WEBVTT - Donna D -- 10/24/26 0:00:00.070 --> 0:00:04.130 Apparently he needs sleep or something like that. I don't know. 0:00:04.250 --> 0:00:06.780 It is Saturday night. We do a different show here. 0:00:06.820 --> 0:00:10.860 It's all about relationships on 700 WLW on this show, 0:00:10.920 --> 0:00:15.540 at least, night to midnight. The dating apps, we've, you know, 0:00:16.360 --> 0:00:19.750 they've been successful. I know a million people that are 0:00:19.910 --> 0:00:21.830 on them. Not a million, but a lot of people 0:00:22.290 --> 0:00:25.689 are on dating apps. But are people getting sick of 0:00:25.730 --> 0:00:30.500 swiping right now? Here to discuss dating apps and if 0:00:30.540 --> 0:00:35.860 singles are pretty much sick of the dating apps. Relationship 0:00:36.060 --> 0:00:38.800 expert and matchmaker Jennifer Stiers. 0:00:39.270 --> 0:00:41.170 Jen, welcome to the show. 0:00:41.190 --> 0:00:45.729 So glad to be on your show, Donna. 0:00:45.750 --> 0:00:49.690 This will be fun tonight, for sure. 0:00:50.070 --> 0:00:53.700 We have talked on a different show on this station 0:00:53.730 --> 0:00:54.730 with Eddie Fingers. 0:00:54.920 --> 0:00:57.070 And I was like, all right, you got to come on. 0:00:57.620 --> 0:00:59.830 And discuss some of this stuff with me on the 0:01:00.350 --> 0:01:03.250 Real Relationship Show so we can get into. 0:01:03.110 --> 0:01:04.569 The nitty-gritty of this stuff. 0:01:06.050 --> 0:01:08.930 So, Jen, the first question I have, right, we've all 0:01:09.150 --> 0:01:11.960 gotten used to these dating apps. And, you know, I 0:01:12.060 --> 0:01:15.700 personally have had several friends have great success with meeting 0:01:15.740 --> 0:01:19.140 their partners. But research is kind of saying people are 0:01:19.160 --> 0:01:21.220 getting sick of these apps. What are your thoughts on that? 0:01:22.330 --> 0:01:24.590 Yeah, well, they are. 0:01:25.360 --> 0:01:30.520 And the market has seen that indicator for many years now. 0:01:30.560 --> 0:01:33.900 We've been watching it go down. I think last year 0:01:33.959 --> 0:01:39.160 it took a really big dive in the market, and 0:01:39.500 --> 0:01:41.480 every single dating app was trying to figure out a 0:01:41.520 --> 0:01:44.670 new way to get people to get on the apps 0:01:44.770 --> 0:01:47.750 because people are tired of it. You know, it's just 0:01:48.170 --> 0:01:54.150 everything cycles, right? And these dating apps have cycled. And Donna, 0:01:54.190 --> 0:01:57.730 here's the truth of it. I'm in this. This is 0:01:57.770 --> 0:02:01.400 my world. I was voted by Match.com as one of 0:02:01.420 --> 0:02:04.540 their top 10 relationship experts. So I got to go 0:02:04.740 --> 0:02:10.480 inside Match. I was trained by them. And there's a 0:02:10.500 --> 0:02:15.079 lot of science behind, obviously, a lot of science behind love, relationships, dating, 0:02:15.120 --> 0:02:18.750 and all of that. And they were definitely in love 0:02:18.770 --> 0:02:20.570 with all of that. But I'm going to tell you something. 0:02:20.590 --> 0:02:24.480 These algorithms, they're not built to help you find love. 0:02:24.820 --> 0:02:26.980 They're built to keep you on it. Because if you 0:02:27.000 --> 0:02:30.980 get on and you find love right away, they're out 0:02:31.020 --> 0:02:34.840 of business. And I'm going to tell you something. Every 0:02:35.040 --> 0:02:37.329 one of these dating apps, every one of them know it. 0:02:37.480 --> 0:02:41.040 They know their algorithm isn't built to find matches. They're 0:02:41.060 --> 0:02:44.549 built to And there's all kinds of trickery going on 0:02:44.570 --> 0:02:45.450 in there. I'm