1 00:00:01,120 --> 00:00:06,080 Speaker 1: This is Tony Pike Cincy three sixty about Cincinnati. 2 00:00:06,360 --> 00:00:07,480 Speaker 2: From Cincinnati. 3 00:00:07,680 --> 00:00:15,760 Speaker 3: This is ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati Sports Station. All right, 4 00:00:15,760 --> 00:00:18,800 Speaker 3: here we go our number two, since he three to sixty, 5 00:00:19,079 --> 00:00:22,560 Speaker 3: ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati Sports Station. Let's get it started 6 00:00:23,200 --> 00:00:26,560 Speaker 3: with our guy from Fox nineteen. A ton of stuff 7 00:00:26,600 --> 00:00:28,240 Speaker 3: going on at Fox nineteen. We'll get to that with 8 00:00:28,360 --> 00:00:30,800 Speaker 3: Joe danim and he joins us right now, Joey D what's. 9 00:00:30,680 --> 00:00:37,720 Speaker 1: Up forty years old? 10 00:00:37,920 --> 00:00:40,519 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a tough one today, Joe emphasis on. 11 00:00:40,600 --> 00:00:42,080 Speaker 1: All it's not a tough one. 12 00:00:42,560 --> 00:00:43,559 Speaker 3: Forty is a tough one. 13 00:00:43,640 --> 00:00:49,120 Speaker 1: The great number forty is a tough oneeven. 14 00:00:47,640 --> 00:00:50,760 Speaker 3: Okay, oh wow, I'll take that. I'll take that. 15 00:00:51,040 --> 00:00:52,479 Speaker 1: How are you celebrating tonight? 16 00:00:52,800 --> 00:00:57,600 Speaker 3: Well, the wife text me yesterday and she said, I 17 00:00:57,600 --> 00:00:59,640 Speaker 3: thought it'd be fun. We can go play nine holes 18 00:00:59,680 --> 00:00:59,960 Speaker 3: of golf. 19 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:00,160 Speaker 1: Off. 20 00:01:00,200 --> 00:01:03,760 Speaker 3: I got a babysitter, so she she's got nine holes playing. 21 00:01:03,840 --> 00:01:06,760 Speaker 3: But she originally planned it for four point thirty, and 22 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:09,360 Speaker 3: I said, look, I appreciate this. We've got to get 23 00:01:09,360 --> 00:01:11,640 Speaker 3: it till after five because the Bearcats play at three, 24 00:01:11,760 --> 00:01:13,920 Speaker 3: so we're gonna watch the Bearcats, then we're gonna go 25 00:01:13,959 --> 00:01:15,040 Speaker 3: play nine holes of golf. 26 00:01:15,040 --> 00:01:17,240 Speaker 2: Wouldn't it be better to not watch them and just 27 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:17,839 Speaker 2: play golf. 28 00:01:17,959 --> 00:01:20,480 Speaker 3: That's a fair argument. That is a fair argument. 29 00:01:20,880 --> 00:01:23,200 Speaker 1: Bearcats will win today. They'll win today, and you'll enjoy 30 00:01:23,240 --> 00:01:23,680 Speaker 1: your golf. 31 00:01:23,840 --> 00:01:28,080 Speaker 3: Yes, yes, there is a ton going on from what 32 00:01:28,120 --> 00:01:30,200 Speaker 3: the Bengals did yesterday, which we'll get to in just 33 00:01:30,240 --> 00:01:33,360 Speaker 3: a minute, Joe. But what we learned earlier today, the 34 00:01:33,440 --> 00:01:37,920 Speaker 3: developments and the updates around Hunter Green. He's gonna get 35 00:01:37,920 --> 00:01:43,400 Speaker 3: the elbow scope tomorrow fourteen to sixteen weeks. And I thought, 36 00:01:43,440 --> 00:01:48,360 Speaker 3: in reading our good friend Charlie Goldsmith on Substack with 37 00:01:48,440 --> 00:01:52,080 Speaker 3: Charlie's chalkboard, Austin and I talked about it earlier. Terry 38 00:01:52,080 --> 00:01:54,720 Speaker 3: Francona alluded to the fact that Hunter never really told 39 00:01:54,800 --> 00:01:59,680 Speaker 3: him any of this information directly. Let's start with there, 40 00:02:00,320 --> 00:02:02,400 Speaker 3: let's start with the chain of command. Do you find 41 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:05,880 Speaker 3: that odd at all of hearing what Terry Francona had 42 00:02:05,920 --> 00:02:09,200 Speaker 3: to say talking about Hunter Green going back to last year. 43 00:02:10,320 --> 00:02:13,360 Speaker 1: Sure, I do. I do find it odd, especially considering 44 00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:16,560 Speaker 1: at one point the Reds made decisions not to move 45 00:02:16,600 --> 00:02:18,440 Speaker 1: up a Hunter Green start at the end of the 46 00:02:18,480 --> 00:02:20,520 Speaker 1: season to get him more stars to get the team 47 00:02:20,960 --> 00:02:23,680 Speaker 1: into the playoffs, so it certainly was talked about amongst 48 00:02:23,680 --> 00:02:26,679 Speaker 1: the coaching staff. Now, in that quote, if you read 49 00:02:26,720 --> 00:02:29,480 Speaker 1: between the lines, it sounds as if Hunter Green was 50 00:02:29,480 --> 00:02:33,040 Speaker 1: communicating with Derek Johnson about what was going on the 51 00:02:33,040 --> 00:02:36,160 Speaker 1: pitching coach, and that was I would guess, being relayed 52 00:02:36,200 --> 00:02:40,760 Speaker 1: to Terry Francona. But if a situation were to present 53 00:02:40,840 --> 00:02:43,920 Speaker 1: itself where your star pitcher has an elbow issue and 54 00:02:43,960 --> 00:02:46,040 Speaker 1: he's feeling it, you would think the chain of command 55 00:02:46,120 --> 00:02:49,519 Speaker 1: would be a conversation with the manager. It doesn't seem 56 00:02:49,560 --> 00:02:51,560 Speaker 1: like that happened, and I find that to be a 57 00:02:51,600 --> 00:02:57,520 Speaker 1: bit odd, considering his importance in considering the ramifications of 58 00:02:57,560 --> 00:02:59,880 Speaker 1: an injury like that. The other piece of it, too, 59 00:03:00,200 --> 00:03:03,000 Speaker 1: is is why wasn't this taken care of earlier? But 60 00:03:03,040 --> 00:03:06,480 Speaker 1: I think we all understand that major League baseball players 61 00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:08,600 Speaker 1: don't want to have surgery if they don't have to 62 00:03:08,639 --> 00:03:11,000 Speaker 1: have it, and I think they thought the injection would 63 00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:14,520 Speaker 1: help and maybe take care of it. It obviously hasn't, and 64 00:03:14,600 --> 00:03:17,120 Speaker 1: here we are, And when this news came out, I 65 00:03:17,160 --> 00:03:20,520 Speaker 1: believe a week ago, the understanding was that Hunter wasn't 66 00:03:20,520 --> 00:03:22,200 Speaker 1: going to be around for the start of the season. 