WEBVTT - The Night Cap with Gary Jeff Walker -- 12/15/25 0:00:00.120 --> 0:00:05.279 Wow, a brand new Nightcap on this Monday evening, December fifteenth, 0:00:05.320 --> 0:00:09.039 twenty twenty five, counting down the days till Christmas, and 0:00:09.119 --> 0:00:11.200 I can't get here soon enough for me. I don't 0:00:11.240 --> 0:00:14.200 know about you, Gary, Jeff Walker. Welcome to the Nightcap. 0:00:15.520 --> 0:00:19.680 And there are so many really, really awful stories floating 0:00:19.720 --> 0:00:22.320 around in the news in the last twenty four hours, 0:00:22.360 --> 0:00:26.439 including the apparent murder of Rob Reiner and his wife 0:00:26.440 --> 0:00:31.800 in their home in Los Angeles. We'll be talking a 0:00:31.840 --> 0:00:36.160 little bit about that. The death of two American servicemen 0:00:36.360 --> 0:00:41.160 and an American citizen who was an interpreter in Syria 0:00:41.440 --> 0:00:46.760 by apparently someone who was working for the Syrian Defense 0:00:46.840 --> 0:00:53.800 Forces but apparently was not on our side. And President 0:00:53.800 --> 0:01:00.200 Trump has vowed that everyone responsible for the death of 0:01:00.240 --> 0:01:03.480 both of those American servicemen and the interpreter that they 0:01:03.520 --> 0:01:07.360 will be held accountable to this whatever that means. We 0:01:07.400 --> 0:01:10.840 still have a situation in Venezuela. Then, of course, we 0:01:10.920 --> 0:01:17.120 had the shooting at Bandai Beach in Australia. Two people 0:01:17.720 --> 0:01:22.760 Palestinian but Australian citizens, a man and his son who 0:01:22.800 --> 0:01:26.920 attacked and killed fifteen people during a Honikah celebration at 0:01:26.959 --> 0:01:30.679 a place called Bandai Beach. We will discuss that in 0:01:30.760 --> 0:01:35.679 the aftermath of that, and the anti Semitic hate that 0:01:35.800 --> 0:01:40.759 has risen not only in Australia but around the world 0:01:40.800 --> 0:01:45.039 and in our country. Our FBI is assisting Australian authorities 0:01:45.520 --> 0:01:49.080 in their investigation. And then, of course the shooting at 0:01:49.120 --> 0:01:55.040 Brown University on Saturday. Two students killed there, the gunman 0:01:55.120 --> 0:02:01.639 as of earlier today not captured. Well, the news is bleak. 0:02:03.400 --> 0:02:08.320 The good news is that the arrival of a savior 0:02:09.720 --> 0:02:14.400 and the celebration thereof arrives in just ten days. And 0:02:14.440 --> 0:02:19.480 as a Christian, I can't wait to celebrate the birth 0:02:19.520 --> 0:02:26.880 of Baby Jesus God with us. Oh Come Emmanuel. Up next, 0:02:26.919 --> 0:02:30.320 we'll talk to Dan was about the shooting specifically in 0:02:30.360 --> 0:02:36.040 Australia and even this is even though this is a 0:02:36.080 --> 0:02:41.400 country that for a long time has told their citizens 0:02:41.440 --> 0:02:46.280 they cannot be armed, How did this happen? We'll address 0:02:46.320 --> 0:02:50.360 it next with my favorite second amm guy. Dan was 0:02:50.960 --> 0:02:55.280 the author of the Good Gun, Bad Guy series of books. 0:02:56.160 --> 0:02:59.120 It's the Nightcap and we'll continue in just moments on 0:02:59.200 --> 0:03:01.760 seven hundred ar ulw. 0:03:01.360 --> 0:03:01.960 Our old friend. 0:03:02.040 --> 0:03:06.480 Dan was of the Good Gun, Bad Guy series of books, fame, 0:03:07.320 --> 0:03:12.320 and a man who was all over everywhere in social 0:03:12.400 --> 0:03:16.079 media and you can find a loaded mic on YouTube. 0:03:16.880 --> 0:03:19.280 Be careful how you spell Mike, by the way, and 0:03:19.600 --> 0:03:22.200 if you want to know anything about your Second Amendment 0:03:22.320 --> 0:03:26.840 rights and living in a truly free country where liberty 0:03:27.440 --> 0:03:30.919 is king and not the government, this is a guy 0:03:30.960 --> 0:03:32.840 you want to talk to. And I thought, in the 0:03:32.880 --> 0:03:37.840 wake of the awful tragedy this weekend. Hanikah began in 0:03:37.880 --> 0:03:45.040 Australia with the deaths of fifteen innocence strictly for being Jewish, 0:03:45.080 --> 0:03:48.880 and it was committed by a father and son who 0:03:48.920 --> 0:03:53.760 had licensed firearms in Australia. It is quite the process 0:03:54.280 --> 0:03:58.200 to be a licensed gun owner in Australia to run 0:03:58.240 --> 0:04:02.840 down some of those really conian laws that are about 0:04:02.880 --> 0:04:06.240 people control more than gun control. And there have been 0:04:06.240 --> 0:04:08.640 an effect in Australia going all the way back to 0:04:08.760 --> 0:04:12.720 nineteen ninety six. And they were so proud to tout 0:04:13.720 --> 0:04:17.040 how violence and murders were down because they'd gotten rid 0:04:17.080 --> 0:04:19.400 of the guns out of the hands of most citizens 0:04:19.760 --> 0:04:25.080 without major restrictions. Dan was once again is the man 0:04:25.200 --> 0:04:29.200 with the plan. Dan Good Evening, and this is an 0:04:29.279 --> 0:04:35.159 unspeakable tragedy number one caused by almost everyone's account by 0:04:35.240 --> 0:04:38.919 anti Semitism that has been allowed to run rampant in 0:04:39.000 --> 0:04:43.359 the land down Under. But good evening anyway, and let's 0:04:43.440 --> 0:04:45.839 talk a little bit about what happened at Bondai Beach 0:04:46.040 --> 0:04:50.480 and how the Australian government is likely to react to it. 0:04:52.040 --> 0:04:54.359 Hey, Gary, Jeff, Yeah, thanks for having me on the show. 0:04:54.400 --> 0:04:59.320 As always, You're right, man, this is a real This 0:04:59.400 --> 0:05:04.080 is a common of not only anti Semitism, but dangerous 0:05:04.160 --> 0:05:08.839 gun laws the Australian government. You mentioned the nineteen ninety 0:05:08.880 --> 0:05:13.040 six you know gun law. That's a law called the 0:05:13.120 --> 0:05:18.320 National Firearms Agreement in Australia, and it is so restrictive 0:05:18.400 --> 0:05:23.840 it puts the Australian people in such danger and makes 0:05:23.880 --> 0:05:28.480 them so vulnerable that you know, I believe that Australian 0:05:28.520 --> 0:05:32.800 governments should be held accountable in some way, just like 0:05:32.880 --> 0:05:36.680 I also believe that our American government should be held 0:05:36.680 --> 0:05:40.120 accountable when people get injured or killed in a gun 0:05:40.160 --> 0:05:43.640 free zone, for instance, where they can't defend themselves. But 0:05:43.839 --> 0:05:46.360 I can go through some of the details of the 0:05:46.800 --> 0:05:49.160 National Firearms Agreement in Australia if you'd like. 0:05:49.400 --> 0:05:51.880 Sure, Well, one of the things that's most striking about 0:05:51.920 --> 0:05:55.159 it to me, Dan, is that you have to provide 0:05:55.160 --> 0:05:58.799 a genuine reason that they accept to even be considered 0:05:58.839 --> 0:06:03.000 for a license to registrated gun. Self defense is not 0:06:03.320 --> 0:06:07.400 a genuine reason in the eyes of Australian officials. 0:06:07.760 --> 0:06:10.240 Right well, that that was one of the things I 0:06:10.279 --> 0:06:14.719 was gonna mention. Yes, you're absolutely right that that right 0:06:14.839 --> 0:06:21.240 there when they say you you you specifically can't have 0:06:21.320 --> 0:06:25.200 a firearm for self defense, and then one of these 0:06:25.240 --> 0:06:28.640 tragedies happens. Whose fault is that? 0:06:29.600 --> 0:06:30.160 Is this not. 0:06:30.279 --> 0:06:35.440 Obvious to everybody that the Australian government disarmed their people 0:06:35.760 --> 0:06:40.720 and put them in this situation and specifically said if 0:06:40.760 --> 0:06:45.120 you want players for defense, you can't. I don't know 0:06:45.400 --> 0:06:48.560 what else you have to do to make it blatantly 0:06:48.640 --> 0:06:51.400 obvious that you want people to get hurt. 0:06:52.160 --> 0:06:55.280 Yeah, I would agree with you wholeheartedly. 0:06:55.320 --> 0:06:59.480 And of course their knee jerk reaction to this as 0:06:59.560 --> 0:07:02.159 to impose even stricter gun. 0:07:02.040 --> 0:07:04.320 Laws, which just as well. 0:07:04.600 --> 0:07:08.640 I mean, it's it's it's exacerbating the insanity that's already 0:07:08.680 --> 0:07:11.200 at play in this country. And this is a country, 0:07:11.240 --> 0:07:15.600 by the way, if you'll remember, during COVID Man they 0:07:16.440 --> 0:07:19.880 people had no freedom at all. You thought the lockdowns 0:07:19.880 --> 0:07:21.960 in the United States were bad, if you went more 0:07:22.000 --> 0:07:25.600 than five hundred feet outside your home, you could be 0:07:25.720 --> 0:07:29.560 arrested and fined, thrown in jail. In Australia, I mean, 0:07:29.880 --> 0:07:33.480 they really are an authoritarian kind of place to be 0:07:33.560 --> 0:07:37.840 called a democracy or anything resembling a free country at 0:07:37.840 --> 0:07:38.840 this point. 0:07:40.040 --> 0:07:42.640 It's so you know, it's so infuriating when you when 0:07:42.720 --> 0:07:46.600 you when you say that, I can't And maybe it's 0:07:46.600 --> 0:07:49.200 just because freedom is in our DNA here in America. 0:07:49.480 --> 0:07:54.840 As much as the political left tries to destroy our freedom, Uh, 0:07:54.960 --> 0:07:57.720 it's still in our DNA. I mean, it's part of 0:07:57.760 --> 0:08:02.480 who we are as Americans. The Australians, well, they don't 0:08:02.520 --> 0:08:05.440 have a constitution like we do, so that you know, 0:08:05.760 --> 0:08:09.200 they've been able to condition the people, I think a 0:08:09.240 --> 0:08:11.880 little bit easier than you'd be able to condition Americans. 0:08:12.000 --> 0:08:17.520 You said, you said something very very important to this conversation, Dan, 0:08:17.600 --> 0:08:20.600 you said, freedom is in our DNA in this country. 0:08:21.080 --> 0:08:22.120 And if you think about. 0:08:21.920 --> 0:08:26.240 It, historically Australia was a prison colony and in some 0:08:26.280 --> 0:08:27.320 ways it still is. 0:08:28.720 --> 0:08:29.680 Yeah. 0:08:29.840 --> 0:08:33.400 Yeah, it's it's amazing because it's hard for us to 0:08:33.440 --> 0:08:35.960 look at the look at these situations and go, what 0:08:36.000 --> 0:08:38.480 the hell is wrong with you people? I mean, I'm 0:08:38.520 --> 0:08:41.040 looking at them and going, what is wrong with you people? 0:08:42.480 --> 0:08:43.640 Are you really? 0:08:43.760 --> 0:08:44.280 Just are you? 0:08:44.640 --> 0:08:51.120 Are you stupid? Because you're watching people get killed knowing 0:08:51.280 --> 0:08:54.559 that they're getting killed because they've been disarmed, and then 0:08:54.600 --> 0:08:56.640 you want to disarm them even more. 0:08:57.640 --> 0:08:59.560 I don't know, Gary, Jeff. 0:08:59.600 --> 0:09:03.320 It's just sometimes it's astonishing to me. Maybe my brain 0:09:03.480 --> 0:09:07.720 just can't comprehend what they're thinking. And I try, believe me, 0:09:07.760 --> 0:09:10.240 I try to put myself in their mindset, but it 0:09:10.480 --> 0:09:16.800 just doesn't make sense unless unless the goal is to 0:09:16.880 --> 0:09:20.600 make people vulnerable and dependent upon their government. 0:09:21.720 --> 0:09:26.960 It sure smells like that, Dan in Australia and other places, 0:09:27.000 --> 0:09:29.880 in certain places in this country right now, depending on 0:09:31.320 --> 0:09:34.240 what the specific laws are. I mean, you're in New 0:09:34.320 --> 0:09:38.880 York State, You've got a governor that is anti gun, 0:09:39.320 --> 0:09:42.040 to say the least. Every time the Supreme Court comes 0:09:42.080 --> 0:09:45.600 down with a decision and Second Amendment, people feel like 0:09:45.679 --> 0:09:49.280 they've won a victory for their God given rights enshrined 0:09:49.320 --> 0:09:52.640 in the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. Kathy Hochel 0:09:52.720 --> 0:09:56.600 comes up with some other way to restrict guns again 0:09:56.960 --> 0:10:00.200 and you and I have talked about that many times, 0:10:00.200 --> 0:10:02.360 the gun free zones you mentioned at the top of this. 0:10:02.679 --> 0:10:08.440 Can you imagine if some of the celebrants on Bondai Beach, 0:10:09.679 --> 0:10:11.680 some of the Jewish people who were celebrating the first 0:10:11.760 --> 0:10:14.920 day of Honikh on Bondai Beach at summertime in Australia, 0:10:15.280 --> 0:10:20.520 had had access to a firearm specifically for self defense, 0:10:20.800 --> 0:10:23.280 which isn't a reason you can have a gun in Australia, 0:10:23.679 --> 0:10:26.200 that this might have been quelled and a lot less 0:10:26.360 --> 0:10:28.120 people may have died in this. 0:10:29.040 --> 0:10:30.480 You know, we got to give. 0:10:31.080 --> 0:10:35.160 A high five and prayers for quick recovery to the 0:10:35.679 --> 0:10:39.520 you know, the guy, the good Samaritan that attacked one 0:10:39.520 --> 0:10:42.280 of the shooters from behind, took his gun from him 0:10:42.280 --> 0:10:46.480 and held him at bay and neutralized him. But if 0:10:46.520 --> 0:10:49.960 that same person had had or had been permitted to 0:10:50.040 --> 0:10:54.000 have a weapon under Australian laws, it might have been 0:10:54.040 --> 0:10:55.400 over a lot quicker. 0:10:57.320 --> 0:11:01.600 Oh yeah, you know, absolutely know, Like like here in America, 0:11:01.720 --> 0:11:04.400 you don't know who's got a who's got a handgun 0:11:04.400 --> 0:11:06.440 in their shoe on the beach, you know, or over 0:11:06.520 --> 0:11:12.280 their towel, things like that. I personally know people who 0:11:13.040 --> 0:11:15.760 who wouldn't go to the beach without a without a gun. 0:11:15.880 --> 0:11:19.240 So uh, anywhere for that matter, without a gun, you know, 0:11:19.440 --> 0:11:22.360 and and so. But in Australia you can, you can 0:11:22.440 --> 0:11:27.280 plan on everybody being unarmed and helpless, not only Australia, 0:11:27.440 --> 0:11:30.880 other countries too, of course, but in this particular case. 0:11:30.880 --> 0:11:36.680 So it's just absolutely shameful. I hate the fact that 0:11:36.720 --> 0:11:40.840 we have leaders in America and obviously leaders in Australia 0:11:41.320 --> 0:11:50.800 who want people defenseless, uh, unarmed, helpless, defenseless. It's an 0:11:50.840 --> 0:11:56.199 absolute shame and a travesty that we that especially Australia 0:11:56.280 --> 0:11:59.200 right now, doesn't rise up and and and revolt against this. 0:11:59.400 --> 0:12:05.240 But it's really I guess we'll wait to see what happens. 0:12:05.280 --> 0:12:07.920 Are they going to revolt or are they gonna implement 0:12:07.960 --> 0:12:08.760 more gun lots? 0:12:08.800 --> 0:12:09.000 You know? 0:12:09.920 --> 0:12:12.760 Well, this is the other question, Dan, how did with 0:12:12.960 --> 0:12:18.599 all of these very strict licensing and gun restrictions in Australia. 0:12:18.679 --> 0:12:23.720 Apparently the two gentlemen I called him gentlemen, the two 0:12:23.800 --> 0:12:29.160 murderers were carrying around licensed weapons. There's a minimum twenty 0:12:29.200 --> 0:12:32.080 eight day waiting period in Australia for a new gun 0:12:32.160 --> 0:12:37.160 license application be processed. And I remember watching a sixty 0:12:37.240 --> 0:12:42.080 minutes episode of this reporter just so proud of the 0:12:42.120 --> 0:12:46.719 man he was interviewing because he properly locked up all 0:12:46.720 --> 0:12:51.160 of his firearms on his location. He was on some farm, 0:12:51.720 --> 0:12:56.560 and so if anybody had attacked him at his home, 0:12:57.520 --> 0:12:59.960 he would have been totally defenseless, even though he had 0:13:00.880 --> 0:13:04.599 almost an arsenal out in his barn that was completely 0:13:04.640 --> 0:13:08.000 locked with the ammunition out of the guns. That's not 0:13:08.160 --> 0:13:13.840 exactly a recipe for being able to protect yourself against 0:13:14.240 --> 0:13:17.600 an armed robber or anyone else who would try and 0:13:18.240 --> 0:13:19.960 attack you and take your property. 0:13:20.920 --> 0:13:27.120 But yeah, responsible as a man, it's not responsible, uh, 0:13:27.280 --> 0:13:30.480 to put yourself in that position and not be able to. 0:13:30.400 --> 0:13:34.560 Protect your face, Yeah, and your family exactly. So when 0:13:34.600 --> 0:13:38.400 people ask for longer waiting periods before you can get 0:13:38.440 --> 0:13:41.640 a gun in this country, that that's not helpful. 0:13:41.920 --> 0:13:44.160 That's not that's not good. 0:13:44.040 --> 0:13:49.000 For the the uh, the betterment of society is it? 0:13:50.880 --> 0:13:54.440 Know, all you're doing is you're you're putting people in 0:13:54.640 --> 0:13:58.640 further danger. The right stories of people who had to wait. 0:13:58.720 --> 0:13:59.800 There was a. 0:13:59.480 --> 0:14:02.280 Carol, her name was in New Jersey. She had to 0:14:02.320 --> 0:14:08.240 wait extended period of time. They extended it over the 0:14:08.280 --> 0:14:10.839 thirty or ninety days, whatever it was. I think it 0:14:10.880 --> 0:14:13.640 was thirty day weight, it was forty five days. So 0:14:13.720 --> 0:14:16.240 she was trying to get her handgun. She still hadn't 0:14:16.280 --> 0:14:20.160 got her handgun at forty five days later, and that's 0:14:20.240 --> 0:14:22.840 when the guy she was trying to protect herself from 0:14:23.160 --> 0:14:23.640 killed her. 0:14:24.240 --> 0:14:24.480 Huh. 0:14:24.680 --> 0:14:29.760 So the New Jersey government made her vulnerable, made her defenseless, 0:14:29.800 --> 0:14:33.800 knowing there were police reports and everything. They knew that 0:14:34.000 --> 0:14:36.560 she was in danger from this guy, and yet they 0:14:36.600 --> 0:14:41.080 made her wait forty five days just so he could 0:14:41.160 --> 0:14:42.920 kill her. It's unbelievable. 0:14:43.080 --> 0:14:46.760 Well, you mentioned earlier that the Australian government is in 0:14:46.840 --> 0:14:50.000 a way responsible for this tragedy that happened on the 0:14:50.040 --> 0:14:57.760 beach during Hanukkah because of these just unbelievable draconian authoritarian 0:14:57.840 --> 0:15:01.800 gun laws. But they're also in a country that so 0:15:01.960 --> 0:15:05.720 famously cracked down over COVID and kept the lid on 0:15:05.760 --> 0:15:11.200 the entire society for a false narrative. This is also 0:15:11.240 --> 0:15:15.359 a government that has proven itself to be not answering 0:15:15.600 --> 0:15:19.040 to the calls to stamp out the anti Semitism that 0:15:19.080 --> 0:15:21.600 has been running rampant in this country. This is a 0:15:21.640 --> 0:15:26.760 country that could very easily obviously restrict everyone's rights and 0:15:27.160 --> 0:15:31.720 make anti Semitism a crime. But they've done nothing on 0:15:31.760 --> 0:15:35.240 that account, after attack after attack after attack. 0:15:35.760 --> 0:15:40.920 I mean because it's because it's not necessarily anti Semitism 0:15:40.960 --> 0:15:43.920 as much as it is radical Islam, yep. And they 0:15:43.920 --> 0:15:44.920 don't want to look at that. 0:15:46.240 --> 0:15:51.480 No, No, they don't want to admit it for political reasons. 