1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:01,800 Speaker 1: At Cincinnati Sports station. 2 00:00:02,880 --> 00:00:05,600 Speaker 2: There's no five minutes after four o'clock. This is ESPN 3 00:00:05,640 --> 00:00:07,680 Speaker 2: fifteen thirty on Molegger. By the way, I can't even 4 00:00:07,720 --> 00:00:11,680 Speaker 2: believe I have to like to make this distinction, but 5 00:00:11,760 --> 00:00:14,480 Speaker 2: I'm going to anyway, based on an email I got 6 00:00:14,600 --> 00:00:20,079 Speaker 2: just a few minutes ago, I don't actually think that 7 00:00:20,239 --> 00:00:23,480 Speaker 2: Joe Royer should sue Brendan Sorosby for not throwing him 8 00:00:23,480 --> 00:00:26,720 Speaker 2: the football. See what we were doing when we said that, 9 00:00:26,880 --> 00:00:29,360 Speaker 2: is we were referencing something that's happening right now in 10 00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:32,760 Speaker 2: the news, which is U see suing Brendan Soresby. And 11 00:00:32,800 --> 00:00:36,320 Speaker 2: then you know, rolling into the conversation the fact that 12 00:00:36,400 --> 00:00:40,600 Speaker 2: Joe Royer, who has a legitimate chance to play in 13 00:00:40,640 --> 00:00:43,520 Speaker 2: the NFL, like, is going to be drafted. I would 14 00:00:43,560 --> 00:00:47,000 Speaker 2: be stunned if Joe Royer is not drafted. But his 15 00:00:47,120 --> 00:00:50,639 Speaker 2: last season of college, one of the storylines, even when 16 00:00:50,680 --> 00:00:53,600 Speaker 2: the Bearcats were playing well in September and October, was 17 00:00:53,960 --> 00:00:56,760 Speaker 2: man like everybody says, this is one of the very 18 00:00:56,760 --> 00:00:59,120 Speaker 2: best tight ends in the country, but it feels like 19 00:00:59,160 --> 00:01:02,560 Speaker 2: they never throw the football. And then is November unfolded, 20 00:01:03,120 --> 00:01:07,039 Speaker 2: where you know the offense wasn't as good how many 21 00:01:07,040 --> 00:01:08,920 Speaker 2: times if you're a bear Cat fan, did you go, man, 22 00:01:09,160 --> 00:01:11,880 Speaker 2: why aren't they throwing Joe Royer at the football Joe Royer. 23 00:01:12,400 --> 00:01:15,320 Speaker 2: I don't believe NFL people will hold that against him, 24 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:20,360 Speaker 2: at least smart NFL people won't hold that against him. 25 00:01:20,800 --> 00:01:22,520 Speaker 2: But I do think when it comes to stuff like 26 00:01:22,600 --> 00:01:25,600 Speaker 2: postseason Big twelve, accolades, et cetera. 27 00:01:26,800 --> 00:01:27,320 Speaker 3: It hurt him. 28 00:01:27,360 --> 00:01:29,920 Speaker 2: I don't actually believe that Joe Royer is going to 29 00:01:29,959 --> 00:01:33,080 Speaker 2: sue Brendan Sorosby. I cannot believe I've gotten two emails 30 00:01:33,080 --> 00:01:37,399 Speaker 2: about this since two forty five this afternoon. No, it's 31 00:01:37,560 --> 00:01:41,800 Speaker 2: it's lightheartedness, it's fun might not have been funny first 32 00:01:41,800 --> 00:01:44,720 Speaker 2: to admit many of the things that come out of 33 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:50,000 Speaker 2: my mouth and aren't that funny, but haha, laugh, lighting up, 34 00:01:50,080 --> 00:01:52,840 Speaker 2: thank you. Reds are playing the Padres today. The game 35 00:01:52,920 --> 00:01:54,760 Speaker 2: is in Goodyear. Top of the fourth inning, it is 36 00:01:54,800 --> 00:01:59,120 Speaker 2: a tied at three. Cincinnati got three in the bottom 37 00:01:59,240 --> 00:02:03,160 Speaker 2: of the second inning. Chase Burns started for Cincinnati, and 38 00:02:03,480 --> 00:02:05,400 Speaker 2: we'll tell you how he did. In just a second. 39 00:02:06,600 --> 00:02:10,560 Speaker 2: The Rads got their runs because Will Banfield drove in 40 00:02:10,600 --> 00:02:13,200 Speaker 2: all three with a basis clearing double. Chase Burns two 41 00:02:13,240 --> 00:02:17,040 Speaker 2: and a third, gave up two hits, struck out five, 42 00:02:17,200 --> 00:02:21,079 Speaker 2: walk two, and currently on the mound for Cincinnati is 43 00:02:21,320 --> 00:02:23,440 Speaker 2: Chase Benny after Nick Sando gave up a couple of 44 00:02:23,520 --> 00:02:26,320 Speaker 2: runs three to three. Top three Reds are the home 45 00:02:26,360 --> 00:02:28,919 Speaker 2: team today in good You remember a couple of weeks 46 00:02:28,960 --> 00:02:32,360 Speaker 2: ago we found out that the NFLPA was told by 47 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:37,320 Speaker 2: a judge that you can't publicize your report cards. So 48 00:02:37,960 --> 00:02:41,840 Speaker 2: every year, for like four years now, the NFL surveys 49 00:02:41,880 --> 00:02:45,320 Speaker 2: it's players, every player who's been on an active roster 50 00:02:45,480 --> 00:02:48,880 Speaker 2: during a season. Some choose to participate, some choose not 51 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:53,080 Speaker 2: to participate, but they conduct surveys of all their players. 52 00:02:53,120 --> 00:02:54,040 Speaker 3: So this year. 53 00:02:55,720 --> 00:03:00,240 Speaker 2: The survey got responses from over seventeen hundred players. Ayers 54 00:03:00,240 --> 00:03:02,560 Speaker 2: who were on a twenty twenty five roster at the 55 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:05,640 Speaker 2: time of the survey were eligible to participate. The survey 56 00:03:05,720 --> 00:03:10,880 Speaker 2: this year was conducted from November two to December eleventh. Now, 57 00:03:10,880 --> 00:03:13,960 Speaker 2: a court, federal court said about a month ago that 58 00:03:14,080 --> 00:03:20,359 Speaker 2: the NFLPA is not allowed to release officially release these grades. 59 00:03:21,639 --> 00:03:28,359 Speaker 2: Owners filed a grievance and the owners won their grievance, So. 60 00:03:30,200 --> 00:03:30,919 Speaker 3: It was an arbor. 61 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:33,440 Speaker 2: It wasn't a federal judge an arbiter, ruled that you 62 00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:40,560 Speaker 2: can't release the grades, but ambitious and industrious reporters are 63 00:03:40,640 --> 00:03:43,720 Speaker 2: certainly free to hunt them down. And I think what 64 00:03:43,840 --> 00:03:48,320 Speaker 2: most of us concluded was the NFLPA may not officially 65 00:03:48,400 --> 00:03:51,200 Speaker 2: release the grades, but we're gonna find out what they 66 00:03:51,280 --> 00:03:55,160 Speaker 2: are anyway, because someone's going to leak them to a reporter. Well, 67 00:03:56,400 --> 00:04:00,000 Speaker 2: Kaylan Kaylor, and if I am mispronouncing Klin's last name, 68 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:03,840 Speaker 2: my apologies. It's either Kaylan Kaylor or Kaylen Koller. She 69 00:04:04,160 --> 00:04:10,440 Speaker 2: has obtained the NFLPA report card. Miami ranks number one 70 00:04:10,480 --> 00:04:15,200 Speaker 2: for the third year in a row. I'm gonna read 71 00:04:15,280 --> 00:04:20,440 Speaker 2: for you, and I haven't seen the entire survey results, 72 00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:24,359 Speaker 2: so I cannot tell you where the Bengals rank. But 73 00:04:24,400 --> 00:04:26,560 Speaker 2: I'm gonna read something for you here, Oken, I want 74 00:04:26,560 --> 00:04:29,159 Speaker 2: you to tell me which NFL team I am more 75 00:04:29,320 --> 00:04:30,360 Speaker 2: likely to be talking about. 76 00:04:30,400 --> 00:04:35,400 Speaker 3: Okay, uh, let's see. Let's see. Let's see. Scrolling through 77 00:04:35,400 --> 00:04:37,480 Speaker 3: the story right here at ESPN dot. 78 00:04:37,279 --> 00:04:46,160 Speaker 2: Com, this particular team received low grades in several categories. 79 00:04:46,160 --> 00:04:50,320 Speaker 2: According to the results obtained by ESPN. I'm leaving out 80 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:54,599 Speaker 2: the name of the team. This owner ranks last in 81 00:04:54,640 --> 00:04:58,440 Speaker 2: the league for willingness to invest in facilities, a trend 82 00:04:58,480 --> 00:05:01,719 Speaker 2: reflected in this team's poor facility ratings across the board. 83 00:05:03,040 --> 00:05:05,840 Speaker 2: In a new category added this year, this team had 84 00:05:05,839 --> 00:05:08,240 Speaker 2: the lowest rated home field in the league by a 85 00:05:08,279 --> 00:05:12,680 Speaker 2: wide margin. Players cite the inadequate maintenance and excessive war 86 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:17,279 Speaker 2: from hosting other events. Players across the league note the 87 00:05:17,279 --> 00:05:19,719 Speaker 2: poor condition of the field and emphasized the need for 88 00:05:19,760 --> 00:05:23,159 Speaker 2: investment to bring it up to standard. This team's locker 89 00:05:23,240 --> 00:05:29,000 Speaker 2: room graded an F this team, according to players. They 90 00:05:29,040 --> 00:05:32,920 Speaker 2: report that this team's training room lacks updated recovery technology 91 00:05:33,200 --> 00:05:37,960 Speaker 2: and modalities. This team strength coaches ranked last in the NFL, 92 00:05:40,720 --> 00:05:43,360 Speaker 2: says this team quote, we are not going to comment 93 00:05:43,400 --> 00:05:46,000 Speaker 2: on a report that we have not seen in its entirety. 