to have to change

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02:10:55,160 --> 02:10:57,280
Speaker 14: your diet. You're probably really going to have to stop

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02:10:57,360 --> 02:11:03,480
Speaker 14: eating mammal meat, to be honest, beef, pork, lamb, rabbit,

2411
02:11:04,120 --> 02:11:08,160
Speaker 14: and depind on your level of severity, you may even

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02:11:08,240 --> 02:11:12,800
Speaker 14: have to avoid milk products as well. And then there's

2413
02:11:12,880 --> 02:11:17,720
Speaker 14: really like some people will like even have reaction to

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02:11:17,880 --> 02:11:21,360
Speaker 14: some other like drugs, and so you should just talk

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02:11:21,400 --> 02:11:23,600
Speaker 14: to your doctor. You'll probably if it ends up severe,

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02:11:24,120 --> 02:11:27,680
Speaker 14: you're probably going to have to have a massive lifestyle

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02:11:27,840 --> 02:11:32,960
Speaker 14: change that focuses on avoiding red meat products the rest

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02:11:32,960 --> 02:11:33,440
Speaker 14: of your life.

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02:11:33,560 --> 02:11:35,839
Speaker 1: Well, one of the listeners that called in yesterday doctors

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02:11:35,880 --> 02:11:39,200
Speaker 1: said that the person who they knew had this alpha

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02:11:39,280 --> 02:11:42,280
Speaker 1: Gole syndrome couldn't be even in the room where meat

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02:11:42,440 --> 02:11:45,520
Speaker 1: was being prepared. The the I guess the fats or

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02:11:45,560 --> 02:11:48,040
Speaker 1: whatever the got into the air. She would react to

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02:11:48,120 --> 02:11:50,960
Speaker 1: those in the same way, does that sound like something

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02:11:51,000 --> 02:11:53,080
Speaker 1: you've heard before of experienced before in your practice.

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02:11:54,440 --> 02:11:58,200
Speaker 14: That is like the rarest of the rare situations I've

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02:11:58,240 --> 02:12:01,480
Speaker 14: heard on. That would be like you get the example

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02:12:01,560 --> 02:12:04,160
Speaker 14: of the kids of pena allergies. Yeah, when they have

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02:12:04,280 --> 02:12:07,120
Speaker 14: the pena allergies to the point where like they can't

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02:12:07,160 --> 02:12:11,200
Speaker 14: even be like if anybody in the cafeteria has a

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02:12:11,280 --> 02:12:15,120
Speaker 14: peanut butter product or a nut product, that they can't

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02:12:15,160 --> 02:12:18,320
Speaker 14: be in the same room. So that's like the rarest

2433
02:12:18,400 --> 02:12:21,440
Speaker 14: of the case. Usually most of them never developed that far.

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Speaker 14: Most of them. It's it's an ingestion contact based allergy.

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Speaker 14: But you got to also keep mine when some people

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Speaker 14: a lot of times are preparing me and that sort

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Speaker 14: of thing, they're cutting it. There's maybe people aren't washing

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02:12:34,400 --> 02:12:36,880
Speaker 14: their hands. They may also even be touching places too

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02:12:37,680 --> 02:12:42,160
Speaker 14: that and people are always quite careful, and so it's

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Speaker 14: I would say, it's it's an ingestion effect and that's

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02:12:45,760 --> 02:12:48,480
Speaker 14: really where you want to make sure to avoid it

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02:12:48,560 --> 02:12:49,680
Speaker 14: if you end up with the syndrome.

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Speaker 1: All right, And since it sounds like in some cases

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02:12:52,600 --> 02:12:55,440
Speaker 1: anaphyactic shock, is there an EpiPen or anything like that

2445
02:12:55,600 --> 02:12:57,960
Speaker 1: out there that would relieve some of the more serious

2446
02:12:57,960 --> 02:13:00,480
Speaker 1: symptoms to the extent that are severe sufferer out there.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, I mean, it's if you end up with this,

2448
02:13:04,600 --> 02:13:07,600
Speaker 14: you'll end up probably carrying an EpiPen, just like you

2449
02:13:07,640 --> 02:13:10,240
Speaker 14: would have a severe or allergic reaction, Like I am