just telling you. 0:02:45.950 --> 0:02:46.490 Oh, boy. 0:02:46.510 --> 0:02:48.889 From the minute you get on to the minute you 0:02:48.930 --> 0:02:51.690 get off. Because the minute you get off, then you 0:02:51.710 --> 0:02:55.010 start getting matches you never got before. But they're probably 0:02:55.030 --> 0:02:58.180 not even real. So there you go. 0:02:58.660 --> 0:03:02.280 I am surprised by this. I would never know. 0:03:02.300 --> 0:03:03.600 Yeah, I am. 0:03:03.680 --> 0:03:04.680 I'm surprised by it. 0:03:05.040 --> 0:03:08.139 First of all, is there a dating app that you 0:03:08.160 --> 0:03:11.060 think is worse or better? I mean, you mentioned Match.com. 0:03:12.020 --> 0:03:14.000 Is that a good dating app? 0:03:14.980 --> 0:03:16.459 You know, one of the better ones? 0:03:17.220 --> 0:03:19.139 No, they're probably the worst, to be honest. 0:03:19.260 --> 0:03:19.560 Okay. 0:03:19.620 --> 0:03:23.220 If you want my opinion, they're probably the worst. Yeah, I, 0:03:23.440 --> 0:03:25.370 you know, I don't know if there's a good one. 0:03:25.380 --> 0:03:30.010 I know that the guy that owns Hinge has tried 0:03:30.050 --> 0:03:34.489 a lot of cutting edge stuff. Nothing's working, though. Here's 0:03:34.530 --> 0:03:37.490 the thing, Donna, and this is a good thing. People's 0:03:37.610 --> 0:03:42.550 mindsets are changing. So The dating app served a purpose 0:03:42.570 --> 0:03:46.910 during a time. People got addicted to them. They also, 0:03:47.070 --> 0:03:49.930 what was happening is the result of being on there. 0:03:49.990 --> 0:03:54.160 The men, now, I think I sent you the numbers. 0:03:54.240 --> 0:03:57.330 So it's like the top... You know, 20% of the 0:03:57.390 --> 0:04:01.110 men are getting all the women. And, you know, the 0:04:01.150 --> 0:04:04.110 women are all, if you're attractive, the women are getting 0:04:04.130 --> 0:04:08.170 all kinds of men, like all kinds of attention online 0:04:08.210 --> 0:04:11.780 where the men aren't. So dating apps work against the 0:04:11.880 --> 0:04:15.080 average guy. If you're not six foot tall, rich, and 0:04:15.160 --> 0:04:19.960 good looking, you're not getting matched. Women will dismiss you 0:04:20.100 --> 0:04:25.310 on these apps. And the actual statistics and the numbers 0:04:25.350 --> 0:04:27.560 say that. That's not me just saying that. That is 0:04:27.700 --> 0:04:33.570 actually statistics. which is sad because everybody's pretty average, you know? 0:04:33.870 --> 0:04:36.790 Right. I mean, what are the percentages of guys that 0:04:36.850 --> 0:04:39.190 are six feet that have six figures? 0:04:39.230 --> 0:04:41.310 That was the stats in a six pack, right? 0:04:41.529 --> 0:04:44.990 Like the six, six, six number is what everybody is 0:04:45.050 --> 0:04:46.390 looking for, which is weird. 0:04:46.410 --> 0:04:50.349 And those are less than what is it? What was it? 0:04:50.350 --> 0:04:53.070 0.01% of the dating pool. 0:04:54.529 --> 0:04:54.789 Yeah. 0:04:54.890 --> 0:04:57.430 You know, it's crazy. I've been in this business a 0:04:57.490 --> 0:05:01.490 long time and, It blows my mind that women, you 0:05:01.529 --> 0:05:03.870 may have a five-foot woman and she'll be like, yeah, 0:05:03.930 --> 0:05:06.940 you know, I really want a guy that's over six foot. 0:05:07.040 --> 0:05:10.460 I'm like, you're five foot tall. You know, oh, I 0:05:10.460 --> 0:05:12.560 just want to be able to comfortably wear my heels. 