1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,960 Speaker 1: You know, whatever happened to the old days where even 2 00:00:04,000 --> 00:00:08,720 Speaker 1: if you had forget disagreements, even say very passionate disagreements, 3 00:00:09,720 --> 00:00:14,320 Speaker 1: it was behind closed doors. Now everything is on x 4 00:00:15,480 --> 00:00:18,520 Speaker 1: or you know, trumpets true social and the Europeans respond 5 00:00:18,560 --> 00:00:20,520 Speaker 1: on whatever platform. But what I mean is, you know 6 00:00:20,840 --> 00:00:25,320 Speaker 1: everything's on social media. Now, everything's open, everything's like naked. 7 00:00:26,040 --> 00:00:29,880 Speaker 1: There's no what diplomacy, what closed door, you know, behind 8 00:00:29,880 --> 00:00:32,879 Speaker 1: the scenes meeting. So, as I said, Trump now has 9 00:00:32,880 --> 00:00:36,000 Speaker 1: come out with a statement saying there's no going back. 10 00:00:36,360 --> 00:00:40,600 Speaker 1: I've told everyone as plainly as possible, we need Greenland, 11 00:00:40,760 --> 00:00:44,560 Speaker 1: we will have Greenland, and there is no going back, 12 00:00:44,840 --> 00:00:48,200 Speaker 1: there is none. I will not budge an inch period. 13 00:00:48,240 --> 00:00:51,560 Speaker 1: In other words, I'm drawing my redline. We're not backing 14 00:00:51,600 --> 00:00:56,279 Speaker 1: off of Greenland. Macran now has released a statement and 15 00:00:56,400 --> 00:01:04,880 Speaker 1: gone on social media saying quote Frances prefers respect to bullies, 16 00:01:07,360 --> 00:01:10,920 Speaker 1: saying we will not be bullied on this issue. Europe 17 00:01:10,959 --> 00:01:15,360 Speaker 1: will not be intimidated on this issue. So Trump hasn't 18 00:01:15,360 --> 00:01:20,000 Speaker 1: even landed in DeVos, and they're already a dagger's drawn. 19 00:01:21,440 --> 00:01:26,319 Speaker 1: So there is a collision course. Now Europe now is 20 00:01:26,400 --> 00:01:30,200 Speaker 1: coming up with the response that if Trump continues to 21 00:01:30,280 --> 00:01:34,480 Speaker 1: insist on Greenland. They are willing now to sacrifice the 22 00:01:34,640 --> 00:01:39,919 Speaker 1: entire NATO alliance that now Trump is literally putting NATO 23 00:01:40,080 --> 00:01:43,760 Speaker 1: at risk. Now we'll see. Maybe the Europeans are bluffing 24 00:01:44,280 --> 00:01:48,720 Speaker 1: to me. They're insane if they shatter the alliance over Greenland. 25 00:01:49,280 --> 00:01:54,280 Speaker 1: But the globalists are driving them. China is now becoming 26 00:01:54,320 --> 00:01:58,280 Speaker 1: closer and closer to the Europeans. China now have their 27 00:01:58,320 --> 00:02:03,559 Speaker 1: tentacles into Carni, the Canadian Prime minister. So who knows 28 00:02:03,560 --> 00:02:06,720 Speaker 1: who's really calling the shots. But the fact of the 29 00:02:06,800 --> 00:02:09,880 Speaker 1: matter is, as I speak to you now nine twenty two, 30 00:02:10,960 --> 00:02:14,600 Speaker 1: we are in NATO is in the deepest crisis it 31 00:02:14,639 --> 00:02:19,519 Speaker 1: has ever been since it was formed after the Second 32 00:02:19,520 --> 00:02:24,119 Speaker 1: World War. Six one seven two, six six sixty eight, 33 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:29,040 Speaker 1: sixty eight is the number. Sally in New Hampshire. Thanks 34 00:02:29,040 --> 00:02:36,280 Speaker 1: for holding Sally, and welcome. Hi Jeff, Hi Sally. 35 00:02:36,880 --> 00:02:38,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm Shelley. 36 00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:42,120 Speaker 1: But it's fine, Shelley, Okay. I have literally it's what 37 00:02:42,160 --> 00:02:44,320 Speaker 1: I have on the board, s A L. 38 00:02:44,680 --> 00:02:45,079 Speaker 2: L Y. 39 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:48,480 Speaker 1: You know, Mike, I'm just saying when they say Shelley, 40 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:52,880 Speaker 1: could you put up Shelley instead of Sally, Mike, you know, 41 00:02:53,520 --> 00:02:56,720 Speaker 1: instead of like, you know, being you know what, instead 42 00:02:56,720 --> 00:03:00,400 Speaker 1: of obsessing over constantly cutting me off when about to 43 00:03:00,440 --> 00:03:02,639 Speaker 1: go to break, how about we get the callers his 44 00:03:02,760 --> 00:03:08,079 Speaker 1: name right, I'm just saying Mike. So Mike says he 45 00:03:08,080 --> 00:03:12,600 Speaker 1: could drop you. All right, Shelley, my apologies, Go ahead, Shelley. 