94 00:05:46,080 --> 00:05:50,080 Speaker 3: Now, who does that sound like? Who does that sound like? 95 00:05:52,200 --> 00:05:54,440 Speaker 2: You might be going, wait a minute, that kind of 96 00:05:54,480 --> 00:05:56,680 Speaker 2: sounds like the Bengals old though they don't have a 97 00:05:56,800 --> 00:05:59,479 Speaker 2: ton of events at their stadium and the field's not 98 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:01,880 Speaker 2: real great, so the field can't be that bad. But 99 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:07,839 Speaker 2: like outdated facilities, poor conditions, bad locker room. By the way, 100 00:06:07,880 --> 00:06:11,000 Speaker 2: this team only five bathroom stalls for the entire team. 101 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:15,800 Speaker 2: Training room lacks what it needs. He might be going 102 00:06:15,839 --> 00:06:20,360 Speaker 2: that kind of sounds like the Bengals. It's the Pittsburgh Steelers. 103 00:06:24,120 --> 00:06:28,760 Speaker 2: The Pittsburgh Steelers finished in last place for the first 104 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:32,360 Speaker 2: time in the four year history of this survey. Last place. 105 00:06:33,640 --> 00:06:36,599 Speaker 2: Last year Pittsburgh was twenty eighth. Cardinals finished thirty first 106 00:06:37,160 --> 00:06:39,680 Speaker 2: after a last place finished last year. The Browns finished 107 00:06:39,680 --> 00:06:42,599 Speaker 2: in thirtieth, same as twenty twenty five. Again, I'm reading 108 00:06:42,640 --> 00:06:47,320 Speaker 2: from Kaylen Coller story ESPN, and she doesn't have the 109 00:06:47,360 --> 00:06:50,080 Speaker 2: full list of all the grades, so I can't tell 110 00:06:50,120 --> 00:06:52,640 Speaker 2: you where the Bengals are. The Bengals may rank poorly. 111 00:06:52,680 --> 00:06:56,080 Speaker 2: I don't know if you remember last year they got 112 00:06:56,120 --> 00:06:59,360 Speaker 2: mocked for finishing pretty low. I believe as it relates 113 00:06:59,400 --> 00:07:03,760 Speaker 2: to like treatment of families, that sort of stuff. But 114 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:06,000 Speaker 2: I was thinking about this as I was reading back 115 00:07:06,279 --> 00:07:09,479 Speaker 2: toward the end of the season. The Steelers lose in 116 00:07:09,520 --> 00:07:14,800 Speaker 2: the postseason again and Mike Tomlin leaves, and it sort 117 00:07:14,800 --> 00:07:16,680 Speaker 2: of felt like it was time I made the comment 118 00:07:16,760 --> 00:07:20,240 Speaker 2: that I feel like there are more similarities between the 119 00:07:20,280 --> 00:07:23,760 Speaker 2: Bengals and the Pittsburgh Steelers than many would care to 120 00:07:23,840 --> 00:07:26,880 Speaker 2: realize or care to admit. And the reason I say 121 00:07:26,920 --> 00:07:30,840 Speaker 2: that is I'm not around the Pittsburgh Steelers, but you 122 00:07:30,920 --> 00:07:33,720 Speaker 2: listen to people who cover Pittsburgh football, you listen to 123 00:07:33,760 --> 00:07:36,560 Speaker 2: people who do sports talk radio in Pittsburgh, you hear 124 00:07:36,640 --> 00:07:41,160 Speaker 2: Pittsburgh Steelers fans. You understand things about that franchise, a 125 00:07:41,200 --> 00:07:43,880 Speaker 2: lot of the same things that people have said about 126 00:07:43,920 --> 00:07:46,800 Speaker 2: the Bengals for years. You know, mom and pop ownership, 127 00:07:47,440 --> 00:07:53,680 Speaker 2: local family run business. The facilities are outmoded, they're kind 128 00:07:53,680 --> 00:07:56,640 Speaker 2: of cheap, they're sort of stubborn and said in their ways, 129 00:07:57,000 --> 00:08:00,320 Speaker 2: there's an unwillingness or inability to kind of get with 130 00:08:00,360 --> 00:08:03,440 Speaker 2: the times. These are all things that have for years 131 00:08:03,480 --> 00:08:08,160 Speaker 2: been said about the Bengals, and sometimes very accurately. They're 132 00:08:08,200 --> 00:08:12,480 Speaker 2: actually often said about the Pittsburgh Steelers. And it's interesting 133 00:08:12,520 --> 00:08:15,280 Speaker 2: to me for two reasons. One is, Pittsburgh has always 134 00:08:15,320 --> 00:08:18,240 Speaker 2: kind of looked up as a barometer, a franchise that 135 00:08:18,280 --> 00:08:20,760 Speaker 2: you should aspire to be like. And there's no questioning 136 00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:24,400 Speaker 2: their stability. That franchise hasn't had a losing season in forever. 137 00:08:24,760 --> 00:08:28,040 Speaker 2: They obviously have Super Bowls in their history, although it's 138 00:08:28,080 --> 00:08:31,040 Speaker 2: a more and more distant history with every passing year. 139 00:08:31,800 --> 00:08:34,280 Speaker 2: But the Steelers are often held up as a franchise 140 00:08:34,360 --> 00:08:37,480 Speaker 2: that everybody, especially in this part of the country, should 141 00:08:37,480 --> 00:08:41,760 Speaker 2: be aspiring to be. Number One, there's been a profound 142 00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:43,320 Speaker 2: lack of postseason success. 143 00:08:43,600 --> 00:08:44,080 Speaker 3: Number two. 144 00:08:45,320 --> 00:08:47,319 Speaker 2: Some of the same criticisms you often hear about the 145 00:08:47,360 --> 00:08:50,320 Speaker 2: Bengals have been applied to the Pittsburgh Steelers number two. 146 00:08:50,360 --> 00:08:53,120 Speaker 2: The second thing that makes this interesting to me is 147 00:08:54,280 --> 00:08:57,080 Speaker 2: I'm far from the first person that you'll ever hear 148 00:08:57,120 --> 00:08:59,679 Speaker 2: who complains about the way the Bengals are talked about nationally. 149 00:08:59,679 --> 00:09:02,160 Speaker 2: In fact, I'm gonna have audio for you later on 150 00:09:02,240 --> 00:09:04,520 Speaker 2: where one one of those dudes on one of those 151 00:09:04,600 --> 00:09:07,679 Speaker 2: cable shows where they scream about sports talks about how 152 00:09:07,720 --> 00:09:09,480 Speaker 2: the Bengals aren't a very good team, and he's not 153 00:09:09,679 --> 00:09:12,440 Speaker 2: necessarily wrong. We'll have that in the five o'clock hour. 154 00:09:13,160 --> 00:09:16,880 Speaker 2: But it is interesting that the Bengals are often a 155 00:09:16,920 --> 00:09:19,719 Speaker 2: punchline whenever things like this come up, because people love 156 00:09:19,720 --> 00:09:22,240 Speaker 2: to talk about their frugality and people love to talk 157 00:09:22,240 --> 00:09:25,400 Speaker 2: about how outdated the Bengals are. I wonder if the 158 00:09:25,400 --> 00:09:31,200 Speaker 2: Pittsburgh Steelers this go round will get treated similarly because 159 00:09:31,280 --> 00:09:34,679 Speaker 2: they are the Steelers. It is the Rooney family. There's 160 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:37,840 Speaker 2: a certain brand there that you know, By the way, 161 00:09:37,880 --> 00:09:40,000 Speaker 2: the way the Pittsburgh Steelers have played in recent years 162 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:42,360 Speaker 2: hasn't necessarily fit the brand. I'm not doing this to 163 00:09:42,400 --> 00:09:44,960 Speaker 2: pick on the Pittsburgh Steelers. I have no incentive to 164 00:09:44,960 --> 00:09:47,600 Speaker 2: pick on the Pittsburgh Steelers. I'm guessing you right now 165 00:09:47,679 --> 00:09:50,840 Speaker 2: could not really care less about the Pittsburgh Steelers. But 166 00:09:50,920 --> 00:09:53,040 Speaker 2: you and I both probably agree that the way the 167 00:09:53,080 --> 00:09:56,960 Speaker 2: two franchises are talked about completely different, even though there's 168 00:09:56,960 --> 00:09:59,960 Speaker 2: actually more similarities between the two than some might be 169 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:05,160 Speaker 2: willing to admit. Like if the Bengals finish dead last 170 00:10:05,480 --> 00:10:08,200 Speaker 2: in this survey, which I don't believe they ever have, 171 00:10:09,320 --> 00:10:10,800 Speaker 2: and I'm not here to tell you the Bengals are 172 00:10:10,800 --> 00:10:13,959 Speaker 2: a perfect organization or run to perfection or anything like that, 173 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:18,800 Speaker 2: But if the Bengals finish dead last, I would be 174 00:10:18,880 --> 00:10:21,880 Speaker 2: willing to met we would be hearing about it from 175 00:10:21,920 --> 00:10:26,880 Speaker 2: folks here and around the country. Will we be hearing 176 00:10:26,920 --> 00:10:28,960 Speaker 2: about it from people around the country when it comes 177 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:36,200 Speaker 2: to the vaunted venerable Pittsburgh Steelers, Like if I read 178 00:10:36,240 --> 00:10:37,960 Speaker 2: those quotes and I leave out the name of the 179 00:10:37,960 --> 00:10:41,320 Speaker 2: franchise and you know nothing about either the Bengals or 180 00:10:41,360 --> 00:10:44,839 Speaker 2: the Steelers, you would probably assume I'm talking about Cincinnati. 181 00:10:46,400 --> 00:10:48,360 Speaker 4: It's talking about Pittsburgh. 182 00:10:48,440 --> 00:10:51,640 Speaker 2: So I bring this up a it's kind of fun 183 00:10:51,679 --> 00:10:55,360 Speaker 2: to punch away at the Steelers b I think I'm 184 00:10:55,440 --> 00:10:59,360 Speaker 2: right about this. There are more similarities between those two franchises. 