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Speaker 1: It's Night Side with Dan Ray. I'm WBZ Costin Radio.

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Speaker 2: All right. We have been following the situation in Minnesota,

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Speaker 2: Minneapolis and Saint Paul, primarily the Twin Cities for the

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Speaker 2: last few nights. Obviously, we've had some some events out

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Speaker 2: there which have cost the lives of two people. There's

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Speaker 2: a lot to discuss here, but all of a sudden,

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Speaker 2: at least in the last oh I don't know, twenty

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Speaker 2: think the Democrats would be much smarter to listen to

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Speaker 2: the comments that are made by people like Governor Shapiro

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Speaker 2: of Pennsylvania, also a Senator feder of Pennsylvania. So I

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Speaker 2: want to start off with Josh Shapiro, the governor of Pennsylvania,

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Speaker 2: who is obviously very much upset with what he has

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Speaker 2: seen in Minneapolis and Saint Paul, and he in speaking

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Speaker 2: with CNN, basically warned the Trump administration because that's who

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Speaker 2: he is talking about and who he's talking to here.

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Speaker 2: This is Governor Josh Shapiro of Pennsylvania. Cut fifteen police.

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Speaker 3: Rup We've invested in hiring two thousand more police officers,

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Speaker 3: and we've invested hundreds and millions of dollars in violence

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Speaker 3: prevention initiatives at the local level. What we are doing

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Speaker 3: is working. What we don't want are outside forces coming

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Speaker 3: in and eroding that trust and creating chaos. You know,

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Speaker 3: Donald Trump and his administration love to put themselves out

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Speaker 3: there as the party of law and order. What we

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Speaker 3: see from them is not law and order but chaos

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Speaker 3: and division. And I would argue that I believe they

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Speaker 3: are acting outside the bounds of the law in Minneapolis,

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Speaker 3: and not just the two incidents that resulted in the

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Speaker 3: death of mister Pretty and miss Good, but just the

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Speaker 3: very premise of their mission being there. I think that's

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Speaker 3: outside the law and the bounds of the Tenth Amendments.

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Speaker 3: Tenth Amendment, pardon me. And so it is something we

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Speaker 3: are prepared for. And I will work with anyone to

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Speaker 3: keep people safe, but I'll stand up to anyone that

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Speaker 3: undermines that safety.

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Speaker 2: It's always interesting to hear a democratic governor evoke the

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Speaker 2: Tenth Amendment. I would recommend that maybe Governor Shapiro should

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Speaker 2: review Arizona versus United States, a Supreme Court case that

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Speaker 2: came down in twenty twelve and it ruled that basically

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Speaker 2: the federal government usurps the authority of any state government

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Speaker 2: under the Supremacy Clause to regulate immigration laws and enforcement. Again,

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Speaker 2: any of you can find this case Arizona versus United States.

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Speaker 2: It was decided on June twenty fifth, twenty twelve. That's

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Speaker 2: the case where Jan Brewer, the governor of at the time,

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Speaker 2: the Republican governor of Arizona, ended up pointing her finger

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Speaker 2: in the face of President Obama. I think it was

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Speaker 2: at the Phoenix Airport well, but so Josh Shapiro at

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Speaker 2: least is taking a position which is understandable. Listen now

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Speaker 2: to the rhetoric of the District Attorney of Philadelphia, Larry Krasner.

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Speaker 2: Now remember John Fetterman. We played a sound by from

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Speaker 2: him yesterday saying that the use of the term Nazis

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Speaker 2: towards Ice or towards anyone with whom you disagree, is

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Speaker 2: over the top. This is the District Attorney of Philadelphia,

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Speaker 2: Larry Krasner, cut seventeen rum.

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Speaker 4: I want you to understand that just as you have

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Speaker 4: come together, there are state prosecutors coming together right now

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Speaker 4: to make sure that people understand there will be accountability,

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Speaker 4: there will be accountability now, there will be accountability in

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Speaker 4: the future.

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Speaker 5: There will be accountability after Trump is out of office.

