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Speaker 1: Uh, and this is the Mark Man Show. The movie

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Speaker 1: I don't know if Dubus has yet met face to

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Speaker 1: the Penguins give in either. But they shouldn't. Gino is

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Speaker 1: There's a real short list with Pittsburgh athletes who you

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Speaker 1: top of the rung below, especially at thirty nine years old.

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Speaker 1: But if you want Steeler talk, I got Steeler talk.

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Speaker 1: Let's bring on Tommy Football tom Who would you rather have?

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Speaker 1: And I'll get to this later in detail at quarterback

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Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers or Kyler Murray if Arizona lets him go,

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Speaker 1: because Murray would cost the minimum. If he leaves Arizona,

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Speaker 1: kind of like Russell Wilson when he left Denver. What

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Speaker 1: would you think? Who would you have?

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Speaker 2: I don't think Kyler Murray is by any shakes a

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Speaker 2: the potential to be a future. He still has years

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Speaker 2: he's still not running forty.

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Speaker 1: Two or forty three or fifty five or whatever the frik.

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Speaker 2: He is fifteen plus years older, so that's just obvious.

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Speaker 2: But yes, I would rather take the gamble on Kyler

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Speaker 1: Like I said about if you brought him a leak Willis,

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Speaker 1: what I suggested with Willis. You're hedging your bet that

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Speaker 1: short term, and now with Rogers they're just stuck on

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Speaker 2: In your Milik Willis scenario, I would like that path

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Speaker 2: much more than Malik Willis. A it's gonna be cheaper

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Speaker 2: Murray than Malik Willis. Yeah, he's got more of a

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Speaker 1: And by way of proving your point, Tom, the interest

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Speaker 2: You know, when they floated out that he's wanting thirty

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Speaker 1: You know what hurt him in that regard to was

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Speaker 2: The reason you would choose Kyler Murray over Rogers in

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Speaker 1: Those The reason you do, no, I think Kyler Murray

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Speaker 1: Game manager. And let me tell you something. Rogers does

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Speaker 2: Will that last one that freelances his routes a little bit.

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Speaker 2: He's not, you know, pinpoint tight on everything, because that

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Speaker 1: For the Steelers are scared to death of Rogers, and

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Speaker 2: to you, like we're gonna go through May before Rogers decides.

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Speaker 1: Embarrassed to talk about it. I'll be embarrassed when I

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Speaker 2: Kyler Murray would be something that I think would be

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Speaker 1: I think, on a scale a one to ten, among

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and back to your point about you know who

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Speaker 2: gives you a better chance to win this coming year.

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Speaker 2: If Murray gives you a chance to win this year

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Speaker 1: Forward, Rodgers should not get more than one year out

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Speaker 1: of it. I don't think so. And I predicted last

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Speaker 2: Probably not, but he does. He just gets rid of

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Speaker 1: He's good at he can m just got off. He's

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Speaker 1: is pucellanimous, Aaron Rodgers Grandpa game manager is nothing back

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Speaker 1: there if not pusillanimous. I heard some talk about draft

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Speaker 1: It's not surprising.

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Speaker 2: I don't think that he's kind of being the guy

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Speaker 2: is that central casting quarterback right well, the part five

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Speaker 2: he just looks exactly like you need that NFL quarterback

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Speaker 2: he's terrible. He's like a fifty two percent completion percentage

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Speaker 2: But I will say this, there was definitely an element

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Speaker 2: think they kind of baked a little bit of Tomlin

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Speaker 2: You know what, I mean, like, we don't want turnovers,

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Speaker 2: don't push the envelope, Like this is a guy that

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Speaker 2: you should be throwing the ball like forty fifty times

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Speaker 2: you think would dictate them to do so. So maybe

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Speaker 2: a coach in the NFL could talk themselves into I

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Speaker 2: could still unlock this talent there.

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Speaker 1: Who do you think is gonna have a better NFL career,

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Speaker 1: Aller or Howard.

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Speaker 2: They're both gonna be backups. I that's hard to predict, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I just you know what's gonna happen to Tom and

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Speaker 2: neither will start. This will be glorious.

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Speaker 1: Howard's gonna play against a bunch of guys who will

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Speaker 1: be backing grocery after training camp, and he'll rip up

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Speaker 1: the exhibitions and the time will be on fire.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and perhaps maybe the Steelers talk themselves into even

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Speaker 2: not even taking a Steeler or a quarterback in the

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty seven draft because of what you saw Odawill

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Speaker 2: Howard in the preseason.

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Speaker 1: I did quarterback talk. I'm ashamed. One oh five to nine.

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Speaker 3: It's the Woody showing way better than NPR week warnings

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Speaker 3: at six on.

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Speaker 1: The X. Hey it's Mark Madden. Forget this almost fifty

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Speaker 1: pounds talk. Okay, let's talk hockey as God intended and

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Speaker 1: bring on Tommy Hockey. Tom. I know the Penguins can't

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Speaker 1: trade for Vince Trocheck. Minnesota and Colorado will offer more.

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Speaker 1: Trocheck's a little old for the Penguins rebuilding. He's thirty two.

