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Speaker 2: a good start. The Reds are off to a good start.

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Speaker 2: You may disagree with this. This is my perspective. I

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Speaker 3: Now it's not like last year.

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Speaker 2: Is this like awesome standard that they should be striving for.

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Speaker 2: He has given this team a jolt of what they

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Speaker 2: It sounds mean to TJ. TJ's had a nice stay

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Speaker 5: know who are now analysts or working around the game

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Speaker 5: in some way, shape or fashion. I'm like, gosh, you

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Speaker 5: look you look amazing. You look strong, you look like

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Speaker 5: you could go out there and hit a couple of balls.

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Speaker 5: And they're like, yeah, when when we're not subject to

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Speaker 5: MLB's very strict testing policies about what you can and

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Speaker 5: can't take in terms of supplements, you know, we're good.

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Speaker 5: So I don't know that Walt Weiss is taking any supplements,

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Speaker 5: but but yeah, he's he's definitely strong and he's doing

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Speaker 5: well for a man who's sixty two years old.

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Speaker 2: One more because you have a broadcast to prep for

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Speaker 2: it tonight. Heidi Watney from Apple TV Reds Are on Friday,

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Speaker 2: Night Baseball and Apple TV tonight against the Angels, first pitch,

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Speaker 2: six forty five. So that the big story in the

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Speaker 2: sport for the first two plus weeks has been ABS,

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Speaker 2: and I feel like we've the way that we've talked

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Speaker 2: about it has slowed down a little bit because we've

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Speaker 2: all gotten used to it. I love it. I think

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Speaker 2: it's added a dimension of strategy. Fans at the ballpark

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Speaker 2: get into it. I think it's actually made the public realize,

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Speaker 2: and a lot of folks feel the opposite. I think

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Speaker 2: it's made the public realize how hard being a homeplate

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Speaker 2: umpire is and.

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Speaker 3: How good most of these guys are.

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Speaker 2: As you've covered the sport, when you talk to players,

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Speaker 2: when you talk to people in it, are folks settling in?

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Speaker 2: Is there a different angle on ABS that you weren't expecting?

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Speaker 2: Give me a minute on ABS.

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Speaker 5: You know, it's interesting. Every single person in and around

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Speaker 5: the game that I have talked to loves it, loves it,

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Speaker 5: and there was so much resistance last spring training, right

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Speaker 5: you heard Max Sure's a railing against it. And I

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Speaker 5: haven't had a chance to talk to maxim person yet,

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Speaker 5: so I will be interested because he always has a

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Speaker 5: very informed and interesting take on the sport of baseball,

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Speaker 5: but I would be willing to let that he likes

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Speaker 5: how it's been implemented as well. My trout loved it. Again,

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Speaker 5: every manager and player I've talked to, you don't want

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Speaker 5: to end a game the way the World Baseball Classic ended, right,

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Speaker 5: a game that matters, and that hasn't really happened in

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Speaker 5: the early going, but we've seen it effect outcomes of

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Speaker 5: that bets. Like I said, we just did the Brave

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Speaker 5: Diamondbacks last week. They had an inning Thursday, the night

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Speaker 5: before our game where all the alb's challenged. He was

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Speaker 5: the first batter of an inning, but he challenged, and

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Speaker 5: he drew a walk instead of striking out, and that

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Speaker 5: set up the eight run inning. They wouldn't have scored

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Speaker 5: any of those runs had he made an out as

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Speaker 5: the first at back, because the next two betters did

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Speaker 5: what they did anyway. So it just it's interesting how

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Speaker 5: it's impacting the game. But you're right, for the most part,

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Speaker 5: were the misses. And I love that it shows it's

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Speaker 5: a point eight inches off the plate, less than an

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Speaker 5: inch or one point one inches or whatever you're seeing

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Speaker 5: that it's such a game of literal inches in baseball,

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Speaker 5: but especially with the ABS strike zone, that even the

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Speaker 5: misses for the most part are really dialed in and

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Speaker 5: really close, and it is showing that. I mean, there's

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Speaker 5: been a couple of umpires that have gotten that have

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Speaker 5: had bad days and as Aaron Boone Aaron Boone said,

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Speaker 5: did not make an adjustment. But for the most part,

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Speaker 5: it's really highlighting how good they are and how tough

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Speaker 5: it is to be a picture and hit a pinpoint spot,

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Speaker 5: and how tough it is to have a good eye.

