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Speaker 1: Wow, a brand new Nightcap on this Monday evening, December fifteenth,

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty five, counting down the days till Christmas, and

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Speaker 1: I can't get here soon enough for me. I don't

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Speaker 1: know about you, Gary, Jeff Walker. Welcome to the Nightcap.

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Speaker 1: And there are so many really, really awful stories floating

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Speaker 1: including the apparent murder of Rob Reiner and his wife

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Speaker 1: little bit about that. The death of two American servicemen

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Speaker 1: Forces but apparently was not on our side. And President

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Speaker 1: both of those American servicemen and the interpreter that they

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Speaker 1: will be held accountable to this whatever that means. We

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Speaker 1: still have a situation in Venezuela. Then, of course, we

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Speaker 1: had the shooting at Bandai Beach in Australia. Two people

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Speaker 1: attacked and killed fifteen people during a Honikah celebration at

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Speaker 1: a place called Bandai Beach. We will discuss that in

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Speaker 1: the aftermath of that, and the anti Semitic hate that

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Speaker 1: and in our country. Our FBI is assisting Australian authorities

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Speaker 1: in their investigation. And then, of course the shooting at

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Speaker 1: as of earlier today not captured. Well, the news is bleak.

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Speaker 1: The good news is that the arrival of a savior

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Speaker 1: and the celebration thereof arrives in just ten days. And

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Speaker 1: of Baby Jesus God with us. Oh Come Emmanuel. Up next,

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Speaker 1: we'll talk to Dan was about the shooting specifically in

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Speaker 1: Australia and even this is even though this is a

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Speaker 1: country that for a long time has told their citizens

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Speaker 1: they cannot be armed, How did this happen? We'll address

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Speaker 1: it next with my favorite second amm guy. Dan was

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Speaker 1: the author of the Good Gun, Bad Guy series of books.

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Speaker 1: It's the Nightcap and we'll continue in just moments on

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Speaker 1: seven hundred ar ulw.

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Speaker 2: Our old friend.

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Speaker 1: Dan was of the Good Gun, Bad Guy series of books, fame,

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Speaker 1: and a man who was all over everywhere in social

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Speaker 1: media and you can find a loaded mic on YouTube.

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Speaker 1: Be careful how you spell Mike, by the way, and

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Speaker 1: if you want to know anything about your Second Amendment

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Speaker 1: rights and living in a truly free country where liberty

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Speaker 1: is king and not the government, this is a guy

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Speaker 1: you want to talk to. And I thought, in the

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Speaker 1: wake of the awful tragedy this weekend. Hanikah began in

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Speaker 1: Australia with the deaths of fifteen innocence strictly for being Jewish,

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Speaker 1: and it was committed by a father and son who

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Speaker 1: had licensed firearms in Australia. It is quite the process

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Speaker 1: to be a licensed gun owner in Australia to run

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Speaker 1: down some of those really conian laws that are about

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Speaker 1: people control more than gun control. And there have been

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Speaker 1: an effect in Australia going all the way back to

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Speaker 1: without major restrictions. Dan was once again is the man

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Speaker 1: with the plan. Dan Good Evening, and this is an

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Speaker 1: unspeakable tragedy number one caused by almost everyone's account by

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Speaker 1: anti Semitism that has been allowed to run rampant in

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Speaker 1: the land down Under. But good evening anyway, and let's

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Speaker 3: Hey, Gary, Jeff, Yeah, thanks for having me on the show.

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Speaker 3: As always, You're right, man, this is a real This

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Speaker 3: is a common of not only anti Semitism, but dangerous

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Speaker 3: gun laws the Australian government. You mentioned the nineteen ninety

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Speaker 3: six you know gun law. That's a law called the

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Speaker 3: National Firearms Agreement in Australia, and it is so restrictive

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Speaker 3: it puts the Australian people in such danger and makes

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Speaker 3: them so vulnerable that you know, I believe that Australian

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Speaker 3: I also believe that our American government should be held

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Speaker 3: accountable when people get injured or killed in a gun

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Speaker 1: Sure, Well, one of the things that's most striking about

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Speaker 1: it to me, Dan, is that you have to provide

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Speaker 3: Right well, that that was one of the things I

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Speaker 4: Is this not.

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Speaker 3: Obvious to everybody that the Australian government disarmed their people

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Speaker 3: and put them in this situation and specifically said if

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Speaker 3: you want players for defense, you can't. I don't know

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Speaker 3: what else you have to do to make it blatantly

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I would agree with you wholeheartedly.

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Speaker 1: And of course their knee jerk reaction to this as

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Speaker 2: Laws, which just as well.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's it's exacerbating the insanity that's already

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Speaker 1: by the way, if you'll remember, during COVID Man they

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Speaker 1: they really are an authoritarian kind of place to be

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Speaker 3: It's so you know, it's so infuriating when you when

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Speaker 3: you when you say that, I can't And maybe it's

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Speaker 3: As much as the political left tries to destroy our freedom, Uh,

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Speaker 3: it's still in our DNA. I mean, it's part of

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Speaker 3: who we are as Americans. The Australians, well, they don't

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Speaker 3: have a constitution like we do, so that you know,

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Speaker 3: they've been able to condition the people, I think a

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Speaker 1: You said, you said something very very important to this conversation, Dan,

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Speaker 1: you said, freedom is in our DNA in this country.

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Speaker 2: And if you think about.

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Speaker 1: It, historically Australia was a prison colony and in some

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's amazing because it's hard for us to

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Speaker 3: Are you really?

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Speaker 5: Just are you?

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Speaker 3: Are you stupid? Because you're watching people get killed knowing

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Speaker 3: that they're getting killed because they've been disarmed, and then

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Speaker 2: I don't know, Gary, Jeff.

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Speaker 3: It's just sometimes it's astonishing to me. Maybe my brain

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Speaker 3: I try to put myself in their mindset, but it

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Speaker 1: It sure smells like that, Dan in Australia and other places,

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Speaker 1: in certain places in this country right now, depending on

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Speaker 1: they've won a victory for their God given rights enshrined

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Speaker 1: in the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. Kathy Hochel

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Speaker 1: and you and I have talked about that many times,

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Speaker 1: Can you imagine if some of the celebrants on Bondai Beach,

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Speaker 1: which isn't a reason you can have a gun in Australia,

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Speaker 1: that this might have been quelled and a lot less

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Speaker 2: You know, we got to give.

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Speaker 1: A high five and prayers for quick recovery to the

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Speaker 1: you know, the guy, the good Samaritan that attacked one

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, you know, absolutely know, Like like here in America,

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Speaker 3: you don't know who's got a who's got a handgun

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Speaker 3: So uh, anywhere for that matter, without a gun, you know,

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Speaker 3: and and so. But in Australia you can, you can

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Speaker 3: plan on everybody being unarmed and helpless, not only Australia,

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Speaker 3: other countries too, of course, but in this particular case.

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Speaker 3: So it's just absolutely shameful. I hate the fact that

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Speaker 3: right now, doesn't rise up and and and revolt against this.

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Speaker 3: But it's really I guess we'll wait to see what happens.

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Speaker 3: Are they going to revolt or are they gonna implement

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Speaker 5: You know?

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Speaker 1: Well, this is the other question, Dan, how did with

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Speaker 1: all of these very strict licensing and gun restrictions in Australia.

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Speaker 1: Apparently the two gentlemen I called him gentlemen, the two

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Speaker 1: murderers were carrying around licensed weapons. There's a minimum twenty

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Speaker 1: of his firearms on his location. He was on some farm,

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Speaker 1: and so if anybody had attacked him at his home,

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Speaker 1: he would have been totally defenseless, even though he had

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Speaker 1: almost an arsenal out in his barn that was completely

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Speaker 1: locked with the ammunition out of the guns. That's not

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Speaker 1: exactly a recipe for being able to protect yourself against

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Speaker 3: But yeah, responsible as a man, it's not responsible, uh,

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Speaker 3: to put yourself in that position and not be able to.

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Speaker 1: Protect your face, Yeah, and your family exactly. So when

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Speaker 1: people ask for longer waiting periods before you can get

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Speaker 2: That's not that's not good.

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Speaker 1: For the the uh, the betterment of society is it?

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Speaker 3: Know, all you're doing is you're you're putting people in

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Speaker 3: further danger. The right stories of people who had to wait.

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Speaker 5: There was a.

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Speaker 3: Carol, her name was in New Jersey. She had to

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Speaker 3: wait extended period of time. They extended it over the

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Speaker 3: thirty or ninety days, whatever it was. I think it

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Speaker 3: she was trying to get her handgun. She still hadn't

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Speaker 3: got her handgun at forty five days later, and that's

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Speaker 2: Huh.

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Speaker 3: So the New Jersey government made her vulnerable, made her defenseless,

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Speaker 1: Do it, no doubt. It was a sad weekend. Like

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Speaker 5: Yep.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, Dan was Goodgunbadguy dot com if you'd like to

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Speaker 2: Initially, Dan was, thank.

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Speaker 3: You so much, Thanks so much, Pal, I really appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: Dan, all right, Doctor Carol Lieberman coming up after the

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Speaker 2: To the show. How are you?

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Speaker 2: I wonder.

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Speaker 1: How somebody like Chuck Schumer, who is the highest ranking

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Speaker 6: Yes, absolutely. The government in Australia has not been very

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Speaker 6: So it's not going to work now. But as far

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Speaker 4: Well, a lot of a lot unless we do something.

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Speaker 1: A lot of it is happening in this country because

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Speaker 6: It's like gays for Gaza. When Yahu was here and

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Speaker 1: It's like signing your own death warrant, basically, right, Oh

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Speaker 1: so what is What do you think is the answer then,

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Speaker 6: Kids don't learn the true history. They don't learn the

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Speaker 6: with terrorism and all that, and then just come back

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Speaker 6: from Israel, by the way, I was there volunteering helping

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Speaker 6: people cope with the trauma from October seventh. So when

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Speaker 6: I was first decided I'm going to do this, I

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Speaker 6: had to educate myself about terrorism. I really didn't know

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Speaker 6: very much, and so I went to conferences and read

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Speaker 6: books and all kinds of things. And at these conferences,

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Speaker 6: people who were experts on terrorism talked about how terrorism

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Speaker 6: terrorists were going to be taking over America, but not

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Speaker 6: necessarily just by nine to eleven attacks or similar kinds

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Speaker 6: of attacks, but by infiltrating themselves in the education system,

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Speaker 6: in politics, and in the media. And that is exactly

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Speaker 6: what happened. And they knew this, you know, twenty four

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Speaker 6: years ago. So and yet not enough has been done

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Speaker 6: to stop it.

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Speaker 1: Well, you talked about revamping our educational systems, so the

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Speaker 1: next generation is taught about terrorism, about freedom and history

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Speaker 1: in general.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 1: It's another situation where we've taken the Bible and God

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Speaker 1: out of our public life, in public schools, you know,

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Speaker 1: and they could read their Bible and learn about the

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Speaker 1: history of Israel, you know what, they could understand that

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Speaker 1: this isn't like a problem from the last fifty sixty years,

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Speaker 1: that this.

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Speaker 2: Has been going on for this has been going on.

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Speaker 1: For thousands of years. That Israel is the promised land

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Speaker 1: given to the Jews by God as their home. I mean,

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Speaker 1: if you look at the real history of that region,

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Speaker 1: it belongs to the Jews. I guess that makes you

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Speaker 1: It makes me a Zionist. But okay, oh well I'm

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Speaker 1: a Zionist then because Israel is for Jews, yes, and

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Speaker 1: not people that want to kill them.

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Speaker 6: Yes. I mean you have to go back. If you

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Speaker 6: go back and back and back, you know, then you

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Speaker 6: realize that this there never was a Palestine for one,

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Speaker 6: so you know, yes, this is and what's ironic about

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Speaker 6: the Fundai attack is the man who was the hero.

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Speaker 6: You know, I have the gun from one of the gunmen.

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Speaker 6: He was from Syria and conica all about how the

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Speaker 6: Syrians attacked the temple, destroyed the temple, and and how

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Speaker 6: there was a little bit of oil left and they

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Speaker 6: tried they lit a candle with it, and so they

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Speaker 6: thought it would last for just one day, and it

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Speaker 6: turned out to last for eight days. And so about

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Speaker 6: the eight nights of Honkah, the miracle, a miracle happened.

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Speaker 6: Here is what is the saying for the.

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Speaker 1: Miracle of light. And by the way, happy hanaka doctor Carol.

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Speaker 6: I didn't get a chance, thank you, thank you. Yes.

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Speaker 6: So so look at the irony like a nice thing,

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Speaker 6: you know, a positive thing. Okay, they destroyed the temple

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Speaker 6: many years ago, but Assyrians, you know, stop this attack.

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Speaker 6: That's really irony and it's really lovely.

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Speaker 2: It is that the bravery of that man.

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Speaker 1: I'm watching that video and just like look like some

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Speaker 1: kind of an action movie or something. But I mean, yes,

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Speaker 1: that that guy's a hero for sure, and he paid

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Speaker 1: for it with an injury. But it looks like he's

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Speaker 1: going to be getting out of the hospital and fine

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Speaker 1: shape when it's all said and done. So Australia, of course,

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Speaker 1: isn't blaming anti semitism. I was just on the phone

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Speaker 1: with my friend Dan was author of Gun Goodgunbadguy dot com. Uh,

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Speaker 1: they're planning, they're planning on more restrictive gun laws because

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Speaker 1: this father and son terrorist team had licensed guns in Australia,

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Speaker 1: which is almost impossible to get a licensed permit in

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Speaker 1: Australia to have a gun, and so they're the Australian

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Speaker 1: government's answer isn't to attack anti semitism. It's for stricter

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Speaker 1: gun laws. That's how backward these people are.

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Speaker 6: Absolutely, of course that's what they do here when yeah,

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Speaker 6: there's a school shooting. Oh we have to make stricter

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Speaker 6: gun laws. Yes, not address the problem, you know, because

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Speaker 6: in some ways the well, for a number of reasons.

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Speaker 6: One because there are people who want to do that anyway,

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Speaker 6: which is so dangerous because you could get someone in

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Speaker 6: it as the president who doesn't have well like we

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Speaker 6: had Biden and like we had Obama who didn't really

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Speaker 6: have American's best interests at heart. So we do need

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Speaker 6: to be able to have guns. But you have to

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Speaker 6: go deeper than that. You know, you have to look

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Speaker 6: at well for the kids. You have to look at kids'

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Speaker 6: mental health and how to help them, and certainly for

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Speaker 6: anti Semitism, you have to work on changing that. You know,

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Speaker 6: there are so many, so many inventions, technical inventions in particular,

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Speaker 6: but all kinds of things that Israelis have done. You know,

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Speaker 6: people would be shocked, like their telephones would be taken

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Speaker 6: away in your cell phones and all that and lots

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Speaker 6: of other technical things that they rely on. You know,

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Speaker 6: if if there hadn't been.

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Speaker 1: Israel, doctor Kara Lieherman, America's psychiatrists, the terrorist therapist.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much for your.

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Speaker 1: Time, and we can pray for peace and better days,

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Speaker 1: but we can't ignore the problem.

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Speaker 2: And I think that's absolu.

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Speaker 1: All right, Thank you so much, thank you, and I

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Speaker 1: say Merry Christmas, and I say it's time for a break.

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Speaker 1: And when we come back, more Nightcap, including Richard Lyons

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Speaker 1: on the DNA of Democracy.

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Speaker 2: You're on seven hundred w LW.

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Speaker 1: Into our number two of tonight's night tap on seven

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Speaker 1: hundred W l W. Gary jeff And joining us now,

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Speaker 1: author and poet, the author of DNA, DNA of Democracy

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Speaker 1: and Shadows of the Acropolis, and so many things to

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Speaker 1: talk about regarding what feels different and why we're not

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Speaker 1: living up to our birthright as a country right now.

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Speaker 1: Richard Lyons joins us tonight. And the first thing Richard

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Speaker 1: said when I called him on the phone a few

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Speaker 1: moments ago was I'm sorry about Joe Burrow. And you know,

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Speaker 1: before we get to weightier issues, Richard, let's let's go

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Speaker 1: ahead and tackle this one. Nothing to feel bad about

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Speaker 1: regarding Joe Burrow except feeling bad for him that he's

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Speaker 1: saddled with a franchise that obviously doesn't want to win

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Speaker 1: as badly as he does, and they prove it every

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Speaker 1: year and sadly the best years of Joe Burrow's life.

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Speaker 1: He maybe feels this way too, He hasn't said so publicly.

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Speaker 1: Have been wasted on this moribund franchise that can't seem

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Speaker 1: to get out of its own way. Any thoughts on that?

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Speaker 8: Oh well, He's just he needs two things. He needs

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Speaker 8: a couple of things. He needs an offensive line, they

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Speaker 8: can stop the opponent's defense.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, and he needs a.

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Speaker 8: Defense that can stop the opponent. He needs a great deal.

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Speaker 1: Well, we had neither of those yesterday in a twenty

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Speaker 1: four to nothing lost to the Baltimore Ravens, including two

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Speaker 1: more Joe Burrow interceptions, which is not the usual Joe

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Speaker 1: Burrow modus operandi. I mean, he's thrown two interceptions each

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Speaker 1: in the last two games, and people blame Joe Burrow

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Speaker 1: just cannot see the fours for the trees.

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Speaker 2: It's it's it's amazing.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 8: I think he's just exhausted because it's such an impossible position.

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Speaker 8: He said, So you tend to you tend to lose

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Speaker 8: spirits when when you know you're not going to get

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Speaker 8: to where you need to go.

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Speaker 1: You know, And let's blend. Let's segue that into our conversation,

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Speaker 1: our greater conversation. Talking to Richard Lyons on the Nightcap,

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Speaker 1: as author of The DNA of Democracy and Shadows of

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Speaker 1: the Acropolis, do you think that it's easy for Americans

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Speaker 1: who care about their country of pride in this country

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Speaker 1: and pride in what it stands for and was based upon.

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Speaker 1: Do you think that a lot of us are getting

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Speaker 1: a little tired and worn out from what's happening from

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Speaker 1: within our country.

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Speaker 8: Well, that's a really good question, but we shouldn't. And

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Speaker 8: I'll try and describe why I wrote the DNA of

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Speaker 8: Democracy series because I feel the American people need an

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Speaker 8: education on the unique brilliance of the history of this country.

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Speaker 8: It is unexampled in world history that we had a

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Speaker 8: country fought for the rights of humanity, a country that

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Speaker 8: fought for the divine rights given to every individual. This

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Speaker 8: is a system that is opposite to the tyrannical systems

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Speaker 8: of government that existed throughout human history. And so when

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Speaker 8: you go to the point in seventeen eighty seven Gary

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Speaker 8: where they're constructing the Constitution, they took elements of common

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Speaker 8: law from the Ten Commandments. They took elements of rights

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Speaker 8: trial by jury from the Greek democracy in Athens. They

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Speaker 8: took examples of home of property ownership and of commercial

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Speaker 8: rights from Rome, and again from England and its common

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Speaker 8: laws and the Magna Carta. And I put all that

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Speaker 8: together to show how these are each cornerstones of our

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Speaker 8: unique constitution and were put there very deliberately to protect

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Speaker 8: us from systems of tyranny. Which are like social socialism

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Speaker 8: is a tyrannical form of government. And what we're seeing

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Speaker 8: in America today, and this is where Shadows of the

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Speaker 8: Acropolis comes in. It's a chronicle of the last one

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Speaker 8: hundred years, beginning with Woodrow Wilson and the slow incremental

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Speaker 8: growth of socialism in this country to the point where

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Speaker 8: today you have Mamdani running as an open socialist in

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Speaker 8: New York and uh in California you have a governor

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Speaker 8: who who acts like one.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no doubt about it.

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Speaker 8: And that's where we are. And so we really were

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Speaker 8: at we're at a critical point, right it was we were.