46 00:03:13,440 --> 00:03:15,360 Speaker 2: Oh and by the way, I don't really care if 47 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:17,440 Speaker 2: I'm Shelley or Sally. Just want to make sure I 48 00:03:17,480 --> 00:03:18,720 Speaker 2: wasn't putting in on Sally. 49 00:03:19,840 --> 00:03:23,639 Speaker 1: No, no, no, it's no, it's it's Mike. Mike likes 50 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:27,080 Speaker 1: to play mine games with me. There's no other Sally. 51 00:03:27,280 --> 00:03:31,720 Speaker 1: It's Shelley. Okay. Now Sandy's getting upset. She's saying, can 52 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:34,960 Speaker 1: we move on? So it's like you see, it's like 53 00:03:35,080 --> 00:03:39,080 Speaker 1: Trump in Europe here in the in the booth, the Europeans, 54 00:03:39,960 --> 00:03:43,240 Speaker 1: Sandy and Mike are now they're against me, and it's 55 00:03:43,480 --> 00:03:47,480 Speaker 1: who knows. It's bad relations all around. So go ahead, Shelley. 56 00:03:50,520 --> 00:03:54,920 Speaker 2: Profoundly thank you and your team, Sandy and Mike for 57 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:59,400 Speaker 2: your contributions to American freedom five days a week for 58 00:03:59,600 --> 00:04:02,400 Speaker 2: all these Thank you so much. What you do is 59 00:04:02,480 --> 00:04:03,320 Speaker 2: so important. 60 00:04:03,520 --> 00:04:04,520 Speaker 1: Oh, thank you, Shelly. 61 00:04:05,200 --> 00:04:07,920 Speaker 2: Some points to make, and I'm kind of listening to everybody, 62 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:10,920 Speaker 2: so talking to sort of all main points being made 63 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:18,159 Speaker 2: by people. So first point possibly future isolationists for America 64 00:04:19,200 --> 00:04:22,880 Speaker 2: might not be able to defend itself adequately without allies 65 00:04:22,920 --> 00:04:28,679 Speaker 2: and their territories hosting our worldwide basis. Yes, American defense 66 00:04:28,720 --> 00:04:33,040 Speaker 2: depends on internal stability like you know Minnesota, our borders, 67 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:37,520 Speaker 2: our debt, but it also depends on defending ourselves overseas. 68 00:04:38,080 --> 00:04:42,800 Speaker 2: Catastrophic wars history shows us are often years in the making. 69 00:04:43,560 --> 00:04:48,880 Speaker 2: In nineteen thirty six, Hitler sent troops into the Rye 70 00:04:48,960 --> 00:04:53,680 Speaker 2: lanch reoccupy. It a violation of Versaes treaty. And he 71 00:04:53,800 --> 00:04:56,280 Speaker 2: also knew at that point that if you'd been confronted 72 00:04:56,839 --> 00:05:00,560 Speaker 2: by France in Britain, he couldn't He could not have 73 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:04,880 Speaker 2: done that preoccupation successfully. But he had read their tea leaves. 74 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:08,080 Speaker 2: He knew they wouldn't do anything, and they didn't, and 75 00:05:08,120 --> 00:05:12,320 Speaker 2: we got World War Two coming down the road a 76 00:05:12,360 --> 00:05:15,400 Speaker 2: few years later. So catastrophic wars are often years in 77 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:18,280 Speaker 2: the making. We have to remember that since World War Two, 78 00:05:18,600 --> 00:05:22,240 Speaker 2: Europe has never lived up to its defense responsibilities. Clearly 79 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:27,200 Speaker 2: they are hollowed out militarily, militarily and everybody knows it. 80 00:05:27,640 --> 00:05:30,640 Speaker 2: Remember just a few years ago when Trump went over 81 00:05:30,680 --> 00:05:34,880 Speaker 2: to a NATO meeting and he asked them, demanded that 82 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:40,599 Speaker 2: they pay spent two percent of their GDP on their defense, 83 00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:44,000 Speaker 2: and they laughed at him, smeared him, called them names, 84 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:48,640 