Speaker 1: Wow, a brand new Nightcap on this Monday evening, December fifteenth,
Speaker 1: twenty twenty five, counting down the days till Christmas, and
Speaker 1: I can't get here soon enough for me. I don't
Speaker 1: know about you, Gary, Jeff Walker. Welcome to the Nightcap.
Speaker 1: And there are so many really, really awful stories floating
Speaker 1: around in the news in the last twenty four hours,
Speaker 1: including the apparent murder of Rob Reiner and his wife
Speaker 1: in their home in Los Angeles. We'll be talking a
Speaker 1: little bit about that. The death of two American servicemen
Speaker 1: and an American citizen who was an interpreter in Syria
Speaker 1: by apparently someone who was working for the Syrian Defense
Speaker 1: Forces but apparently was not on our side. And President
Speaker 1: Trump has vowed that everyone responsible for the death of
Speaker 1: both of those American servicemen and the interpreter that they
Speaker 1: will be held accountable to this whatever that means. We
Speaker 1: still have a situation in Venezuela. Then, of course, we
Speaker 1: had the shooting at Bandai Beach in Australia. Two people
Speaker 1: Palestinian but Australian citizens, a man and his son who
Speaker 1: attacked and killed fifteen people during a Honikah celebration at
Speaker 1: a place called Bandai Beach. We will discuss that in
Speaker 1: the aftermath of that, and the anti Semitic hate that
Speaker 1: has risen not only in Australia but around the world
Speaker 1: and in our country. Our FBI is assisting Australian authorities
Speaker 1: in their investigation. And then, of course the shooting at
Speaker 1: Brown University on Saturday. Two students killed there, the gunman
Speaker 1: as of earlier today not captured. Well, the news is bleak.
Speaker 1: The good news is that the arrival of a savior
Speaker 1: and the celebration thereof arrives in just ten days. And
Speaker 1: as a Christian, I can't wait to celebrate the birth
Speaker 1: of Baby Jesus God with us. Oh Come Emmanuel. Up next,
Speaker 1: we'll talk to Dan was about the shooting specifically in
Speaker 1: Australia and even this is even though this is a
Speaker 1: country that for a long time has told their citizens
Speaker 1: they cannot be armed, How did this happen? We'll address
Speaker 1: it next with my favorite second amm guy. Dan was
Speaker 1: the author of the Good Gun, Bad Guy series of books.
Speaker 1: It's the Nightcap and we'll continue in just moments on
Speaker 1: seven hundred ar ulw.
Speaker 2: Our old friend.
Speaker 1: Dan was of the Good Gun, Bad Guy series of books, fame,
Speaker 1: and a man who was all over everywhere in social
Speaker 1: media and you can find a loaded mic on YouTube.
Speaker 1: Be careful how you spell Mike, by the way, and
Speaker 1: if you want to know anything about your Second Amendment
Speaker 1: rights and living in a truly free country where liberty
Speaker 1: is king and not the government, this is a guy
Speaker 1: you want to talk to. And I thought, in the
Speaker 1: wake of the awful tragedy this weekend. Hanikah began in
Speaker 1: Australia with the deaths of fifteen innocence strictly for being Jewish,
Speaker 1: and it was committed by a father and son who
Speaker 1: had licensed firearms in Australia. It is quite the process
Speaker 1: to be a licensed gun owner in Australia to run
Speaker 1: down some of those really conian laws that are about
Speaker 1: people control more than gun control. And there have been
Speaker 1: an effect in Australia going all the way back to
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety six. And they were so proud to tout
Speaker 1: how violence and murders were down because they'd gotten rid
Speaker 1: of the guns out of the hands of most citizens
Speaker 1: without major restrictions. Dan was once again is the man
Speaker 1: with the plan. Dan Good Evening, and this is an
Speaker 1: unspeakable tragedy number one caused by almost everyone's account by
Speaker 1: anti Semitism that has been allowed to run rampant in
Speaker 1: the land down Under. But good evening anyway, and let's
Speaker 1: talk a little bit about what happened at Bondai Beach
Speaker 1: and how the Australian government is likely to react to it.
Speaker 3: Hey, Gary, Jeff, Yeah, thanks for having me on the show.
Speaker 3: As always, You're right, man, this is a real This
Speaker 3: is a common of not only anti Semitism, but dangerous
Speaker 3: gun laws the Australian government. You mentioned the nineteen ninety
Speaker 3: six you know gun law. That's a law called the
Speaker 3: National Firearms Agreement in Australia, and it is so restrictive
Speaker 3: it puts the Australian people in such danger and makes
Speaker 3: them so vulnerable that you know, I believe that Australian
Speaker 3: governments should be held accountable in some way, just like
Speaker 3: I also believe that our American government should be held
Speaker 3: accountable when people get injured or killed in a gun
Speaker 3: free zone, for instance, where they can't defend themselves. But
Speaker 3: I can go through some of the details of the
Speaker 3: National Firearms Agreement in Australia if you'd like.
Speaker 1: Sure, Well, one of the things that's most striking about
Speaker 1: it to me, Dan, is that you have to provide
Speaker 1: a genuine reason that they accept to even be considered
Speaker 1: for a license to registrated gun. Self defense is not
Speaker 1: a genuine reason in the eyes of Australian officials.
Speaker 3: Right well, that that was one of the things I
Speaker 3: was gonna mention. Yes, you're absolutely right that that right
Speaker 3: there when they say you you you specifically can't have
Speaker 3: a firearm for self defense, and then one of these
Speaker 3: tragedies happens. Whose fault is that?
Speaker 4: Is this not.
Speaker 3: Obvious to everybody that the Australian government disarmed their people
Speaker 3: and put them in this situation and specifically said if
Speaker 3: you want players for defense, you can't. I don't know
Speaker 3: what else you have to do to make it blatantly
Speaker 3: obvious that you want people to get hurt.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would agree with you wholeheartedly.
Speaker 1: And of course their knee jerk reaction to this as
Speaker 1: to impose even stricter gun.
Speaker 2: Laws, which just as well.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's it's exacerbating the insanity that's already
Speaker 1: at play in this country. And this is a country,
Speaker 1: by the way, if you'll remember, during COVID Man they
Speaker 1: people had no freedom at all. You thought the lockdowns
Speaker 1: in the United States were bad, if you went more
Speaker 1: than five hundred feet outside your home, you could be
Speaker 1: arrested and fined, thrown in jail. In Australia, I mean,
Speaker 1: they really are an authoritarian kind of place to be
Speaker 1: called a democracy or anything resembling a free country at
Speaker 1: this point.
Speaker 3: It's so you know, it's so infuriating when you when
Speaker 3: you when you say that, I can't And maybe it's
Speaker 3: just because freedom is in our DNA here in America.
Speaker 3: As much as the political left tries to destroy our freedom, Uh,
Speaker 3: it's still in our DNA. I mean, it's part of
Speaker 3: who we are as Americans. The Australians, well, they don't
Speaker 3: have a constitution like we do, so that you know,
Speaker 3: they've been able to condition the people, I think a
Speaker 3: little bit easier than you'd be able to condition Americans.
Speaker 1: You said, you said something very very important to this conversation, Dan,
Speaker 1: you said, freedom is in our DNA in this country.
Speaker 2: And if you think about.
Speaker 1: It, historically Australia was a prison colony and in some
Speaker 1: ways it still is.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's amazing because it's hard for us to
Speaker 3: look at the look at these situations and go, what
Speaker 3: the hell is wrong with you people? I mean, I'm
Speaker 3: looking at them and going, what is wrong with you people?
Speaker 3: Are you really?
Speaker 5: Just are you?
Speaker 3: Are you stupid? Because you're watching people get killed knowing
Speaker 3: that they're getting killed because they've been disarmed, and then
Speaker 3: you want to disarm them even more.
Speaker 2: I don't know, Gary, Jeff.
Speaker 3: It's just sometimes it's astonishing to me. Maybe my brain
Speaker 3: just can't comprehend what they're thinking. And I try, believe me,
Speaker 3: I try to put myself in their mindset, but it
Speaker 3: just doesn't make sense unless unless the goal is to
Speaker 3: make people vulnerable and dependent upon their government.
Speaker 1: It sure smells like that, Dan in Australia and other places,
Speaker 1: in certain places in this country right now, depending on
Speaker 1: what the specific laws are. I mean, you're in New
Speaker 1: York State, You've got a governor that is anti gun,
Speaker 1: to say the least. Every time the Supreme Court comes
Speaker 1: down with a decision and Second Amendment, people feel like
Speaker 1: they've won a victory for their God given rights enshrined
Speaker 1: in the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. Kathy Hochel
Speaker 1: comes up with some other way to restrict guns again
Speaker 1: and you and I have talked about that many times,
Speaker 1: the gun free zones you mentioned at the top of this.
Speaker 1: Can you imagine if some of the celebrants on Bondai Beach,
Speaker 1: some of the Jewish people who were celebrating the first
Speaker 1: day of Honikh on Bondai Beach at summertime in Australia,
Speaker 1: had had access to a firearm specifically for self defense,
Speaker 1: which isn't a reason you can have a gun in Australia,
Speaker 1: that this might have been quelled and a lot less
Speaker 1: people may have died in this.
Speaker 2: You know, we got to give.
Speaker 1: A high five and prayers for quick recovery to the
Speaker 1: you know, the guy, the good Samaritan that attacked one
Speaker 1: of the shooters from behind, took his gun from him
Speaker 1: and held him at bay and neutralized him. But if
Speaker 1: that same person had had or had been permitted to
Speaker 1: have a weapon under Australian laws, it might have been
Speaker 1: over a lot quicker.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, you know, absolutely know, Like like here in America,
Speaker 3: you don't know who's got a who's got a handgun
Speaker 3: in their shoe on the beach, you know, or over
Speaker 3: their towel, things like that. I personally know people who
Speaker 3: who wouldn't go to the beach without a without a gun.
Speaker 3: So uh, anywhere for that matter, without a gun, you know,
Speaker 3: and and so. But in Australia you can, you can
Speaker 3: plan on everybody being unarmed and helpless, not only Australia,
Speaker 3: other countries too, of course, but in this particular case.
Speaker 3: So it's just absolutely shameful. I hate the fact that
Speaker 3: we have leaders in America and obviously leaders in Australia
Speaker 3: who want people defenseless, uh, unarmed, helpless, defenseless. It's an
Speaker 3: absolute shame and a travesty that we that especially Australia
Speaker 3: right now, doesn't rise up and and and revolt against this.
Speaker 3: But it's really I guess we'll wait to see what happens.
Speaker 3: Are they going to revolt or are they gonna implement
Speaker 3: more gun lots?
Speaker 5: You know?
Speaker 1: Well, this is the other question, Dan, how did with
Speaker 1: all of these very strict licensing and gun restrictions in Australia.
Speaker 1: Apparently the two gentlemen I called him gentlemen, the two
Speaker 1: murderers were carrying around licensed weapons. There's a minimum twenty
Speaker 1: eight day waiting period in Australia for a new gun
Speaker 1: license application be processed. And I remember watching a sixty
Speaker 1: minutes episode of this reporter just so proud of the
Speaker 1: man he was interviewing because he properly locked up all
Speaker 1: of his firearms on his location. He was on some farm,
Speaker 1: and so if anybody had attacked him at his home,
Speaker 1: he would have been totally defenseless, even though he had
Speaker 1: almost an arsenal out in his barn that was completely
Speaker 1: locked with the ammunition out of the guns. That's not
Speaker 1: exactly a recipe for being able to protect yourself against
Speaker 1: an armed robber or anyone else who would try and
Speaker 1: attack you and take your property.
Speaker 3: But yeah, responsible as a man, it's not responsible, uh,
Speaker 3: to put yourself in that position and not be able to.
Speaker 1: Protect your face, Yeah, and your family exactly. So when
Speaker 1: people ask for longer waiting periods before you can get
Speaker 1: a gun in this country, that that's not helpful.
Speaker 2: That's not that's not good.
Speaker 1: For the the uh, the betterment of society is it?
Speaker 3: Know, all you're doing is you're you're putting people in
Speaker 3: further danger. The right stories of people who had to wait.
Speaker 5: There was a.
Speaker 3: Carol, her name was in New Jersey. She had to
Speaker 3: wait extended period of time. They extended it over the
Speaker 3: thirty or ninety days, whatever it was. I think it
Speaker 3: was thirty day weight, it was forty five days. So
Speaker 3: she was trying to get her handgun. She still hadn't
Speaker 3: got her handgun at forty five days later, and that's
Speaker 3: when the guy she was trying to protect herself from
Speaker 3: killed her.
Speaker 2: Huh.
Speaker 3: So the New Jersey government made her vulnerable, made her defenseless,
Speaker 3: knowing there were police reports and everything. They knew that
Speaker 3: she was in danger from this guy, and yet they
Speaker 3: made her wait forty five days just so he could
Speaker 3: kill her. It's unbelievable.
Speaker 1: Well, you mentioned earlier that the Australian government is in
Speaker 1: a way responsible for this tragedy that happened on the
Speaker 1: beach during Hanukkah because of these just unbelievable draconian authoritarian
Speaker 1: gun laws. But they're also in a country that so
Speaker 1: famously cracked down over COVID and kept the lid on
Speaker 1: the entire society for a false narrative. This is also
Speaker 1: a government that has proven itself to be not answering
Speaker 1: to the calls to stamp out the anti Semitism that
Speaker 1: has been running rampant in this country. This is a
Speaker 1: country that could very easily obviously restrict everyone's rights and
Speaker 1: make anti Semitism a crime. But they've done nothing on
Speaker 1: that account, after attack after attack after attack.
Speaker 3: I mean because it's because it's not necessarily anti Semitism
Speaker 3: as much as it is radical Islam, yep. And they
Speaker 3: don't want to look at that.
Speaker 1: No, No, they don't want to admit it for political reasons.
Speaker 1: And it's because a lot of people that support their government,
Speaker 1: just like it is here in this country. You know,
Speaker 1: you look at the shooting at Brown University and they
Speaker 1: wondered if it's it's tied to some kind of interconnected
Speaker 1: international anti Semitic uprising. But that's that's to be told later.