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Speaker 8: We were at a critical point in the Civil War

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Speaker 8: and it cost a million casualties to correct the flaw,

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Speaker 8: the flaw of slavery in the original Constitution. We now

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Speaker 8: stand at a point where the Democrat Party has invited

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Speaker 8: in and grown socialism for one hundred years. And we

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Speaker 8: have to face this now and have faith in the

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Speaker 8: cornerstones of our country. And they are a faith in federalism,

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Speaker 8: a faith in representative government and not in the administrative state,

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Speaker 8: a faith in constitutional law, faith in free enterprise, and

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Speaker 8: acknowledge the gift that Judaeo Christianity is.

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Speaker 5: To this system.

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Speaker 8: These are faiths which demand humility and understanding and peace

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Speaker 8: with political opponents, which socialism does not do.

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Speaker 1: No, Aman, you've seen the rise of the left, the

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Speaker 1: socialism socialists that you're talking about, and how they are

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Speaker 1: have no compunction at all against using violence to achieve

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Speaker 1: their goals.

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Speaker 8: And if they do not do it legally, they do

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Speaker 8: it extra legally, which is through the administrative state. And

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Speaker 8: if they can't do it there or bend the elbow

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Speaker 8: of the judiciary, then yes, they use violence. You're exactly right.

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Speaker 2: And we've seen time and time again on the.

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Speaker 8: Left where when they burned out two hundred cities, oh

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Speaker 8: because they were saying angry.

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Speaker 1: You know, the city of Cincinnati did a pretty good

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Speaker 1: job during the riots of twenty twenty, I will give

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Speaker 1: them credit, but still we had that here. It wasn't

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Speaker 1: just in Seattle or Portland or Los Angeles or any

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Speaker 1: of these major leftist cities. It happened everywhere, and it

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Speaker 1: was condoned by leaders at the time as justice for

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Speaker 1: George Floyd. You know, the time where the rest of

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Speaker 1: us were being told that we had to wear masks

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Speaker 1: if we went outside the house because of the threat

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Speaker 1: of the COVID boogeyman. If you were if you were

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Speaker 1: writing and setting things on fire to Black Lives Matter

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Speaker 1: rally and you weren't mirroring a mask, well that was

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Speaker 1: justified because you know, COVID's not going to touch people

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Speaker 1: who were rioting for a just cause, were not peacefully protesting.

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Speaker 2: We did see that.

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Speaker 1: And no, the other tie to the rise of socialism

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Speaker 1: is the rise of globalism.

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Speaker 2: Yes, in our world.

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Speaker 1: You know that they're talking about a world in which

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Speaker 1: we won't no one will own anything, but we'll have

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Speaker 1: a nice little apartment box and a big screen TV

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Speaker 1: and we'll.

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Speaker 8: Be happy at a bucket of popcorn.

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Speaker 1: Yeah great, and we'll be happy.

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Speaker 8: Yes, No, that's exactly so. And you find the global

658
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Speaker 8: The way we were constructed originally was that most politics

659
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Speaker 8: were local. It was at the town assembly that you

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Speaker 8: exerted direct democracy and let people in your town know

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Speaker 8: how you feel, and if you had a better way

662
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Speaker 8: of doing things, your idea carried the vote. What this

663
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Speaker 8: creeping socialism has done for one hundred years has taken

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Speaker 8: governance from local and state government and taking all that

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Speaker 8: power and all that money and put it in one

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Speaker 8: city and DC centralized it and redistributed it so that

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Speaker 8: they determine who gets money back from all the taxes

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Speaker 8: that we pay, and they do so based on whether

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Speaker 8: you carry, whether you carry the water for the political

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Speaker 8: will of the Democrat Party. So this is where we're

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Speaker 8: at today. What we need to we need to go

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Speaker 8: back to federalism. We need to decentralize as much as

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Speaker 8: we can. And there's a there's a great case before

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Speaker 8: the Supreme Court which will determine whether Donald Trump can

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Speaker 8: go to an agency which he is theoretically as the

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Speaker 8: executive running, and replace the heads of those agencies or

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Speaker 8: evacuate them all together. Right, And I think his best

678
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Speaker 8: example is what he's doing with the Education Department, where

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Speaker 8: he's unraveling the department and taking all that power and

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Speaker 8: giving it back to the state. And I think that's

681
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Speaker 8: what needs to be happening here.

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Speaker 1: Well, you know, I think that there's hope that they

683
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Speaker 1: will make that determination at the highest court in the land.

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Speaker 1: They already did something really, really good a couple of

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Speaker 1: years ago with the Chevron decisions.

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Speaker 8: So exactly, which took the.

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Speaker 1: Power out of these administrative states, the administrative state, the

688
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Speaker 1: unelected bureaucrats in these administrations, agencies that are appointed, not elected,

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Speaker 1: and you know, giving the power back to Congress and

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Speaker 1: the president as far as rules and regulations, and Donald

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Speaker 1: Trump has been instrumental in deregulating a lot of these

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Speaker 1: draconian administrative state kind of rules made by people who

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Speaker 1: don't have any accountability.

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Speaker 2: To the city.

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Speaker 8: I don't think. I don't know, if you know, most

696
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Speaker 8: people in America don't understand that the administrative state is,

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Speaker 8: by its function, a fourth part of our government. Yeah,

698
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Speaker 8: and they exercise legislative characteristics, executive and judicial characteristics, and

699
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Speaker 8: investigative powers all in one. And this is exactly why

700
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Speaker 8: our government is broken into three branches, because you never

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Speaker 8: want that. And so you have four hundred and ninety

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Speaker 8: five agencies peopled by a couple of million people that

703
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Speaker 8: are making rules for the country that never pass the legislature,

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Speaker 8: and if you don't follow their rules, they can find

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Speaker 8: you or jail you. That is not how we were founded.

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Speaker 1: That is truly taxation without representation, which is what we

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Speaker 1: broke away from.

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Speaker 2: The King for.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, exactly, exactly so, and so that's what my two

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Speaker 8: books go into. Why did we leave the King and

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Speaker 8: why have we gotten back to that? How have we

712
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Speaker 8: gotten back to that? And we have a government that's

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Speaker 8: un answerable to our will. It's supposed to be our government,

714
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Speaker 8: but we are being treated now like we're subjects, and

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Speaker 8: that's the growth of socialism.

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Speaker 2: Can we look back, Richard Lyons, to.

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Speaker 1: What happened to the democracy in ancient Greece and what

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Speaker 1: happened to what what was the Roman Empire? And why

719
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Speaker 1: they fell? Are we seeing Are we seeing similar signs here?

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Speaker 8: Yeah? They Well, in Athens, I would point out that

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Speaker 8: there was a there was a central treasury of the

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Speaker 8: League of Greek City States that formed an answer to

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Speaker 8: the Persian invasions, and its treasury was held in Delos.

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Speaker 8: So that would be the equivalent in the United States

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Speaker 8: of oh, the treasury is in Missouri.

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 5: Right.

728
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Speaker 8: Then Athens got arrogant and Athens said, no, we're going

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Speaker 8: to take the treasury from being in Delos. We're going

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Speaker 8: to put it in Athens. And not just that, but

731
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Speaker 8: every one of the league in the Delian League is

732
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Speaker 8: a lesser city state than Athens. From now on, Athens

733
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Speaker 8: will dictate to the Delian League that was contrary to

734
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Speaker 8: the to the federalism that the Greek city states enjoyed.

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Speaker 8: And again, so it's a concentration of power again. And

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Speaker 8: with Rome, what happened was through a series of civil wars,

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Speaker 8: the Senate started losing its power as a ballast of

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Speaker 8: the state, and individuals started concentrating power in their own clans,

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Speaker 8: and it ended up with the Julia Claudians winning the

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Speaker 8: emperorship and that destroyed the Republic. It's always concentration of wealth,

741
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Speaker 8: concentration of power, and that started in our country with

742
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Speaker 8: Woodrow Wilson.

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Speaker 1: Well don't you think that that kind of plays into

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Speaker 1: this party system we have in this country that George

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Speaker 1: Washington warned about as he was.

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Speaker 8: Yes, that was it was one of the premier concerns

747
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Speaker 8: of all the founders that by having magnetism in political

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Speaker 8: parties where you formed different groups that combat at each

749
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Speaker 8: other and vie for power, Yeah, that would be a

750
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Speaker 8: problem because it naturally goes against individual rights, liberties, and interests.

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Speaker 8: But that is how we're formed, and we have these

752
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Speaker 8: two massive parties. And today I like the idea that

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Speaker 8: the Republicans, rather than being a junior partner to the

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Speaker 8: Democrat Party as it was for decades, We're now fighting

755
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Speaker 8: for constitutional principles. We're now fighting for the education system

756
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Speaker 8: to be given back to the states. We're now fighting

757
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Speaker 8: like with Doge, where are these guys spending their money?

758
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Speaker 8: How did Stacy Abrams get two billion dollars through the EPA.

759
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Speaker 8: We're on the virtuous side of this fight, and I'm

760
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Speaker 8: happy that the Republican Party is as strong as it

761
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Speaker 8: is now.

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Speaker 1: Well, hopefully it can maintain that strength through the midterms

763
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Speaker 1: coming up. And yeah, absolutely there are signs pointing both

764
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Speaker 1: ways as to how that goes right now, but we're

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Speaker 1: still months off.

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Speaker 8: Well, I think we really need a central message.

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Speaker 7: Now.

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Speaker 8: The beauty of Trump was maga make America great again.

769
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Speaker 8: Now there's a hundred policies under that, but everybody recognizes

770
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Speaker 8: that line. Everybody has that hat, and that's what everybody

771
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Speaker 8: voted for. So I think we need you know, it

772
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Speaker 8: needs to We need to know we're fighting for the Constitution,

773
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Speaker 8: We're fighting for free enterprise, We're fighting for federalism. I mean,

774
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Speaker 8: federalism is a virtue that we've forgotten. But we in

775
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Speaker 8: we in in Ohio shouldn't be paying for the sins

776
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Speaker 8: of California, or for the sins of New York. If

777
00:49:45,640 --> 00:49:48,799
Speaker 8: we run our budgets right, we should be rewarded for that.

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Speaker 8: It shouldn't be redistributed.

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Speaker 2: No, exactly.

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Speaker 1: Let me ask you, Richard Lyons, Uh, what what other

781
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Speaker 1: federal agencies this adminis straight of state would you like

782
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Speaker 1: to see disbanded? If you had the power to suggest

783
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Speaker 1: to the President and the powers that be, what besides

784
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Speaker 1: the Department of Education needs to go? Because I can

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Speaker 1: think of about four or five myself.

786
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Speaker 8: I would think if we make a virtuous enough tax system,

787
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Speaker 8: we could do without the irs.

788
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Speaker 5: Amen, there you go, all.

789
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Speaker 1: Right, I think the Department of Energy could go. I

790
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Speaker 1: think that, to be honest, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco,

791
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Speaker 1: Firearms and Explosives doesn't need to exist.

792
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Speaker 2: Leave that to local law enforcement work.

793
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Speaker 1: With the thing.

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Speaker 8: All of these agencies and this is their weakness. Every

795
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Speaker 8: agency has offices in every state, So why not let

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Speaker 8: the states decide whether they want to keep that office

797
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Speaker 8: in their state. Yeah, So if you want a Bureau

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Speaker 8: of Tobacco Firearms in the state of Utah, keep it,

799
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Speaker 8: but disband the one in Washington.

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Speaker 1: Well, I always thought that alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms should

801
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Speaker 1: be a store, not a government agency.

802
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Speaker 8: Well, I think Joe Burrow is pulling up to the

803
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Speaker 8: alcohol part of it.

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Speaker 1: Well, I don't know. Do you see that sad press

805
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Speaker 1: conference on his birthday?

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Speaker 8: My gosh, it just he is such a natural quarterback. Yeah,

807
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Speaker 8: I mean everything about him, he's the natural.

808
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Speaker 2: He was the best quarterback in the NFL last year.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, by farnuck.

810
00:51:34,200 --> 00:51:34,799
Speaker 7: And he's suck.

811
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Speaker 1: Yeah, he is stuck and he doesn't like it.

812
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Speaker 2: And I don't blame him.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, it almost shrieks of Andrew Luck

814
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Speaker 1: with the Indianapolis Colts and others you've seen that just

815
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Speaker 1: just went to the wrong team. And I hate to

816
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Speaker 1: say that about your Bengals, folks, but you know, and

817
00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:00,920
Speaker 1: like you know, they didn't not even I'm going to

818
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Speaker 1: get into this with the wild Man later on tonight,

819
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Speaker 1: Wildman Walker. They didn't even. And the NFL requires teams

820
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Speaker 1: to clean snow off of benches and railings before a game. Yeah,

821
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Speaker 1: and the Bengals did.

822
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Speaker 2: Not do that.

823
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Speaker 1: And they did not allow fans to bring cardboard or

824
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Speaker 1: anything to stand on. When they didn't clean off the

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Speaker 1: stadium like they're supposed to under National Football League rules.

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Speaker 2: I'd like to see him.

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Speaker 8: Find for not doing well that you know, there's a

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Speaker 8: real health hazard to that. Oh yeah, clips on the ice,

829
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Speaker 8: for God's.

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Speaker 5: Sake, exactly.

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Speaker 8: You're a lot of liability there.

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Speaker 1: And it's not like we live in an overly litigious society.

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Speaker 8: The Democrats love that too, by the way.

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Speaker 2: Oh yes, they do money for free.

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Speaker 1: Anything else you'd like to add here in our closing minute, No, but.

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Speaker 8: I take hope in this. I take hope in this

837
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Speaker 8: that Trump was elected in twenty sixteen when we were

838
00:52:59,320 --> 00:53:04,799
Speaker 8: about to become institutionally socialist under Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama,

839
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Speaker 8: that while he was out of power, right while he

840
00:53:08,920 --> 00:53:12,439
Speaker 8: was in power twenty sixteen to twenty twenty, he got

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00:53:12,440 --> 00:53:15,960
Speaker 8: a majority in the Supreme Court. And now you're watching

842
00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:20,520
Speaker 8: with Chevron and other issues that they are rolling back

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Speaker 8: the administrative state.

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Speaker 2: Good.

845
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Speaker 8: So this is all good. That Trump got elected again

846
00:53:24,840 --> 00:53:27,880
Speaker 8: in twenty four knowing what he had to do, knowing

847
00:53:27,880 --> 00:53:31,600
Speaker 8: what his cabinets should be composed of, he got a

848
00:53:31,640 --> 00:53:36,839
Speaker 8: lot of great people. I think we're better off from

849
00:53:36,840 --> 00:53:40,759
Speaker 8: that one election to twenty sixteen that we can really recognize.

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00:53:40,760 --> 00:53:43,719
Speaker 8: I think history will recognize it more than we do now.

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Speaker 1: All right, Richard lyonce, thank you so much the DNA

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00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:50,000
Speaker 1: of Democracy, Shadows of the Acropolis. Look for him and

853
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Speaker 1: get yourself an education on the way things you're supposed

854
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Speaker 1: to be.

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Speaker 8: All right, Thanks Garry.

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Speaker 2: You take care of him. Merry Christmas Richard an to you.

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Speaker 5: All right.

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Speaker 1: We will continue in just a few moments. My friend

859
00:54:03,840 --> 00:54:08,880
Speaker 1: Dan was was here with us earlier. Another buddy, Drew Allen.

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Speaker 1: First time in probably two two and a half years

861
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Speaker 1: i've had Drew on. He's got a brand new book

862
00:54:16,719 --> 00:54:20,080
Speaker 1: about Charlie Kirk and about the movement the turning point

863
00:54:20,160 --> 00:54:27,800
Speaker 1: USA has begun, and about what's really important. So stick

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Speaker 1: around for that after a break on the nightcap on

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Speaker 1: seven hundred WLW.

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Speaker 2: As I mentioned.

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Speaker 1: Before the break, it's been a long long time since

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Speaker 1: I had the pleasure of having Drew Thomas Allen on.

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Speaker 1: We first met, gosh six seven years ago. Probably he

870
00:54:51,880 --> 00:54:56,440
Speaker 1: was helping me book guests on this show and always

871
00:54:56,520 --> 00:54:59,600
Speaker 1: gave me the best people and he still does to

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Speaker 1: this Hey, but he's also an author.

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Speaker 2: He's also a father.

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Speaker 1: By the way, we'll start the conversation this way, Drew Allen,

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Speaker 1: how is the family.

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00:55:10,040 --> 00:55:11,120
Speaker 2: How's everybody doing?

877
00:55:12,280 --> 00:55:13,120
Speaker 4: Oh, they're good man.

878
00:55:13,200 --> 00:55:17,279
Speaker 9: My oldest is approaching three rapidly, she'll be three of

879
00:55:17,320 --> 00:55:19,040
Speaker 9: the inn of March. So I keep saying two and

880
00:55:19,080 --> 00:55:20,400
Speaker 9: a half. I've been saying two and a half for

881
00:55:20,480 --> 00:55:23,359
Speaker 9: like three months. But anyway, and then and my other

882
00:55:23,480 --> 00:55:27,520
Speaker 9: daughters rapidly approaching one. She'll be one in January. So

883
00:55:27,520 --> 00:55:29,240
Speaker 9: so yeah, busy, it's a blessing.

884
00:55:29,560 --> 00:55:32,320
Speaker 1: I haven't I haven't talked to you since the birth

885
00:55:32,320 --> 00:55:35,600
Speaker 1: of your second child. That's how long it's been. But

886
00:55:35,800 --> 00:55:38,880
Speaker 1: God bless you. I'm I'm glad that it is a blessing,

887
00:55:38,960 --> 00:55:42,279
Speaker 1: and I hope it's some merrier Christmas with all of

888
00:55:42,320 --> 00:55:44,880
Speaker 1: that baby joy around the Allen house.

889
00:55:46,160 --> 00:55:48,080
Speaker 9: Yeah, you get to readlive your childhood a little bit,

890
00:55:48,120 --> 00:55:49,000
Speaker 9: so it's an amazing thing.

891
00:55:49,239 --> 00:55:49,799
Speaker 2: Yeah.

892
00:55:50,480 --> 00:55:54,600
Speaker 1: The latest book that Drew has written is called for

893
00:55:54,719 --> 00:55:58,759
Speaker 1: Christ and Country, The Martyrdom of Charlie Kirk. A lot

894
00:55:58,760 --> 00:56:03,640
Speaker 1: of Charlie Cookbrooks kirkbooks out there right now. Erica has

895
00:56:03,800 --> 00:56:08,239
Speaker 1: been front and center his widow and there's a new controversy.

896
00:56:08,320 --> 00:56:09,400
Speaker 2: Maybe we can get into that.

897
00:56:10,040 --> 00:56:14,680
Speaker 1: But first and foremost, why did you feel compelled to

898
00:56:14,680 --> 00:56:16,080
Speaker 1: write a book about Charlie Kirk?

899
00:56:16,160 --> 00:56:16,399
Speaker 2: Drew?

900
00:56:18,120 --> 00:56:20,480
Speaker 9: Well, I didn't intend to write a book straight away,

901
00:56:21,800 --> 00:56:23,719
Speaker 9: I'll just tell the quick story, and I have a

902
00:56:23,800 --> 00:56:25,840
Speaker 9: very strong point that I think your audience will relate to.

903
00:56:26,040 --> 00:56:28,279
Speaker 4: So you mentioned I'm a father, I am. I'm thirty eight.