185 00:10:59,400 --> 00:11:02,160 Speaker 2: I'm not talking about their history, not talking about what 186 00:11:02,200 --> 00:11:04,840 Speaker 2: they were in the seventies or the nineties, or not 187 00:11:04,880 --> 00:11:07,680 Speaker 2: talking about Super Bowls that were won two decades ago, 188 00:11:08,320 --> 00:11:12,559 Speaker 2: talking about the way they've been run recently. There are 189 00:11:12,559 --> 00:11:15,880 Speaker 2: more similarities between those two franchises than one might be 190 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:21,920 Speaker 2: even willing to realize or certainly willing to admit. And 191 00:11:22,040 --> 00:11:24,320 Speaker 2: I do think it will be fascinating to see if 192 00:11:24,320 --> 00:11:26,960 Speaker 2: the Steelers get the level of criticism the Bengals would 193 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:30,000 Speaker 2: have gotten had they finished dead last in this survey. 194 00:11:30,080 --> 00:11:32,520 Speaker 2: By the way, Bengals may have done very poorly in 195 00:11:32,520 --> 00:11:35,320 Speaker 2: the survey, I don't know. But the headline is about 196 00:11:35,360 --> 00:11:37,439 Speaker 2: the Pittsburgh Steelers, and then I'm sure the rest of 197 00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:40,880 Speaker 2: the results will be released, assuming the journalists here has them. 198 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:44,640 Speaker 2: But what I'm reading about the Steelers and what players 199 00:11:45,280 --> 00:11:50,440 Speaker 2: have had to say about facilities and things of that nature, 200 00:11:51,440 --> 00:11:53,880 Speaker 2: they read an awful lot like things we've read about 201 00:11:53,920 --> 00:11:56,160 Speaker 2: the Bengals in the past. When we've read them about 202 00:11:56,160 --> 00:11:58,559 Speaker 2: the Bengals in the past, they get crushed. 203 00:12:00,040 --> 00:12:01,079 Speaker 3: Dealers get crushed. 204 00:12:01,360 --> 00:12:04,679 Speaker 2: Seventeen after four, Sam brookhows is going to join a 205 00:12:04,720 --> 00:12:07,800 Speaker 2: summer sports dot com from the Combine. We'll ask him 206 00:12:07,840 --> 00:12:12,280 Speaker 2: about Reuben Bain's arm length. He's got historically short arms. 207 00:12:12,400 --> 00:12:14,960 Speaker 2: Should it matter? Sam will tell us coming up in 208 00:12:15,360 --> 00:12:18,920 Speaker 2: just about fifteen minutes on ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports. 209 00:12:18,600 --> 00:12:22,600 Speaker 1: Station Cincinnati's ESPN fifteen thirty. 210 00:12:23,600 --> 00:12:27,400 Speaker 5: Traffic from the UCE Health Traffic Center at u See Health. 211 00:12:27,480 --> 00:12:30,040 Speaker 5: They never miss a beat. Your heart shouldn't either. If 212 00:12:30,080 --> 00:12:32,760 Speaker 5: you have signs of a cardiac rhythm disorder, don't wait 213 00:12:32,800 --> 00:12:36,600 Speaker 5: to be seen. Schedule online at UCHealth dot com. 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We got burgers and wings delivered to the 224 00:13:11,640 --> 00:13:15,160 Speaker 2: radio station from the folks that Smoke Justice, and we 225 00:13:15,240 --> 00:13:18,520 Speaker 2: are excited. We mentioned this on since E three sixty earlier. 226 00:13:18,559 --> 00:13:22,240 Speaker 2: Today we're stoked. We have broadcast from a Smoke Justice 227 00:13:22,280 --> 00:13:25,079 Speaker 2: on opening day, I believe ever since the first year 228 00:13:25,120 --> 00:13:28,720 Speaker 2: that Smoke Justice opened, and we're back again this year. 229 00:13:28,760 --> 00:13:31,760 Speaker 2: This is always a blast. It's since e three sixty, 230 00:13:31,800 --> 00:13:34,920 Speaker 2: Tony Pikes since E three sixty, but I get to 231 00:13:34,920 --> 00:13:36,360 Speaker 2: be a part of it. This is the one time 232 00:13:36,400 --> 00:13:38,720 Speaker 2: of year where the three of us get a chance 233 00:13:38,760 --> 00:13:39,720 Speaker 2: to broadcast together. 234 00:13:39,760 --> 00:13:41,000 Speaker 3: We are on from noon to three. 235 00:13:41,080 --> 00:13:42,960 Speaker 2: The game is at four to ten, blocking a bridge 236 00:13:42,960 --> 00:13:45,840 Speaker 2: away from the ballpark, and it's going to be an 237 00:13:45,880 --> 00:13:48,400 Speaker 2: absolute blast. The folks that Smoke Justice are so good 238 00:13:48,400 --> 00:13:52,000 Speaker 2: to us. It is a great venue. It's a great 239 00:13:52,080 --> 00:13:54,960 Speaker 2: venue for anything, but it's obviously a great venue for 240 00:13:55,200 --> 00:13:55,840 Speaker 2: opening day. 241 00:13:55,920 --> 00:13:58,640 Speaker 3: You can get something to eat. We've got the bourbon room. 242 00:13:59,320 --> 00:14:01,200 Speaker 2: I'm not sure there's place in the Tri State area 243 00:14:01,200 --> 00:14:03,720 Speaker 2: that has a more impressive bourbon collection than Smoke Justice. 244 00:14:04,240 --> 00:14:06,760 Speaker 2: And it's a great place to be on opening day. 245 00:14:06,800 --> 00:14:08,480 Speaker 2: We hope to see you there and again you go 246 00:14:08,480 --> 00:14:10,400 Speaker 2: to Smoke Justice, you can be at the ballpark in 247 00:14:10,480 --> 00:14:12,760 Speaker 2: like ten minutes after you walk across the bridge. That's 248 00:14:12,800 --> 00:14:16,240 Speaker 2: why we say it's a block and a bridge away 249 00:14:16,280 --> 00:14:19,600 Speaker 2: from Great American Ballpark. So we'll see you there on Thursday, 250 00:14:19,760 --> 00:14:22,760 Speaker 2: March the twenty sixth. That show will be from noon 251 00:14:22,800 --> 00:14:25,240 Speaker 2: to three on opening day, just like every year. It's 252 00:14:25,280 --> 00:14:30,000 Speaker 2: gonna be awesome. Also coming up, the Bonded Spirit Bluegrass 253 00:14:30,040 --> 00:14:33,680 Speaker 2: Festival is coming up, and Smoke Justice is putting this on. 254 00:14:33,960 --> 00:14:37,160 Speaker 2: They are joining a whole lot of different businesses and 255 00:14:37,200 --> 00:14:40,440 Speaker 2: coming toon other establishments as well, and it's an event 256 00:14:40,480 --> 00:14:43,720 Speaker 2: that there. There's gonna be stuff happening on the third 257 00:14:43,840 --> 00:14:49,000 Speaker 2: and fourth, which is let's see, that's Wednesday, Thursday of 258 00:14:49,120 --> 00:14:56,240 Speaker 2: next week. But the headliners are Friday and Saturday. You've 259 00:14:56,280 --> 00:14:59,200 Speaker 2: got the free b Line concert starting on Friday afternoon 260 00:14:59,320 --> 00:15:02,560 Speaker 2: and then the main event show on Saturday. You're gonna 261 00:15:02,600 --> 00:15:06,400 Speaker 2: have four acts on Friday, free on Saturday. If you 262 00:15:06,480 --> 00:15:09,960 Speaker 2: love music, if you love bluegrass music, this is gonna 263 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:11,120 Speaker 2: be awesome. 264 00:15:11,640 --> 00:15:14,960 Speaker 3: And by the way, there's gonna be tons and tons 265 00:15:14,960 --> 00:15:15,600 Speaker 3: and tons of. 266 00:15:15,560 --> 00:15:18,480 Speaker 2: Bourbon like to me, that's that's kind of the centerpiece 267 00:15:18,520 --> 00:15:22,320 Speaker 2: of the entire event. So tickets are available, there's not 268 00:15:22,440 --> 00:15:24,400 Speaker 2: a ton left, so you're gonna wanna jump on this. 269 00:15:24,680 --> 00:15:28,000 Speaker 2: Go to Bondedspirit dot com. Gates on Friday open at 270 00:15:28,040 --> 00:15:31,960 Speaker 2: three that's March the sixth, and then on Saturday, gates 271 00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:34,280 Speaker 2: open at four o'clock. That's obviously the next day on 272 00:15:34,360 --> 00:15:38,320 Speaker 2: March seventh, and there's events happening on the third and 273 00:15:38,440 --> 00:15:40,920 Speaker 2: the fourth as well. But you're gonna want to check 274 00:15:40,920 --> 00:15:45,120 Speaker 2: it out Bondedspirit dot com. That's Bonded Spirit dot com. 275 00:15:45,200 --> 00:15:48,360 Speaker 2: And it's gonna be it's gonna be really cool. So again, 276 00:15:48,400 --> 00:15:51,400 Speaker 2: thanks to the folks that smoke Justice, A for the food, 277 00:15:51,840 --> 00:15:55,240 Speaker 2: b for having us on opening day, and C for 278 00:15:55,320 --> 00:15:57,600 Speaker 2: putting on this event which is gonna be a lot 279 00:15:57,600 --> 00:16:01,760 Speaker 2: of fun. Officially March third through. The b Line Community 280 00:16:01,800 --> 00:16:04,000 Speaker 2: Concert's going to be on the sixth, The Bonded Spirit 281 00:16:04,040 --> 00:16:06,040 Speaker 2: main event is going to be on the seventh, and 282 00:16:06,120 --> 00:16:08,080 Speaker 2: you can learn about the bands, you can learn about 283 00:16:08,120 --> 00:16:12,520 Speaker 2: everything that's going to be happening in Covington Bondedspirit dot Com. 284 00:16:12,800 --> 00:16:17,560 Speaker 2: That's Bondedspirit dot com. If you love bourbon, you will 285 00:16:17,640 --> 00:16:21,040 Speaker 2: love this event just as much as you love smoke. 286 00:16:21,280 --> 00:16:26,200 Speaker 2: Justice Bondedspirit dot Com can't wait for Opening Day. By 287 00:16:26,200 --> 00:16:28,640 Speaker 2: the way, rad speaking of Opening Day, Reds are playing 288 00:16:28,760 --> 00:16:31,360 Speaker 2: today in a goodyear. Top of the fifth inning, three 289 00:16:31,440 --> 00:16:35,160 Speaker 2: all against the San Diego Padres. Chase Burns made his 290 00:16:35,520 --> 00:16:38,160 Speaker 2: second start of the spring for Cincinnati and it went 291 00:16:39,640 --> 00:16:44,040 Speaker 2: okay ish, I guess, wild pitch, couple of hits, two 292 00:16:44,040 --> 00:16:46,080 Speaker 2: walks on the bad side the good side, just one 293 00:16:46,160 --> 00:16:50,040 Speaker 2: run and struck out five. More on that coming up 294 00:16:50,040 --> 00:16:53,320 Speaker 2: here in in just a bit. I'm not here to 295 00:16:53,360 --> 00:16:55,800 Speaker 2: take up for the Bengals. When the Bengals deserve criticism, 296 00:16:56,240 --> 00:16:58,360 Speaker 2: I'd give it to you. I just I feel like 297 00:16:58,480 --> 00:17:01,040 Speaker 2: sometimes what they do gets framed in a way that 298 00:17:01,880 --> 00:17:07,320 Speaker 2: at times is unfair. At times it's unfair, you know, 299 00:17:07,640 --> 00:17:13,080 Speaker 2: when when they don't retain a player, it's they're being cheap. 