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Speaker 5: If we have to hunt you down the way they.

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Speaker 4: Hunted down Nazis for decades, we will find your identities,

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Speaker 4: we will find.

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Speaker 2: You, we will achieve justice, and we.

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Speaker 5: Will do so under the Constitution and the.

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Speaker 2: Laws of the United States. Yeah, right, Okay, So where

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Speaker 2: do these ideas come from. Well, oftentimes they come from

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Speaker 2: law school professors like NYA you professor Scott Galloway. He

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Speaker 2: did a podcast interview late recently in which he talks

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Speaker 2: about Nuremberg Trials, which of course were four Nazi war

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Speaker 2: Please Rob.

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Speaker 6: What I'm suggesting is, and again I've struggled with this

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Speaker 6: my whole life, the difference between being right and being effective.

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Speaker 6: And we're angry, and I get it. Protesting is powerful,

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Speaker 6: promising them that there will be an accountability. And I've

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Speaker 6: said this, I think there should be something equivalent to

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Speaker 6: the Nuremberg Trials. This is all over and to make

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Speaker 6: it clear that once we're back in power, which we

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Speaker 6: of Limitations on murder is never.

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Speaker 2: Oh interesting. Well, there's a candidate running for Ohio attorney general.

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Speaker 2: His name is Elliott Fourhian. I don't know how the

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Speaker 2: rhetoric can get much stronger than this guy, but I

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Speaker 2: guess there's always that possibility. Cut twenty two, Rob, this

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Speaker 2: is your Democratic candidate for Attorney General in the state

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Speaker 7: This is Elliott Fourhand, candidate for Ohio Attorney General. I

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Speaker 7: want to tell you what I mean when I say

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Speaker 7: that I am going to kill Donald Trump. I mean

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Speaker 7: I'm going to obtain a conviction rendered by a jury

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Speaker 7: of his peers at a standard of proof beyond a

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Speaker 7: reasonable doubt, based on evidence presented at a trial conducted

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Speaker 7: in accordance with the requirements of due process, resulting in

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Speaker 7: a sentence duly executed of capital punishment. That is what

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Speaker 7: I mean when I say that I'm going to kill him,

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Speaker 7: Donald Trump.

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Speaker 2: That certainly doesn't throw gasoline fire, does it. I don't

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Speaker 2: know how any politician in America can engage in conversations

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Speaker 2: like that period. And if that does nothing, that does

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Speaker 2: nothing to it makes I think it hurts the Democrats incredibly,

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Speaker 2: And you almost wonder if this guy is actually an

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Speaker 2: operative of President Trump. I mean he isn't obviously, but

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Speaker 2: that is crazy talk. And what Krasner said is crazy talk.

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Speaker 2: And if the radicals of the Democratic Party want to

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Speaker 2: run candidates like that, god forbid they get elected number

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Speaker 2: one and number two. You run candidates like that, and

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Speaker 2: you can only get you will only guarantee a Republican sweep.

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Speaker 2: So I want to open up the lines. I don't

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Speaker 2: see how Governor Waltz, Mayor Fry of Minneapolis, and Tom

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Speaker 2: Holman and the Trump administration can come to some sort

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Speaker 2: of an agreement here. I mean, I don't know. I

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Speaker 2: don't see a middle ground the you know, unless the

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Speaker 2: Trump administrations says, we have completed our job in Minnesota

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Speaker 2: and whatever middle ground might have existed, I think it's

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Speaker 2: just blown up when you have people like the district

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Speaker 2: attorney general candidate in Ohio talking about executing Donald Trump

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Speaker 2: capital punishment. I mean, all of a sudden, you're gonna

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Speaker 2: say he probably be rooting for the good old days

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Speaker 2: of a simple impeachment trial. Six one seven, two, five, four,

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Speaker 2: We're coming right back to Night Side. More phone calls,

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Speaker 2: and I want to hear from you whatever your point

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Speaker 2: of view is. But if you're nuts, I mean, if