67 00:03:22,360 --> 00:03:24,760 Speaker 1: I thought maybe miss a month, maybe miss six weeks. 68 00:03:24,760 --> 00:03:27,720 Speaker 1: This is pretty significant, and you're talking about an early 69 00:03:27,840 --> 00:03:31,919 Speaker 1: July return. We all know that the All Star break 70 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:33,840 Speaker 1: is in mid July, so you wonder if it gets 71 00:03:33,919 --> 00:03:35,920 Speaker 1: pushed back to even then if it's on the back 72 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:39,200 Speaker 1: end of the sixteen weeks. So it's disappointing. You can't 73 00:03:39,280 --> 00:03:41,560 Speaker 1: replace a guy like Hunter Green, even though you have 74 00:03:41,640 --> 00:03:44,400 Speaker 1: Rhet Lauder and Brandon Williamson and Jase Burns for death 75 00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:47,840 Speaker 1: from the starting rotation, Hunter Green is supposed to be 76 00:03:47,880 --> 00:03:50,160 Speaker 1: the guy that takes the ball in Opening Day and 77 00:03:50,280 --> 00:03:52,520 Speaker 1: takes the ball in Game one of the playoffs. Now 78 00:03:52,520 --> 00:03:54,480 Speaker 1: one of those is off the table. The question is 79 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:57,600 Speaker 1: are the Reds built and equipped to get him to 80 00:03:57,600 --> 00:03:59,960 Speaker 1: the playoffs and give him a chance to start Game one. 81 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:02,960 Speaker 1: I do believe they are. But you can't replace a 82 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:05,240 Speaker 1: guy like Hunter Green what he brings as for at production. 83 00:04:05,760 --> 00:04:08,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just it's a tough way to start a 84 00:04:08,360 --> 00:04:11,200 Speaker 3: year for a team that it's not like there's a 85 00:04:11,320 --> 00:04:14,720 Speaker 3: huge margin for air for this team going into the year. 86 00:04:14,720 --> 00:04:16,920 Speaker 3: And you kind of alluded to the names that will 87 00:04:16,920 --> 00:04:19,240 Speaker 3: now be drawn upon to try to fill those starts 88 00:04:19,680 --> 00:04:22,520 Speaker 3: for Hunter Green. So disappointing news on the front of 89 00:04:22,680 --> 00:04:25,600 Speaker 3: the Cincinnati Reds. But I think all in all, Joe 90 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:29,400 Speaker 3: a very positive day for the Cincinnati Bengals yesterday and 91 00:04:29,720 --> 00:04:31,840 Speaker 3: what they were able to do and who they addressed 92 00:04:31,839 --> 00:04:35,720 Speaker 3: their needs with. What was your overall takeaway? What was 93 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:37,640 Speaker 3: your overall grade you would have given the Bengals for 94 00:04:37,720 --> 00:04:39,599 Speaker 3: what they did yesterday and adding two players. 95 00:04:40,720 --> 00:04:42,760 Speaker 1: I thought yesterday was a great day because it's set 96 00:04:42,760 --> 00:04:46,599 Speaker 1: a tone. This team had deficiencies and boxes that need 97 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:49,200 Speaker 1: to check, and I think they went out and targeted 98 00:04:49,200 --> 00:04:52,240 Speaker 1: two positions and two players that could check those boxes 99 00:04:52,640 --> 00:04:55,080 Speaker 1: and immediately upgrade their defense. I think if you look 100 00:04:55,120 --> 00:04:59,520 Speaker 1: where the Bengals were yesterday, they are significantly better on 101 00:04:59,640 --> 00:05:02,280 Speaker 1: defense today than they were yesterday, and that means they're 102 00:05:02,560 --> 00:05:05,200 Speaker 1: a better football team today than they were yesterday. If 103 00:05:05,200 --> 00:05:06,880 Speaker 1: you put a grade on it, I would probably put 104 00:05:06,880 --> 00:05:10,000 Speaker 1: it at in a minus just because they didn't land 105 00:05:10,480 --> 00:05:12,760 Speaker 1: a home run when they could have gotten Devin Lloyd. 106 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:14,520 Speaker 1: If they would have gotten him, you're looking at an 107 00:05:14,520 --> 00:05:17,719 Speaker 1: AA plus for a first day a free agency. But 108 00:05:17,839 --> 00:05:20,279 Speaker 1: when you start the offseason saying, Okay, what do we 109 00:05:20,360 --> 00:05:22,080 Speaker 1: have to be better at? If you're in the Bengals 110 00:05:22,120 --> 00:05:25,479 Speaker 1: front office. We've got to be better at disrupting and 111 00:05:25,520 --> 00:05:29,040 Speaker 1: affecting the quarterback. They've done that. They've gotten better there. 