0:15:52.560 --> 0:15:56.400 And it's because a lot of people that support their government, 0:15:56.600 --> 0:16:00.160 just like it is here in this country. You know, 0:16:00.200 --> 0:16:02.120 you look at the shooting at Brown University and they 0:16:02.360 --> 0:16:06.320 wondered if it's it's tied to some kind of interconnected 0:16:06.400 --> 0:16:12.920 international anti Semitic uprising. But that's that's to be told later. 0:16:13.280 --> 0:16:17.720 But in this country, people like Chuck Schumer, who is 0:16:17.960 --> 0:16:23.000 the highest ranked Jewish official in this country, won't come 0:16:23.040 --> 0:16:27.200 out against those in his own party that are saying 0:16:27.240 --> 0:16:29.720 anti Semitic things and from the River to the Sea 0:16:29.800 --> 0:16:33.400 and free Palestine and asking for a two states solution. 0:16:33.760 --> 0:16:38.520 Australia has endorsed a two state solution and it hasn't 0:16:38.800 --> 0:16:44.240 quelled those who were upset on the side of Islam. 0:16:44.800 --> 0:16:50.360 It's only it's only maybe made them feel entitled to 0:16:50.480 --> 0:16:54.040 go ahead and wreak havoc and maybe that's what this was. 0:16:55.680 --> 0:17:02.160 Isn't it amazing how leftling ideology has managed to become 0:17:02.360 --> 0:17:07.280 stronger in the minds of left wingers than their own religion. 0:17:08.080 --> 0:17:11.359 That's they've really done a number on these people, and 0:17:11.400 --> 0:17:17.200 they've really conditioned them and really brainwashed them to denounce 0:17:17.240 --> 0:17:23.920 their religion and in favor of the left wing ideology. 0:17:23.920 --> 0:17:27.639 It's just it's an amazing feat that they've accomplished. And 0:17:28.359 --> 0:17:30.600 I watch it and I go, what's wrong with you people? 0:17:30.800 --> 0:17:34.520 How can you denounce your own religion for your political party? 0:17:35.160 --> 0:17:36.040 But they've managed to. 0:17:35.960 --> 0:17:40.359 Do it, no doubt. It was a sad weekend. Like 0:17:40.440 --> 0:17:43.040 I started the show tonight, Dan, and I said, you know, 0:17:43.119 --> 0:17:46.159 I ten days till Christmas. I can't wait for it 0:17:46.200 --> 0:17:49.959 to get here because I want to celebrate something holy 0:17:50.160 --> 0:17:55.680 and good in my life and tune out what obviously 0:17:55.800 --> 0:17:59.320 is a fallen world. But you have to be able 0:17:59.359 --> 0:18:03.959 to protect yourself. That's our main point in our conversation. Uh, 0:18:04.880 --> 0:18:09.680 you know, guns are not the enemy. Guns are there 0:18:09.720 --> 0:18:13.280 to protect you from the enemy. And I think we 0:18:13.320 --> 0:18:16.800 can kind of leave it there any any last comments. 0:18:16.440 --> 0:18:19.919 Dan, Guns are good and that's the one that I 0:18:19.920 --> 0:18:22.560 can think up too. It's like, if we don't have them, 0:18:23.600 --> 0:18:27.600 we're vulnerable, and I think we need to really be 0:18:27.720 --> 0:18:30.359 focused on the people who want to disarm us. That's 0:18:30.480 --> 0:18:31.520 that's the real problem. 0:18:32.040 --> 0:18:32.320 Yep. 0:18:32.560 --> 0:18:37.720 Absolutely, Dan was Goodgunbadguy dot com if you'd like to 0:18:37.760 --> 0:18:41.040 find out more, and you can access all of Dan's 0:18:41.040 --> 0:18:45.080 other social media flings here and there, including the loaded 0:18:45.119 --> 0:18:47.440 mic video through that website. 0:18:47.480 --> 0:18:48.880 Initially, Dan was, thank. 0:18:48.720 --> 0:18:52.320 You so much, Thanks so much, Pal, I really appreciate it. 0:18:52.440 --> 0:18:54.320 Have a great Christmas, Merry Christmas. 0:18:54.400 --> 0:18:58.439 Dan, all right, Doctor Carol Lieberman coming up after the 0:18:58.480 --> 0:19:01.840 news here on the Nightcap on seven hundred WLW, a 0:19:01.880 --> 0:19:06.920 woman who was known as America's Psychiatrist, the Terrorist Therapist, 0:19:07.119 --> 0:19:10.600 host of Doctor Carroll's Couch on Voice America dot com, 0:19:10.920 --> 0:19:15.280 the Terrorist Therapist podcast, and you've probably seen her on 0:19:15.359 --> 0:19:21.560 multiple news outlets giving your opinion on well, what's going 0:19:21.640 --> 0:19:26.000 on in the psyche of the world. And I don't 0:19:26.000 --> 0:19:28.440 know if we've answered those questions yet, but to get 0:19:28.480 --> 0:19:33.120 a glimpse inside what will be next after the Bondai 0:19:33.200 --> 0:19:40.040 Beach attack to start honeke in Australia, fifteen dead and 0:19:42.160 --> 0:19:50.240 two terrorists, one dead, the other surviving. But what happens now, 0:19:50.680 --> 0:19:55.000 because it seems like this anti Semitic rise in terrorist 0:19:55.200 --> 0:20:01.439 violence has emboldened other people in pockets of the world 0:20:01.520 --> 0:20:05.440 where you know, it's kind of I don't know, ignored 0:20:05.720 --> 0:20:10.479 many cases for political and other reasons. If this has 0:20:10.560 --> 0:20:14.439 emboldened them to ramp up their attacks, or will this 0:20:15.640 --> 0:20:18.680 be a turning point where the world says this has 0:20:18.720 --> 0:20:21.520 to be stopped with some of the answers to that, 0:20:21.760 --> 0:20:24.920 or at least a glimpse into how this could resolve. 0:20:25.000 --> 0:20:29.720 Doctor Carol Lieberman joins us for a few minutes, Doctor leebaman, welcome. 0:20:29.400 --> 0:20:30.359 To the show. How are you? 0:20:31.440 --> 0:20:32.680 Thank you fine, thank you. 0:20:33.520 --> 0:20:34.640 I wonder. 0:20:36.160 --> 0:20:43.960 How somebody like Chuck Schumer, who is the highest ranking 0:20:44.080 --> 0:20:47.120 elected official who happens to be Jewish in this country, 0:20:47.880 --> 0:20:53.440 can continue to ignore or not discuss or hold accountable 0:20:53.440 --> 0:20:59.240 people in his own party who are I mean, blatantly 0:20:59.280 --> 0:21:02.600 anti Semitic and shouting things like from the River to 0:21:02.640 --> 0:21:06.160 the Sea and free Palestine and calling for this two 0:21:06.320 --> 0:21:10.920 state solution, which by the way, the Australian's Prime Minister 0:21:11.640 --> 0:21:16.080 was one their government was one of many across Europe 0:21:16.119 --> 0:21:21.800 calling for this two state solution in Israel, and that 0:21:22.160 --> 0:21:26.520 is not helpful when it comes to curtailing Islamist terrorism, 0:21:27.400 --> 0:21:29.440 don't you think not a good thing? 0:21:30.960 --> 0:21:36.200 Yes, absolutely. The government in Australia has not been very 0:21:36.240 --> 0:21:40.120 careful or really you know, has turned a deaf ear 0:21:40.320 --> 0:21:43.200 to you know, the rising anti Semitism there that people 0:21:43.280 --> 0:21:46.280 have been trying to alert them to. But you know, 0:21:46.359 --> 0:21:50.040 that's what's happening all over really and. 0:21:52.200 --> 0:21:52.640 You know in. 0:21:52.640 --> 0:21:56.840 Europe, in America except for Trump, who is paying attention, 0:21:56.960 --> 0:22:00.960 but he's being battled every which way, you know, a lawyers, 0:22:01.200 --> 0:22:03.760 i mean judges, you know, saying that he can't do 0:22:03.840 --> 0:22:05.159 some of the things that he wants to do in 0:22:05.280 --> 0:22:07.400 terms of getting some of these people out of America 0:22:08.880 --> 0:22:11.560 and a two state solutions, there is no way that 0:22:11.560 --> 0:22:15.879 that would ever work because really, you know, terrorists want 0:22:15.920 --> 0:22:19.920 to destroy Israel and so having two states, I mean 0:22:20.600 --> 0:22:24.520 so they can't be such a thing. Because the Palestinians, 0:22:25.960 --> 0:22:28.560 first of all, they never think that what, however much 0:22:28.680 --> 0:22:32.600 lands that Israel gives them is enough. Israel has already 0:22:32.680 --> 0:22:36.760 tried that for many many years uh for peace, to 0:22:36.920 --> 0:22:40.520 give parts of Israel away, and it has never worked. 0:22:40.640 --> 0:22:43.680 So it's not going to work now. But as far 0:22:43.720 --> 0:22:47.520 as bon Day that, I mean, you know that that 0:22:47.640 --> 0:22:52.199 was really shocking because we really haven't had such a 0:22:52.280 --> 0:22:58.080 major attack in Australia. But it just shows you how 0:22:58.440 --> 0:23:02.040 how prevalent this is, how prevalent terrorism is, and how 0:23:02.080 --> 0:23:03.919 complacent Americans are. 0:23:04.560 --> 0:23:04.800 You know. 0:23:04.880 --> 0:23:07.359 I think I always each time that there is a 0:23:07.400 --> 0:23:12.160 horrible terror attack, I think I wish that this would finally. 0:23:12.200 --> 0:23:13.560 Is this one going to be the one that's going 0:23:13.640 --> 0:23:15.720 to turn the tide? Are people going to realize the 0:23:15.840 --> 0:23:20.080 method is enough? And so far there hasn't been one now, 0:23:20.760 --> 0:23:22.760 I mean because as part of it is the mainstream 0:23:22.800 --> 0:23:27.040 media isn't reporting all of the attacks. That there are 0:23:27.080 --> 0:23:31.400 attacks happening in Europe every day, France, the UK, Germany, 0:23:31.920 --> 0:23:35.320 Belgium every day and there was just one in Belgium 0:23:35.359 --> 0:23:37.760 at the Christmas market. That's when it often comes out 0:23:38.119 --> 0:23:43.399 in Europe besides just regular days, because and this is 0:23:43.440 --> 0:23:46.360 something you know a lot of times and it will 0:23:46.359 --> 0:23:52.120 probably happen with Australia to people just say, oh well, 0:23:52.160 --> 0:23:54.919 it'll never happen here again, or it'll never happen We 0:23:54.960 --> 0:23:56.400 don't have to worry about it. When there are eighty 0:23:56.440 --> 0:24:00.760 thousand Afghans, unvetted Afghans all over America, as well as 0:24:00.800 --> 0:24:03.679 other radical Islamists, some of whom are on the terrorist 0:24:03.760 --> 0:24:07.359 watch list. So you know, so they say some people 0:24:07.400 --> 0:24:09.840 will say, oh, well, they just really want to attack 0:24:09.880 --> 0:24:12.399 the Jews. We're safe if we're not Jewish, which is 0:24:12.440 --> 0:24:18.040 so not true. Terrorists want to kill everybody who is 0:24:18.080 --> 0:24:22.160 not an Islamist and who does not want to give 0:24:22.200 --> 0:24:25.000 in to Sharia laws, convert and give in to Sharia law. 0:24:25.520 --> 0:24:29.480 So nobody is safe in the West, and we have 0:24:29.560 --> 0:24:32.520 to start and to look what happens. Then New York, 0:24:33.359 --> 0:24:37.360 the main sight of nine to eleven, elects a radical 0:24:37.480 --> 0:24:43.320 Islamist mayor. So you know, I mean, people, it's if 0:24:43.320 --> 0:24:46.960 there are histories, if life goes on and there are 0:24:47.119 --> 0:24:50.880 history books, true history books, students in the future will 0:24:50.960 --> 0:24:56.040 just be incredulous that Americans did not do something before 0:24:56.119 --> 0:24:59.840 all of this, And in fact there's something they just stopped. 0:25:00.720 --> 0:25:04.280 The FBI foiled a plot in Los Angeles. There was 0:25:04.320 --> 0:25:08.360 going to be a terrorist for New Year's East. I mean, 0:25:08.720 --> 0:25:12.359 this is happening all around. It's going to continue to happen. 0:25:12.520 --> 0:25:15.320 Well, a lot of a lot unless we do something. 0:25:15.560 --> 0:25:18.400 A lot of it is happening in this country because 0:25:18.600 --> 0:25:23.440 and in other countries, to be honest, because of unvetted 0:25:23.560 --> 0:25:28.040 immigration and the open border policy of Joe Biden and 0:25:28.200 --> 0:25:34.480 the refuge program for Somalia started way back when. That 0:25:34.560 --> 0:25:40.440 has turned parts of Minnesota into Little Somalia and parts 0:25:40.480 --> 0:25:46.160 of Dearborn, Michigan into an Islami state almost. I mean, 0:25:46.440 --> 0:25:49.960 you look at the people that are being elected. Elan 0:25:50.080 --> 0:25:53.800 Omar was one of those Somali refugees and she got 0:25:53.840 --> 0:25:58.400 elected to the House of Representatives there and she's calling 0:25:59.480 --> 0:26:06.560 for uh into fada essentially. I mean, this is this 0:26:06.600 --> 0:26:11.439 is happening because we have allowed our culture in America 0:26:11.720 --> 0:26:17.280 to be poisoned by this Islamist tate. And you know, 0:26:17.400 --> 0:26:22.600 and we don't have any hatred toward anyone as a society. 0:26:23.520 --> 0:26:29.359 I mean, well we have been to too. You know, 0:26:29.480 --> 0:26:31.640 there's a point. I mean, it's of course you want 0:26:31.640 --> 0:26:34.840 to be kind to people, all kinds of people, but 0:26:35.080 --> 0:26:38.320 there's there's being naives and there's being ignorant. I mean, 0:26:38.359 --> 0:26:39.320 that is the problem. 0:26:40.000 --> 0:26:40.159 You know. 0:26:40.200 --> 0:26:43.679 It's like gays for Gaza. When Yahu was here and 0:26:43.720 --> 0:26:48.560 spoke to Congress, he talked about gays for Gaza, because 0:26:48.840 --> 0:26:51.280 you know, if they were in Gaza, they'd be thrown 0:26:51.359 --> 0:26:54.160 off a roofs. And yet these people, all these people 0:26:54.200 --> 0:26:57.040 in Gaze for Gaza. It's not just the gays, you know, 0:26:57.080 --> 0:26:59.359 it's all the people who are in those protests and 0:26:59.400 --> 0:27:02.880 so on. They don't realize that these same people who 0:27:02.880 --> 0:27:05.919 they're trying to support are terrorists who want. 0:27:05.800 --> 0:27:06.400 To kill them. 0:27:08.119 --> 0:27:13.720 It's like signing your own death warrant, basically, right, Oh 0:27:13.760 --> 0:27:17.840 so what is What do you think is the answer then, 0:27:18.080 --> 0:27:21.840 other than being aware that this is a real problem 0:27:22.320 --> 0:27:25.200 and that action must be taken, what kind of action 0:27:25.240 --> 0:27:27.200 would doctor Carol Lieberman suggest? 0:27:28.920 --> 0:27:33.200 Well, a number of things. First of all, we need 0:27:33.240 --> 0:27:35.840 to start seeing much more careful about who we elect, 0:27:36.160 --> 0:27:42.480 even to dogcatcher, you know, and of course to mayor 0:27:43.080 --> 0:27:45.399 and of course the governor and all of that, to 0:27:45.480 --> 0:27:50.800 make sure how knowledgeable they are about terrorism and terrorists. 0:27:51.440 --> 0:27:55.040 H Then also I think we need to each community 0:27:55.640 --> 0:27:59.800 needs to have a committee that talks about these things 0:28:00.200 --> 0:28:03.640 and what they're going to do to prevent anti Semitism, 0:28:03.920 --> 0:28:07.480 to be able to fight terrorists, you. 0:28:07.400 --> 0:28:07.639 Know, to. 0:28:09.160 --> 0:28:12.080 To not just wait for people on the top to 0:28:12.160 --> 0:28:15.320 figure out a solution, but to start doing things themselves 0:28:15.680 --> 0:28:18.080 and to start educating themselves. And that's of course the 0:28:18.119 --> 0:28:21.920 other place that is, you know, a big, big problem. 0:28:23.720 --> 0:28:26.720 Kids don't learn the true history. They don't learn the 0:28:26.720 --> 0:28:29.240 true history of America, and they don't certainly learn the 0:28:29.240 --> 0:28:32.720 true history of terrorism, because that would be considered as 0:28:32.760 --> 0:28:36.400 long as they'd be Islama, folks. I mean in some 0:28:36.680 --> 0:28:39.800 most schools, many schools, they don't even teach about what 0:28:39.880 --> 0:28:44.920 nine to eleven is. All the educational departments have to 0:28:44.920 --> 0:28:47.800 be revamped and to tell the truth. And you know, 0:28:47.840 --> 0:28:51.120 when I was first after nine to eleven, when I 0:28:51.160 --> 0:28:54.680 first became the terrorist therapist, you know, helping people cope 0:28:54.680 --> 0:28:56.280 with terrorism and all that, and then just come back 0:28:56.320 --> 0:29:00.320 from Israel, by the way, I was there volunteering helping 0:29:00.320 --> 0:29:05.000 people cope with the trauma from October seventh. So when 0:29:05.000 --> 0:29:07.560 I was first decided I'm going to do this, I 0:29:07.600 --> 0:29:10.160 had to educate myself about terrorism. I really didn't know 0:29:10.280 --> 0:29:12.760 very much, and so I went to conferences and read 0:29:12.800 --> 0:29:16.120 books and all kinds of things. And at these conferences, 0:29:16.400 --> 0:29:21.120 people who were experts on terrorism talked about how terrorism 0:29:21.360 --> 0:29:24.200 terrorists were going to be taking over America, but not 0:29:24.440 --> 0:29:27.800 necessarily just by nine to eleven attacks or similar kinds 0:29:27.800 --> 0:29:32.680 of attacks, but by infiltrating themselves in the education system, 0:29:33.040 --> 0:29:35.960 in politics, and in the media. And that is exactly 0:29:36.000 --> 0:29:38.960 what happened. And they knew this, you know, twenty four 0:29:39.040 --> 0:29:43.360 years ago. So and yet not enough has been done 0:29:43.400 --> 0:29:45.520 to stop it. 0:29:46.000 --> 0:29:51.440 Well, you talked about revamping our educational systems, so the 0:29:51.520 --> 0:29:59.600 next generation is taught about terrorism, about freedom and history 0:30:00.040 --> 0:30:00.560 in general. 0:30:01.240 --> 0:30:01.440 You know. 0:30:02.600 --> 0:30:06.160 It's another situation where we've taken the Bible and God 0:30:06.280 --> 0:30:10.720 out of our public life, in public schools, you know, 0:30:10.960 --> 0:30:13.480 and they could read their Bible and learn about the 0:30:13.600 --> 0:30:18.440 history of Israel, you know what, they could understand that 0:30:18.480 --> 0:30:23.240 this isn't like a problem from the last fifty sixty years, 0:30:24.720 --> 0:30:25.160 that this. 0:30:25.080 --> 0:30:28.040 Has been going on for this has been going on. 0:30:27.920 --> 0:30:32.160 For thousands of years. That Israel is the promised land 0:30:32.320 --> 0:30:37.640 given to the Jews by God as their home. I mean, 0:30:37.960 --> 0:30:40.880 if you look at the real history of that region, 0:30:42.400 --> 0:30:45.400 it belongs to the Jews. I guess that makes you 0:30:46.080 --> 0:30:48.920 It makes me a Zionist. But okay, oh well I'm 0:30:48.960 --> 0:30:54.840 a Zionist then because Israel is for Jews, yes, and 0:30:54.880 --> 0:30:57.160 not people that want to kill them. 0:30:57.840 --> 0:31:00.400 Yes. I mean you have to go back. If you 0:31:00.480 --> 0:31:02.480 go back and back and back, you know, then you 0:31:02.560 --> 0:31:06.000 realize that this there never was a Palestine for one, 0:31:07.240 --> 0:31:11.680 so you know, yes, this is and what's ironic about 0:31:11.720 --> 0:31:15.800 the Fundai attack is the man who was the hero. 0:31:16.720 --> 0:31:19.240 You know, I have the gun from one of the gunmen. 0:31:20.080 --> 0:31:25.480 He was from Syria and conica all about how the 0:31:25.560 --> 0:31:32.440 Syrians attacked the temple, destroyed the temple, and and how 0:31:32.640 --> 0:31:35.680 there was a little bit of oil left and they 0:31:35.840 --> 0:31:39.040 tried they lit a candle with it, and so they 0:31:39.040 --> 0:31:42.840 thought it would last for just one day, and it 0:31:42.880 --> 0:31:45.120 turned out to last for eight days. And so about 0:31:45.160 --> 0:31:49.080 the eight nights of Honkah, the miracle, a miracle happened. 