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Speaker 2: you're totally nuts, I'm going to challenge you. Whether you're

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Speaker 2: and we're going to have a conversation. But if you

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Speaker 2: want to have a conversation, let's have at it, because uh,

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Speaker 2: I don't want to see any violence on anyone, whether

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Speaker 2: in this country. And people who engage in that conversation,

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Speaker 2: they have forfeited, in my opinion, the right to stand

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Speaker 2: for public office in America. Back in Night's Side, right

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Speaker 2: after these messages. Six one seven, two, five, four, ten

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Speaker 1: You're on nights Side with Dan Ray. I'm Boston's News Radio.

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Speaker 2: Okay, let's get it go. I'm gonna go to David

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Speaker 2: and you make a plan. Hey David, welcome back to night. Said,

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Speaker 2: how are you, sir?

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Speaker 8: Very well? I'm very well Dan. How about yourself? Dan?

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Speaker 8: For the life of me, I can't understand whenever anybody

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Speaker 8: mentions not he's a Nuremberg or how come that isn't

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Speaker 8: considered major anti Semitism. I mean, Hitler killed six million

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Speaker 8: Jewish people. And when you just throw those words around

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Speaker 8: like they mean nothing, I just it's so anthing semetic

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Speaker 9: It drives me.

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Speaker 8: When they saw those words around like that, it's it's

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Speaker 8: bizarre to me. Along with the other you know, bizarre

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Speaker 8: You know, you ever heard the phrase you give somebody

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, that's exactly what I feel. What I feel

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Speaker 2: like here again the horror of the Holocaust, and we

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Speaker 2: just celebrated what was it yesterday, the Holocaust Remembrance Day

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Speaker 2: forty one years ago. The concentration camp at Auschwitz was

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Speaker 2: liberated by Russian soldiers eighty one years ago. And you

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Speaker 2: are many people who are alive today who were alive

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Speaker 2: right if if you somehow compare whatever is going on

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Speaker 2: want to say lost their lives. They did lose their lives.

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Speaker 2: They were killed in gas chambers. And it diminishes the

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Speaker 2: historical horror of the anti Semitism that swept Europe in

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Speaker 2: don't understand why there aren't rational democrats. And I don't

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Speaker 2: know if you're a Democrat, independent or whatever, but why

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Speaker 2: that language is not helpful. It's not helpful to our cause.

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Speaker 2: And we can criticize the overreaction. I criticized the other night,

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Speaker 2: I guess it was Monday night. I was very uncomfortable

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Speaker 2: watching what happened to this to this nurse Alex pretty uh,

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Speaker 2: And if there are officers who who lost their judgment,

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Speaker 8: But well, I totally, I totally agree with that, and

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Speaker 8: it's and it's horrible. The loss of life is terrible.

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Speaker 8: I ran a bar room next to a police state.

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Speaker 8: The cop told me one time, a person that complies

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Speaker 10: But I think my.

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Speaker 8: Other point is this is that I work at a

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Speaker 8: with lots and lots of legal immigrants, and they understand

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Speaker 8: the American way in the American dream better than I do,

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Speaker 8: and I was born here. They are fantastic. They get

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Speaker 8: the legal immigrants and this SUF do not need anybody's help.

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Speaker 8: They are unbelievably handy. They're unbelievably smart. They know the

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Speaker 8: American dream.

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Speaker 9: Better than I do. And I don't understand how this

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Speaker 9: It's bizarre to me because the legal immigrants are doing

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Speaker 9: fantastic in this country. It's wonderful to see you should

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Speaker 9: you should work where I work and see the joy

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Speaker 2: Well, first of all, I agree with you number one.

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Speaker 2: Number two, I have many friends who have gone through

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Speaker 2: say to them, in all honesty, I believe that you

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Speaker 2: Back to the calls. Let's go to Bill and Easton. Bill,

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Speaker 11: Hi, Dan, How did you say someone had threatened the president?

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Speaker 2: I did well. I played the words of the guy

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Speaker 2: who's running for attorney general in the state of Ohio.