112 00:05:29,279 --> 00:05:33,080 Speaker 1: Boy A Motte immediately becomes this team's best pass rusher. Okay, 113 00:05:33,080 --> 00:05:35,760 Speaker 1: we got to be better tacklers, and we have to 114 00:05:35,880 --> 00:05:39,599 Speaker 1: upgrade the safety position. They're immediately checked both of those 115 00:05:39,640 --> 00:05:44,920 Speaker 1: bosses by bringing in Brian Cook now Kobe Bryant press conference. 116 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:48,960 Speaker 1: Job's not finished, the job finished. Job's not finished. They 117 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:52,840 Speaker 1: still have more work to do. But for day one, 118 00:05:52,960 --> 00:05:56,000 Speaker 1: where it felt like some people were starting to panic 119 00:05:56,040 --> 00:05:57,960 Speaker 1: a little bit about the idea that a lot of 120 00:05:58,000 --> 00:06:02,440 Speaker 1: these guys were going off the board, you guys kill, 121 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:06,960 Speaker 1: the Bengals set the tone that they understand the assignment, 122 00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:11,320 Speaker 1: they understand the urgency. We all inferred that from everything 123 00:06:11,400 --> 00:06:14,320 Speaker 1: that Duke Tobin said leading up to the start of 124 00:06:14,360 --> 00:06:16,920 Speaker 1: free agency, that the Bengals got it. They were going 125 00:06:16,960 --> 00:06:19,840 Speaker 1: to go for it. They understood they had to fix 126 00:06:19,920 --> 00:06:24,480 Speaker 1: the defense through free agency. Yesterday was a great first 127 00:06:24,560 --> 00:06:27,479 Speaker 1: step if they could add one or two more starters. 128 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:30,560 Speaker 1: I said before the week started, I think the Bengals 129 00:06:30,600 --> 00:06:34,159 Speaker 1: have to find four new starters in free agency and 130 00:06:34,320 --> 00:06:37,760 Speaker 1: a draft they've got two. I expect two more to 131 00:06:37,800 --> 00:06:40,520 Speaker 1: come from either free agency or the draft to help 132 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:44,240 Speaker 1: this defense take a massive steps twenty seven. 133 00:06:44,279 --> 00:06:45,679 Speaker 3: That's where I was going to go with that, because 134 00:06:45,680 --> 00:06:47,720 Speaker 3: if you if you start the off season, you've got 135 00:06:47,720 --> 00:06:50,200 Speaker 3: a to do list. Dalton Reisner was on that list, 136 00:06:50,880 --> 00:06:54,479 Speaker 3: moving on from Trey Hendrickson was on that list. Attacking 137 00:06:54,520 --> 00:06:57,719 Speaker 3: this free agency period was on the list. So for you, 138 00:06:57,880 --> 00:07:01,119 Speaker 3: with those three things already checked, when you start looking 139 00:07:01,160 --> 00:07:06,240 Speaker 3: to today and on what's next? What position are you highlighting? 140 00:07:06,320 --> 00:07:09,200 Speaker 3: Is there a player out there or players that you've highlighted? 141 00:07:09,279 --> 00:07:11,120 Speaker 3: Is okay? This would make a lot of sense for 142 00:07:11,160 --> 00:07:12,280 Speaker 3: the Bengals to get done. 143 00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:16,280 Speaker 1: I think it's Leo Chanell from Kansas City, the linebacker, 144 00:07:16,360 --> 00:07:20,560 Speaker 1: a big linebacker, six three, two point fifty. He's bigger 145 00:07:20,560 --> 00:07:24,880 Speaker 1: than Demetrious Knight. He's significantly bigger than Barret Carter. He's 146 00:07:24,920 --> 00:07:27,120 Speaker 1: got juice in the run game, he's got juice in 147 00:07:27,160 --> 00:07:30,520 Speaker 1: the pressure game. For him to come from Kansas City 148 00:07:30,600 --> 00:07:33,040 Speaker 1: to Cincinnati again with the I don't want to use 149 00:07:33,080 --> 00:07:36,840 Speaker 1: the word pedigree again, Austin, but they added dice yesterday 150 00:07:36,880 --> 00:07:40,320 Speaker 1: that won Super Bowls and that matters, and you can 151 00:07:40,480 --> 00:07:43,160 Speaker 1: throw cold water on that all you want, But when 152 00:07:43,240 --> 00:07:46,600 Speaker 1: Boye Mafe and Brian Cook walk into that room with 153 00:07:46,680 --> 00:07:49,960 Speaker 1: Super Bowl rings and you get guys who have won 154 00:07:50,080 --> 00:07:52,800 Speaker 1: and won at high levels, and you see what Leoschanell 155 00:07:52,880 --> 00:07:56,320 Speaker 1: has done, the big plays he's made, the clutch plays 156 00:07:56,360 --> 00:08:00,360 Speaker 1: he's made, I can pick out him as one, But 157 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:03,480 Speaker 1: I think the linebacker situation, to me is still the 158 00:08:03,520 --> 00:08:06,600 Speaker 1: one that I have circled underline and star that has 159 00:08:06,680 --> 00:08:10,360 Speaker 1: to be fixed in free agency defensive tackle. I think 160 00:08:10,440 --> 00:08:13,440 Speaker 1: they might have a better shot of taking a swing 161 00:08:13,600 --> 00:08:16,560 Speaker 1: on that in the draft, just because it's somewhat of 162 00:08:16,600 --> 00:08:19,960 Speaker 1: a weak defensive tackle free agency class. But there are 163 00:08:20,080 --> 00:08:23,400 Speaker 1: guys Leoschanell, Kaden Ellis, even though he's a little bit 164 00:08:23,400 --> 00:08:26,080 Speaker 1: advanced an age at thirty one years old, he's got 165 00:08:26,080 --> 00:08:28,560 Speaker 1: some juice in the cover game. So there are different 166 00:08:28,600 --> 00:08:31,040 Speaker 1: guys that think the Bengals can target. They didn't get 167 00:08:31,200 --> 00:08:33,960 Speaker 1: Devin Lloyd, who I thought would be the guy that 168 00:08:34,040 --> 00:08:36,360 Speaker 1: would be the difference maker and the home run of 169 00:08:36,480 --> 00:08:40,000 Speaker 1: a trifecta on Day one of three players didn't get him. 170 00:08:40,480 --> 00:08:43,280 Speaker 1: Leo Chanell, a guy that when he was drafted by 171 00:08:43,360 --> 00:08:48,200 Speaker 1: Kansas City, said he's addicted to tackling and hitting people. 