0:31:49.120 --> 0:31:51.680 Here is what is the saying for the. 0:31:51.880 --> 0:31:55.960 Miracle of light. And by the way, happy hanaka doctor Carol. 0:31:56.120 --> 0:31:59.320 I didn't get a chance, thank you, thank you. Yes. 0:31:59.720 --> 0:32:02.320 So so look at the irony like a nice thing, 0:32:02.800 --> 0:32:06.040 you know, a positive thing. Okay, they destroyed the temple 0:32:06.120 --> 0:32:10.200 many years ago, but Assyrians, you know, stop this attack. 0:32:10.280 --> 0:32:12.640 That's really irony and it's really lovely. 0:32:13.240 --> 0:32:15.080 It is that the bravery of that man. 0:32:15.480 --> 0:32:18.800 I'm watching that video and just like look like some 0:32:18.920 --> 0:32:21.360 kind of an action movie or something. But I mean, yes, 0:32:21.800 --> 0:32:24.880 that that guy's a hero for sure, and he paid 0:32:24.880 --> 0:32:27.200 for it with an injury. But it looks like he's 0:32:27.240 --> 0:32:29.880 going to be getting out of the hospital and fine 0:32:29.920 --> 0:32:35.160 shape when it's all said and done. So Australia, of course, 0:32:35.480 --> 0:32:38.520 isn't blaming anti semitism. I was just on the phone 0:32:38.520 --> 0:32:43.760 with my friend Dan was author of Gun Goodgunbadguy dot com. Uh, 0:32:44.120 --> 0:32:47.440 they're planning, they're planning on more restrictive gun laws because 0:32:47.920 --> 0:32:52.480 this father and son terrorist team had licensed guns in Australia, 0:32:52.520 --> 0:32:56.360 which is almost impossible to get a licensed permit in 0:32:56.760 --> 0:33:01.320 Australia to have a gun, and so they're the Australian 0:33:01.360 --> 0:33:06.160 government's answer isn't to attack anti semitism. It's for stricter 0:33:06.320 --> 0:33:09.200 gun laws. That's how backward these people are. 0:33:10.120 --> 0:33:13.360 Absolutely, of course that's what they do here when yeah, 0:33:13.400 --> 0:33:15.920 there's a school shooting. Oh we have to make stricter 0:33:16.000 --> 0:33:21.280 gun laws. Yes, not address the problem, you know, because 0:33:21.600 --> 0:33:24.680 in some ways the well, for a number of reasons. 0:33:24.680 --> 0:33:26.840 One because there are people who want to do that anyway, 0:33:26.880 --> 0:33:30.400 which is so dangerous because you could get someone in 0:33:30.640 --> 0:33:33.840 it as the president who doesn't have well like we 0:33:33.920 --> 0:33:36.400 had Biden and like we had Obama who didn't really 0:33:36.440 --> 0:33:40.560 have American's best interests at heart. So we do need 0:33:40.600 --> 0:33:44.800 to be able to have guns. But you have to 0:33:44.800 --> 0:33:47.240 go deeper than that. You know, you have to look 0:33:47.280 --> 0:33:49.680 at well for the kids. You have to look at kids' 0:33:49.760 --> 0:33:52.440 mental health and how to help them, and certainly for 0:33:52.480 --> 0:33:56.440 anti Semitism, you have to work on changing that. You know, 0:33:56.480 --> 0:34:01.400 there are so many, so many inventions, technical inventions in particular, 0:34:01.440 --> 0:34:04.520 but all kinds of things that Israelis have done. You know, 0:34:04.600 --> 0:34:07.640 people would be shocked, like their telephones would be taken 0:34:07.720 --> 0:34:10.879 away in your cell phones and all that and lots 0:34:10.880 --> 0:34:13.400 of other technical things that they rely on. You know, 0:34:13.560 --> 0:34:15.440 if if there hadn't been. 0:34:15.360 --> 0:34:21.200 Israel, doctor Kara Lieherman, America's psychiatrists, the terrorist therapist. 0:34:21.400 --> 0:34:22.680 Thank you so much for your. 0:34:22.520 --> 0:34:27.000 Time, and we can pray for peace and better days, 0:34:27.080 --> 0:34:29.040 but we can't ignore the problem. 0:34:29.320 --> 0:34:30.440 And I think that's absolu. 0:34:30.960 --> 0:34:35.960 All right, Thank you so much, thank you, and I 0:34:36.080 --> 0:34:39.600 say Merry Christmas, and I say it's time for a break. 0:34:39.640 --> 0:34:43.840 And when we come back, more Nightcap, including Richard Lyons 0:34:43.880 --> 0:34:45.760 on the DNA of Democracy. 0:34:46.280 --> 0:34:48.320 You're on seven hundred w LW. 0:34:49.000 --> 0:34:52.640 Into our number two of tonight's night tap on seven 0:34:52.719 --> 0:34:57.160 hundred W l W. Gary jeff And joining us now, 0:34:57.840 --> 0:35:04.279 author and poet, the author of DNA, DNA of Democracy 0:35:04.360 --> 0:35:09.040 and Shadows of the Acropolis, and so many things to 0:35:09.080 --> 0:35:14.759 talk about regarding what feels different and why we're not 0:35:15.000 --> 0:35:19.840 living up to our birthright as a country right now. 0:35:20.239 --> 0:35:23.400 Richard Lyons joins us tonight. And the first thing Richard 0:35:23.440 --> 0:35:25.239 said when I called him on the phone a few 0:35:25.280 --> 0:35:31.319 moments ago was I'm sorry about Joe Burrow. And you know, 0:35:31.400 --> 0:35:34.520 before we get to weightier issues, Richard, let's let's go 0:35:34.520 --> 0:35:39.880 ahead and tackle this one. Nothing to feel bad about 0:35:40.360 --> 0:35:45.200 regarding Joe Burrow except feeling bad for him that he's 0:35:45.320 --> 0:35:48.680 saddled with a franchise that obviously doesn't want to win 0:35:48.760 --> 0:35:52.000 as badly as he does, and they prove it every 0:35:52.120 --> 0:35:58.320 year and sadly the best years of Joe Burrow's life. 0:35:58.680 --> 0:36:01.520 He maybe feels this way too, He hasn't said so publicly. 0:36:01.920 --> 0:36:06.120 Have been wasted on this moribund franchise that can't seem 0:36:06.160 --> 0:36:08.839 to get out of its own way. Any thoughts on that? 0:36:09.640 --> 0:36:12.200 Oh well, He's just he needs two things. He needs 0:36:12.239 --> 0:36:15.440 a couple of things. He needs an offensive line, they 0:36:15.440 --> 0:36:17.160 can stop the opponent's defense. 0:36:17.360 --> 0:36:18.480 Yeah, and he needs a. 0:36:18.440 --> 0:36:23.120 Defense that can stop the opponent. He needs a great deal. 0:36:23.239 --> 0:36:25.520 Well, we had neither of those yesterday in a twenty 0:36:25.560 --> 0:36:29.560 four to nothing lost to the Baltimore Ravens, including two 0:36:29.600 --> 0:36:35.560 more Joe Burrow interceptions, which is not the usual Joe 0:36:35.600 --> 0:36:40.719 Burrow modus operandi. I mean, he's thrown two interceptions each 0:36:40.800 --> 0:36:45.320 in the last two games, and people blame Joe Burrow 0:36:45.640 --> 0:36:48.160 just cannot see the fours for the trees. 0:36:48.320 --> 0:36:49.680 It's it's it's amazing. 0:36:50.160 --> 0:36:50.359 Yeah. 0:36:50.400 --> 0:36:54.000 I think he's just exhausted because it's such an impossible position. 0:36:54.440 --> 0:36:56.319 He said, So you tend to you tend to lose 0:36:56.360 --> 0:36:59.680 spirits when when you know you're not going to get 0:36:59.719 --> 0:37:00.640 to where you need to go. 0:37:01.440 --> 0:37:05.719 You know, And let's blend. Let's segue that into our conversation, 0:37:05.880 --> 0:37:09.480 our greater conversation. Talking to Richard Lyons on the Nightcap, 0:37:10.160 --> 0:37:15.279 as author of The DNA of Democracy and Shadows of 0:37:15.320 --> 0:37:21.040 the Acropolis, do you think that it's easy for Americans 0:37:21.040 --> 0:37:23.960 who care about their country of pride in this country 0:37:24.040 --> 0:37:28.160 and pride in what it stands for and was based upon. 0:37:29.520 --> 0:37:31.399 Do you think that a lot of us are getting 0:37:31.440 --> 0:37:34.359 a little tired and worn out from what's happening from 0:37:34.400 --> 0:37:35.400 within our country. 0:37:36.040 --> 0:37:39.880 Well, that's a really good question, but we shouldn't. And 0:37:40.080 --> 0:37:43.480 I'll try and describe why I wrote the DNA of 0:37:43.480 --> 0:37:48.520 Democracy series because I feel the American people need an 0:37:48.600 --> 0:37:54.640 education on the unique brilliance of the history of this country. 0:37:55.080 --> 0:37:59.520 It is unexampled in world history that we had a 0:37:59.520 --> 0:38:04.040 country fought for the rights of humanity, a country that 0:38:04.120 --> 0:38:08.640 fought for the divine rights given to every individual. This 0:38:08.719 --> 0:38:12.760 is a system that is opposite to the tyrannical systems 0:38:12.760 --> 0:38:16.759 of government that existed throughout human history. And so when 0:38:16.800 --> 0:38:19.040 you go to the point in seventeen eighty seven Gary 0:38:19.440 --> 0:38:24.040 where they're constructing the Constitution, they took elements of common 0:38:24.120 --> 0:38:28.280 law from the Ten Commandments. They took elements of rights 0:38:28.400 --> 0:38:32.879 trial by jury from the Greek democracy in Athens. They 0:38:32.920 --> 0:38:38.000 took examples of home of property ownership and of commercial 0:38:38.080 --> 0:38:43.440 rights from Rome, and again from England and its common 0:38:43.520 --> 0:38:46.120 laws and the Magna Carta. And I put all that 0:38:46.239 --> 0:38:50.920 together to show how these are each cornerstones of our 0:38:51.120 --> 0:38:56.040 unique constitution and were put there very deliberately to protect 0:38:56.160 --> 0:39:01.520 us from systems of tyranny. Which are like social socialism 0:39:01.719 --> 0:39:04.720 is a tyrannical form of government. And what we're seeing 0:39:04.719 --> 0:39:08.080 in America today, and this is where Shadows of the 0:39:08.120 --> 0:39:11.239 Acropolis comes in. It's a chronicle of the last one 0:39:11.320 --> 0:39:17.200 hundred years, beginning with Woodrow Wilson and the slow incremental 0:39:17.239 --> 0:39:20.359 growth of socialism in this country to the point where 0:39:20.400 --> 0:39:24.040 today you have Mamdani running as an open socialist in 0:39:24.160 --> 0:39:29.120 New York and uh in California you have a governor 0:39:29.120 --> 0:39:30.439 who who acts like one. 0:39:31.040 --> 0:39:32.560 Yeah, no doubt about it. 0:39:32.960 --> 0:39:35.080 And that's where we are. And so we really were 0:39:35.120 --> 0:39:39.440 at we're at a critical point, right it was we were. 0:39:39.480 --> 0:39:41.399 We were at a critical point in the Civil War 0:39:42.000 --> 0:39:45.440 and it cost a million casualties to correct the flaw, 0:39:45.560 --> 0:39:49.680 the flaw of slavery in the original Constitution. We now 0:39:49.760 --> 0:39:53.320 stand at a point where the Democrat Party has invited 0:39:53.320 --> 0:39:56.799 in and grown socialism for one hundred years. And we 0:39:56.920 --> 0:40:01.040 have to face this now and have faith in the 0:40:01.080 --> 0:40:04.919 cornerstones of our country. And they are a faith in federalism, 0:40:05.360 --> 0:40:10.080 a faith in representative government and not in the administrative state, 0:40:10.719 --> 0:40:15.400 a faith in constitutional law, faith in free enterprise, and 0:40:16.000 --> 0:40:19.279 acknowledge the gift that Judaeo Christianity is. 0:40:19.239 --> 0:40:20.000 To this system. 0:40:22.600 --> 0:40:27.120 These are faiths which demand humility and understanding and peace 0:40:27.719 --> 0:40:31.040 with political opponents, which socialism does not do. 0:40:31.600 --> 0:40:34.680 No, Aman, you've seen the rise of the left, the 0:40:34.719 --> 0:40:40.440 socialism socialists that you're talking about, and how they are 0:40:40.880 --> 0:40:44.800 have no compunction at all against using violence to achieve 0:40:44.880 --> 0:40:45.520 their goals. 0:40:45.960 --> 0:40:48.080 And if they do not do it legally, they do 0:40:48.160 --> 0:40:51.799 it extra legally, which is through the administrative state. And 0:40:51.880 --> 0:40:54.160 if they can't do it there or bend the elbow 0:40:54.320 --> 0:40:58.720 of the judiciary, then yes, they use violence. You're exactly right. 0:40:59.200 --> 0:41:01.920 And we've seen time and time again on the. 0:41:02.000 --> 0:41:07.000 Left where when they burned out two hundred cities, oh 0:41:07.680 --> 0:41:09.040 because they were saying angry. 0:41:09.560 --> 0:41:12.479 You know, the city of Cincinnati did a pretty good 0:41:12.640 --> 0:41:15.480 job during the riots of twenty twenty, I will give 0:41:15.520 --> 0:41:18.760 them credit, but still we had that here. It wasn't 0:41:18.840 --> 0:41:22.560 just in Seattle or Portland or Los Angeles or any 0:41:22.600 --> 0:41:27.480 of these major leftist cities. It happened everywhere, and it 0:41:27.600 --> 0:41:32.520 was condoned by leaders at the time as justice for 0:41:32.680 --> 0:41:35.920 George Floyd. You know, the time where the rest of 0:41:36.000 --> 0:41:39.640 us were being told that we had to wear masks 0:41:39.760 --> 0:41:42.200 if we went outside the house because of the threat 0:41:42.239 --> 0:41:46.520 of the COVID boogeyman. If you were if you were 0:41:46.680 --> 0:41:50.560 writing and setting things on fire to Black Lives Matter 0:41:50.680 --> 0:41:53.440 rally and you weren't mirroring a mask, well that was 0:41:53.719 --> 0:41:57.320 justified because you know, COVID's not going to touch people 0:41:57.320 --> 0:42:02.319 who were rioting for a just cause, were not peacefully protesting. 0:42:03.920 --> 0:42:04.960 We did see that. 0:42:05.200 --> 0:42:09.040 And no, the other tie to the rise of socialism 0:42:09.719 --> 0:42:11.680 is the rise of globalism. 0:42:12.120 --> 0:42:13.400 Yes, in our world. 0:42:13.880 --> 0:42:16.760 You know that they're talking about a world in which 0:42:17.120 --> 0:42:20.040 we won't no one will own anything, but we'll have 0:42:20.080 --> 0:42:23.320 a nice little apartment box and a big screen TV 0:42:23.640 --> 0:42:24.280 and we'll. 0:42:24.080 --> 0:42:26.360 Be happy at a bucket of popcorn. 0:42:26.440 --> 0:42:28.839 Yeah great, and we'll be happy. 0:42:28.800 --> 0:42:32.680 Yes, No, that's exactly so. And you find the global 0:42:33.440 --> 0:42:38.640 The way we were constructed originally was that most politics 0:42:39.040 --> 0:42:42.640 were local. It was at the town assembly that you 0:42:42.719 --> 0:42:47.080 exerted direct democracy and let people in your town know 0:42:47.160 --> 0:42:49.200 how you feel, and if you had a better way 0:42:49.200 --> 0:42:54.000 of doing things, your idea carried the vote. What this 0:42:54.120 --> 0:42:57.200 creeping socialism has done for one hundred years has taken 0:42:57.280 --> 0:43:02.200 governance from local and state government and taking all that 0:43:02.320 --> 0:43:04.680 power and all that money and put it in one 0:43:04.760 --> 0:43:10.640 city and DC centralized it and redistributed it so that 0:43:10.719 --> 0:43:13.800 they determine who gets money back from all the taxes 0:43:13.800 --> 0:43:16.560 that we pay, and they do so based on whether 0:43:16.600 --> 0:43:20.239 you carry, whether you carry the water for the political 0:43:20.280 --> 0:43:23.640 will of the Democrat Party. So this is where we're 0:43:23.640 --> 0:43:26.880 at today. What we need to we need to go 0:43:27.000 --> 0:43:29.960 back to federalism. We need to decentralize as much as 0:43:29.960 --> 0:43:33.040 we can. And there's a there's a great case before 0:43:33.680 --> 0:43:38.399 the Supreme Court which will determine whether Donald Trump can 0:43:38.480 --> 0:43:41.319 go to an agency which he is theoretically as the 0:43:41.400 --> 0:43:46.319 executive running, and replace the heads of those agencies or 0:43:46.480 --> 0:43:51.120 evacuate them all together. Right, And I think his best 0:43:51.200 --> 0:43:55.759 example is what he's doing with the Education Department, where 0:43:55.760 --> 0:43:58.759 he's unraveling the department and taking all that power and 0:43:58.800 --> 0:44:01.600 giving it back to the state. And I think that's 0:44:01.640 --> 0:44:03.320 what needs to be happening here. 0:44:03.600 --> 0:44:06.600 Well, you know, I think that there's hope that they 0:44:06.640 --> 0:44:11.040 will make that determination at the highest court in the land. 0:44:11.080 --> 0:44:15.080 They already did something really, really good a couple of 0:44:15.120 --> 0:44:17.600 years ago with the Chevron decisions. 0:44:17.200 --> 0:44:19.279 So exactly, which took the. 0:44:19.320 --> 0:44:24.880 Power out of these administrative states, the administrative state, the 0:44:24.960 --> 0:44:31.239 unelected bureaucrats in these administrations, agencies that are appointed, not elected, 0:44:31.960 --> 0:44:36.120 and you know, giving the power back to Congress and 0:44:36.200 --> 0:44:40.560 the president as far as rules and regulations, and Donald 0:44:40.600 --> 0:44:44.680 Trump has been instrumental in deregulating a lot of these 0:44:45.920 --> 0:44:51.719 draconian administrative state kind of rules made by people who 0:44:52.320 --> 0:44:54.680 don't have any accountability. 0:44:54.160 --> 0:44:54.680 To the city. 0:44:54.960 --> 0:44:57.239 I don't think. I don't know, if you know, most 0:44:57.280 --> 0:45:01.279 people in America don't understand that the administrative state is, 0:45:01.719 --> 0:45:07.440 by its function, a fourth part of our government. Yeah, 0:45:07.480 --> 0:45:14.359 and they exercise legislative characteristics, executive and judicial characteristics, and 0:45:14.440 --> 0:45:19.279 investigative powers all in one. And this is exactly why 0:45:20.840 --> 0:45:23.680 our government is broken into three branches, because you never 0:45:23.760 --> 0:45:27.080 want that. And so you have four hundred and ninety 0:45:27.080 --> 0:45:31.239 five agencies peopled by a couple of million people that 0:45:31.320 --> 0:45:35.600 are making rules for the country that never pass the legislature, 0:45:36.080 --> 0:45:38.080 and if you don't follow their rules, they can find 0:45:38.080 --> 0:45:41.800 you or jail you. That is not how we were founded. 0:45:42.000 --> 0:45:45.640 That is truly taxation without representation, which is what we 0:45:45.760 --> 0:45:46.720 broke away from. 0:45:46.520 --> 0:45:47.120 The King for. 0:45:47.440 --> 0:45:50.920 Yeah, exactly, exactly so, and so that's what my two 0:45:50.960 --> 0:45:53.799 books go into. Why did we leave the King and 0:45:53.880 --> 0:45:56.719 why have we gotten back to that? How have we 0:45:56.760 --> 0:45:59.080 gotten back to that? And we have a government that's 0:45:59.600 --> 0:46:03.480 un answerable to our will. It's supposed to be our government, 0:46:04.120 --> 0:46:07.040 but we are being treated now like we're subjects, and 0:46:07.080 --> 0:46:08.440 that's the growth of socialism. 0:46:09.000 --> 0:46:10.880 Can we look back, Richard Lyons, to. 0:46:12.719 --> 0:46:16.000 What happened to the democracy in ancient Greece and what 0:46:16.200 --> 0:46:21.040 happened to what what was the Roman Empire? And why 0:46:21.160 --> 0:46:25.200 they fell? Are we seeing Are we seeing similar signs here? 0:46:25.880 --> 0:46:28.600 Yeah? They Well, in Athens, I would point out that 0:46:28.680 --> 0:46:31.880 there was a there was a central treasury of the 0:46:32.000 --> 0:46:35.480 League of Greek City States that formed an answer to 0:46:35.520 --> 0:46:39.520 the Persian invasions, and its treasury was held in Delos. 