Speaker 1: But in this country, people like Chuck Schumer, who is
Speaker 1: the highest ranked Jewish official in this country, won't come
Speaker 1: out against those in his own party that are saying
Speaker 1: anti Semitic things and from the River to the Sea
Speaker 1: and free Palestine and asking for a two states solution.
Speaker 1: Australia has endorsed a two state solution and it hasn't
Speaker 1: quelled those who were upset on the side of Islam.
Speaker 1: It's only it's only maybe made them feel entitled to
Speaker 1: go ahead and wreak havoc and maybe that's what this was.
Speaker 3: Isn't it amazing how leftling ideology has managed to become
Speaker 3: stronger in the minds of left wingers than their own religion.
Speaker 3: That's they've really done a number on these people, and
Speaker 3: they've really conditioned them and really brainwashed them to denounce
Speaker 3: their religion and in favor of the left wing ideology.
Speaker 3: It's just it's an amazing feat that they've accomplished. And
Speaker 3: I watch it and I go, what's wrong with you people?
Speaker 3: How can you denounce your own religion for your political party?
Speaker 3: But they've managed to.
Speaker 1: Do it, no doubt. It was a sad weekend. Like
Speaker 1: I started the show tonight, Dan, and I said, you know,
Speaker 1: I ten days till Christmas. I can't wait for it
Speaker 1: to get here because I want to celebrate something holy
Speaker 1: and good in my life and tune out what obviously
Speaker 1: is a fallen world. But you have to be able
Speaker 1: to protect yourself. That's our main point in our conversation. Uh,
Speaker 1: you know, guns are not the enemy. Guns are there
Speaker 1: to protect you from the enemy. And I think we
Speaker 1: can kind of leave it there any any last comments.
Speaker 3: Dan, Guns are good and that's the one that I
Speaker 3: can think up too. It's like, if we don't have them,
Speaker 3: we're vulnerable, and I think we need to really be
Speaker 3: focused on the people who want to disarm us. That's
Speaker 3: that's the real problem.
Speaker 5: Yep.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, Dan was Goodgunbadguy dot com if you'd like to
Speaker 1: find out more, and you can access all of Dan's
Speaker 1: other social media flings here and there, including the loaded
Speaker 1: mic video through that website.
Speaker 2: Initially, Dan was, thank.
Speaker 3: You so much, Thanks so much, Pal, I really appreciate it.
Speaker 3: Have a great Christmas, Merry Christmas.
Speaker 1: Dan, all right, Doctor Carol Lieberman coming up after the
Speaker 1: news here on the Nightcap on seven hundred WLW, a
Speaker 1: woman who was known as America's Psychiatrist, the Terrorist Therapist,
Speaker 1: host of Doctor Carroll's Couch on Voice America dot com,
Speaker 1: the Terrorist Therapist podcast, and you've probably seen her on
Speaker 1: multiple news outlets giving your opinion on well, what's going
Speaker 1: on in the psyche of the world. And I don't
Speaker 1: know if we've answered those questions yet, but to get
Speaker 1: a glimpse inside what will be next after the Bondai
Speaker 1: Beach attack to start honeke in Australia, fifteen dead and
Speaker 1: two terrorists, one dead, the other surviving. But what happens now,
Speaker 1: because it seems like this anti Semitic rise in terrorist
Speaker 1: violence has emboldened other people in pockets of the world
Speaker 1: where you know, it's kind of I don't know, ignored
Speaker 1: many cases for political and other reasons. If this has
Speaker 1: emboldened them to ramp up their attacks, or will this
Speaker 1: be a turning point where the world says this has
Speaker 1: to be stopped with some of the answers to that,
Speaker 1: or at least a glimpse into how this could resolve.
Speaker 1: Doctor Carol Lieberman joins us for a few minutes, Doctor leebaman, welcome.
Speaker 2: To the show. How are you?
Speaker 6: Thank you fine, thank you.
Speaker 2: I wonder.
Speaker 1: How somebody like Chuck Schumer, who is the highest ranking
Speaker 1: elected official who happens to be Jewish in this country,
Speaker 1: can continue to ignore or not discuss or hold accountable
Speaker 1: people in his own party who are I mean, blatantly
Speaker 1: anti Semitic and shouting things like from the River to
Speaker 1: the Sea and free Palestine and calling for this two
Speaker 1: state solution, which by the way, the Australian's Prime Minister
Speaker 1: was one their government was one of many across Europe
Speaker 1: calling for this two state solution in Israel, and that
Speaker 1: is not helpful when it comes to curtailing Islamist terrorism,
Speaker 1: don't you think not a good thing?
Speaker 6: Yes, absolutely. The government in Australia has not been very
Speaker 6: careful or really you know, has turned a deaf ear
Speaker 6: to you know, the rising anti Semitism there that people
Speaker 6: have been trying to alert them to. But you know,
Speaker 6: that's what's happening all over really and.
Speaker 7: You know in.
Speaker 6: Europe, in America except for Trump, who is paying attention,
Speaker 6: but he's being battled every which way, you know, a lawyers,
Speaker 6: i mean judges, you know, saying that he can't do
Speaker 6: some of the things that he wants to do in
Speaker 6: terms of getting some of these people out of America
Speaker 6: and a two state solutions, there is no way that
Speaker 6: that would ever work because really, you know, terrorists want
Speaker 6: to destroy Israel and so having two states, I mean
Speaker 6: so they can't be such a thing. Because the Palestinians,
Speaker 6: first of all, they never think that what, however much
Speaker 6: lands that Israel gives them is enough. Israel has already
Speaker 6: tried that for many many years uh for peace, to
Speaker 6: give parts of Israel away, and it has never worked.
Speaker 6: So it's not going to work now. But as far
Speaker 6: as bon Day that, I mean, you know that that
Speaker 6: was really shocking because we really haven't had such a
Speaker 6: major attack in Australia. But it just shows you how
Speaker 6: how prevalent this is, how prevalent terrorism is, and how
Speaker 6: complacent Americans are.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 6: I think I always each time that there is a
Speaker 6: horrible terror attack, I think I wish that this would finally.
Speaker 6: Is this one going to be the one that's going
Speaker 6: to turn the tide? Are people going to realize the
Speaker 6: method is enough? And so far there hasn't been one now,
Speaker 6: I mean because as part of it is the mainstream
Speaker 6: media isn't reporting all of the attacks. That there are
Speaker 6: attacks happening in Europe every day, France, the UK, Germany,
Speaker 6: Belgium every day and there was just one in Belgium
Speaker 6: at the Christmas market. That's when it often comes out
Speaker 6: in Europe besides just regular days, because and this is
Speaker 6: something you know a lot of times and it will
Speaker 6: probably happen with Australia to people just say, oh well,
Speaker 6: it'll never happen here again, or it'll never happen We
Speaker 6: don't have to worry about it. When there are eighty
Speaker 6: thousand Afghans, unvetted Afghans all over America, as well as
Speaker 6: other radical Islamists, some of whom are on the terrorist
Speaker 6: watch list. So you know, so they say some people
Speaker 6: will say, oh, well, they just really want to attack
Speaker 6: the Jews. We're safe if we're not Jewish, which is
Speaker 6: so not true. Terrorists want to kill everybody who is
Speaker 6: not an Islamist and who does not want to give
Speaker 6: in to Sharia laws, convert and give in to Sharia law.
Speaker 6: So nobody is safe in the West, and we have
Speaker 6: to start and to look what happens. Then New York,
Speaker 6: the main sight of nine to eleven, elects a radical
Speaker 6: Islamist mayor. So you know, I mean, people, it's if
Speaker 6: there are histories, if life goes on and there are
Speaker 6: history books, true history books, students in the future will
Speaker 6: just be incredulous that Americans did not do something before
Speaker 6: all of this, And in fact there's something they just stopped.
Speaker 6: The FBI foiled a plot in Los Angeles. There was
Speaker 6: going to be a terrorist for New Year's East. I mean,
Speaker 6: this is happening all around. It's going to continue to happen.
Speaker 4: Well, a lot of a lot unless we do something.
Speaker 1: A lot of it is happening in this country because
Speaker 1: and in other countries, to be honest, because of unvetted
Speaker 1: immigration and the open border policy of Joe Biden and
Speaker 1: the refuge program for Somalia started way back when. That
Speaker 1: has turned parts of Minnesota into Little Somalia and parts
Speaker 1: of Dearborn, Michigan into an Islami state almost. I mean,
Speaker 1: you look at the people that are being elected. Elan
Speaker 1: Omar was one of those Somali refugees and she got
Speaker 1: elected to the House of Representatives there and she's calling
Speaker 1: for uh into fada essentially. I mean, this is this
Speaker 1: is happening because we have allowed our culture in America
Speaker 1: to be poisoned by this Islamist tate. And you know,
Speaker 1: and we don't have any hatred toward anyone as a society.
Speaker 6: I mean, well we have been to too. You know,
Speaker 6: there's a point. I mean, it's of course you want
Speaker 6: to be kind to people, all kinds of people, but
Speaker 6: there's there's being naives and there's being ignorant. I mean,
Speaker 6: that is the problem.
Speaker 7: You know.
Speaker 6: It's like gays for Gaza. When Yahu was here and
Speaker 6: spoke to Congress, he talked about gays for Gaza, because
Speaker 6: you know, if they were in Gaza, they'd be thrown
Speaker 6: off a roofs. And yet these people, all these people
Speaker 6: in Gaze for Gaza. It's not just the gays, you know,
Speaker 6: it's all the people who are in those protests and
Speaker 6: so on. They don't realize that these same people who
Speaker 6: they're trying to support are terrorists who want.
Speaker 4: To kill them.
Speaker 1: It's like signing your own death warrant, basically, right, Oh
Speaker 1: so what is What do you think is the answer then,
Speaker 1: other than being aware that this is a real problem
Speaker 1: and that action must be taken, what kind of action
Speaker 1: would doctor Carol Lieberman suggest?
Speaker 6: Well, a number of things. First of all, we need
Speaker 6: to start seeing much more careful about who we elect,
Speaker 6: even to dogcatcher, you know, and of course to mayor
Speaker 6: and of course the governor and all of that, to
Speaker 6: make sure how knowledgeable they are about terrorism and terrorists.
Speaker 6: H Then also I think we need to each community
Speaker 6: needs to have a committee that talks about these things
Speaker 6: and what they're going to do to prevent anti Semitism,
Speaker 6: to be able to fight terrorists, you.
Speaker 5: Know, to.
Speaker 6: To not just wait for people on the top to
Speaker 6: figure out a solution, but to start doing things themselves
Speaker 6: and to start educating themselves. And that's of course the
Speaker 6: other place that is, you know, a big, big problem.
Speaker 6: Kids don't learn the true history. They don't learn the
Speaker 6: true history of America, and they don't certainly learn the
Speaker 6: true history of terrorism, because that would be considered as
Speaker 6: long as they'd be Islama, folks. I mean in some
Speaker 6: most schools, many schools, they don't even teach about what
Speaker 6: nine to eleven is. All the educational departments have to
Speaker 6: be revamped and to tell the truth. And you know,
Speaker 6: when I was first after nine to eleven, when I
Speaker 6: first became the terrorist therapist, you know, helping people cope
Speaker 6: with terrorism and all that, and then just come back
Speaker 6: from Israel, by the way, I was there volunteering helping
Speaker 6: people cope with the trauma from October seventh. So when
Speaker 6: I was first decided I'm going to do this, I
Speaker 6: had to educate myself about terrorism. I really didn't know
Speaker 6: very much, and so I went to conferences and read
Speaker 6: books and all kinds of things. And at these conferences,
Speaker 6: people who were experts on terrorism talked about how terrorism
Speaker 6: terrorists were going to be taking over America, but not
Speaker 6: necessarily just by nine to eleven attacks or similar kinds
Speaker 6: of attacks, but by infiltrating themselves in the education system,
Speaker 6: in politics, and in the media. And that is exactly
Speaker 6: what happened. And they knew this, you know, twenty four
Speaker 6: years ago. So and yet not enough has been done
Speaker 6: to stop it.
Speaker 1: Well, you talked about revamping our educational systems, so the
Speaker 1: next generation is taught about terrorism, about freedom and history
Speaker 1: in general.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: It's another situation where we've taken the Bible and God
Speaker 1: out of our public life, in public schools, you know,
Speaker 1: and they could read their Bible and learn about the
Speaker 1: history of Israel, you know what, they could understand that
Speaker 1: this isn't like a problem from the last fifty sixty years,
Speaker 1: that this.
Speaker 2: Has been going on for this has been going on.
Speaker 1: For thousands of years. That Israel is the promised land
Speaker 1: given to the Jews by God as their home. I mean,
Speaker 1: if you look at the real history of that region,
Speaker 1: it belongs to the Jews. I guess that makes you
Speaker 1: It makes me a Zionist. But okay, oh well I'm
Speaker 1: a Zionist then because Israel is for Jews, yes, and
Speaker 1: not people that want to kill them.
Speaker 6: Yes. I mean you have to go back. If you
Speaker 6: go back and back and back, you know, then you
Speaker 6: realize that this there never was a Palestine for one,
Speaker 6: so you know, yes, this is and what's ironic about
Speaker 6: the Fundai attack is the man who was the hero.
Speaker 6: You know, I have the gun from one of the gunmen.
Speaker 6: He was from Syria and conica all about how the
Speaker 6: Syrians attacked the temple, destroyed the temple, and and how
Speaker 6: there was a little bit of oil left and they
Speaker 6: tried they lit a candle with it, and so they
Speaker 6: thought it would last for just one day, and it
Speaker 6: turned out to last for eight days. And so about
Speaker 6: the eight nights of Honkah, the miracle, a miracle happened.
Speaker 6: Here is what is the saying for the.
Speaker 1: Miracle of light. And by the way, happy hanaka doctor Carol.
Speaker 6: I didn't get a chance, thank you, thank you. Yes.
Speaker 6: So so look at the irony like a nice thing,
Speaker 6: you know, a positive thing. Okay, they destroyed the temple
Speaker 6: many years ago, but Assyrians, you know, stop this attack.
Speaker 6: That's really irony and it's really lovely.
Speaker 2: It is that the bravery of that man.