0:05:12.620 --> 0:05:17.020 And then you throw that six-foot tall guy is in 0:05:17.060 --> 0:05:22.930 the 0.1 percentile. So everybody wants him. Unless you're, you know, 0:05:22.950 --> 0:05:28.360 I don't know, Giselle, you're probably, you know, you need 0:05:28.690 --> 0:05:31.780 to be in that top percentage to compete. So I 0:05:32.680 --> 0:05:38.020 don't know. Everything on dating apps, too, made people also 0:05:38.180 --> 0:05:42.380 kind of get in this unrealistic place that maybe they 0:05:42.540 --> 0:05:45.960 could have somebody. Because now these guys that they could 0:05:46.000 --> 0:05:48.550 never date or these girls they could never date. are 0:05:48.750 --> 0:05:51.320 in this pool that they think they can get to, 0:05:51.700 --> 0:05:55.230 but they really can't. So what happened is it started 0:05:55.260 --> 0:05:58.030 playing on people's psyches. So the men were getting used. 0:05:59.150 --> 0:06:01.810 Women started getting on dating apps to get free dinners 0:06:01.930 --> 0:06:04.890 and presents and things like that if they even went 0:06:04.950 --> 0:06:08.860 out with a guy. And then these poor women were 0:06:08.880 --> 0:06:12.919 getting ghosted. These women were getting left at restaurants waiting 0:06:12.960 --> 0:06:16.900 on guys. They were getting ghosted online. Sometimes they'd say, hey, 0:06:16.940 --> 0:06:18.860 you want to go out Friday? They'd never show back up. 0:06:19.360 --> 0:06:23.820 I mean, the PTSD, Donna, these women have, and men, 0:06:23.839 --> 0:06:25.960 but women have is crazy. 0:06:26.140 --> 0:06:30.839 Wow. Wow. Okay, so this is an interesting conversation and 0:06:30.900 --> 0:06:34.590 somewhat depressing, I'll say. What would you say to somebody 0:06:34.610 --> 0:06:38.630 that has tried the apps but not had any success 0:06:38.690 --> 0:06:40.950 like you were talking about? Like maybe for a year, 0:06:41.010 --> 0:06:42.790 would you tell them just get off the apps and 0:06:42.810 --> 0:06:43.880 go do something different? 0:06:45.060 --> 0:06:49.640 Absolutely, Donna, because here's the problem with the apps. They're 0:06:49.720 --> 0:06:53.380 causing more damage than good. You know, back in the day, 0:06:53.600 --> 0:06:55.860 people used to find each other on these apps. But 0:06:55.900 --> 0:07:00.320 now the algorithm and everything, and we'll just tell you, 0:07:00.339 --> 0:07:04.490 the quality people, they're not on there anymore. Even if 0:07:04.520 --> 0:07:07.029 they got on for a week, they'll go, oh, no, 0:07:07.050 --> 0:07:10.190 that is not for me. Those people, that situation, not 0:07:10.250 --> 0:07:13.330 for me. So number one, the good ones aren't on there. 0:07:13.550 --> 0:07:15.590 Maybe they were 10 years ago, but they're not on 0:07:15.610 --> 0:07:19.400 there anymore. And number two, if good ones get on there, 0:07:19.440 --> 0:07:21.680 they get off right away. So you're not going to 0:07:21.720 --> 0:07:25.180 find a person that's actually looking for a committed relationship 0:07:25.280 --> 0:07:30.660 on there, really. It's probably that 0.1%. People get on there, 0:07:30.740 --> 0:07:33.480 they find that it's like a smorgasbord, you know, a 0:07:33.550 --> 0:07:37.870 buffet of people. And, you know, they think they can 0:07:37.910 --> 0:07:40.990 do better than they actually can do. And then they 0:07:41.030 --> 0:07:43.910 find out they can't, and then they get depressed. And 0:07:44.450 --> 0:07:48.390 It's just ruining their brains. I watched it. I started 0:07:48.450 --> 0:07:52.610 a matchmaking app, Donna, last year. We launched it, but 0:07:52.750 --> 0:07:58.000 everything was diving at the time. Otherwise, I wouldn't have 0:07:58.270 --> 0:08:00.360 known because I don't deal with daters. I deal with 0:08:00.640 --> 0:08:04.360 single people, but they're a different caliber. So just the 0:08:04.480 --> 