300 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:17,000 Speaker 2: And I'm not sure it's always frugality, right. They've they've 301 00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:19,000 Speaker 2: paid a lot of guys a lot of money. They've 302 00:17:19,040 --> 00:17:21,959 Speaker 2: paid a lot of players very good fair market deals. 303 00:17:22,359 --> 00:17:24,720 Speaker 2: Aj Green, at one point, for about five minutes, was 304 00:17:24,760 --> 00:17:27,920 Speaker 2: the highest paid player at his position. Geno Atkins was too. 305 00:17:28,320 --> 00:17:32,560 Speaker 2: DJ Reader was the highest paid interior defensive lineman free 306 00:17:32,600 --> 00:17:35,879 Speaker 2: agent signee of all time. Joe Burrow, for about two minutes, 307 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:38,680 Speaker 2: was the highest paid player in the league. Jamar Chase 308 00:17:38,720 --> 00:17:41,239 Speaker 2: was the highest paid non quarterback in the league. Do 309 00:17:41,320 --> 00:17:44,520 Speaker 2: they make some bad decisions, yes. Do they make some 310 00:17:44,600 --> 00:17:47,359 Speaker 2: decisions that have just had a huge ripple effect that 311 00:17:47,400 --> 00:17:48,399 Speaker 2: they haven't been able to stop. 312 00:17:48,520 --> 00:17:50,000 Speaker 3: Yes, But I just I. 313 00:17:49,920 --> 00:17:52,760 Speaker 2: Feel like whenever the Bengals go in the wrong direction 314 00:17:52,920 --> 00:17:55,600 Speaker 2: or don't get it right, it just it gets pinned 315 00:17:55,640 --> 00:18:01,159 Speaker 2: as something that it's not outdated, outmoded, stubborn, frugal. A 316 00:18:01,200 --> 00:18:03,520 Speaker 2: lot of those same criticisms seem to apply to the 317 00:18:03,520 --> 00:18:06,840 Speaker 2: Pittsburgh Steelers, and now their own players are telling you 318 00:18:06,880 --> 00:18:10,880 Speaker 2: as much. We'll see how it gets talked about. We'll 319 00:18:10,880 --> 00:18:13,520 Speaker 2: see how it gets talked about. Your phone calls are 320 00:18:13,600 --> 00:18:15,880 Speaker 2: coming up here. In just a bit five one, three, seven, four, nine, 321 00:18:15,920 --> 00:18:18,600 Speaker 2: fifteen thirty ad Justin five of the Cyclones is set 322 00:18:18,960 --> 00:18:22,040 Speaker 2: to become the franchises all time leader in points. He 323 00:18:22,119 --> 00:18:24,119 Speaker 2: is going to join us at five twenty. But now 324 00:18:24,600 --> 00:18:26,920 Speaker 2: next I should say, we're gonna go to what Indie 325 00:18:26,960 --> 00:18:29,359 Speaker 2: the combine is happening. Our guy Sam Brookhouse from a 326 00:18:29,480 --> 00:18:33,000 Speaker 2: Sumer Sports is there. He joins us next on ESPN 327 00:18:33,040 --> 00:18:34,760 Speaker 2: fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports. 328 00:18:34,440 --> 00:18:40,800 Speaker 1: Station, Cincinnati's ESPN fifteen thirty Traffic. 329 00:18:40,560 --> 00:18:43,720 Speaker 5: From the UC Health Traffic Center at you See Health. 330 00:18:43,760 --> 00:18:46,280 Speaker 5: They never miss a beat. Your heart shouldn't either. If 331 00:18:46,320 --> 00:18:49,040 Speaker 5: you have signs of a cardiac rhythm disorder, don't wait 332 00:18:49,080 --> 00:18:53,080 Speaker 5: to be seen. Schedule online at ucehealth dot com. 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I'm at Ezelic with traffic teen. 338 00:19:10,400 --> 00:19:14,040 Speaker 2: Thirty d NFL combine is happening in India this week, 339 00:19:14,080 --> 00:19:17,880 Speaker 2: which is where the crew at Suomer Sports is posted up. 340 00:19:17,920 --> 00:19:22,160 Speaker 2: And Sam Brookhouse, who is with Suomer Sports and wrote 341 00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:24,439 Speaker 2: a piece or contributed to a piece at least that 342 00:19:24,480 --> 00:19:27,560 Speaker 2: we referenced on yesterday's show, he is kind enough to 343 00:19:27,640 --> 00:19:29,920 Speaker 2: join us from the combine. Sam, what's going on? 344 00:19:31,400 --> 00:19:34,199 Speaker 6: Hey, I'm here at the combine and Honestly, this is 345 00:19:34,240 --> 00:19:35,360 Speaker 6: my favorite event of the year. 346 00:19:35,359 --> 00:19:36,360 Speaker 4: And the reason why. 347 00:19:36,200 --> 00:19:38,359 Speaker 6: Is because as a data scientist, it's my job to 348 00:19:38,400 --> 00:19:41,000 Speaker 6: gather data points, and I'm able to get so many 349 00:19:41,040 --> 00:19:46,120 Speaker 6: good data points from analysts and agents and team guys 350 00:19:46,240 --> 00:19:48,520 Speaker 6: and et cetera, et cetera on this draft laff, I'm 351 00:19:48,520 --> 00:19:49,159 Speaker 6: happy to talk. 352 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:52,719 Speaker 2: About here how much should I care about Reuben Bain's 353 00:19:52,840 --> 00:19:53,439 Speaker 2: arm size? 354 00:19:55,840 --> 00:19:58,480 Speaker 6: So look, I mean there's like broad what I call 355 00:19:58,560 --> 00:20:02,160 Speaker 6: broadcast stats, like the first time since X and something since. 356 00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:05,600 Speaker 6: Why I believe the statistic that's floating around is that 357 00:20:05,800 --> 00:20:09,000 Speaker 6: a player with that arm lest or below that arm 358 00:20:09,080 --> 00:20:13,959 Speaker 6: list has not seen a ten stacked season in like 359 00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:16,840 Speaker 6: twenty years or something like that. That being said, you 360 00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:17,320 Speaker 6: look at his. 361 00:20:17,320 --> 00:20:18,520 Speaker 4: Wingspan, it's actually not. 362 00:20:18,520 --> 00:20:21,080 Speaker 6: That bad and you try to consider what Ruben Bain 363 00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:22,600 Speaker 6: did and it reminds me a lot of the Will 364 00:20:22,600 --> 00:20:26,399 Speaker 6: Campbell stuff from last year. And realistically, we're hard on 365 00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:29,360 Speaker 6: Will Campbell because of his performance in the Super Bowl. 366 00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:31,840 Speaker 6: But who doesn't look bad when Mike McDonald is scheming 367 00:20:31,960 --> 00:20:35,800 Speaker 6: up against you? And also Drake may himself as a 368 00:20:35,920 --> 00:20:40,120 Speaker 6: high sack player and sometimes invites pressure by moving. 369 00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:41,720 Speaker 4: Up in the pocket and dropping deep. 370 00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:44,240 Speaker 6: So there are elements of Will Campbell. But I guarantee 371 00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:46,400 Speaker 6: you if you go ask Mike Brabile if he could 372 00:20:46,440 --> 00:20:48,600 Speaker 6: have gotten quality start after quality start out of Will 373 00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:50,520 Speaker 6: Campbell like he did for the majority of this year, 374 00:20:50,520 --> 00:20:52,159 Speaker 6: if he would still take him at three, he would. 375 00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:54,399 Speaker 6: And so I think there are certain players that you 376 00:20:54,600 --> 00:20:57,919 Speaker 6: just have to make you have to make exceptions for, 377 00:20:58,160 --> 00:21:00,280 Speaker 6: and in my opinion, that is Ruben Bain because we 378 00:21:00,359 --> 00:21:03,520 Speaker 6: have seen multiple blue chip analytical traits from him, and 379 00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:06,359 Speaker 6: typically that means that you're a pretty good prospect. So 380 00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:09,680 Speaker 6: if the arms aren't as long as they need to be, 381 00:21:10,080 --> 00:21:14,439 Speaker 6: Bain has clearly figured it out, operated around it, and 382 00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:19,000 Speaker 6: succeeded at the power flog level. And so I think 383 00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:21,560 Speaker 6: given that production profile, which is up there with the 384 00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:25,200 Speaker 6: likes of Aiden Hutchinson and others, I do think he's 385 00:21:25,359 --> 00:21:27,359 Speaker 6: a top tier blue chip player in this draft. 