904
00:56:29,840 --> 00:56:33,120
Speaker 9: I don't usually pick up my daughter from school from preschool,

905
00:56:33,120 --> 00:56:35,480
Speaker 9: but my wife told me that morning that the previous

906
00:56:35,560 --> 00:56:37,440
Speaker 9: day she'd gone to pick up our daughter from school,

907
00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:39,719
Speaker 9: and my daughter come to the car and been really

908
00:56:39,719 --> 00:56:42,239
Speaker 9: disappointed because I wasn't there. She was like dad, adding car,

909
00:56:42,280 --> 00:56:44,759
Speaker 9: his dad had there, and she kept saying. My wife said, no,

910
00:56:44,840 --> 00:56:49,319
Speaker 9: he'sn't home. And I said, you know what, I'm gonna

911
00:56:49,320 --> 00:56:52,000
Speaker 9: come with you and we're gonna pick her up. I

912
00:56:52,040 --> 00:56:53,520
Speaker 9: want to see that joy on her face when she

913
00:56:53,560 --> 00:56:56,200
Speaker 9: sees her dad there. And so as we pulled into

914
00:56:56,200 --> 00:56:58,960
Speaker 9: the parking lot of the school, I got the notification

915
00:56:59,000 --> 00:57:00,239
Speaker 9: that Charlie had been shot.

916
00:57:00,440 --> 00:57:02,480
Speaker 4: And you know, i'd been.

917
00:57:02,320 --> 00:57:04,040
Speaker 9: There before in the sense that we all were there

918
00:57:04,080 --> 00:57:06,799
Speaker 9: when when Trump got shot at the Butler Pennsylvania rally,

919
00:57:06,800 --> 00:57:09,360
Speaker 9: but it was really quickly revealed that he was okay,

920
00:57:09,800 --> 00:57:11,640
Speaker 9: and this was different. So I was scrolling on my

921
00:57:11,640 --> 00:57:14,759
Speaker 9: phone refreshing news feeds while my wife went to get

922
00:57:14,760 --> 00:57:18,520
Speaker 9: her daughter, and then I saw the video and anybody

923
00:57:18,520 --> 00:57:21,080
Speaker 9: who saw that video knew, like it's not humanly possible,

924
00:57:21,720 --> 00:57:22,000
Speaker 9: you know.

925
00:57:22,040 --> 00:57:25,400
Speaker 4: To survive it. Just it was just so gruesome, and.

926
00:57:25,560 --> 00:57:29,600
Speaker 1: I mean it all looked it almost looked computer generated

927
00:57:29,720 --> 00:57:31,840
Speaker 1: when I saw it the first time, and it just

928
00:57:31,880 --> 00:57:36,040
Speaker 1: didn't look real and it didn't feel real. But unfortunately

929
00:57:36,080 --> 00:57:36,960
Speaker 1: it was go ahead.

930
00:57:38,040 --> 00:57:39,800
Speaker 9: Well yeah, and it still kind of feels that way,

931
00:57:39,840 --> 00:57:43,080
Speaker 9: like I can't believe he's gone. But in the moment

932
00:57:43,160 --> 00:57:46,439
Speaker 9: that I realized he was dead, I mean, my gut

933
00:57:46,480 --> 00:57:49,440
Speaker 9: told me that my daughter was running to the car

934
00:57:49,520 --> 00:57:52,400
Speaker 9: and she was so happy and like yelling at the

935
00:57:52,480 --> 00:57:53,440
Speaker 9: top of the lungs.

936
00:57:53,200 --> 00:57:56,000
Speaker 4: Dad, Dad as in the car, Dad as in car.

937
00:57:56,080 --> 00:57:59,960
Speaker 9: And as I embraced my daughter, you know, I realized,

938
00:58:00,200 --> 00:58:03,960
Speaker 9: like Charlie's little girl's never gonna have that experience again.

939
00:58:04,160 --> 00:58:06,800
Speaker 4: And it just it like it crushed me, man.

940
00:58:07,160 --> 00:58:09,080
Speaker 9: And you know, I was Charlie's publicist last summer for

941
00:58:09,160 --> 00:58:11,160
Speaker 9: Right Wing Revolution, but I didn't know him personally.

942
00:58:11,200 --> 00:58:12,840
Speaker 4: And that's the that's the core of the book. I

943
00:58:12,880 --> 00:58:13,360
Speaker 4: make that clear.

944
00:58:13,440 --> 00:58:16,200
Speaker 9: And I'm writing like millions of Americans who just felt

945
00:58:16,200 --> 00:58:18,680
Speaker 9: devastated and we're trying to understand why. I mean, we've

946
00:58:18,720 --> 00:58:20,520
Speaker 9: all the older you get, the more people die, right,

947
00:58:20,560 --> 00:58:24,800
Speaker 9: And so I've lost people, but nobody affected me like Charlie.

948
00:58:24,800 --> 00:58:26,439
Speaker 4: And part of it was it was so close to home.

949
00:58:26,800 --> 00:58:28,880
Speaker 9: He had two kids who were roughly my kid's age,

950
00:58:28,920 --> 00:58:31,600
Speaker 9: had in his case a daughter and a son.

951
00:58:32,400 --> 00:58:35,600
Speaker 4: And I cried for a week, Gary like I.

952
00:58:35,760 --> 00:58:37,440
Speaker 9: The next morning, I slept it by my wi my

953
00:58:37,520 --> 00:58:40,120
Speaker 9: daughter's oldest daughter's crib that night, just because I wanted

954
00:58:40,160 --> 00:58:40,960
Speaker 9: to be close to her.

955
00:58:42,080 --> 00:58:43,959
Speaker 4: The next morning, at breakfast, I just broke down.

956
00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:46,120
Speaker 9: She touched me with her little oatmeal covered hands at

957
00:58:46,120 --> 00:58:49,040
Speaker 9: the breakfast table, and I just like, I just wept.

958
00:58:49,200 --> 00:58:51,840
Speaker 9: And my daughter, you know, his dad has a dada,

959
00:58:51,880 --> 00:58:53,480
Speaker 9: has an auchi and my wife said, yeah, he has

960
00:58:53,480 --> 00:58:54,600
Speaker 9: an aushae on his heart, you know.

961
00:58:54,640 --> 00:58:56,640
Speaker 4: And I just I was.

962
00:58:56,560 --> 00:58:59,800
Speaker 9: Grappling with this, and and I knew Charlie was, you know,

963
00:58:59,840 --> 00:59:02,040
Speaker 9: in important. But I don't think anyone, I don't I

964
00:59:02,040 --> 00:59:04,040
Speaker 9: don't think anyone understood how important he was because he

965
00:59:04,040 --> 00:59:06,600
Speaker 9: planted a lot of seeds and apparently he planted seeds

966
00:59:06,640 --> 00:59:08,920
Speaker 9: for me too. And then as I was watching his

967
00:59:09,200 --> 00:59:11,680
Speaker 9: videos and his sermons effectively, because he was kind of

968
00:59:11,720 --> 00:59:14,400
Speaker 9: like a preacher, really set down to because he put

969
00:59:14,480 --> 00:59:18,600
Speaker 9: he put his faith first. I just it just it

970
00:59:18,720 --> 00:59:22,840
Speaker 9: just moved me, and it it just challenged me to

971
00:59:22,960 --> 00:59:25,160
Speaker 9: confront like the gap in myself between the man I

972
00:59:25,200 --> 00:59:27,400
Speaker 9: wanted to be and kind of the man Charlie became.

973
00:59:27,520 --> 00:59:28,880
Speaker 4: Charlie wasn't always that Charlie Kirk.

974
00:59:28,920 --> 00:59:32,160
Speaker 9: He had a hunger for truth, a hunger for knowledge

975
00:59:32,240 --> 00:59:35,960
Speaker 9: and and faith and deepening that stuff. And so I

976
00:59:36,000 --> 00:59:38,320
Speaker 9: still had this residual fear because I'd lost so many

977
00:59:38,320 --> 00:59:40,960
Speaker 9: friends Democrat friends in twenty twenty. And even though I

978
00:59:41,000 --> 00:59:43,120
Speaker 9: told myself I was courageous. I mean, I'm not tepid.

979
00:59:43,280 --> 00:59:45,920
Speaker 9: I write books, I do a podcast, I come on shows.

980
00:59:45,960 --> 00:59:48,720
Speaker 9: But he went into hostile environments and I would never

981
00:59:48,760 --> 00:59:51,160
Speaker 9: have done that in the past because I just like

982
00:59:51,280 --> 00:59:54,800
Speaker 9: the sting of, like of of the secular world, you know,

983
00:59:54,880 --> 00:59:57,360
Speaker 9: And and so it killed that fear in me too.

984
00:59:57,400 --> 01:00:00,560
Speaker 9: And so I went on this journey because I wanted

985
01:00:00,560 --> 01:00:02,000
Speaker 9: people to understand why this happened.

986
01:00:02,040 --> 01:00:02,480
Speaker 4: Who did it?

987
01:00:02,480 --> 01:00:07,600
Speaker 9: It was the left transgender movement, and to talk to

988
01:00:07,640 --> 01:00:09,480
Speaker 9: Americans about what we have to do to prevent this.

989
01:00:09,600 --> 01:00:12,240
Speaker 9: And it's just that's what it was kind of born of.

990
01:00:12,280 --> 01:00:13,720
Speaker 9: And then there are all these issues we need to

991
01:00:13,720 --> 01:00:15,280
Speaker 9: talk about as a country, because I don't want to

992
01:00:15,320 --> 01:00:18,000
Speaker 9: live in a country where this happens. Not only where

993
01:00:18,040 --> 01:00:20,600
Speaker 9: this happens, but you know, I've got a chapter called

994
01:00:20,640 --> 01:00:22,120
Speaker 9: nine ten is the new nine to eleven. That's not

995
01:00:22,160 --> 01:00:24,400
Speaker 9: to downplay nine to eleven, But I remember when the

996
01:00:24,440 --> 01:00:26,480
Speaker 9: towers fell when I was a freshman, Gary Jeff. And

997
01:00:27,600 --> 01:00:32,360
Speaker 9: even more shocking than the event itself was the reaction

998
01:00:32,480 --> 01:00:34,880
Speaker 9: by Muslims in the Middle East that were celebrating our pain.

999
01:00:35,960 --> 01:00:38,880
Speaker 9: And that was happening in the United States of America

1000
01:00:38,920 --> 01:00:40,160
Speaker 9: by leftists.

1001
01:00:40,640 --> 01:00:43,840
Speaker 2: Celebrating Charlie's death. Yeah, it disgusted me.

1002
01:00:44,400 --> 01:00:49,360
Speaker 1: And the thing is, we on the right, for the

1003
01:00:49,400 --> 01:00:55,560
Speaker 1: most part, don't have hatred against our political enemies or

1004
01:00:55,600 --> 01:00:57,919
Speaker 1: against the people that disagree with us.

1005
01:00:58,040 --> 01:00:59,840
Speaker 2: We don't generally do that.

1006
01:01:00,760 --> 01:01:05,600
Speaker 1: The left, it seems, has a pensiant for thinking violence

1007
01:01:05,640 --> 01:01:08,880
Speaker 1: is okay. And you look and poll after poll around

1008
01:01:08,880 --> 01:01:13,320
Speaker 1: this country. If you're looking at Democrats or people who

1009
01:01:13,400 --> 01:01:19,160
Speaker 1: identify as Democrats, people on the left are condoning. I mean,

1010
01:01:19,560 --> 01:01:24,200
Speaker 1: they're in favor. They think it's okay sometimes to commit

1011
01:01:24,360 --> 01:01:29,000
Speaker 1: violence against someone that you disagree with. And that's really

1012
01:01:29,040 --> 01:01:31,640
Speaker 1: a bad trend. In this country that has just risen

1013
01:01:31,760 --> 01:01:33,640
Speaker 1: up over the last five to ten years.

1014
01:01:33,720 --> 01:01:34,959
Speaker 5: Drew.

1015
01:01:35,800 --> 01:01:38,680
Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean it started with Trump's election twenty sixteen,

1016
01:01:39,560 --> 01:01:41,800
Speaker 9: and I get into an address on that.

1017
01:01:42,120 --> 01:01:43,440
Speaker 4: This book's very personal too, but.

1018
01:01:45,320 --> 01:01:48,120
Speaker 9: It started in twenty sixteen, and then by twenty twenty

1019
01:01:48,160 --> 01:01:52,720
Speaker 9: is when it really mistastatized, metastized, right, because you know,

1020
01:01:52,720 --> 01:01:54,520
Speaker 9: I didn't lose my friends in twenty sixteen the first

1021
01:01:54,560 --> 01:01:56,479
Speaker 9: time I voted for Trump. I did in twenty twenty

1022
01:01:56,520 --> 01:01:59,960
Speaker 9: because that constant drumbeat of hatred and the human is

1023
01:02:00,400 --> 01:02:03,240
Speaker 9: is what it was led people to excommunicate me from

1024
01:02:03,240 --> 01:02:06,680
Speaker 9: their lives just because of politics. And so there's moral

1025
01:02:06,720 --> 01:02:09,320
Speaker 9: relatives on the left. Charlie talked about it. We believe

1026
01:02:09,320 --> 01:02:10,440
Speaker 9: in transcendent.

1027
01:02:09,960 --> 01:02:12,360
Speaker 4: Power in God. They are moral absolutes, and the left

1028
01:02:12,360 --> 01:02:13,040
Speaker 4: doesn't believe that.

1029
01:02:13,120 --> 01:02:16,320
Speaker 9: So you know, Trump, I mean, well Trump too, But

1030
01:02:16,680 --> 01:02:18,720
Speaker 9: Charlie to the left was just a clump of sales. Right,

1031
01:02:18,760 --> 01:02:22,080
Speaker 9: It's just like an unborn baby wild. If you don't

1032
01:02:22,120 --> 01:02:24,000
Speaker 9: want the baby, it's a clump of sales. But if

1033
01:02:24,000 --> 01:02:25,880
Speaker 9: you want it, it's a baby. You know, you get

1034
01:02:25,880 --> 01:02:28,080
Speaker 9: the sonogram and it's like, that's a beautiful baby. If

1035
01:02:28,080 --> 01:02:29,960
Speaker 9: you want it and if you don't, it's just a

1036
01:02:30,000 --> 01:02:32,880
Speaker 9: thing to be discarded and killed. And so that's what

1037
01:02:32,920 --> 01:02:36,200
Speaker 9: they viewed Charlie kirkas. He wasn't somebody. He wasn't a father,

1038
01:02:36,320 --> 01:02:39,040
Speaker 9: a husband, a human being. He was just you know,

1039
01:02:39,600 --> 01:02:41,680
Speaker 9: it was crazy what they did because they said his

1040
01:02:41,760 --> 01:02:44,560
Speaker 9: words were violence, and then they said actual violence that

1041
01:02:44,640 --> 01:02:45,200
Speaker 9: took his life.

1042
01:02:45,200 --> 01:02:46,320
Speaker 4: You know that was righteous.

1043
01:02:46,560 --> 01:02:50,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's insane. It is insane, and you're right. It

1044
01:02:50,160 --> 01:02:53,800
Speaker 1: is very much like people Islamist in the Middle East

1045
01:02:54,360 --> 01:02:58,320
Speaker 1: dancing with joy when the towers came down in this country.

1046
01:02:58,560 --> 01:03:00,720
Speaker 2: Back in two thousand and one, we're.

1047
01:03:00,600 --> 01:03:05,520
Speaker 1: Talking to Drew Allen about his new book For Country

1048
01:03:06,200 --> 01:03:10,360
Speaker 1: or for Christ and Country rather get it right, Christ First, Always,

1049
01:03:10,560 --> 01:03:14,640
Speaker 1: For Christ and Country. The Martyrdom of Charlie Kirk. There

1050
01:03:14,720 --> 01:03:18,280
Speaker 1: was a meeting earlier today. I've not heard how it

1051
01:03:18,440 --> 01:03:23,840
Speaker 1: turned out between Erica Kirk and Candace Owens. Candace Owens

1052
01:03:23,880 --> 01:03:30,600
Speaker 1: has raised Erica Kirk's ire and caused some controversy for

1053
01:03:30,720 --> 01:03:35,000
Speaker 1: sailing saying that Tyler Robinson did not kill Charlie Kirk

1054
01:03:36,600 --> 01:03:39,920
Speaker 1: that and pointing to the fact that she thinks it

1055
01:03:40,000 --> 01:03:43,440
Speaker 1: was an inside job by people at turning point USA

1056
01:03:43,720 --> 01:03:47,640
Speaker 1: that allowed this to happen or were complicit in Charlie's death,

1057
01:03:49,000 --> 01:03:51,960
Speaker 1: and she says she has sources, she has leaks. I

1058
01:03:52,000 --> 01:03:55,760
Speaker 1: saw the interview, the YouTube thing on Seeing Andrew, and

1059
01:03:56,440 --> 01:04:00,160
Speaker 1: you know, I've enjoyed Candace Owens in the past, but

1060
01:04:00,840 --> 01:04:03,600
Speaker 1: I saw this and she wasn't very convincing to me

1061
01:04:04,280 --> 01:04:07,000
Speaker 1: that she had real proof of this when the interviewer

1062
01:04:07,120 --> 01:04:11,400
Speaker 1: kept pressing her. I mean, any comments on that.

1063
01:04:13,840 --> 01:04:17,959
Speaker 9: Yeah, she's she's lost the plot.

1064
01:04:18,040 --> 01:04:19,160
Speaker 4: She's not one of us.

1065
01:04:18,960 --> 01:04:22,360
Speaker 9: She's an instrument of an evil at this point in destruction.

1066
01:04:23,520 --> 01:04:26,040
Speaker 9: And let me just say broadly before our narrow in

1067
01:04:26,200 --> 01:04:30,840
Speaker 9: on her, we had an opportunity here to really address

1068
01:04:31,520 --> 01:04:34,600
Speaker 9: and defeat the left because a radical wise leftist killed

1069
01:04:34,680 --> 01:04:37,480
Speaker 9: Charlie Kirk. Now you can ask questions about this and that,

1070
01:04:38,000 --> 01:04:41,960
Speaker 9: but the evidence is pretty clear that it was Tyler

1071
01:04:42,040 --> 01:04:46,880
Speaker 9: Robinson certainly. And the enemy that we face that we

1072
01:04:47,040 --> 01:04:51,280
Speaker 9: rallied to confront in the previous presidential election is we

1073
01:04:51,360 --> 01:04:53,760
Speaker 9: understand that the greatest threats of this country is the

1074
01:04:53,840 --> 01:04:57,000
Speaker 9: left and their violence and their ideology. And we spent

1075
01:04:57,040 --> 01:04:59,080
Speaker 9: the last three months because of people like Charlie, because

1076
01:04:59,120 --> 01:05:02,800
Speaker 9: of people like can So's not focusing on the issue

1077
01:05:02,840 --> 01:05:05,560
Speaker 9: we need to confront, talking about conspiracy theories and pulling

1078
01:05:05,600 --> 01:05:08,240
Speaker 9: the finger, even insinuating that Errika Kirk was involved in

1079
01:05:08,280 --> 01:05:12,400
Speaker 9: the assassination of her own husband. And Candice Own is

1080
01:05:12,440 --> 01:05:16,320
Speaker 9: somebody who turned Charlie Kirk's assassination into a stage for

1081
01:05:16,120 --> 01:05:21,480
Speaker 9: her to perform, and it's outrageous, and look the the

1082
01:05:21,640 --> 01:05:25,440
Speaker 9: the he her own comments prove that she's full of

1083
01:05:25,480 --> 01:05:29,040
Speaker 9: crap because she keeps changing the story. You know, she

1084
01:05:29,040 --> 01:05:33,280
Speaker 9: she points out some Egyptian planes presence coincidence, and that

1085
01:05:33,400 --> 01:05:36,560
Speaker 9: of course doesn't actually link to anything at all. And

1086
01:05:36,560 --> 01:05:39,120
Speaker 9: then it was you know, a trapdoor that the Jews

1087
01:05:39,160 --> 01:05:41,560
Speaker 9: did it. No, it was mac Ron and the French

1088
01:05:41,600 --> 01:05:44,760
Speaker 9: Foreign Legion that kills in. I mean, you're proving that

1089
01:05:44,800 --> 01:05:47,760
Speaker 9: you're full of crap by not following through with your

1090
01:05:48,120 --> 01:05:51,720
Speaker 9: your previous accusation with the receipts, and she keeps saying,

1091
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Speaker 9: I've got receipts, I've got this, and it never ends

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Speaker 9: up going anywhere.