Speaker 2: and put up that stupid Trump baby balloon up in 85 00:05:48,680 --> 00:05:49,920 Speaker 2: the air. I think it was in the UK when 86 00:05:49,920 --> 00:05:52,600 Speaker 2: they did that. And then a little bit later they 87 00:05:52,600 --> 00:05:57,240 Speaker 2: demand that we pay for Ukraine. Europeans must consider selling 88 00:05:57,279 --> 00:06:01,560 Speaker 2: Greenland so let the US's ability to end all europe 89 00:06:01,720 --> 00:06:07,600 Speaker 2: is bolstered. Possible solution to all of this, maybe we 90 00:06:07,680 --> 00:06:09,960 Speaker 2: wait until the Russians and the Chinese are getting their 91 00:06:10,080 --> 00:06:13,840 Speaker 2: tentacles into greement, as they're probably already doing now. In 92 00:06:13,880 --> 00:06:15,320 Speaker 2: the meantime, with. 93 00:06:16,360 --> 00:06:18,919 Speaker 1: Shelley, can you do me a favor, You're making a 94 00:06:19,040 --> 00:06:24,039 Speaker 1: very powerful case for why a we need Greenland. We 95 00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:30,000 Speaker 1: are living in monumental, momentous, historic times. We are not 96 00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:33,920 Speaker 1: living in ordinary times. There's no question history is changing. 97 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:39,920 Speaker 1: The world is changing. The entire geopolitical landscape is shifting. 98 00:06:40,120 --> 00:06:43,640 Speaker 1: Right beneath our feet nine thirty three on the Great 99 00:06:43,760 --> 00:06:49,640 Speaker 1: Wrko Jeff Kohoner Boston's Bulldozer. Okay, I'm going to go 100 00:06:49,720 --> 00:06:54,200 Speaker 1: right back to Shelley just before I do. A lot 101 00:06:54,240 --> 00:06:56,960 Speaker 1: of you are making this point, and I just want 102 00:06:56,960 --> 00:06:58,880 Speaker 1: to reiterate it because I think it's so spot on 103 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:05,320 Speaker 1: what Trump, whether it's purpose or just an inadvertent consequence 104 00:07:05,480 --> 00:07:09,160 Speaker 1: of his action now regarding Greenland, whether it's deliberate or not, 105 00:07:09,840 --> 00:07:14,080 Speaker 1: I think this is now what's happening. He is smoking 106 00:07:14,120 --> 00:07:19,680 Speaker 1: out which countries and which leaders are aligned with the 107 00:07:19,720 --> 00:07:26,240 Speaker 1: New World Order, with the World Economic Forum. Who are 108 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:30,440 Speaker 1: truly our real allies and friends and who are our 109 00:07:30,520 --> 00:07:36,360 Speaker 1: fake friends and allies. And in particular, what he's really 110 00:07:36,400 --> 00:07:41,160 Speaker 1: now smoking out again, whether it's deliberate or unintentional, it 111 00:07:41,160 --> 00:07:47,320 Speaker 1: doesn't matter, is who is now aligning with communist China? 112 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:52,960 Speaker 1: Who's really now in terms of Okay, yeah, everybody wants 113 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:56,120 Speaker 1: the United States to protect them and trade with them 114 00:07:56,280 --> 00:07:58,680 Speaker 1: so they can keep taking advantage of us. But when 115 00:07:58,720 --> 00:08:02,640 Speaker 1: push comes to shove, rubber hits the road, are they 116 00:08:02,680 --> 00:08:05,920 Speaker 1: allied with us? Or are they allied with communist China? 117 00:08:05,960 --> 00:08:10,240 Speaker 1: The chycoms? And I think it's becoming very obvious now 118 00:08:12,200 --> 00:08:15,600 Speaker 1: under Justin Trudeau and Mark Carney, the current Prime minister. 119 00:08:16,320 --> 00:08:19,840 Speaker 1: Canada is not our friend and not our ally. They're 120 00:08:19,840 --> 00:08:27,280 Speaker 1: in bed, in financial bed and increasingly political bed with China, France. 121 00:08:27,520 --> 00:08:31,680 Speaker 1: Macron to me has now shown me his true colors. 