172 00:08:48,520 --> 00:08:52,280 Speaker 1: He loves violence and physicality. If you add that to 173 00:08:52,320 --> 00:08:55,560 Speaker 1: this defense, you add a guy like Boye Maffe who 174 00:08:55,559 --> 00:08:57,920 Speaker 1: plays with his hair on fire, another guy that just 175 00:08:58,120 --> 00:09:00,440 Speaker 1: loves to hit and plays with a bit of a 176 00:09:00,520 --> 00:09:03,319 Speaker 1: crazy streak, now you start to cook a little bit. 177 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:07,320 Speaker 1: But linebacker certainly is someone I'm looking for the Bengals 178 00:09:07,320 --> 00:09:10,960 Speaker 1: to address in free agency and not necessarily the drafts, 179 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:13,440 Speaker 1: because I just don't think a guy like Sonny Styles 180 00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:15,240 Speaker 1: or RG Reach will be there at number ten. 181 00:09:15,840 --> 00:09:18,000 Speaker 3: Speaking of who could be there at number ten, Austin 182 00:09:18,040 --> 00:09:20,000 Speaker 3: and I just had this discussion, and I'll ask you 183 00:09:20,040 --> 00:09:22,320 Speaker 3: they went and got Brian Cook yesterday. We've heard a 184 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:25,079 Speaker 3: lot and we've talked a lot about Caleb Downs leading 185 00:09:25,160 --> 00:09:28,679 Speaker 3: up to the draft process. Does what they did yesterday 186 00:09:28,840 --> 00:09:31,080 Speaker 3: change your thought at all? If Caleb Downs is there 187 00:09:31,080 --> 00:09:31,680 Speaker 3: at number ten? 188 00:09:32,960 --> 00:09:35,800 Speaker 1: It doesn't, because I think what you wanted to do 189 00:09:36,040 --> 00:09:39,960 Speaker 1: in free agency was give yourself flexibility in the draft, 190 00:09:40,040 --> 00:09:42,840 Speaker 1: not to be drafting for a position, but to be 191 00:09:42,920 --> 00:09:45,520 Speaker 1: drafting for the best player. And you know, best player 192 00:09:45,559 --> 00:09:48,280 Speaker 1: comes with a bit of nuance, right, that's the best 193 00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:51,400 Speaker 1: players at quarterback. You're obviously not taking a quarterback, but 194 00:09:51,559 --> 00:09:55,839 Speaker 1: just about every other position this football team needs help at, 195 00:09:55,840 --> 00:09:59,040 Speaker 1: needs death, or needs difference makers. And if you're able 196 00:09:59,080 --> 00:10:03,000 Speaker 1: to address all of this in free agency and Caleb 197 00:10:03,040 --> 00:10:06,680 Speaker 1: Downs is the best player on the board, absolutely take 198 00:10:06,760 --> 00:10:10,760 Speaker 1: Caleb Downs. Because what's the death look right now in 199 00:10:10,840 --> 00:10:15,000 Speaker 1: the safety room. Tyson Anderson's not for sure coming back 200 00:10:15,040 --> 00:10:18,559 Speaker 1: to Cincinnati. You have three safeties on the roster now 201 00:10:18,559 --> 00:10:22,560 Speaker 1: with Brian Cook, Dejon Anthony and Jordan Battle. You need 202 00:10:22,679 --> 00:10:25,600 Speaker 1: death and you need good football players, and if Caleb 203 00:10:25,679 --> 00:10:27,920 Speaker 1: Downs is the best player there, then go for it. 204 00:10:28,200 --> 00:10:31,400 Speaker 1: I just think it's important to go into draft night 205 00:10:31,480 --> 00:10:36,200 Speaker 1: with through flexibility to draft good players, not necessarily draft 206 00:10:36,240 --> 00:10:39,000 Speaker 1: to a position. Or the Bengals have done a good 207 00:10:39,080 --> 00:10:42,000 Speaker 1: job on Day one addressing some of those needs, they 208 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:45,480 Speaker 1: still need to do more when they to get themselves 209 00:10:45,520 --> 00:10:48,360 Speaker 1: set up for the draft, because quite honestly, you could 210 00:10:48,400 --> 00:10:51,520 Speaker 1: even look at offensive tackle at number ten if they 211 00:10:51,520 --> 00:10:53,400 Speaker 1: do the kind of work they have to do here 212 00:10:53,800 --> 00:10:56,959 Speaker 1: in free agency. Orlando Brown's becoming somewhat of a question 213 00:10:57,040 --> 00:11:00,079 Speaker 1: mark if he gets older in his career, So I 214 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:02,080 Speaker 1: think it's important for this team to have that kind 215 00:11:02,080 --> 00:11:04,680 Speaker 1: of flexibility on draft night, and they can do that 216 00:11:04,760 --> 00:11:06,160 Speaker 1: by getting the work done. 217 00:11:05,920 --> 00:11:07,800 Speaker 3: This week in free such I was going to say, 218 00:11:07,640 --> 00:11:10,400 Speaker 3: so you could see a path that they get their 219 00:11:10,440 --> 00:11:14,160 Speaker 3: work done enough that you could entertain the offensive side 220 00:11:14,160 --> 00:11:16,400 Speaker 3: of the ball at some capacity at pick number ten. 221 00:11:17,960 --> 00:11:20,359 Speaker 1: I don't know if I would go full James Rapine 222 00:11:20,440 --> 00:11:23,959 Speaker 1: and know what Jeremiah Loved Now. I think Jeremiah Love, 223 00:11:24,080 --> 00:11:28,160 Speaker 1: quite honestly, might be the best college football player from 224 00:11:28,240 --> 00:11:32,240 Speaker 1: last season, might be the best football player in the draft. 