0:46:39.760 --> 0:46:42.360 So that would be the equivalent in the United States 0:46:42.400 --> 0:46:44.200 of oh, the treasury is in Missouri. 0:46:44.440 --> 0:46:44.680 Okay. 0:46:44.760 --> 0:46:44.960 Right. 0:46:45.760 --> 0:46:49.680 Then Athens got arrogant and Athens said, no, we're going 0:46:49.719 --> 0:46:51.560 to take the treasury from being in Delos. We're going 0:46:51.640 --> 0:46:54.440 to put it in Athens. And not just that, but 0:46:54.560 --> 0:46:57.200 every one of the league in the Delian League is 0:46:57.239 --> 0:47:01.440 a lesser city state than Athens. From now on, Athens 0:47:01.440 --> 0:47:06.279 will dictate to the Delian League that was contrary to 0:47:05.760 --> 0:47:09.480 the to the federalism that the Greek city states enjoyed. 0:47:10.000 --> 0:47:12.920 And again, so it's a concentration of power again. And 0:47:13.040 --> 0:47:16.800 with Rome, what happened was through a series of civil wars, 0:47:17.320 --> 0:47:21.120 the Senate started losing its power as a ballast of 0:47:21.160 --> 0:47:26.000 the state, and individuals started concentrating power in their own clans, 0:47:26.760 --> 0:47:30.160 and it ended up with the Julia Claudians winning the 0:47:30.239 --> 0:47:36.520 emperorship and that destroyed the Republic. It's always concentration of wealth, 0:47:36.960 --> 0:47:40.279 concentration of power, and that started in our country with 0:47:40.320 --> 0:47:41.200 Woodrow Wilson. 0:47:41.480 --> 0:47:45.040 Well don't you think that that kind of plays into 0:47:45.840 --> 0:47:49.320 this party system we have in this country that George 0:47:49.480 --> 0:47:51.960 Washington warned about as he was. 0:47:53.480 --> 0:47:56.680 Yes, that was it was one of the premier concerns 0:47:56.719 --> 0:48:03.719 of all the founders that by having magnetism in political 0:48:03.760 --> 0:48:07.239 parties where you formed different groups that combat at each 0:48:07.280 --> 0:48:10.120 other and vie for power, Yeah, that would be a 0:48:10.160 --> 0:48:15.360 problem because it naturally goes against individual rights, liberties, and interests. 0:48:16.360 --> 0:48:18.719 But that is how we're formed, and we have these 0:48:18.760 --> 0:48:23.880 two massive parties. And today I like the idea that 0:48:24.239 --> 0:48:27.799 the Republicans, rather than being a junior partner to the 0:48:27.840 --> 0:48:31.680 Democrat Party as it was for decades, We're now fighting 0:48:31.719 --> 0:48:36.480 for constitutional principles. We're now fighting for the education system 0:48:36.719 --> 0:48:39.760 to be given back to the states. We're now fighting 0:48:39.920 --> 0:48:43.439 like with Doge, where are these guys spending their money? 0:48:43.440 --> 0:48:48.400 How did Stacy Abrams get two billion dollars through the EPA. 0:48:49.400 --> 0:48:52.480 We're on the virtuous side of this fight, and I'm 0:48:52.560 --> 0:48:55.920 happy that the Republican Party is as strong as it 0:48:56.000 --> 0:48:56.200 is now. 0:48:56.440 --> 0:49:01.080 Well, hopefully it can maintain that strength through the midterms 0:49:01.080 --> 0:49:04.840 coming up. And yeah, absolutely there are signs pointing both 0:49:04.880 --> 0:49:08.359 ways as to how that goes right now, but we're 0:49:08.440 --> 0:49:09.239 still months off. 0:49:10.160 --> 0:49:12.640 Well, I think we really need a central message. 0:49:12.680 --> 0:49:12.799 Now. 0:49:12.960 --> 0:49:16.719 The beauty of Trump was maga make America great again. 0:49:17.120 --> 0:49:21.279 Now there's a hundred policies under that, but everybody recognizes 0:49:21.320 --> 0:49:25.080 that line. Everybody has that hat, and that's what everybody 0:49:25.160 --> 0:49:27.400 voted for. So I think we need you know, it 0:49:27.480 --> 0:49:29.920 needs to We need to know we're fighting for the Constitution, 0:49:30.480 --> 0:49:35.399 We're fighting for free enterprise, We're fighting for federalism. I mean, 0:49:35.440 --> 0:49:38.480 federalism is a virtue that we've forgotten. But we in 0:49:38.800 --> 0:49:42.200 we in in Ohio shouldn't be paying for the sins 0:49:42.200 --> 0:49:45.640 of California, or for the sins of New York. If 0:49:45.640 --> 0:49:48.799 we run our budgets right, we should be rewarded for that. 0:49:49.640 --> 0:49:51.080 It shouldn't be redistributed. 0:49:51.440 --> 0:49:52.600 No, exactly. 0:49:53.400 --> 0:49:56.560 Let me ask you, Richard Lyons, Uh, what what other 0:49:56.680 --> 0:50:01.279 federal agencies this adminis straight of state would you like 0:50:01.360 --> 0:50:05.640 to see disbanded? If you had the power to suggest 0:50:06.160 --> 0:50:10.840 to the President and the powers that be, what besides 0:50:10.880 --> 0:50:13.359 the Department of Education needs to go? Because I can 0:50:13.400 --> 0:50:15.440 think of about four or five myself. 0:50:16.520 --> 0:50:20.400 I would think if we make a virtuous enough tax system, 0:50:20.800 --> 0:50:22.280 we could do without the irs. 0:50:22.440 --> 0:50:25.080 Amen, there you go, all. 0:50:25.080 --> 0:50:30.080 Right, I think the Department of Energy could go. I 0:50:30.200 --> 0:50:35.360 think that, to be honest, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, 0:50:35.480 --> 0:50:38.840 Firearms and Explosives doesn't need to exist. 0:50:38.960 --> 0:50:41.400 Leave that to local law enforcement work. 0:50:41.239 --> 0:50:42.359 With the thing. 0:50:42.880 --> 0:50:45.800 All of these agencies and this is their weakness. Every 0:50:45.800 --> 0:50:49.480 agency has offices in every state, So why not let 0:50:49.560 --> 0:50:52.760 the states decide whether they want to keep that office 0:50:52.800 --> 0:50:56.360 in their state. Yeah, So if you want a Bureau 0:50:56.480 --> 0:51:00.000 of Tobacco Firearms in the state of Utah, keep it, 0:51:00.920 --> 0:51:02.640 but disband the one in Washington. 0:51:03.160 --> 0:51:06.160 Well, I always thought that alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms should 0:51:06.160 --> 0:51:08.680 be a store, not a government agency. 0:51:13.719 --> 0:51:15.560 Well, I think Joe Burrow is pulling up to the 0:51:15.640 --> 0:51:16.520 alcohol part of it. 0:51:16.760 --> 0:51:20.720 Well, I don't know. Do you see that sad press 0:51:20.719 --> 0:51:21.960 conference on his birthday? 0:51:22.760 --> 0:51:28.200 My gosh, it just he is such a natural quarterback. Yeah, 0:51:28.200 --> 0:51:30.000 I mean everything about him, he's the natural. 0:51:30.120 --> 0:51:32.399 He was the best quarterback in the NFL last year. 0:51:32.760 --> 0:51:33.720 Yeah, by farnuck. 0:51:34.200 --> 0:51:34.799 And he's suck. 0:51:35.719 --> 0:51:39.360 Yeah, he is stuck and he doesn't like it. 0:51:39.400 --> 0:51:40.600 And I don't blame him. 0:51:40.880 --> 0:51:46.960 I mean, you know, it almost shrieks of Andrew Luck 0:51:47.400 --> 0:51:52.520 with the Indianapolis Colts and others you've seen that just 0:51:52.520 --> 0:51:54.640 just went to the wrong team. And I hate to 0:51:54.680 --> 0:51:58.520 say that about your Bengals, folks, but you know, and 0:51:58.920 --> 0:52:00.920 like you know, they didn't not even I'm going to 0:52:00.960 --> 0:52:03.200 get into this with the wild Man later on tonight, 0:52:03.320 --> 0:52:08.280 Wildman Walker. They didn't even. And the NFL requires teams 0:52:08.320 --> 0:52:14.040 to clean snow off of benches and railings before a game. Yeah, 0:52:14.080 --> 0:52:15.440 and the Bengals did. 0:52:15.239 --> 0:52:15.880 Not do that. 0:52:16.280 --> 0:52:20.160 And they did not allow fans to bring cardboard or 0:52:20.200 --> 0:52:23.840 anything to stand on. When they didn't clean off the 0:52:24.280 --> 0:52:28.000 stadium like they're supposed to under National Football League rules. 0:52:28.520 --> 0:52:29.600 I'd like to see him. 0:52:29.440 --> 0:52:32.480 Find for not doing well that you know, there's a 0:52:32.520 --> 0:52:35.240 real health hazard to that. Oh yeah, clips on the ice, 0:52:35.320 --> 0:52:36.120 for God's. 0:52:35.800 --> 0:52:37.360 Sake, exactly. 0:52:37.520 --> 0:52:39.000 You're a lot of liability there. 0:52:39.120 --> 0:52:42.799 And it's not like we live in an overly litigious society. 0:52:45.360 --> 0:52:47.120 The Democrats love that too, by the way. 0:52:47.239 --> 0:52:49.720 Oh yes, they do money for free. 0:52:50.120 --> 0:52:54.120 Anything else you'd like to add here in our closing minute, No, but. 0:52:54.080 --> 0:52:55.920 I take hope in this. I take hope in this 0:52:56.080 --> 0:52:59.319 that Trump was elected in twenty sixteen when we were 0:52:59.320 --> 0:53:04.799 about to become institutionally socialist under Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama, 0:53:04.960 --> 0:53:08.840 that while he was out of power, right while he 0:53:08.920 --> 0:53:12.439 was in power twenty sixteen to twenty twenty, he got 0:53:12.440 --> 0:53:15.960 a majority in the Supreme Court. And now you're watching 0:53:16.000 --> 0:53:20.520 with Chevron and other issues that they are rolling back 0:53:20.600 --> 0:53:21.720 the administrative state. 0:53:22.239 --> 0:53:22.520 Good. 0:53:22.640 --> 0:53:24.799 So this is all good. That Trump got elected again 0:53:24.840 --> 0:53:27.880 in twenty four knowing what he had to do, knowing 0:53:27.880 --> 0:53:31.600 what his cabinets should be composed of, he got a 0:53:31.640 --> 0:53:36.839 lot of great people. I think we're better off from 0:53:36.840 --> 0:53:40.759 that one election to twenty sixteen that we can really recognize. 0:53:40.760 --> 0:53:43.719 I think history will recognize it more than we do now. 0:53:43.840 --> 0:53:46.440 All right, Richard lyonce, thank you so much the DNA 0:53:46.480 --> 0:53:50.000 of Democracy, Shadows of the Acropolis. Look for him and 0:53:50.239 --> 0:53:54.160 get yourself an education on the way things you're supposed 0:53:54.160 --> 0:53:54.360 to be. 0:53:54.840 --> 0:53:56.280 All right, Thanks Garry. 0:53:56.280 --> 0:53:59.040 You take care of him. Merry Christmas Richard an to you. 0:53:59.400 --> 0:53:59.799 All right. 0:54:01.000 --> 0:54:03.720 We will continue in just a few moments. My friend 0:54:03.840 --> 0:54:08.880 Dan was was here with us earlier. Another buddy, Drew Allen. 0:54:09.160 --> 0:54:11.839 First time in probably two two and a half years 0:54:11.880 --> 0:54:14.240 i've had Drew on. He's got a brand new book 0:54:16.719 --> 0:54:20.080 about Charlie Kirk and about the movement the turning point 0:54:20.160 --> 0:54:27.800 USA has begun, and about what's really important. So stick 0:54:27.840 --> 0:54:30.719 around for that after a break on the nightcap on 0:54:30.800 --> 0:54:36.920 seven hundred WLW. 0:54:38.680 --> 0:54:39.919 As I mentioned. 0:54:39.600 --> 0:54:43.160 Before the break, it's been a long long time since 0:54:43.520 --> 0:54:46.480 I had the pleasure of having Drew Thomas Allen on. 0:54:46.760 --> 0:54:51.680 We first met, gosh six seven years ago. Probably he 0:54:51.880 --> 0:54:56.440 was helping me book guests on this show and always 0:54:56.520 --> 0:54:59.600 gave me the best people and he still does to 0:54:59.680 --> 0:55:01.560 this Hey, but he's also an author. 0:55:02.120 --> 0:55:03.120 He's also a father. 0:55:03.280 --> 0:55:07.560 By the way, we'll start the conversation this way, Drew Allen, 0:55:08.120 --> 0:55:09.840 how is the family. 0:55:10.040 --> 0:55:11.120 How's everybody doing? 0:55:12.280 --> 0:55:13.120 Oh, they're good man. 0:55:13.200 --> 0:55:17.279 My oldest is approaching three rapidly, she'll be three of 0:55:17.320 --> 0:55:19.040 the inn of March. So I keep saying two and 0:55:19.080 --> 0:55:20.400 a half. I've been saying two and a half for 0:55:20.480 --> 0:55:23.359 like three months. But anyway, and then and my other 0:55:23.480 --> 0:55:27.520 daughters rapidly approaching one. She'll be one in January. So 0:55:27.520 --> 0:55:29.240 so yeah, busy, it's a blessing. 0:55:29.560 --> 0:55:32.320 I haven't I haven't talked to you since the birth 0:55:32.320 --> 0:55:35.600 of your second child. That's how long it's been. But 0:55:35.800 --> 0:55:38.880 God bless you. I'm I'm glad that it is a blessing, 0:55:38.960 --> 0:55:42.279 and I hope it's some merrier Christmas with all of 0:55:42.320 --> 0:55:44.880 that baby joy around the Allen house. 0:55:46.160 --> 0:55:48.080 Yeah, you get to readlive your childhood a little bit, 0:55:48.120 --> 0:55:49.000 so it's an amazing thing. 0:55:49.239 --> 0:55:49.799 Yeah. 0:55:50.480 --> 0:55:54.600 The latest book that Drew has written is called for 0:55:54.719 --> 0:55:58.759 Christ and Country, The Martyrdom of Charlie Kirk. A lot 0:55:58.760 --> 0:56:03.640 of Charlie Cookbrooks kirkbooks out there right now. Erica has 0:56:03.800 --> 0:56:08.239 been front and center his widow and there's a new controversy. 0:56:08.320 --> 0:56:09.400 Maybe we can get into that. 0:56:10.040 --> 0:56:14.680 But first and foremost, why did you feel compelled to 0:56:14.680 --> 0:56:16.080 write a book about Charlie Kirk? 0:56:16.160 --> 0:56:16.399 Drew? 0:56:18.120 --> 0:56:20.480 Well, I didn't intend to write a book straight away, 0:56:21.800 --> 0:56:23.719 I'll just tell the quick story, and I have a 0:56:23.800 --> 0:56:25.840 very strong point that I think your audience will relate to. 0:56:26.040 --> 0:56:28.279 So you mentioned I'm a father, I am. I'm thirty eight. 0:56:29.840 --> 0:56:33.120 I don't usually pick up my daughter from school from preschool, 0:56:33.120 --> 0:56:35.480 but my wife told me that morning that the previous 0:56:35.560 --> 0:56:37.440 day she'd gone to pick up our daughter from school, 0:56:37.440 --> 0:56:39.719 and my daughter come to the car and been really 0:56:39.719 --> 0:56:42.239 disappointed because I wasn't there. She was like dad, adding car, 0:56:42.280 --> 0:56:44.759 his dad had there, and she kept saying. My wife said, no, 0:56:44.840 --> 0:56:49.319 he'sn't home. And I said, you know what, I'm gonna 0:56:49.320 --> 0:56:52.000 come with you and we're gonna pick her up. I 0:56:52.040 --> 0:56:53.520 want to see that joy on her face when she 0:56:53.560 --> 0:56:56.200 sees her dad there. And so as we pulled into 0:56:56.200 --> 0:56:58.960 the parking lot of the school, I got the notification 0:56:59.000 --> 0:57:00.239 that Charlie had been shot. 0:57:00.440 --> 0:57:02.480 And you know, i'd been. 0:57:02.320 --> 0:57:04.040 There before in the sense that we all were there 0:57:04.080 --> 0:57:06.799 when when Trump got shot at the Butler Pennsylvania rally, 0:57:06.800 --> 0:57:09.360 but it was really quickly revealed that he was okay, 0:57:09.800 --> 0:57:11.640 and this was different. So I was scrolling on my 0:57:11.640 --> 0:57:14.759 phone refreshing news feeds while my wife went to get 0:57:14.760 --> 0:57:18.520 her daughter, and then I saw the video and anybody 0:57:18.520 --> 0:57:21.080 who saw that video knew, like it's not humanly possible, 0:57:21.720 --> 0:57:22.000 you know. 0:57:22.040 --> 0:57:25.400 To survive it. Just it was just so gruesome, and. 0:57:25.560 --> 0:57:29.600 I mean it all looked it almost looked computer generated 0:57:29.720 --> 0:57:31.840 when I saw it the first time, and it just 0:57:31.880 --> 0:57:36.040 didn't look real and it didn't feel real. But unfortunately 0:57:36.080 --> 0:57:36.960 it was go ahead. 0:57:38.040 --> 0:57:39.800 Well yeah, and it still kind of feels that way, 0:57:39.840 --> 0:57:43.080 like I can't believe he's gone. But in the moment 0:57:43.160 --> 0:57:46.439 that I realized he was dead, I mean, my gut 0:57:46.480 --> 0:57:49.440 told me that my daughter was running to the car 0:57:49.520 --> 0:57:52.400 and she was so happy and like yelling at the 0:57:52.480 --> 0:57:53.440 top of the lungs. 0:57:53.200 --> 0:57:56.000 Dad, Dad as in the car, Dad as in car. 0:57:56.080 --> 0:57:59.960 And as I embraced my daughter, you know, I realized, 0:58:00.200 --> 0:58:03.960 like Charlie's little girl's never gonna have that experience again. 0:58:04.160 --> 0:58:06.800 And it just it like it crushed me, man. 0:58:07.160 --> 0:58:09.080 And you know, I was Charlie's publicist last summer for 0:58:09.160 --> 0:58:11.160 Right Wing Revolution, but I didn't know him personally. 0:58:11.200 --> 0:58:12.840 And that's the that's the core of the book. I 0:58:12.880 --> 0:58:13.360 make that clear. 0:58:13.440 --> 0:58:16.200 And I'm writing like millions of Americans who just felt 0:58:16.200 --> 0:58:18.680 devastated and we're trying to understand why. I mean, we've 0:58:18.720 --> 0:58:20.520 all the older you get, the more people die, right, 0:58:20.560 --> 0:58:24.800 And so I've lost people, but nobody affected me like Charlie. 0:58:24.800 --> 0:58:26.439 And part of it was it was so close to home. 0:58:26.800 --> 0:58:28.880 He had two kids who were roughly my kid's age, 0:58:28.920 --> 0:58:31.600 had in his case a daughter and a son. 0:58:32.400 --> 0:58:35.600 And I cried for a week, Gary like I. 0:58:35.760 --> 0:58:37.440 The next morning, I slept it by my wi my 0:58:37.520 --> 0:58:40.120 daughter's oldest daughter's crib that night, just because I wanted 0:58:40.160 --> 0:58:40.960 to be close to her. 0:58:42.080 --> 0:58:43.959 The next morning, at breakfast, I just broke down. 0:58:44.000 --> 0:58:46.120 She touched me with her little oatmeal covered hands at 0:58:46.120 --> 0:58:49.040 the breakfast table, and I just like, I just wept. 0:58:49.200 --> 0:58:51.840 And my daughter, you know, his dad has a dada, 0:58:51.880 --> 0:58:53.480 has an auchi and my wife said, yeah, he has 0:58:53.480 --> 0:58:54.600 an aushae on his heart, you know. 0:58:54.640 --> 0:58:56.640 And I just I was. 0:58:56.560 --> 0:58:59.800 Grappling with this, and and I knew Charlie was, you know, 0:58:59.840 --> 0:59:02.040 in important. But I don't think anyone, I don't I 0:59:02.040 --> 0:59:04.040 don't think anyone understood how important he was because he 0:59:04.040 --> 0:59:06.600 planted a lot of seeds and apparently he planted seeds 0:59:06.640 --> 0:59:08.920 for me too. And then as I was watching his 0:59:09.200 --> 0:59:11.680 videos and his sermons effectively, because he was kind of 0:59:11.720 --> 0:59:14.400 like a preacher, really set down to because he put 0:59:14.480 --> 0:59:18.600 he put his faith first. I just it just it 0:59:18.720 --> 0:59:22.840 just moved me, and it it just challenged me to 0:59:22.960 --> 0:59:25.160 confront like the gap in myself between the man I 0:59:25.200 --> 0:59:27.400 wanted to be and kind of the man Charlie became. 0:59:27.520 --> 0:59:28.880 Charlie wasn't always that Charlie Kirk. 0:59:28.920 --> 0:59:32.160 He had a hunger for truth, a hunger for knowledge 0:59:32.240 --> 0:59:35.960 and and faith and deepening that stuff. And so I 0:59:36.000 --> 0:59:38.320 still had this residual fear because I'd lost so many 0:59:38.320 --> 0:59:40.960 friends Democrat friends in twenty twenty. And even though I 0:59:41.000 --> 0:59:43.120 told myself I was courageous. I mean, I'm not tepid. 