122 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:37,959 Speaker 1: Care Starmer, that woke leftist running Britain into the ground 123 00:08:38,520 --> 00:08:42,640 Speaker 1: has clearly shown us the United Kingdom under this leadership 124 00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:48,400 Speaker 1: is not our friend and not our ally. Denmark and 125 00:08:48,480 --> 00:08:52,960 Speaker 1: all these Scandinavian countries, all of these left wing governments, 126 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:59,199 Speaker 1: have now shown again when we need something for us after, 127 00:08:59,480 --> 00:09:00,920 Speaker 1: you know, I want to play if you know I 128 00:09:00,960 --> 00:09:03,560 Speaker 1: could play the god best and cut again. I want 129 00:09:03,559 --> 00:09:06,320 Speaker 1: you to think about the amount of money that we 130 00:09:06,400 --> 00:09:12,160 Speaker 1: have squandered protecting Europe. Remember, since in nineteen eighty we 131 00:09:12,640 --> 00:09:18,720 Speaker 1: just us, the United States has spent twenty two trillion 132 00:09:19,600 --> 00:09:24,520 Speaker 1: with the tea dollars more on military and defense than 133 00:09:24,679 --> 00:09:32,120 Speaker 1: Canada and all the European nations combined combined. Now, what 134 00:09:32,200 --> 00:09:36,920 Speaker 1: did we get out of this? This wasn't protecting us. 135 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:40,760 Speaker 1: We have one of the largest nuclear arsenals and militaries 136 00:09:40,760 --> 00:09:43,439 Speaker 1: in the world. We can defend ourselves. Or you think 137 00:09:43,480 --> 00:09:46,680 Speaker 1: we need Denmark or Canada to defend us, or Germany 138 00:09:46,760 --> 00:09:49,240 Speaker 1: or France or even the United Kingdom. I mean they 139 00:09:49,240 --> 00:09:51,680 Speaker 1: are nice allies when we go to war. But let's 140 00:09:51,720 --> 00:09:54,640 Speaker 1: be honest. You know, we don't need the United Kingdom 141 00:09:54,640 --> 00:09:59,640 Speaker 1: to win our wars. My point being it didn't benefit us. 142 00:10:00,200 --> 00:10:06,959 Speaker 1: It predominantly overwhelmingly benefited them. There's no debate, there's no question. 143 00:10:08,880 --> 00:10:13,040 Speaker 1: And now when we say, you know, we need Greenland, 144 00:10:13,240 --> 00:10:16,440 Speaker 1: I'm sorry it. It's the way the world is. We 145 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:22,080 Speaker 1: need Greenland suddenly. Now they're going to take this all 146 00:10:22,120 --> 00:10:26,240 Speaker 1: the way to the mat They're willing to destroy NATO, 147 00:10:26,520 --> 00:10:30,120 Speaker 1: They're willing to launch a massive trade war, they're willing 148 00:10:30,160 --> 00:10:37,000 Speaker 1: to rupture relationships with US over freaking Greenland, which, by 149 00:10:37,080 --> 00:10:40,520 Speaker 1: the way, will strengthen US so we can protect them 150 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:45,440 Speaker 1: because they keep telling us, all of them, we fear China, 151 00:10:45,679 --> 00:10:51,280 Speaker 1: we fear Russia in particular Putin Boutin, Putin, he's Hitler, Hitler, Hitler. 152 00:10:53,080 --> 00:10:56,720 Speaker 1: But now you can live without us. Now you're willing 153 00:10:56,760 --> 00:11:02,600 Speaker 1: to literally blow up the NATO alliance. So either you've 154 00:11:02,640 --> 00:11:05,439 Speaker 1: been lying to us about the Russians and playing us 155 00:11:05,440 --> 00:11:08,760 Speaker 1: for fools, just wanting us to spend more money to 156 00:11:08,760 --> 00:11:12,920 Speaker 1: protect you, but you don't really need our protection, or 157 00:11:13,520 --> 00:11:16,560 Speaker 1: you guys are being controlled by China and controlled by 158 00:11:16,600 --> 00:11:20,480 Speaker 1: the globalists and the World Economic Forum, and you guys 159 00:11:20,520 --> 00:11:23,120 Speaker 1: are now saying we stand with the new World Order 160 00:11:23,480 --> 00:11:26,720 Speaker 1: against the United States. Now that's fine. You guys want 161 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:30,040 Speaker 1: to make your bed, that's fine. But don't tell me 162 00:11:30,080 --> 00:11:35,400 Speaker 1: we're friends and allies, because friends and allies don't do this. Now. 163 00:11:35,440 --> 00:11:37,080 Speaker 1: I just want to say one other thing before I 164 00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:42,640 Speaker 1: go back to Shelley. George Washington, a founder of Our Country, 165 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:53,640 Speaker 1: Our Nation, famously said quote alliances are temporary because times change, 166 00:11:56,120 --> 00:12:02,360 Speaker 1: meaning circumstances change. That's why you never ever get involved 167 00:12:02,400 --> 00:12:05,520 Speaker 1: in what George Washington said, never get involved in a 168 00:12:05,600 --> 00:12:14,760 Speaker 1: permanent entanglement, meaning a permanent alliance, because times change, countries change, 169 00:12:14,840 --> 00:12:21,560 Speaker 1: government's change, interests change, values change. So, in other words, 170 00:12:22,280 --> 00:12:24,440 Speaker 1: if Washington was by the way I think, if Washington 171 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:25,760 Speaker 1: was a life today, he would have told us to 172 00:12:25,800 --> 00:12:28,440 Speaker 1: pull out of NATO the moment the Soviet Union came 173 00:12:28,480 --> 00:12:32,240 Speaker 1: crashing down and the Warsaw Pact was dissolved. He would 174 00:12:32,280 --> 00:12:34,600 Speaker 1: have said, we won the Cold War. NATO was designed 175 00:12:34,600 --> 00:12:38,200 Speaker 1: to defeat and contain Soviet communism. Soviet Union is gone, 176 00:12:38,440 --> 00:12:43,319 Speaker 1: the Cold War is over, and NATO come home America. Okay, 177 00:12:43,920 --> 00:12:46,360 Speaker 1: But what he would be saying now is hey, look 178 00:12:46,880 --> 00:12:50,720 Speaker 1: who says NATO's permanent. Where is it written in stone 179 00:12:50,720 --> 00:12:55,280 Speaker 1: that NATO has to go on forever. So if the 180 00:12:55,360 --> 00:12:58,520 Speaker 1: Europeans are going to treat us like this, and they've 181 00:12:58,559 --> 00:13:01,120 Speaker 1: now really shown us for the traders that they are, 182 00:13:01,200 --> 00:13:06,880 Speaker 1: the ingrades that they are, frankly, the backstabbers that they are, okay, 183 00:13:07,360 --> 00:13:12,079 Speaker 1: no problem, then you know what, We're out of NATO 184 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:18,800 Speaker 1: by by And so let me go back to Shelley, 185 00:13:19,440 --> 00:13:24,520 Speaker 1: because Shelley, you make a very good point that we've 186 00:13:24,520 --> 00:13:29,800 Speaker 1: defended Europe even fortress. America needs allies. You're completely right, 187 00:13:30,960 --> 00:13:35,360 Speaker 1: and if we want to defend Europe going forward, Greenland 188 00:13:35,520 --> 00:13:38,680 Speaker 1: is going to be the keystone to our security for 189 00:13:38,760 --> 00:13:42,880 Speaker 1: the Arctic and ultimately to our security to protect the 190 00:13:42,920 --> 00:13:47,160 Speaker 1: Europeans and the world. And that if the Europeans were smart, 191 00:13:47,760 --> 00:13:51,640 Speaker 1: they would encourage us to buy NATO, sorry, to buy Greenland, 192 00:13:52,040 --> 00:13:56,240 Speaker 1: because that would strengthen us within NATO. A stronger America 193 00:13:56,400 --> 00:14:00,640 Speaker 1: is a stronger NATO. You're completely right, Shelley. Question to 194 00:14:00,720 --> 00:14:05,080 Speaker 1: you is this, they're not letting us for whatever reason, 195 00:14:05,559 --> 00:14:08,240 Speaker 1: They're not acting rationally, and they're not acting in their 196 00:14:08,240 --> 00:14:11,720 Speaker 1: long term self interest and So my question to you 197 00:14:11,880 --> 00:14:16,800 Speaker 1: is this, Shelley, are the Europeans and Canada are they 198 00:14:16,800 --> 00:14:20,400 Speaker 1: our real allies or have they just shown themselves to 199 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:24,040 Speaker 1: be our false friends? What say you? 200 00:14:24,040 --> 00:14:26,600 Speaker 2: You know, I don't know the answer to that question. 201 00:14:26,720 --> 00:14:30,760 Speaker 2: But what I do think though, is that in my 202 00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:34,480 Speaker 2: life I have seen that European countries, they are smaller, 203 00:14:35,800 --> 00:14:38,320 Speaker 2: they're less capable than the United States is they've always 204 00:14:38,320 --> 00:14:40,840 Speaker 2: been envious the United States. I remember a German woman 205 00:14:40,880 --> 00:14:44,040 Speaker 2: telling me decades ago. She was pontificating on all the 206 00:14:44,080 --> 00:14:46,600 Speaker 2: social spending that's done in German. This is like the 207 00:14:46,680 --> 00:14:49,320 Speaker 2: late eighties, and she looked at me, like, you know, 208 