0:08:07.460 average person that's out there dating that's dealing with all 0:08:07.500 --> 0:08:10.710 this stuff, I didn't talk to them. And so I 0:08:10.750 --> 0:08:13.370 heard the stories of bad dating app stories, but I 0:08:13.610 --> 0:08:18.150 didn't experience them. When I started seeing the trauma that 0:08:18.190 --> 0:08:21.140 some of these women had, like the anxiety they had 0:08:21.180 --> 0:08:22.600 before a date, he's not going to show up. I'm 0:08:22.620 --> 0:08:24.820 going to spend three hours getting ready and he's not 0:08:24.860 --> 0:08:26.340 going to show up. And I'm like, well, where's this 0:08:26.380 --> 0:08:29.000 coming from? Like you've never gone out on a date 0:08:29.180 --> 0:08:31.690 on my app before. But it's all the years of 0:08:31.730 --> 0:08:34.590 being on these other dating apps and suffering that abuse. 0:08:35.030 --> 0:08:39.610 The anxiety level is just horrible. And so here's what's happening. 0:08:39.690 --> 0:08:42.680 And I know I'm blabbing, but we'll let you talk 0:08:42.740 --> 0:08:45.620 in two seconds because you're going to have so many questions. 0:08:45.640 --> 0:08:49.040 So here's what happened. Everybody got so burned out on 0:08:49.059 --> 0:08:52.880 the dating apps, men and women. Women don't trust men anymore. 0:08:53.059 --> 0:08:55.750 Men don't trust women for different reasons on how everybody's 0:08:55.870 --> 0:08:59.830 dating now. So everybody's choosing to stay alone. And this 0:08:59.910 --> 0:09:02.670 is what they're saying, Donna. I'm happier and more at 0:09:02.710 --> 0:09:05.969 peace by myself. I don't want a relationship. It's too 0:09:05.990 --> 0:09:08.199 much of a hassle and too much drama. 0:09:08.880 --> 0:09:09.920 There you go. 0:09:10.059 --> 0:09:10.780 Have you heard that? 0:09:11.000 --> 0:09:12.420 Yeah, I have. Absolutely. 0:09:12.480 --> 0:09:15.040 I mean, because I hear everything on this show too. 0:09:15.340 --> 0:09:18.750 And I have a ton of friends and many of 0:09:18.760 --> 0:09:21.130 them are single in my age group, 55 and up. 0:09:21.190 --> 0:09:25.530 And I think that they, you know, they've had a 0:09:25.590 --> 0:09:29.030 chance to get divorced and many of them and myself included. 0:09:29.550 --> 0:09:32.990 And then you, you go and live your life and 0:09:33.050 --> 0:09:36.610 have fun being single for a while. And then, you know, 0:09:36.670 --> 0:09:39.089 eventually you feel like, all right, I'm ready to partner 0:09:39.170 --> 0:09:41.610 up a little bit. And then three, four or five 0:09:41.650 --> 0:09:44.830 of your friends have met people on dating apps that 0:09:44.870 --> 0:09:47.239 are doing well. And so you get on a dating 0:09:47.360 --> 0:09:51.340 app and you know, for, for many and, and in, 0:09:51.600 --> 0:09:54.830 in terms of, It's been great research for me for 0:09:54.929 --> 0:09:59.650 this show, too. I didn't know anything about the algorithms 0:09:59.670 --> 0:10:03.140 that you used. talked about earlier that they don't necessarily 0:10:03.200 --> 0:10:04.980 match you with the right people because they want you 0:10:05.000 --> 0:10:06.990 to stay on these dating apps and pay for them 0:10:07.020 --> 0:10:07.760 and things like that. 0:10:08.150 --> 0:10:09.390 That was a surprise thing. 0:10:09.429 --> 0:10:13.689 But I know that I've met very nice people before. 