0:59:43.280 --> 0:59:45.920 I write books, I do a podcast, I come on shows. 0:59:45.960 --> 0:59:48.720 But he went into hostile environments and I would never 0:59:48.760 --> 0:59:51.160 have done that in the past because I just like 0:59:51.280 --> 0:59:54.800 the sting of, like of of the secular world, you know, 0:59:54.880 --> 0:59:57.360 And and so it killed that fear in me too. 0:59:57.400 --> 1:00:00.560 And so I went on this journey because I wanted 1:00:00.560 --> 1:00:02.000 people to understand why this happened. 1:00:02.040 --> 1:00:02.480 Who did it? 1:00:02.480 --> 1:00:07.600 It was the left transgender movement, and to talk to 1:00:07.640 --> 1:00:09.480 Americans about what we have to do to prevent this. 1:00:09.600 --> 1:00:12.240 And it's just that's what it was kind of born of. 1:00:12.280 --> 1:00:13.720 And then there are all these issues we need to 1:00:13.720 --> 1:00:15.280 talk about as a country, because I don't want to 1:00:15.320 --> 1:00:18.000 live in a country where this happens. Not only where 1:00:18.040 --> 1:00:20.600 this happens, but you know, I've got a chapter called 1:00:20.640 --> 1:00:22.120 nine ten is the new nine to eleven. That's not 1:00:22.160 --> 1:00:24.400 to downplay nine to eleven, But I remember when the 1:00:24.440 --> 1:00:26.480 towers fell when I was a freshman, Gary Jeff. And 1:00:27.600 --> 1:00:32.360 even more shocking than the event itself was the reaction 1:00:32.480 --> 1:00:34.880 by Muslims in the Middle East that were celebrating our pain. 1:00:35.960 --> 1:00:38.880 And that was happening in the United States of America 1:00:38.920 --> 1:00:40.160 by leftists. 1:00:40.640 --> 1:00:43.840 Celebrating Charlie's death. Yeah, it disgusted me. 1:00:44.400 --> 1:00:49.360 And the thing is, we on the right, for the 1:00:49.400 --> 1:00:55.560 most part, don't have hatred against our political enemies or 1:00:55.600 --> 1:00:57.919 against the people that disagree with us. 1:00:58.040 --> 1:00:59.840 We don't generally do that. 1:01:00.760 --> 1:01:05.600 The left, it seems, has a pensiant for thinking violence 1:01:05.640 --> 1:01:08.880 is okay. And you look and poll after poll around 1:01:08.880 --> 1:01:13.320 this country. If you're looking at Democrats or people who 1:01:13.400 --> 1:01:19.160 identify as Democrats, people on the left are condoning. I mean, 1:01:19.560 --> 1:01:24.200 they're in favor. They think it's okay sometimes to commit 1:01:24.360 --> 1:01:29.000 violence against someone that you disagree with. And that's really 1:01:29.040 --> 1:01:31.640 a bad trend. In this country that has just risen 1:01:31.760 --> 1:01:33.640 up over the last five to ten years. 1:01:33.720 --> 1:01:34.959 Drew. 1:01:35.800 --> 1:01:38.680 Yeah, I mean it started with Trump's election twenty sixteen, 1:01:39.560 --> 1:01:41.800 and I get into an address on that. 1:01:42.120 --> 1:01:43.440 This book's very personal too, but. 1:01:45.320 --> 1:01:48.120 It started in twenty sixteen, and then by twenty twenty 1:01:48.160 --> 1:01:52.720 is when it really mistastatized, metastized, right, because you know, 1:01:52.720 --> 1:01:54.520 I didn't lose my friends in twenty sixteen the first 1:01:54.560 --> 1:01:56.479 time I voted for Trump. I did in twenty twenty 1:01:56.520 --> 1:01:59.960 because that constant drumbeat of hatred and the human is 1:02:00.400 --> 1:02:03.240 is what it was led people to excommunicate me from 1:02:03.240 --> 1:02:06.680 their lives just because of politics. And so there's moral 1:02:06.720 --> 1:02:09.320 relatives on the left. Charlie talked about it. We believe 1:02:09.320 --> 1:02:10.440 in transcendent. 1:02:09.960 --> 1:02:12.360 Power in God. They are moral absolutes, and the left 1:02:12.360 --> 1:02:13.040 doesn't believe that. 1:02:13.120 --> 1:02:16.320 So you know, Trump, I mean, well Trump too, But 1:02:16.680 --> 1:02:18.720 Charlie to the left was just a clump of sales. Right, 1:02:18.760 --> 1:02:22.080 It's just like an unborn baby wild. If you don't 1:02:22.120 --> 1:02:24.000 want the baby, it's a clump of sales. But if 1:02:24.000 --> 1:02:25.880 you want it, it's a baby. You know, you get 1:02:25.880 --> 1:02:28.080 the sonogram and it's like, that's a beautiful baby. If 1:02:28.080 --> 1:02:29.960 you want it and if you don't, it's just a 1:02:30.000 --> 1:02:32.880 thing to be discarded and killed. And so that's what 1:02:32.920 --> 1:02:36.200 they viewed Charlie kirkas. He wasn't somebody. He wasn't a father, 1:02:36.320 --> 1:02:39.040 a husband, a human being. He was just you know, 1:02:39.600 --> 1:02:41.680 it was crazy what they did because they said his 1:02:41.760 --> 1:02:44.560 words were violence, and then they said actual violence that 1:02:44.640 --> 1:02:45.200 took his life. 1:02:45.200 --> 1:02:46.320 You know that was righteous. 1:02:46.560 --> 1:02:50.080 Yeah, it's insane. It is insane, and you're right. It 1:02:50.160 --> 1:02:53.800 is very much like people Islamist in the Middle East 1:02:54.360 --> 1:02:58.320 dancing with joy when the towers came down in this country. 1:02:58.560 --> 1:03:00.720 Back in two thousand and one, we're. 1:03:00.600 --> 1:03:05.520 Talking to Drew Allen about his new book For Country 1:03:06.200 --> 1:03:10.360 or for Christ and Country rather get it right, Christ First, Always, 1:03:10.560 --> 1:03:14.640 For Christ and Country. The Martyrdom of Charlie Kirk. There 1:03:14.720 --> 1:03:18.280 was a meeting earlier today. I've not heard how it 1:03:18.440 --> 1:03:23.840 turned out between Erica Kirk and Candace Owens. Candace Owens 1:03:23.880 --> 1:03:30.600 has raised Erica Kirk's ire and caused some controversy for 1:03:30.720 --> 1:03:35.000 sailing saying that Tyler Robinson did not kill Charlie Kirk 1:03:36.600 --> 1:03:39.920 that and pointing to the fact that she thinks it 1:03:40.000 --> 1:03:43.440 was an inside job by people at turning point USA 1:03:43.720 --> 1:03:47.640 that allowed this to happen or were complicit in Charlie's death, 1:03:49.000 --> 1:03:51.960 and she says she has sources, she has leaks. I 1:03:52.000 --> 1:03:55.760 saw the interview, the YouTube thing on Seeing Andrew, and 1:03:56.440 --> 1:04:00.160 you know, I've enjoyed Candace Owens in the past, but 1:04:00.840 --> 1:04:03.600 I saw this and she wasn't very convincing to me 1:04:04.280 --> 1:04:07.000 that she had real proof of this when the interviewer 1:04:07.120 --> 1:04:11.400 kept pressing her. I mean, any comments on that. 1:04:13.840 --> 1:04:17.959 Yeah, she's she's lost the plot. 1:04:18.040 --> 1:04:19.160 She's not one of us. 1:04:18.960 --> 1:04:22.360 She's an instrument of an evil at this point in destruction. 1:04:23.520 --> 1:04:26.040 And let me just say broadly before our narrow in 1:04:26.200 --> 1:04:30.840 on her, we had an opportunity here to really address 1:04:31.520 --> 1:04:34.600 and defeat the left because a radical wise leftist killed 1:04:34.680 --> 1:04:37.480 Charlie Kirk. Now you can ask questions about this and that, 1:04:38.000 --> 1:04:41.960 but the evidence is pretty clear that it was Tyler 1:04:42.040 --> 1:04:46.880 Robinson certainly. And the enemy that we face that we 1:04:47.040 --> 1:04:51.280 rallied to confront in the previous presidential election is we 1:04:51.360 --> 1:04:53.760 understand that the greatest threats of this country is the 1:04:53.840 --> 1:04:57.000 left and their violence and their ideology. And we spent 1:04:57.040 --> 1:04:59.080 the last three months because of people like Charlie, because 1:04:59.120 --> 1:05:02.800 of people like can So's not focusing on the issue 1:05:02.840 --> 1:05:05.560 we need to confront, talking about conspiracy theories and pulling 1:05:05.600 --> 1:05:08.240 the finger, even insinuating that Errika Kirk was involved in 1:05:08.280 --> 1:05:12.400 the assassination of her own husband. And Candice Own is 1:05:12.440 --> 1:05:16.320 somebody who turned Charlie Kirk's assassination into a stage for 1:05:16.120 --> 1:05:21.480 her to perform, and it's outrageous, and look the the 1:05:21.640 --> 1:05:25.440 the he her own comments prove that she's full of 1:05:25.480 --> 1:05:29.040 crap because she keeps changing the story. You know, she 1:05:29.040 --> 1:05:33.280 she points out some Egyptian planes presence coincidence, and that 1:05:33.400 --> 1:05:36.560 of course doesn't actually link to anything at all. And 1:05:36.560 --> 1:05:39.120 then it was you know, a trapdoor that the Jews 1:05:39.160 --> 1:05:41.560 did it. No, it was mac Ron and the French 1:05:41.600 --> 1:05:44.760 Foreign Legion that kills in. I mean, you're proving that 1:05:44.800 --> 1:05:47.760 you're full of crap by not following through with your 1:05:48.120 --> 1:05:51.720 your previous accusation with the receipts, and she keeps saying, 1:05:51.720 --> 1:05:54.160 I've got receipts, I've got this, and it never ends 1:05:54.240 --> 1:05:55.120 up going anywhere. 1:05:55.600 --> 1:05:57.480 And you know, her followers at this point are very 1:05:57.560 --> 1:05:58.560 much like leftists. 1:05:58.800 --> 1:06:01.040 And let me be clear too, Cannis Owens and these 1:06:01.080 --> 1:06:02.840 people are not looking for the truth. 1:06:02.840 --> 1:06:05.760 They're looking for conspiracy theories. There's a very big difference. 1:06:05.800 --> 1:06:09.840 And you know, they operate from the position that it 1:06:09.880 --> 1:06:13.959 couldn't have been the guy who actually killed Charlie Kirk, 1:06:14.280 --> 1:06:17.800 and so therefore any evidence that would prove far more 1:06:17.840 --> 1:06:20.080 than anything they're throwing out there that he is the killer, 1:06:20.600 --> 1:06:22.960 they dismissed because they don't believe he did it. It's 1:06:23.000 --> 1:06:26.520 kind of like brock Hussein Obama, our first Muslim president, 1:06:26.560 --> 1:06:29.439 you know, the Billy Graham of Islam, who every time 1:06:29.440 --> 1:06:31.960 you had a Jahadis attack, he would come out and 1:06:31.960 --> 1:06:35.720 defend Islam because he operated from this position that Islam 1:06:35.800 --> 1:06:38.360 was religion of peace and therefore Islam could have nothing 1:06:38.360 --> 1:06:40.960 to do with these murders. Well, these people were operating 1:06:41.000 --> 1:06:44.040 from a similar assumption. Well, it couldn't have been the killer. 1:06:44.080 --> 1:06:45.800 So therefore anything that would point to the killer, we're 1:06:45.840 --> 1:06:47.960 going to separate and say this isn't it. No, it's 1:06:47.960 --> 1:06:52.040 Egyptian planes and trap doors and Jews and the French 1:06:52.040 --> 1:06:54.760 Foreign Legion and it's a brigettunch he killed them, or. 1:06:54.720 --> 1:06:55.640 They're penis or whatever. 1:06:55.720 --> 1:06:55.880 You know. 1:06:55.880 --> 1:06:57.240 I mean, I just I can't do it. 1:06:57.840 --> 1:06:58.040 Well. 1:06:58.440 --> 1:07:01.480 Candice Owens used to see to me to be a 1:07:01.520 --> 1:07:06.880 pretty reasonable person. And I found her, like I said, 1:07:07.320 --> 1:07:10.200 entertaining an instructive in years past. I don't know what's 1:07:10.240 --> 1:07:14.040 happened to her other than this need to have people 1:07:14.080 --> 1:07:16.360 pay attention to her. Is she doing it for clicks 1:07:16.400 --> 1:07:18.160 for likes? Is is that what it is? 1:07:19.800 --> 1:07:20.000 Yeah? 1:07:20.040 --> 1:07:23.720 I mean, look, she's obviously a narcissist. She turned Carl's 1:07:23.680 --> 1:07:29.480 assassination into a story about herself. And you know, I 1:07:29.800 --> 1:07:32.000 tiptok to people at turning Point and people around there, 1:07:32.040 --> 1:07:35.960 I mean Eric, I mean, you know cannas Ollens puts out, 1:07:36.120 --> 1:07:38.800 you know, text messages between her and Charlie from like 1:07:38.840 --> 1:07:42.800 twenty eighteen, you know, as if that's reflective of was 1:07:42.840 --> 1:07:45.880 reflective of her current relationship with the organization and Charlie. 1:07:46.760 --> 1:07:48.680 Charlie was a decent person that wasn't going to go 1:07:48.720 --> 1:07:50.760 and throw her under the bus in public. He took 1:07:50.800 --> 1:07:54.280 the higher ground, like Erica Kirk has until you know, 1:07:55.000 --> 1:07:57.680 Canus forced her to have to come out and say something. 1:07:58.560 --> 1:08:00.720 And you know, Canna keep playing the VICTI I she 1:08:00.800 --> 1:08:04.880 operates like she's a Marxist. That's that's that's the the 1:08:05.040 --> 1:08:08.120 strategy she uses. And she's always the victim of everything 1:08:08.200 --> 1:08:12.840 and not the bully. And I just you know, she 1:08:12.840 --> 1:08:15.120 she was exommunicating that group a long time ago. People 1:08:15.120 --> 1:08:18.599 were we were done with her years ago. I mean, 1:08:18.840 --> 1:08:22.400 she wasn't associated with TPUSA. She's over a daily wire 1:08:22.400 --> 1:08:24.240 and doing her thing, and so I mean she acts 1:08:24.280 --> 1:08:27.320 more like a spurned lover, like a jealous ex girlfriend. 1:08:27.360 --> 1:08:31.439 That's like trying to you know, come out and settle 1:08:31.560 --> 1:08:32.839 personal scores. 1:08:32.920 --> 1:08:37.479 You know, that's that's really really sad for Christ and Country. 1:08:37.479 --> 1:08:40.120 The Martyrdom of Charlie Kirk is Drew Allen's new book. 1:08:40.360 --> 1:08:43.439 I understand you've had some trouble getting it out there. 1:08:43.479 --> 1:08:46.840 For some reason, people bought the Brooke book and then 1:08:46.920 --> 1:08:48.160 Amazon suspended it. 1:08:49.200 --> 1:08:50.360 What is Amazon doing? 1:08:52.040 --> 1:08:56.160 Yeah, well, yeah, I mean I I can't speak with 1:08:56.200 --> 1:08:59.960 complete certainty except that I think there was a war 1:09:00.600 --> 1:09:02.400 that oh there were gonna be a bunch of Charlie 1:09:02.439 --> 1:09:04.840 kirkbooks come out that are AI generated and so on 1:09:04.880 --> 1:09:07.759 and so forth. And I mean I have a publisher, 1:09:07.880 --> 1:09:10.639 Eric Mataxas wrote the endorsement on the front of the cover. 1:09:11.040 --> 1:09:13.320 So I'm not smoking schmuck face, you know, I have 1:09:13.560 --> 1:09:16.320 a publisher, Post Tail Press, that actually did a couple 1:09:16.400 --> 1:09:19.600 of Charlie's books as well, and when they tried to 1:09:19.720 --> 1:09:22.360 upload the book to Amazon it got blocked. 1:09:22.479 --> 1:09:25.400 Then they got it through and people were buying it. 1:09:25.400 --> 1:09:30.080 It was really rising through the rankings, and then sometime, 1:09:30.479 --> 1:09:34.200 I guess on Saturday night or by Sunday morning, people 1:09:34.200 --> 1:09:36.880 are texting me saying, hey, we can't buy your book. 1:09:36.920 --> 1:09:38.559 Every time we go to buy it now it says, 1:09:38.560 --> 1:09:42.400 you know, we can't deliver to the address. So whatever's happened, 1:09:42.439 --> 1:09:46.040 my book has been throttled and sabotaged, and you know, 1:09:46.080 --> 1:09:48.639 the publisher's working to get it fixed. But it's really 1:09:48.720 --> 1:09:52.639 frustrating because you know, this is a book that I 1:09:52.680 --> 1:09:56.360 feel like it's very important because it refocuses and grounds 1:09:56.360 --> 1:10:01.040 our movement and Charlie's legacy frankly and moving forward again, 1:10:01.800 --> 1:10:04.040 and you know it's being. 1:10:04.920 --> 1:10:06.760 I've never had this happen before, Darren Jeff. 1:10:06.800 --> 1:10:09.040 I mean, it's just it's it's I mean, I get 1:10:09.080 --> 1:10:10.840 some of the concerns out there about people who are 1:10:10.880 --> 1:10:12.639 writing these AI books or whatever else. 1:10:12.720 --> 1:10:13.320 This is not that. 1:10:14.240 --> 1:10:17.879 And yet somehow, you know, my book can't be be purchased. 1:10:17.920 --> 1:10:20.000 I mean, they'll they'll get it fixed at some point, 1:10:20.080 --> 1:10:21.639 but you know, I don't. I don't. 1:10:21.680 --> 1:10:23.880 I don't really know what to do because I don't 1:10:23.920 --> 1:10:26.519 want to point fingers in the wrong place. I don't 1:10:26.520 --> 1:10:32.120 want to pull candas owns. Yeah, I am frustrated, but 1:10:32.320 --> 1:10:35.280 you know it's just it's tough man. 1:10:35.520 --> 1:10:36.519 Well it's important. 1:10:36.520 --> 1:10:41.160 And you addressed this earlier that the title is for 1:10:41.240 --> 1:10:47.720 Christ and country, Christ first and people. I mean, I 1:10:47.760 --> 1:10:51.480 don't think people until they started examining in the aftermath 1:10:51.560 --> 1:10:56.719 of Charlie's death, that that's what Charlie was about. Christ first, 1:10:57.280 --> 1:11:02.280 Country second, you know, and family probably wedged in between 1:11:02.360 --> 1:11:06.040 those two because they were so important and dear to him, 1:11:07.080 --> 1:11:10.160 and uh he was. You made you made the point 1:11:10.200 --> 1:11:14.519 that his speeches and his rallies for turning Point USA 1:11:14.640 --> 1:11:18.240 were more like sermons, and you know, then he would 1:11:18.280 --> 1:11:22.479 open the floor up for people to engage in, you know, 1:11:23.080 --> 1:11:26.200 a debate, a discussion about the things that he'd addressed 1:11:26.200 --> 1:11:29.280 in these sermons that he was giving around the country 1:11:29.320 --> 1:11:30.520 on college campuses. 1:11:31.360 --> 1:11:35.160 You speak to that, Yeah, yeah, I mean that's what 1:11:35.240 --> 1:11:37.760 made Charlie unique and different is that most people want 1:11:37.840 --> 1:11:41.080 you know, uh, friendly, you know, curated audiences. 1:11:41.400 --> 1:11:43.160 You know, they need a candy crally. 1:11:42.760 --> 1:11:46.640 Debate moderator to bail them out, like she bailed Obama 1:11:46.640 --> 1:11:50.519 out during that debate with mint Romney. And he he 1:11:50.600 --> 1:11:54.280 had so much conviction that was willing to go into 1:11:54.320 --> 1:11:58.680 hostile environments and talk because he he had a mastery 1:11:59.040 --> 1:12:00.679 of the truth and that's all he needed. 1:12:00.680 --> 1:12:03.000 He didn't need an army at his back. 1:12:03.280 --> 1:12:06.640 And you know, and that came from his faith, his 1:12:06.760 --> 1:12:10.240 Christian faith, and you know, his life and death totally 1:12:10.280 --> 1:12:13.080 transformed me. I mean, when people died in the past 1:12:13.120 --> 1:12:15.720 for a couple of days, maybe you know, I I 1:12:15.960 --> 1:12:16.800 thank God for the. 1:12:16.720 --> 1:12:19.040 Breath of my lungs. I'm a little bit more. 1:12:20.920 --> 1:12:24.439 Aware of the the you know, shortness, brevity of our 1:12:24.479 --> 1:12:27.120 time on this earth. But then I get back into 1:12:27.160 --> 1:12:30.240 the same old routine where it doesn't change. This changed 1:12:30.280 --> 1:12:34.240 me permanently, And I mean, I can't tell you how 1:12:34.280 --> 1:12:37.200 much I've been reading scripture and trying to deepen my 1:12:37.360 --> 1:12:40.000 faith and train like an athlete trains in the gym 1:12:40.040 --> 1:12:44.800 in terms of from an academic perspective of preparing for 1:12:44.880 --> 1:12:48.720 debates and mastering my own belief, so that I had 1:12:48.720 --> 1:12:51.759 that conviction that he had. I'm just I'm not afraid anymore, 1:12:51.880 --> 1:12:53.479 you know, which is such a weird thing to say 1:12:53.520 --> 1:12:56.040 because it was so shocking and it is scary to 1:12:56.080 --> 1:12:58.799 see what happened to a truth teller in this world 1:12:58.800 --> 1:13:01.439 that embraces life, eyes and hatred. 