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Speaker 4: And you know, her followers at this point are very

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01:05:57,560 --> 01:05:58,560
Speaker 4: much like leftists.

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Speaker 9: And let me be clear too, Cannis Owens and these

1096
01:06:01,080 --> 01:06:02,840
Speaker 9: people are not looking for the truth.

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01:06:02,840 --> 01:06:05,760
Speaker 4: They're looking for conspiracy theories. There's a very big difference.

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Speaker 9: And you know, they operate from the position that it

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01:06:09,880 --> 01:06:13,959
Speaker 9: couldn't have been the guy who actually killed Charlie Kirk,

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01:06:14,280 --> 01:06:17,800
Speaker 9: and so therefore any evidence that would prove far more

1101
01:06:17,840 --> 01:06:20,080
Speaker 9: than anything they're throwing out there that he is the killer,

1102
01:06:20,600 --> 01:06:22,960
Speaker 9: they dismissed because they don't believe he did it. It's

1103
01:06:23,000 --> 01:06:26,520
Speaker 9: kind of like brock Hussein Obama, our first Muslim president,

1104
01:06:26,560 --> 01:06:29,439
Speaker 9: you know, the Billy Graham of Islam, who every time

1105
01:06:29,440 --> 01:06:31,960
Speaker 9: you had a Jahadis attack, he would come out and

1106
01:06:31,960 --> 01:06:35,720
Speaker 9: defend Islam because he operated from this position that Islam

1107
01:06:35,800 --> 01:06:38,360
Speaker 9: was religion of peace and therefore Islam could have nothing

1108
01:06:38,360 --> 01:06:40,960
Speaker 9: to do with these murders. Well, these people were operating

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01:06:41,000 --> 01:06:44,040
Speaker 9: from a similar assumption. Well, it couldn't have been the killer.

1110
01:06:44,080 --> 01:06:45,800
Speaker 9: So therefore anything that would point to the killer, we're

1111
01:06:45,840 --> 01:06:47,960
Speaker 9: going to separate and say this isn't it. No, it's

1112
01:06:47,960 --> 01:06:52,040
Speaker 9: Egyptian planes and trap doors and Jews and the French

1113
01:06:52,040 --> 01:06:54,760
Speaker 9: Foreign Legion and it's a brigettunch he killed them, or.

1114
01:06:54,720 --> 01:06:55,640
Speaker 4: They're penis or whatever.

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Speaker 7: You know.

1116
01:06:55,880 --> 01:06:57,240
Speaker 4: I mean, I just I can't do it.

1117
01:06:57,840 --> 01:06:58,040
Speaker 2: Well.

1118
01:06:58,440 --> 01:07:01,480
Speaker 1: Candice Owens used to see to me to be a

1119
01:07:01,520 --> 01:07:06,880
Speaker 1: pretty reasonable person. And I found her, like I said,

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01:07:07,320 --> 01:07:10,200
Speaker 1: entertaining an instructive in years past. I don't know what's

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01:07:10,240 --> 01:07:14,040
Speaker 1: happened to her other than this need to have people

1122
01:07:14,080 --> 01:07:16,360
Speaker 1: pay attention to her. Is she doing it for clicks

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01:07:16,400 --> 01:07:18,160
Speaker 1: for likes? Is is that what it is?

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01:07:19,800 --> 01:07:20,000
Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 9: I mean, look, she's obviously a narcissist. She turned Carl's

1126
01:07:23,680 --> 01:07:29,480
Speaker 9: assassination into a story about herself. And you know, I

1127
01:07:29,800 --> 01:07:32,000
Speaker 9: tiptok to people at turning Point and people around there,

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01:07:32,040 --> 01:07:35,960
Speaker 9: I mean Eric, I mean, you know cannas Ollens puts out,

1129
01:07:36,120 --> 01:07:38,800
Speaker 9: you know, text messages between her and Charlie from like

1130
01:07:38,840 --> 01:07:42,800
Speaker 9: twenty eighteen, you know, as if that's reflective of was

1131
01:07:42,840 --> 01:07:45,880
Speaker 9: reflective of her current relationship with the organization and Charlie.

1132
01:07:46,760 --> 01:07:48,680
Speaker 9: Charlie was a decent person that wasn't going to go

1133
01:07:48,720 --> 01:07:50,760
Speaker 9: and throw her under the bus in public. He took

1134
01:07:50,800 --> 01:07:54,280
Speaker 9: the higher ground, like Erica Kirk has until you know,

1135
01:07:55,000 --> 01:07:57,680
Speaker 9: Canus forced her to have to come out and say something.

1136
01:07:58,560 --> 01:08:00,720
Speaker 9: And you know, Canna keep playing the VICTI I she

1137
01:08:00,800 --> 01:08:04,880
Speaker 9: operates like she's a Marxist. That's that's that's the the

1138
01:08:05,040 --> 01:08:08,120
Speaker 9: strategy she uses. And she's always the victim of everything

1139
01:08:08,200 --> 01:08:12,840
Speaker 9: and not the bully. And I just you know, she

1140
01:08:12,840 --> 01:08:15,120
Speaker 9: she was exommunicating that group a long time ago. People

1141
01:08:15,120 --> 01:08:18,599
Speaker 9: were we were done with her years ago. I mean,

1142
01:08:18,840 --> 01:08:22,400
Speaker 9: she wasn't associated with TPUSA. She's over a daily wire

1143
01:08:22,400 --> 01:08:24,240
Speaker 9: and doing her thing, and so I mean she acts

1144
01:08:24,280 --> 01:08:27,320
Speaker 9: more like a spurned lover, like a jealous ex girlfriend.

1145
01:08:27,360 --> 01:08:31,439
Speaker 9: That's like trying to you know, come out and settle

1146
01:08:31,560 --> 01:08:32,839
Speaker 9: personal scores.

1147
01:08:32,920 --> 01:08:37,479
Speaker 1: You know, that's that's really really sad for Christ and Country.

1148
01:08:37,479 --> 01:08:40,120
Speaker 1: The Martyrdom of Charlie Kirk is Drew Allen's new book.

1149
01:08:40,360 --> 01:08:43,439
Speaker 1: I understand you've had some trouble getting it out there.

1150
01:08:43,479 --> 01:08:46,840
Speaker 1: For some reason, people bought the Brooke book and then

1151
01:08:46,920 --> 01:08:48,160
Speaker 1: Amazon suspended it.

1152
01:08:49,200 --> 01:08:50,360
Speaker 2: What is Amazon doing?

1153
01:08:52,040 --> 01:08:56,160
Speaker 9: Yeah, well, yeah, I mean I I can't speak with

1154
01:08:56,200 --> 01:08:59,960
Speaker 9: complete certainty except that I think there was a war

1155
01:09:00,600 --> 01:09:02,400
Speaker 9: that oh there were gonna be a bunch of Charlie

1156
01:09:02,439 --> 01:09:04,840
Speaker 9: kirkbooks come out that are AI generated and so on

1157
01:09:04,880 --> 01:09:07,759
Speaker 9: and so forth. And I mean I have a publisher,

1158
01:09:07,880 --> 01:09:10,639
Speaker 9: Eric Mataxas wrote the endorsement on the front of the cover.

1159
01:09:11,040 --> 01:09:13,320
Speaker 9: So I'm not smoking schmuck face, you know, I have

1160
01:09:13,560 --> 01:09:16,320
Speaker 9: a publisher, Post Tail Press, that actually did a couple

1161
01:09:16,400 --> 01:09:19,600
Speaker 9: of Charlie's books as well, and when they tried to

1162
01:09:19,720 --> 01:09:22,360
Speaker 9: upload the book to Amazon it got blocked.

1163
01:09:22,479 --> 01:09:25,400
Speaker 4: Then they got it through and people were buying it.

1164
01:09:25,400 --> 01:09:30,080
Speaker 9: It was really rising through the rankings, and then sometime,

1165
01:09:30,479 --> 01:09:34,200
Speaker 9: I guess on Saturday night or by Sunday morning, people

1166
01:09:34,200 --> 01:09:36,880
Speaker 9: are texting me saying, hey, we can't buy your book.

1167
01:09:36,920 --> 01:09:38,559
Speaker 9: Every time we go to buy it now it says,

1168
01:09:38,560 --> 01:09:42,400
Speaker 9: you know, we can't deliver to the address. So whatever's happened,

1169
01:09:42,439 --> 01:09:46,040
Speaker 9: my book has been throttled and sabotaged, and you know,

1170
01:09:46,080 --> 01:09:48,639
Speaker 9: the publisher's working to get it fixed. But it's really

1171
01:09:48,720 --> 01:09:52,639
Speaker 9: frustrating because you know, this is a book that I

1172
01:09:52,680 --> 01:09:56,360
Speaker 9: feel like it's very important because it refocuses and grounds

1173
01:09:56,360 --> 01:10:01,040
Speaker 9: our movement and Charlie's legacy frankly and moving forward again,

1174
01:10:01,800 --> 01:10:04,040
Speaker 9: and you know it's being.

1175
01:10:04,920 --> 01:10:06,760
Speaker 4: I've never had this happen before, Darren Jeff.

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01:10:06,800 --> 01:10:09,040
Speaker 9: I mean, it's just it's it's I mean, I get

1177
01:10:09,080 --> 01:10:10,840
Speaker 9: some of the concerns out there about people who are

1178
01:10:10,880 --> 01:10:12,639
Speaker 9: writing these AI books or whatever else.

1179
01:10:12,720 --> 01:10:13,320
Speaker 4: This is not that.

1180
01:10:14,240 --> 01:10:17,879
Speaker 9: And yet somehow, you know, my book can't be be purchased.

1181
01:10:17,920 --> 01:10:20,000
Speaker 4: I mean, they'll they'll get it fixed at some point,

1182
01:10:20,080 --> 01:10:21,639
Speaker 4: but you know, I don't. I don't.

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01:10:21,680 --> 01:10:23,880
Speaker 9: I don't really know what to do because I don't

1184
01:10:23,920 --> 01:10:26,519
Speaker 9: want to point fingers in the wrong place. I don't

1185
01:10:26,520 --> 01:10:32,120
Speaker 9: want to pull candas owns. Yeah, I am frustrated, but

1186
01:10:32,320 --> 01:10:35,280
Speaker 9: you know it's just it's tough man.

1187
01:10:35,520 --> 01:10:36,519
Speaker 2: Well it's important.

1188
01:10:36,520 --> 01:10:41,160
Speaker 1: And you addressed this earlier that the title is for

1189
01:10:41,240 --> 01:10:47,720
Speaker 1: Christ and country, Christ first and people. I mean, I

1190
01:10:47,760 --> 01:10:51,480
Speaker 1: don't think people until they started examining in the aftermath

1191
01:10:51,560 --> 01:10:56,719
Speaker 1: of Charlie's death, that that's what Charlie was about. Christ first,

1192
01:10:57,280 --> 01:11:02,280
Speaker 1: Country second, you know, and family probably wedged in between

1193
01:11:02,360 --> 01:11:06,040
Speaker 1: those two because they were so important and dear to him,

1194
01:11:07,080 --> 01:11:10,160
Speaker 1: and uh he was. You made you made the point

1195
01:11:10,200 --> 01:11:14,519
Speaker 1: that his speeches and his rallies for turning Point USA

1196
01:11:14,640 --> 01:11:18,240
Speaker 1: were more like sermons, and you know, then he would

1197
01:11:18,280 --> 01:11:22,479
Speaker 1: open the floor up for people to engage in, you know,

1198
01:11:23,080 --> 01:11:26,200
Speaker 1: a debate, a discussion about the things that he'd addressed

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Speaker 1: in these sermons that he was giving around the country

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01:11:29,320 --> 01:11:30,520
Speaker 1: on college campuses.

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Speaker 9: You speak to that, Yeah, yeah, I mean that's what

1202
01:11:35,240 --> 01:11:37,760
Speaker 9: made Charlie unique and different is that most people want

1203
01:11:37,840 --> 01:11:41,080
Speaker 9: you know, uh, friendly, you know, curated audiences.

1204
01:11:41,400 --> 01:11:43,160
Speaker 4: You know, they need a candy crally.

1205
01:11:42,760 --> 01:11:46,640
Speaker 9: Debate moderator to bail them out, like she bailed Obama

1206
01:11:46,640 --> 01:11:50,519
Speaker 9: out during that debate with mint Romney. And he he

1207
01:11:50,600 --> 01:11:54,280
Speaker 9: had so much conviction that was willing to go into

1208
01:11:54,320 --> 01:11:58,680
Speaker 9: hostile environments and talk because he he had a mastery

1209
01:11:59,040 --> 01:12:00,679
Speaker 9: of the truth and that's all he needed.

1210
01:12:00,680 --> 01:12:03,000
Speaker 4: He didn't need an army at his back.

1211
01:12:03,280 --> 01:12:06,640
Speaker 9: And you know, and that came from his faith, his

1212
01:12:06,760 --> 01:12:10,240
Speaker 9: Christian faith, and you know, his life and death totally

1213
01:12:10,280 --> 01:12:13,080
Speaker 9: transformed me. I mean, when people died in the past

1214
01:12:13,120 --> 01:12:15,720
Speaker 9: for a couple of days, maybe you know, I I

1215
01:12:15,960 --> 01:12:16,800
Speaker 9: thank God for the.

1216
01:12:16,720 --> 01:12:19,040
Speaker 4: Breath of my lungs. I'm a little bit more.

1217
01:12:20,920 --> 01:12:24,439
Speaker 9: Aware of the the you know, shortness, brevity of our

1218
01:12:24,479 --> 01:12:27,120
Speaker 9: time on this earth. But then I get back into

1219
01:12:27,160 --> 01:12:30,240
Speaker 9: the same old routine where it doesn't change. This changed

1220
01:12:30,280 --> 01:12:34,240
Speaker 9: me permanently, And I mean, I can't tell you how

1221
01:12:34,280 --> 01:12:37,200
Speaker 9: much I've been reading scripture and trying to deepen my

1222
01:12:37,360 --> 01:12:40,000
Speaker 9: faith and train like an athlete trains in the gym

1223
01:12:40,040 --> 01:12:44,800
Speaker 9: in terms of from an academic perspective of preparing for

1224
01:12:44,880 --> 01:12:48,720
Speaker 9: debates and mastering my own belief, so that I had

1225
01:12:48,720 --> 01:12:51,759
Speaker 9: that conviction that he had. I'm just I'm not afraid anymore,

1226
01:12:51,880 --> 01:12:53,479
Speaker 9: you know, which is such a weird thing to say

1227
01:12:53,520 --> 01:12:56,040
Speaker 9: because it was so shocking and it is scary to

1228
01:12:56,080 --> 01:12:58,799
Speaker 9: see what happened to a truth teller in this world

1229
01:12:58,800 --> 01:13:01,439
Speaker 9: that embraces life, eyes and hatred.

1230
01:13:02,000 --> 01:13:04,080
Speaker 4: And yet it's you know, to watch.

1231
01:13:03,920 --> 01:13:08,200
Speaker 9: Him basically fulfill what Christ promised us. You know, look,

1232
01:13:08,640 --> 01:13:12,120
Speaker 9: you're you're gonna be persecuted for following me. He took

1233
01:13:12,160 --> 01:13:13,880
Speaker 9: that all the way to the very end. And that's

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01:13:13,880 --> 01:13:16,160
Speaker 9: why also in the book, I say he was absolutely

1235
01:13:16,200 --> 01:13:19,880
Speaker 9: a martyr, and I think that millions of other people

1236
01:13:19,920 --> 01:13:21,320
Speaker 9: have been changed and you're not. There's not gonna be

1237
01:13:21,320 --> 01:13:24,080
Speaker 9: another Charlie Kirk ever again, just like there was never

1238
01:13:24,160 --> 01:13:27,519
Speaker 9: gonna be another Rush Limbaugh. All it's necessary, though, is

1239
01:13:27,560 --> 01:13:30,800
Speaker 9: for people like me and millions of others, thousands of

1240
01:13:30,800 --> 01:13:34,080
Speaker 9: others even to you know, pick up the.

1241
01:13:34,000 --> 01:13:36,880
Speaker 4: Baton and carry Carrie.

1242
01:13:37,000 --> 01:13:38,800
Speaker 9: You know, his race is finished, I guess you could

1243
01:13:38,800 --> 01:13:42,040
Speaker 9: say in ours is just beginning, and you know, we've

1244
01:13:42,080 --> 01:13:44,040
Speaker 9: got to step into the void, not to not to

1245
01:13:44,760 --> 01:13:47,960
Speaker 9: you know, I mean, like I said, he's irreplaceable, but

1246
01:13:48,000 --> 01:13:50,760
Speaker 9: we but we can, we can collectively still fight to

1247
01:13:50,760 --> 01:13:52,479
Speaker 9: continue that legacy and save the country.

1248
01:13:52,920 --> 01:13:55,280
Speaker 4: We just have to have that conviction that he had.

1249
01:13:55,439 --> 01:13:58,960
Speaker 1: Continue to uh attempt to get Drew's book for Christ

1250
01:13:59,160 --> 01:14:03,080
Speaker 1: and Country, The Martyrdom of Charlie Kirk. It should be available,

1251
01:14:03,360 --> 01:14:06,840
Speaker 1: hopefully by this week and this nonsense stops, and Drew,

1252
01:14:07,120 --> 01:14:10,160
Speaker 1: I have some suggested reading for you with what we

1253
01:14:10,360 --> 01:14:11,120
Speaker 1: just talked about.

1254
01:14:12,240 --> 01:14:12,759
Speaker 5: I'm ready.

1255
01:14:12,920 --> 01:14:18,200
Speaker 1: That is Ephesians chapter six, verses ten through twenty, about

1256
01:14:18,240 --> 01:14:24,439
Speaker 1: putting on the armor of God, because our struggle is not,

1257
01:14:24,680 --> 01:14:27,439
Speaker 1: as it says, against flesh and blood, but against the rulers,

1258
01:14:27,439 --> 01:14:30,080
Speaker 1: against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world,

1259
01:14:30,160 --> 01:14:35,439
Speaker 1: and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms. Therefore,

1260
01:14:35,520 --> 01:14:38,320
Speaker 1: put on the full armor of God, so that when

1261
01:14:38,320 --> 01:14:41,040
Speaker 1: the day of evil comes, you're able to stand your ground.

1262
01:14:41,080 --> 01:14:44,840
Speaker 1: And after you've done everything to stand firm, stand firm, then,

1263
01:14:44,960 --> 01:14:47,800
Speaker 1: with the belt of truth buckled around your waist, with

1264
01:14:47,920 --> 01:14:51,160
Speaker 1: a breastplate of righteousness in place, and with your feet

1265
01:14:51,240 --> 01:14:54,639
Speaker 1: fitted with the readiness that comes from the Gospel of peace.

1266
01:14:55,080 --> 01:14:55,479
Speaker 2: Amen.

1267
01:14:57,120 --> 01:14:59,040
Speaker 4: Amen. That's one of my favorite scriptures.

1268
01:14:59,080 --> 01:15:02,479
Speaker 9: And you know we don't live for man's applause.

1269
01:15:02,560 --> 01:15:05,679
Speaker 4: The only applause me to live for is our Lord

1270
01:15:05,680 --> 01:15:06,320
Speaker 4: and saviors.

1271
01:15:06,600 --> 01:15:09,960
Speaker 9: And if you can have that attitude like Charlie, did

1272
01:15:10,880 --> 01:15:15,360
Speaker 9: you know you are unstoppable in terms of you know,

1273
01:15:15,400 --> 01:15:16,679
Speaker 9: your journey on this earth.