386 00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:31,919 Speaker 2: You love data, and this week you can swim in 387 00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:34,600 Speaker 2: all the data coming out of the combine. What data 388 00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:37,040 Speaker 2: this week should I be paying attention to the most? 389 00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:40,760 Speaker 6: Yeah, the reality of the situation is when you're looking 390 00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:44,640 Speaker 6: at the actual athletic drills, which everyone is watching right now, 391 00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:47,800 Speaker 6: and everyone will be watching throughout the weekend. If I 392 00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:50,280 Speaker 6: had to rank it out of ten how much I care, 393 00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:54,960 Speaker 6: or rather how predictive it is of future performance, I'll 394 00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:57,720 Speaker 6: rank it about a three of ten. Now, what does 395 00:21:57,760 --> 00:21:58,160 Speaker 6: that mean. 396 00:21:58,240 --> 00:22:00,760 Speaker 4: It means. It means it is an It's not a 397 00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:01,520 Speaker 4: one or a zero. 398 00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:05,720 Speaker 6: It's enough to care about, but it's certainly a part 399 00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:07,399 Speaker 6: of the puzzle, and it's not a massive part of 400 00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:09,040 Speaker 6: the puzzle. The way I like to describe it is 401 00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:12,119 Speaker 6: if you are within a blue hip grade in a 402 00:22:12,119 --> 00:22:14,560 Speaker 6: scouting system, which basically means you expect a player to 403 00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:18,320 Speaker 6: be a Pro Bowl or an All Pro, or looking 404 00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:19,480 Speaker 6: at some of the other grades, you think that you 405 00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:21,480 Speaker 6: could be a starter or a backup or something like that. 406 00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:24,880 Speaker 6: You may move someone with the exact same grade up 407 00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:27,440 Speaker 6: a spot on your big board because of his forty 408 00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:30,480 Speaker 6: yard dash if you're a defensive end, for example, or 409 00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:35,400 Speaker 6: because of his short shuttle if you're a if you're 410 00:22:35,440 --> 00:22:38,280 Speaker 6: an interior offensive line, and maybe you'll do that, but 411 00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:40,400 Speaker 6: in reality, it's still a three out of ten. 412 00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:41,600 Speaker 4: That's my true belief. 413 00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:44,159 Speaker 6: That's what the correlations show, and I think that is 414 00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:46,800 Speaker 6: what you got to look at during the combine. 415 00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:51,600 Speaker 2: At which position can the combine best predict future success 416 00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:52,280 Speaker 2: for these guys. 417 00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:56,439 Speaker 6: Yeah, so if you're looking at the maximum, So if 418 00:22:56,480 --> 00:22:58,280 Speaker 6: you're looking at the forty yard dash, what can I 419 00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:01,240 Speaker 6: most clean from that? That's little inside linebacker position. The 420 00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:03,840 Speaker 6: problem is most of the other drills are pretty useless 421 00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:06,720 Speaker 6: for inside backers. So if you're looking on average, it's 422 00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:09,160 Speaker 6: the offensive line. And boy are we happy that it's 423 00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:12,399 Speaker 6: the offensive line, because it's difficult to find other data 424 00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:16,240 Speaker 6: points that can really help us. Historically, I'm talking going 425 00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:19,280 Speaker 6: back twenty thirty years. Historically, it's hard to find other 426 00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:23,879 Speaker 6: data points that can compare and contrast offensive linemen. So 427 00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:28,320 Speaker 6: it's about a two point seven across all of offensive 428 00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:33,119 Speaker 6: line metrics and particularly tackles. The adage from the scouting 429 00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:36,679 Speaker 6: community draft athletic tackles does not come from nowhere. It 430 00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:39,240 Speaker 6: actually shows up in that historical combine data going back 431 00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:42,600 Speaker 6: twenty or thirty years. It shows that when you get 432 00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:44,800 Speaker 6: can get fast tackles, and you can get tackles that 433 00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:49,120 Speaker 6: can move, as evidenced by the athletic tests, it actually 434 00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:51,919 Speaker 6: means something good. It can nudge you up in the 435 00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:55,439 Speaker 6: big board, and it can predict slightly. It can be 436 00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:58,080 Speaker 6: a part of your prediction for your performance at the 437 00:23:58,119 --> 00:23:58,919 Speaker 6: next level. 438 00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:02,240 Speaker 3: Broke outse from summer sports is with us. 439 00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:05,879 Speaker 2: The Combine in Indianapolis is happening right now. 440 00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:08,560 Speaker 3: How often do you go you know, you and I talked. 441 00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:10,280 Speaker 2: You were at the Senior Bowl, right So that's when 442 00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:12,440 Speaker 2: you start to get a sense of, you know, at 443 00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:15,720 Speaker 2: which position is the class of players deep? At which 444 00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:18,840 Speaker 2: position is there may be not as many high end prospects. 445 00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:21,400 Speaker 3: How often do you go into the combine. 446 00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:24,199 Speaker 2: Thinking one thing about players at a certain position or 447 00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:26,199 Speaker 2: maybe a class as a whole, and then come out 448 00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:27,320 Speaker 2: of it feeling a different way. 449 00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:29,600 Speaker 4: It happens quite a bit. 450 00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:31,960 Speaker 6: And again, like I'm a data scientist, I'm trying to 451 00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:35,639 Speaker 6: figure out the consensus and prove or disprove the consensus 452 00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:37,520 Speaker 6: because that's what the wisdom of the crowd is and 453 00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:40,840 Speaker 6: that's how data is that's used. So I was coming 454 00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:43,320 Speaker 6: into the combine thinking that this was a really good. 455 00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:44,320 Speaker 4: Defensive tackle class. 456 00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:47,040 Speaker 6: And they're on the field right now in Indy as 457 00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:49,719 Speaker 6: I speak to you right now, Guys like Caleb Banks, 458 00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:51,200 Speaker 6: guy like guys like Lee Hunter. 