1:13:02.000 --> 1:13:04.080 And yet it's you know, to watch. 1:13:03.920 --> 1:13:08.200 Him basically fulfill what Christ promised us. You know, look, 1:13:08.640 --> 1:13:12.120 you're you're gonna be persecuted for following me. He took 1:13:12.160 --> 1:13:13.880 that all the way to the very end. And that's 1:13:13.880 --> 1:13:16.160 why also in the book, I say he was absolutely 1:13:16.200 --> 1:13:19.880 a martyr, and I think that millions of other people 1:13:19.920 --> 1:13:21.320 have been changed and you're not. There's not gonna be 1:13:21.320 --> 1:13:24.080 another Charlie Kirk ever again, just like there was never 1:13:24.160 --> 1:13:27.519 gonna be another Rush Limbaugh. All it's necessary, though, is 1:13:27.560 --> 1:13:30.800 for people like me and millions of others, thousands of 1:13:30.800 --> 1:13:34.080 others even to you know, pick up the. 1:13:34.000 --> 1:13:36.880 Baton and carry Carrie. 1:13:37.000 --> 1:13:38.800 You know, his race is finished, I guess you could 1:13:38.800 --> 1:13:42.040 say in ours is just beginning, and you know, we've 1:13:42.080 --> 1:13:44.040 got to step into the void, not to not to 1:13:44.760 --> 1:13:47.960 you know, I mean, like I said, he's irreplaceable, but 1:13:48.000 --> 1:13:50.760 we but we can, we can collectively still fight to 1:13:50.760 --> 1:13:52.479 continue that legacy and save the country. 1:13:52.920 --> 1:13:55.280 We just have to have that conviction that he had. 1:13:55.439 --> 1:13:58.960 Continue to uh attempt to get Drew's book for Christ 1:13:59.160 --> 1:14:03.080 and Country, The Martyrdom of Charlie Kirk. It should be available, 1:14:03.360 --> 1:14:06.840 hopefully by this week and this nonsense stops, and Drew, 1:14:07.120 --> 1:14:10.160 I have some suggested reading for you with what we 1:14:10.360 --> 1:14:11.120 just talked about. 1:14:12.240 --> 1:14:12.759 I'm ready. 1:14:12.920 --> 1:14:18.200 That is Ephesians chapter six, verses ten through twenty, about 1:14:18.240 --> 1:14:24.439 putting on the armor of God, because our struggle is not, 1:14:24.680 --> 1:14:27.439 as it says, against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, 1:14:27.439 --> 1:14:30.080 against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world, 1:14:30.160 --> 1:14:35.439 and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms. Therefore, 1:14:35.520 --> 1:14:38.320 put on the full armor of God, so that when 1:14:38.320 --> 1:14:41.040 the day of evil comes, you're able to stand your ground. 1:14:41.080 --> 1:14:44.840 And after you've done everything to stand firm, stand firm, then, 1:14:44.960 --> 1:14:47.800 with the belt of truth buckled around your waist, with 1:14:47.920 --> 1:14:51.160 a breastplate of righteousness in place, and with your feet 1:14:51.240 --> 1:14:54.639 fitted with the readiness that comes from the Gospel of peace. 1:14:55.080 --> 1:14:55.479 Amen. 1:14:57.120 --> 1:14:59.040 Amen. That's one of my favorite scriptures. 1:14:59.080 --> 1:15:02.479 And you know we don't live for man's applause. 1:15:02.560 --> 1:15:05.679 The only applause me to live for is our Lord 1:15:05.680 --> 1:15:06.320 and saviors. 1:15:06.600 --> 1:15:09.960 And if you can have that attitude like Charlie, did 1:15:10.880 --> 1:15:15.360 you know you are unstoppable in terms of you know, 1:15:15.400 --> 1:15:16.679 your journey on this earth. 1:15:16.720 --> 1:15:19.160 I mean, you know they can kill you. But look 1:15:19.439 --> 1:15:20.559 look what his murder did. 1:15:20.600 --> 1:15:24.680 I mean, I know it's amazing. Drew. Great luck with 1:15:24.720 --> 1:15:25.960 the book and we'll talk soon. 1:15:25.840 --> 1:15:28.799 Okay, friend, thanks brother, love you. 1:15:28.600 --> 1:15:29.000 You got it. 1:15:29.040 --> 1:15:29.799 Merry Christmas? 1:15:30.640 --> 1:15:34.439 Uh break and then back a lot more nightcap to come, 1:15:34.800 --> 1:15:40.000 tagging our scheduled guest Bill Convoys. So in lieu of that, 1:15:40.800 --> 1:15:44.760 a very interesting interview I did last year well a 1:15:44.800 --> 1:15:50.120 man named Shotgun Tom Kelly on American History on the radio. 1:15:50.439 --> 1:15:54.920 Here is part two of that convo with the shotgun. 1:15:55.680 --> 1:15:59.440 They lie in boothills all through the West, the outlaws, 1:15:59.560 --> 1:16:02.439 the guns, the bit of the kids, and wiss say, 1:16:02.479 --> 1:16:04.560 a fellow like the cow that shot Bill Hiccock in 1:16:04.600 --> 1:16:07.200 the back. There's always one like that and every time 1:16:07.200 --> 1:16:11.280 of history. Sure most of them were vomits, but every 1:16:11.280 --> 1:16:14.040 once in a while and one of them I may 1:16:14.040 --> 1:16:15.200 have lived a man. 1:16:18.560 --> 1:16:22.920 We talked about Lauren Green and Ringo in our first segment. 1:16:22.960 --> 1:16:27.360 We're talking with Shotgun Tom Kelly, who has the same 1:16:27.479 --> 1:16:30.559 kind of voice as Lauren Green did. My God, he's 1:16:30.600 --> 1:16:35.080 a Monster American History on the radio. Shotgun Tom is 1:16:35.120 --> 1:16:39.320 our guest for the rest of this hour, and we're back. 1:16:40.000 --> 1:16:44.240 I wanted to ask you, Tom about your dad because 1:16:44.600 --> 1:16:46.640 in Tom's new book, all I want to do is 1:16:46.680 --> 1:16:49.479 play the hits out now on Amazon and anywhere you 1:16:49.520 --> 1:16:53.120 buy books about his career. In his life, you talk 1:16:53.160 --> 1:16:56.800 a lot about your dad, who was a train engineer 1:16:56.880 --> 1:16:59.400 back in the day, and there's stories in the book 1:16:59.800 --> 1:17:01.720 like the one you're gonna kind of share with us. 1:17:01.760 --> 1:17:03.120 Now, tell me about your dad. 1:17:03.800 --> 1:17:07.639 Yeah, dad was a locomotive train engineer for the Santa 1:17:07.680 --> 1:17:11.599 Fe in San Diego. And I remember Dad came home 1:17:12.240 --> 1:17:15.519 and he said, this actor they had a film crew 1:17:15.560 --> 1:17:17.960 there and they wanted now this is later on in 1:17:18.040 --> 1:17:23.960 the in the late fifties, and this actor Dad had 1:17:24.000 --> 1:17:26.759 to get on his knees and bring the F seven, 1:17:26.880 --> 1:17:30.720 which is the war bonnet, the red war bonnet, a 1:17:30.760 --> 1:17:34.479 beautiful engine into San Diego. And so the film crew 1:17:34.560 --> 1:17:37.599 from the television station was filming that had this guy 1:17:37.760 --> 1:17:41.560 get off. He was portrayed as an engineer, so he 1:17:41.640 --> 1:17:44.360 got he was an actor. But he got off the 1:17:44.439 --> 1:17:47.000 F seven Santa Fe engine and walked into the depot 1:17:47.040 --> 1:17:47.599 and then they. 1:17:47.520 --> 1:17:51.280 Cut and turns out he was my favorite. 1:17:51.000 --> 1:17:54.599 Children's show host. His name was Johnny Downs. He used 1:17:54.640 --> 1:17:58.599 to be Johnny of Our Gang, and so for years 1:17:58.680 --> 1:18:01.360 as a kid, I used to watch him on the 1:18:01.439 --> 1:18:04.320 air and I used to say, Hey, my dad is 1:18:04.400 --> 1:18:09.120 Johnny Downs's engineer. He portrayed an engineer, see, so just 1:18:09.200 --> 1:18:13.840 like engineer Bill in LA. But yeah, my dad told 1:18:13.840 --> 1:18:18.000 me that story, and he told me another story. He 1:18:19.439 --> 1:18:21.840 got the nod to be the engineer on the presidential 1:18:21.920 --> 1:18:24.960 train to bring the President of the United States into 1:18:25.040 --> 1:18:28.840 San Diego, picked him up in Los Angeles, came to 1:18:28.880 --> 1:18:34.280 San Diego, and then my dad hates crowds. He looked 1:18:34.280 --> 1:18:37.280 out one side of the engine and there were thousands 1:18:37.320 --> 1:18:39.840 of people waiting to see hear the president and see him. 1:18:40.360 --> 1:18:43.200 He looked out the other side and there was nobody, Gary, 1:18:43.560 --> 1:18:44.160 nobody there. 1:18:44.200 --> 1:18:45.040 So this was. 1:18:45.000 --> 1:18:48.600 My dad's job, was done his This is his opportunity 1:18:48.680 --> 1:18:50.840 to get out of there. He grabbed his grip, he 1:18:50.880 --> 1:18:53.120 got off the engine and he was making his way 1:18:53.120 --> 1:18:56.160 to his car as fast as possible, and this guy 1:18:56.240 --> 1:19:01.880 stopped him. He said, I've been with these foes all day. 1:19:01.880 --> 1:19:05.760 You're the engineer, aren't you. And my dad said, yes, 1:19:05.920 --> 1:19:09.320 mister President, I am. It was Harry Truman. Wow in 1:19:09.400 --> 1:19:12.280 nineteen forty eight. Yeah, so, annyway, my dad walked about 1:19:12.280 --> 1:19:15.000 one hundred yards with Harry and then the Secret Service 1:19:15.000 --> 1:19:19.040 got ahold of him. He bitted my dad goodbye, and 1:19:19.360 --> 1:19:21.560 then he spoke to the people. But you know, my 1:19:21.680 --> 1:19:25.000 dad told that story and it was one of his favorites. 1:19:25.040 --> 1:19:27.519 And I said, I'd love to meet a president someday. 1:19:27.920 --> 1:19:30.160 So my congressman got me the job of doing the 1:19:30.280 --> 1:19:33.360 MC job for a president who came to San Diego. 1:19:33.360 --> 1:19:36.200 And I did, and so he says, I have an idea. 1:19:36.880 --> 1:19:39.720 Why don't you you know your trademark, ranger. You don't 1:19:39.720 --> 1:19:41.960 have a smokey the bear hat that I wear because 1:19:42.000 --> 1:19:46.519 I did children's television for seventeen years locally here in 1:19:46.560 --> 1:19:49.920 San Diego and on my syndicated show Words of Poppin 1:19:50.439 --> 1:19:53.599 was syndicated around the country and I won two Emmys 1:19:53.640 --> 1:19:54.080 for that show. 1:19:54.080 --> 1:19:56.360 But anyway, the hat is a. 1:19:56.200 --> 1:19:59.720 Traditional thing that I've had in my career, and so 1:20:01.080 --> 1:20:04.240 I wanted to meet a president. So anyway, Duncan Hunter, 1:20:04.320 --> 1:20:07.880 my congressman made it happen. I went to the White 1:20:07.880 --> 1:20:11.960 House and this is all in the book. It's a 1:20:12.000 --> 1:20:16.400 deeper story in the book. But anyway, we're waiting outside 1:20:16.400 --> 1:20:21.880 the Oval office. Gary White House staff member comes and 1:20:22.080 --> 1:20:24.920 to tell us. And by the way, that hallway outside 1:20:24.960 --> 1:20:28.679 the oval it's not that big anyway, he said, duncan, Shotgun, 1:20:28.760 --> 1:20:30.920 the president is better to see you. So we go 1:20:30.960 --> 1:20:34.479 in the Oval office. The President is behind the resolute desk. 1:20:35.120 --> 1:20:37.679 He gets up from the resolute desk and he walks 1:20:37.720 --> 1:20:39.240 over to the shell bookcase. 1:20:39.720 --> 1:20:41.920 Well, Gary, he knows my name. 1:20:43.240 --> 1:20:47.120 He said, well, Shotgun, I understand that you were the 1:20:47.200 --> 1:20:50.360 MC and kept the people entertained why they're waiting for 1:20:50.479 --> 1:20:54.040 me in San Diego. And I said, yes, mister President. 1:20:53.680 --> 1:20:56.840 I did. And I bring you my trademark ranger. 1:20:56.479 --> 1:20:58.920 Hat, and I hope you'll put it on. And he goes, 1:20:58.960 --> 1:21:02.280 well he put it on. It was President Ronald Reagan 1:21:02.880 --> 1:21:03.320 in the book. 1:21:03.479 --> 1:21:08.000 That's a great Reagan impression. You do that really? Well, oh, well, 1:21:08.080 --> 1:21:10.320 I had a little nay. 1:21:11.680 --> 1:21:12.400 Michael Reagan. 1:21:12.600 --> 1:21:15.120 Michael Reagan, his son is friend of mine. And when 1:21:15.160 --> 1:21:17.320 you get a copy, you get a stamp. It's not 1:21:17.400 --> 1:21:21.160 really the president's signature. But in the book, if you look, uh, 1:21:21.200 --> 1:21:22.840 in the book, all I want to do is play 1:21:22.880 --> 1:21:26.559 the hits available on Amazon and Barnesanoble dot com. 1:21:27.040 --> 1:21:28.519 Uh. If you go in. 1:21:28.439 --> 1:21:33.799 There, you will see uh the president's signature. Michael Reagan 1:21:34.280 --> 1:21:37.320 went to his dad and Santa Barbara and actually had 1:21:37.400 --> 1:21:41.280 him sign that's actually his signature and it's not a stamp. 1:21:41.800 --> 1:21:42.839 I value that. 1:21:42.840 --> 1:21:47.400 That's phenomenal because of your dad's involvement with trains, You've 1:21:47.439 --> 1:21:50.240 had a continuing lifelong love of trains. 1:21:49.840 --> 1:21:50.200 Haven't you. 1:21:50.320 --> 1:21:52.320 Tom Oh. Absolutely. 1:21:52.680 --> 1:21:54.920 But the problem is when I was a kid, I 1:21:55.000 --> 1:21:58.720 was I came home from the train store and I said, Dad, 1:21:58.760 --> 1:22:00.880 I'd like to have a train, said, and he goes 1:22:01.080 --> 1:22:03.800 nothing doing sun I worked sixteen hours a day. 1:22:03.800 --> 1:22:06.400 I don't want to see him when I come home. Yeah. 1:22:06.760 --> 1:22:14.559 So anyway, and so maybe now as an adult, I 1:22:14.680 --> 1:22:18.000 had somebody else build my train layout twenty five thousand 1:22:18.040 --> 1:22:21.000 dollars Lloyd's Layouts of Los Angeles. 1:22:21.000 --> 1:22:22.439 They do a marvelous job. 1:22:22.920 --> 1:22:25.920 And I've got a downtown area, residential area, I've got 1:22:25.920 --> 1:22:30.880 four industrial areas plus a yard and the hero in 1:22:30.920 --> 1:22:33.960 the downtown area. I've always wanted this because I've never 1:22:34.000 --> 1:22:38.800 seen another train layout with an AM FMTV station right 1:22:38.840 --> 1:22:41.680 downtown and I had a tower, yeah, tower for the 1:22:41.760 --> 1:22:47.120 big tower, you know, not the one like WLWS, which 1:22:47.160 --> 1:22:51.000 is a standing tower, but it's a tower on my layout, 1:22:51.120 --> 1:22:54.320 and yeah, I have lots of fun with it. And 1:22:54.800 --> 1:22:57.400 if any of your listeners are ever in San Diego, 1:22:58.680 --> 1:23:03.400 I'm going to run train every Wednesday from one to 1:23:03.600 --> 1:23:07.960 four and they can come out to the San Diego 1:23:07.960 --> 1:23:10.679 Model Railroad Museum very near the world famous San Diego 1:23:10.760 --> 1:23:13.040 Zoo and they could see me run trains and I 1:23:13.080 --> 1:23:16.160 get to visit with them on my show on Sirius 1:23:16.320 --> 1:23:19.280 XM sixties go Old Channel seventies, where I've mentioned that 1:23:19.640 --> 1:23:21.439 and I've had lots of people come out. 1:23:21.479 --> 1:23:22.080 It's amazing. 1:23:22.439 --> 1:23:23.280 I bet you have. 1:23:24.280 --> 1:23:28.559 What was your first radio job, Tom, very first. 1:23:28.360 --> 1:23:31.240 First radio Yeah, the very first one. I was sixteen 1:23:31.320 --> 1:23:34.840 years old. I was hanging around a radio station in 1:23:34.880 --> 1:23:38.240 the week and then the weekend guy was the program 1:23:38.280 --> 1:23:41.479 director of this FM station now Gary. As you know, 1:23:42.560 --> 1:23:47.040 FM back in nineteen sixty six was like a background 1:23:47.160 --> 1:23:50.400 music thing. AM was the big deal and if you 1:23:50.439 --> 1:23:52.280 want to really wanted to be on a big station, 1:23:52.360 --> 1:23:55.400 you had to be on an AM station like KCBQ, 1:23:55.960 --> 1:23:57.920 like KGB. 1:23:57.760 --> 1:23:59.720 Like wl W. 1:24:00.479 --> 1:24:04.679 You know. But I love those call letters man anyway, 1:24:05.320 --> 1:24:07.559 So I got a job at ANFM station on the 1:24:07.600 --> 1:24:12.719 weekends on Sunday because nobody wanted Nobody wants to work Sunday. 1:24:13.200 --> 1:24:17.480 So George Manning, who was working weekends at radio station KDO, 1:24:18.080 --> 1:24:19.599 where I made my little tapes for. 1:24:19.600 --> 1:24:23.280 My bootleg station. Anyway, he said, how would you like 1:24:23.360 --> 1:24:25.799 to do Sunday morning at KPRI. 1:24:25.880 --> 1:24:28.720 I said, I'd love that. So I was sixteen years 1:24:28.760 --> 1:24:31.080 old and I got my first job on the air 1:24:31.320 --> 1:24:37.639 Sunday morning playing jazz Frank Sinatra, Sergio Mendez and Brazil 1:24:37.720 --> 1:24:38.840 sixty six That's. 1:24:38.720 --> 1:24:39.880 How I remember. 1:24:39.920 --> 1:24:43.360 It was sixty six, and then of course we stopped 1:24:43.400 --> 1:24:46.840 down at eight o'clock. I did a children's radio show, 1:24:47.360 --> 1:24:50.439 which remember I've always wanted to be a children's show 1:24:50.520 --> 1:24:54.559 host sometime in my career, and I got that because 1:24:54.720 --> 1:24:57.760 I was I did Words of Poppin', which is a 1:24:57.760 --> 1:25:01.639 word game show for kids. Graw Hill own the show 1:25:01.680 --> 1:25:03.760 and that went for five years. And then I did 1:25:04.400 --> 1:25:07.320 the KUSI Kids Club with the cartoons and everything for 1:25:07.360 --> 1:25:11.840 about twelve years here in San Diego. So that was 1:25:11.880 --> 1:25:15.120 my first kid show on radio, and it was when 1:25:15.120 --> 1:25:15.799 I was sixteen. 1:25:16.280 --> 1:25:19.920 So what made you so interested in doing children's programming. 1:25:21.200 --> 1:25:25.240 Well, you've got to realize we all have heroes. Frank 1:25:25.320 --> 1:25:28.960 Thompson was my radio hero, and Johnny downs was my 1:25:29.120 --> 1:25:33.920 television hero because my dad was Johnny Downes's engineer on 1:25:33.960 --> 1:25:35.400 that show Oh Wow. 1:25:36.160 --> 1:25:38.200 And he was so good. He was so great. 1:25:38.360 --> 1:25:41.800 Johnny Downs was and I talk about him in the 1:25:41.800 --> 1:25:44.600 book because Johnny and I were both in for an 1:25:44.640 --> 1:25:48.000 audition for this Words of Poppin' show and I walk 1:25:48.120 --> 1:25:51.200 in and I said, Johnny, are you here to audition? 1:25:51.720 --> 1:25:53.439 He said, yes, I am. I said, well, listen, I'm 1:25:53.439 --> 1:25:55.080 going to get out of here. You're going to do 1:25:55.120 --> 1:25:57.600 Words of Pop and I'm going to watch every Saturday. 1:25:57.840 --> 1:26:00.759 He said, you have just as much right to audition 1:26:00.840 --> 1:26:03.960 as I do. So he gave me a cup of 1:26:03.960 --> 1:26:07.120 coffee out of his thermos, and he walked in did 1:26:07.160 --> 1:26:12.480 his audition, and he came back out and he says, Shotgun, congratulations. 1:26:12.479 --> 1:26:14.720 I hope you do your best. So I went in 1:26:14.760 --> 1:26:18.000 and did my audition for Words of Poppin' and then 1:26:18.240 --> 1:26:20.519 I left, and I knew. 1:26:20.360 --> 1:26:21.719 Johnny was going to get the job. 1:26:21.760 --> 1:26:24.920 I just knew it because he had the experience, and 1:26:25.000 --> 1:26:28.800 so I didn't hear from the people for like weeks. 