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Speaker 5: I mean, Logan o'hapi's been one of the best in baseball.

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Speaker 5: I think he's ten for twelve on challenges as a catcher.

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Speaker 5: I mean, that's a really good ratio. So he will

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Speaker 5: be behind the dish tonight for the Angels and we'll see.

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Speaker 5: But it's been a lot of people are just saying, look,

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Speaker 5: it's it's writing some that we the public can now

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Speaker 5: be right with all of the technology that we have.

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Speaker 5: It's just fixing something that so people aren't going to

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Speaker 5: be so angry. And hey, if you had an opportunity

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Speaker 5: to challenge and you didn't challenge, that's not on you.

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Speaker 5: You can't get mad at the umpire for that, and

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Speaker 5: you do have to have some strategy with it. So

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Speaker 5: it's incorporating even more strategy in a game that already

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Speaker 5: has so much strategy. But for the thinkers, for the

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Speaker 5: baseball thinkers, it's really fun. Do we use it here?

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Speaker 5: Do we not use it here? Most of the managers

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Speaker 5: and players I've talked to. The managers are like, look,

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Speaker 5: if it's really in the game, or if it's a

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Speaker 5: low leverage situation, you better be one hundred percent if

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Speaker 5: you're going to challenge, and less so if it's a

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Speaker 5: sticky situation or late in the game or something that

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Speaker 5: can be really impactful. If you're pretty sure, you can challenge.

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Speaker 5: But a lot of people have said, and I heard

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Speaker 5: Tito say this the other day, they want to kind

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Speaker 5: of use it strategically as well late in the game

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Speaker 5: if they need an extra time out for their picture.

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Speaker 5: It's almost can be saved as an extra time out, like, hey,

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Speaker 5: let's challenge, take a beat, get a breath, if you're

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Speaker 5: out of mound visits. It's just kind of an extra

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Speaker 5: way to do it that way too. So it's all strategy.

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Speaker 5: Baseball has become such a game of chess, and I

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Speaker 5: just love it. I think it's so much fun.

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Speaker 2: Well said, have a great broadcast tonight. We appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: Hopefully we can do it again later on this season. Heidi,

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Speaker 2: thanks so much.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, thank you. Hey, we've got the drone in there tonight.

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Speaker 5: We're gonna have live interviews with my trout and Elied

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Speaker 5: who cruz right at the stop at the top of

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Speaker 5: the game. So we've got a lot of fun stuff

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Speaker 5: for you guys on the broadcast tonight on Apple TV.

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Speaker 2: Awesome, Thank you, Heidi, appreciate it. Tonight Friday Night Baseball.

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Speaker 2: Apple TV's first pitch at six forty five way late

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Speaker 3: We love them. FC Cincinnati.

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Speaker 2: FC Cincinnati came out of the International break with a

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Speaker 2: slightly different look, and it felt like the offensive attack

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Speaker 2: had a little bit more pep to it. Unfortunately, boy

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Speaker 2: FC Cincinnati's defensive issues persisted and the familiar result was

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Speaker 2: painful for a Pat Noonan in club.

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Speaker 3: They lose at New York for too.

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Speaker 2: They're back on the road for a day match tomorrow

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Speaker 2: against Toronto on Apple TV. Callum Williams from Apple TV

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Speaker 2: has the call and kind enough to join us. Calum,

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Speaker 2: it's good to have you. How are you?

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Speaker 5: You?

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Speaker 1: Break it up tonaon guys. How we doing?

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Speaker 3: We're doing well.

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Speaker 2: I'd be doing better if if FC Cincinnati was showing

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Speaker 2: off its normal form. That hasn't been That hasn't been

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Speaker 2: the case so far this season. But I do feel

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Speaker 2: like Pat Noonan went out of his way after the

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Speaker 2: last match to kind of cling to some positives. Do

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Speaker 2: you feel like that's the right approach?

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Speaker 1: Well?

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Speaker 6: I think they need to, don't they, because this season

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Speaker 6: so far has been anything but positive. And we've seen

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Speaker 6: one or two flashes, no doubt about it, with the

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Speaker 6: victories against the likes of Montreal, which I'm going to

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Speaker 6: be subtally honest, having covered Montreal a lot last season

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Speaker 6: to see that Cincinnati should be beating fairly certainly convincingly,

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Speaker 6: not in the manner in which they did that. The

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Speaker 6: win in Atlanta against Atlanta rather on Opening Day was

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Speaker 6: was a step in the right direction, But with regards

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Speaker 6: to the games that they've lost, it's the way that

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Speaker 6: they've lost them in the manner in which they've lost

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Speaker 6: them as well. I think for such a long time

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Speaker 6: when Cincinnati and you guys were no better than I will.