459 00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:55,640 Speaker 4: Uh, there's a big kind of Uh. Kayla McDonald out 460 00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:57,320 Speaker 4: of Ohio State there's a. 461 00:24:57,200 --> 00:25:01,480 Speaker 6: Big number and a big name list of defensive tackles 462 00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:03,800 Speaker 6: that I had in my mind that indicated that this 463 00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:06,320 Speaker 6: was a really good defensive tackle class, and people could 464 00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:11,120 Speaker 6: find a position that it's rising in its premiership due 465 00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:14,159 Speaker 6: to the success of the Mike McDonald defense and the 466 00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:17,080 Speaker 6: big Fangio defenses that like to drop a lot of 467 00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:19,920 Speaker 6: guys back and utilize the defensive tackles to stuff to 468 00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:23,720 Speaker 6: run on first and second down. I don't necessarily think 469 00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:26,399 Speaker 6: that is the consensus case anymore, and I'm interested to 470 00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:27,840 Speaker 6: dive deeper into data to try. 471 00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:28,960 Speaker 4: To prove or disprove that. 472 00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:32,080 Speaker 6: I was noticing that guys like Lee Hunter, for example, 473 00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:34,960 Speaker 6: did not have great data profiles. But what I've kind 474 00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:37,600 Speaker 6: of learned coming in and talking to multiple analysts and 475 00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:40,159 Speaker 6: seeing their data and comparing it to what we have, 476 00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:42,560 Speaker 6: or maybe it's some new pieces of data that some 477 00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:46,040 Speaker 6: people thought to look into, it seems as if this 478 00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:49,160 Speaker 6: could be a really good defensive tackle class, and it's 479 00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:52,879 Speaker 6: a deep class. However, there's probably not any top fifteen 480 00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:56,720 Speaker 6: level players, which means probably not any defensive tackles that 481 00:25:56,720 --> 00:25:59,320 Speaker 6: will end up being all pros on average based on 482 00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:02,840 Speaker 6: their prospect file. In this draft at all, And so 483 00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:04,679 Speaker 6: what does that mean? There's gonna be a lot of 484 00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:07,520 Speaker 6: teams that really struggle to stuff to run that are 485 00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:10,360 Speaker 6: going to be lacking and betting that some of these 486 00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:12,960 Speaker 6: guys that don't have as good of a profile can 487 00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:15,640 Speaker 6: work out for them. That was a radically different thing 488 00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:17,720 Speaker 6: than I thought was going to be the case coming in. 489 00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:19,200 Speaker 4: And now that I've kind. 490 00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:22,119 Speaker 6: Of seen the consensus and seen what the film guys think, 491 00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:24,120 Speaker 6: I'm going to keep digging into this in the next 492 00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:24,680 Speaker 6: couple of weeks. 493 00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:25,320 Speaker 4: Hopefully we'll have. 494 00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:27,920 Speaker 6: An answer by the time we get to the Pro Days. 495 00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:30,480 Speaker 6: But that was definitely something shocking to me and kind 496 00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:34,080 Speaker 6: of changed my hypothesis about what this draft should be. 497 00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:36,240 Speaker 6: And I'm getting ready to test that hypothesis once I 498 00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:36,760 Speaker 6: leave Indy. 499 00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:39,400 Speaker 2: You know, I don't have many folks on this show 500 00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:42,160 Speaker 2: who use the word hypothesis, which is which is why 501 00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:42,679 Speaker 2: we call you. 502 00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:44,480 Speaker 3: Sam. Let me ask you about Caleb Downs. 503 00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:49,480 Speaker 2: So when you just watch him on tape, and I've 504 00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:51,920 Speaker 2: watched really smart people kind of point out some of 505 00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:55,160 Speaker 2: the things he can do, it's I mean, you walk 506 00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:56,760 Speaker 2: away from it, Glenn. I'm not sure there's a better 507 00:26:56,760 --> 00:26:59,320 Speaker 2: football player in this class, but he plays safety, right, 508 00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:02,200 Speaker 2: so the question of positional value comes into play. We've 509 00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:04,800 Speaker 2: talked about him a lot here because the Bengals need 510 00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:07,040 Speaker 2: safety help. If he's there at ten, there's going to 511 00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:08,719 Speaker 2: be a lot of teams that decide, you know what, 512 00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:10,399 Speaker 2: we love him, but we're not going to take a 513 00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:13,040 Speaker 2: safety in the top nine. Maybe the Bengals don't take 514 00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:15,440 Speaker 2: a safety in the top ten. What does data tell 515 00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:17,680 Speaker 2: you about a player like him when you go okay 516 00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:21,000 Speaker 2: on film? He does all these things, but he plays 517 00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:23,960 Speaker 2: a position that is not regarded as a premium position. 518 00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:27,240 Speaker 6: So I think there's a couple things, and I'll start 519 00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:30,840 Speaker 6: off with the premium position comment. I am a data scientist. 520 00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:34,720 Speaker 6: My goal is to value these players, and as a result, 521 00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:37,639 Speaker 6: I would really really struggle to take a safety, a 522 00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:43,400 Speaker 6: running back, or an inside linebacker anywhere, definitely before pick fifteen, 523 00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:46,159 Speaker 6: and in the case of running backs, I really wouldn't 524 00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:47,920 Speaker 6: need to do it in the first round. I'd start 525 00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:52,840 Speaker 6: to consider linebackers around maybe pick twenty, pick twenty five. 526 00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:56,359 Speaker 6: I'd start to consider safety is around pick fifteen. Now 527 00:27:56,560 --> 00:28:00,400 Speaker 6: let's move on into the Caleb Downs discussion. The guy 528 00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:03,800 Speaker 6: who is positionally versatile, can basically do it all. Our 529 00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:06,600 Speaker 6: scouts think that he potentially could even stretch out to cornerback. 530 00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:09,560 Speaker 6: We don't have any data on that, but he has 531 00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:12,119 Speaker 6: basically done it all and done it all well, whether 532 00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:14,120 Speaker 6: that was out of Alabama or whether that was. 533 00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:15,359 Speaker 4: At Ohio State. 534 00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:17,520 Speaker 6: So the data does like him. It thinks he's a 535 00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:22,080 Speaker 6: quality college prospect. Let's go one step further. The consensus 536 00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:26,320 Speaker 6: Big Board this year will likely settle with three players 537 00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:29,639 Speaker 6: at the top who are all non premium positions. 