Speaker 1: I'm watching that video and just like look like some
Speaker 1: kind of an action movie or something. But I mean, yes,
Speaker 1: that that guy's a hero for sure, and he paid
Speaker 1: for it with an injury. But it looks like he's
Speaker 1: going to be getting out of the hospital and fine
Speaker 1: shape when it's all said and done. So Australia, of course,
Speaker 1: isn't blaming anti semitism. I was just on the phone
Speaker 1: with my friend Dan was author of Gun Goodgunbadguy dot com. Uh,
Speaker 1: they're planning, they're planning on more restrictive gun laws because
Speaker 1: this father and son terrorist team had licensed guns in Australia,
Speaker 1: which is almost impossible to get a licensed permit in
Speaker 1: Australia to have a gun, and so they're the Australian
Speaker 1: government's answer isn't to attack anti semitism. It's for stricter
Speaker 1: gun laws. That's how backward these people are.
Speaker 6: Absolutely, of course that's what they do here when yeah,
Speaker 6: there's a school shooting. Oh we have to make stricter
Speaker 6: gun laws. Yes, not address the problem, you know, because
Speaker 6: in some ways the well, for a number of reasons.
Speaker 6: One because there are people who want to do that anyway,
Speaker 6: which is so dangerous because you could get someone in
Speaker 6: it as the president who doesn't have well like we
Speaker 6: had Biden and like we had Obama who didn't really
Speaker 6: have American's best interests at heart. So we do need
Speaker 6: to be able to have guns. But you have to
Speaker 6: go deeper than that. You know, you have to look
Speaker 6: at well for the kids. You have to look at kids'
Speaker 6: mental health and how to help them, and certainly for
Speaker 6: anti Semitism, you have to work on changing that. You know,
Speaker 6: there are so many, so many inventions, technical inventions in particular,
Speaker 6: but all kinds of things that Israelis have done. You know,
Speaker 6: people would be shocked, like their telephones would be taken
Speaker 6: away in your cell phones and all that and lots
Speaker 6: of other technical things that they rely on. You know,
Speaker 6: if if there hadn't been.
Speaker 1: Israel, doctor Kara Lieherman, America's psychiatrists, the terrorist therapist.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for your.
Speaker 1: Time, and we can pray for peace and better days,
Speaker 1: but we can't ignore the problem.
Speaker 2: And I think that's absolu.
Speaker 1: All right, Thank you so much, thank you, and I
Speaker 1: say Merry Christmas, and I say it's time for a break.
Speaker 1: And when we come back, more Nightcap, including Richard Lyons
Speaker 1: on the DNA of Democracy.
Speaker 2: You're on seven hundred w LW.
Speaker 1: Into our number two of tonight's night tap on seven
Speaker 1: hundred W l W. Gary jeff And joining us now,
Speaker 1: author and poet, the author of DNA, DNA of Democracy
Speaker 1: and Shadows of the Acropolis, and so many things to
Speaker 1: talk about regarding what feels different and why we're not
Speaker 1: living up to our birthright as a country right now.
Speaker 1: Richard Lyons joins us tonight. And the first thing Richard
Speaker 1: said when I called him on the phone a few
Speaker 1: moments ago was I'm sorry about Joe Burrow. And you know,
Speaker 1: before we get to weightier issues, Richard, let's let's go
Speaker 1: ahead and tackle this one. Nothing to feel bad about
Speaker 1: regarding Joe Burrow except feeling bad for him that he's
Speaker 1: saddled with a franchise that obviously doesn't want to win
Speaker 1: as badly as he does, and they prove it every
Speaker 1: year and sadly the best years of Joe Burrow's life.
Speaker 1: He maybe feels this way too, He hasn't said so publicly.
Speaker 1: Have been wasted on this moribund franchise that can't seem
Speaker 1: to get out of its own way. Any thoughts on that?
Speaker 8: Oh well, He's just he needs two things. He needs
Speaker 8: a couple of things. He needs an offensive line, they
Speaker 8: can stop the opponent's defense.
Speaker 7: Yeah, and he needs a.
Speaker 8: Defense that can stop the opponent. He needs a great deal.
Speaker 1: Well, we had neither of those yesterday in a twenty
Speaker 1: four to nothing lost to the Baltimore Ravens, including two
Speaker 1: more Joe Burrow interceptions, which is not the usual Joe
Speaker 1: Burrow modus operandi. I mean, he's thrown two interceptions each
Speaker 1: in the last two games, and people blame Joe Burrow
Speaker 1: just cannot see the fours for the trees.
Speaker 2: It's it's it's amazing.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 8: I think he's just exhausted because it's such an impossible position.
Speaker 8: He said, So you tend to you tend to lose
Speaker 8: spirits when when you know you're not going to get
Speaker 8: to where you need to go.
Speaker 1: You know, And let's blend. Let's segue that into our conversation,
Speaker 1: our greater conversation. Talking to Richard Lyons on the Nightcap,
Speaker 1: as author of The DNA of Democracy and Shadows of
Speaker 1: the Acropolis, do you think that it's easy for Americans
Speaker 1: who care about their country of pride in this country
Speaker 1: and pride in what it stands for and was based upon.
Speaker 1: Do you think that a lot of us are getting
Speaker 1: a little tired and worn out from what's happening from
Speaker 1: within our country.
Speaker 8: Well, that's a really good question, but we shouldn't. And
Speaker 8: I'll try and describe why I wrote the DNA of
Speaker 8: Democracy series because I feel the American people need an
Speaker 8: education on the unique brilliance of the history of this country.
Speaker 8: It is unexampled in world history that we had a
Speaker 8: country fought for the rights of humanity, a country that
Speaker 8: fought for the divine rights given to every individual. This
Speaker 8: is a system that is opposite to the tyrannical systems
Speaker 8: of government that existed throughout human history. And so when
Speaker 8: you go to the point in seventeen eighty seven Gary
Speaker 8: where they're constructing the Constitution, they took elements of common
Speaker 8: law from the Ten Commandments. They took elements of rights
Speaker 8: trial by jury from the Greek democracy in Athens. They
Speaker 8: took examples of home of property ownership and of commercial
Speaker 8: rights from Rome, and again from England and its common
Speaker 8: laws and the Magna Carta. And I put all that
Speaker 8: together to show how these are each cornerstones of our
Speaker 8: unique constitution and were put there very deliberately to protect
Speaker 8: us from systems of tyranny. Which are like social socialism
Speaker 8: is a tyrannical form of government. And what we're seeing
Speaker 8: in America today, and this is where Shadows of the
Speaker 8: Acropolis comes in. It's a chronicle of the last one
Speaker 8: hundred years, beginning with Woodrow Wilson and the slow incremental
Speaker 8: growth of socialism in this country to the point where
Speaker 8: today you have Mamdani running as an open socialist in
Speaker 8: New York and uh in California you have a governor
Speaker 8: who who acts like one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no doubt about it.
Speaker 8: And that's where we are. And so we really were
Speaker 8: at we're at a critical point, right it was we were.
Speaker 8: We were at a critical point in the Civil War
Speaker 8: and it cost a million casualties to correct the flaw,
Speaker 8: the flaw of slavery in the original Constitution. We now
Speaker 8: stand at a point where the Democrat Party has invited
Speaker 8: in and grown socialism for one hundred years. And we
Speaker 8: have to face this now and have faith in the
Speaker 8: cornerstones of our country. And they are a faith in federalism,
Speaker 8: a faith in representative government and not in the administrative state,
Speaker 8: a faith in constitutional law, faith in free enterprise, and
Speaker 8: acknowledge the gift that Judaeo Christianity is.
Speaker 5: To this system.
Speaker 8: These are faiths which demand humility and understanding and peace
Speaker 8: with political opponents, which socialism does not do.
Speaker 1: No, Aman, you've seen the rise of the left, the
Speaker 1: socialism socialists that you're talking about, and how they are
Speaker 1: have no compunction at all against using violence to achieve
Speaker 1: their goals.
Speaker 8: And if they do not do it legally, they do
Speaker 8: it extra legally, which is through the administrative state. And
Speaker 8: if they can't do it there or bend the elbow
Speaker 8: of the judiciary, then yes, they use violence. You're exactly right.
Speaker 2: And we've seen time and time again on the.
Speaker 8: Left where when they burned out two hundred cities, oh
Speaker 8: because they were saying angry.
Speaker 1: You know, the city of Cincinnati did a pretty good
Speaker 1: job during the riots of twenty twenty, I will give
Speaker 1: them credit, but still we had that here. It wasn't
Speaker 1: just in Seattle or Portland or Los Angeles or any
Speaker 1: of these major leftist cities. It happened everywhere, and it
Speaker 1: was condoned by leaders at the time as justice for
Speaker 1: George Floyd. You know, the time where the rest of
Speaker 1: us were being told that we had to wear masks
Speaker 1: if we went outside the house because of the threat
Speaker 1: of the COVID boogeyman. If you were if you were
Speaker 1: writing and setting things on fire to Black Lives Matter
Speaker 1: rally and you weren't mirroring a mask, well that was
Speaker 1: justified because you know, COVID's not going to touch people
Speaker 1: who were rioting for a just cause, were not peacefully protesting.
Speaker 2: We did see that.
Speaker 1: And no, the other tie to the rise of socialism
Speaker 1: is the rise of globalism.
Speaker 2: Yes, in our world.
Speaker 1: You know that they're talking about a world in which
Speaker 1: we won't no one will own anything, but we'll have
Speaker 1: a nice little apartment box and a big screen TV
Speaker 1: and we'll.
Speaker 8: Be happy at a bucket of popcorn.
Speaker 1: Yeah great, and we'll be happy.
Speaker 8: Yes, No, that's exactly so. And you find the global
Speaker 8: The way we were constructed originally was that most politics
Speaker 8: were local. It was at the town assembly that you
Speaker 8: exerted direct democracy and let people in your town know
Speaker 8: how you feel, and if you had a better way
Speaker 8: of doing things, your idea carried the vote. What this
Speaker 8: creeping socialism has done for one hundred years has taken
Speaker 8: governance from local and state government and taking all that
Speaker 8: power and all that money and put it in one
Speaker 8: city and DC centralized it and redistributed it so that
Speaker 8: they determine who gets money back from all the taxes
Speaker 8: that we pay, and they do so based on whether
Speaker 8: you carry, whether you carry the water for the political
Speaker 8: will of the Democrat Party. So this is where we're
Speaker 8: at today. What we need to we need to go
Speaker 8: back to federalism. We need to decentralize as much as
Speaker 8: we can. And there's a there's a great case before
Speaker 8: the Supreme Court which will determine whether Donald Trump can
Speaker 8: go to an agency which he is theoretically as the
Speaker 8: executive running, and replace the heads of those agencies or
Speaker 8: evacuate them all together. Right, And I think his best
Speaker 8: example is what he's doing with the Education Department, where
Speaker 8: he's unraveling the department and taking all that power and
Speaker 8: giving it back to the state. And I think that's
Speaker 8: what needs to be happening here.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, I think that there's hope that they
Speaker 1: will make that determination at the highest court in the land.
Speaker 1: They already did something really, really good a couple of
Speaker 1: years ago with the Chevron decisions.
Speaker 8: So exactly, which took the.
Speaker 1: Power out of these administrative states, the administrative state, the
Speaker 1: unelected bureaucrats in these administrations, agencies that are appointed, not elected,
Speaker 1: and you know, giving the power back to Congress and
Speaker 1: the president as far as rules and regulations, and Donald
Speaker 1: Trump has been instrumental in deregulating a lot of these
Speaker 1: draconian administrative state kind of rules made by people who
Speaker 1: don't have any accountability.
Speaker 2: To the city.
Speaker 8: I don't think. I don't know, if you know, most
Speaker 8: people in America don't understand that the administrative state is,
Speaker 8: by its function, a fourth part of our government. Yeah,
Speaker 8: and they exercise legislative characteristics, executive and judicial characteristics, and
Speaker 8: investigative powers all in one. And this is exactly why
Speaker 8: our government is broken into three branches, because you never
Speaker 8: want that. And so you have four hundred and ninety
Speaker 8: five agencies peopled by a couple of million people that
Speaker 8: are making rules for the country that never pass the legislature,
Speaker 8: and if you don't follow their rules, they can find
Speaker 8: you or jail you. That is not how we were founded.
Speaker 1: That is truly taxation without representation, which is what we
Speaker 1: broke away from.
Speaker 2: The King for.
Speaker 8: Yeah, exactly, exactly so, and so that's what my two
Speaker 8: books go into. Why did we leave the King and
Speaker 8: why have we gotten back to that? How have we
Speaker 8: gotten back to that? And we have a government that's
Speaker 8: un answerable to our will. It's supposed to be our government,
Speaker 8: but we are being treated now like we're subjects, and
Speaker 8: that's the growth of socialism.
Speaker 2: Can we look back, Richard Lyons, to.
Speaker 1: What happened to the democracy in ancient Greece and what
Speaker 1: happened to what what was the Roman Empire? And why
Speaker 1: they fell? Are we seeing Are we seeing similar signs here?
Speaker 8: Yeah? They Well, in Athens, I would point out that
Speaker 8: there was a there was a central treasury of the
Speaker 8: League of Greek City States that formed an answer to
Speaker 8: the Persian invasions, and its treasury was held in Delos.
Speaker 8: So that would be the equivalent in the United States
Speaker 8: of oh, the treasury is in Missouri.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 8: Then Athens got arrogant and Athens said, no, we're going
Speaker 8: to take the treasury from being in Delos. We're going
Speaker 8: to put it in Athens. And not just that, but
Speaker 8: every one of the league in the Delian League is
Speaker 8: a lesser city state than Athens. From now on, Athens
Speaker 8: will dictate to the Delian League that was contrary to
Speaker 8: the to the federalism that the Greek city states enjoyed.
Speaker 8: And again, so it's a concentration of power again. And
Speaker 8: with Rome, what happened was through a series of civil wars,
Speaker 8: the Senate started losing its power as a ballast of
Speaker 8: the state, and individuals started concentrating power in their own clans,
Speaker 8: and it ended up with the Julia Claudians winning the
Speaker 8: emperorship and that destroyed the Republic. It's always concentration of wealth,
Speaker 8: concentration of power, and that started in our country with
Speaker 8: Woodrow Wilson.