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:53,000 Speaker 2: the implication of what she was saying was that Germany 209 00:14:53,280 --> 00:14:58,560 Speaker 2: is superior to America. And I didn't at that time, 210 00:14:58,560 --> 00:15:00,760 Speaker 2: I didn't really know what to say to her about that. 211 00:15:00,840 --> 00:15:05,360 Speaker 2: But I think maybe maybe we're I wonder if we're 212 00:15:05,520 --> 00:15:09,520 Speaker 2: really playing into China, China's and Russia's hands here if 213 00:15:09,560 --> 00:15:13,080 Speaker 2: we blow up NATO. I'm not a military expert, but 214 00:15:13,160 --> 00:15:15,920 Speaker 2: I know in history we have had to had to 215 00:15:15,960 --> 00:15:19,600 Speaker 2: have basis to defend ourselves in this world and the 216 00:15:19,640 --> 00:15:23,600 Speaker 2: world that George Washington talked about, and it is farewell 217 00:15:23,600 --> 00:15:26,400 Speaker 2: addressed is not the world we're living in today. And 218 00:15:26,560 --> 00:15:29,600 Speaker 2: I don't know that he would say today that we 219 00:15:29,640 --> 00:15:34,520 Speaker 2: should be yanked out of NATO. Surely the Europeans have shirked, 220 00:15:34,960 --> 00:15:38,320 Speaker 2: utterly shirked their responsibilities in this pact. Therefore, at this 221 00:15:38,400 --> 00:15:40,640 Speaker 2: point it's not working, and they should look at themselves 222 00:15:40,680 --> 00:15:43,120 Speaker 2: in the mirror. And I think maybe a solution for 223 00:15:43,280 --> 00:15:46,800 Speaker 2: us would be to keep. If we can't buy the 224 00:15:46,880 --> 00:15:51,080 Speaker 2: thing from the Kingdom of Denmark, then we should be 225 00:15:51,200 --> 00:15:54,160 Speaker 2: very very quietly telling them that. Well, by the way, 226 00:15:54,200 --> 00:15:56,520 Speaker 2: if Russian and China shows up or whoever shows up, 227 00:15:56,880 --> 00:15:59,640 Speaker 2: you lose a Greenland. It's on you, because we're not 228 00:15:59,640 --> 00:16:02,320 Speaker 2: going to just and you. And by the way, before 229 00:16:02,400 --> 00:16:06,840 Speaker 2: that happens, by the way, we'll take it militarily as 230 00:16:06,880 --> 00:16:09,120 Speaker 2: a military necessity. I think that's the solution. 231 00:16:09,240 --> 00:16:13,600 Speaker 1: If we can't, oh, if we can't buy it. Gary 232 00:16:13,800 --> 00:16:18,640 Speaker 1: in South Boston, Thanks for holding Gary, and welcome. 233 00:16:22,520 --> 00:16:22,840 Speaker 3: Gary. 234 00:16:22,880 --> 00:16:23,680 Speaker 1: Do we have Gary? 235 00:16:25,840 --> 00:16:26,160 Speaker 3: All right? 236 00:16:26,200 --> 00:16:29,400 Speaker 1: Let's see if we can reconnect with Gary. Chris in Hingham, 237 00:16:29,880 --> 00:16:32,080 Speaker 1: Thanks for holding Chris and welcome. 238 00:16:33,600 --> 00:16:35,320 Speaker 3: Hey, Jeff, great to talk to you. I'm a I'm 239 00:16:35,320 --> 00:16:37,960 Speaker 3: a big fan and I appreciate everything that you do, 240 00:16:38,160 --> 00:16:41,880 Speaker 3: thank you, thank you, Chris, you welcome. And in this case, 241 00:16:41,920 --> 00:16:44,560 Speaker 3: I do disagree, and I think I might be the 242 00:16:44,600 --> 00:16:48,840 Speaker 3: only one, but it seems like we're taking the native 243 00:16:48,920 --> 00:16:52,200 Speaker 3: Greenland thing to either or. And not too many people 244 00:16:52,240 --> 00:16:54,440 Speaker 3: have been talking about what happened after World War Two 245 00:16:54,440 --> 00:16:57,360 Speaker 3: where we could we have the Defense Treaty or something 246 00:16:57,400 --> 00:17:00,160 Speaker 3: with Denmark where we're allowed to establish basi of a 247 00:17:00,280 --> 00:17:03,280 Speaker 3: and expand bases as it is, and that seems like 248 00:17:03,320 --> 00:17:07,479 Speaker 3: the most reasonable, simplest solution to this question. And did 249 00:17:07,600 --> 00:17:08,720 Speaker 3: you have any thoughts on that. 250 00:17:09,440 --> 00:17:13,960 Speaker 1: Well, Chris, look, normally I would say yeah, I would say, sure, 251 00:17:13,960 --> 00:17:17,199 Speaker 1: we've got a treaty, we can build more bases, we 252 00:17:17,280 --> 00:17:20,640 Speaker 1: can increase our investment in Greenland to get those rare 253 00:17:20,680 --> 00:17:24,919 Speaker 1: earth minerals. Trump's argument counter argument, and I think it's 