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Speaker 6: When Cincinnati first came into Major League soccer, it was

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Speaker 6: the back line that was the real problem, and the

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Speaker 6: obvious problem as well, because they were conceding so many goals.

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Speaker 6: And it feels as though they've done some of a

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Speaker 6: bit of a loop really in the sense of from

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Speaker 6: an attacking perspective, they're a delight when they are in

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Speaker 6: full flow.

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Speaker 1: The likes of Kevin Denk and.

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Speaker 6: Evander when he's on his day are some of the

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Speaker 6: best in Major League soccer. But from a defensive perspective,

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Speaker 6: it at times has been it's been cringe worthy. They've

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Speaker 6: considered eighteen goals in the last four games in all

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Speaker 6: competitions that that is just absolutely abysmal. From a numerical perspective,

647
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:28,720
Speaker 6: you cannot expect to achieve anything if you're conceding the

648
00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:29,760
Speaker 6: amount of goals.

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Speaker 1: That they are now. Look, obviously they've had injury issues.

650
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:37,160
Speaker 6: Matt Leyaska is getting himself back into full flow. Myles Robinson,

651
00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:40,480
Speaker 6: to my understanding, has picked up an injury. Albus Power

652
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:43,240
Speaker 6: is injured, I think, or being a warbardole to my

653
00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:48,440
Speaker 6: understanding is day by day, particularly Robinson and Warbardo, those

654
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:51,320
Speaker 6: are big pieces to miss and it feels as though

655
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:55,360
Speaker 6: this Sefsy Cincinnati jigsaw has yet to really have all

656
00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:56,840
Speaker 6: the pieces put together in it.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what to expect for the game against Toronto.

658
00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:05,800
Speaker 6: Honestly, it wouldn't surprise me if the approach is let's

659
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:10,000
Speaker 6: just get back to basics. Let's try and not conceive goals.

660
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:13,880
Speaker 6: Let's try and stop this woeful leak and see if

661
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:15,840
Speaker 6: we can hit on the counter press and see if

662
00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:18,640
Speaker 6: we can hit on the counter attack and find something

663
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:21,400
Speaker 6: from set pieces that's a positive. You know that the

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Speaker 6: set pieces from an attacking perspective have been good this year.

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00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:27,760
Speaker 6: But look, this is a Toronto FC side that, I think,

666
00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:30,840
Speaker 6: for the first time since March April of twenty twenty three,

667
00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:34,360
Speaker 6: are unbeaten in four They've found their form. They're amongst

668
00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:37,800
Speaker 6: a huge home stretch. They've got at nine home games

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Speaker 6: in a row. This will be their fifth. It's a

670
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:44,320
Speaker 6: tough place to go Toronto has particularly given the fact

671
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:46,720
Speaker 6: they've spent over twenty million dollars on Jush Sargent, the

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00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:48,360
Speaker 6: US national simps center forward.

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Speaker 1: So this is not an easy place to go.

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Speaker 6: But I feel like FC Cincinnati can find a way

675
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:58,160
Speaker 6: in Toronto. They've just got to stop conceding these silly goals.

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Speaker 3: Well you know you mentioned and I was going to

677
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Speaker 3: go there next.

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Speaker 2: Is this the sort of team that can expose those

679
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:09,480
Speaker 2: massive weaknesses that for FC Cincinnati unfortunately have kind of

680
00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:11,240
Speaker 2: dominated the discourse this season.

681
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Speaker 1: Well, we saw it didn't wear your TQL stadium.

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Speaker 6: What was it a month ago when Toronto were visiting

683
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Speaker 6: and Daniel Shallowy, who I think has been a magnificent

684
00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:24,760
Speaker 6: signing for Toronto FC, was absolutely sublime. In let's be honest,

685
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:27,120
Speaker 6: a very average Kansas City team over the course of

686
00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:29,680
Speaker 6: the last five years or so, he's given them a

687
00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:33,600
Speaker 6: new dimension and adding Josh Sargents has put them up

688
00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:35,520
Speaker 6: a level even more so.

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Speaker 1: So.