538 00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:30,440 Speaker 4: Number one. 539 00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:31,840 Speaker 6: We've heard a lot of people that think it could 540 00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:33,879 Speaker 6: be Caleb Downs, we think We've talked to a lot 541 00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:36,080 Speaker 6: of people who think it could be Jeremiah Love. And 542 00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:39,520 Speaker 6: then Sonny Styles seems to be I don't know if 543 00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:41,160 Speaker 6: you can call him a riser, but as we. 544 00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:43,480 Speaker 4: Kind of dust off the diamond here. 545 00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:46,240 Speaker 6: On the consensus big Board, it seems that Sonny Styles 546 00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:48,800 Speaker 6: could be in the consensus third best player at his 547 00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:52,440 Speaker 6: position in this draft. Here's what people need to get 548 00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:54,520 Speaker 6: out of their mind though. And I really found this 549 00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:56,320 Speaker 6: out this week and I double checked it with the data, 550 00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:59,120 Speaker 6: and it turns out to be correct. People want to 551 00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:01,000 Speaker 6: go get nick him, and they want to go get 552 00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:03,320 Speaker 6: Kyle Hamilton, they want to go get Derwin James, because 553 00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:06,680 Speaker 6: there's three really really good defenses, and that's three defenses 554 00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:09,200 Speaker 6: that have these kind of big nickel safeties that allow 555 00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:13,920 Speaker 6: teams to play a nickel against thirteen personnel or twelve versonnel. 556 00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:16,760 Speaker 6: Caleb Downs is not that, And I think that's a 557 00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:20,240 Speaker 6: misconception that people really think that because he's positionally versatile, 558 00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:22,760 Speaker 6: he's going to be the type of run defender banger 559 00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:24,840 Speaker 6: that we've seen from those defenses. 560 00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:26,120 Speaker 4: I don't think that's the case. 561 00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:29,520 Speaker 6: I think a better comparable in terms of size that 562 00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:31,520 Speaker 6: I've heard it's someone like Buddha Baker, a guy who 563 00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:34,320 Speaker 6: can make every tackle but isn't necessarily going to be 564 00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:36,000 Speaker 6: acting at like a linebacker or. 565 00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:37,520 Speaker 4: An edge rusher anytime soon. 566 00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:40,160 Speaker 6: So I think that's the misconception. 567 00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:40,320 Speaker 4: With Caleb Downs. 568 00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:41,960 Speaker 6: I think that's the reason why we could see him 569 00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:43,320 Speaker 6: fall past five. 570 00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:44,080 Speaker 4: But a lot of. 571 00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:46,600 Speaker 6: People seem to believe that he's the best player at 572 00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:49,240 Speaker 6: his position in this draft. I for one of a 573 00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:52,520 Speaker 6: positional value guy. Thus, I wouldn't really consider drafting him 574 00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:55,600 Speaker 6: over an excellent edge rusher, excellent wide receiver, excellent tackle. 575 00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:57,280 Speaker 4: If I were a general manager. 576 00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:01,120 Speaker 3: Well put Sam Ajoy come by man, thanks so much, 577 00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:04,440 Speaker 3: Thank you out so much. That's our guy. 578 00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:07,600 Speaker 2: Sam Brockhouse, sumer Sports check out Summer Sports dot Com 579 00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:12,280 Speaker 2: s U m R. Sam does a terrific job. Uses 580 00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:17,000 Speaker 2: the word hypothesis a lot. We appreciate his time. If 581 00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:23,719 Speaker 2: Caleb Downs is there at ten, I'm taking them. I've 582 00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:26,280 Speaker 2: watched the Bengals B and I don't have the twenty 583 00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:28,120 Speaker 2: twenty five numbers in front of me, but I watched 584 00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:30,800 Speaker 2: them in twenty twenty four B by far and away 585 00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:33,719 Speaker 2: the worst team in the NFL at giving up explosive plays. 586 00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:36,520 Speaker 2: I would imagine they're not that far removed from the 587 00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:38,040 Speaker 2: bottom in twenty twenty five. 588 00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:42,800 Speaker 3: I'm taking Caleb Downs. 589 00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:46,920 Speaker 2: Thirteen away from five o'clock. But I mean, that's it's 590 00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:50,440 Speaker 2: it's a very relevant discussion, right, There's a reason why 591 00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:53,440 Speaker 2: it was Jamal Adams was the last safety go to 592 00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:55,800 Speaker 2: the last safety to go in the top eight. If 593 00:30:55,840 --> 00:31:00,200 Speaker 2: I'm not mistaken, Like there's discussions about positional value you 594 00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:03,000 Speaker 2: that are there, and they're fair and they're legitimate, and 595 00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:06,840 Speaker 2: they don't just happen here. Twelve away from five o'clock, 596 00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:10,000 Speaker 2: five one, three, seven, four, nine, fifteen thirty. 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I 615 00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:13,960 Speaker 2: ask CAP what happened. 616 00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:16,240 Speaker 6: I was trying to find some Bruno Mars because if 617 00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:17,840 Speaker 6: I'm not sure if you're aware of Bruno Mars is 618 00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:18,880 Speaker 6: taking over iHeart tonight. 619 00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:22,880 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's right, I got I got the email. 620 00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:26,320 Speaker 2: So what does that mean for us? This brun O 621 00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:27,960 Speaker 2: mar is going to be doing sports talk on this 622 00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:28,800 Speaker 2: station later. 623 00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:33,000 Speaker 3: Tonight, maybe anything to promote his new album, which I 624 00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:33,720 Speaker 3: don't know the name of. 625 00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:37,720 Speaker 2: Oh, I'm sure it's great though. And Bruno Mars will 626 00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:41,520 Speaker 2: be taking over iHeart tonight. It's like when you oh, 627 00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:45,160 Speaker 2: so when you say taking over iHeart, like he's just 628 00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:47,320 Speaker 2: gonna be on a on a channel or something. It's 629 00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:52,880 Speaker 2: gonna be on a station. He stations on multiple stations. 630 00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:56,360 Speaker 3: Will he be on this one? Maybe find out tonight 631 00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:57,560 Speaker 3: at an IPM. 632 00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:00,120 Speaker 2: Find out tonight at nine o'clock. We don't have any 633 00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:03,880 Speaker 2: live games or anything. Correct, No, yeah, there's no. Kentucky's 634 00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:06,360 Speaker 2: not playing FC. Cincinnati's not playing well. 635 00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:09,080 Speaker 3: The Reds are beating the Padres. 