1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:02,000 Speaker 1: I'm glad I actually know it, and I think Dave 2 00:00:02,040 --> 00:00:03,960 Speaker 1: has told me that that was that, that was that. 3 00:00:05,519 --> 00:00:06,760 Speaker 2: What that was from? 4 00:00:06,800 --> 00:00:09,559 Speaker 1: Sorry, he has told me what that was from, and 5 00:00:09,600 --> 00:00:12,960 Speaker 1: then I I sort of blanked it out, But now 6 00:00:13,000 --> 00:00:15,240 Speaker 1: I know, now you know, jerky boys. I also listen 7 00:00:15,320 --> 00:00:19,160 Speaker 1: to Adam Sandler. I liked Adam Sandler's you know, comminator 8 00:00:21,200 --> 00:00:27,840 Speaker 1: cort here here, that's for Adam. That's good harcary hark harkak. 9 00:00:28,320 --> 00:00:30,600 Speaker 2: It's better than mine. I certain wouldn't be able to 10 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:30,960 Speaker 2: do that. 11 00:00:31,800 --> 00:00:34,560 Speaker 1: Uh five six six zeros are Kae commaspreal text line. 12 00:00:35,440 --> 00:00:37,560 Speaker 1: We're gonna have Luca Evans joined a second? Do you 13 00:00:37,560 --> 00:00:40,720 Speaker 1: think the Broncos will draft players they want or don't want? 14 00:00:40,880 --> 00:00:43,960 Speaker 1: I don't see what that means. I don't even know 15 00:00:43,960 --> 00:00:45,720 Speaker 1: what answer. And that's kind of a snarky way of 16 00:00:45,720 --> 00:00:46,280 Speaker 1: saying John A. 17 00:00:46,360 --> 00:00:49,279 Speaker 2: Baron. You know, yeah, it feels like a shot at 18 00:00:49,320 --> 00:00:49,640 Speaker 2: John A. 19 00:00:49,760 --> 00:00:50,040 Speaker 3: Baron. 20 00:00:50,640 --> 00:00:52,400 Speaker 1: All right, let's set out to the ka Comma Spirit 21 00:00:52,400 --> 00:00:54,000 Speaker 1: Heal hotline. Bring on a good friend of the program, 22 00:00:54,200 --> 00:00:56,320 Speaker 1: Luca Avaans joining us here. Luca, thank you so much 23 00:00:56,320 --> 00:00:58,920 Speaker 1: for the time. I know you're in transits on your 24 00:00:58,920 --> 00:00:59,360 Speaker 1: way back. 25 00:00:59,480 --> 00:01:00,280 Speaker 2: How are you man? 26 00:01:01,440 --> 00:01:04,080 Speaker 3: I am good. I'm good. It was good to get 27 00:01:04,120 --> 00:01:07,199 Speaker 3: to see you out there. Man. Yeah, it's the first combine. 28 00:01:07,560 --> 00:01:12,240 Speaker 3: I am exhausted beyond belief. I'm not I'm not built 29 00:01:12,240 --> 00:01:15,320 Speaker 3: for it. I can't hang. But man, it was fun. 30 00:01:15,160 --> 00:01:18,360 Speaker 1: No, that's I've been not nic say whiting, but I've 31 00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:20,280 Speaker 1: been saying that all afternoon. I was like, I flew 32 00:01:20,319 --> 00:01:24,360 Speaker 1: back this morning and yeah, you just it's a burn, 33 00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:26,560 Speaker 1: but it's a good one, and you're right, it's it's 34 00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:29,000 Speaker 1: a blast to be a part of. This was my 35 00:01:29,200 --> 00:01:31,800 Speaker 1: seventh I believe, so this is your first really. 36 00:01:31,640 --> 00:01:32,160 Speaker 2: I didn't know that. 37 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:35,399 Speaker 3: Yeah, first time. I mean, you know, first year on 38 00:01:36,480 --> 00:01:39,320 Speaker 3: first year on the beat. So but man, it was 39 00:01:39,760 --> 00:01:43,000 Speaker 3: it was great, you know, good to uh to see 40 00:01:43,080 --> 00:01:48,360 Speaker 3: people and talk to people, and plenty of interesting Broncos 41 00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:50,040 Speaker 3: stuff to come out of the week, that's for sure. 42 00:01:50,200 --> 00:01:52,200 Speaker 1: All Right, let's get to it, man. I mean, what 43 00:01:52,440 --> 00:01:54,440 Speaker 1: were some things that you felt like you learned? 