254 00:17:24,960 --> 00:17:28,720 Speaker 1: a very good one, is Okay, what if Russia makes 255 00:17:28,720 --> 00:17:33,240 Speaker 1: a play on Greenland? Well, fine, we've got military bases there. Yes, 256 00:17:33,359 --> 00:17:37,200 Speaker 1: we can then technically defend Greenland. But before we do anything, 257 00:17:37,920 --> 00:17:41,960 Speaker 1: we have to ask the Greenlandic parliament will they allow 258 00:17:42,040 --> 00:17:44,679 Speaker 1: us to defend them? We then have to go to 259 00:17:44,760 --> 00:17:48,879 Speaker 1: Denmark and ask the Danes will they allow us to 260 00:17:48,960 --> 00:17:54,120 Speaker 1: defend Greenland and Denmark often has coalition governments where they 261 00:17:54,119 --> 00:17:55,880 Speaker 1: have like you know, one major party and like two 262 00:17:55,960 --> 00:17:58,560 Speaker 1: or three or four smaller parties. Well, a lot of 263 00:17:58,600 --> 00:18:01,800 Speaker 1: times there's deadlock because the one or two smaller parties 264 00:18:02,480 --> 00:18:06,320 Speaker 1: can veto any kind of a decision. So Trump's argument is, 265 00:18:06,400 --> 00:18:09,800 Speaker 1: if we're going to confront Russia and China and make 266 00:18:09,880 --> 00:18:13,200 Speaker 1: them part of our Golden Dome and have them be 267 00:18:13,240 --> 00:18:18,680 Speaker 1: a keystone of our security architecture, I can't rely on treaties. 268 00:18:19,359 --> 00:18:23,199 Speaker 1: It's basically we're renting Greenland for us to do what 269 00:18:23,240 --> 00:18:27,399 Speaker 1: we need to do. We have to own Greenland because 270 00:18:27,400 --> 00:18:29,760 Speaker 1: if we need to move, if we need freedom of 271 00:18:29,840 --> 00:18:34,520 Speaker 1: action in case of an invasion or an attack. He says, 272 00:18:34,560 --> 00:18:38,600 Speaker 1: I can't wait for Greenland or Denmark because it could 273 00:18:38,680 --> 00:18:42,240 Speaker 1: be too late. So his argument is for this thing 274 00:18:42,320 --> 00:18:46,320 Speaker 1: to work, we've got to have total control. That those 275 00:18:46,359 --> 00:18:50,280 Speaker 1: treaties worked under the Cold War, yes, but in a 276 00:18:50,320 --> 00:18:54,280 Speaker 1: new age in the twenty first century with Russia. If 277 00:18:54,359 --> 00:18:57,480 Speaker 1: Russia decides to invade Greenland the way they invaded the Ukraine, 278 00:18:58,400 --> 00:19:01,280 Speaker 1: Trump says, who knows what the Europeans will tell us, 279 00:19:01,400 --> 00:19:03,960 Speaker 1: or what Denmark will tell us, or what their coalition 280 00:19:04,040 --> 00:19:07,200 Speaker 1: government will decide, and he said that I can't allow. 281 00:19:07,760 --> 00:19:09,520 Speaker 1: I don't know what you think of that argument, Chris, 282 00:19:09,600 --> 00:19:10,679 Speaker 1: but that's Trump's argument. 283 00:19:13,160 --> 00:19:16,520 Speaker 3: It makes sense. But I do wonder if if really 284 00:19:16,560 --> 00:19:19,400 Speaker 3: the endgame. It seems a lot simpler to have some 285 00:19:19,520 --> 00:19:23,199 Speaker 3: kind of backroom discussions with Denmark and NATO and just 286 00:19:23,359 --> 00:19:26,399 Speaker 3: end up modified this agreement and just get everything we 287 00:19:26,480 --> 00:19:30,159 Speaker 3: need a lot simpler, and it seems simpler faster. And 288 00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:33,679 Speaker 3: then you mentioned the economy and the blowback, where I 289 00:19:33,680 --> 00:19:36,240 Speaker 3: don't think we need to piss everybody off, and then 290 00:19:36,359 --> 00:19:39,560 Speaker 3: we're already we've already added a couple of trillion to 291 00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:42,240 Speaker 3: the debt just in twenty twenty five. I don't know 292 00:19:42,280 --> 00:19:44,680 Speaker 3: if we can afford to buy Greenland, which would be 293 00:19:44,720 --> 00:19:49,320 Speaker 3: the best the base case scenario, and I'd rather use 294 00:19:49,359 --> 00:19:54,359 Speaker 3: that money elsewhere. So that's the economic sanctions, And if 295 00:19:54,400 --> 00:19:56,680 Speaker 3: they know they actually took it on the chin and 296 00:19:56,720 --> 00:19:59,560 Speaker 3: didn't raise tariffs against us when we did, if they 297 00:19:59,560 --> 00:20:02,520 Speaker 3: start doing that, it's gonna I really, I think it's 298 00:20:02,520 --> 00:20:04,640 Speaker 3: going to hurt our economy, which was your point earlier. 