225 00:11:32,360 --> 00:11:36,160 Speaker 1: But that feels like, again the nuance, It feels like 226 00:11:36,320 --> 00:11:40,839 Speaker 1: too much of a luxury for this team, considering some depth. 227 00:11:40,960 --> 00:11:44,400 Speaker 1: They need, some difference makers, they needed too many positions 228 00:11:44,440 --> 00:11:47,320 Speaker 1: all over the field. It would be exciting. He's a 229 00:11:47,360 --> 00:11:51,280 Speaker 1: tremendous player, and you know, Chase Brown isn't guaranteed anything 230 00:11:51,400 --> 00:11:54,240 Speaker 1: right now pass his rookie contracts, So if they were 231 00:11:54,280 --> 00:11:56,280 Speaker 1: to pick someone like Jeremiah Love, it'd be a lot 232 00:11:56,280 --> 00:11:58,040 Speaker 1: of fun. It would be really cool, and we'd make 233 00:11:58,120 --> 00:12:00,960 Speaker 1: my job certainly a lot of fun covering this team 234 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:02,800 Speaker 1: in rookie camp and mini camp and all the way 235 00:12:02,840 --> 00:12:05,000 Speaker 1: up to training camp. But I think there has to 236 00:12:05,040 --> 00:12:07,679 Speaker 1: be some nuance that comes with it. But yeah, offensive 237 00:12:07,679 --> 00:12:11,720 Speaker 1: side sure, if you give yourself enough flexibility by getting 238 00:12:11,720 --> 00:12:14,520 Speaker 1: your work done in free agency, I can definitely see 239 00:12:14,600 --> 00:12:18,240 Speaker 1: them looking at offensive tackle, But outside at the top one, 240 00:12:18,640 --> 00:12:21,480 Speaker 1: I'm not sure anybody else there might be worth looking 241 00:12:21,520 --> 00:12:25,280 Speaker 1: at the big board consensus for draft picks. So as 242 00:12:25,280 --> 00:12:27,920 Speaker 1: we sit here today, I still think it's probably ninety 243 00:12:27,960 --> 00:12:31,080 Speaker 1: to ninety five percent likely it's going to be a 244 00:12:31,120 --> 00:12:36,080 Speaker 1: defensive player. But give yourself options and get ready made players. 245 00:12:36,120 --> 00:12:40,040 Speaker 1: It's not necessarily just the draft. It's stopped having to 246 00:12:40,080 --> 00:12:43,200 Speaker 1: think that you have to draft, develop and hope these 247 00:12:43,240 --> 00:12:47,640 Speaker 1: guys hit. You give yourself a shot here with Brian 248 00:12:47,720 --> 00:12:50,520 Speaker 1: Cook and boy a mass of guys that you've seen 249 00:12:50,679 --> 00:12:53,320 Speaker 1: do it on Sundays, and when you have guys that 250 00:12:53,360 --> 00:12:57,240 Speaker 1: are ready proven difference makers, I would think you sleep 251 00:12:57,280 --> 00:12:59,120 Speaker 1: a little bit better at night knowing you don't have 252 00:12:59,240 --> 00:13:01,640 Speaker 1: to rely on poki's as much as they did last year. 253 00:13:01,960 --> 00:13:04,920 Speaker 2: We saw the reaction over the weekend of Jamar Chase 254 00:13:05,080 --> 00:13:09,680 Speaker 2: when Max Crosby was traded to the Baltimore Ravens. How 255 00:13:09,679 --> 00:13:12,360 Speaker 2: important do you think is it the message sent to 256 00:13:12,640 --> 00:13:15,000 Speaker 2: Jamar and Joe and the other guys on the team 257 00:13:15,040 --> 00:13:19,080 Speaker 2: to be aggressive like this on Day number one, There's 258 00:13:19,120 --> 00:13:19,800 Speaker 2: no doubt, and I. 259 00:13:19,720 --> 00:13:21,959 Speaker 1: Think that's all part of it. That's all baked into 260 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:25,080 Speaker 1: the urgency of what the Bengals were feeling. And I 261 00:13:25,120 --> 00:13:27,960 Speaker 1: think you have to give Joe Burrow credit. You know, 262 00:13:28,200 --> 00:13:31,679 Speaker 1: we talk about so much Joe Burrow's master of messaging 263 00:13:32,320 --> 00:13:35,640 Speaker 1: and his way of getting in front of a microphone 264 00:13:35,760 --> 00:13:39,040 Speaker 1: and delivering a message that really hits. And I think 265 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:43,959 Speaker 1: the fact that his patience was thinning as the year continued, 266 00:13:44,080 --> 00:13:47,640 Speaker 1: I think that message got across to the front office. 267 00:13:48,080 --> 00:13:53,000 Speaker 1: Coaches seats are warming, quarterbacks, patients is thinning, the clock 268 00:13:53,080 --> 00:13:55,280 Speaker 1: is ticking. I mean, all of these things added up 269 00:13:55,720 --> 00:13:58,240 Speaker 1: to a team in a front office that I thought 270 00:13:58,400 --> 00:14:01,840 Speaker 1: knew the urgency of moment and the idea that they 271 00:14:01,960 --> 00:14:04,800 Speaker 1: had to go out and go for it in free agency. 