44 00:01:55,520 --> 00:01:55,800 Speaker 2: Yeah? 45 00:01:55,840 --> 00:02:01,560 Speaker 3: Well, I mean, man, there's there's there's a lot. Uh. 46 00:02:02,440 --> 00:02:05,960 Speaker 3: You know. Firstly, obviously we had the news the Broncos 47 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:11,080 Speaker 3: tendering second round tender on uh Jake Wan McMillan today, 48 00:02:11,120 --> 00:02:16,680 Speaker 3: which you know is to be expected ultimately, but signals 49 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:21,800 Speaker 3: certainly that that he'll be in almost all likelihood back 50 00:02:22,040 --> 00:02:25,520 Speaker 3: as the starting nickel. He'll head into camp in that regard, 51 00:02:25,560 --> 00:02:27,720 Speaker 3: and you know, I believe that. I don't know. I 52 00:02:27,800 --> 00:02:29,640 Speaker 3: just I just heard the name Jodi Baron as soon 53 00:02:29,680 --> 00:02:32,919 Speaker 3: as I h called over here. But it'll be really 54 00:02:32,919 --> 00:02:36,840 Speaker 3: interesting to see how Denver kind of views him. I 55 00:02:36,880 --> 00:02:42,360 Speaker 3: was told I it's probably likely that John Payton pushes 56 00:02:42,880 --> 00:02:46,559 Speaker 3: in some regard for Johday Barn maybe to play outside, 57 00:02:46,720 --> 00:02:50,400 Speaker 3: to to try and you know, compete with Riley Moss 58 00:02:50,680 --> 00:02:55,120 Speaker 3: on that you know, boundary opposite pats for tan Uh 59 00:02:55,160 --> 00:02:58,079 Speaker 3: in camp, because ultimately you want to you want to 60 00:02:58,120 --> 00:03:00,919 Speaker 3: get some some you know, you the first round pick 61 00:03:01,160 --> 00:03:04,040 Speaker 3: on the guy. They still certainly like him. George Peyton 62 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:05,919 Speaker 3: said at the combine he thinks he can play inside 63 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:10,840 Speaker 3: him out, so you know, starting there and then you know, 64 00:03:10,880 --> 00:03:13,519 Speaker 3: I'm sure you guys have been have been running through 65 00:03:13,560 --> 00:03:17,880 Speaker 3: the the Davis web news, but it was really interesting, 66 00:03:17,919 --> 00:03:20,919 Speaker 3: you know, talking with some prospects at the combine. Man 67 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:24,560 Speaker 3: Davis is in there and he is, you know, talking 68 00:03:24,560 --> 00:03:27,480 Speaker 3: with Kenyon Zadik. I just wrote about it today. But 69 00:03:27,600 --> 00:03:30,640 Speaker 3: Davis is the one leading that conversation, and that's not 70 00:03:30,919 --> 00:03:34,079 Speaker 3: unusual for position coaches to be leading those those formal 71 00:03:34,120 --> 00:03:37,680 Speaker 3: meetings of the combine, certainly rather than Sean Payton. But 72 00:03:37,800 --> 00:03:41,080 Speaker 3: for Davis, you know, new I minted play caller to 73 00:03:41,120 --> 00:03:42,680 Speaker 3: be doing that I think is pretty interesting. 74 00:03:43,640 --> 00:03:45,720 Speaker 4: So Luca, could you expand a little bit on that, 75 00:03:47,520 --> 00:03:50,840 Speaker 4: the Davis Web Sean Payton relationship, that collaboration. 76 00:03:50,960 --> 00:03:52,320 Speaker 2: What you think that's going to look like. 77 00:03:52,440 --> 00:03:55,120 Speaker 4: Yes, we're hearing he's going to call the plays, but 78 00:03:55,520 --> 00:03:57,880 Speaker 4: who's going to be the architect of that offense? Who's 79 00:03:57,880 --> 00:04:00,680 Speaker 4: going to be the vision of where this offen is going? 80 00:04:00,760 --> 00:04:02,320 Speaker 4: Is that going to be Davis Web? 81 00:04:03,680 --> 00:04:06,560 Speaker 3: I think it's really interesting. This is going to dominate 82 00:04:06,760 --> 00:04:11,640 Speaker 3: kind of really every everything leading into Denver's season in 83 00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:17,240 Speaker 3: twenty twenty six. But Sean Payton said point blank at 84 00:04:17,240 --> 00:04:19,000 Speaker 3: his press or that this is still going to be 85 00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:24,320 Speaker 3: his or our offense as as he put it, Sorry, 86 00:04:24,360 --> 00:04:27,080 Speaker 3: I'm if you hear that, that's that's that's the that's 87 00:04:27,080 --> 00:04:27,520 Speaker 3: the AIRPCE. 