Speaker 1: Well don't you think that that kind of plays into
Speaker 1: this party system we have in this country that George
Speaker 1: Washington warned about as he was.
Speaker 8: Yes, that was it was one of the premier concerns
Speaker 8: of all the founders that by having magnetism in political
Speaker 8: parties where you formed different groups that combat at each
Speaker 8: other and vie for power, Yeah, that would be a
Speaker 8: problem because it naturally goes against individual rights, liberties, and interests.
Speaker 8: But that is how we're formed, and we have these
Speaker 8: two massive parties. And today I like the idea that
Speaker 8: the Republicans, rather than being a junior partner to the
Speaker 8: Democrat Party as it was for decades, We're now fighting
Speaker 8: for constitutional principles. We're now fighting for the education system
Speaker 8: to be given back to the states. We're now fighting
Speaker 8: like with Doge, where are these guys spending their money?
Speaker 8: How did Stacy Abrams get two billion dollars through the EPA.
Speaker 8: We're on the virtuous side of this fight, and I'm
Speaker 8: happy that the Republican Party is as strong as it
Speaker 8: is now.
Speaker 1: Well, hopefully it can maintain that strength through the midterms
Speaker 1: coming up. And yeah, absolutely there are signs pointing both
Speaker 1: ways as to how that goes right now, but we're
Speaker 1: still months off.
Speaker 8: Well, I think we really need a central message.
Speaker 7: Now.
Speaker 8: The beauty of Trump was maga make America great again.
Speaker 8: Now there's a hundred policies under that, but everybody recognizes
Speaker 8: that line. Everybody has that hat, and that's what everybody
Speaker 8: voted for. So I think we need you know, it
Speaker 8: needs to We need to know we're fighting for the Constitution,
Speaker 8: We're fighting for free enterprise, We're fighting for federalism. I mean,
Speaker 8: federalism is a virtue that we've forgotten. But we in
Speaker 8: we in in Ohio shouldn't be paying for the sins
Speaker 8: of California, or for the sins of New York. If
Speaker 8: we run our budgets right, we should be rewarded for that.
Speaker 8: It shouldn't be redistributed.
Speaker 2: No, exactly.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you, Richard Lyons, Uh, what what other
Speaker 1: federal agencies this adminis straight of state would you like
Speaker 1: to see disbanded? If you had the power to suggest
Speaker 1: to the President and the powers that be, what besides
Speaker 1: the Department of Education needs to go? Because I can
Speaker 1: think of about four or five myself.
Speaker 8: I would think if we make a virtuous enough tax system,
Speaker 8: we could do without the irs.
Speaker 5: Amen, there you go, all.
Speaker 1: Right, I think the Department of Energy could go. I
Speaker 1: think that, to be honest, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco,
Speaker 1: Firearms and Explosives doesn't need to exist.
Speaker 2: Leave that to local law enforcement work.
Speaker 1: With the thing.
Speaker 8: All of these agencies and this is their weakness. Every
Speaker 8: agency has offices in every state, So why not let
Speaker 8: the states decide whether they want to keep that office
Speaker 8: in their state. Yeah, So if you want a Bureau
Speaker 8: of Tobacco Firearms in the state of Utah, keep it,
Speaker 8: but disband the one in Washington.
Speaker 1: Well, I always thought that alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms should
Speaker 1: be a store, not a government agency.
Speaker 8: Well, I think Joe Burrow is pulling up to the
Speaker 8: alcohol part of it.
Speaker 1: Well, I don't know. Do you see that sad press
Speaker 1: conference on his birthday?
Speaker 8: My gosh, it just he is such a natural quarterback. Yeah,
Speaker 8: I mean everything about him, he's the natural.
Speaker 2: He was the best quarterback in the NFL last year.
Speaker 8: Yeah, by farnuck.
Speaker 7: And he's suck.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he is stuck and he doesn't like it.
Speaker 2: And I don't blame him.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, it almost shrieks of Andrew Luck
Speaker 1: with the Indianapolis Colts and others you've seen that just
Speaker 1: just went to the wrong team. And I hate to
Speaker 1: say that about your Bengals, folks, but you know, and
Speaker 1: like you know, they didn't not even I'm going to
Speaker 1: get into this with the wild Man later on tonight,
Speaker 1: Wildman Walker. They didn't even. And the NFL requires teams
Speaker 1: to clean snow off of benches and railings before a game. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and the Bengals did.
Speaker 2: Not do that.
Speaker 1: And they did not allow fans to bring cardboard or
Speaker 1: anything to stand on. When they didn't clean off the
Speaker 1: stadium like they're supposed to under National Football League rules.
Speaker 2: I'd like to see him.
Speaker 8: Find for not doing well that you know, there's a
Speaker 8: real health hazard to that. Oh yeah, clips on the ice,
Speaker 8: for God's.
Speaker 5: Sake, exactly.
Speaker 8: You're a lot of liability there.
Speaker 1: And it's not like we live in an overly litigious society.
Speaker 8: The Democrats love that too, by the way.
Speaker 2: Oh yes, they do money for free.
Speaker 1: Anything else you'd like to add here in our closing minute, No, but.
Speaker 8: I take hope in this. I take hope in this
Speaker 8: that Trump was elected in twenty sixteen when we were
Speaker 8: about to become institutionally socialist under Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama,
Speaker 8: that while he was out of power, right while he
Speaker 8: was in power twenty sixteen to twenty twenty, he got
Speaker 8: a majority in the Supreme Court. And now you're watching
Speaker 8: with Chevron and other issues that they are rolling back
Speaker 8: the administrative state.
Speaker 2: Good.
Speaker 8: So this is all good. That Trump got elected again
Speaker 8: in twenty four knowing what he had to do, knowing
Speaker 8: what his cabinets should be composed of, he got a
Speaker 8: lot of great people. I think we're better off from
Speaker 8: that one election to twenty sixteen that we can really recognize.
Speaker 8: I think history will recognize it more than we do now.
Speaker 1: All right, Richard lyonce, thank you so much the DNA
Speaker 1: of Democracy, Shadows of the Acropolis. Look for him and
Speaker 1: get yourself an education on the way things you're supposed
Speaker 1: to be.
Speaker 8: All right, Thanks Garry.
Speaker 2: You take care of him. Merry Christmas Richard an to you.
Speaker 5: All right.
Speaker 1: We will continue in just a few moments. My friend
Speaker 1: Dan was was here with us earlier. Another buddy, Drew Allen.
Speaker 1: First time in probably two two and a half years
Speaker 1: i've had Drew on. He's got a brand new book
Speaker 1: about Charlie Kirk and about the movement the turning point
Speaker 1: USA has begun, and about what's really important. So stick
Speaker 1: around for that after a break on the nightcap on
Speaker 1: seven hundred WLW.
Speaker 2: As I mentioned.
Speaker 1: Before the break, it's been a long long time since
Speaker 1: I had the pleasure of having Drew Thomas Allen on.
Speaker 1: We first met, gosh six seven years ago. Probably he
Speaker 1: was helping me book guests on this show and always
Speaker 1: gave me the best people and he still does to
Speaker 1: this Hey, but he's also an author.
Speaker 2: He's also a father.
Speaker 1: By the way, we'll start the conversation this way, Drew Allen,
Speaker 1: how is the family.
Speaker 2: How's everybody doing?
Speaker 4: Oh, they're good man.
Speaker 9: My oldest is approaching three rapidly, she'll be three of
Speaker 9: the inn of March. So I keep saying two and
Speaker 9: a half. I've been saying two and a half for
Speaker 9: like three months. But anyway, and then and my other
Speaker 9: daughters rapidly approaching one. She'll be one in January. So
Speaker 9: so yeah, busy, it's a blessing.
Speaker 1: I haven't I haven't talked to you since the birth
Speaker 1: of your second child. That's how long it's been. But
Speaker 1: God bless you. I'm I'm glad that it is a blessing,
Speaker 1: and I hope it's some merrier Christmas with all of
Speaker 1: that baby joy around the Allen house.
Speaker 9: Yeah, you get to readlive your childhood a little bit,
Speaker 9: so it's an amazing thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: The latest book that Drew has written is called for
Speaker 1: Christ and Country, The Martyrdom of Charlie Kirk. A lot
Speaker 1: of Charlie Cookbrooks kirkbooks out there right now. Erica has
Speaker 1: been front and center his widow and there's a new controversy.
Speaker 2: Maybe we can get into that.
Speaker 1: But first and foremost, why did you feel compelled to
Speaker 1: write a book about Charlie Kirk?
Speaker 2: Drew?
Speaker 9: Well, I didn't intend to write a book straight away,
Speaker 9: I'll just tell the quick story, and I have a
Speaker 9: very strong point that I think your audience will relate to.
Speaker 4: So you mentioned I'm a father, I am. I'm thirty eight.
Speaker 9: I don't usually pick up my daughter from school from preschool,
Speaker 9: but my wife told me that morning that the previous
Speaker 9: day she'd gone to pick up our daughter from school,
Speaker 9: and my daughter come to the car and been really
Speaker 9: disappointed because I wasn't there. She was like dad, adding car,
Speaker 9: his dad had there, and she kept saying. My wife said, no,
Speaker 9: he'sn't home. And I said, you know what, I'm gonna
Speaker 9: come with you and we're gonna pick her up. I
Speaker 9: want to see that joy on her face when she
Speaker 9: sees her dad there. And so as we pulled into
Speaker 9: the parking lot of the school, I got the notification
Speaker 9: that Charlie had been shot.
Speaker 4: And you know, i'd been.
Speaker 9: There before in the sense that we all were there
Speaker 9: when when Trump got shot at the Butler Pennsylvania rally,
Speaker 9: but it was really quickly revealed that he was okay,
Speaker 9: and this was different. So I was scrolling on my
Speaker 9: phone refreshing news feeds while my wife went to get
Speaker 9: her daughter, and then I saw the video and anybody
Speaker 9: who saw that video knew, like it's not humanly possible,
Speaker 9: you know.
Speaker 4: To survive it. Just it was just so gruesome, and.
Speaker 1: I mean it all looked it almost looked computer generated
Speaker 1: when I saw it the first time, and it just
Speaker 1: didn't look real and it didn't feel real. But unfortunately
Speaker 1: it was go ahead.
Speaker 9: Well yeah, and it still kind of feels that way,
Speaker 9: like I can't believe he's gone. But in the moment
Speaker 9: that I realized he was dead, I mean, my gut
Speaker 9: told me that my daughter was running to the car
Speaker 9: and she was so happy and like yelling at the
Speaker 9: top of the lungs.
Speaker 4: Dad, Dad as in the car, Dad as in car.
Speaker 9: And as I embraced my daughter, you know, I realized,
Speaker 9: like Charlie's little girl's never gonna have that experience again.
Speaker 4: And it just it like it crushed me, man.
Speaker 9: And you know, I was Charlie's publicist last summer for
Speaker 9: Right Wing Revolution, but I didn't know him personally.
Speaker 4: And that's the that's the core of the book. I
Speaker 4: make that clear.
Speaker 9: And I'm writing like millions of Americans who just felt
Speaker 9: devastated and we're trying to understand why. I mean, we've
Speaker 9: all the older you get, the more people die, right,
Speaker 9: And so I've lost people, but nobody affected me like Charlie.
Speaker 4: And part of it was it was so close to home.
Speaker 9: He had two kids who were roughly my kid's age,
Speaker 9: had in his case a daughter and a son.
Speaker 4: And I cried for a week, Gary like I.
Speaker 9: The next morning, I slept it by my wi my
Speaker 9: daughter's oldest daughter's crib that night, just because I wanted
Speaker 9: to be close to her.
Speaker 4: The next morning, at breakfast, I just broke down.
Speaker 9: She touched me with her little oatmeal covered hands at
Speaker 9: the breakfast table, and I just like, I just wept.
Speaker 9: And my daughter, you know, his dad has a dada,
Speaker 9: has an auchi and my wife said, yeah, he has
Speaker 9: an aushae on his heart, you know.
Speaker 4: And I just I was.
Speaker 9: Grappling with this, and and I knew Charlie was, you know,
Speaker 9: in important. But I don't think anyone, I don't I
Speaker 9: don't think anyone understood how important he was because he
Speaker 9: planted a lot of seeds and apparently he planted seeds
Speaker 9: for me too. And then as I was watching his
Speaker 9: videos and his sermons effectively, because he was kind of
Speaker 9: like a preacher, really set down to because he put
Speaker 9: he put his faith first. I just it just it
Speaker 9: just moved me, and it it just challenged me to
Speaker 9: confront like the gap in myself between the man I
Speaker 9: wanted to be and kind of the man Charlie became.
Speaker 4: Charlie wasn't always that Charlie Kirk.
Speaker 9: He had a hunger for truth, a hunger for knowledge
Speaker 9: and and faith and deepening that stuff. And so I
Speaker 9: still had this residual fear because I'd lost so many
Speaker 9: friends Democrat friends in twenty twenty. And even though I
Speaker 9: told myself I was courageous. I mean, I'm not tepid.
Speaker 9: I write books, I do a podcast, I come on shows.
Speaker 9: But he went into hostile environments and I would never
Speaker 9: have done that in the past because I just like
Speaker 9: the sting of, like of of the secular world, you know,
Speaker 9: And and so it killed that fear in me too.
Speaker 9: And so I went on this journey because I wanted
Speaker 9: people to understand why this happened.
Speaker 4: Who did it?
Speaker 9: It was the left transgender movement, and to talk to
Speaker 9: Americans about what we have to do to prevent this.
Speaker 9: And it's just that's what it was kind of born of.
Speaker 9: And then there are all these issues we need to
Speaker 9: talk about as a country, because I don't want to
Speaker 9: live in a country where this happens. Not only where
Speaker 9: this happens, but you know, I've got a chapter called
Speaker 9: nine ten is the new nine to eleven. That's not
Speaker 9: to downplay nine to eleven, But I remember when the
Speaker 9: towers fell when I was a freshman, Gary Jeff. And
Speaker 9: even more shocking than the event itself was the reaction
Speaker 9: by Muslims in the Middle East that were celebrating our pain.
Speaker 9: And that was happening in the United States of America
Speaker 9: by leftists.