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Speaker 2: Would you like to hear what he said? Sure? Okay,

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Speaker 7: Well, with his elliot forehand candidate for Ohio Attorney General.

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Speaker 7: I want to tell you what I mean when I

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's trying to be cute, obviously, but he's invoking

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Speaker 11: I want to know what the Secret Service thinks about that.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think that he has the right to say that, okay,

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Speaker 2: I mean, I think the guy's nuts to say something

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Speaker 11: You're the attorney. But it's my understanding that this crosses

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Speaker 11: Debate your and and he's dead serious. Well he's I

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm sure this is that's a crier of this.

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Speaker 11: That's a high felony that's been committed again.

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Speaker 8: I mean, and that's I've never heard of that though.

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Speaker 11: That's I don't even know if that that exists.

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Speaker 11: So ibe we could research the statute, you know that

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Speaker 11: They've been getting. Yeah, as far as Immig is concerned,

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Speaker 2: So how does this become selective enforcement?

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Speaker 11: I think Trump's has already.

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Speaker 2: Said yes, he said that. He has said that.

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Speaker 11: Hey, on a lighter topic, what do you think about

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Speaker 2: The plow drivers, I thought, yeah, what do you think

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Speaker 11: I've heard a lot of complaints, specifically in Worcester Mayor.

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Speaker 2: You know, so I haven't driven in Worcester in two years.

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Speaker 11: Probably very narrow, very narrow.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well again, I think it was tough. It was

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Speaker 11: We're better than that, Dan, We're the strongest nation in

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Speaker 2: I think why now is built Some night when the

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Speaker 2: give me a call and we'll get some of the

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Speaker 2: PLoud drivers to comment. Thanks much, doctor suit. Let me

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Speaker 2: go to Larry and milis Larry next on nightside.

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Speaker 12: Welcome Dan on some of the of course, I've heard

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Speaker 12: of the politicians say, but getting on the procedures as

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Speaker 12: some of these ice agents are doing. I spent forty

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Speaker 12: years in full time placework, and everything they were doing

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Speaker 12: is specifical a way we're trained not to do. That's

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Speaker 12: both my military place as well as by civilian place

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Speaker 12: training Right down the line, they did six different things

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Speaker 12: were pacifically told not to do, and both in the

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Speaker 12: case of that women as well as as as the

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Speaker 12: nurse by mister Pratt.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so so let's let's take him Larry, real quickly,

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Speaker 2: since since you called in, I'd love to get your

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Speaker 2: perspective as a former police officer, civilian and military. So

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Speaker 2: in the case of the woman in the car, I agree,

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Speaker 2: I think that they should have allowed her to drive off.

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Speaker 2: They had the license plate and you know, go go

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Speaker 2: and charge her or whatever you want, but to unload,

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Speaker 2: you know, three shots into her at point blank range.

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Speaker 2: I don't understand how you know that. I've watched that video.

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Speaker 2: So what did what?

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Speaker 8: What?

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Speaker 2: What were the mistakes? What would have you done in

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Speaker 2: that circumstance?

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Speaker 12: Okay, Well, in the first place, when you approached, the

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Speaker 12: first man on the scene is the only one that

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Speaker 12: should be speaking. She had two people saying two different

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Speaker 12: things to her distracting her, and the other man had

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Speaker 12: been on the right rear of the car with her

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Speaker 12: wife standing right behind him, and he walked the full

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Speaker 12: length of the car and walked in front of the

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Speaker 12: car while the only ones were distracting him.

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Speaker 2: Correct the only one that was speaking, Larry, just make

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Speaker 2: sure I don'tant to understand what you're saying, Okay. The

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Speaker 2: two people who were speaking were the officer who had

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Speaker 2: approached the car and was trying to I think at

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Speaker 2: some point opened the door in or get in and

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Speaker 2: get and grab the keys. And then the other person

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Speaker 2: who has heard to say anything was her partner, her

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Speaker 2: wife or spouse whatever, who told her, you know, drive away,

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Speaker 2: drive away. Those were the two people. I don't think

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Speaker 2: they were two ice officers speaking. I don't know that

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Speaker 2: the guy with the camera who eventually shot her had

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Speaker 2: spoken to her. He walked by her door and she said,

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Speaker 2: you know, I'm not mad at you or something like that.