88 00:04:28,560 --> 00:04:30,919 Speaker 2: So just yeah, I don't worry. 89 00:04:32,320 --> 00:04:37,400 Speaker 3: Evan, Evan, Evan, don't worry no Davis. And so to me, 90 00:04:37,480 --> 00:04:39,080 Speaker 3: you have the question of Okay, is this going to 91 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:44,400 Speaker 3: be Davis running Davis's offense or is this going to 92 00:04:44,480 --> 00:04:49,920 Speaker 3: be Davis web running Sean Payton's offense? You know, ultimately 93 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:51,760 Speaker 3: with with Peyton pulling the strings. And to me, there 94 00:04:51,800 --> 00:04:56,600 Speaker 3: was this underlying thread throughout Sean Payton's whole press conference 95 00:04:56,640 --> 00:04:59,159 Speaker 3: of he would occasionally throw in that you know, they'll 96 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:02,480 Speaker 3: still be calling some play, so we'll still be doing 97 00:05:02,480 --> 00:05:04,520 Speaker 3: certain things on game days. So I don't think I 98 00:05:04,520 --> 00:05:09,880 Speaker 3: think it's hard to imagine him fully relinquishing control, although 99 00:05:09,920 --> 00:05:17,040 Speaker 3: he does seem certainly excited and self reflective. It's notable 100 00:05:17,120 --> 00:05:20,360 Speaker 3: that it sounded like he was thinking about this mid 101 00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:26,000 Speaker 3: season last year. So I think ultimately, to me what 102 00:05:26,040 --> 00:05:28,799 Speaker 3: it seems to be leaning towards is you have Davis 103 00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:33,960 Speaker 3: Webb and his ability, his imagination to bring those plays 104 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:37,359 Speaker 3: off of Sean Payton's call sheet and structure them, communicate 105 00:05:37,400 --> 00:05:39,880 Speaker 3: them a little bit faster and more efficiently the bononicks. 106 00:05:40,720 --> 00:05:43,520 Speaker 3: But ultimately, you know, how much free reign he has 107 00:05:43,880 --> 00:05:46,360 Speaker 3: is going to be absolutely interesting, no. 108 00:05:46,279 --> 00:05:46,760 Speaker 2: Doubt about it. 109 00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:49,400 Speaker 1: Luca Evans joining us here, We'll get you out of 110 00:05:49,400 --> 00:05:51,040 Speaker 1: here on a couple more because I know you got 111 00:05:51,040 --> 00:05:55,240 Speaker 1: to catch playing, but we were discussing how this decision 112 00:05:55,680 --> 00:05:58,320 Speaker 1: came about, and maybe that ultimately doesn't matter because we're 113 00:05:58,360 --> 00:06:02,280 Speaker 1: here either way. But Sean alluded to that, Hey Will, 114 00:06:02,320 --> 00:06:03,880 Speaker 1: we were tenth in yards, and of course we went 115 00:06:03,880 --> 00:06:05,640 Speaker 1: over some of the stats. They were, you know, kind 116 00:06:05,640 --> 00:06:07,800 Speaker 1: of in the teens with almost everything else fourteenth and 117 00:06:07,839 --> 00:06:10,359 Speaker 1: points per game sixteenth and rushing eleventh and passing. So 118 00:06:11,480 --> 00:06:14,160 Speaker 1: I mean, is it, in your opinion, a reflection of 119 00:06:14,279 --> 00:06:18,120 Speaker 1: that why we're here now with Davis Webers maybe something else? 120 00:06:19,480 --> 00:06:24,560 Speaker 3: Yeah? To me, I think that's part of it. And 121 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:27,239 Speaker 3: I'll really just go off of what Sean Payton said 122 00:06:27,680 --> 00:06:30,920 Speaker 