1:26:29.560 --> 1:26:30.920 All of a sudden I got a phone call. 1:26:30.840 --> 1:26:32.880 From the producer, you got the job. I said, wait 1:26:32.880 --> 1:26:35.479 a minute, you got the wrong guy, Johnny Downs. You 1:26:35.520 --> 1:26:38.679 need to hire him. He said, no, you related more 1:26:38.720 --> 1:26:43.120 to the kids than Johnny did. And so I did 1:26:43.120 --> 1:26:47.360 that show for five years. And that story is also 1:26:47.880 --> 1:26:48.760 in the book. 1:26:48.760 --> 1:26:54.679 What a Feather in Your Cap To actually supersede your 1:26:54.800 --> 1:26:59.960 childhood television host hero and take a job, that's an 1:27:00.040 --> 1:27:00.800 incredible time. 1:27:01.760 --> 1:27:03.600 Well that's happened again because you know what when I 1:27:03.680 --> 1:27:05.720 got the job at Kate Earth one O one in 1:27:05.760 --> 1:27:09.879 Los Angeles. Uh, the real Don Steele we all remember there. 1:27:09.880 --> 1:27:10.599 The real Don. 1:27:10.400 --> 1:27:13.320 Steele's voice is used in the movie Once upon a 1:27:13.360 --> 1:27:14.360 Time in Hollywood. 1:27:14.760 --> 1:27:16.040 I'm Burial dold Field. 1:27:16.120 --> 1:27:18.400 Right, you know when when Brad Pitt gets in the 1:27:18.400 --> 1:27:21.080 car and he turns on the ignition, that's the ninety 1:27:21.080 --> 1:27:21.960 three k h J. 1:27:22.280 --> 1:27:23.599 I'm Burial dolds Field. 1:27:23.640 --> 1:27:24.000 There we go. 1:27:24.080 --> 1:27:26.719 You know that that's his voice. 1:27:26.760 --> 1:27:27.200 That's what. 1:27:27.640 --> 1:27:30.559 So anyway, when he passed away, and he was one 1:27:30.600 --> 1:27:34.799 of my radio heroes, I loved the real Don Steele 1:27:35.400 --> 1:27:39.280 and Wolfman Jack. I became friends with Wolfman Jack. 1:27:39.640 --> 1:27:41.920 But I only met the real Don Steele three. 1:27:42.240 --> 1:27:45.519 Howl yeah when he passed away, Go ahead, I'm sorry. 1:27:46.360 --> 1:27:51.560 Well, when he passed away, Frank, they had the memorial 1:27:52.200 --> 1:27:56.320 and Mike Phillips, the program director, was looking for somebody 1:27:56.400 --> 1:28:00.439 to succeed the real Don Steele. He told me this, 1:28:00.600 --> 1:28:03.240 He said, he closed the door of his office and 1:28:03.280 --> 1:28:06.880 he said a prayer, and he said, God, please help 1:28:06.920 --> 1:28:09.679 me find the right guy. And there was a whisper 1:28:09.720 --> 1:28:15.280 that came into his mind, shot Don domb and he 1:28:15.400 --> 1:28:18.160 called me and he hired me, and I was there 1:28:18.200 --> 1:28:19.120 for twenty years. 1:28:19.439 --> 1:28:20.440 That's amazing. 1:28:20.760 --> 1:28:23.719 Now, and you talk about what a couple of great 1:28:23.840 --> 1:28:27.080 radio legends to have, as you know, as friends and 1:28:27.200 --> 1:28:30.880 successors or whatever you succeed them, the real Don Steele 1:28:30.920 --> 1:28:32.000 and Wolfman Jack. 1:28:32.400 --> 1:28:35.120 What was Robert like in person? 1:28:35.280 --> 1:28:38.439 Robert was a good friend mine before I came to 1:28:38.520 --> 1:28:41.160 ca Earth. He was We used to watch sixty minutes, 1:28:41.560 --> 1:28:43.880 and we after the sixty minutes, we always used to, 1:28:44.240 --> 1:28:48.360 you know, talk about it after the show. I was 1:28:48.400 --> 1:28:51.479 so anyway, I guess I was out after sixty minutes 1:28:51.520 --> 1:28:53.880 one time and he called my house and my wife 1:28:53.960 --> 1:28:55.040 Linda entered the phone. 1:28:55.080 --> 1:28:57.200 She said hello, and he says, yeah, this is R. W. 1:28:57.360 --> 1:28:58.439 Margan a shotgun there. 1:28:59.400 --> 1:29:04.920 No he's not well tell him. Robert called and she said, okay, Bob. 1:29:04.880 --> 1:29:08.120 No, no, Bob lives here. He hated to be called Bob. 1:29:08.479 --> 1:29:10.799 It was always Robert W. Morgan. 1:29:11.160 --> 1:29:13.880 But anyway, No, he was a he was a good guy. 1:29:14.400 --> 1:29:19.920 He was he was firm, he was eccentric. H he 1:29:19.960 --> 1:29:22.800 but but to me he was a good guy. But 1:29:23.000 --> 1:29:27.000 some people aggravated him and and I guess he. 1:29:27.040 --> 1:29:27.439 Got a wreck. 1:29:27.520 --> 1:29:31.000 Well when I said Robert, I meant wolfman Jack as 1:29:31.040 --> 1:29:31.840 his real name was. 1:29:32.040 --> 1:29:35.120 First name was Robert Smith, Bob Smith. 1:29:35.200 --> 1:29:37.439 Yeah, oh yeah, but that's also in the book. 1:29:37.960 --> 1:29:38.080 Uh. 1:29:38.680 --> 1:29:41.639 By the way, my book has got happiness, but it's 1:29:41.640 --> 1:29:44.519 got ups and downs. Sure, there's some things in my 1:29:44.640 --> 1:29:48.280 life that happened that I'm not too proud of. 1:29:48.680 --> 1:29:52.360 And uh uh my house got raided by the police. 1:29:52.439 --> 1:29:55.519 That's in the book. Uh. And it was because I 1:29:55.640 --> 1:29:56.880 did these tonight shows. 1:29:56.920 --> 1:29:59.840 I built a tonight show, said way before Kramer and 1:30:00.000 --> 1:30:04.519 my garage and very professionally done, had a crew, and 1:30:04.600 --> 1:30:07.960 I had the Sheriff of San Diego County, the chief 1:30:08.000 --> 1:30:11.600 of police, and I played ed McMahon and so we 1:30:12.040 --> 1:30:15.040 did this show and it was a cult favorite of 1:30:15.040 --> 1:30:15.840 both departments. 1:30:15.880 --> 1:30:18.920 After seven years, there was some murders. 1:30:18.600 --> 1:30:22.599 That happened here in San Diego of prostitutes, and so 1:30:22.680 --> 1:30:26.000 they thought the police was going to, you know, defend 1:30:26.160 --> 1:30:31.280 their officers. They thought an officer killed this prostitute. So 1:30:31.360 --> 1:30:34.960 they took it away away from the local police department, 1:30:35.000 --> 1:30:38.640 and the state Attorney General formed a homicide task force. 1:30:38.680 --> 1:30:41.719 And they raided my house. Gary And in the front. 1:30:41.880 --> 1:30:44.000 Now I was doing the kids show over at KUSI 1:30:44.200 --> 1:30:46.800 at the end and the front. You know, I always 1:30:46.800 --> 1:30:48.800 wanted to be on the front page of the paper, 1:30:48.800 --> 1:30:52.280 above the fold. The headline was seven hundred and fifty 1:30:52.360 --> 1:30:57.920 tapes seized in murdered probe. Anyway, a lot of the 1:30:57.960 --> 1:30:59.320 reporters were coming out. 1:30:59.160 --> 1:31:03.960 And you know, yeah by the way, yeah yeah. 1:31:04.000 --> 1:31:08.720 Anyway, they Heisman Trophy winner Johnny Rogers said that he 1:31:08.880 --> 1:31:11.040 one of the dead prostitutes was on the. 1:31:11.000 --> 1:31:12.479 Show, and that was a lie. 1:31:12.520 --> 1:31:15.400 So that's why they rated the house. 1:31:16.960 --> 1:31:17.719 We got left. 1:31:17.880 --> 1:31:21.160 We have two minutes, Tom, right around two minutes, and 1:31:21.200 --> 1:31:23.320 I want to hear about the Hollywood the Star and 1:31:23.360 --> 1:31:26.599 the Hollywood Walk of Fame. Shotgun Tom Kelly has a star, 1:31:27.680 --> 1:31:33.400 and radio people don't don't get radio people don't get stars. 1:31:34.680 --> 1:31:37.120 No, they don't like giving them to radio people. But 1:31:37.920 --> 1:31:42.280 I had to wait for mine. But you know, Robert W. 1:31:42.360 --> 1:31:45.760 Morgan had a star, the real Don Steele had a star. 1:31:45.920 --> 1:31:49.000 So t Earth was really the radio station of the 1:31:49.080 --> 1:31:54.479 rock stars for disc jockeys. So anyway, I got rejected 1:31:54.479 --> 1:31:56.400 the first year, the second year, but then the third 1:31:56.439 --> 1:31:59.560 year I got my star, and I asked Stevie. 1:31:59.280 --> 1:32:01.400 Wonder to beat my speaker, and he was there. 1:32:01.520 --> 1:32:06.120 Along with Art Leveau and Johnny Mathis and my program director, 1:32:06.960 --> 1:32:10.639 Johnny Ka he was also a speaker, and thousands of people, 1:32:10.760 --> 1:32:14.200 I mean, maybe I shouldn't say thousands. Hundreds of people 1:32:14.560 --> 1:32:18.000 showed up, including radio's best friend Art Volo. 1:32:18.120 --> 1:32:20.759 He was there to patcha there there you go, two mentions. 1:32:20.960 --> 1:32:24.880 Art got two mentions. That's perfect. The book is all 1:32:24.960 --> 1:32:27.120 I want to do is play the hits, and he 1:32:27.160 --> 1:32:32.559 has been doing it successfully and supersedingly successfully now for 1:32:32.640 --> 1:32:35.720 decades and decades and decades. The one and only Shotgun 1:32:35.760 --> 1:32:40.160 Tom Kelly from Sirius XM's sixties gold our guest on 1:32:40.280 --> 1:32:43.200 American History on the radio, and Tom It's been such 1:32:43.200 --> 1:32:45.160 a pleasure and I know we could go on like 1:32:45.200 --> 1:32:47.360 this for hours, but unfortunately. 1:32:46.920 --> 1:32:47.439 Yeah we can't. 1:32:47.600 --> 1:32:48.160 That's the time with. 1:32:48.280 --> 1:32:51.040 Jarry, you are such a big time guy. I am 1:32:51.160 --> 1:32:54.559 just delighted to be on your show because you've had 1:32:54.600 --> 1:32:57.599 Pat Saint John, You've had flash Stelps, and now you've 1:32:57.600 --> 1:32:58.000 got me. 1:32:58.920 --> 1:33:01.840 Thank you, Sank, thank you, thank you. 1:33:02.400 --> 1:33:07.480 The shotgun On the nightcap, we continue of this nightcap 1:33:07.920 --> 1:33:11.360 from Monday, December fifteenth, twenty twenty five. Gary, Jeff and 1:33:12.120 --> 1:33:14.000 I got to tell you we got some sports for 1:33:14.040 --> 1:33:17.160 the out of sorts. And it was a terrible weekend 1:33:17.240 --> 1:33:21.920 for football fans like me and maybe like the wild Man. 1:33:21.960 --> 1:33:25.519 It was just not a great weekend of football in 1:33:25.600 --> 1:33:26.600 the NFL. 1:33:26.360 --> 1:33:28.400 Or the Heisman's or you know. 1:33:28.479 --> 1:33:32.639 The only bright light all weekend long to me, wild Man, 1:33:33.080 --> 1:33:36.880 was the fact that my dad's Navy beat the Army 1:33:37.160 --> 1:33:40.840 seventeen to sixteen. And even though they tried to lose 1:33:40.880 --> 1:33:46.320 that game. But my Lions, I mean, every one of 1:33:46.360 --> 1:33:49.040 the teams I root for let me down over the weekend. 1:33:49.080 --> 1:33:51.160 And I gotta tell you what, at this point in 1:33:51.200 --> 1:33:53.600 the evening, wild Man, I'm tired. I just want to 1:33:53.640 --> 1:33:56.439 finish the show and get out of here, like maybe 1:33:56.600 --> 1:34:00.479 Joe Burrowfield's about to being or maybe maybe the entire 1:34:00.560 --> 1:34:04.479 Bengals organization is just tired and they all just want 1:34:04.479 --> 1:34:07.479 to go home and forget that there's still games to play. 1:34:08.080 --> 1:34:12.559 A wild man your thoughts, am am, I just am 1:34:12.600 --> 1:34:14.600 I a weenie because I'm tired and I want to 1:34:14.600 --> 1:34:17.280 get out of here. And as Joe Burrow have we 1:34:17.400 --> 1:34:20.680 seen the last of the Joe Burrow era with the Bengals? 1:34:21.600 --> 1:34:24.240 Well, I think you're kind of Bengalized already. It's just 1:34:24.240 --> 1:34:25.360 the way I am talking. 1:34:25.560 --> 1:34:29.519 Well that I became Bengalized when I became a Kansas 1:34:29.520 --> 1:34:31.400 City Chiefs fan seven years ago. 1:34:32.160 --> 1:34:36.400 And even that didn't help me this weekend. It was 1:34:36.439 --> 1:34:37.240 a bad weekend. 1:34:37.600 --> 1:34:39.840 If you're you know, you're fans of what you're talking about, 1:34:39.920 --> 1:34:42.240 especially here in Bengals Nation. 1:34:42.360 --> 1:34:43.280 I mean that's yeah. 1:34:43.600 --> 1:34:46.679 We had the you know, the big snow, the big snow, 1:34:47.360 --> 1:34:51.000 and the Bengals organization knew it was coming and they 1:34:51.040 --> 1:34:54.719 weren't prepared for it. Fans had to uh wait outside 1:34:54.800 --> 1:34:56.720 forever to get into the stadium because they didn't have 1:34:56.840 --> 1:35:01.040 enough ticket takers or security personnel of them miss almost 1:35:01.040 --> 1:35:04.160 the first quarter. Then they get into the stadium and 1:35:04.520 --> 1:35:08.200 they have the seats are not cleared with snow, which 1:35:08.240 --> 1:35:12.439 is a violation of NFL rules. But according to the NFL, 1:35:12.479 --> 1:35:13.560 the Bengals. 1:35:14.640 --> 1:35:17.000 They cooperated. Well that you know, I'm not buying that. 1:35:17.280 --> 1:35:19.839 Well no, yeah, okay, hold on, Hold on a second. 1:35:19.960 --> 1:35:26.080 The NFL, the shield as it is, controls everything that 1:35:26.120 --> 1:35:29.920 these teams do, from how much players are paid, the 1:35:30.080 --> 1:35:34.200 salary caps to what I mean. They have very strict 1:35:34.320 --> 1:35:40.720 rules in this membership, this thirty two member club. And 1:35:40.840 --> 1:35:43.280 how can the Bengals get away with skirting the rules 1:35:43.280 --> 1:35:48.439 of not cleaning the stadium seats and railings. They're supposed 1:35:48.479 --> 1:35:48.920 to do that. 1:35:50.560 --> 1:35:53.240 Okay, Well, they came out and said the NFL came 1:35:53.240 --> 1:35:56.160 out and said that they they they kind of went 1:35:56.240 --> 1:36:00.559 by the policy, but they really did. Because there were 1:36:00.600 --> 1:36:04.720 so many seats that were just covered with snow. They 1:36:04.760 --> 1:36:08.200 would not allow fans in with cardboard. So the fans 1:36:08.240 --> 1:36:10.680 could put cardboard they could stand on, they keep their 1:36:10.680 --> 1:36:14.000 feet from freezing on the concrete. They confiscated the cardboard 1:36:14.400 --> 1:36:14.800 and it. 1:36:14.720 --> 1:36:16.320 Was just a mess. Car's a mess. 1:36:16.360 --> 1:36:19.759 And here's the thing, Gary, Jeff, they knew this snow 1:36:19.880 --> 1:36:20.280 was coming. 1:36:20.360 --> 1:36:23.360 Okay, they knew the snow was coming. This wouldn't happen 1:36:23.439 --> 1:36:24.160 in Green Bay. 1:36:24.520 --> 1:36:27.360 They had eleven hours to clean that stadium up, and 1:36:27.400 --> 1:36:30.080 they chose not to do it, not to take care 1:36:30.320 --> 1:36:33.200 of their season ticket holders. They had eleven hours. They 1:36:33.240 --> 1:36:35.760 could have got people from the jail to come down 1:36:35.800 --> 1:36:36.800 and clean, but they. 1:36:36.680 --> 1:36:37.920 Don't want to pay those people. 1:36:38.400 --> 1:36:40.320 They've got people to come in here and clean that stadium. 1:36:40.400 --> 1:36:41.040 They didn't get. 1:36:40.920 --> 1:36:42.080 People to do it well man. 1:36:42.680 --> 1:36:45.400 And in Buffalo they get the fans out there, and 1:36:45.400 --> 1:36:49.000 they'll pay fans to come and clear the stadium because 1:36:49.000 --> 1:36:51.400 they are exactly they have to deal with that all 1:36:51.479 --> 1:36:54.800 the time in Buffalo. I mean, and it's not like 1:36:54.840 --> 1:36:58.120 it never snows here, and it's not like it's never 1:36:58.200 --> 1:36:59.599 below zero here. 1:37:00.160 --> 1:37:01.000 I mean, this is not. 1:37:01.040 --> 1:37:04.040 The coldest ever Bengals game that's been played, as you 1:37:04.160 --> 1:37:09.320 well know, mister Freezer Bowl, mister Ice Bowl. But uh, 1:37:09.560 --> 1:37:13.280 you know, it's it is absolutely when I saw the 1:37:13.320 --> 1:37:17.880 posts on social media in the aftermath of that game 1:37:18.000 --> 1:37:21.120 and the little girl is trying to see over the 1:37:21.200 --> 1:37:25.400 snow on the railing. When it's it's an NFL rule 1:37:25.680 --> 1:37:27.880 the teams have to have to find a way to 1:37:27.960 --> 1:37:32.080 do that before games. And and the fact that the 1:37:32.160 --> 1:37:35.320 fact that they wouldn't let people with cardboard into stand 1:37:35.439 --> 1:37:39.160 on Well, we all know that cardboard can be used 1:37:39.479 --> 1:37:43.040 as a violent weapon as a as a legal weapon. 1:37:43.120 --> 1:37:46.559 So yeah, really really a big threat from cardboard coming 1:37:46.600 --> 1:37:47.600 into the stadium. 1:37:48.160 --> 1:37:49.200 What was that about this? 1:37:50.000 --> 1:37:53.200 Well, the stadium operations the completely botched it all by 1:37:53.439 --> 1:37:57.280 not having enough ticket takers and uh. 1:37:56.640 --> 1:37:58.400 Security personnel to get people in. 1:37:58.600 --> 1:38:01.240 Like I said, a lot of a lot of fans 1:38:01.760 --> 1:38:04.320 didn't get in until the end of the first quarter. Gary, Jeff, 1:38:04.520 --> 1:38:07.639 what the hell is with that? And then here's here's 1:38:07.680 --> 1:38:11.120 what really grubs my ass. You get the TV stations, 1:38:11.400 --> 1:38:13.080 all of them just kind of. 1:38:13.000 --> 1:38:15.439 Like brushing it off, brushing this off. 1:38:15.520 --> 1:38:17.920 If you're a season ticket holder, how many thousands of 1:38:18.000 --> 1:38:20.439 dollars that you're paying and you get treated like that, 1:38:20.760 --> 1:38:22.840 you know a lot I'm gonna say, enough is enough. 1:38:22.840 --> 1:38:24.639 And I know a lot of people right now. I'm 1:38:24.640 --> 1:38:27.080 telling you they're giving up their tickets. They've had enough, 1:38:27.240 --> 1:38:29.760 they've seen enough, they've had enough. You know, you don't 1:38:29.800 --> 1:38:32.800 treat people like that. I mean, it's just like, dude, 1:38:33.160 --> 1:38:36.400 does the Brown family really care about their fan base 1:38:36.520 --> 1:38:39.680 or their customers. It's obvious they don't. I mean we're 1:38:39.720 --> 1:38:42.080 seeing it. But yesterday, and then you get the product 1:38:42.080 --> 1:38:46.120 that we saw in the field yesterday. The fellas embarrassing. 1:38:46.320 --> 1:38:48.679 The fans couldn't get in until after the first quarter. 1:38:48.880 --> 1:38:51.400 The Bengals couldn't get into the end zone all game. 1:38:51.920 --> 1:38:53.880 It was the first time they've been shut out at 1:38:53.920 --> 1:38:58.120 home since when twenty seventeen or going back further than that, 1:38:57.840 --> 1:39:01.840 and I was against the Ravens. Yeah, it was just 1:39:02.200 --> 1:39:06.599 lackluster all the way around. And you talk about the 1:39:06.640 --> 1:39:11.040 fans being disgruntled with the organization. How disgreuntled do you 1:39:11.080 --> 1:39:15.360 think Joe Burrow really is with the Bengals organization? After 1:39:15.400 --> 1:39:17.599 the press conference on his birthday and then he had 1:39:17.600 --> 1:39:21.640 to backtrack, and then yesterday, I mean he just he 1:39:21.680 --> 1:39:25.800 looks he looks shell shocked. Oh, I think he's I 1:39:25.800 --> 1:39:28.320 think he's disappointed. I mean, he he manned up and 1:39:28.400 --> 1:39:30.280 said the game when you know it, I don't think 1:39:30.320 --> 1:39:32.120 any team could have won a game with him at 1:39:32.160 --> 1:39:33.599 quarterback yesterday, which. 1:39:33.479 --> 1:39:36.160 He's a stand up guy. He loves playing football. 1:39:36.479 --> 1:39:39.719 You know, I'm not gonna Joe Burrow is not going anywhere, 1:39:39.720 --> 1:39:42.880 and again he's talking heads on natural television. They have 1:39:43.000 --> 1:39:45.760 no clue what's going on here in Cincinnati. You know, 1:39:45.840 --> 1:39:48.280 Joe Burrow is a loyal guy, and I'm sure behind 1:39:48.320 --> 1:39:50.719 the scenes because he's not gonna come out and publicis 1:39:50.800 --> 1:39:52.920 say that the Bengals need to do this and need 1:39:52.960 --> 1:39:54.840 to do that, but you can bet that his voice 1:39:54.920 --> 1:39:57.200 is going to be heard, and he's just frustrated. We're 1:39:57.240 --> 1:40:00.600 all frustrated, well, you know, from the ticket as to 1:40:00.960 --> 1:40:02.200 the security. 