1274
01:15:16,720 --> 01:15:19,160
Speaker 4: I mean, you know they can kill you. But look

1275
01:15:19,439 --> 01:15:20,559
Speaker 4: look what his murder did.

1276
01:15:20,600 --> 01:15:24,680
Speaker 2: I mean, I know it's amazing. Drew. Great luck with

1277
01:15:24,720 --> 01:15:25,960
Speaker 2: the book and we'll talk soon.

1278
01:15:25,840 --> 01:15:28,799
Speaker 4: Okay, friend, thanks brother, love you.

1279
01:15:28,600 --> 01:15:29,000
Speaker 5: You got it.

1280
01:15:29,040 --> 01:15:29,799
Speaker 2: Merry Christmas?

1281
01:15:30,640 --> 01:15:34,439
Speaker 1: Uh break and then back a lot more nightcap to come,

1282
01:15:34,800 --> 01:15:40,000
Speaker 1: tagging our scheduled guest Bill Convoys. So in lieu of that,

1283
01:15:40,800 --> 01:15:44,760
Speaker 1: a very interesting interview I did last year well a

1284
01:15:44,800 --> 01:15:50,120
Speaker 1: man named Shotgun Tom Kelly on American History on the radio.

1285
01:15:50,439 --> 01:15:54,920
Speaker 1: Here is part two of that convo with the shotgun.

1286
01:15:55,680 --> 01:15:59,440
Speaker 10: They lie in boothills all through the West, the outlaws,

1287
01:15:59,560 --> 01:16:02,439
Speaker 10: the guns, the bit of the kids, and wiss say,

1288
01:16:02,479 --> 01:16:04,560
Speaker 10: a fellow like the cow that shot Bill Hiccock in

1289
01:16:04,600 --> 01:16:07,200
Speaker 10: the back. There's always one like that and every time

1290
01:16:07,200 --> 01:16:11,280
Speaker 10: of history. Sure most of them were vomits, but every

1291
01:16:11,280 --> 01:16:14,040
Speaker 10: once in a while and one of them I may

1292
01:16:14,040 --> 01:16:15,200
Speaker 10: have lived a man.

1293
01:16:18,560 --> 01:16:22,920
Speaker 1: We talked about Lauren Green and Ringo in our first segment.

1294
01:16:22,960 --> 01:16:27,360
Speaker 1: We're talking with Shotgun Tom Kelly, who has the same

1295
01:16:27,479 --> 01:16:30,559
Speaker 1: kind of voice as Lauren Green did. My God, he's

1296
01:16:30,600 --> 01:16:35,080
Speaker 1: a Monster American History on the radio. Shotgun Tom is

1297
01:16:35,120 --> 01:16:39,320
Speaker 1: our guest for the rest of this hour, and we're back.

1298
01:16:40,000 --> 01:16:44,240
Speaker 1: I wanted to ask you, Tom about your dad because

1299
01:16:44,600 --> 01:16:46,640
Speaker 1: in Tom's new book, all I want to do is

1300
01:16:46,680 --> 01:16:49,479
Speaker 1: play the hits out now on Amazon and anywhere you

1301
01:16:49,520 --> 01:16:53,120
Speaker 1: buy books about his career. In his life, you talk

1302
01:16:53,160 --> 01:16:56,800
Speaker 1: a lot about your dad, who was a train engineer

1303
01:16:56,880 --> 01:16:59,400
Speaker 1: back in the day, and there's stories in the book

1304
01:16:59,800 --> 01:17:01,720
Speaker 1: like the one you're gonna kind of share with us.

1305
01:17:01,760 --> 01:17:03,120
Speaker 2: Now, tell me about your dad.

1306
01:17:03,800 --> 01:17:07,639
Speaker 7: Yeah, dad was a locomotive train engineer for the Santa

1307
01:17:07,680 --> 01:17:11,599
Speaker 7: Fe in San Diego. And I remember Dad came home

1308
01:17:12,240 --> 01:17:15,519
Speaker 7: and he said, this actor they had a film crew

1309
01:17:15,560 --> 01:17:17,960
Speaker 7: there and they wanted now this is later on in

1310
01:17:18,040 --> 01:17:23,960
Speaker 7: the in the late fifties, and this actor Dad had

1311
01:17:24,000 --> 01:17:26,759
Speaker 7: to get on his knees and bring the F seven,

1312
01:17:26,880 --> 01:17:30,720
Speaker 7: which is the war bonnet, the red war bonnet, a

1313
01:17:30,760 --> 01:17:34,479
Speaker 7: beautiful engine into San Diego. And so the film crew

1314
01:17:34,560 --> 01:17:37,599
Speaker 7: from the television station was filming that had this guy

1315
01:17:37,760 --> 01:17:41,560
Speaker 7: get off. He was portrayed as an engineer, so he

1316
01:17:41,640 --> 01:17:44,360
Speaker 7: got he was an actor. But he got off the

1317
01:17:44,439 --> 01:17:47,000
Speaker 7: F seven Santa Fe engine and walked into the depot

1318
01:17:47,040 --> 01:17:47,599
Speaker 7: and then they.

1319
01:17:47,520 --> 01:17:51,280
Speaker 5: Cut and turns out he was my favorite.

1320
01:17:51,000 --> 01:17:54,599
Speaker 7: Children's show host. His name was Johnny Downs. He used

1321
01:17:54,640 --> 01:17:58,599
Speaker 7: to be Johnny of Our Gang, and so for years

1322
01:17:58,680 --> 01:18:01,360
Speaker 7: as a kid, I used to watch him on the

1323
01:18:01,439 --> 01:18:04,320
Speaker 7: air and I used to say, Hey, my dad is

1324
01:18:04,400 --> 01:18:09,120
Speaker 7: Johnny Downs's engineer. He portrayed an engineer, see, so just

1325
01:18:09,200 --> 01:18:13,840
Speaker 7: like engineer Bill in LA. But yeah, my dad told

1326
01:18:13,840 --> 01:18:18,000
Speaker 7: me that story, and he told me another story. He

1327
01:18:19,439 --> 01:18:21,840
Speaker 7: got the nod to be the engineer on the presidential

1328
01:18:21,920 --> 01:18:24,960
Speaker 7: train to bring the President of the United States into

1329
01:18:25,040 --> 01:18:28,840
Speaker 7: San Diego, picked him up in Los Angeles, came to

1330
01:18:28,880 --> 01:18:34,280
Speaker 7: San Diego, and then my dad hates crowds. He looked

1331
01:18:34,280 --> 01:18:37,280
Speaker 7: out one side of the engine and there were thousands

1332
01:18:37,320 --> 01:18:39,840
Speaker 7: of people waiting to see hear the president and see him.

1333
01:18:40,360 --> 01:18:43,200
Speaker 7: He looked out the other side and there was nobody, Gary,

1334
01:18:43,560 --> 01:18:44,160
Speaker 7: nobody there.

1335
01:18:44,200 --> 01:18:45,040
Speaker 5: So this was.

1336
01:18:45,000 --> 01:18:48,600
Speaker 7: My dad's job, was done his This is his opportunity

1337
01:18:48,680 --> 01:18:50,840
Speaker 7: to get out of there. He grabbed his grip, he

1338
01:18:50,880 --> 01:18:53,120
Speaker 7: got off the engine and he was making his way

1339
01:18:53,120 --> 01:18:56,160
Speaker 7: to his car as fast as possible, and this guy

1340
01:18:56,240 --> 01:19:01,880
Speaker 7: stopped him. He said, I've been with these foes all day.

1341
01:19:01,880 --> 01:19:05,760
Speaker 7: You're the engineer, aren't you. And my dad said, yes,

1342
01:19:05,920 --> 01:19:09,320
Speaker 7: mister President, I am. It was Harry Truman. Wow in

1343
01:19:09,400 --> 01:19:12,280
Speaker 7: nineteen forty eight. Yeah, so, annyway, my dad walked about

1344
01:19:12,280 --> 01:19:15,000
Speaker 7: one hundred yards with Harry and then the Secret Service

1345
01:19:15,000 --> 01:19:19,040
Speaker 7: got ahold of him. He bitted my dad goodbye, and

1346
01:19:19,360 --> 01:19:21,560
Speaker 7: then he spoke to the people. But you know, my

1347
01:19:21,680 --> 01:19:25,000
Speaker 7: dad told that story and it was one of his favorites.

1348
01:19:25,040 --> 01:19:27,519
Speaker 7: And I said, I'd love to meet a president someday.

1349
01:19:27,920 --> 01:19:30,160
Speaker 7: So my congressman got me the job of doing the

1350
01:19:30,280 --> 01:19:33,360
Speaker 7: MC job for a president who came to San Diego.

1351
01:19:33,360 --> 01:19:36,200
Speaker 7: And I did, and so he says, I have an idea.

1352
01:19:36,880 --> 01:19:39,720
Speaker 7: Why don't you you know your trademark, ranger. You don't

1353
01:19:39,720 --> 01:19:41,960
Speaker 7: have a smokey the bear hat that I wear because

1354
01:19:42,000 --> 01:19:46,519
Speaker 7: I did children's television for seventeen years locally here in

1355
01:19:46,560 --> 01:19:49,920
Speaker 7: San Diego and on my syndicated show Words of Poppin

1356
01:19:50,439 --> 01:19:53,599
Speaker 7: was syndicated around the country and I won two Emmys

1357
01:19:53,640 --> 01:19:54,080
Speaker 7: for that show.

1358
01:19:54,080 --> 01:19:56,360
Speaker 5: But anyway, the hat is a.

1359
01:19:56,200 --> 01:19:59,720
Speaker 7: Traditional thing that I've had in my career, and so

1360
01:20:01,080 --> 01:20:04,240
Speaker 7: I wanted to meet a president. So anyway, Duncan Hunter,

1361
01:20:04,320 --> 01:20:07,880
Speaker 7: my congressman made it happen. I went to the White

1362
01:20:07,880 --> 01:20:11,960
Speaker 7: House and this is all in the book. It's a

1363
01:20:12,000 --> 01:20:16,400
Speaker 7: deeper story in the book. But anyway, we're waiting outside

1364
01:20:16,400 --> 01:20:21,880
Speaker 7: the Oval office. Gary White House staff member comes and

1365
01:20:22,080 --> 01:20:24,920
Speaker 7: to tell us. And by the way, that hallway outside

1366
01:20:24,960 --> 01:20:28,679
Speaker 7: the oval it's not that big anyway, he said, duncan, Shotgun,

1367
01:20:28,760 --> 01:20:30,920
Speaker 7: the president is better to see you. So we go

1368
01:20:30,960 --> 01:20:34,479
Speaker 7: in the Oval office. The President is behind the resolute desk.

1369
01:20:35,120 --> 01:20:37,679
Speaker 7: He gets up from the resolute desk and he walks

1370
01:20:37,720 --> 01:20:39,240
Speaker 7: over to the shell bookcase.

1371
01:20:39,720 --> 01:20:41,920
Speaker 5: Well, Gary, he knows my name.

1372
01:20:43,240 --> 01:20:47,120
Speaker 7: He said, well, Shotgun, I understand that you were the

1373
01:20:47,200 --> 01:20:50,360
Speaker 7: MC and kept the people entertained why they're waiting for

1374
01:20:50,479 --> 01:20:54,040
Speaker 7: me in San Diego. And I said, yes, mister President.

1375
01:20:53,680 --> 01:20:56,840
Speaker 5: I did. And I bring you my trademark ranger.

1376
01:20:56,479 --> 01:20:58,920
Speaker 7: Hat, and I hope you'll put it on. And he goes,

1377
01:20:58,960 --> 01:21:02,280
Speaker 7: well he put it on. It was President Ronald Reagan

1378
01:21:02,880 --> 01:21:03,320
Speaker 7: in the book.

1379
01:21:03,479 --> 01:21:08,000
Speaker 2: That's a great Reagan impression. You do that really? Well, oh, well,

1380
01:21:08,080 --> 01:21:10,320
Speaker 2: I had a little nay.

1381
01:21:11,680 --> 01:21:12,400
Speaker 5: Michael Reagan.

1382
01:21:12,600 --> 01:21:15,120
Speaker 7: Michael Reagan, his son is friend of mine. And when

1383
01:21:15,160 --> 01:21:17,320
Speaker 7: you get a copy, you get a stamp. It's not

1384
01:21:17,400 --> 01:21:21,160
Speaker 7: really the president's signature. But in the book, if you look, uh,

1385
01:21:21,200 --> 01:21:22,840
Speaker 7: in the book, all I want to do is play

1386
01:21:22,880 --> 01:21:26,559
Speaker 7: the hits available on Amazon and Barnesanoble dot com.

1387
01:21:27,040 --> 01:21:28,519
Speaker 5: Uh. If you go in.

1388
01:21:28,439 --> 01:21:33,799
Speaker 7: There, you will see uh the president's signature. Michael Reagan

1389
01:21:34,280 --> 01:21:37,320
Speaker 7: went to his dad and Santa Barbara and actually had

1390
01:21:37,400 --> 01:21:41,280
Speaker 7: him sign that's actually his signature and it's not a stamp.

1391
01:21:41,800 --> 01:21:42,839
Speaker 5: I value that.

1392
01:21:42,840 --> 01:21:47,400
Speaker 1: That's phenomenal because of your dad's involvement with trains, You've

1393
01:21:47,439 --> 01:21:50,240
Speaker 1: had a continuing lifelong love of trains.

1394
01:21:49,840 --> 01:21:50,200
Speaker 2: Haven't you.

1395
01:21:50,320 --> 01:21:52,320
Speaker 5: Tom Oh. Absolutely.

1396
01:21:52,680 --> 01:21:54,920
Speaker 7: But the problem is when I was a kid, I

1397
01:21:55,000 --> 01:21:58,720
Speaker 7: was I came home from the train store and I said, Dad,

1398
01:21:58,760 --> 01:22:00,880
Speaker 7: I'd like to have a train, said, and he goes

1399
01:22:01,080 --> 01:22:03,800
Speaker 7: nothing doing sun I worked sixteen hours a day.

1400
01:22:03,800 --> 01:22:06,400
Speaker 5: I don't want to see him when I come home. Yeah.

1401
01:22:06,760 --> 01:22:14,559
Speaker 7: So anyway, and so maybe now as an adult, I

1402
01:22:14,680 --> 01:22:18,000
Speaker 7: had somebody else build my train layout twenty five thousand

1403
01:22:18,040 --> 01:22:21,000
Speaker 7: dollars Lloyd's Layouts of Los Angeles.

1404
01:22:21,000 --> 01:22:22,439
Speaker 5: They do a marvelous job.

1405
01:22:22,920 --> 01:22:25,920
Speaker 7: And I've got a downtown area, residential area, I've got

1406
01:22:25,920 --> 01:22:30,880
Speaker 7: four industrial areas plus a yard and the hero in

1407
01:22:30,920 --> 01:22:33,960
Speaker 7: the downtown area. I've always wanted this because I've never

1408
01:22:34,000 --> 01:22:38,800
Speaker 7: seen another train layout with an AM FMTV station right

1409
01:22:38,840 --> 01:22:41,680
Speaker 7: downtown and I had a tower, yeah, tower for the

1410
01:22:41,760 --> 01:22:47,120
Speaker 7: big tower, you know, not the one like WLWS, which

1411
01:22:47,160 --> 01:22:51,000
Speaker 7: is a standing tower, but it's a tower on my layout,

1412
01:22:51,120 --> 01:22:54,320
Speaker 7: and yeah, I have lots of fun with it. And

1413
01:22:54,800 --> 01:22:57,400
Speaker 7: if any of your listeners are ever in San Diego,

1414
01:22:58,680 --> 01:23:03,400
Speaker 7: I'm going to run train every Wednesday from one to

1415
01:23:03,600 --> 01:23:07,960
Speaker 7: four and they can come out to the San Diego

1416
01:23:07,960 --> 01:23:10,679
Speaker 7: Model Railroad Museum very near the world famous San Diego

1417
01:23:10,760 --> 01:23:13,040
Speaker 7: Zoo and they could see me run trains and I

1418
01:23:13,080 --> 01:23:16,160
Speaker 7: get to visit with them on my show on Sirius

1419
01:23:16,320 --> 01:23:19,280
Speaker 7: XM sixties go Old Channel seventies, where I've mentioned that

1420
01:23:19,640 --> 01:23:21,439
Speaker 7: and I've had lots of people come out.

1421
01:23:21,479 --> 01:23:22,080
Speaker 5: It's amazing.

1422
01:23:22,439 --> 01:23:23,280
Speaker 2: I bet you have.

1423
01:23:24,280 --> 01:23:28,559
Speaker 1: What was your first radio job, Tom, very first.

1424
01:23:28,360 --> 01:23:31,240
Speaker 7: First radio Yeah, the very first one. I was sixteen

1425
01:23:31,320 --> 01:23:34,840
Speaker 7: years old. I was hanging around a radio station in

1426
01:23:34,880 --> 01:23:38,240
Speaker 7: the week and then the weekend guy was the program

1427
01:23:38,280 --> 01:23:41,479
Speaker 7: director of this FM station now Gary. As you know,

1428
01:23:42,560 --> 01:23:47,040
Speaker 7: FM back in nineteen sixty six was like a background

1429
01:23:47,160 --> 01:23:50,400
Speaker 7: music thing. AM was the big deal and if you

1430
01:23:50,439 --> 01:23:52,280
Speaker 7: want to really wanted to be on a big station,

1431
01:23:52,360 --> 01:23:55,400
Speaker 7: you had to be on an AM station like KCBQ,

1432
01:23:55,960 --> 01:23:57,920
Speaker 7: like KGB.

1433
01:23:57,760 --> 01:23:59,720
Speaker 5: Like wl W.

1434
01:24:00,479 --> 01:24:04,679
Speaker 7: You know. But I love those call letters man anyway,

1435
01:24:05,320 --> 01:24:07,559
Speaker 7: So I got a job at ANFM station on the

1436
01:24:07,600 --> 01:24:12,719
Speaker 7: weekends on Sunday because nobody wanted Nobody wants to work Sunday.

1437
01:24:13,200 --> 01:24:17,480
Speaker 7: So George Manning, who was working weekends at radio station KDO,

1438
01:24:18,080 --> 01:24:19,599
Speaker 7: where I made my little tapes for.

1439
01:24:19,600 --> 01:24:23,280
Speaker 5: My bootleg station. Anyway, he said, how would you like

1440
01:24:23,360 --> 01:24:25,799
Speaker 5: to do Sunday morning at KPRI.

1441
01:24:25,880 --> 01:24:28,720
Speaker 7: I said, I'd love that. So I was sixteen years

1442
01:24:28,760 --> 01:24:31,080
Speaker 7: old and I got my first job on the air

1443
01:24:31,320 --> 01:24:37,639
Speaker 7: Sunday morning playing jazz Frank Sinatra, Sergio Mendez and Brazil

1444
01:24:37,720 --> 01:24:38,840
Speaker 7: sixty six That's.

1445
01:24:38,720 --> 01:24:39,880
Speaker 5: How I remember.

1446
01:24:39,920 --> 01:24:43,360
Speaker 7: It was sixty six, and then of course we stopped

1447
01:24:43,400 --> 01:24:46,840
Speaker 7: down at eight o'clock. I did a children's radio show,

1448
01:24:47,360 --> 01:24:50,439
Speaker 7: which remember I've always wanted to be a children's show

1449
01:24:50,520 --> 01:24:54,559
Speaker 7: host sometime in my career, and I got that because

1450
01:24:54,720 --> 01:24:57,760
Speaker 7: I was I did Words of Poppin', which is a

1451
01:24:57,760 --> 01:25:01,639
Speaker 7: word game show for kids. Graw Hill own the show

1452
01:25:01,680 --> 01:25:03,760
Speaker 7: and that went for five years. And then I did

1453
01:25:04,400 --> 01:25:07,320
Speaker 7: the KUSI Kids Club with the cartoons and everything for

1454
01:25:07,360 --> 01:25:11,840
Speaker 7: about twelve years here in San Diego. So that was

1455
01:25:11,880 --> 01:25:15,120
Speaker 7: my first kid show on radio, and it was when

1456
01:25:15,120 --> 01:25:15,799
Speaker 7: I was sixteen.