3: on Tuesday. But you know, he said whatever they were 123 00:06:30,920 --> 00:06:33,960 Speaker 3: in points per game, Sure, that's lately disappointing. I think 124 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:37,640 Speaker 3: there were legitimate concerns from what he said previously about 125 00:06:37,800 --> 00:06:41,240 Speaker 3: you know, some of the run game effectiveness consistency. I 126 00:06:41,279 --> 00:06:43,800 Speaker 3: think that had certainly a lot to do with why 127 00:06:43,800 --> 00:06:48,839 Speaker 3: they replaced Joe Lombardi ultimately, just in terms of potentially 128 00:06:48,880 --> 00:06:51,719 Speaker 3: Sean Payton wanting, you know, kind of a new voice 129 00:06:52,720 --> 00:06:57,240 Speaker 3: in the room. But what I think this boils down to, 130 00:06:57,480 --> 00:07:01,040 Speaker 3: or at least a huge part of it, is throughout 131 00:07:01,080 --> 00:07:05,840 Speaker 3: the year, you saw Bonix at times get frustrated that 132 00:07:05,880 --> 00:07:08,400 Speaker 3: the call wasn't coming in faster, or you had all 133 00:07:08,440 --> 00:07:12,600 Speaker 3: these moments of messy operation, you know, where things just 134 00:07:13,760 --> 00:07:17,200 Speaker 3: felt out of think the run and pass game weren't 135 00:07:17,200 --> 00:07:21,480 Speaker 3: clicking up, you had inconsistent kind of personnel shufflings. And 136 00:07:22,240 --> 00:07:25,800 Speaker 3: that's where sort of I think a lot of this 137 00:07:25,960 --> 00:07:30,440 Speaker 3: comes from is you know, I believe Sean Payton said 138 00:07:30,480 --> 00:07:34,160 Speaker 3: something like something to do with being faster, and I 139 00:07:34,160 --> 00:07:39,080 Speaker 3: think that's what this level ultimately is going to. I 140 00:07:39,080 --> 00:07:40,680 Speaker 3: think that's what a lot of the shift is is 141 00:07:40,800 --> 00:07:45,280 Speaker 3: him being more maybe just quicker, having that relationship with Bonix, 142 00:07:45,280 --> 00:07:49,200 Speaker 3: who obviously is you know, they're they're very close to 143 00:07:49,240 --> 00:07:52,640 Speaker 3: communicate and maybe kind of get things on the rails 144 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:56,760 Speaker 3: a little bit earlier in games rather than things sort 145 00:07:56,760 --> 00:07:58,760 Speaker 3: of clicking in the form by you know, the fourth 146 00:07:58,840 --> 00:08:02,160 Speaker 3: quarter is so much we saw throughout the season. 147 00:08:03,120 --> 00:08:07,600 Speaker 4: So Luca, the fits and starts, you know, the people 148 00:08:07,600 --> 00:08:10,560 Speaker 4: are talking about the Broncos needing more playmakers in the room. 149 00:08:11,480 --> 00:08:13,760 Speaker 4: Garat Boles was one who said, you know, maybe we 150 00:08:13,760 --> 00:08:16,120 Speaker 4: need some more playmakers. To what extent do you think 151 00:08:16,200 --> 00:08:19,800 Speaker 4: those fits and starts and the inconsistencies calling plays and 152 00:08:19,840 --> 00:08:24,040 Speaker 4: the challenges they had doing that, the operational stuff contributed 153 00:08:24,200 --> 00:08:27,080 Speaker 4: to guys not making plays, or do you have the 154 00:08:27,120 --> 00:08:31,880 Speaker 4: wrong guys in the room. As far as skill position players, well. 155 00:08:32,480 --> 00:08:35,480 Speaker 3: To me, I think the one really interesting saying around 156 00:08:35,520 --> 00:08:40,080 Speaker 3: messaging from you know, ever since the season ended is 157 00:08:40,160 --> 00:08:44,760 Speaker 3: they they've invested a lot in this wide receiver room, 158 00:08:45,679 --> 00:08:50,360 Speaker 3: obviously drafting Troy Franklin Martin THEMS Pat Bryant, and to 159 00:08:50,520 --> 00:08:57,200 Speaker 3: me that signals more that obviously they fired their receivers 160 00:08:57,240 --> 00:09:01,200 Speaker 3: coach Jerry Colbert. To me, that signals more, Hey, we like, 161 00:09:02,360 --> 00:09:04,439 Speaker 3: we like this group of guys. Maybe we can get 162 00:09:04,480 --> 00:09:07,800 Speaker 3: more out of them with different coaching, different process, et cetera. 