1:40:01.720 --> 1:40:03.479 People, to maybe Mike Brown. 1:40:03.479 --> 1:40:06.439 I guess he's frustrat but we're all frustrated over the season. 1:40:06.479 --> 1:40:09.599 And injuries, of course played a part of this. I mean, 1:40:09.640 --> 1:40:12.000 Trey Henson. They would not spend a ton of money. 1:40:12.120 --> 1:40:13.439 The guy played four games. 1:40:13.840 --> 1:40:18.800 Yeah, not a good result, not a good return on 1:40:18.840 --> 1:40:19.600 your investment. 1:40:20.120 --> 1:40:20.240 Uh. 1:40:20.920 --> 1:40:26.679 Here's the thing, too, is that Joe Burrow just wants 1:40:26.720 --> 1:40:32.880 to win and the Bengals have not allowed him the 1:40:32.960 --> 1:40:36.599 proper tools with which to compliment his talent. I mean 1:40:36.640 --> 1:40:40.280 they've they've done things like signing and taking care of 1:40:40.360 --> 1:40:43.400 Jamar Chase and t Higgins and Trey Hendrickson. When he 1:40:43.439 --> 1:40:46.400 asked that, But my friend mo Egger on Saturday morning 1:40:46.479 --> 1:40:49.400 made the point, and I believe he's correct here, is 1:40:49.400 --> 1:40:54.559 that Joe Burrow does not do anything anything without intention, 1:40:55.320 --> 1:40:58.120 and that that press conference that he gave back on 1:40:58.200 --> 1:41:01.559 his birthday that sparked all these questions of Joe Burrow 1:41:01.640 --> 1:41:06.920 leaving Cincinnati, Joe Burrow did that intentionally to send a message. 1:41:07.920 --> 1:41:12.799 So the message has been sent to the organization. Will 1:41:12.880 --> 1:41:16.160 they listen and can they do anything about that message? 1:41:16.200 --> 1:41:19.400 That's the question right now, wild Man, how to get 1:41:19.479 --> 1:41:21.400 is yeah, are you? Are you talking to me on 1:41:21.439 --> 1:41:22.400 an Obama phone? 1:41:23.000 --> 1:41:25.080 Wild Man? All right? 1:41:25.160 --> 1:41:28.639 So I was making the point that on my show 1:41:28.720 --> 1:41:33.759 Saturday morning, Moe Egger made the point that Joe Burrow, 1:41:34.000 --> 1:41:39.200 in his estimation, doesn't do anything unintentionally, and that whole 1:41:39.640 --> 1:41:42.320 tone and timbre of that press conference and the things 1:41:42.320 --> 1:41:47.839 that Joe Burrow imparted last week was had an intention 1:41:47.920 --> 1:41:51.040 of sending a message to the Bengals organization. And my 1:41:51.200 --> 1:41:53.719 question you is do you think they'll receive that message 1:41:53.800 --> 1:41:55.920 loud and clear going forward? 1:41:57.000 --> 1:41:59.799 Well, they'd be crazy not to. You know, pay attention 1:42:00.040 --> 1:42:00.800 on Joe's. 1:42:00.560 --> 1:42:03.479 Saying because he is the faith of the franchise that 1:42:03.800 --> 1:42:06.839 he's guaranteed I think two hundred and nine million dollars 1:42:06.840 --> 1:42:09.800 still on his contract. I mean, as the as Joe 1:42:09.800 --> 1:42:11.840 Burrow goes, the Bengals go. 1:42:13.320 --> 1:42:14.320 You need what Joe. 1:42:14.479 --> 1:42:17.280 When you see how Joe acts in the press conferences, 1:42:17.360 --> 1:42:21.439 he doesn't ever really he pauses before he says something. 1:42:21.680 --> 1:42:23.800 You know, he thinks stuff out because he's not gonna 1:42:23.840 --> 1:42:26.360 get you know, backed into a corner some stuff that 1:42:26.400 --> 1:42:29.200 he says no. And I hope that and I hope 1:42:29.439 --> 1:42:32.040 that when the season ends and then Joe sits down 1:42:32.080 --> 1:42:34.920 with the front office, that they listen to him. Not 1:42:35.000 --> 1:42:37.840 that he has every answer, but there are changes that 1:42:37.920 --> 1:42:40.040 have to be made, and one of them one of them. 1:42:39.920 --> 1:42:42.280 Gary, Jeff, I'm just gonna put it to you this way. 1:42:42.680 --> 1:42:46.599 Marvin Lewis, you know, straighten out this Bengals franchise got 1:42:46.680 --> 1:42:49.439 him to the playoffs, but his last three years they 1:42:49.479 --> 1:42:52.120 didn't make the playoffs. Zach Taylor came in here, but 1:42:52.280 --> 1:42:54.120 a new culture in the locker room, got rid of 1:42:54.160 --> 1:42:57.000 the knuckleheads. They won, they made the playoffs, but the 1:42:57.080 --> 1:42:59.920 last three years they have not made the playoffs. And 1:43:00.080 --> 1:43:03.719 what happened with Marvin Lewis he got fired, what happened 1:43:03.720 --> 1:43:04.559 with Zach Taylor? 1:43:04.600 --> 1:43:07.040 Something's got a change. Bye by something's got a change, 1:43:07.280 --> 1:43:10.040 something has to change. Bye bye bye bye bye bye. 1:43:10.560 --> 1:43:14.080 Uh it wasn't lost on me. And I sent this 1:43:14.120 --> 1:43:16.879 to a couple of people. Maybe I sent it to you. Uh, 1:43:17.000 --> 1:43:20.800 the irony wasn't lost on me. That yesterday, on the sideline, 1:43:20.920 --> 1:43:26.439 as the Bengals are getting thoroughly thumped by Baltimore, Zach 1:43:26.520 --> 1:43:31.400 Taylor is wearing a sweatshirt that says, yeah, inspired change. Well, 1:43:31.720 --> 1:43:34.280 you know what, I think a lot of people are inspired, 1:43:34.840 --> 1:43:38.439 inspired to change at the Bengals head coaching position, Zach, 1:43:38.840 --> 1:43:41.439 what a weird T shirt or sweatshirt for you to 1:43:41.479 --> 1:43:45.880 wear that says inspired change? When you're inspiring change every 1:43:45.960 --> 1:43:48.240 game this year with your coaching And. 1:43:49.400 --> 1:43:51.640 I think the change might have I might have the 1:43:51.640 --> 1:43:54.439 ax might have fell with this so called shirt shirt 1:43:54.680 --> 1:43:55.519 inspired change? 1:43:55.680 --> 1:43:57.160 On what was it? Fourth and four? 1:43:57.560 --> 1:43:59.880 And they decided to throw a long pass to try 1:43:59.880 --> 1:44:03.799 to get the ball in between two defenders to josekeep 1:44:03.960 --> 1:44:04.920 throwing the ball deep? 1:44:05.360 --> 1:44:08.519 Is but there's only fourth and four? Is that the 1:44:08.520 --> 1:44:11.960 best play you've got in your back pocket? Come on, man, 1:44:12.520 --> 1:44:14.160 you know I have no idea. 1:44:14.520 --> 1:44:14.960 You know what. 1:44:16.040 --> 1:44:20.960 Bengals fans are not only alone in their suffering and 1:44:21.000 --> 1:44:25.519 playing Monday morning quarterback and kind of ruing what happened 1:44:25.520 --> 1:44:28.400 over the weekend. I as a Kansas City Chiefs fan, 1:44:29.760 --> 1:44:35.520 uh am really really concerned about another quarterback, Patrick Mahomes, 1:44:35.520 --> 1:44:38.880 who was injured at the end of yesterday's loss. 1:44:38.920 --> 1:44:41.479 The Chiefs, the chief when he went down. 1:44:41.640 --> 1:44:44.720 The Chiefs being drummed out of the playoffs for the 1:44:44.720 --> 1:44:47.200 first time. Guys, this is the first time in what 1:44:47.840 --> 1:44:51.000 six years that they won't be in the AFC Championship Game. 1:44:51.360 --> 1:44:54.639 Five or six years and like eleven years that haven't 1:44:54.640 --> 1:44:55.960 been in the playoffs. 1:44:55.520 --> 1:44:58.880 Right exactly. So it is a sad day for Chiefs 1:44:58.920 --> 1:45:02.080 fans like me as well as for Bengal fans like you, 1:45:03.600 --> 1:45:08.360 and also my Detroit Lions. What has happened to the 1:45:08.479 --> 1:45:12.280 Lions here? I mean, they've had a lot of injuries. 1:45:12.360 --> 1:45:16.080 I know that. Have you been following that at all 1:45:16.360 --> 1:45:17.000 here and there? 1:45:17.080 --> 1:45:19.640 But they had long injuries last year, especially towards the 1:45:19.680 --> 1:45:21.640 end of the season, and that caught up to him. 1:45:21.880 --> 1:45:23.800 Yeah, that's what kept him out of the Super Bowl 1:45:23.840 --> 1:45:25.920 last year, and they may keep him out of the 1:45:25.920 --> 1:45:29.360 playoffs this year. It's not a lock that Detroit's gonna 1:45:29.360 --> 1:45:33.280 make it with that, with that NFC North the way 1:45:33.320 --> 1:45:37.639 it is and the Bears. Are you surprised with that Bears? 1:45:37.800 --> 1:45:41.599 Are you surprised about the Bears resurgence under Ben Johnson? 1:45:42.320 --> 1:45:46.519 I've been shocked about the Bears. Nobody saw this, Yeah, 1:45:46.560 --> 1:45:49.639 nobody saw this. They just continue to, you know, get 1:45:49.680 --> 1:45:50.599 the job done. 1:45:50.439 --> 1:45:52.040 Quietly, they really do. 1:45:52.600 --> 1:45:57.080 And and green Bay, I mean, you know Green Bay 1:45:57.080 --> 1:46:02.720 and Matt Lafleur and Jordan Love. I just yesterday was 1:46:02.880 --> 1:46:05.600 just a weird day in the NFL. For me, it 1:46:05.720 --> 1:46:10.439 really was. And it's not like, not like I'm I'm 1:46:10.479 --> 1:46:14.320 a fan of the Cowboys, because I'm probably the farthest 1:46:14.320 --> 1:46:17.360 thing away from a fan of the Cowboys, but I've. 1:46:17.240 --> 1:46:18.600 Never been a fan of the Cowboys. 1:46:18.600 --> 1:46:21.200 On time the Cowboys lose, it's a great day, and 1:46:21.240 --> 1:46:23.000 it was great last night watching them lose. 1:46:23.920 --> 1:46:25.880 But it was just, don't you agree, it was just 1:46:25.920 --> 1:46:28.760 a weird weekend in the NFL. There were some results. 1:46:29.320 --> 1:46:31.680 There were some results that really kind of left me 1:46:31.760 --> 1:46:37.240 scratching my head, going what's going on here? And let's 1:46:37.280 --> 1:46:40.000 turn our attention for a few minutes to the Heisman 1:46:40.080 --> 1:46:44.080 Award presentation. Neither one of us surprised at Fernando Mendoza 1:46:44.360 --> 1:46:48.919 wound up walking away with the trophy. My man, Diego 1:46:48.960 --> 1:46:52.640 Pavia came in second in the voting, and you know, 1:46:52.720 --> 1:46:57.200 I was kind of hoping against hope that somehow he 1:46:57.320 --> 1:47:03.440 might rise above Mendoza and his Indiana Hoosiers. But Indiana's, 1:47:03.560 --> 1:47:05.799 you know, the number one seed going into the college 1:47:05.800 --> 1:47:09.479 football playoff and Mendoza has been a key part of that. 1:47:10.000 --> 1:47:15.400 But if not for Diego Pavia, Vanderbilt doesn't win ten games, 1:47:15.640 --> 1:47:19.760 they may not win enough games to be Bowl eligible. 1:47:19.800 --> 1:47:23.760 Without Diego Pavia, he certainly carried that team on his back. 1:47:23.800 --> 1:47:26.040 I've talked to a lot of Vanderbilt people who say, 1:47:26.520 --> 1:47:30.400 not only was he one of the best quarterbacks in 1:47:30.439 --> 1:47:34.080 the country, he was the reason that Vanderbilt won ten wins. 1:47:34.080 --> 1:47:36.880 I mean, you talk about a guy carrying a team 1:47:37.000 --> 1:47:39.800 on his back. That was Diego Pavia, and to me, 1:47:40.200 --> 1:47:42.880 that is emblematic of what it takes to be a 1:47:42.920 --> 1:47:44.040 Heisman Trophy winner. 1:47:44.080 --> 1:47:47.280 Your thoughts on that, well, there's no doubt in my 1:47:47.400 --> 1:47:51.320 mind that Fernando Mendoza was the logical choice, the number 1:47:51.360 --> 1:47:54.040 one in the country, undefeated. 1:47:54.960 --> 1:47:55.160 Guy. 1:47:55.479 --> 1:47:57.479 The guy's a winner. I mean the guy as a winner. 1:47:57.479 --> 1:47:59.800 You look at this up bringing too. Have you saw 1:47:59.800 --> 1:48:02.439 his speech? It was like, you know, it was it 1:48:02.479 --> 1:48:04.320 was a great, great, great speech. 1:48:04.400 --> 1:48:07.160 No, I think I think he's I think he's awesome. Okay, 1:48:07.240 --> 1:48:08.920 go ahead, and he's well deserved. 1:48:08.960 --> 1:48:11.640 And then Diego Pavia, I mean the numbers he put up, 1:48:11.680 --> 1:48:14.080 what he did at Vanderbilt, because they're not known to 1:48:14.640 --> 1:48:18.559 be a football power. Either's Indiana, but the Vanderbilt's kind 1:48:18.560 --> 1:48:20.679 of like always been down on the lower and down 1:48:20.680 --> 1:48:23.599 on the totem pole. But the Diego Pavia, I mean, 1:48:23.640 --> 1:48:26.160 he'll use this to to be, you know, to be 1:48:26.439 --> 1:48:29.479 a better quarterback in the National Football League. The thing 1:48:29.479 --> 1:48:33.479 about Diego Pavia, you know, and he finished second whatever 1:48:33.520 --> 1:48:33.760 that's for. 1:48:34.000 --> 1:48:35.880 But he got a case of the gouabat it. 1:48:36.160 --> 1:48:38.000 And he should have kept his mouth shut because that 1:48:38.000 --> 1:48:40.120 that that, you know, that's just kind of like, well, 1:48:40.160 --> 1:48:42.479 you're a sore loser if you're gonna be complaining about that. 1:48:42.800 --> 1:48:45.240 I didn't he didn't come back down that apologized. I didn't. 1:48:45.280 --> 1:48:47.240 I didn't see I didn't see what he said. What 1:48:47.280 --> 1:48:50.040 did he say? Initially? I can't really explain. 1:48:50.160 --> 1:48:52.720 I I just there wasn't it wasn't pretty and he 1:48:52.800 --> 1:48:56.640 dropped I think an m bomb uh about the voters. 1:48:56.920 --> 1:49:00.639 So it wasn't it wasn't pretty. But he after twenty 1:49:00.720 --> 1:49:03.360 four hours and he issued an apology and said, I, 1:49:03.400 --> 1:49:05.960 you know, I overstepped my bath. I shouldn't you know, 1:49:06.000 --> 1:49:07.880 I should have realized you know that I should have 1:49:07.920 --> 1:49:10.560 done this, and you know, like accept my apology. 1:49:10.680 --> 1:49:13.599 I accept as apology, he manned up. Okay, that's all 1:49:13.640 --> 1:49:16.080 you can ask for, right right. 1:49:16.200 --> 1:49:18.919 Well, I mean, once you start getting the backlash, you 1:49:19.040 --> 1:49:22.960 either you either double down or you you take it back, 1:49:23.000 --> 1:49:26.559 and you you know, you choose that which hill you 1:49:26.600 --> 1:49:27.559 want to die on there? 1:49:28.160 --> 1:49:28.280 Uh. 1:49:29.040 --> 1:49:30.200 I don't know about. 1:49:29.960 --> 1:49:32.799 Diego Pobby at the next level because he's so short, 1:49:32.840 --> 1:49:36.200 wild man. I talked to my friend Scott Droud, who 1:49:36.200 --> 1:49:39.880 of course famously played basketball at Vanderbilt and was a 1:49:39.880 --> 1:49:42.880 great player there and has been to about uh went 1:49:42.920 --> 1:49:47.560 to about five home games this year because he's got 1:49:47.680 --> 1:49:51.679 a nephew that's a second string kicker on the Vandy squad. 1:49:52.200 --> 1:49:54.599 So he went to about five home games and he 1:49:54.680 --> 1:49:58.200 said he's been right next to Diego Pabby and Scott's 1:49:58.360 --> 1:50:02.559 he's like maybe six one two. He said, Paby is 1:50:02.720 --> 1:50:04.720 no more than five to nine, even though they list 1:50:04.800 --> 1:50:05.439 him at six feet. 1:50:05.439 --> 1:50:07.519 Well, then he goes to the Canadian Football League where 1:50:07.520 --> 1:50:09.400 you can make up make a living and prove what he 1:50:09.400 --> 1:50:12.000 can play in that way playing it at that level 1:50:12.240 --> 1:50:13.439 aka Doug Flute. 1:50:13.680 --> 1:50:14.240 He could do that. 1:50:14.520 --> 1:50:17.120 I think he's a good enough football player. He could 1:50:17.120 --> 1:50:21.720 play almost any position in the NFL outside of alignment 1:50:21.960 --> 1:50:25.120 or quarterback, and you know what, he'd be great. He 1:50:25.160 --> 1:50:28.719 would be great to have as a special teams player 1:50:29.000 --> 1:50:30.800 a running back because he can run. 1:50:31.040 --> 1:50:33.400 He can roll right through people. He proved that. 1:50:34.200 --> 1:50:39.200 And you have a ready made second string quarterback ready 1:50:39.240 --> 1:50:42.800 to go in case your starter goes down. So any 1:50:42.880 --> 1:50:45.759 number of NFL teams might like to have a Diego 1:50:45.880 --> 1:50:47.679 Pavia on the ross. 1:50:47.760 --> 1:50:52.719 Unlike the Kansas City Chiefs who ran out there, yeah yesterday, Minshew, 1:50:53.560 --> 1:50:55.840 Oh my god, Gardner, Minshew. 1:50:55.880 --> 1:51:01.320 That's the best they can find. Well, it was the best. 1:51:01.479 --> 1:51:04.800 It was the best mustache they could find. I'll give 1:51:04.840 --> 1:51:05.080 you that. 1:51:05.320 --> 1:51:11.160 Yeah, yeah, all right, wild I think we've covered all 1:51:11.200 --> 1:51:14.479 the bases. So Joe Burrow isn't going anywhere. Joe Burrow 1:51:14.560 --> 1:51:18.720 was not going any Zaza is Zach Taylor packing up 1:51:18.760 --> 1:51:19.400 the moving van. 1:51:20.320 --> 1:51:20.679 The season. 1:51:20.720 --> 1:51:22.719 I would say, I would say, he means he probably 1:51:22.760 --> 1:51:24.439 needs to call two men in a truck and see 1:51:24.479 --> 1:51:28.480 how much it's gonna cost. Maybe maybe maybe to move because. 1:51:29.000 --> 1:51:30.040 Something's gonna happen here. 1:51:30.320 --> 1:51:32.880 I know something's There's got to be some change, not 1:51:32.920 --> 1:51:36.040 only with the personnel but in the front office because 1:51:36.080 --> 1:51:38.960 Zach Taylor is not cutting it and the fan and 1:51:39.000 --> 1:51:42.400 the fans don't like it either. Yeah, well like and 1:51:42.520 --> 1:51:44.240 don't ask me who I you know who I want 1:51:44.280 --> 1:51:44.840 this head coach? 1:51:44.880 --> 1:51:45.200 I wrote? 1:51:45.680 --> 1:51:47.760 I mean I think about I'm thinking, well, they're going 1:51:47.800 --> 1:51:50.680 to make a change. Do we bring in an established 1:51:50.680 --> 1:51:53.000 coach or they're bringing a guy who's never head coach? 1:51:53.040 --> 1:51:53.120 Well? 1:51:53.200 --> 1:51:55.479 Ever, hed gone down that road? Yeah, every gone down 1:51:55.520 --> 1:51:56.639 down road with Zach Taylor. 1:51:56.840 --> 1:51:58.439 So are you bringing a guy that's been a previous 1:51:58.479 --> 1:52:02.800 head coach like Mike McCarthy? Maybe maybe bringing John Maybe. 1:52:02.720 --> 1:52:05.839 Maybe the Bengals will follow the advice on Zach Taylor's 1:52:05.880 --> 1:52:08.519 sweatshirt on the sidelines yesterday. 1:52:08.360 --> 1:52:13.000 And inspire change. Inspire change? 1:52:13.240 --> 1:52:15.920 How many people and went out and bought those shirts? 1:52:16.240 --> 1:52:20.360 Wild man? Uh see in church? Merry Christmas? Talk to 1:52:20.360 --> 1:52:21.960 you start without me if I'm not. 1:52:21.920 --> 1:52:25.679 There, Okay, you bet we'll be going for a long 1:52:25.720 --> 1:52:30.160 time without wild Man there, I'm afraid. Merry Christmas to you, 1:52:30.240 --> 1:52:33.040 thanks for putting up with his on the nightcap. And 1:52:33.120 --> 1:52:35.920 now we end tonight's show as we do all of 1:52:35.960 --> 1:52:39.439 these shows that I host, by playing our national anthem, 1:52:39.600 --> 1:52:43.000 the only national anthem of the United States of America, 1:52:43.439 --> 1:52:47.880 the Star Spangled Banner to honor America on seven hundred 1:52:48.200 --> 1:52:49.000 w l W