1457
01:25:16,280 --> 01:25:19,920
Speaker 2: So what made you so interested in doing children's programming.

1458
01:25:21,200 --> 01:25:25,240
Speaker 7: Well, you've got to realize we all have heroes. Frank

1459
01:25:25,320 --> 01:25:28,960
Speaker 7: Thompson was my radio hero, and Johnny downs was my

1460
01:25:29,120 --> 01:25:33,920
Speaker 7: television hero because my dad was Johnny Downes's engineer on

1461
01:25:33,960 --> 01:25:35,400
Speaker 7: that show Oh Wow.

1462
01:25:36,160 --> 01:25:38,200
Speaker 5: And he was so good. He was so great.

1463
01:25:38,360 --> 01:25:41,800
Speaker 7: Johnny Downs was and I talk about him in the

1464
01:25:41,800 --> 01:25:44,600
Speaker 7: book because Johnny and I were both in for an

1465
01:25:44,640 --> 01:25:48,000
Speaker 7: audition for this Words of Poppin' show and I walk

1466
01:25:48,120 --> 01:25:51,200
Speaker 7: in and I said, Johnny, are you here to audition?

1467
01:25:51,720 --> 01:25:53,439
Speaker 7: He said, yes, I am. I said, well, listen, I'm

1468
01:25:53,439 --> 01:25:55,080
Speaker 7: going to get out of here. You're going to do

1469
01:25:55,120 --> 01:25:57,600
Speaker 7: Words of Pop and I'm going to watch every Saturday.

1470
01:25:57,840 --> 01:26:00,759
Speaker 7: He said, you have just as much right to audition

1471
01:26:00,840 --> 01:26:03,960
Speaker 7: as I do. So he gave me a cup of

1472
01:26:03,960 --> 01:26:07,120
Speaker 7: coffee out of his thermos, and he walked in did

1473
01:26:07,160 --> 01:26:12,480
Speaker 7: his audition, and he came back out and he says, Shotgun, congratulations.

1474
01:26:12,479 --> 01:26:14,720
Speaker 7: I hope you do your best. So I went in

1475
01:26:14,760 --> 01:26:18,000
Speaker 7: and did my audition for Words of Poppin' and then

1476
01:26:18,240 --> 01:26:20,519
Speaker 7: I left, and I knew.

1477
01:26:20,360 --> 01:26:21,719
Speaker 5: Johnny was going to get the job.

1478
01:26:21,760 --> 01:26:24,920
Speaker 7: I just knew it because he had the experience, and

1479
01:26:25,000 --> 01:26:28,800
Speaker 7: so I didn't hear from the people for like weeks.

1480
01:26:29,560 --> 01:26:30,920
Speaker 5: All of a sudden I got a phone call.

1481
01:26:30,840 --> 01:26:32,880
Speaker 7: From the producer, you got the job. I said, wait

1482
01:26:32,880 --> 01:26:35,479
Speaker 7: a minute, you got the wrong guy, Johnny Downs. You

1483
01:26:35,520 --> 01:26:38,679
Speaker 7: need to hire him. He said, no, you related more

1484
01:26:38,720 --> 01:26:43,120
Speaker 7: to the kids than Johnny did. And so I did

1485
01:26:43,120 --> 01:26:47,360
Speaker 7: that show for five years. And that story is also

1486
01:26:47,880 --> 01:26:48,760
Speaker 7: in the book.

1487
01:26:48,760 --> 01:26:54,679
Speaker 1: What a Feather in Your Cap To actually supersede your

1488
01:26:54,800 --> 01:26:59,960
Speaker 1: childhood television host hero and take a job, that's an

1489
01:27:00,040 --> 01:27:00,800
Speaker 1: incredible time.

1490
01:27:01,760 --> 01:27:03,600
Speaker 7: Well that's happened again because you know what when I

1491
01:27:03,680 --> 01:27:05,720
Speaker 7: got the job at Kate Earth one O one in

1492
01:27:05,760 --> 01:27:09,879
Speaker 7: Los Angeles. Uh, the real Don Steele we all remember there.

1493
01:27:09,880 --> 01:27:10,599
Speaker 5: The real Don.

1494
01:27:10,400 --> 01:27:13,320
Speaker 7: Steele's voice is used in the movie Once upon a

1495
01:27:13,360 --> 01:27:14,360
Speaker 7: Time in Hollywood.

1496
01:27:14,760 --> 01:27:16,040
Speaker 5: I'm Burial dold Field.

1497
01:27:16,120 --> 01:27:18,400
Speaker 7: Right, you know when when Brad Pitt gets in the

1498
01:27:18,400 --> 01:27:21,080
Speaker 7: car and he turns on the ignition, that's the ninety

1499
01:27:21,080 --> 01:27:21,960
Speaker 7: three k h J.

1500
01:27:22,280 --> 01:27:23,599
Speaker 5: I'm Burial dolds Field.

1501
01:27:23,640 --> 01:27:24,000
Speaker 7: There we go.

1502
01:27:24,080 --> 01:27:26,719
Speaker 3: You know that that's his voice.

1503
01:27:26,760 --> 01:27:27,200
Speaker 5: That's what.

1504
01:27:27,640 --> 01:27:30,559
Speaker 7: So anyway, when he passed away, and he was one

1505
01:27:30,600 --> 01:27:34,799
Speaker 7: of my radio heroes, I loved the real Don Steele

1506
01:27:35,400 --> 01:27:39,280
Speaker 7: and Wolfman Jack. I became friends with Wolfman Jack.

1507
01:27:39,640 --> 01:27:41,920
Speaker 5: But I only met the real Don Steele three.

1508
01:27:42,240 --> 01:27:45,519
Speaker 2: Howl yeah when he passed away, Go ahead, I'm sorry.

1509
01:27:46,360 --> 01:27:51,560
Speaker 7: Well, when he passed away, Frank, they had the memorial

1510
01:27:52,200 --> 01:27:56,320
Speaker 7: and Mike Phillips, the program director, was looking for somebody

1511
01:27:56,400 --> 01:28:00,439
Speaker 7: to succeed the real Don Steele. He told me this,

1512
01:28:00,600 --> 01:28:03,240
Speaker 7: He said, he closed the door of his office and

1513
01:28:03,280 --> 01:28:06,880
Speaker 7: he said a prayer, and he said, God, please help

1514
01:28:06,920 --> 01:28:09,679
Speaker 7: me find the right guy. And there was a whisper

1515
01:28:09,720 --> 01:28:15,280
Speaker 7: that came into his mind, shot Don domb and he

1516
01:28:15,400 --> 01:28:18,160
Speaker 7: called me and he hired me, and I was there

1517
01:28:18,200 --> 01:28:19,120
Speaker 7: for twenty years.

1518
01:28:19,439 --> 01:28:20,440
Speaker 2: That's amazing.

1519
01:28:20,760 --> 01:28:23,719
Speaker 1: Now, and you talk about what a couple of great

1520
01:28:23,840 --> 01:28:27,080
Speaker 1: radio legends to have, as you know, as friends and

1521
01:28:27,200 --> 01:28:30,880
Speaker 1: successors or whatever you succeed them, the real Don Steele

1522
01:28:30,920 --> 01:28:32,000
Speaker 1: and Wolfman Jack.

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01:28:32,400 --> 01:28:35,120
Speaker 2: What was Robert like in person?

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01:28:35,280 --> 01:28:38,439
Speaker 7: Robert was a good friend mine before I came to

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01:28:38,520 --> 01:28:41,160
Speaker 7: ca Earth. He was We used to watch sixty minutes,

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01:28:41,560 --> 01:28:43,880
Speaker 7: and we after the sixty minutes, we always used to,

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01:28:44,240 --> 01:28:48,360
Speaker 7: you know, talk about it after the show. I was

1528
01:28:48,400 --> 01:28:51,479
Speaker 7: so anyway, I guess I was out after sixty minutes

1529
01:28:51,520 --> 01:28:53,880
Speaker 7: one time and he called my house and my wife

1530
01:28:53,960 --> 01:28:55,040
Speaker 7: Linda entered the phone.

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01:28:55,080 --> 01:28:57,200
Speaker 5: She said hello, and he says, yeah, this is R. W.

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01:28:57,360 --> 01:28:58,439
Speaker 5: Margan a shotgun there.

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01:28:59,400 --> 01:29:04,920
Speaker 7: No he's not well tell him. Robert called and she said, okay, Bob.

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01:29:04,880 --> 01:29:08,120
Speaker 5: No, no, Bob lives here. He hated to be called Bob.

1535
01:29:08,479 --> 01:29:10,799
Speaker 5: It was always Robert W. Morgan.

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01:29:11,160 --> 01:29:13,880
Speaker 7: But anyway, No, he was a he was a good guy.

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01:29:14,400 --> 01:29:19,920
Speaker 7: He was he was firm, he was eccentric. H he

1538
01:29:19,960 --> 01:29:22,800
Speaker 7: but but to me he was a good guy. But

1539
01:29:23,000 --> 01:29:27,000
Speaker 7: some people aggravated him and and I guess he.

1540
01:29:27,040 --> 01:29:27,439
Speaker 5: Got a wreck.

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01:29:27,520 --> 01:29:31,000
Speaker 1: Well when I said Robert, I meant wolfman Jack as

1542
01:29:31,040 --> 01:29:31,840
Speaker 1: his real name was.

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01:29:32,040 --> 01:29:35,120
Speaker 2: First name was Robert Smith, Bob Smith.

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01:29:35,200 --> 01:29:37,439
Speaker 5: Yeah, oh yeah, but that's also in the book.

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01:29:37,960 --> 01:29:38,080
Speaker 4: Uh.

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01:29:38,680 --> 01:29:41,639
Speaker 7: By the way, my book has got happiness, but it's

1547
01:29:41,640 --> 01:29:44,519
Speaker 7: got ups and downs. Sure, there's some things in my

1548
01:29:44,640 --> 01:29:48,280
Speaker 7: life that happened that I'm not too proud of.

1549
01:29:48,680 --> 01:29:52,360
Speaker 5: And uh uh my house got raided by the police.

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01:29:52,439 --> 01:29:55,519
Speaker 5: That's in the book. Uh. And it was because I

1551
01:29:55,640 --> 01:29:56,880
Speaker 5: did these tonight shows.

1552
01:29:56,920 --> 01:29:59,840
Speaker 7: I built a tonight show, said way before Kramer and

1553
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:04,519
Speaker 7: my garage and very professionally done, had a crew, and

1554
01:30:04,600 --> 01:30:07,960
Speaker 7: I had the Sheriff of San Diego County, the chief

1555
01:30:08,000 --> 01:30:11,600
Speaker 7: of police, and I played ed McMahon and so we

1556
01:30:12,040 --> 01:30:15,040
Speaker 7: did this show and it was a cult favorite of

1557
01:30:15,040 --> 01:30:15,840
Speaker 7: both departments.

1558
01:30:15,880 --> 01:30:18,920
Speaker 5: After seven years, there was some murders.

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01:30:18,600 --> 01:30:22,599
Speaker 7: That happened here in San Diego of prostitutes, and so

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01:30:22,680 --> 01:30:26,000
Speaker 7: they thought the police was going to, you know, defend

1561
01:30:26,160 --> 01:30:31,280
Speaker 7: their officers. They thought an officer killed this prostitute. So

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01:30:31,360 --> 01:30:34,960
Speaker 7: they took it away away from the local police department,

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01:30:35,000 --> 01:30:38,640
Speaker 7: and the state Attorney General formed a homicide task force.

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01:30:38,680 --> 01:30:41,719
Speaker 5: And they raided my house. Gary And in the front.

1565
01:30:41,880 --> 01:30:44,000
Speaker 7: Now I was doing the kids show over at KUSI

1566
01:30:44,200 --> 01:30:46,800
Speaker 7: at the end and the front. You know, I always

1567
01:30:46,800 --> 01:30:48,800
Speaker 7: wanted to be on the front page of the paper,

1568
01:30:48,800 --> 01:30:52,280
Speaker 7: above the fold. The headline was seven hundred and fifty

1569
01:30:52,360 --> 01:30:57,920
Speaker 7: tapes seized in murdered probe. Anyway, a lot of the

1570
01:30:57,960 --> 01:30:59,320
Speaker 7: reporters were coming out.

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01:30:59,160 --> 01:31:03,960
Speaker 5: And you know, yeah by the way, yeah yeah.

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01:31:04,000 --> 01:31:08,720
Speaker 7: Anyway, they Heisman Trophy winner Johnny Rogers said that he

1573
01:31:08,880 --> 01:31:11,040
Speaker 7: one of the dead prostitutes was on the.

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01:31:11,000 --> 01:31:12,479
Speaker 5: Show, and that was a lie.

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01:31:12,520 --> 01:31:15,400
Speaker 7: So that's why they rated the house.

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01:31:16,960 --> 01:31:17,719
Speaker 2: We got left.

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01:31:17,880 --> 01:31:21,160
Speaker 1: We have two minutes, Tom, right around two minutes, and

1578
01:31:21,200 --> 01:31:23,320
Speaker 1: I want to hear about the Hollywood the Star and

1579
01:31:23,360 --> 01:31:26,599
Speaker 1: the Hollywood Walk of Fame. Shotgun Tom Kelly has a star,

1580
01:31:27,680 --> 01:31:33,400
Speaker 1: and radio people don't don't get radio people don't get stars.

1581
01:31:34,680 --> 01:31:37,120
Speaker 7: No, they don't like giving them to radio people. But

1582
01:31:37,920 --> 01:31:42,280
Speaker 7: I had to wait for mine. But you know, Robert W.

1583
01:31:42,360 --> 01:31:45,760
Speaker 7: Morgan had a star, the real Don Steele had a star.

1584
01:31:45,920 --> 01:31:49,000
Speaker 7: So t Earth was really the radio station of the

1585
01:31:49,080 --> 01:31:54,479
Speaker 7: rock stars for disc jockeys. So anyway, I got rejected

1586
01:31:54,479 --> 01:31:56,400
Speaker 7: the first year, the second year, but then the third

1587
01:31:56,439 --> 01:31:59,560
Speaker 7: year I got my star, and I asked Stevie.

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01:31:59,280 --> 01:32:01,400
Speaker 5: Wonder to beat my speaker, and he was there.

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01:32:01,520 --> 01:32:06,120
Speaker 7: Along with Art Leveau and Johnny Mathis and my program director,

1590
01:32:06,960 --> 01:32:10,639
Speaker 7: Johnny Ka he was also a speaker, and thousands of people,

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01:32:10,760 --> 01:32:14,200
Speaker 7: I mean, maybe I shouldn't say thousands. Hundreds of people

1592
01:32:14,560 --> 01:32:18,000
Speaker 7: showed up, including radio's best friend Art Volo.

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01:32:18,120 --> 01:32:20,759
Speaker 1: He was there to patcha there there you go, two mentions.

1594
01:32:20,960 --> 01:32:24,880
Speaker 1: Art got two mentions. That's perfect. The book is all

1595
01:32:24,960 --> 01:32:27,120
Speaker 1: I want to do is play the hits, and he

1596
01:32:27,160 --> 01:32:32,559
Speaker 1: has been doing it successfully and supersedingly successfully now for

1597
01:32:32,640 --> 01:32:35,720
Speaker 1: decades and decades and decades. The one and only Shotgun

1598
01:32:35,760 --> 01:32:40,160
Speaker 1: Tom Kelly from Sirius XM's sixties gold our guest on

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01:32:40,280 --> 01:32:43,200
Speaker 1: American History on the radio, and Tom It's been such

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01:32:43,200 --> 01:32:45,160
Speaker 1: a pleasure and I know we could go on like

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01:32:45,200 --> 01:32:47,360
Speaker 1: this for hours, but unfortunately.

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01:32:46,920 --> 01:32:47,439
Speaker 5: Yeah we can't.

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01:32:47,600 --> 01:32:48,160
Speaker 2: That's the time with.

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01:32:48,280 --> 01:32:51,040
Speaker 7: Jarry, you are such a big time guy. I am

1605
01:32:51,160 --> 01:32:54,559
Speaker 7: just delighted to be on your show because you've had

1606
01:32:54,600 --> 01:32:57,599
Speaker 7: Pat Saint John, You've had flash Stelps, and now you've

1607
01:32:57,600 --> 01:32:58,000
Speaker 7: got me.

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01:32:58,920 --> 01:33:01,840
Speaker 5: Thank you, Sank, thank you, thank you.

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01:33:02,400 --> 01:33:07,480
Speaker 1: The shotgun On the nightcap, we continue of this nightcap

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01:33:07,920 --> 01:33:11,360
Speaker 1: from Monday, December fifteenth, twenty twenty five. Gary, Jeff and

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01:33:12,120 --> 01:33:14,000
Speaker 1: I got to tell you we got some sports for

1612
01:33:14,040 --> 01:33:17,160
Speaker 1: the out of sorts. And it was a terrible weekend

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01:33:17,240 --> 01:33:21,920
Speaker 1: for football fans like me and maybe like the wild Man.

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01:33:21,960 --> 01:33:25,519
Speaker 1: It was just not a great weekend of football in

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01:33:25,600 --> 01:33:26,600
Speaker 1: the NFL.

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01:33:26,360 --> 01:33:28,400
Speaker 2: Or the Heisman's or you know.

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01:33:28,479 --> 01:33:32,639
Speaker 1: The only bright light all weekend long to me, wild Man,

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01:33:33,080 --> 01:33:36,880
Speaker 1: was the fact that my dad's Navy beat the Army

1619
01:33:37,160 --> 01:33:40,840
Speaker 1: seventeen to sixteen. And even though they tried to lose

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01:33:40,880 --> 01:33:46,320
Speaker 1: that game. But my Lions, I mean, every one of

1621
01:33:46,360 --> 01:33:49,040
Speaker 1: the teams I root for let me down over the weekend.

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01:33:49,080 --> 01:33:51,160
Speaker 1: And I gotta tell you what, at this point in

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01:33:51,200 --> 01:33:53,600
Speaker 1: the evening, wild Man, I'm tired. I just want to

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01:33:53,640 --> 01:33:56,439
Speaker 1: finish the show and get out of here, like maybe

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01:33:56,600 --> 01:34:00,479
Speaker 1: Joe Burrowfield's about to being or maybe maybe the entire

1626
01:34:00,560 --> 01:34:04,479
Speaker 1: Bengals organization is just tired and they all just want

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01:34:04,479 --> 01:34:07,479
Speaker 1: to go home and forget that there's still games to play.

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01:34:08,080 --> 01:34:12,559
Speaker 1: A wild man your thoughts, am am, I just am

1629
01:34:12,600 --> 01:34:14,600
Speaker 1: I a weenie because I'm tired and I want to

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01:34:14,600 --> 01:34:17,280
Speaker 1: get out of here. And as Joe Burrow have we

1631
01:34:17,400 --> 01:34:20,680
Speaker 1: seen the last of the Joe Burrow era with the Bengals?

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01:34:21,600 --> 01:34:24,240
Speaker 11: Well, I think you're kind of Bengalized already. It's just

1633
01:34:24,240 --> 01:34:25,360
Speaker 11: the way I am talking.

1634
01:34:25,560 --> 01:34:29,519
Speaker 1: Well that I became Bengalized when I became a Kansas

1635
01:34:29,520 --> 01:34:31,400
Speaker 1: City Chiefs fan seven years ago.

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01:34:32,160 --> 01:34:36,400
Speaker 2: And even that didn't help me this weekend. It was

1637
01:34:36,439 --> 01:34:37,240
Speaker 2: a bad weekend.