Speaker 2: Celebrating Charlie's death. Yeah, it disgusted me.
Speaker 1: And the thing is, we on the right, for the
Speaker 1: most part, don't have hatred against our political enemies or
Speaker 1: against the people that disagree with us.
Speaker 2: We don't generally do that.
Speaker 1: The left, it seems, has a pensiant for thinking violence
Speaker 1: is okay. And you look and poll after poll around
Speaker 1: this country. If you're looking at Democrats or people who
Speaker 1: identify as Democrats, people on the left are condoning. I mean,
Speaker 1: they're in favor. They think it's okay sometimes to commit
Speaker 1: violence against someone that you disagree with. And that's really
Speaker 1: a bad trend. In this country that has just risen
Speaker 1: up over the last five to ten years.
Speaker 5: Drew.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean it started with Trump's election twenty sixteen,
Speaker 9: and I get into an address on that.
Speaker 4: This book's very personal too, but.
Speaker 9: It started in twenty sixteen, and then by twenty twenty
Speaker 9: is when it really mistastatized, metastized, right, because you know,
Speaker 9: I didn't lose my friends in twenty sixteen the first
Speaker 9: time I voted for Trump. I did in twenty twenty
Speaker 9: because that constant drumbeat of hatred and the human is
Speaker 9: is what it was led people to excommunicate me from
Speaker 9: their lives just because of politics. And so there's moral
Speaker 9: relatives on the left. Charlie talked about it. We believe
Speaker 9: in transcendent.
Speaker 4: Power in God. They are moral absolutes, and the left
Speaker 4: doesn't believe that.
Speaker 9: So you know, Trump, I mean, well Trump too, But
Speaker 9: Charlie to the left was just a clump of sales. Right,
Speaker 9: It's just like an unborn baby wild. If you don't
Speaker 9: want the baby, it's a clump of sales. But if
Speaker 9: you want it, it's a baby. You know, you get
Speaker 9: the sonogram and it's like, that's a beautiful baby. If
Speaker 9: you want it and if you don't, it's just a
Speaker 9: thing to be discarded and killed. And so that's what
Speaker 9: they viewed Charlie kirkas. He wasn't somebody. He wasn't a father,
Speaker 9: a husband, a human being. He was just you know,
Speaker 9: it was crazy what they did because they said his
Speaker 9: words were violence, and then they said actual violence that
Speaker 9: took his life.
Speaker 4: You know that was righteous.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's insane. It is insane, and you're right. It
Speaker 1: is very much like people Islamist in the Middle East
Speaker 1: dancing with joy when the towers came down in this country.
Speaker 2: Back in two thousand and one, we're.
Speaker 1: Talking to Drew Allen about his new book For Country
Speaker 1: or for Christ and Country rather get it right, Christ First, Always,
Speaker 1: For Christ and Country. The Martyrdom of Charlie Kirk. There
Speaker 1: was a meeting earlier today. I've not heard how it
Speaker 1: turned out between Erica Kirk and Candace Owens. Candace Owens
Speaker 1: has raised Erica Kirk's ire and caused some controversy for
Speaker 1: sailing saying that Tyler Robinson did not kill Charlie Kirk
Speaker 1: that and pointing to the fact that she thinks it
Speaker 1: was an inside job by people at turning point USA
Speaker 1: that allowed this to happen or were complicit in Charlie's death,
Speaker 1: and she says she has sources, she has leaks. I
Speaker 1: saw the interview, the YouTube thing on Seeing Andrew, and
Speaker 1: you know, I've enjoyed Candace Owens in the past, but
Speaker 1: I saw this and she wasn't very convincing to me
Speaker 1: that she had real proof of this when the interviewer
Speaker 1: kept pressing her. I mean, any comments on that.
Speaker 9: Yeah, she's she's lost the plot.
Speaker 4: She's not one of us.
Speaker 9: She's an instrument of an evil at this point in destruction.
Speaker 9: And let me just say broadly before our narrow in
Speaker 9: on her, we had an opportunity here to really address
Speaker 9: and defeat the left because a radical wise leftist killed
Speaker 9: Charlie Kirk. Now you can ask questions about this and that,
Speaker 9: but the evidence is pretty clear that it was Tyler
Speaker 9: Robinson certainly. And the enemy that we face that we
Speaker 9: rallied to confront in the previous presidential election is we
Speaker 9: understand that the greatest threats of this country is the
Speaker 9: left and their violence and their ideology. And we spent
Speaker 9: the last three months because of people like Charlie, because
Speaker 9: of people like can So's not focusing on the issue
Speaker 9: we need to confront, talking about conspiracy theories and pulling
Speaker 9: the finger, even insinuating that Errika Kirk was involved in
Speaker 9: the assassination of her own husband. And Candice Own is
Speaker 9: somebody who turned Charlie Kirk's assassination into a stage for
Speaker 9: her to perform, and it's outrageous, and look the the
Speaker 9: the he her own comments prove that she's full of
Speaker 9: crap because she keeps changing the story. You know, she
Speaker 9: she points out some Egyptian planes presence coincidence, and that
Speaker 9: of course doesn't actually link to anything at all. And
Speaker 9: then it was you know, a trapdoor that the Jews
Speaker 9: did it. No, it was mac Ron and the French
Speaker 9: Foreign Legion that kills in. I mean, you're proving that
Speaker 9: you're full of crap by not following through with your
Speaker 9: your previous accusation with the receipts, and she keeps saying,
Speaker 9: I've got receipts, I've got this, and it never ends
Speaker 9: up going anywhere.
Speaker 4: And you know, her followers at this point are very
Speaker 4: much like leftists.
Speaker 9: And let me be clear too, Cannis Owens and these
Speaker 9: people are not looking for the truth.
Speaker 4: They're looking for conspiracy theories. There's a very big difference.
Speaker 9: And you know, they operate from the position that it
Speaker 9: couldn't have been the guy who actually killed Charlie Kirk,
Speaker 9: and so therefore any evidence that would prove far more
Speaker 9: than anything they're throwing out there that he is the killer,
Speaker 9: they dismissed because they don't believe he did it. It's
Speaker 9: kind of like brock Hussein Obama, our first Muslim president,
Speaker 9: you know, the Billy Graham of Islam, who every time
Speaker 9: you had a Jahadis attack, he would come out and
Speaker 9: defend Islam because he operated from this position that Islam
Speaker 9: was religion of peace and therefore Islam could have nothing
Speaker 9: to do with these murders. Well, these people were operating
Speaker 9: from a similar assumption. Well, it couldn't have been the killer.
Speaker 9: So therefore anything that would point to the killer, we're
Speaker 9: going to separate and say this isn't it. No, it's
Speaker 9: Egyptian planes and trap doors and Jews and the French
Speaker 9: Foreign Legion and it's a brigettunch he killed them, or.
Speaker 4: They're penis or whatever.
Speaker 7: You know.
Speaker 4: I mean, I just I can't do it.
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 1: Candice Owens used to see to me to be a
Speaker 1: pretty reasonable person. And I found her, like I said,
Speaker 1: entertaining an instructive in years past. I don't know what's
Speaker 1: happened to her other than this need to have people
Speaker 1: pay attention to her. Is she doing it for clicks
Speaker 1: for likes? Is is that what it is?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 9: I mean, look, she's obviously a narcissist. She turned Carl's
Speaker 9: assassination into a story about herself. And you know, I
Speaker 9: tiptok to people at turning Point and people around there,
Speaker 9: I mean Eric, I mean, you know cannas Ollens puts out,
Speaker 9: you know, text messages between her and Charlie from like
Speaker 9: twenty eighteen, you know, as if that's reflective of was
Speaker 9: reflective of her current relationship with the organization and Charlie.
Speaker 9: Charlie was a decent person that wasn't going to go
Speaker 9: and throw her under the bus in public. He took
Speaker 9: the higher ground, like Erica Kirk has until you know,
Speaker 9: Canus forced her to have to come out and say something.
Speaker 9: And you know, Canna keep playing the VICTI I she
Speaker 9: operates like she's a Marxist. That's that's that's the the
Speaker 9: strategy she uses. And she's always the victim of everything
Speaker 9: and not the bully. And I just you know, she
Speaker 9: she was exommunicating that group a long time ago. People
Speaker 9: were we were done with her years ago. I mean,
Speaker 9: she wasn't associated with TPUSA. She's over a daily wire
Speaker 9: and doing her thing, and so I mean she acts
Speaker 9: more like a spurned lover, like a jealous ex girlfriend.
Speaker 9: That's like trying to you know, come out and settle
Speaker 9: personal scores.
Speaker 1: You know, that's that's really really sad for Christ and Country.
Speaker 1: The Martyrdom of Charlie Kirk is Drew Allen's new book.
Speaker 1: I understand you've had some trouble getting it out there.
Speaker 1: For some reason, people bought the Brooke book and then
Speaker 1: Amazon suspended it.
Speaker 2: What is Amazon doing?
Speaker 9: Yeah, well, yeah, I mean I I can't speak with
Speaker 9: complete certainty except that I think there was a war
Speaker 9: that oh there were gonna be a bunch of Charlie
Speaker 9: kirkbooks come out that are AI generated and so on
Speaker 9: and so forth. And I mean I have a publisher,
Speaker 9: Eric Mataxas wrote the endorsement on the front of the cover.
Speaker 9: So I'm not smoking schmuck face, you know, I have
Speaker 9: a publisher, Post Tail Press, that actually did a couple
Speaker 9: of Charlie's books as well, and when they tried to
Speaker 9: upload the book to Amazon it got blocked.
Speaker 4: Then they got it through and people were buying it.
Speaker 9: It was really rising through the rankings, and then sometime,
Speaker 9: I guess on Saturday night or by Sunday morning, people
Speaker 9: are texting me saying, hey, we can't buy your book.
Speaker 9: Every time we go to buy it now it says,
Speaker 9: you know, we can't deliver to the address. So whatever's happened,
Speaker 9: my book has been throttled and sabotaged, and you know,
Speaker 9: the publisher's working to get it fixed. But it's really
Speaker 9: frustrating because you know, this is a book that I
Speaker 9: feel like it's very important because it refocuses and grounds
Speaker 9: our movement and Charlie's legacy frankly and moving forward again,
Speaker 9: and you know it's being.
Speaker 4: I've never had this happen before, Darren Jeff.
Speaker 9: I mean, it's just it's it's I mean, I get
Speaker 9: some of the concerns out there about people who are
Speaker 9: writing these AI books or whatever else.
Speaker 4: This is not that.
Speaker 9: And yet somehow, you know, my book can't be be purchased.
Speaker 4: I mean, they'll they'll get it fixed at some point,
Speaker 4: but you know, I don't. I don't.
Speaker 9: I don't really know what to do because I don't
Speaker 9: want to point fingers in the wrong place. I don't
Speaker 9: want to pull candas owns. Yeah, I am frustrated, but
Speaker 9: you know it's just it's tough man.
Speaker 2: Well it's important.
Speaker 1: And you addressed this earlier that the title is for
Speaker 1: Christ and country, Christ first and people. I mean, I
Speaker 1: don't think people until they started examining in the aftermath
Speaker 1: of Charlie's death, that that's what Charlie was about. Christ first,
Speaker 1: Country second, you know, and family probably wedged in between
Speaker 1: those two because they were so important and dear to him,
Speaker 1: and uh he was. You made you made the point
Speaker 1: that his speeches and his rallies for turning Point USA
Speaker 1: were more like sermons, and you know, then he would
Speaker 1: open the floor up for people to engage in, you know,
Speaker 1: a debate, a discussion about the things that he'd addressed
Speaker 1: in these sermons that he was giving around the country
Speaker 1: on college campuses.
Speaker 9: You speak to that, Yeah, yeah, I mean that's what
Speaker 9: made Charlie unique and different is that most people want
Speaker 9: you know, uh, friendly, you know, curated audiences.
Speaker 4: You know, they need a candy crally.
Speaker 9: Debate moderator to bail them out, like she bailed Obama
Speaker 9: out during that debate with mint Romney. And he he
Speaker 9: had so much conviction that was willing to go into
Speaker 9: hostile environments and talk because he he had a mastery
Speaker 9: of the truth and that's all he needed.
Speaker 4: He didn't need an army at his back.
Speaker 9: And you know, and that came from his faith, his
Speaker 9: Christian faith, and you know, his life and death totally
Speaker 9: transformed me. I mean, when people died in the past
Speaker 9: for a couple of days, maybe you know, I I
Speaker 9: thank God for the.
Speaker 4: Breath of my lungs. I'm a little bit more.
Speaker 9: Aware of the the you know, shortness, brevity of our
Speaker 9: time on this earth. But then I get back into
Speaker 9: the same old routine where it doesn't change. This changed
Speaker 9: me permanently, And I mean, I can't tell you how
Speaker 9: much I've been reading scripture and trying to deepen my
Speaker 9: faith and train like an athlete trains in the gym
Speaker 9: in terms of from an academic perspective of preparing for
Speaker 9: debates and mastering my own belief, so that I had
Speaker 9: that conviction that he had. I'm just I'm not afraid anymore,
Speaker 9: you know, which is such a weird thing to say
Speaker 9: because it was so shocking and it is scary to
Speaker 9: see what happened to a truth teller in this world
Speaker 9: that embraces life, eyes and hatred.
Speaker 4: And yet it's you know, to watch.
Speaker 9: Him basically fulfill what Christ promised us. You know, look,
Speaker 9: you're you're gonna be persecuted for following me. He took
Speaker 9: that all the way to the very end. And that's
Speaker 9: why also in the book, I say he was absolutely
Speaker 9: a martyr, and I think that millions of other people
Speaker 9: have been changed and you're not. There's not gonna be
Speaker 9: another Charlie Kirk ever again, just like there was never
Speaker 9: gonna be another Rush Limbaugh. All it's necessary, though, is
Speaker 9: for people like me and millions of others, thousands of
Speaker 9: others even to you know, pick up the.
Speaker 4: Baton and carry Carrie.
Speaker 9: You know, his race is finished, I guess you could
Speaker 9: say in ours is just beginning, and you know, we've
Speaker 9: got to step into the void, not to not to
Speaker 9: you know, I mean, like I said, he's irreplaceable, but
Speaker 9: we but we can, we can collectively still fight to
Speaker 9: continue that legacy and save the country.