163 00:09:08,120 --> 00:09:12,080 Speaker 3: Rather than making a huge move on a receiver. To me, 164 00:09:12,480 --> 00:09:16,880 Speaker 3: I just kind of reading the tea leaves or what 165 00:09:16,920 --> 00:09:20,360 Speaker 3: they've said, what's out there, what is going on? To me, 166 00:09:20,440 --> 00:09:23,120 Speaker 3: it makes more sense for them to potentially, you know, 167 00:09:23,679 --> 00:09:26,200 Speaker 3: make a bigger splash if they were to make one 168 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:31,080 Speaker 3: at running back at tight end rather than the receiver, 169 00:09:32,760 --> 00:09:35,320 Speaker 3: just in terms of kind of how they've communicated around that. 170 00:09:35,640 --> 00:09:38,760 Speaker 3: And I mean, we'll see. There's there's a lot of interesting, 171 00:09:40,240 --> 00:09:42,360 Speaker 3: potentially options on the market. I think this is a 172 00:09:42,400 --> 00:09:48,640 Speaker 3: really good sort of top end running back free agent class. 173 00:09:48,640 --> 00:09:51,400 Speaker 3: There's also I think I came away from the combine 174 00:09:51,480 --> 00:09:54,640 Speaker 3: really more impressed than I thought I would be with 175 00:09:55,120 --> 00:09:57,640 Speaker 3: the depth of the running back class because people have 176 00:09:57,720 --> 00:09:59,800 Speaker 3: talked about it just not being a very good class. 177 00:10:00,160 --> 00:10:02,600 Speaker 3: And one thing I'll just throw this out there too, 178 00:10:04,160 --> 00:10:06,600 Speaker 3: But one thing I've heard and know for certain, I 179 00:10:06,600 --> 00:10:08,840 Speaker 3: don't think Breese Hall is going to hit the market. 180 00:10:08,960 --> 00:10:12,280 Speaker 3: But if, by a chance he did and the Jets 181 00:10:12,280 --> 00:10:17,160 Speaker 3: don't tag him, he absolutely would be interested in Denver 182 00:10:17,200 --> 00:10:20,560 Speaker 3: a big time. So it's kind of an interesting one 183 00:10:20,600 --> 00:10:26,120 Speaker 3: to watch, but I would say it's probably unlikely that 184 00:10:26,320 --> 00:10:29,080 Speaker 3: he ends up hitting free agency. 185 00:10:29,280 --> 00:10:30,120 Speaker 2: That's a great info. 186 00:10:30,280 --> 00:10:33,160 Speaker 1: Luca tremendous job this week over of course of it 187 00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:36,760 Speaker 1: at to buy Luca Evans on Twitter, I really liked 188 00:10:36,880 --> 00:10:39,600 Speaker 1: the quotes you sent out by Jonah Coleman today. That 189 00:10:39,720 --> 00:10:42,280 Speaker 1: was really cool insight there into the meetings, and I 190 00:10:42,320 --> 00:10:44,040 Speaker 1: don't know that sometimes people were like, well why do 191 00:10:44,080 --> 00:10:47,439 Speaker 1: you ask why do we ask these players these prospects 192 00:10:47,679 --> 00:10:50,160 Speaker 1: about who they met with and what the meeting was like, 193 00:10:50,200 --> 00:10:52,720 Speaker 1: It's because of stuff like this, like you got that quote, 194 00:10:52,800 --> 00:10:55,200 Speaker 1: you got that what he talked about with Sean, talked 195 00:10:55,200 --> 00:10:56,000 Speaker 1: about with Davis. 196 00:10:56,240 --> 00:10:58,080 Speaker 2: I thought it was very insightful stuff. 197 00:10:58,120 --> 00:10:58,320 Speaker 1: Man. 198 00:10:59,320 --> 00:11:02,120 Speaker 3: Well, reallypreciate it, Brian, And yeah, that's why, you know, 199 00:11:03,040 --> 00:11:05,800 Speaker 3: trying to share some way and into the process. So 200 00:11:06,040 --> 00:11:09,160 Speaker 3: absolutely and really appreciate you having me on. Yep. 201 00:11:09,240 --> 00:11:11,160 Speaker 1: Absolutely, have a safe flight home and we'll shat with 202 00:11:11,160 --> 00:11:11,680 Speaker 1: you soon, Bud.