2450
02:13:10,440 --> 02:13:14,320
Speaker 14: extremely allergic to bees. I carry EpiPen when with me,

2451
02:13:14,800 --> 02:13:17,280
Speaker 14: when I run and those sort of things. But this

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02:13:17,480 --> 02:13:19,000
Speaker 14: is one of those syndrome that if you end up

2453
02:13:19,040 --> 02:13:22,280
Speaker 14: developing it, you probably maybe you want to have an

2454
02:13:22,320 --> 02:13:25,120
Speaker 14: EpiPen or some sort of treatment be ready if you

2455
02:13:25,200 --> 02:13:29,320
Speaker 14: got to dinner or any of those places, because you

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02:13:29,600 --> 02:13:33,640
Speaker 14: usually have to tell them to not cross contaminate red

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02:13:33,720 --> 02:13:36,760
Speaker 14: meat products, whether there cooking the fish in those aspects.

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02:13:36,840 --> 02:13:39,040
Speaker 14: But it's, yeah, it's you'd have to worry about it

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Speaker 14: as similarly to any allergy.

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Speaker 1: Doctor Joshuna, you see, professor of biological science. I truly

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Speaker 1: thank you for your willingness to come on the program

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Speaker 1: to talk about this, because quite honestly, when I heard

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Speaker 1: about it first, I'm thinking, no life without meat now,

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02:13:53,280 --> 02:13:55,840
Speaker 1: please Dear God, so stay the hell away from lone

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02:13:55,880 --> 02:13:58,200
Speaker 1: star ticks. I mean, there's no real way to avoid

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Speaker 1: them other than just the normal precautions. Presume, like say,

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02:14:00,920 --> 02:14:03,040
Speaker 1: we're bright clothing so you can see the tics and

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02:14:03,120 --> 02:14:05,440
Speaker 1: make sure you're you know, pant legs are tucked in

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02:14:05,600 --> 02:14:08,360
Speaker 1: and you're searching yourself, if you know, looking for ticks

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02:14:08,400 --> 02:14:10,160
Speaker 1: after you've been working in the yard, that kind of thing.

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Speaker 1: Other than that, it's like nature's crapshoot, isn't it.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, and be and permetering to work well as repellents.

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02:14:18,240 --> 02:14:22,120
Speaker 14: And luckily, at least within this area, the Sinte area,

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Speaker 14: we don't have a lot of loans arctics in this area.

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02:14:26,240 --> 02:14:28,680
Speaker 14: Good they're beginning to be. We're starting to see them

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Speaker 14: a little bit into this area with some climate change.

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02:14:31,960 --> 02:14:34,520
Speaker 14: But it's at least right now we're limited to Gulf

2478
02:14:34,640 --> 02:14:38,360
Speaker 14: Coast dog ticks, some black leged ticcks on the east

2479
02:14:38,400 --> 02:14:41,960
Speaker 14: side of Cincinnati, but so in this area year. But

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Speaker 14: as you get to like the southeast area and then

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02:14:45,160 --> 02:14:48,160
Speaker 14: while even in the northeast, the loan's artics will become

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02:14:48,240 --> 02:14:52,240
Speaker 14: much more prevalent. And so really spared this a little

2483
02:14:52,280 --> 02:14:54,680
Speaker 14: bit right now, but that could change over the next

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Speaker 14: few years.

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Speaker 1: Okay, well not all great news, but hey, you got

2486
02:14:58,560 --> 02:15:00,920
Speaker 1: to know the information to be in and know what

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02:15:01,000 --> 02:15:02,680
Speaker 1: to do in the aftermath. Doctor, it has been a

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02:15:02,720 --> 02:15:06,960
Speaker 1: real pleasure having you on the program. Your credentials are wonderful.

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02:15:07,000 --> 02:15:10,960
Speaker 1: I'm staring at your CV right now. Insects, stress tolerance,

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Speaker 1: ormonal regulation, metabolism, reproductive physiology, molecular physiology, transcript transcript domics.

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Speaker 1: Someday we're gonna have to have a conversation about what

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02:15:21,960 --> 02:15:24,640
Speaker 1: that is. Doctor, appreciate your learned opinion today on the

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02:15:24,640 --> 02:15:26,920
Speaker 1: fifty five KRC Morning Show. Thanks and have a great week.

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Speaker 1: My friend