0:10:13.780 --> 0:10:19.040 But I have definitely not met somebody that is a 0:10:19.620 --> 0:10:23.540 true match for me. We're talking with relationship expert and 0:10:23.600 --> 0:10:27.880 matchmaker Jen Stiers. Jen, you are a matchmaker. Who is 0:10:27.900 --> 0:10:31.180 your typical client? Are they women or men? And what age? 0:10:32.320 --> 0:10:38.050 They're both. They're both. It's usually women or men that 0:10:38.070 --> 0:10:42.339 are in their 40s, 50s, or 60s. I am getting 0:10:42.600 --> 0:10:46.130 younger people now. I have started getting people in their 30s. 0:10:47.450 --> 0:10:50.410 Most people in their 20s, I do get asked a 0:10:50.450 --> 0:10:54.310 lot of questions about help me find somebody, but they're 0:10:54.350 --> 0:10:58.110 not in a place, number one, where they are that 0:10:58.170 --> 0:11:00.470 serious about it. Number two, many of them can't afford 0:11:00.490 --> 0:11:04.170 a matchmaker, so it's more like look out for me, right? 0:11:04.510 --> 0:11:08.920 And that's a hard dating age, too. There's a lot 0:11:08.960 --> 0:11:12.040 of men and women are in completely different places in 0:11:12.059 --> 0:11:14.760 that age group right now, and it's very sad. But 0:11:15.370 --> 0:11:17.429 most of them are in their 50s and 60s, and 0:11:18.050 --> 0:11:20.449 they don't want to go on the dating apps. They 0:11:20.470 --> 0:11:22.910 don't want to go through that. They don't have time. 0:11:23.230 --> 0:11:26.020 I hear that people say it's a full-time job and 0:11:26.059 --> 0:11:29.580 that there's nobody good on there. They're looking for quality people, 0:11:29.800 --> 0:11:36.070 and I've said it since I started matchmaking back in 2013. 0:11:36.070 --> 0:11:39.569 The good people aren't on the dating apps. They are 0:11:39.770 --> 0:11:42.969 out there. They're not going to bars. They're not on 0:11:43.010 --> 0:11:48.720 the apps. They're just being discerning, enjoying their life, you know, 0:11:48.880 --> 0:11:53.020 being successful and trying to get set up through friends 0:11:53.240 --> 0:11:55.880 and going out and trying to do things and meet people. 0:11:55.960 --> 0:11:59.980 Some of them are successful doing it. Some of them aren't. So, Uh, 0:12:00.200 --> 0:12:03.300 so that's, that is my typical client and why people 0:12:03.360 --> 0:12:05.500 come to me is they're like, I, I'm a busy 0:12:05.540 --> 0:12:07.620 doctor or a professional and I don't have time. 0:12:07.679 --> 0:12:08.679 No, it is. 0:12:09.440 --> 0:12:09.680 It is. 0:12:09.760 --> 0:12:12.979 You have to put a lot of time and energy 0:12:13.080 --> 0:12:15.100 and I don't have it either, which is probably why 0:12:15.120 --> 0:12:17.840 I'm not successful. But the people that are in my 0:12:17.920 --> 0:12:21.000 life that have met somebody and they're very, very happy. 0:12:21.500 --> 0:12:24.130 They took it as a full-time job on this. They 0:12:24.290 --> 0:12:29.140 really did. And I can see why. it can be discouraging. 0:12:29.320 --> 0:12:32.760 If you really take it seriously, it can be discouraging. Jen, 0:12:32.820 --> 0:12:38.140 where do you find your people to match up? I mean, 0:12:38.760 --> 0:12:40.140 walk me through that process. 0:12:41.360 --> 0:12:45.110 Well, that- Are they clients? They're just clients of yours 0:12:45.190 --> 0:12:45.689 that you. 0:12:46.030 --> 0:12:49.550 They were clients of mine that came to me after 0:12:49.570 --> 0:12:54.350 a divorce or relationship or to get healthy. And so 0:12:55.190 --> 0:12:59.160 I pre-vetted them. Or because I do media stuff and 0:12:59.179 --> 0:13:01.979 I'm out there and I throw some singles parties in 0:13:02.020 --> 0:13:06.780 my town, people that are serious about finding somebody, they 0:13:06.880 --> 0:13:13.300 come to my events. So I'm known here, and I 0:13:13.340 --> 0:13:15.620 do my matchmaking here, so I'm known here. And so 0:13:15.660 --> 0:13:18.440 the people that are serious-minded know where to come when 0:13:18.480 --> 0:13:23.210 they're serious. So that's kind of how that works. You know, 0:13:23.350 --> 0:13:25.530 for somebody like yourself, and it's funny because there's a 0:13:25.650 --> 0:13:29.000 girl that does a country station, a country radio station 0:13:29.059 --> 0:13:32.219 out here like you, and she did the same thing. 