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Speaker 2: She didn't seem like a threat. He then walked around

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Speaker 2: and ended up on the front left. He could have

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Speaker 2: got out of the way. In my opinion, if if

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Speaker 2: if he.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, he did and he walked, he shouldn't be walking

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Speaker 12: without any difficulty after that when he was on the film.

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Speaker 2: Yeh yeah, although they're saying then he went, so, so

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Speaker 2: what was wrong? Tell me break down for me from

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Speaker 2: your perspective. The other case, the the Alex Pretty case,

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Speaker 2: which I think was more outrageous because there were five

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Speaker 2: or six police officers or ICE agents or border patrol.

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Speaker 2: He wasn't going anywhere. There there was you know, they

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Speaker 2: had him tackled and he was on the ground. Yep.

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Speaker 12: As a matter of fact, they got six of them

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Speaker 12: kicking him. And in forty years I've never kicked anybody ever.

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Speaker 12: That's not a legitimate tactic.

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Speaker 2: Well, there was one guy who looked like he was

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Speaker 2: trying to whack him on the head some implement that

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Speaker 2: the guy was. I agree with you. You know, the

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Speaker 2: thing escalated. He he did interject himself. There were some

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Speaker 2: other women. There were two women I believe who were

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Speaker 2: in some sort of confrontation or whatever. And you saw

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Speaker 2: the same thing I did. Oh oh, yes, he went

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Speaker 2: in there and he interjected himself. At that point, I

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Speaker 2: think Ice had a right to arrest him. They didn't

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Speaker 2: have right to shoot him or kill him.

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Speaker 12: No, and beat him either. I used to use only

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Speaker 12: the amount of force that is necessary to subdue control.

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Speaker 12: And once you've got that, and the only time I've

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Speaker 12: even hit anybody with even a club was when he

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Speaker 12: pulled a straight raiser me. I broke all four of

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Speaker 12: his fingers, and other than that, in forty years, I've

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Speaker 12: never actually injured anybody I've locked up.

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Speaker 2: Well, better that he ended up with broken fingers than

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Speaker 2: you ended up with a slip throat, that's for sure.

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Speaker 12: Never fired a gun at anybody in forty years ever, or.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 12: And I've even dealt with cases in the military where

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Speaker 12: I've taken in arrived at the scene where we're eleven

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Speaker 12: of them worthy assailant and the shoulder were both still

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Speaker 12: on the scene, and nine of them murders. The other

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Speaker 12: two weren't because the guys didn't die.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, Larry, I commend you, commend you for your service.

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Speaker 2: I wish that the officers in the alex Preddyk said

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Speaker 2: they should have cuffed him and and arrested him, mon

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Speaker 2: charge him with him obstructing and ICE agents. Absolutely, and

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Speaker 2: whether he's an American citizen or not, it doesn't allow

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Speaker 2: him any more than someone If you were arresting somebody

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Speaker 2: back when you were on the force, and I jumped

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Speaker 2: into it and prevented you from doing your job, you

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Speaker 2: are a colleague, had every right to arrest me.

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Speaker 12: Oh yeah, I don't have any problems. I'm arresting. What

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Speaker 12: is the excessive force that was totally unnecessary.

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Speaker 2: And yeah, I mean I don't even the excessive force.

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Speaker 2: I assume you're talking about them shooting him. I don't

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Speaker 2: have a problem with three or four of them controlling him,

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Speaker 2: because maybe it took more than one or two to

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Speaker 2: control him. I don't know that. I wasn't there. I'd

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Speaker 2: love to, you know, we could figure it out. But

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Speaker 2: you know, they're all on the ground. Someone's got one leg,

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Speaker 2: someone's got an arm, cough from get him up, put

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Speaker 2: him in, you know, and arrest him. Larry got a run.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much, appreciate it. Thank call more often.