Speaker 4: We just have to have that conviction that he had.
Speaker 1: Continue to uh attempt to get Drew's book for Christ
Speaker 1: and Country, The Martyrdom of Charlie Kirk. It should be available,
Speaker 1: hopefully by this week and this nonsense stops, and Drew,
Speaker 1: I have some suggested reading for you with what we
Speaker 1: just talked about.
Speaker 5: I'm ready.
Speaker 1: That is Ephesians chapter six, verses ten through twenty, about
Speaker 1: putting on the armor of God, because our struggle is not,
Speaker 1: as it says, against flesh and blood, but against the rulers,
Speaker 1: against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world,
Speaker 1: and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms. Therefore,
Speaker 1: put on the full armor of God, so that when
Speaker 1: the day of evil comes, you're able to stand your ground.
Speaker 1: And after you've done everything to stand firm, stand firm, then,
Speaker 1: with the belt of truth buckled around your waist, with
Speaker 1: a breastplate of righteousness in place, and with your feet
Speaker 1: fitted with the readiness that comes from the Gospel of peace.
Speaker 2: Amen.
Speaker 4: Amen. That's one of my favorite scriptures.
Speaker 9: And you know we don't live for man's applause.
Speaker 4: The only applause me to live for is our Lord
Speaker 4: and saviors.
Speaker 9: And if you can have that attitude like Charlie, did
Speaker 9: you know you are unstoppable in terms of you know,
Speaker 9: your journey on this earth.
Speaker 4: I mean, you know they can kill you. But look
Speaker 4: look what his murder did.
Speaker 2: I mean, I know it's amazing. Drew. Great luck with
Speaker 2: the book and we'll talk soon.
Speaker 4: Okay, friend, thanks brother, love you.
Speaker 5: You got it.
Speaker 2: Merry Christmas?
Speaker 1: Uh break and then back a lot more nightcap to come,
Speaker 1: tagging our scheduled guest Bill Convoys. So in lieu of that,
Speaker 1: a very interesting interview I did last year well a
Speaker 1: man named Shotgun Tom Kelly on American History on the radio.
Speaker 1: Here is part two of that convo with the shotgun.
Speaker 10: They lie in boothills all through the West, the outlaws,
Speaker 10: the guns, the bit of the kids, and wiss say,
Speaker 10: a fellow like the cow that shot Bill Hiccock in
Speaker 10: the back. There's always one like that and every time
Speaker 10: of history. Sure most of them were vomits, but every
Speaker 10: once in a while and one of them I may
Speaker 10: have lived a man.
Speaker 1: We talked about Lauren Green and Ringo in our first segment.
Speaker 1: We're talking with Shotgun Tom Kelly, who has the same
Speaker 1: kind of voice as Lauren Green did. My God, he's
Speaker 1: a Monster American History on the radio. Shotgun Tom is
Speaker 1: our guest for the rest of this hour, and we're back.
Speaker 1: I wanted to ask you, Tom about your dad because
Speaker 1: in Tom's new book, all I want to do is
Speaker 1: play the hits out now on Amazon and anywhere you
Speaker 1: buy books about his career. In his life, you talk
Speaker 1: a lot about your dad, who was a train engineer
Speaker 1: back in the day, and there's stories in the book
Speaker 1: like the one you're gonna kind of share with us.
Speaker 2: Now, tell me about your dad.
Speaker 7: Yeah, dad was a locomotive train engineer for the Santa
Speaker 7: Fe in San Diego. And I remember Dad came home
Speaker 7: and he said, this actor they had a film crew
Speaker 7: there and they wanted now this is later on in
Speaker 7: the in the late fifties, and this actor Dad had
Speaker 7: to get on his knees and bring the F seven,
Speaker 7: which is the war bonnet, the red war bonnet, a
Speaker 7: beautiful engine into San Diego. And so the film crew
Speaker 7: from the television station was filming that had this guy
Speaker 7: get off. He was portrayed as an engineer, so he
Speaker 7: got he was an actor. But he got off the
Speaker 7: F seven Santa Fe engine and walked into the depot
Speaker 7: and then they.
Speaker 5: Cut and turns out he was my favorite.
Speaker 7: Children's show host. His name was Johnny Downs. He used
Speaker 7: to be Johnny of Our Gang, and so for years
Speaker 7: as a kid, I used to watch him on the
Speaker 7: air and I used to say, Hey, my dad is
Speaker 7: Johnny Downs's engineer. He portrayed an engineer, see, so just
Speaker 7: like engineer Bill in LA. But yeah, my dad told
Speaker 7: me that story, and he told me another story. He
Speaker 7: got the nod to be the engineer on the presidential
Speaker 7: train to bring the President of the United States into
Speaker 7: San Diego, picked him up in Los Angeles, came to
Speaker 7: San Diego, and then my dad hates crowds. He looked
Speaker 7: out one side of the engine and there were thousands
Speaker 7: of people waiting to see hear the president and see him.
Speaker 7: He looked out the other side and there was nobody, Gary,
Speaker 7: nobody there.
Speaker 5: So this was.
Speaker 7: My dad's job, was done his This is his opportunity
Speaker 7: to get out of there. He grabbed his grip, he
Speaker 7: got off the engine and he was making his way
Speaker 7: to his car as fast as possible, and this guy
Speaker 7: stopped him. He said, I've been with these foes all day.
Speaker 7: You're the engineer, aren't you. And my dad said, yes,
Speaker 7: mister President, I am. It was Harry Truman. Wow in
Speaker 7: nineteen forty eight. Yeah, so, annyway, my dad walked about
Speaker 7: one hundred yards with Harry and then the Secret Service
Speaker 7: got ahold of him. He bitted my dad goodbye, and
Speaker 7: then he spoke to the people. But you know, my
Speaker 7: dad told that story and it was one of his favorites.
Speaker 7: And I said, I'd love to meet a president someday.
Speaker 7: So my congressman got me the job of doing the
Speaker 7: MC job for a president who came to San Diego.
Speaker 7: And I did, and so he says, I have an idea.
Speaker 7: Why don't you you know your trademark, ranger. You don't
Speaker 7: have a smokey the bear hat that I wear because
Speaker 7: I did children's television for seventeen years locally here in
Speaker 7: San Diego and on my syndicated show Words of Poppin
Speaker 7: was syndicated around the country and I won two Emmys
Speaker 7: for that show.
Speaker 5: But anyway, the hat is a.
Speaker 7: Traditional thing that I've had in my career, and so
Speaker 7: I wanted to meet a president. So anyway, Duncan Hunter,
Speaker 7: my congressman made it happen. I went to the White
Speaker 7: House and this is all in the book. It's a
Speaker 7: deeper story in the book. But anyway, we're waiting outside
Speaker 7: the Oval office. Gary White House staff member comes and
Speaker 7: to tell us. And by the way, that hallway outside
Speaker 7: the oval it's not that big anyway, he said, duncan, Shotgun,
Speaker 7: the president is better to see you. So we go
Speaker 7: in the Oval office. The President is behind the resolute desk.
Speaker 7: He gets up from the resolute desk and he walks
Speaker 7: over to the shell bookcase.
Speaker 5: Well, Gary, he knows my name.
Speaker 7: He said, well, Shotgun, I understand that you were the
Speaker 7: MC and kept the people entertained why they're waiting for
Speaker 7: me in San Diego. And I said, yes, mister President.
Speaker 5: I did. And I bring you my trademark ranger.
Speaker 7: Hat, and I hope you'll put it on. And he goes,
Speaker 7: well he put it on. It was President Ronald Reagan
Speaker 7: in the book.
Speaker 2: That's a great Reagan impression. You do that really? Well, oh, well,
Speaker 2: I had a little nay.
Speaker 5: Michael Reagan.
Speaker 7: Michael Reagan, his son is friend of mine. And when
Speaker 7: you get a copy, you get a stamp. It's not
Speaker 7: really the president's signature. But in the book, if you look, uh,
Speaker 7: in the book, all I want to do is play
Speaker 7: the hits available on Amazon and Barnesanoble dot com.
Speaker 5: Uh. If you go in.
Speaker 7: There, you will see uh the president's signature. Michael Reagan
Speaker 7: went to his dad and Santa Barbara and actually had
Speaker 7: him sign that's actually his signature and it's not a stamp.
Speaker 5: I value that.
Speaker 1: That's phenomenal because of your dad's involvement with trains, You've
Speaker 1: had a continuing lifelong love of trains.
Speaker 2: Haven't you.
Speaker 5: Tom Oh. Absolutely.
Speaker 7: But the problem is when I was a kid, I
Speaker 7: was I came home from the train store and I said, Dad,
Speaker 7: I'd like to have a train, said, and he goes
Speaker 7: nothing doing sun I worked sixteen hours a day.
Speaker 5: I don't want to see him when I come home. Yeah.
Speaker 7: So anyway, and so maybe now as an adult, I
Speaker 7: had somebody else build my train layout twenty five thousand
Speaker 7: dollars Lloyd's Layouts of Los Angeles.
Speaker 5: They do a marvelous job.
Speaker 7: And I've got a downtown area, residential area, I've got
Speaker 7: four industrial areas plus a yard and the hero in
Speaker 7: the downtown area. I've always wanted this because I've never
Speaker 7: seen another train layout with an AM FMTV station right
Speaker 7: downtown and I had a tower, yeah, tower for the
Speaker 7: big tower, you know, not the one like WLWS, which
Speaker 7: is a standing tower, but it's a tower on my layout,
Speaker 7: and yeah, I have lots of fun with it. And
Speaker 7: if any of your listeners are ever in San Diego,
Speaker 7: I'm going to run train every Wednesday from one to
Speaker 7: four and they can come out to the San Diego
Speaker 7: Model Railroad Museum very near the world famous San Diego
Speaker 7: Zoo and they could see me run trains and I
Speaker 7: get to visit with them on my show on Sirius
Speaker 7: XM sixties go Old Channel seventies, where I've mentioned that
Speaker 7: and I've had lots of people come out.
Speaker 5: It's amazing.
Speaker 2: I bet you have.
Speaker 1: What was your first radio job, Tom, very first.
Speaker 7: First radio Yeah, the very first one. I was sixteen
Speaker 7: years old. I was hanging around a radio station in
Speaker 7: the week and then the weekend guy was the program
Speaker 7: director of this FM station now Gary. As you know,
Speaker 7: FM back in nineteen sixty six was like a background
Speaker 7: music thing. AM was the big deal and if you
Speaker 7: want to really wanted to be on a big station,
Speaker 7: you had to be on an AM station like KCBQ,
Speaker 7: like KGB.
Speaker 5: Like wl W.
Speaker 7: You know. But I love those call letters man anyway,
Speaker 7: So I got a job at ANFM station on the
Speaker 7: weekends on Sunday because nobody wanted Nobody wants to work Sunday.
Speaker 7: So George Manning, who was working weekends at radio station KDO,
Speaker 7: where I made my little tapes for.
Speaker 5: My bootleg station. Anyway, he said, how would you like
Speaker 5: to do Sunday morning at KPRI.
Speaker 7: I said, I'd love that. So I was sixteen years
Speaker 7: old and I got my first job on the air
Speaker 7: Sunday morning playing jazz Frank Sinatra, Sergio Mendez and Brazil
Speaker 7: sixty six That's.
Speaker 5: How I remember.
Speaker 7: It was sixty six, and then of course we stopped
Speaker 7: down at eight o'clock. I did a children's radio show,
Speaker 7: which remember I've always wanted to be a children's show
Speaker 7: host sometime in my career, and I got that because
Speaker 7: I was I did Words of Poppin', which is a
Speaker 7: word game show for kids. Graw Hill own the show
Speaker 7: and that went for five years. And then I did
Speaker 7: the KUSI Kids Club with the cartoons and everything for
Speaker 7: about twelve years here in San Diego. So that was
Speaker 7: my first kid show on radio, and it was when
Speaker 7: I was sixteen.
Speaker 2: So what made you so interested in doing children's programming.
Speaker 7: Well, you've got to realize we all have heroes. Frank
Speaker 7: Thompson was my radio hero, and Johnny downs was my
Speaker 7: television hero because my dad was Johnny Downes's engineer on
Speaker 7: that show Oh Wow.
Speaker 5: And he was so good. He was so great.
Speaker 7: Johnny Downs was and I talk about him in the
Speaker 7: book because Johnny and I were both in for an
Speaker 7: audition for this Words of Poppin' show and I walk
Speaker 7: in and I said, Johnny, are you here to audition?
Speaker 7: He said, yes, I am. I said, well, listen, I'm
Speaker 7: going to get out of here. You're going to do
Speaker 7: Words of Pop and I'm going to watch every Saturday.
Speaker 7: He said, you have just as much right to audition
Speaker 7: as I do. So he gave me a cup of
Speaker 7: coffee out of his thermos, and he walked in did
Speaker 7: his audition, and he came back out and he says, Shotgun, congratulations.
Speaker 7: I hope you do your best. So I went in
Speaker 7: and did my audition for Words of Poppin' and then
Speaker 7: I left, and I knew.
Speaker 5: Johnny was going to get the job.
Speaker 7: I just knew it because he had the experience, and
Speaker 7: so I didn't hear from the people for like weeks.
Speaker 5: All of a sudden I got a phone call.
Speaker 7: From the producer, you got the job. I said, wait
Speaker 7: a minute, you got the wrong guy, Johnny Downs. You
Speaker 7: need to hire him. He said, no, you related more
Speaker 7: to the kids than Johnny did. And so I did
Speaker 7: that show for five years. And that story is also
Speaker 7: in the book.
Speaker 1: What a Feather in Your Cap To actually supersede your
Speaker 1: childhood television host hero and take a job, that's an
Speaker 1: incredible time.
Speaker 7: Well that's happened again because you know what when I
Speaker 7: got the job at Kate Earth one O one in
Speaker 7: Los Angeles. Uh, the real Don Steele we all remember there.
Speaker 5: The real Don.
Speaker 7: Steele's voice is used in the movie Once upon a
Speaker 7: Time in Hollywood.