0:13:32.240 --> 0:13:34.140 She got on the dating app to kind of experiment 0:13:34.160 --> 0:13:36.319 and talk about everything on the show just kind of 0:13:36.360 --> 0:13:42.250 for fun. And it was just such a mess. And 0:13:42.309 --> 0:13:44.970 she had some really good stories, but it was like, oh, 0:13:44.990 --> 0:13:49.189 my God. But I always tell people, The best way 0:13:49.210 --> 0:13:52.109 to meet somebody is not on an app because people 0:13:52.170 --> 0:13:54.829 can do or say anything behind a screen. Most of 0:13:54.850 --> 0:13:58.569 the pictures aren't real, and everybody has 1,000 options. So 0:13:58.610 --> 0:14:02.400 unless you're in the upper 2%, and even if you are, 0:14:02.720 --> 0:14:05.660 guess what? The people you're choosing also have a million 0:14:05.760 --> 0:14:08.559 options as well, and they're exercising them because they can. 0:14:08.980 --> 0:14:12.530 And that includes women, by the way. It's not just 0:14:12.630 --> 0:14:16.589 men are the players anymore. I think women are more 0:14:16.670 --> 0:14:19.350 players than men are these days. We can get into 0:14:19.390 --> 0:14:22.970 that in a second. But go out, go to a 0:14:23.030 --> 0:14:25.910 decent restaurant. Men don't like to cook for themselves. So 0:14:25.930 --> 0:14:28.600 the single guys, they get off work at 5 o'clock 0:14:28.980 --> 0:14:32.460 or 5.30, and they're going to their best steakhouse or 0:14:32.500 --> 0:14:36.140 their Pizza Joy or wherever their local place is, and 0:14:36.160 --> 0:14:38.700 they're having dinner at the bar. And I always say 0:14:38.840 --> 0:14:40.960 I know so many women that go to these places 0:14:40.980 --> 0:14:42.120 and meet people at the bar. 0:14:42.560 --> 0:14:44.250 You know, I will say this. 0:14:45.370 --> 0:14:49.310 The most fun dates that I've been out on meeting 0:14:49.370 --> 0:14:51.930 people have been like going to get a coffee or 0:14:51.970 --> 0:14:54.229 a tea in the morning. Those have actually been the 0:14:54.290 --> 0:14:54.670 most fun. 0:14:54.690 --> 0:14:55.050 Yeah. 0:14:55.290 --> 0:14:57.270 Jen, I'm going to have you stay for one more 0:14:57.330 --> 0:14:59.790 because I do want to talk more about this. And 0:14:59.830 --> 0:15:01.950 then we're going to throw it to the listeners on 0:15:02.030 --> 0:15:04.790 whether or not they've had any luck on these dating apps. 0:15:05.300 --> 0:15:08.760 Where have they met somebody that they have been lucky 0:15:08.800 --> 0:15:12.840 in love with? So take in your calls. We're going 0:15:12.860 --> 0:15:15.970 to be back with Jen Stiers. She is a relationship 0:15:16.090 --> 0:15:19.750 expert and matchmaker. She's been doing it. She knows her stuff. 0:15:19.810 --> 0:15:24.090 You can hear it. So we're going to talk to her. 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Oh, I love this song, 52 Degrees. 0:16:01.740 --> 0:16:04.570 Of course, Pat Benatar. 0:16:04.800 --> 0:16:08.770 I've been playing with fire. 0:16:09.690 --> 0:16:12.390 You forget I've seen you work before. 