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Speaker 6: I look, I don't know obviously what formations Toronto are

691
00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:41,560
Speaker 6: going to play tomorrow. I find it hard to believe

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00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:45,360
Speaker 6: that they would shift from what's been at least in

693
00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:48,560
Speaker 6: possession of four three three, which does insinuate that a

694
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:51,160
Speaker 6: lot of the attacking phases.

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00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:51,960
Speaker 1: Will come in the wide area.

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Speaker 6: So I think that's where Cincinnati has been beaten from

697
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:58,279
Speaker 6: the games that I've seen them. It's when the fullbacks

698
00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:02,000
Speaker 6: of the back fiver are to push forwards, which is

699
00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:04,759
Speaker 6: common in any team that's playing a back five or

700
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:06,759
Speaker 6: a back three, regardless of which way you look at it,

701
00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:09,319
Speaker 6: and there is a responsibility on the wing backs. But

702
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:12,400
Speaker 6: if they are pressing forward and they are being asked

703
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:15,839
Speaker 6: to join in on the attack and defensively, that can

704
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:18,359
Speaker 6: leave you exposed, and particularly on the road in Major

705
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:20,200
Speaker 6: League soccer. And Daniel Shallow he is one of those

706
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:23,440
Speaker 6: players that he's very smart in his movement both on

707
00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:26,279
Speaker 6: and off football. It wouldn't supplies me if he got

708
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:29,319
Speaker 6: himself involved and got a couple of chances against Cincinnati

709
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:32,600
Speaker 6: over the course of the game, because I think he's

710
00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:34,880
Speaker 6: one of these players that it's very dynamic. He can

711
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:37,200
Speaker 6: be that traditional wide player and get in behind, but

712
00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 6: he can also tuck in from the left on what

713
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:41,719
Speaker 6: seems to be his favorite right foot as well, though

714
00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:43,480
Speaker 6: he seems equally is deadly on his left, so that's

715
00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:48,200
Speaker 6: a problem. But honestly, look I really think that this

716
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:50,279
Speaker 6: is this is a tough task. This is a really

717
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:53,520
Speaker 6: tough one for Cincinnati at the moments. Home games on

718
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:56,680
Speaker 6: the horizon against Chicago awaiting New York City's really difficult

719
00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:59,160
Speaker 6: at home to Red Bull. There's some really tough edge.

720
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:02,440
Speaker 6: This is not an ease unique Major League soccer is

721
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:04,480
Speaker 6: right now. In my opinion, this is a top ten

722
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:06,359
Speaker 6: league in the world right now. And I'm fortunate enough

723
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:09,360
Speaker 6: to have covered a lot of world football during my career,

724
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:12,360
Speaker 6: and this is up there now with with regards to quality.

725
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:15,680
Speaker 6: And I think Cincinnati right now they just need a

726
00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:16,319
Speaker 6: break as well.

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00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:18,160
Speaker 1: They need they need Evander.

728
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:20,120
Speaker 6: They need den Ca to to start combining a little

729
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:22,600
Speaker 6: more regularly as well. A lot of it rides on

730
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:24,880
Speaker 6: the shoulders of Evander, which I'm not inside is sure

731
00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:28,879
Speaker 6: how fair that is. And the counter argument there as well, Yeah,

732
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:30,239
Speaker 6: you know, he costs a lot of money, he's a

733
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:33,680
Speaker 6: designating player. He should be delivering, and I accept that

734
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:36,960
Speaker 6: argument for sure, but it's the supporting cast that have

735
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:39,680
Speaker 6: really got to start delivering around both him and Kevin Dana.

736
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:42,440
Speaker 6: But I guess the council argument to the counter argument

737
00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:46,200
Speaker 6: is well that there's a lot of players that are

738
00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:48,879
Speaker 6: still getting into their groove and the likes of Blind

739
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:53,200
Speaker 6: Ramirez and end At Chinik are showing flashes, but they

740
00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:54,400
Speaker 6: just need to be more consistent.

741
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Speaker 2: And you know, you know, we don't want to speculate

742
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:01,480
Speaker 2: too much, but according to the Athletic, we're going after Neymar,

743
00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:03,720
Speaker 2: so that you know, that could solve everything.

744
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:06,240
Speaker 1: Well possibly.

745
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:08,879
Speaker 6: I mean, look, Neymar is almost like rolling your dice,

746
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:09,359
Speaker 6: isn't it.

747
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:11,560
Speaker 1: I just I don't know.