272 00:14:04,920 --> 00:14:07,959 Speaker 1: Now they've gone for it some they have to go 273 00:14:08,040 --> 00:14:10,839 Speaker 1: for it more. This is just the start. It can't 274 00:14:10,840 --> 00:14:13,840 Speaker 1: be the finished product of two guys that come in 275 00:14:13,880 --> 00:14:17,280 Speaker 1: and help this defense. It's a bigger rebuild project, and 276 00:14:17,440 --> 00:14:19,600 Speaker 1: that we all know that. I'm not even sure they 277 00:14:19,640 --> 00:14:22,000 Speaker 1: can rebuild the whole thing in one offseason. You know, 278 00:14:22,040 --> 00:14:23,920 Speaker 1: they tried with all the draft picks last year. If 279 00:14:23,920 --> 00:14:26,200 Speaker 1: that didn't work. Now they can try it with free 280 00:14:26,200 --> 00:14:29,120 Speaker 1: agents and draft picks. There are so many holes on 281 00:14:29,160 --> 00:14:31,600 Speaker 1: this defense that it might take this year and maybe 282 00:14:31,640 --> 00:14:34,520 Speaker 1: in the next year's offseason to really get this back 283 00:14:34,560 --> 00:14:38,560 Speaker 1: to a championship level defense. But certainly the reaction from 284 00:14:38,640 --> 00:14:41,840 Speaker 1: the best players on this team and what they said, 285 00:14:41,880 --> 00:14:43,800 Speaker 1: you go back to what Jamar Chase said near the 286 00:14:43,880 --> 00:14:46,560 Speaker 1: end of the year looking at the clip yesterday when 287 00:14:46,600 --> 00:14:50,080 Speaker 1: he was talking and asked about the idea of Candebengles 288 00:14:50,160 --> 00:14:52,440 Speaker 1: get this thing turned around quickly, and he said yes. 289 00:14:53,040 --> 00:14:54,720 Speaker 1: And he was asked as a follow up, well, what 290 00:14:54,880 --> 00:14:57,320 Speaker 1: needs to change, and he basically said, we all know 291 00:14:57,400 --> 00:14:59,720 Speaker 1: what needs to change, and what needs to change is 292 00:14:59,720 --> 00:15:03,000 Speaker 1: this team and find ready made Sunday proven difference makers 293 00:15:03,240 --> 00:15:06,080 Speaker 1: on defense. And they started that process with two good 294 00:15:06,080 --> 00:15:06,840 Speaker 1: ones on Monday. 295 00:15:07,080 --> 00:15:09,600 Speaker 2: I think, as Bengals fans, we are used to the 296 00:15:09,640 --> 00:15:13,280 Speaker 2: idea of a retread going back in time. What do 297 00:15:13,280 --> 00:15:14,840 Speaker 2: you think of the idea of DJ Reader. 298 00:15:18,080 --> 00:15:21,440 Speaker 1: It's a bit of a sigh, that's my reaction, because 299 00:15:22,160 --> 00:15:27,560 Speaker 1: I wonder how much really good football is left in 300 00:15:27,760 --> 00:15:31,160 Speaker 1: DJ Reader. All the intangibles check every box you would want. 301 00:15:31,920 --> 00:15:35,840 Speaker 1: I guess with DJ what's the price tag. Is the 302 00:15:35,880 --> 00:15:39,640 Speaker 1: price tag worth the risk of a guy who's getting older, 303 00:15:39,800 --> 00:15:43,600 Speaker 1: who has injuries, But if the price is right, certainly 304 00:15:43,640 --> 00:15:46,960 Speaker 1: it might be worth the gamble. He likes it here, Obviously, 305 00:15:47,880 --> 00:15:51,880 Speaker 1: he's respected here, and he certainly would have a big 306 00:15:51,960 --> 00:15:55,160 Speaker 1: role here if he were able to produce at a 307 00:15:55,280 --> 00:15:58,880 Speaker 1: level that would match whatever contract the Bengals give him. 308 00:15:58,920 --> 00:16:01,640 Speaker 1: So I'm not a against the idea. I think my 309 00:16:02,480 --> 00:16:06,640 Speaker 1: natural reaction was age injury. Probably not, But if the 310 00:16:06,680 --> 00:16:10,600 Speaker 1: price is right and the market goes down on DJ Reader, yeah, 311 00:16:10,640 --> 00:16:12,520 Speaker 1: why not give him a shot at the price is right, 312 00:16:12,600 --> 00:16:14,040 Speaker 1: bring him back and see if he can help. 313 00:16:14,520 --> 00:16:16,400 Speaker 3: Are you surprised at all, Joe, as we get to 314 00:16:16,480 --> 00:16:19,880 Speaker 3: day two that Trey Hendrickson is still on the board 315 00:16:19,920 --> 00:16:22,000 Speaker 3: and it doesn't seem like teams are willing to match 316 00:16:22,040 --> 00:16:22,680 Speaker 3: that price tag. 317 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:26,720 Speaker 1: I am surprised, And I think that might be different 318 00:16:26,800 --> 00:16:30,360 Speaker 1: than the normal take of anybody who's followed Trey Hendrickson, 319 00:16:30,400 --> 00:16:33,000 Speaker 1: because we can poke as many holes in his game 320 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:35,840 Speaker 1: as we want to, and the age is a factor. 321 00:16:36,240 --> 00:16:38,800 Speaker 1: Like DJ Reider, the age and the injury is a factor. 322 00:16:39,720 --> 00:16:42,400 Speaker 1: He's a bit of a specialist, right that he just 323 00:16:42,520 --> 00:16:44,840 Speaker 1: rushes the passer. He doesn't help you in the run game. 324 00:16:44,880 --> 00:16:47,720 Speaker 1: He's not a great tackler outside of getting the quarterback 325 00:16:47,760 --> 00:16:50,600 Speaker 1: to the ground. People will always say too that you 326 00:16:50,640 --> 00:16:53,120 Speaker 1: know he he kind of feasted on bad opponents. He 327 00:16:53,400 --> 00:16:56,400 Speaker 1: would get sacks and bunches against backups and bad teams. 328 00:16:57,160 --> 00:16:59,920 Speaker 1: But there is a skill set that helps teams win, 329 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:03,320 Speaker 1: and it would have helped the Bengals win multiple games. 330 00:17:03,320 --> 00:17:05,800 Speaker 1: I believe last year if he was healthy. He has 331 00:17:05,840 --> 00:17:08,960 Speaker 1: a knack in the fourth quarter late in games to 332 00:17:09,040 --> 00:17:12,880 Speaker 1: make plays that can't be taught. That's important. He's a closer, 333 00:17:13,359 --> 00:17:18,239 Speaker 1: and teams mead closers and when his skill and his 334 00:17:18,440 --> 00:17:22,359 Speaker 1: position is valued as much as it is in the NFL. 335 00:17:22,840 --> 00:17:26,560 Speaker 1: I'm surprised one team hasn't fallen in love with the 336 00:17:26,600 --> 00:17:29,560 Speaker 1: idea of adding Trey Henderson. It'll happen, someone will give 337 00:17:29,640 --> 00:17:31,520 Speaker 1: him money. I don't know what the money will be, 338 00:17:31,840 --> 00:17:34,200 Speaker 1: but I am surprised he made it through day one 339 00:17:34,240 --> 00:17:37,440 Speaker 1: without somebody saying, oh, yeah, he can instantly make us better, 340 00:17:37,480 --> 00:17:40,480 Speaker 1: because wherever he goes, he will make that team better. 