0:16:12.750 --> 0:16:15.760 Take them straight to the top and leave them crying 0:16:15.820 --> 0:16:16.580 for more. 0:16:25.300 --> 0:16:25.860 I'm falling out. 0:16:51.190 --> 0:16:53.500 He said, you know one of those successful people on 0:16:53.560 --> 0:16:55.560 dating apps? I'm one of them. 0:16:55.580 --> 0:16:56.690 Wow. 0:16:57.860 --> 0:16:59.980 And I said, you're going to have to get in 0:17:00.200 --> 0:17:02.460 on this conversation. Drew, are you here? 0:17:02.540 --> 0:17:02.820 I'm here. 0:17:02.980 --> 0:17:03.460 Okay, good. 0:17:03.600 --> 0:17:04.800 Tell us what happened. 0:17:04.920 --> 0:17:07.500 So I used Hinge. 0:17:08.440 --> 0:17:11.359 I messed around on some of the other ones, but 0:17:11.380 --> 0:17:14.350 didn't have a whole lot of success. But I got 0:17:14.420 --> 0:17:18.149 on Hinge for about four or five months. And then 0:17:18.170 --> 0:17:20.550 I got off of it again for about another three. 0:17:21.010 --> 0:17:23.369 And then I got on it again for about another four. 0:17:23.490 --> 0:17:23.970 And then in.... 0:17:25.690 --> 0:17:29.550 January of 2024, I met my now girlfriend, and we 0:17:29.770 --> 0:17:33.510 are still together today. We have been together coming up 0:17:33.570 --> 0:17:34.580 on two and a half years now. 0:17:34.820 --> 0:17:37.240 Wow. Jen, your thoughts on that? 0:17:37.260 --> 0:17:41.720 That's awesome. You know what? Well, first of all, it's Hinge, 0:17:41.880 --> 0:17:42.800 so I love that. 0:17:43.000 --> 0:17:43.220 Mm-hmm. 0:17:44.440 --> 0:17:46.380 I think we were talking about that. I think that's 0:17:46.420 --> 0:17:49.070 probably the best one out there if you're going to 0:17:49.090 --> 0:17:52.669 get on one. But, you know, I'm curious. Did you 0:17:52.710 --> 0:17:55.070 date a lot? Did you go on a lot of dates? 0:17:55.130 --> 0:17:57.470 Or did you just find that maybe there was a few? 0:17:57.650 --> 0:17:59.750 I went on a few. I'd say I probably went 0:17:59.990 --> 0:18:03.510 on four or five. Yeah. 0:18:04.410 --> 0:18:08.450 I made conversation with several people, but I was pretty 0:18:08.790 --> 0:18:11.889 selective on dates. If I wanted to actually go on 0:18:11.930 --> 0:18:13.770 a date with some, so I probably went on four 0:18:13.790 --> 0:18:18.500 or five, probably went on about three second dates, including 0:18:18.540 --> 0:18:22.960 my now girlfriend. And from there, you know, our first 0:18:23.000 --> 0:18:26.020 date was just a simple dinner date and it started 0:18:26.060 --> 0:18:29.160 at seven. And before we knew it, it was 1045. 0:18:29.160 --> 0:18:31.889 We both had to work the next day. And as 0:18:31.930 --> 0:18:33.310 they say, the rest was history. 0:18:33.790 --> 0:18:36.909 Jen, let me ask you this, because Drew talked about, 0:18:37.010 --> 0:18:39.390 and you mentioned this earlier, he was on it for 0:18:39.430 --> 0:18:42.070 four months, then he got off it, and then he 0:18:42.109 --> 0:18:46.129 got back on it again. Is it maybe the algorithm 0:18:46.190 --> 0:18:49.310 didn't quite, he didn't have to kick it, it kicked 0:18:49.450 --> 0:18:53.629 in when he was on it for four months and 0:18:53.650 --> 0:18:55.560 he got sick of it and got off, and then 0:18:55.840 --> 0:18:58.400 maybe they tried to give him a fresh batch? 0:18:58.810 --> 0:19:01.190 I mean, how does that work? We talked about that earlier. 0:19:01.210 --> 0:19:04.340 Well, I think you asked Drew that. Like, why'd you 0:19:04.359 --> 0:19:05.780 get off and why'd you get back on? 0:19:06.100 --> 0:19:09.300 Well, I think I just kind of wasn't having a 0:19:09.320 --> 0:19:12.540 whole lot of success on the first go-around. I also 0:19:12.640 --> 0:19:17.359 wasn't fully... integrating myself into it. I wasn't on it 0:19:17.390 --> 0:19:19.919 every day. I wasn't, you know, kind of going out 0:19:19.940 --> 0:19:21.879 of my way to try and find something. It was 0:19:21.920 --> 0:19:24.480 more of a, if it happens, great sort of deal. 0:19:25.600 --> 0:19:27.440 So then I took a bit of a break and, 0:19:27.460 --> 0:19:30.030 you know, just kind of focused on myself and figured, 0:19:30.480 --> 0:19:32.250 you know, what the heck, if I run into somebody 0:19:32.290 --> 0:19:33.010 in a bar, great. 