Speaker 5: I'm Burial dold Field.
Speaker 7: Right, you know when when Brad Pitt gets in the
Speaker 7: car and he turns on the ignition, that's the ninety
Speaker 7: three k h J.
Speaker 5: I'm Burial dolds Field.
Speaker 7: There we go.
Speaker 3: You know that that's his voice.
Speaker 5: That's what.
Speaker 7: So anyway, when he passed away, and he was one
Speaker 7: of my radio heroes, I loved the real Don Steele
Speaker 7: and Wolfman Jack. I became friends with Wolfman Jack.
Speaker 5: But I only met the real Don Steele three.
Speaker 2: Howl yeah when he passed away, Go ahead, I'm sorry.
Speaker 7: Well, when he passed away, Frank, they had the memorial
Speaker 7: and Mike Phillips, the program director, was looking for somebody
Speaker 7: to succeed the real Don Steele. He told me this,
Speaker 7: He said, he closed the door of his office and
Speaker 7: he said a prayer, and he said, God, please help
Speaker 7: me find the right guy. And there was a whisper
Speaker 7: that came into his mind, shot Don domb and he
Speaker 7: called me and he hired me, and I was there
Speaker 7: for twenty years.
Speaker 2: That's amazing.
Speaker 1: Now, and you talk about what a couple of great
Speaker 1: radio legends to have, as you know, as friends and
Speaker 1: successors or whatever you succeed them, the real Don Steele
Speaker 1: and Wolfman Jack.
Speaker 2: What was Robert like in person?
Speaker 7: Robert was a good friend mine before I came to
Speaker 7: ca Earth. He was We used to watch sixty minutes,
Speaker 7: and we after the sixty minutes, we always used to,
Speaker 7: you know, talk about it after the show. I was
Speaker 7: so anyway, I guess I was out after sixty minutes
Speaker 7: one time and he called my house and my wife
Speaker 7: Linda entered the phone.
Speaker 5: She said hello, and he says, yeah, this is R. W.
Speaker 5: Margan a shotgun there.
Speaker 7: No he's not well tell him. Robert called and she said, okay, Bob.
Speaker 5: No, no, Bob lives here. He hated to be called Bob.
Speaker 5: It was always Robert W. Morgan.
Speaker 7: But anyway, No, he was a he was a good guy.
Speaker 7: He was he was firm, he was eccentric. H he
Speaker 7: but but to me he was a good guy. But
Speaker 7: some people aggravated him and and I guess he.
Speaker 5: Got a wreck.
Speaker 1: Well when I said Robert, I meant wolfman Jack as
Speaker 1: his real name was.
Speaker 2: First name was Robert Smith, Bob Smith.
Speaker 5: Yeah, oh yeah, but that's also in the book.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 7: By the way, my book has got happiness, but it's
Speaker 7: got ups and downs. Sure, there's some things in my
Speaker 7: life that happened that I'm not too proud of.
Speaker 5: And uh uh my house got raided by the police.
Speaker 5: That's in the book. Uh. And it was because I
Speaker 5: did these tonight shows.
Speaker 7: I built a tonight show, said way before Kramer and
Speaker 7: my garage and very professionally done, had a crew, and
Speaker 7: I had the Sheriff of San Diego County, the chief
Speaker 7: of police, and I played ed McMahon and so we
Speaker 7: did this show and it was a cult favorite of
Speaker 7: both departments.
Speaker 5: After seven years, there was some murders.
Speaker 7: That happened here in San Diego of prostitutes, and so
Speaker 7: they thought the police was going to, you know, defend
Speaker 7: their officers. They thought an officer killed this prostitute. So
Speaker 7: they took it away away from the local police department,
Speaker 7: and the state Attorney General formed a homicide task force.
Speaker 5: And they raided my house. Gary And in the front.
Speaker 7: Now I was doing the kids show over at KUSI
Speaker 7: at the end and the front. You know, I always
Speaker 7: wanted to be on the front page of the paper,
Speaker 7: above the fold. The headline was seven hundred and fifty
Speaker 7: tapes seized in murdered probe. Anyway, a lot of the
Speaker 7: reporters were coming out.
Speaker 5: And you know, yeah by the way, yeah yeah.
Speaker 7: Anyway, they Heisman Trophy winner Johnny Rogers said that he
Speaker 7: one of the dead prostitutes was on the.
Speaker 5: Show, and that was a lie.
Speaker 7: So that's why they rated the house.
Speaker 2: We got left.
Speaker 1: We have two minutes, Tom, right around two minutes, and
Speaker 1: I want to hear about the Hollywood the Star and
Speaker 1: the Hollywood Walk of Fame. Shotgun Tom Kelly has a star,
Speaker 1: and radio people don't don't get radio people don't get stars.
Speaker 7: No, they don't like giving them to radio people. But
Speaker 7: I had to wait for mine. But you know, Robert W.
Speaker 7: Morgan had a star, the real Don Steele had a star.
Speaker 7: So t Earth was really the radio station of the
Speaker 7: rock stars for disc jockeys. So anyway, I got rejected
Speaker 7: the first year, the second year, but then the third
Speaker 7: year I got my star, and I asked Stevie.
Speaker 5: Wonder to beat my speaker, and he was there.
Speaker 7: Along with Art Leveau and Johnny Mathis and my program director,
Speaker 7: Johnny Ka he was also a speaker, and thousands of people,
Speaker 7: I mean, maybe I shouldn't say thousands. Hundreds of people
Speaker 7: showed up, including radio's best friend Art Volo.
Speaker 1: He was there to patcha there there you go, two mentions.
Speaker 1: Art got two mentions. That's perfect. The book is all
Speaker 1: I want to do is play the hits, and he
Speaker 1: has been doing it successfully and supersedingly successfully now for
Speaker 1: decades and decades and decades. The one and only Shotgun
Speaker 1: Tom Kelly from Sirius XM's sixties gold our guest on
Speaker 1: American History on the radio, and Tom It's been such
Speaker 1: a pleasure and I know we could go on like
Speaker 1: this for hours, but unfortunately.
Speaker 5: Yeah we can't.
Speaker 2: That's the time with.
Speaker 7: Jarry, you are such a big time guy. I am
Speaker 7: just delighted to be on your show because you've had
Speaker 7: Pat Saint John, You've had flash Stelps, and now you've
Speaker 7: got me.
Speaker 5: Thank you, Sank, thank you, thank you.
Speaker 1: The shotgun On the nightcap, we continue of this nightcap
Speaker 1: from Monday, December fifteenth, twenty twenty five. Gary, Jeff and
Speaker 1: I got to tell you we got some sports for
Speaker 1: the out of sorts. And it was a terrible weekend
Speaker 1: for football fans like me and maybe like the wild Man.
Speaker 1: It was just not a great weekend of football in
Speaker 1: the NFL.
Speaker 2: Or the Heisman's or you know.
Speaker 1: The only bright light all weekend long to me, wild Man,
Speaker 1: was the fact that my dad's Navy beat the Army
Speaker 1: seventeen to sixteen. And even though they tried to lose
Speaker 1: that game. But my Lions, I mean, every one of
Speaker 1: the teams I root for let me down over the weekend.
Speaker 1: And I gotta tell you what, at this point in
Speaker 1: the evening, wild Man, I'm tired. I just want to
Speaker 1: finish the show and get out of here, like maybe
Speaker 1: Joe Burrowfield's about to being or maybe maybe the entire
Speaker 1: Bengals organization is just tired and they all just want
Speaker 1: to go home and forget that there's still games to play.
Speaker 1: A wild man your thoughts, am am, I just am
Speaker 1: I a weenie because I'm tired and I want to
Speaker 1: get out of here. And as Joe Burrow have we
Speaker 1: seen the last of the Joe Burrow era with the Bengals?
Speaker 11: Well, I think you're kind of Bengalized already. It's just
Speaker 11: the way I am talking.
Speaker 1: Well that I became Bengalized when I became a Kansas
Speaker 1: City Chiefs fan seven years ago.
Speaker 2: And even that didn't help me this weekend. It was
Speaker 2: a bad weekend.
Speaker 11: If you're you know, you're fans of what you're talking about,
Speaker 11: especially here in Bengals Nation.
Speaker 2: I mean that's yeah.
Speaker 11: We had the you know, the big snow, the big snow,
Speaker 11: and the Bengals organization knew it was coming and they
Speaker 11: weren't prepared for it. Fans had to uh wait outside
Speaker 11: forever to get into the stadium because they didn't have
Speaker 11: enough ticket takers or security personnel of them miss almost
Speaker 11: the first quarter. Then they get into the stadium and
Speaker 11: they have the seats are not cleared with snow, which
Speaker 11: is a violation of NFL rules. But according to the NFL,
Speaker 11: the Bengals.
Speaker 2: They cooperated. Well that you know, I'm not buying that.
Speaker 2: Well no, yeah, okay, hold on, Hold on a second.
Speaker 1: The NFL, the shield as it is, controls everything that
Speaker 1: these teams do, from how much players are paid, the
Speaker 1: salary caps to what I mean. They have very strict
Speaker 1: rules in this membership, this thirty two member club. And
Speaker 1: how can the Bengals get away with skirting the rules
Speaker 1: of not cleaning the stadium seats and railings. They're supposed
Speaker 1: to do that.
Speaker 11: Okay, Well, they came out and said the NFL came
Speaker 11: out and said that they they they kind of went
Speaker 11: by the policy, but they really did. Because there were
Speaker 11: so many seats that were just covered with snow. They
Speaker 11: would not allow fans in with cardboard. So the fans
Speaker 11: could put cardboard they could stand on, they keep their
Speaker 11: feet from freezing on the concrete. They confiscated the cardboard
Speaker 11: and it.
Speaker 2: Was just a mess. Car's a mess.
Speaker 11: And here's the thing, Gary, Jeff, they knew this snow
Speaker 11: was coming.
Speaker 2: Okay, they knew the snow was coming. This wouldn't happen
Speaker 2: in Green Bay.
Speaker 11: They had eleven hours to clean that stadium up, and
Speaker 11: they chose not to do it, not to take care
Speaker 11: of their season ticket holders. They had eleven hours. They
Speaker 11: could have got people from the jail to come down
Speaker 11: and clean, but they.
Speaker 2: Don't want to pay those people.
Speaker 11: They've got people to come in here and clean that stadium.
Speaker 5: They didn't get.
Speaker 2: People to do it well man.
Speaker 1: And in Buffalo they get the fans out there, and
Speaker 1: they'll pay fans to come and clear the stadium because
Speaker 1: they are exactly they have to deal with that all
Speaker 1: the time in Buffalo. I mean, and it's not like
Speaker 1: it never snows here, and it's not like it's never
Speaker 1: below zero here.
Speaker 2: I mean, this is not.
Speaker 1: The coldest ever Bengals game that's been played, as you
Speaker 1: well know, mister Freezer Bowl, mister Ice Bowl. But uh,
Speaker 1: you know, it's it is absolutely when I saw the
Speaker 1: posts on social media in the aftermath of that game
Speaker 1: and the little girl is trying to see over the
Speaker 1: snow on the railing. When it's it's an NFL rule
Speaker 1: the teams have to have to find a way to
Speaker 1: do that before games. And and the fact that the
Speaker 1: fact that they wouldn't let people with cardboard into stand
Speaker 1: on Well, we all know that cardboard can be used
Speaker 1: as a violent weapon as a as a legal weapon.
Speaker 1: So yeah, really really a big threat from cardboard coming
Speaker 1: into the stadium.
Speaker 2: What was that about this?
Speaker 11: Well, the stadium operations the completely botched it all by
Speaker 11: not having enough ticket takers and uh.
Speaker 2: Security personnel to get people in.
Speaker 11: Like I said, a lot of a lot of fans
Speaker 11: didn't get in until the end of the first quarter. Gary, Jeff,
Speaker 11: what the hell is with that? And then here's here's
Speaker 11: what really grubs my ass. You get the TV stations,
Speaker 11: all of them just kind of.
Speaker 2: Like brushing it off, brushing this off.
Speaker 11: If you're a season ticket holder, how many thousands of
Speaker 11: dollars that you're paying and you get treated like that,
Speaker 11: you know a lot I'm gonna say, enough is enough.
Speaker 11: And I know a lot of people right now. I'm
Speaker 11: telling you they're giving up their tickets. They've had enough,
Speaker 11: they've seen enough, they've had enough. You know, you don't
Speaker 11: treat people like that. I mean, it's just like, dude,
Speaker 11: does the Brown family really care about their fan base
Speaker 11: or their customers. It's obvious they don't. I mean we're
Speaker 11: seeing it. But yesterday, and then you get the product
Speaker 11: that we saw in the field yesterday. The fellas embarrassing.
Speaker 11: The fans couldn't get in until after the first quarter.
Speaker 11: The Bengals couldn't get into the end zone all game.
Speaker 11: It was the first time they've been shut out at
Speaker 11: home since when twenty seventeen or going back further than that,
Speaker 11: and I was against the Ravens. Yeah, it was just
Speaker 11: lackluster all the way around. And you talk about the
Speaker 11: fans being disgruntled with the organization. How disgreuntled do you
Speaker 11: think Joe Burrow really is with the Bengals organization? After
Speaker 11: the press conference on his birthday and then he had
Speaker 11: to backtrack, and then yesterday, I mean he just he
Speaker 11: looks he looks shell shocked. Oh, I think he's I
Speaker 11: think he's disappointed. I mean, he he manned up and
Speaker 11: said the game when you know it, I don't think
Speaker 11: any team could have won a game with him at
Speaker 11: quarterback yesterday, which.
Speaker 2: He's a stand up guy. He loves playing football.
Speaker 11: You know, I'm not gonna Joe Burrow is not going anywhere,
Speaker 11: and again he's talking heads on natural television. They have
Speaker 11: no clue what's going on here in Cincinnati. You know,
Speaker 11: Joe Burrow is a loyal guy, and I'm sure behind
Speaker 11: the scenes because he's not gonna come out and publicis
Speaker 11: say that the Bengals need to do this and need
Speaker 11: to do that, but you can bet that his voice
Speaker 11: is going to be heard, and he's just frustrated. We're
Speaker 11: all frustrated, well, you know, from the ticket as to
Speaker 11: the security.