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Speaker 12: Admit, Yeah, and I may add to that. Actually, I'm

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Speaker 12: in a complete agreement with what you have said too.

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Speaker 12: And let's let's go on to the next caller.

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Speaker 2: Thank you man, Talk soon, Gord. Bye, Happy new Year.

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Speaker 2: Take a quick break six one, seven thirty six seven.

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Speaker 2: Right back on night.

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Speaker 1: Side, Night Side with Dan Ray. I'm telling you bes

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Speaker 1: Boston's news Radio.

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Speaker 2: Back to the phones. We go ahead, Tom and Dorchester.

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Speaker 2: Tom next on night Side, Welcome, Hi, Jan, Thank John.

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Speaker 12: I was always I was always taught to obey the

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Speaker 12: police whatever they say you're doing, and you don't do

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Speaker 12: many hassles or any trouble and.

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Speaker 10: You'll be all right.

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Speaker 2: That's the same way talk I look I have. You know,

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Speaker 2: over my time, particularly as a reporter, there were many

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Speaker 2: times when uh, you know, police would tell myself and

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Speaker 2: my camera person at the time to move back, and

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Speaker 2: generally we were on a public street, uh, And I

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Speaker 2: knew that I could say to them, well, this is

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Speaker 2: a public street, but but what difference would it make.

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Speaker 2: I would comply and that didn't prevent me from doing

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Speaker 2: my job. As a matter of fact, one of the

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Speaker 2: last major stories that I was on in the final

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Speaker 2: few months of my television career, there's a Manchester police

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Speaker 2: officer who was shot up in Manchester, New Hampshire, and

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Speaker 2: there was a man hunt on. By the time we

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Speaker 2: got up there at five o'clock in the morning, there

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Speaker 2: was a man hunt on and one of my photographers

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Speaker 2: was told by the police to back away. Now, you know,

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Speaker 2: that's all I needed to hear. My photographers started and

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Speaker 2: argue with him. I said, don't argue with him. You know,

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Speaker 2: his focus should not be on you. His focus should

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Speaker 2: be in finding the person that shot his colleague. That's

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Speaker 2: what it comes down to. And you're the same way.

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Speaker 2: Tom if you get pulled over and because you've gone

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Speaker 2: through a yellow light, or you think it was green

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Speaker 2: but the police officer think it had turned to red

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Speaker 2: or whatever. The more polite you are, the less likely

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Speaker 2: you're you're gonna get a ticket. You probably will get

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Speaker 2: a warning. Most police officers will tell you that if

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Speaker 2: you are respectful and you say, gee, I may have

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Speaker 2: there was no one coming from behind me. Whatever caused

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Speaker 2: you to do it, you know, as opposed to why

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Speaker 2: you're stopping me, you get you get adversaria with the

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Speaker 2: police officer. Human nature takes over and you probably are

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Speaker 2: gonna It's not gonna end as well as you'd like

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Speaker 2: it to end.

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Speaker 8: Simple as that, Ry Kenny. They just want to go

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Speaker 8: home every night safely.

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Speaker 1: The chaps out him.

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Speaker 9: Sure, much more than a reglar citizen.

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Speaker 2: You got it, You absolutely have it. Hey, Tom, Thank

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Speaker 2: you much. I gotta wrap it for the night. Thanks,

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Speaker 2: thanks much, Tom. We'll wrap it up. I don't feel

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Speaker 2: like doing a post game tonight, but I will tell

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Speaker 2: you that all dogs, all cats, all pets go to heaven.

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Speaker 2: That's my pal Charlie Rays, who passed fifteen years going

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Speaker 2: February sixteen years going February. That's why your pets are past.

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Speaker 2: They loved you, you love them. I do believe you

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Speaker 2: see them again. Hope see you tomorrow night at nightside.

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Speaker 2: Rob Brooks, screet job. Thank you,