0:19:33.150 --> 0:19:35.210 If not, we'll pick this up down the road. 0:19:35.250 --> 0:19:38.210 And then eventually down the road came and I said, okay, 0:19:38.270 --> 0:19:41.400 I'm going to take this a little more seriously now 0:19:42.000 --> 0:19:44.710 and began having more conversations, went on a few of 0:19:44.750 --> 0:19:46.970 those dates and then, you know, just happened to be 0:19:47.030 --> 0:19:47.750 one of the lucky ones. 0:19:48.680 --> 0:19:49.940 Do you, how old are you? 0:19:49.960 --> 0:19:50.380 Do you mind? 0:19:50.660 --> 0:19:52.780 No, I'm a, I turned 31 in June. 0:19:52.859 --> 0:19:57.460 He's young and he's a young in, um, yeah. Drew, 0:19:57.540 --> 0:19:58.200 one more question. 0:19:58.260 --> 0:20:02.050 And I love this story and I, I do have several, 0:20:02.220 --> 0:20:05.650 including my twin sister and my nephew who is now 0:20:05.710 --> 0:20:08.869 married from a girl he met on, on, uh, you know, um, 0:20:09.940 --> 0:20:11.560 dating app, and I don't even know which one. I 0:20:12.020 --> 0:20:16.780 know my sister met hers on Bumble. But is this 0:20:16.880 --> 0:20:17.620 a serious thing? 0:20:17.680 --> 0:20:20.420 Are you happy? Or is there marriage? Do you feel like? 0:20:20.460 --> 0:20:20.720 Yes. 0:20:20.859 --> 0:20:25.439 Oh, it's 100% serious. We live together. We've lived together 0:20:25.480 --> 0:20:31.000 now for... over a year. You know, marriage is down 0:20:31.020 --> 0:20:34.330 the line. Hopefully she's not listening currently. 0:20:34.369 --> 0:20:37.710 I have a feeling she is. 0:20:37.730 --> 0:20:41.790 She might be. But yeah, it's coming down the road eventually. 0:20:41.930 --> 0:20:47.730 And it's worked out tremendously great. And And my cousin 0:20:47.810 --> 0:20:50.250 actually met her now husband and they have two kids 0:20:50.270 --> 0:20:53.040 together on Hinge as well. So that also was a 0:20:53.080 --> 0:20:56.760 bit of evidence that it could work for me. So 0:20:56.800 --> 0:20:59.320 I think that kind of helped as well with, you know, 0:20:59.359 --> 0:21:01.790 just kind of getting back into it and taking it 0:21:01.850 --> 0:21:04.600 more seriously. So I think that was also part of 0:21:04.640 --> 0:21:07.440 it as well. But yeah, like I said, I know 0:21:07.460 --> 0:21:09.619 it doesn't work for everybody, but I am one of 0:21:09.660 --> 0:21:11.419 the people who it did work out for, and I'm 0:21:11.460 --> 0:21:12.219 very happy for that. 0:21:12.260 --> 0:21:14.960 Yeah, I am happy for you too. Okay, we're going 0:21:14.980 --> 0:21:16.370 to take some calls right now. 0:21:16.550 --> 0:21:18.330 What's the hardest part about dating? 0:21:18.510 --> 0:21:21.970 Are you still using dating apps? Have you had any 0:21:22.050 --> 0:21:24.850 luck like Drew and some of the other people we 0:21:24.890 --> 0:21:25.590 mentioned tonight, 513-749-7000? 0:21:25.650 --> 0:21:26.909 Even if you have a question for Jen Sires on 0:21:26.930 --> 0:21:27.350 maybe how. 0:21:31.550 --> 0:21:35.050 you can meet somebody in the real world. She mentioned 0:21:35.070 --> 0:21:37.670 a couple of things, which Jen, I want to touch 0:21:37.750 --> 0:21:41.670 on too, because I loved how you just mentioned, and Drew, 0:21:41.710 --> 0:21:43.780 thank you so much, and feel free to weigh in 0:21:44.170 --> 0:21:46.020