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01:34:37,600 --> 01:34:39,840
Speaker 11: If you're you know, you're fans of what you're talking about,

1639
01:34:39,920 --> 01:34:42,240
Speaker 11: especially here in Bengals Nation.

1640
01:34:42,360 --> 01:34:43,280
Speaker 2: I mean that's yeah.

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01:34:43,600 --> 01:34:46,679
Speaker 11: We had the you know, the big snow, the big snow,

1642
01:34:47,360 --> 01:34:51,000
Speaker 11: and the Bengals organization knew it was coming and they

1643
01:34:51,040 --> 01:34:54,719
Speaker 11: weren't prepared for it. Fans had to uh wait outside

1644
01:34:54,800 --> 01:34:56,720
Speaker 11: forever to get into the stadium because they didn't have

1645
01:34:56,840 --> 01:35:01,040
Speaker 11: enough ticket takers or security personnel of them miss almost

1646
01:35:01,040 --> 01:35:04,160
Speaker 11: the first quarter. Then they get into the stadium and

1647
01:35:04,520 --> 01:35:08,200
Speaker 11: they have the seats are not cleared with snow, which

1648
01:35:08,240 --> 01:35:12,439
Speaker 11: is a violation of NFL rules. But according to the NFL,

1649
01:35:12,479 --> 01:35:13,560
Speaker 11: the Bengals.

1650
01:35:14,640 --> 01:35:17,000
Speaker 2: They cooperated. Well that you know, I'm not buying that.

1651
01:35:17,280 --> 01:35:19,839
Speaker 2: Well no, yeah, okay, hold on, Hold on a second.

1652
01:35:19,960 --> 01:35:26,080
Speaker 1: The NFL, the shield as it is, controls everything that

1653
01:35:26,120 --> 01:35:29,920
Speaker 1: these teams do, from how much players are paid, the

1654
01:35:30,080 --> 01:35:34,200
Speaker 1: salary caps to what I mean. They have very strict

1655
01:35:34,320 --> 01:35:40,720
Speaker 1: rules in this membership, this thirty two member club. And

1656
01:35:40,840 --> 01:35:43,280
Speaker 1: how can the Bengals get away with skirting the rules

1657
01:35:43,280 --> 01:35:48,439
Speaker 1: of not cleaning the stadium seats and railings. They're supposed

1658
01:35:48,479 --> 01:35:48,920
Speaker 1: to do that.

1659
01:35:50,560 --> 01:35:53,240
Speaker 11: Okay, Well, they came out and said the NFL came

1660
01:35:53,240 --> 01:35:56,160
Speaker 11: out and said that they they they kind of went

1661
01:35:56,240 --> 01:36:00,559
Speaker 11: by the policy, but they really did. Because there were

1662
01:36:00,600 --> 01:36:04,720
Speaker 11: so many seats that were just covered with snow. They

1663
01:36:04,760 --> 01:36:08,200
Speaker 11: would not allow fans in with cardboard. So the fans

1664
01:36:08,240 --> 01:36:10,680
Speaker 11: could put cardboard they could stand on, they keep their

1665
01:36:10,680 --> 01:36:14,000
Speaker 11: feet from freezing on the concrete. They confiscated the cardboard

1666
01:36:14,400 --> 01:36:14,800
Speaker 11: and it.

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01:36:14,720 --> 01:36:16,320
Speaker 2: Was just a mess. Car's a mess.

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01:36:16,360 --> 01:36:19,759
Speaker 11: And here's the thing, Gary, Jeff, they knew this snow

1669
01:36:19,880 --> 01:36:20,280
Speaker 11: was coming.

1670
01:36:20,360 --> 01:36:23,360
Speaker 2: Okay, they knew the snow was coming. This wouldn't happen

1671
01:36:23,439 --> 01:36:24,160
Speaker 2: in Green Bay.

1672
01:36:24,520 --> 01:36:27,360
Speaker 11: They had eleven hours to clean that stadium up, and

1673
01:36:27,400 --> 01:36:30,080
Speaker 11: they chose not to do it, not to take care

1674
01:36:30,320 --> 01:36:33,200
Speaker 11: of their season ticket holders. They had eleven hours. They

1675
01:36:33,240 --> 01:36:35,760
Speaker 11: could have got people from the jail to come down

1676
01:36:35,800 --> 01:36:36,800
Speaker 11: and clean, but they.

1677
01:36:36,680 --> 01:36:37,920
Speaker 2: Don't want to pay those people.

1678
01:36:38,400 --> 01:36:40,320
Speaker 11: They've got people to come in here and clean that stadium.

1679
01:36:40,400 --> 01:36:41,040
Speaker 5: They didn't get.

1680
01:36:40,920 --> 01:36:42,080
Speaker 2: People to do it well man.

1681
01:36:42,680 --> 01:36:45,400
Speaker 1: And in Buffalo they get the fans out there, and

1682
01:36:45,400 --> 01:36:49,000
Speaker 1: they'll pay fans to come and clear the stadium because

1683
01:36:49,000 --> 01:36:51,400
Speaker 1: they are exactly they have to deal with that all

1684
01:36:51,479 --> 01:36:54,800
Speaker 1: the time in Buffalo. I mean, and it's not like

1685
01:36:54,840 --> 01:36:58,120
Speaker 1: it never snows here, and it's not like it's never

1686
01:36:58,200 --> 01:36:59,599
Speaker 1: below zero here.

1687
01:37:00,160 --> 01:37:01,000
Speaker 2: I mean, this is not.

1688
01:37:01,040 --> 01:37:04,040
Speaker 1: The coldest ever Bengals game that's been played, as you

1689
01:37:04,160 --> 01:37:09,320
Speaker 1: well know, mister Freezer Bowl, mister Ice Bowl. But uh,

1690
01:37:09,560 --> 01:37:13,280
Speaker 1: you know, it's it is absolutely when I saw the

1691
01:37:13,320 --> 01:37:17,880
Speaker 1: posts on social media in the aftermath of that game

1692
01:37:18,000 --> 01:37:21,120
Speaker 1: and the little girl is trying to see over the

1693
01:37:21,200 --> 01:37:25,400
Speaker 1: snow on the railing. When it's it's an NFL rule

1694
01:37:25,680 --> 01:37:27,880
Speaker 1: the teams have to have to find a way to

1695
01:37:27,960 --> 01:37:32,080
Speaker 1: do that before games. And and the fact that the

1696
01:37:32,160 --> 01:37:35,320
Speaker 1: fact that they wouldn't let people with cardboard into stand

1697
01:37:35,439 --> 01:37:39,160
Speaker 1: on Well, we all know that cardboard can be used

1698
01:37:39,479 --> 01:37:43,040
Speaker 1: as a violent weapon as a as a legal weapon.

1699
01:37:43,120 --> 01:37:46,559
Speaker 1: So yeah, really really a big threat from cardboard coming

1700
01:37:46,600 --> 01:37:47,600
Speaker 1: into the stadium.

1701
01:37:48,160 --> 01:37:49,200
Speaker 2: What was that about this?

1702
01:37:50,000 --> 01:37:53,200
Speaker 11: Well, the stadium operations the completely botched it all by

1703
01:37:53,439 --> 01:37:57,280
Speaker 11: not having enough ticket takers and uh.

1704
01:37:56,640 --> 01:37:58,400
Speaker 2: Security personnel to get people in.

1705
01:37:58,600 --> 01:38:01,240
Speaker 11: Like I said, a lot of a lot of fans

1706
01:38:01,760 --> 01:38:04,320
Speaker 11: didn't get in until the end of the first quarter. Gary, Jeff,

1707
01:38:04,520 --> 01:38:07,639
Speaker 11: what the hell is with that? And then here's here's

1708
01:38:07,680 --> 01:38:11,120
Speaker 11: what really grubs my ass. You get the TV stations,

1709
01:38:11,400 --> 01:38:13,080
Speaker 11: all of them just kind of.

1710
01:38:13,000 --> 01:38:15,439
Speaker 2: Like brushing it off, brushing this off.

1711
01:38:15,520 --> 01:38:17,920
Speaker 11: If you're a season ticket holder, how many thousands of

1712
01:38:18,000 --> 01:38:20,439
Speaker 11: dollars that you're paying and you get treated like that,

1713
01:38:20,760 --> 01:38:22,840
Speaker 11: you know a lot I'm gonna say, enough is enough.

1714
01:38:22,840 --> 01:38:24,639
Speaker 11: And I know a lot of people right now. I'm

1715
01:38:24,640 --> 01:38:27,080
Speaker 11: telling you they're giving up their tickets. They've had enough,

1716
01:38:27,240 --> 01:38:29,760
Speaker 11: they've seen enough, they've had enough. You know, you don't

1717
01:38:29,800 --> 01:38:32,800
Speaker 11: treat people like that. I mean, it's just like, dude,

1718
01:38:33,160 --> 01:38:36,400
Speaker 11: does the Brown family really care about their fan base

1719
01:38:36,520 --> 01:38:39,680
Speaker 11: or their customers. It's obvious they don't. I mean we're

1720
01:38:39,720 --> 01:38:42,080
Speaker 11: seeing it. But yesterday, and then you get the product

1721
01:38:42,080 --> 01:38:46,120
Speaker 11: that we saw in the field yesterday. The fellas embarrassing.

1722
01:38:46,320 --> 01:38:48,679
Speaker 11: The fans couldn't get in until after the first quarter.

1723
01:38:48,880 --> 01:38:51,400
Speaker 11: The Bengals couldn't get into the end zone all game.

1724
01:38:51,920 --> 01:38:53,880
Speaker 11: It was the first time they've been shut out at

1725
01:38:53,920 --> 01:38:58,120
Speaker 11: home since when twenty seventeen or going back further than that,

1726
01:38:57,840 --> 01:39:01,840
Speaker 11: and I was against the Ravens. Yeah, it was just

1727
01:39:02,200 --> 01:39:06,599
Speaker 11: lackluster all the way around. And you talk about the

1728
01:39:06,640 --> 01:39:11,040
Speaker 11: fans being disgruntled with the organization. How disgreuntled do you

1729
01:39:11,080 --> 01:39:15,360
Speaker 11: think Joe Burrow really is with the Bengals organization? After

1730
01:39:15,400 --> 01:39:17,599
Speaker 11: the press conference on his birthday and then he had

1731
01:39:17,600 --> 01:39:21,640
Speaker 11: to backtrack, and then yesterday, I mean he just he

1732
01:39:21,680 --> 01:39:25,800
Speaker 11: looks he looks shell shocked. Oh, I think he's I

1733
01:39:25,800 --> 01:39:28,320
Speaker 11: think he's disappointed. I mean, he he manned up and

1734
01:39:28,400 --> 01:39:30,280
Speaker 11: said the game when you know it, I don't think

1735
01:39:30,320 --> 01:39:32,120
Speaker 11: any team could have won a game with him at

1736
01:39:32,160 --> 01:39:33,599
Speaker 11: quarterback yesterday, which.

1737
01:39:33,479 --> 01:39:36,160
Speaker 2: He's a stand up guy. He loves playing football.

1738
01:39:36,479 --> 01:39:39,719
Speaker 11: You know, I'm not gonna Joe Burrow is not going anywhere,

1739
01:39:39,720 --> 01:39:42,880
Speaker 11: and again he's talking heads on natural television. They have

1740
01:39:43,000 --> 01:39:45,760
Speaker 11: no clue what's going on here in Cincinnati. You know,

1741
01:39:45,840 --> 01:39:48,280
Speaker 11: Joe Burrow is a loyal guy, and I'm sure behind

1742
01:39:48,320 --> 01:39:50,719
Speaker 11: the scenes because he's not gonna come out and publicis

1743
01:39:50,800 --> 01:39:52,920
Speaker 11: say that the Bengals need to do this and need

1744
01:39:52,960 --> 01:39:54,840
Speaker 11: to do that, but you can bet that his voice

1745
01:39:54,920 --> 01:39:57,200
Speaker 11: is going to be heard, and he's just frustrated. We're

1746
01:39:57,240 --> 01:40:00,600
Speaker 11: all frustrated, well, you know, from the ticket as to

1747
01:40:00,960 --> 01:40:02,200
Speaker 11: the security.

1748
01:40:01,720 --> 01:40:03,479
Speaker 2: People, to maybe Mike Brown.

1749
01:40:03,479 --> 01:40:06,439
Speaker 11: I guess he's frustrat but we're all frustrated over the season.

1750
01:40:06,479 --> 01:40:09,599
Speaker 11: And injuries, of course played a part of this. I mean,

1751
01:40:09,640 --> 01:40:12,000
Speaker 11: Trey Henson. They would not spend a ton of money.

1752
01:40:12,120 --> 01:40:13,439
Speaker 11: The guy played four games.

1753
01:40:13,840 --> 01:40:18,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, not a good result, not a good return on

1754
01:40:18,840 --> 01:40:19,600
Speaker 1: your investment.

1755
01:40:20,120 --> 01:40:20,240
Speaker 7: Uh.

1756
01:40:20,920 --> 01:40:26,679
Speaker 1: Here's the thing, too, is that Joe Burrow just wants

1757
01:40:26,720 --> 01:40:32,880
Speaker 1: to win and the Bengals have not allowed him the

1758
01:40:32,960 --> 01:40:36,599
Speaker 1: proper tools with which to compliment his talent. I mean

1759
01:40:36,640 --> 01:40:40,280
Speaker 1: they've they've done things like signing and taking care of

1760
01:40:40,360 --> 01:40:43,400
Speaker 1: Jamar Chase and t Higgins and Trey Hendrickson. When he

1761
01:40:43,439 --> 01:40:46,400
Speaker 1: asked that, But my friend mo Egger on Saturday morning

1762
01:40:46,479 --> 01:40:49,400
Speaker 1: made the point, and I believe he's correct here, is

1763
01:40:49,400 --> 01:40:54,559
Speaker 1: that Joe Burrow does not do anything anything without intention,

1764
01:40:55,320 --> 01:40:58,120
Speaker 1: and that that press conference that he gave back on

1765
01:40:58,200 --> 01:41:01,559
Speaker 1: his birthday that sparked all these questions of Joe Burrow

1766
01:41:01,640 --> 01:41:06,920
Speaker 1: leaving Cincinnati, Joe Burrow did that intentionally to send a message.

1767
01:41:07,920 --> 01:41:12,799
Speaker 1: So the message has been sent to the organization. Will

1768
01:41:12,880 --> 01:41:16,160
Speaker 1: they listen and can they do anything about that message?

1769
01:41:16,200 --> 01:41:19,400
Speaker 1: That's the question right now, wild Man, how to get

1770
01:41:19,479 --> 01:41:21,400
Speaker 1: is yeah, are you? Are you talking to me on

1771
01:41:21,439 --> 01:41:22,400
Speaker 1: an Obama phone?

1772
01:41:23,000 --> 01:41:25,080
Speaker 2: Wild Man? All right?

1773
01:41:25,160 --> 01:41:28,639
Speaker 1: So I was making the point that on my show

1774
01:41:28,720 --> 01:41:33,759
Speaker 1: Saturday morning, Moe Egger made the point that Joe Burrow,

1775
01:41:34,000 --> 01:41:39,200
Speaker 1: in his estimation, doesn't do anything unintentionally, and that whole

1776
01:41:39,640 --> 01:41:42,320
Speaker 1: tone and timbre of that press conference and the things

1777
01:41:42,320 --> 01:41:47,839
Speaker 1: that Joe Burrow imparted last week was had an intention

1778
01:41:47,920 --> 01:41:51,040
Speaker 1: of sending a message to the Bengals organization. And my

1779
01:41:51,200 --> 01:41:53,719
Speaker 1: question you is do you think they'll receive that message

1780
01:41:53,800 --> 01:41:55,920
Speaker 1: loud and clear going forward?

1781
01:41:57,000 --> 01:41:59,799
Speaker 2: Well, they'd be crazy not to. You know, pay attention

1782
01:42:00,040 --> 01:42:00,800
Speaker 2: on Joe's.

1783
01:42:00,560 --> 01:42:03,479
Speaker 11: Saying because he is the faith of the franchise that

1784
01:42:03,800 --> 01:42:06,839
Speaker 11: he's guaranteed I think two hundred and nine million dollars

1785
01:42:06,840 --> 01:42:09,800
Speaker 11: still on his contract. I mean, as the as Joe

1786
01:42:09,800 --> 01:42:11,840
Speaker 11: Burrow goes, the Bengals go.

1787
01:42:13,320 --> 01:42:14,320
Speaker 5: You need what Joe.

1788
01:42:14,479 --> 01:42:17,280
Speaker 11: When you see how Joe acts in the press conferences,

1789
01:42:17,360 --> 01:42:21,439
Speaker 11: he doesn't ever really he pauses before he says something.

1790
01:42:21,680 --> 01:42:23,800
Speaker 11: You know, he thinks stuff out because he's not gonna

1791
01:42:23,840 --> 01:42:26,360
Speaker 11: get you know, backed into a corner some stuff that

1792
01:42:26,400 --> 01:42:29,200
Speaker 11: he says no. And I hope that and I hope

1793
01:42:29,439 --> 01:42:32,040
Speaker 11: that when the season ends and then Joe sits down

1794
01:42:32,080 --> 01:42:34,920
Speaker 11: with the front office, that they listen to him. Not

1795
01:42:35,000 --> 01:42:37,840
Speaker 11: that he has every answer, but there are changes that

1796
01:42:37,920 --> 01:42:40,040
Speaker 11: have to be made, and one of them one of them.

1797
01:42:39,920 --> 01:42:42,280
Speaker 2: Gary, Jeff, I'm just gonna put it to you this way.

1798
01:42:42,680 --> 01:42:46,599
Speaker 11: Marvin Lewis, you know, straighten out this Bengals franchise got

1799
01:42:46,680 --> 01:42:49,439
Speaker 11: him to the playoffs, but his last three years they

1800
01:42:49,479 --> 01:42:52,120
Speaker 11: didn't make the playoffs. Zach Taylor came in here, but

1801
01:42:52,280 --> 01:42:54,120
Speaker 11: a new culture in the locker room, got rid of

1802
01:42:54,160 --> 01:42:57,000
Speaker 11: the knuckleheads. They won, they made the playoffs, but the

1803
01:42:57,080 --> 01:42:59,920
Speaker 11: last three years they have not made the playoffs. And

1804
01:43:00,080 --> 01:43:03,719
Speaker 11: what happened with Marvin Lewis he got fired, what happened

1805
01:43:03,720 --> 01:43:04,559
Speaker 11: with Zach Taylor?

1806
01:43:04,600 --> 01:43:07,040
Speaker 12: Something's got a change. Bye by something's got a change,

1807
01:43:07,280 --> 01:43:10,040
Speaker 12: something has to change. Bye bye bye bye bye bye.

1808
01:43:10,560 --> 01:43:14,080
Speaker 12: Uh it wasn't lost on me. And I sent this

1809
01:43:14,120 --> 01:43:16,879
Speaker 12: to a couple of people. Maybe I sent it to you. Uh,

1810
01:43:17,000 --> 01:43:20,800
Speaker 12: the irony wasn't lost on me. That yesterday, on the sideline,

1811
01:43:20,920 --> 01:43:26,439
Speaker 12: as the Bengals are getting thoroughly thumped by Baltimore, Zach

1812
01:43:26,520 --> 01:43:31,400
Speaker 12: Taylor is wearing a sweatshirt that says, yeah, inspired change. Well,

1813
01:43:31,720 --> 01:43:34,280
Speaker 12: you know what, I think a lot of people are inspired,

1814
01:43:34,840 --> 01:43:38,439
Speaker 12: inspired to change at the Bengals head coaching position, Zach,

1815
01:43:38,840 --> 01:43:41,439
Speaker 12: what a weird T shirt or sweatshirt for you to

1816
01:43:41,479 --> 01:43:45,880
Speaker 12: wear that says inspired change? When you're inspiring change every

1817
01:43:45,960 --> 01:43:48,240
Speaker 12: game this year with your coaching And.