Speaker 2: People, to maybe Mike Brown.
Speaker 11: I guess he's frustrat but we're all frustrated over the season.
Speaker 11: And injuries, of course played a part of this. I mean,
Speaker 11: Trey Henson. They would not spend a ton of money.
Speaker 11: The guy played four games.
Speaker 1: Yeah, not a good result, not a good return on
Speaker 1: your investment.
Speaker 7: Uh.
Speaker 1: Here's the thing, too, is that Joe Burrow just wants
Speaker 1: to win and the Bengals have not allowed him the
Speaker 1: proper tools with which to compliment his talent. I mean
Speaker 1: they've they've done things like signing and taking care of
Speaker 1: Jamar Chase and t Higgins and Trey Hendrickson. When he
Speaker 1: asked that, But my friend mo Egger on Saturday morning
Speaker 1: made the point, and I believe he's correct here, is
Speaker 1: that Joe Burrow does not do anything anything without intention,
Speaker 1: and that that press conference that he gave back on
Speaker 1: his birthday that sparked all these questions of Joe Burrow
Speaker 1: leaving Cincinnati, Joe Burrow did that intentionally to send a message.
Speaker 1: So the message has been sent to the organization. Will
Speaker 1: they listen and can they do anything about that message?
Speaker 1: That's the question right now, wild Man, how to get
Speaker 1: is yeah, are you? Are you talking to me on
Speaker 1: an Obama phone?
Speaker 2: Wild Man? All right?
Speaker 1: So I was making the point that on my show
Speaker 1: Saturday morning, Moe Egger made the point that Joe Burrow,
Speaker 1: in his estimation, doesn't do anything unintentionally, and that whole
Speaker 1: tone and timbre of that press conference and the things
Speaker 1: that Joe Burrow imparted last week was had an intention
Speaker 1: of sending a message to the Bengals organization. And my
Speaker 1: question you is do you think they'll receive that message
Speaker 1: loud and clear going forward?
Speaker 2: Well, they'd be crazy not to. You know, pay attention
Speaker 2: on Joe's.
Speaker 11: Saying because he is the faith of the franchise that
Speaker 11: he's guaranteed I think two hundred and nine million dollars
Speaker 11: still on his contract. I mean, as the as Joe
Speaker 11: Burrow goes, the Bengals go.
Speaker 5: You need what Joe.
Speaker 11: When you see how Joe acts in the press conferences,
Speaker 11: he doesn't ever really he pauses before he says something.
Speaker 11: You know, he thinks stuff out because he's not gonna
Speaker 11: get you know, backed into a corner some stuff that
Speaker 11: he says no. And I hope that and I hope
Speaker 11: that when the season ends and then Joe sits down
Speaker 11: with the front office, that they listen to him. Not
Speaker 11: that he has every answer, but there are changes that
Speaker 11: have to be made, and one of them one of them.
Speaker 2: Gary, Jeff, I'm just gonna put it to you this way.
Speaker 11: Marvin Lewis, you know, straighten out this Bengals franchise got
Speaker 11: him to the playoffs, but his last three years they
Speaker 11: didn't make the playoffs. Zach Taylor came in here, but
Speaker 11: a new culture in the locker room, got rid of
Speaker 11: the knuckleheads. They won, they made the playoffs, but the
Speaker 11: last three years they have not made the playoffs. And
Speaker 11: what happened with Marvin Lewis he got fired, what happened
Speaker 11: with Zach Taylor?
Speaker 12: Something's got a change. Bye by something's got a change,
Speaker 12: something has to change. Bye bye bye bye bye bye.
Speaker 12: Uh it wasn't lost on me. And I sent this
Speaker 12: to a couple of people. Maybe I sent it to you. Uh,
Speaker 12: the irony wasn't lost on me. That yesterday, on the sideline,
Speaker 12: as the Bengals are getting thoroughly thumped by Baltimore, Zach
Speaker 12: Taylor is wearing a sweatshirt that says, yeah, inspired change. Well,
Speaker 12: you know what, I think a lot of people are inspired,
Speaker 12: inspired to change at the Bengals head coaching position, Zach,
Speaker 12: what a weird T shirt or sweatshirt for you to
Speaker 12: wear that says inspired change? When you're inspiring change every
Speaker 12: game this year with your coaching And.
Speaker 11: I think the change might have I might have the
Speaker 11: ax might have fell with this so called shirt shirt
Speaker 11: inspired change?
Speaker 4: On what was it? Fourth and four?
Speaker 11: And they decided to throw a long pass to try
Speaker 11: to get the ball in between two defenders to josekeep
Speaker 11: throwing the ball deep?
Speaker 2: Is but there's only fourth and four? Is that the
Speaker 2: best play you've got in your back pocket? Come on, man,
Speaker 2: you know I have no idea.
Speaker 5: You know what.
Speaker 1: Bengals fans are not only alone in their suffering and
Speaker 1: playing Monday morning quarterback and kind of ruing what happened
Speaker 1: over the weekend. I as a Kansas City Chiefs fan,
Speaker 1: uh am really really concerned about another quarterback, Patrick Mahomes,
Speaker 1: who was injured at the end of yesterday's loss.
Speaker 2: The Chiefs, the chief when he went down.
Speaker 1: The Chiefs being drummed out of the playoffs for the
Speaker 1: first time. Guys, this is the first time in what
Speaker 1: six years that they won't be in the AFC Championship Game.
Speaker 2: Five or six years and like eleven years that haven't
Speaker 2: been in the playoffs.
Speaker 1: Right exactly. So it is a sad day for Chiefs
Speaker 1: fans like me as well as for Bengal fans like you,
Speaker 1: and also my Detroit Lions. What has happened to the
Speaker 1: Lions here? I mean, they've had a lot of injuries.
Speaker 1: I know that. Have you been following that at all
Speaker 1: here and there?
Speaker 11: But they had long injuries last year, especially towards the
Speaker 11: end of the season, and that caught up to him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what kept him out of the Super Bowl
Speaker 1: last year, and they may keep him out of the
Speaker 1: playoffs this year. It's not a lock that Detroit's gonna
Speaker 1: make it with that, with that NFC North the way
Speaker 1: it is and the Bears. Are you surprised with that Bears?
Speaker 1: Are you surprised about the Bears resurgence under Ben Johnson?
Speaker 11: I've been shocked about the Bears. Nobody saw this, Yeah,
Speaker 11: nobody saw this. They just continue to, you know, get
Speaker 11: the job done.
Speaker 2: Quietly, they really do.
Speaker 1: And and green Bay, I mean, you know Green Bay
Speaker 1: and Matt Lafleur and Jordan Love. I just yesterday was
Speaker 1: just a weird day in the NFL. For me, it
Speaker 1: really was. And it's not like, not like I'm I'm
Speaker 1: a fan of the Cowboys, because I'm probably the farthest
Speaker 1: thing away from a fan of the Cowboys, but I've.
Speaker 2: Never been a fan of the Cowboys.
Speaker 11: On time the Cowboys lose, it's a great day, and
Speaker 11: it was great last night watching them lose.
Speaker 1: But it was just, don't you agree, it was just
Speaker 1: a weird weekend in the NFL. There were some results.
Speaker 1: There were some results that really kind of left me
Speaker 1: scratching my head, going what's going on here? And let's
Speaker 1: turn our attention for a few minutes to the Heisman
Speaker 1: Award presentation. Neither one of us surprised at Fernando Mendoza
Speaker 1: wound up walking away with the trophy. My man, Diego
Speaker 1: Pavia came in second in the voting, and you know,
Speaker 1: I was kind of hoping against hope that somehow he
Speaker 1: might rise above Mendoza and his Indiana Hoosiers. But Indiana's,
Speaker 1: you know, the number one seed going into the college
Speaker 1: football playoff and Mendoza has been a key part of that.
Speaker 1: But if not for Diego Pavia, Vanderbilt doesn't win ten games,
Speaker 1: they may not win enough games to be Bowl eligible.
Speaker 1: Without Diego Pavia, he certainly carried that team on his back.
Speaker 1: I've talked to a lot of Vanderbilt people who say,
Speaker 1: not only was he one of the best quarterbacks in
Speaker 1: the country, he was the reason that Vanderbilt won ten wins.
Speaker 1: I mean, you talk about a guy carrying a team
Speaker 1: on his back. That was Diego Pavia, and to me,
Speaker 1: that is emblematic of what it takes to be a
Speaker 1: Heisman Trophy winner.
Speaker 11: Your thoughts on that, well, there's no doubt in my
Speaker 11: mind that Fernando Mendoza was the logical choice, the number
Speaker 11: one in the country, undefeated.
Speaker 8: Guy.
Speaker 11: The guy's a winner. I mean the guy as a winner.
Speaker 11: You look at this up bringing too. Have you saw
Speaker 11: his speech? It was like, you know, it was it
Speaker 11: was a great, great, great speech.
Speaker 2: No, I think I think he's I think he's awesome. Okay,
Speaker 2: go ahead, and he's well deserved.
Speaker 11: And then Diego Pavia, I mean the numbers he put up,
Speaker 11: what he did at Vanderbilt, because they're not known to
Speaker 11: be a football power. Either's Indiana, but the Vanderbilt's kind
Speaker 11: of like always been down on the lower and down
Speaker 11: on the totem pole. But the Diego Pavia, I mean,
Speaker 11: he'll use this to to be, you know, to be
Speaker 11: a better quarterback in the National Football League. The thing
Speaker 11: about Diego Pavia, you know, and he finished second whatever
Speaker 11: that's for.
Speaker 2: But he got a case of the gouabat it.
Speaker 11: And he should have kept his mouth shut because that
Speaker 11: that that, you know, that's just kind of like, well,
Speaker 11: you're a sore loser if you're gonna be complaining about that.
Speaker 2: I didn't he didn't come back down that apologized. I didn't.
Speaker 2: I didn't see I didn't see what he said. What
Speaker 2: did he say? Initially? I can't really explain.
Speaker 11: I I just there wasn't it wasn't pretty and he
Speaker 11: dropped I think an m bomb uh about the voters.
Speaker 11: So it wasn't it wasn't pretty. But he after twenty
Speaker 11: four hours and he issued an apology and said, I,
Speaker 11: you know, I overstepped my bath. I shouldn't you know,
Speaker 11: I should have realized you know that I should have
Speaker 11: done this, and you know, like accept my apology.
Speaker 2: I accept as apology, he manned up. Okay, that's all
Speaker 2: you can ask for, right right.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, once you start getting the backlash, you
Speaker 1: either you either double down or you you take it back,
Speaker 1: and you you know, you choose that which hill you
Speaker 1: want to die on there?
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 2: I don't know about.
Speaker 1: Diego Pobby at the next level because he's so short,
Speaker 1: wild man. I talked to my friend Scott Droud, who
Speaker 1: of course famously played basketball at Vanderbilt and was a
Speaker 1: great player there and has been to about uh went
Speaker 1: to about five home games this year because he's got
Speaker 1: a nephew that's a second string kicker on the Vandy squad.
Speaker 1: So he went to about five home games and he
Speaker 1: said he's been right next to Diego Pabby and Scott's
Speaker 1: he's like maybe six one two. He said, Paby is
Speaker 1: no more than five to nine, even though they list
Speaker 1: him at six feet.
Speaker 11: Well, then he goes to the Canadian Football League where
Speaker 11: you can make up make a living and prove what he
Speaker 11: can play in that way playing it at that level
Speaker 11: aka Doug Flute.
Speaker 2: He could do that.
Speaker 1: I think he's a good enough football player. He could
Speaker 1: play almost any position in the NFL outside of alignment
Speaker 1: or quarterback, and you know what, he'd be great. He
Speaker 1: would be great to have as a special teams player
Speaker 1: a running back because he can run.
Speaker 2: He can roll right through people. He proved that.
Speaker 1: And you have a ready made second string quarterback ready
Speaker 1: to go in case your starter goes down. So any
Speaker 1: number of NFL teams might like to have a Diego
Speaker 1: Pavia on the ross.
Speaker 11: Unlike the Kansas City Chiefs who ran out there, yeah yesterday, Minshew,
Speaker 11: Oh my god, Gardner, Minshew.
Speaker 2: That's the best they can find. Well, it was the best.
Speaker 2: It was the best mustache they could find. I'll give
Speaker 2: you that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, all right, wild I think we've covered all
Speaker 1: the bases. So Joe Burrow isn't going anywhere. Joe Burrow
Speaker 1: was not going any Zaza is Zach Taylor packing up
Speaker 1: the moving van.
Speaker 2: The season.
Speaker 11: I would say, I would say, he means he probably
Speaker 11: needs to call two men in a truck and see
Speaker 11: how much it's gonna cost. Maybe maybe maybe to move because.
Speaker 2: Something's gonna happen here.
Speaker 11: I know something's There's got to be some change, not
Speaker 11: only with the personnel but in the front office because
Speaker 11: Zach Taylor is not cutting it and the fan and
Speaker 11: the fans don't like it either. Yeah, well like and
Speaker 11: don't ask me who I you know who I want
Speaker 11: this head coach?
Speaker 2: I wrote?
Speaker 11: I mean I think about I'm thinking, well, they're going
Speaker 11: to make a change. Do we bring in an established
Speaker 11: coach or they're bringing a guy who's never head coach?
Speaker 7: Well?
Speaker 2: Ever, hed gone down that road? Yeah, every gone down
Speaker 2: down road with Zach Taylor.
Speaker 11: So are you bringing a guy that's been a previous
Speaker 11: head coach like Mike McCarthy? Maybe maybe bringing John Maybe.
Speaker 1: Maybe the Bengals will follow the advice on Zach Taylor's
Speaker 1: sweatshirt on the sidelines yesterday.
Speaker 2: And inspire change. Inspire change?
Speaker 11: How many people and went out and bought those shirts?
Speaker 2: Wild man? Uh see in church? Merry Christmas? Talk to
Speaker 2: you start without me if I'm not.
Speaker 1: There, Okay, you bet we'll be going for a long
Speaker 1: time without wild Man there, I'm afraid. Merry Christmas to you,
Speaker 1: thanks for putting up with his on the nightcap. And
Speaker 1: now we end tonight's show as we do all of
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