341 00:17:41,160 --> 00:17:44,120 Speaker 1: Let's not kid ourselves. We can say whatever we want 342 00:17:44,119 --> 00:17:46,359 Speaker 1: and poke the holes in the Trey Henderson resume as 343 00:17:46,440 --> 00:17:49,160 Speaker 1: many times as we can. But he still has good 344 00:17:49,200 --> 00:17:52,439 Speaker 1: football left in him. He still does a skill that 345 00:17:52,600 --> 00:17:55,840 Speaker 1: is a premium skill in the NFL. That team's value. 346 00:17:56,200 --> 00:17:58,920 Speaker 1: He'll get his money. I don't know if he'll get 347 00:17:58,920 --> 00:18:01,840 Speaker 1: the money he expects. Did it? Certainly it doesn't look 348 00:18:01,880 --> 00:18:04,280 Speaker 1: that way. Maybe this is a bit of a dose 349 00:18:04,280 --> 00:18:06,520 Speaker 1: of reality for a guy who bet on himself and 350 00:18:06,560 --> 00:18:08,480 Speaker 1: it's not working out as well as he thought. But 351 00:18:09,040 --> 00:18:12,480 Speaker 1: one team, one team will see what he can do, 352 00:18:13,080 --> 00:18:16,280 Speaker 1: and Trey Hendrickson will find himself a spot for multiple 353 00:18:16,359 --> 00:18:17,560 Speaker 1: years going forward. Yeah. 354 00:18:17,640 --> 00:18:21,680 Speaker 2: Jonathan Jones, the CBS NFL Insider, right as we began 355 00:18:21,760 --> 00:18:24,600 Speaker 2: this phone call, Joe said that he spoke with teams 356 00:18:24,640 --> 00:18:28,600 Speaker 2: this morning who said the gap between what Trey Hendrickson 357 00:18:28,680 --> 00:18:32,000 Speaker 2: wanted and what they were willing to pay him was 358 00:18:32,080 --> 00:18:34,440 Speaker 2: close to ten million dollars per year. 359 00:18:37,080 --> 00:18:41,320 Speaker 1: That shouldn't surprise us. No, it's just here in Cincinnati. 360 00:18:41,880 --> 00:18:44,840 Speaker 1: We saw when the Bengals said go ahead and try 361 00:18:44,880 --> 00:18:47,800 Speaker 1: to go for a trade partner, and what was the 362 00:18:47,840 --> 00:18:50,320 Speaker 1: market right? And that's the other thing too, is you 363 00:18:50,359 --> 00:18:52,240 Speaker 1: know people talk all the time, why didn't the Bangals 364 00:18:52,280 --> 00:18:55,119 Speaker 1: trade him? I think we're seeing maybe the market in 365 00:18:55,160 --> 00:18:59,080 Speaker 1: the NFL wasn't as high as maybe we thought it 366 00:18:59,119 --> 00:19:01,840 Speaker 1: should be here in Cincinnati for what Trey Hendrickson did 367 00:19:01,920 --> 00:19:04,520 Speaker 1: on the field. And I think we've had multiple data 368 00:19:04,560 --> 00:19:09,120 Speaker 1: points now of time of where Trey Hendrickson could put 369 00:19:09,119 --> 00:19:11,760 Speaker 1: his name out there and fort with other teams, and 370 00:19:11,800 --> 00:19:14,840 Speaker 1: he hasn't gotten the date. And I think maybe that's 371 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:18,640 Speaker 1: reality now for Trey Hendrickson that Okay, I'm not as 372 00:19:18,640 --> 00:19:20,679 Speaker 1: worth as much as I thought I was because I 373 00:19:20,720 --> 00:19:23,280 Speaker 1: am a bit of a specialist. But people will get paid. 374 00:19:23,840 --> 00:19:26,840 Speaker 1: Somebody will love that skill set and what he can 375 00:19:26,880 --> 00:19:30,120 Speaker 1: do to help a team, because I do stand on it. 376 00:19:30,280 --> 00:19:32,080 Speaker 1: Trey Henderson is still a guy that can help a 377 00:19:32,119 --> 00:19:34,480 Speaker 1: team win games because of what he can do in 378 00:19:34,520 --> 00:19:35,120 Speaker 1: a fourth quarter. 379 00:19:35,720 --> 00:19:37,320 Speaker 3: Joe, before I let you go, I got to ask. 380 00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:39,480 Speaker 3: They just showed on one of the screens here in 381 00:19:39,480 --> 00:19:42,880 Speaker 3: the studio the Bearcats are arriving for their three o'clock game, 382 00:19:43,720 --> 00:19:46,320 Speaker 3: the Big Twelve, this court for the Big Twelve tournament. 383 00:19:46,680 --> 00:19:49,240 Speaker 3: All the bells and whistles, and yet I watch it 384 00:19:49,280 --> 00:19:51,280 Speaker 3: and I'm like, it's kind of bland. They've got the 385 00:19:51,320 --> 00:19:53,679 Speaker 3: ability to do a million different things, and it's just 386 00:19:53,720 --> 00:19:56,639 Speaker 3: this Bland, great court. What do you make of the court, 387 00:19:56,640 --> 00:19:59,280 Speaker 3: And secondly, what do you make of the Bearcats chances? 