1818
01:43:49,400 --> 01:43:51,640
Speaker 11: I think the change might have I might have the

1819
01:43:51,640 --> 01:43:54,439
Speaker 11: ax might have fell with this so called shirt shirt

1820
01:43:54,680 --> 01:43:55,519
Speaker 11: inspired change?

1821
01:43:55,680 --> 01:43:57,160
Speaker 4: On what was it? Fourth and four?

1822
01:43:57,560 --> 01:43:59,880
Speaker 11: And they decided to throw a long pass to try

1823
01:43:59,880 --> 01:44:03,799
Speaker 11: to get the ball in between two defenders to josekeep

1824
01:44:03,960 --> 01:44:04,920
Speaker 11: throwing the ball deep?

1825
01:44:05,360 --> 01:44:08,519
Speaker 2: Is but there's only fourth and four? Is that the

1826
01:44:08,520 --> 01:44:11,960
Speaker 2: best play you've got in your back pocket? Come on, man,

1827
01:44:12,520 --> 01:44:14,160
Speaker 2: you know I have no idea.

1828
01:44:14,520 --> 01:44:14,960
Speaker 5: You know what.

1829
01:44:16,040 --> 01:44:20,960
Speaker 1: Bengals fans are not only alone in their suffering and

1830
01:44:21,000 --> 01:44:25,519
Speaker 1: playing Monday morning quarterback and kind of ruing what happened

1831
01:44:25,520 --> 01:44:28,400
Speaker 1: over the weekend. I as a Kansas City Chiefs fan,

1832
01:44:29,760 --> 01:44:35,520
Speaker 1: uh am really really concerned about another quarterback, Patrick Mahomes,

1833
01:44:35,520 --> 01:44:38,880
Speaker 1: who was injured at the end of yesterday's loss.

1834
01:44:38,920 --> 01:44:41,479
Speaker 2: The Chiefs, the chief when he went down.

1835
01:44:41,640 --> 01:44:44,720
Speaker 1: The Chiefs being drummed out of the playoffs for the

1836
01:44:44,720 --> 01:44:47,200
Speaker 1: first time. Guys, this is the first time in what

1837
01:44:47,840 --> 01:44:51,000
Speaker 1: six years that they won't be in the AFC Championship Game.

1838
01:44:51,360 --> 01:44:54,639
Speaker 2: Five or six years and like eleven years that haven't

1839
01:44:54,640 --> 01:44:55,960
Speaker 2: been in the playoffs.

1840
01:44:55,520 --> 01:44:58,880
Speaker 1: Right exactly. So it is a sad day for Chiefs

1841
01:44:58,920 --> 01:45:02,080
Speaker 1: fans like me as well as for Bengal fans like you,

1842
01:45:03,600 --> 01:45:08,360
Speaker 1: and also my Detroit Lions. What has happened to the

1843
01:45:08,479 --> 01:45:12,280
Speaker 1: Lions here? I mean, they've had a lot of injuries.

1844
01:45:12,360 --> 01:45:16,080
Speaker 1: I know that. Have you been following that at all

1845
01:45:16,360 --> 01:45:17,000
Speaker 1: here and there?

1846
01:45:17,080 --> 01:45:19,640
Speaker 11: But they had long injuries last year, especially towards the

1847
01:45:19,680 --> 01:45:21,640
Speaker 11: end of the season, and that caught up to him.

1848
01:45:21,880 --> 01:45:23,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what kept him out of the Super Bowl

1849
01:45:23,840 --> 01:45:25,920
Speaker 1: last year, and they may keep him out of the

1850
01:45:25,920 --> 01:45:29,360
Speaker 1: playoffs this year. It's not a lock that Detroit's gonna

1851
01:45:29,360 --> 01:45:33,280
Speaker 1: make it with that, with that NFC North the way

1852
01:45:33,320 --> 01:45:37,639
Speaker 1: it is and the Bears. Are you surprised with that Bears?

1853
01:45:37,800 --> 01:45:41,599
Speaker 1: Are you surprised about the Bears resurgence under Ben Johnson?

1854
01:45:42,320 --> 01:45:46,519
Speaker 11: I've been shocked about the Bears. Nobody saw this, Yeah,

1855
01:45:46,560 --> 01:45:49,639
Speaker 11: nobody saw this. They just continue to, you know, get

1856
01:45:49,680 --> 01:45:50,599
Speaker 11: the job done.

1857
01:45:50,439 --> 01:45:52,040
Speaker 2: Quietly, they really do.

1858
01:45:52,600 --> 01:45:57,080
Speaker 1: And and green Bay, I mean, you know Green Bay

1859
01:45:57,080 --> 01:46:02,720
Speaker 1: and Matt Lafleur and Jordan Love. I just yesterday was

1860
01:46:02,880 --> 01:46:05,600
Speaker 1: just a weird day in the NFL. For me, it

1861
01:46:05,720 --> 01:46:10,439
Speaker 1: really was. And it's not like, not like I'm I'm

1862
01:46:10,479 --> 01:46:14,320
Speaker 1: a fan of the Cowboys, because I'm probably the farthest

1863
01:46:14,320 --> 01:46:17,360
Speaker 1: thing away from a fan of the Cowboys, but I've.

1864
01:46:17,240 --> 01:46:18,600
Speaker 2: Never been a fan of the Cowboys.

1865
01:46:18,600 --> 01:46:21,200
Speaker 11: On time the Cowboys lose, it's a great day, and

1866
01:46:21,240 --> 01:46:23,000
Speaker 11: it was great last night watching them lose.

1867
01:46:23,920 --> 01:46:25,880
Speaker 1: But it was just, don't you agree, it was just

1868
01:46:25,920 --> 01:46:28,760
Speaker 1: a weird weekend in the NFL. There were some results.

1869
01:46:29,320 --> 01:46:31,680
Speaker 1: There were some results that really kind of left me

1870
01:46:31,760 --> 01:46:37,240
Speaker 1: scratching my head, going what's going on here? And let's

1871
01:46:37,280 --> 01:46:40,000
Speaker 1: turn our attention for a few minutes to the Heisman

1872
01:46:40,080 --> 01:46:44,080
Speaker 1: Award presentation. Neither one of us surprised at Fernando Mendoza

1873
01:46:44,360 --> 01:46:48,919
Speaker 1: wound up walking away with the trophy. My man, Diego

1874
01:46:48,960 --> 01:46:52,640
Speaker 1: Pavia came in second in the voting, and you know,

1875
01:46:52,720 --> 01:46:57,200
Speaker 1: I was kind of hoping against hope that somehow he

1876
01:46:57,320 --> 01:47:03,440
Speaker 1: might rise above Mendoza and his Indiana Hoosiers. But Indiana's,

1877
01:47:03,560 --> 01:47:05,799
Speaker 1: you know, the number one seed going into the college

1878
01:47:05,800 --> 01:47:09,479
Speaker 1: football playoff and Mendoza has been a key part of that.

1879
01:47:10,000 --> 01:47:15,400
Speaker 1: But if not for Diego Pavia, Vanderbilt doesn't win ten games,

1880
01:47:15,640 --> 01:47:19,760
Speaker 1: they may not win enough games to be Bowl eligible.

1881
01:47:19,800 --> 01:47:23,760
Speaker 1: Without Diego Pavia, he certainly carried that team on his back.

1882
01:47:23,800 --> 01:47:26,040
Speaker 1: I've talked to a lot of Vanderbilt people who say,

1883
01:47:26,520 --> 01:47:30,400
Speaker 1: not only was he one of the best quarterbacks in

1884
01:47:30,439 --> 01:47:34,080
Speaker 1: the country, he was the reason that Vanderbilt won ten wins.

1885
01:47:34,080 --> 01:47:36,880
Speaker 1: I mean, you talk about a guy carrying a team

1886
01:47:37,000 --> 01:47:39,800
Speaker 1: on his back. That was Diego Pavia, and to me,

1887
01:47:40,200 --> 01:47:42,880
Speaker 1: that is emblematic of what it takes to be a

1888
01:47:42,920 --> 01:47:44,040
Speaker 1: Heisman Trophy winner.

1889
01:47:44,080 --> 01:47:47,280
Speaker 11: Your thoughts on that, well, there's no doubt in my

1890
01:47:47,400 --> 01:47:51,320
Speaker 11: mind that Fernando Mendoza was the logical choice, the number

1891
01:47:51,360 --> 01:47:54,040
Speaker 11: one in the country, undefeated.

1892
01:47:54,960 --> 01:47:55,160
Speaker 8: Guy.

1893
01:47:55,479 --> 01:47:57,479
Speaker 11: The guy's a winner. I mean the guy as a winner.

1894
01:47:57,479 --> 01:47:59,800
Speaker 11: You look at this up bringing too. Have you saw

1895
01:47:59,800 --> 01:48:02,439
Speaker 11: his speech? It was like, you know, it was it

1896
01:48:02,479 --> 01:48:04,320
Speaker 11: was a great, great, great speech.

1897
01:48:04,400 --> 01:48:07,160
Speaker 2: No, I think I think he's I think he's awesome. Okay,

1898
01:48:07,240 --> 01:48:08,920
Speaker 2: go ahead, and he's well deserved.

1899
01:48:08,960 --> 01:48:11,640
Speaker 11: And then Diego Pavia, I mean the numbers he put up,

1900
01:48:11,680 --> 01:48:14,080
Speaker 11: what he did at Vanderbilt, because they're not known to

1901
01:48:14,640 --> 01:48:18,559
Speaker 11: be a football power. Either's Indiana, but the Vanderbilt's kind

1902
01:48:18,560 --> 01:48:20,679
Speaker 11: of like always been down on the lower and down

1903
01:48:20,680 --> 01:48:23,599
Speaker 11: on the totem pole. But the Diego Pavia, I mean,

1904
01:48:23,640 --> 01:48:26,160
Speaker 11: he'll use this to to be, you know, to be

1905
01:48:26,439 --> 01:48:29,479
Speaker 11: a better quarterback in the National Football League. The thing

1906
01:48:29,479 --> 01:48:33,479
Speaker 11: about Diego Pavia, you know, and he finished second whatever

1907
01:48:33,520 --> 01:48:33,760
Speaker 11: that's for.

1908
01:48:34,000 --> 01:48:35,880
Speaker 2: But he got a case of the gouabat it.

1909
01:48:36,160 --> 01:48:38,000
Speaker 11: And he should have kept his mouth shut because that

1910
01:48:38,000 --> 01:48:40,120
Speaker 11: that that, you know, that's just kind of like, well,

1911
01:48:40,160 --> 01:48:42,479
Speaker 11: you're a sore loser if you're gonna be complaining about that.

1912
01:48:42,800 --> 01:48:45,240
Speaker 2: I didn't he didn't come back down that apologized. I didn't.

1913
01:48:45,280 --> 01:48:47,240
Speaker 2: I didn't see I didn't see what he said. What

1914
01:48:47,280 --> 01:48:50,040
Speaker 2: did he say? Initially? I can't really explain.

1915
01:48:50,160 --> 01:48:52,720
Speaker 11: I I just there wasn't it wasn't pretty and he

1916
01:48:52,800 --> 01:48:56,640
Speaker 11: dropped I think an m bomb uh about the voters.

1917
01:48:56,920 --> 01:49:00,639
Speaker 11: So it wasn't it wasn't pretty. But he after twenty

1918
01:49:00,720 --> 01:49:03,360
Speaker 11: four hours and he issued an apology and said, I,

1919
01:49:03,400 --> 01:49:05,960
Speaker 11: you know, I overstepped my bath. I shouldn't you know,

1920
01:49:06,000 --> 01:49:07,880
Speaker 11: I should have realized you know that I should have

1921
01:49:07,920 --> 01:49:10,560
Speaker 11: done this, and you know, like accept my apology.

1922
01:49:10,680 --> 01:49:13,599
Speaker 2: I accept as apology, he manned up. Okay, that's all

1923
01:49:13,640 --> 01:49:16,080
Speaker 2: you can ask for, right right.

1924
01:49:16,200 --> 01:49:18,919
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, once you start getting the backlash, you

1925
01:49:19,040 --> 01:49:22,960
Speaker 1: either you either double down or you you take it back,

1926
01:49:23,000 --> 01:49:26,559
Speaker 1: and you you know, you choose that which hill you

1927
01:49:26,600 --> 01:49:27,559
Speaker 1: want to die on there?

1928
01:49:28,160 --> 01:49:28,280
Speaker 3: Uh.

1929
01:49:29,040 --> 01:49:30,200
Speaker 2: I don't know about.

1930
01:49:29,960 --> 01:49:32,799
Speaker 1: Diego Pobby at the next level because he's so short,

1931
01:49:32,840 --> 01:49:36,200
Speaker 1: wild man. I talked to my friend Scott Droud, who

1932
01:49:36,200 --> 01:49:39,880
Speaker 1: of course famously played basketball at Vanderbilt and was a

1933
01:49:39,880 --> 01:49:42,880
Speaker 1: great player there and has been to about uh went

1934
01:49:42,920 --> 01:49:47,560
Speaker 1: to about five home games this year because he's got

1935
01:49:47,680 --> 01:49:51,679
Speaker 1: a nephew that's a second string kicker on the Vandy squad.

1936
01:49:52,200 --> 01:49:54,599
Speaker 1: So he went to about five home games and he

1937
01:49:54,680 --> 01:49:58,200
Speaker 1: said he's been right next to Diego Pabby and Scott's

1938
01:49:58,360 --> 01:50:02,559
Speaker 1: he's like maybe six one two. He said, Paby is

1939
01:50:02,720 --> 01:50:04,720
Speaker 1: no more than five to nine, even though they list

1940
01:50:04,800 --> 01:50:05,439
Speaker 1: him at six feet.

1941
01:50:05,439 --> 01:50:07,519
Speaker 11: Well, then he goes to the Canadian Football League where

1942
01:50:07,520 --> 01:50:09,400
Speaker 11: you can make up make a living and prove what he

1943
01:50:09,400 --> 01:50:12,000
Speaker 11: can play in that way playing it at that level

1944
01:50:12,240 --> 01:50:13,439
Speaker 11: aka Doug Flute.

1945
01:50:13,680 --> 01:50:14,240
Speaker 2: He could do that.

1946
01:50:14,520 --> 01:50:17,120
Speaker 1: I think he's a good enough football player. He could

1947
01:50:17,120 --> 01:50:21,720
Speaker 1: play almost any position in the NFL outside of alignment

1948
01:50:21,960 --> 01:50:25,120
Speaker 1: or quarterback, and you know what, he'd be great. He

1949
01:50:25,160 --> 01:50:28,719
Speaker 1: would be great to have as a special teams player

1950
01:50:29,000 --> 01:50:30,800
Speaker 1: a running back because he can run.

1951
01:50:31,040 --> 01:50:33,400
Speaker 2: He can roll right through people. He proved that.

1952
01:50:34,200 --> 01:50:39,200
Speaker 1: And you have a ready made second string quarterback ready

1953
01:50:39,240 --> 01:50:42,800
Speaker 1: to go in case your starter goes down. So any

1954
01:50:42,880 --> 01:50:45,759
Speaker 1: number of NFL teams might like to have a Diego

1955
01:50:45,880 --> 01:50:47,679
Speaker 1: Pavia on the ross.

1956
01:50:47,760 --> 01:50:52,719
Speaker 11: Unlike the Kansas City Chiefs who ran out there, yeah yesterday, Minshew,

1957
01:50:53,560 --> 01:50:55,840
Speaker 11: Oh my god, Gardner, Minshew.

1958
01:50:55,880 --> 01:51:01,320
Speaker 2: That's the best they can find. Well, it was the best.

1959
01:51:01,479 --> 01:51:04,800
Speaker 2: It was the best mustache they could find. I'll give

1960
01:51:04,840 --> 01:51:05,080
Speaker 2: you that.

1961
01:51:05,320 --> 01:51:11,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, all right, wild I think we've covered all

1962
01:51:11,200 --> 01:51:14,479
Speaker 1: the bases. So Joe Burrow isn't going anywhere. Joe Burrow

1963
01:51:14,560 --> 01:51:18,720
Speaker 1: was not going any Zaza is Zach Taylor packing up

1964
01:51:18,760 --> 01:51:19,400
Speaker 1: the moving van.

1965
01:51:20,320 --> 01:51:20,679
Speaker 2: The season.

1966
01:51:20,720 --> 01:51:22,719
Speaker 11: I would say, I would say, he means he probably

1967
01:51:22,760 --> 01:51:24,439
Speaker 11: needs to call two men in a truck and see

1968
01:51:24,479 --> 01:51:28,480
Speaker 11: how much it's gonna cost. Maybe maybe maybe to move because.

1969
01:51:29,000 --> 01:51:30,040
Speaker 2: Something's gonna happen here.

1970
01:51:30,320 --> 01:51:32,880
Speaker 11: I know something's There's got to be some change, not

1971
01:51:32,920 --> 01:51:36,040
Speaker 11: only with the personnel but in the front office because

1972
01:51:36,080 --> 01:51:38,960
Speaker 11: Zach Taylor is not cutting it and the fan and

1973
01:51:39,000 --> 01:51:42,400
Speaker 11: the fans don't like it either. Yeah, well like and

1974
01:51:42,520 --> 01:51:44,240
Speaker 11: don't ask me who I you know who I want

1975
01:51:44,280 --> 01:51:44,840
Speaker 11: this head coach?

1976
01:51:44,880 --> 01:51:45,200
Speaker 2: I wrote?

1977
01:51:45,680 --> 01:51:47,760
Speaker 11: I mean I think about I'm thinking, well, they're going

1978
01:51:47,800 --> 01:51:50,680
Speaker 11: to make a change. Do we bring in an established

1979
01:51:50,680 --> 01:51:53,000
Speaker 11: coach or they're bringing a guy who's never head coach?

1980
01:51:53,040 --> 01:51:53,120
Speaker 7: Well?

1981
01:51:53,200 --> 01:51:55,479
Speaker 2: Ever, hed gone down that road? Yeah, every gone down

1982
01:51:55,520 --> 01:51:56,639
Speaker 2: down road with Zach Taylor.

1983
01:51:56,840 --> 01:51:58,439
Speaker 11: So are you bringing a guy that's been a previous

1984
01:51:58,479 --> 01:52:02,800
Speaker 11: head coach like Mike McCarthy? Maybe maybe bringing John Maybe.

1985
01:52:02,720 --> 01:52:05,839
Speaker 1: Maybe the Bengals will follow the advice on Zach Taylor's

1986
01:52:05,880 --> 01:52:08,519
Speaker 1: sweatshirt on the sidelines yesterday.

1987
01:52:08,360 --> 01:52:13,000
Speaker 2: And inspire change. Inspire change?

1988
01:52:13,240 --> 01:52:15,920
Speaker 11: How many people and went out and bought those shirts?

1989
01:52:16,240 --> 01:52:20,360
Speaker 2: Wild man? Uh see in church? Merry Christmas? Talk to

1990
01:52:20,360 --> 01:52:21,960
Speaker 2: you start without me if I'm not.

1991
01:52:21,920 --> 01:52:25,679
Speaker 1: There, Okay, you bet we'll be going for a long

1992
01:52:25,720 --> 01:52:30,160
Speaker 1: time without wild Man there, I'm afraid. Merry Christmas to you,

1993
01:52:30,240 --> 01:52:33,040
Speaker 1: thanks for putting up with his on the nightcap. And

1994
01:52:33,120 --> 01:52:35,920
Speaker 1: now we end tonight's show as we do all of

1995
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Speaker 1: these shows that I host, by playing our national anthem,

1996
01:52:39,600 --> 01:52:43,000
Speaker 1: the only national anthem of the United States of America,

1997
01:52:43,439 --> 01:52:47,880
Speaker 1: the Star Spangled Banner to honor America on seven hundred

1998
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