748
00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:16,000
Speaker 6: I really don't know with Neymar because oh my word, guys,

749
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:18,400
Speaker 6: I mean, look, on his day, he is he's the

750
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:22,000
Speaker 6: game changer, right, He's still world class. And I have

751
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:24,960
Speaker 6: a lot of friends who cover the Brazil Lai down

752
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:28,120
Speaker 6: in Brazil and have said to me he's he's still

753
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:31,360
Speaker 6: absolutely top tier. He just needs to put himself in

754
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:34,840
Speaker 6: the right situation. I cover a lot of French football guys,

755
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:38,960
Speaker 6: and whenever I'm overcovering games in France, my friends and

756
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:42,080
Speaker 6: journalists I know that that cover Pakistan Schiman on a

757
00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:45,280
Speaker 6: regular basis say yeah, there were times that he when

758
00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:47,279
Speaker 6: he was at PHG, there were times that they were

759
00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:49,840
Speaker 6: convinced he was the best player on the planets, like

760
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:52,719
Speaker 6: he's got it in him right, But coming to Major

761
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:55,640
Speaker 6: League soccer is such an anomaly for so many foreign

762
00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:58,799
Speaker 6: players because it's so different. And if he comes in,

763
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:02,600
Speaker 6: I'm assuming he will be paid a decent amount of money.

764
00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:05,799
Speaker 6: The expectation will be there. And I'm not saying there's

765
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:08,480
Speaker 6: not expectation on him at Santos, because there absolutely is.

766
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:10,680
Speaker 6: Right now, he's the star of the show in Brazil.

767
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:14,279
Speaker 6: But I just question what sort of an attitude he

768
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:17,640
Speaker 6: would have. We've got a glimpse of when he went

769
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:21,239
Speaker 6: over to the Saudi Pro League without Kilal and it

770
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:24,839
Speaker 6: just didn't work. And I think this might This could

771
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:27,600
Speaker 6: very well be a similar situation if if.

772
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Speaker 1: Indeed something happens.

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Speaker 6: But look, what I will say about this is I'm

774
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:35,600
Speaker 6: told that it's it is legitimately primary talks like that,

775
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:38,239
Speaker 6: this is preliminary talks, I think is probably the better

776
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:41,200
Speaker 6: word for it. Preliminary in capital letters, I think is

777
00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:43,879
Speaker 6: probably the best way to describe it. Has there's been

778
00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:49,520
Speaker 6: a very very small conversation which I don't know which

779
00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:52,840
Speaker 6: end it was. One end of the conversation saw the

780
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:55,959
Speaker 6: phone being picked up, and that's all it is.

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Speaker 1: At the moment to my understanding.

782
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Speaker 6: But I mean, look, There's one thing it would do,

783
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:03,280
Speaker 6: would drive interest, It would it would bring in international attention.

784
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:05,400
Speaker 6: We've all seen what has happened to Major League soccer

785
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:09,160
Speaker 6: since Messi has been here. This would be an incredible

786
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:12,560
Speaker 6: coop for e FC Cincinnati off the field for sure,

787
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:15,080
Speaker 6: and on the field. I'm sure it would be remarkable.

788
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:18,640
Speaker 6: But I just I don't know. There's something about it

789
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:22,360
Speaker 6: right now where I I question him, I really do.

790
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:22,880
Speaker 1: I don't know.

791
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:25,200
Speaker 6: Look, I'm sure he would be magnificent, but I just

792
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:27,880
Speaker 6: don't know if it's the right move for FC Cincinnati

793
00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:28,520
Speaker 6: right now.

794
00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:33,320
Speaker 2: Well, it's got people talking and we'll see.

795
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:35,440
Speaker 3: We'll see what happens. It's it's interesting.

796
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:38,120
Speaker 2: Nonetheless, First things first, got to show better for him

797
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:40,719
Speaker 2: against Toronto at one o'clock, a road match for the

798
00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:41,359
Speaker 2: Orange and Blue.

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Speaker 3: Callum, have a great call of it, man. We appreciate

800
00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:43,960
Speaker 3: the time. Thanks so much.

801
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:45,279
Speaker 1: Appreciate it.

802
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:46,480
Speaker 3: Yes, guys, you got it.

803
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Speaker 2: Callum Williams play by play voice Apple TV FC Cincinnati

804
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:54,000
Speaker 2: tomorrow on the road against Toronto. Of course, you can

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