388 00:19:59,600 --> 00:20:01,560 Speaker 1: Okay, I want to see what it looks like. I 389 00:20:01,600 --> 00:20:04,960 Speaker 1: haven't seen it yet on live TV, but I'm assuming 390 00:20:05,640 --> 00:20:08,200 Speaker 1: it's going to be used for a lot of pregame stuff, 391 00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:11,760 Speaker 1: a lot of halftime stuff, and that's fine. I don't 392 00:20:11,760 --> 00:20:13,879 Speaker 1: think they need to go crazy when it's actually a 393 00:20:13,920 --> 00:20:17,399 Speaker 1: high level basketball game with serious stakes for coaches and 394 00:20:17,480 --> 00:20:19,800 Speaker 1: futures and teams trying to make a run to the 395 00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:22,600 Speaker 1: NCAA Tournament. But I like the idea of it. I 396 00:20:22,600 --> 00:20:26,080 Speaker 1: think it's something that could be interesting on the NBA level, 397 00:20:26,080 --> 00:20:28,679 Speaker 1: where every night kind of feels like you're trying to 398 00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:31,959 Speaker 1: find a reason to entertain the fans with players opting 399 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:34,360 Speaker 1: out and load managing. So we'll see if that makes 400 00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:37,000 Speaker 1: its way to the NBA. I like the Bearcats chances today. 401 00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:39,000 Speaker 1: I just don't like to draw. I don't like the 402 00:20:39,040 --> 00:20:42,200 Speaker 1: fact that Arizona's right there in their path because it's 403 00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:45,480 Speaker 1: probably the one team in the conference when they line 404 00:20:45,560 --> 00:20:47,760 Speaker 1: up and put this on tape and run it back 405 00:20:47,800 --> 00:20:53,000 Speaker 1: when the upset, it's the one team I don't think 406 00:20:53,040 --> 00:20:56,320 Speaker 1: they can be in the Big twelve. Houston doesn't scare me. 407 00:20:57,000 --> 00:21:01,879 Speaker 1: Kansas obviously shouldn't scare itch. They went there, Texas Tech. 408 00:21:02,080 --> 00:21:07,080 Speaker 1: Maybe Iowa State certainly doesn't scare me. But Arizona's the 409 00:21:07,119 --> 00:21:09,679 Speaker 1: one team. I just I don't see it happening, But 410 00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:12,520 Speaker 1: I want to ask you one question, Toney. So I'm 411 00:21:12,560 --> 00:21:15,520 Speaker 1: sitting there at my desk yesterday, and like a good employee, 412 00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:18,960 Speaker 1: I have Fox nineteen on there. I keep seeing commercials 413 00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:23,360 Speaker 1: for you and Kat Patrick. You're on TV on Fox nineteen, 414 00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:24,480 Speaker 1: And I asked. 415 00:21:24,320 --> 00:21:27,560 Speaker 3: Big day, I got a big tag tapping tomorrow night 416 00:21:27,880 --> 00:21:31,640 Speaker 3: in a big, big event on Saturday with the parade. 417 00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:35,080 Speaker 1: Let's go, and you're gonna be on TV where you belong. 418 00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:38,679 Speaker 1: Forty years old, forty candles. 419 00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:39,040 Speaker 3: Feels nighty p. 420 00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:41,760 Speaker 1: It's a big weekend. We're gonna celebrate Tony Firs. 421 00:21:41,880 --> 00:21:43,840 Speaker 3: What else you got coming up? I know some big 422 00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:46,399 Speaker 3: stuff with the Reds coming up on Fox nineteen. What 423 00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:48,679 Speaker 3: else is coming up with you guys? 424 00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:51,840 Speaker 1: Yeah? The big news right opening Day back on Fox nineteen. 425 00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:55,000 Speaker 1: Now a second straight year, two year deal, so it'll 426 00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:57,160 Speaker 1: be three years when you look at next year as well, 427 00:21:57,480 --> 00:22:02,360 Speaker 1: we are going to be showing thirteen games on Fox nineteen. 428 00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:05,480 Speaker 1: Now this year, that's a big deal, including Opening Day 429 00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:08,480 Speaker 1: and Hall of Fame Night at Great American Ballpark. We're 430 00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:12,000 Speaker 1: already planning a lot of special coverage around those. The 431 00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:16,720 Speaker 1: last thirty minute final quarter of this season, man, is 432 00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:21,200 Speaker 1: this Friday night, as teams are now in state regionals, 433 00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:24,280 Speaker 1: deep into tournament runs or running out of teams enough 434 00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:27,680 Speaker 1: to fill a thirty minute show. So last one this Friday, 435 00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:30,640 Speaker 1: but the final quarter continues after that in a fifteen 436 00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:32,560 Speaker 1: minute capacity until football season. 437 00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:35,320 Speaker 3: Joe Daneman, Fox nineteen, Joe, you're the man. We'll talk 438 00:22:35,359 --> 00:22:41,320 Speaker 3: again soon. Happy birthday, ye, Joey d Fox nineteen. Always 439 00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:45,120 Speaker 3: appreciative of Joe's time. Next, We're also appreciative of your time. 440 00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:49,000 Speaker 3: It's Talkbacks on ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati Sports station