636 00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:11,760 Speaker 2: They have scored six times and they're still batting in 637 00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:14,200 Speaker 2: the bottom of the fifth inning. Dane Myers has just 638 00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:19,080 Speaker 2: doubled in a run. Noelde Marte, scoring Noelve, has had 639 00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:22,600 Speaker 2: a three RBI day. Will Benson's been on base a 640 00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:25,040 Speaker 2: couple of times and scored twice. Spencer Steer has been 641 00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:27,520 Speaker 2: on base three times and he has scored twice. Ellie 642 00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:30,120 Speaker 2: Dela Cruz has driven in two runs. He has two hits, 643 00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:33,680 Speaker 2: including a triple. Also has to double the triple. By 644 00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:36,040 Speaker 2: the way, the Red showed a highlight of and watching 645 00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:38,880 Speaker 2: Ellie Dela Cruz go from home to third is always 646 00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:39,440 Speaker 2: a lot of fun. 647 00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:39,960 Speaker 3: Nine to three. 648 00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:44,280 Speaker 2: They've played five innings. It's an official game. It's an 649 00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:48,480 Speaker 2: official game that doesn't count Radsley the Padres. Nine to three. 650 00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:51,000 Speaker 2: As San Diego gets set to come to the plate. 651 00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:56,479 Speaker 2: In the top of the sixth inning, Manny Machado hit 652 00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:59,640 Speaker 2: a home run for San Diego. We were talking before 653 00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:03,160 Speaker 2: about Jordan Battle. Al Golden had a bunch of really 654 00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:06,760 Speaker 2: nice things to say yesterday at the Combine about Jordan 655 00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:10,440 Speaker 2: Battle and talked about how he's just now scratching the surface. 656 00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:13,000 Speaker 3: Let's put a good group around him, and. 657 00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:17,600 Speaker 2: That's where the force the force multiplier term comes in, right. 658 00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:21,680 Speaker 3: I guess there's room for multiple truths. We say this 659 00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:22,120 Speaker 3: all the time. 660 00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:25,759 Speaker 2: Jordan Battle last year did some really nice things and 661 00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:27,920 Speaker 2: did some things that would make you believe like that's 662 00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:29,520 Speaker 2: a guy who can be a part of the team 663 00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:32,440 Speaker 2: moving forward. I think what would be awesome would be 664 00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:35,280 Speaker 2: if Jordan Battle were in a safety mix that included 665 00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:39,800 Speaker 2: maybe drafting the best guy available and signing a starting 666 00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:43,240 Speaker 2: caliber player in free agency, and then giving Al Golden 667 00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:47,720 Speaker 2: more tools, more toys to play with at the safety spot. 668 00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:50,839 Speaker 2: But I kind of felt like when last season ended, 669 00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:56,200 Speaker 2: there was a real consensus belief that Jordan Battle had 670 00:34:56,640 --> 00:35:02,759 Speaker 2: finally played at a level that enabled him to kind 671 00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:08,680 Speaker 2: of move into that, you know, foundational piece group moving forward. 672 00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:11,640 Speaker 2: I don't know that having Jordan Battle on your team 673 00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:14,520 Speaker 2: should preclude you from taking the best safety available if 674 00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:16,960 Speaker 2: Caleb Downs is there at number ten. I'm not sure 675 00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:19,920 Speaker 2: that Jordan Battle should preclude you from finding better players 676 00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:24,160 Speaker 2: in free agency. But it's okay. It's okay to have 677 00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:27,319 Speaker 2: more than two safeties. I know we spent a lot 678 00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:29,279 Speaker 2: of time in recent years, even when the Bengals have 679 00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:32,440 Speaker 2: been really good at safety, watching them basically just use 680 00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:36,520 Speaker 2: two guys. But I don't know that the endorsement of 681 00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:41,239 Speaker 2: Jordan Battle was misplaced, Like had okay your last year, 682 00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:43,840 Speaker 2: and trust me, I think anybody could play safety and 683 00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:45,960 Speaker 2: look better when you're playing next to Gino Stone. So 684 00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:48,160 Speaker 2: you know, maybe you take what he did last season 685 00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:50,640 Speaker 2: with a grain of salt, But I don't know that 686 00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:53,279 Speaker 2: anybody who watched last season thought by the end of 687 00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:55,960 Speaker 2: the year like it's time to move on from Jordan Battle. 688 00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:57,799 Speaker 2: That's a guy who looks like he should be a 689 00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:02,480 Speaker 2: part of the solution moving forward. But if if it's 690 00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:05,480 Speaker 2: we're not gonna take Caleb downs because we have Jordan Battle, 691 00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:10,080 Speaker 2: I don't know that that's necessarily the proper strategy. Again, 692 00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:13,120 Speaker 2: there are very good conversations about whether or not he's there, 693 00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:16,080 Speaker 2: about if he's also there with Ruben Bain, about what 694 00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:19,000 Speaker 2: other options are available at safety. What do you really 695 00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:21,160 Speaker 2: take a safety with a tenth overall pick? Can you 696 00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:23,040 Speaker 2: maybe take him a little bit later? But like the 697 00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:25,880 Speaker 2: Jordan Battle pushback that was online yesterday, First of all, 698 00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:29,760 Speaker 2: it's online, so there's pushback to everything, like there's online 699 00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:32,600 Speaker 2: the puppies and pancakes on social media, So do what 700 00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:35,040 Speaker 2: you want with that. But I thought he played at 701 00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:36,759 Speaker 2: a level last year that made you feel like he 702 00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:39,360 Speaker 2: can be one of those pieces moving forward. They need 703 00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:41,759 Speaker 2: more and I think that was also the crux of 704 00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:44,239 Speaker 2: what al Golden had to say yesterday. But there was 705 00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:46,960 Speaker 2: something to like about the way Jordan Battle played last season. 706 00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:52,000 Speaker 3: The question is a can he do better? 707 00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:52,200 Speaker 6: Be? 708 00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:53,240 Speaker 3: What else do they. 709 00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:57,080 Speaker 2: Do with him at that particular position? Five point three seven, 710 00:36:57,160 --> 00:37:01,200 Speaker 2: four nine, fifteen thirty is our phone hitting? 711 00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:04,640 Speaker 3: All right? Well, we'll listen. 712 00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:06,839 Speaker 2: To the Bruno Mars promo coming up after the top 713 00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:08,799 Speaker 2: of the album. We'll tease that it's coming up on 714 00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:14,160 Speaker 2: five o'clock. What's that five o'clock on ESPN fifteen thirty, 715 00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:15,719 Speaker 2: Looking for the 716 00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:16,640 Speaker 1: Best in flagfo