299 00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:08,040 Speaker 3: And then if we increase the national debt even more, 300 00:20:08,520 --> 00:20:10,720 Speaker 3: it's just going to be this long term thing, and 301 00:20:11,400 --> 00:20:13,640 Speaker 3: that's that's kind of my thinking. And I do think 302 00:20:13,760 --> 00:20:16,520 Speaker 3: I don't think NATO is done. I think it's in 303 00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:19,439 Speaker 3: our absolute I think they've been underpaying, but it's in 304 00:20:19,480 --> 00:20:23,200 Speaker 3: our absolute interest to keep Russia and China out of Europe. 305 00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:26,800 Speaker 3: And that's what really NATO's for. If NATO weren't there, 306 00:20:27,520 --> 00:20:30,119 Speaker 3: Ukraine would would not even be a discussion. Now there 307 00:20:30,119 --> 00:20:32,199 Speaker 3: would already have Ukraine, and then they would be halfway 308 00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:34,960 Speaker 3: into Europe. And we want them as trading partners, we 309 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:38,080 Speaker 3: want them as open and people forget I think, you know, 310 00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:40,240 Speaker 3: Europe is bigger than the United States. They're like four 311 00:20:40,320 --> 00:20:42,760 Speaker 3: hundred and fifty million people or something and worth three 312 00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:46,480 Speaker 3: fifty ish. If Russia controlled all that were kind of screwed, 313 00:20:46,480 --> 00:20:48,600 Speaker 3: they'll be Russia in China and we would be the 314 00:20:48,760 --> 00:20:51,760 Speaker 3: third man on the totem pole, despite our nuclear weapons 315 00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:54,000 Speaker 3: in military, and I just I wouldn't want to end 316 00:20:54,080 --> 00:20:54,480 Speaker 3: up there. 317 00:20:55,560 --> 00:20:59,480 Speaker 1: Well, you know, Chris, look historically for thousands of years, 318 00:20:59,520 --> 00:21:03,280 Speaker 1: Europe is defended itself. And I hear where you're coming from. 319 00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:07,679 Speaker 1: You're making excellent arguments, but look, Germany's GDP, they're one 320 00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:11,159 Speaker 1: of the wealthiest countries in the world, and historically the 321 00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:14,440 Speaker 1: Germans have been formidable in war. No one's gonna tell 322 00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:16,520 Speaker 1: me that the Germans can't build up a first rate 323 00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:21,640 Speaker 1: military to ward off Putin's Russia, Great Britain, also France, 324 00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:26,480 Speaker 1: they also have nuclear weapons. You've got Poland, which historically 325 00:21:26,520 --> 00:21:30,080 Speaker 1: has been a tiger against the Russians. So honestly, I 326 00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:33,239 Speaker 1: don't know even if NATO dissolved, whether Putin would just 327 00:21:33,320 --> 00:21:36,199 Speaker 1: march into Europe. I don't think he would. But you know, 328 00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:38,720 Speaker 1: let's just say, for the sake of argument, we need NATO, 329 00:21:39,119 --> 00:21:42,879 Speaker 1: and let's keep NATO. Okay, why can't NATO just let 330 00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:46,800 Speaker 1: us buy Greenland? Like I think this is what stunned Trump. Chris, 331 00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:50,919 Speaker 1: to be honest, he thought, look, Worpe gets stronger, that'll 332 00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:54,560 Speaker 1: make us even more prepared to be able to defend 333 00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:59,520 Speaker 1: Europe and protect NATO. And I think he stunned at 334 00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:01,080 Speaker 1: the fierce opposition.