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Speaker 2: Colorado, which you know is an East by any stretch

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Speaker 1: What he did for Team USA. Yeah, he gets reunited

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Speaker 1: he's making that switcherood despite having got five of six

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Speaker 2: Thes no muses hit all the right mostly the right

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Speaker 2: like Raquel, even though it hasn't hurt him hitting this

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Speaker 2: I bet Kendall plays so well tonight between those two

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Speaker 1: He can. It's funny though him between the big boys,

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Speaker 2: You get my drift, No, but Kevin Hayes can can

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Speaker 2: And he's just been like a Tasmanian devil for this

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Speaker 1: Now, in terms of other guys, the Penguins could get

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Speaker 1: Somebody said Ryan O'Reilly, But he's thirty five, four million

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Speaker 1: I didn't get traded. Maybe the Penguins can get him.

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Speaker 1: He's bigger than Connor Sherry. Now, Tom, what you gotta

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Speaker 1: And this is just for the short term. It's just

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Speaker 2: And it's not, you know, a trade deadline deal, because

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Speaker 2: quite honest with you, Mark, I don't think they survive

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Speaker 1: Make the playoffs with Crosby without it. They haven't yet.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, Chinnikov looks no, no, no question about that.

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Speaker 1: You know What's funny, Whoever gets Vince, no matter what

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Speaker 2: No, I mean, Vince is gonna take it with Grays

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Speaker 2: And don't don't you think too that it sucks to

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Speaker 2: Am I allowed to say none of the above? Am

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Speaker 1: that can keep a team afloat, and he is, and boy,

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Speaker 1: I'd hate to play them in the first round just

433
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Speaker 1: because of the Islanders. And you look at what they

434
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Speaker 1: got and they're not a great matchup. They got they

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Speaker 1: got the winger what's his name, the kid from Notre Dame,

436
00:19:29,280 --> 00:19:32,200
Speaker 1: big guy scores like crazy against the Pagnas. They've got

437
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Speaker 1: Barzol too, they got they got Shaeffer, they got Soroken

438
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Speaker 1: and Gold Like, it's just they got a bunch of

439
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Speaker 1: a bunch of guys who are a bad matchup, That's what. Yeah.

440
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Speaker 1: Just like so like I don't want to play them

441
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Speaker 1: a lot he can again, Yeah, right, Oh, that's right.

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Speaker 1: I forgot he's there. So so even though I think

443
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Speaker 1: it can beat them, and you know what happened, you

444
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Speaker 1: know in ninety three and seventy five and eight, all

445
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Speaker 1: those times, it doesn't relate until it does.

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Speaker 2: I know they're just such the bogie team, but it

447
00:20:04,760 --> 00:20:06,720
Speaker 2: does really feel like they're on a collision course. I

448
00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:09,320
Speaker 2: guess the Flyers they're on a three game winning streak

449
00:20:09,400 --> 00:20:11,440
Speaker 2: right now that they could wake up a little bit.

450
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Speaker 1: But well, talk has made them better, no doubt. Like

451
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Speaker 1: his critics, nobody wants to admit that, like people saying

452
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Speaker 1: that he says Mitchkoff is out of shape and that's

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Speaker 1: why does he get more time. Well, maybe Mitchkoff is

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Speaker 1: out of shape, just like I mean, you can say

455
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Speaker 1: that Talk's not been good for Mitch Cough. But they

456
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Speaker 1: got that Zegres who was a carnival act with Anaheim,

457
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Speaker 1: and he's made him into a decent player, albeit someone

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Speaker 1: don't like to kill.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's a true flyer, right, So he's made

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Speaker 2: him into a flyer, no doubt. And I don't think

461
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Speaker 2: they're gonna wake up though. And the Penguins can you know,

462
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Speaker 2: kind of knit that in the bud themselves on Saturday

463
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Speaker 2: by beating them head to head.

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Speaker 1: That's Tom, I'm Mark I'm so ashamed. I talked about

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Speaker 1: the quarterback to lead off the show one five ninety X.

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Speaker 1: Tonight the Pens face the Bruins.

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Speaker 2: Game time is seven, Our coverage starts at six here

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Speaker 2: every game and the best coverage right.

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Speaker 1: Here on your home of the Pens one five nine DX.

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Speaker 1: A Pittsburgh March is here in the eight ten Men's

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Speaker 1: basketball Championship is just days away. Tickets or your fingertips

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Speaker 1: and som on one oh five nine DX. It's the

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Speaker 1: first dollar of the Mark Man Show, sometimes referred to

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Speaker 1: as the pregame, including I Think just a minute Ago,

475
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Speaker 1: brought to us by Shandorovitch, Shandrovitch and Fishman. They got

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Speaker 1: your back, not your wallet. Here's a great quote. An

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Speaker 1: ESPN executive said he sees Caitlyn Clark as quote a

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Speaker 1: gateway drug to watching women's sports. A that's hilarious and

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Speaker 1: B it's correct. I just don't watch women's sports except

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Speaker 1: for the US hockey and soccer teams, but I occasionally

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Speaker 1: will watch Caitlyn Clark. If I'm flipping the dial, Tom

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Speaker 1: do you watch Caitland Clark play, Yeah, I do.

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Speaker 2: My wife played basketball at college at Allegheny College. So

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Speaker 2: she watches the w NBA a lot and me, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: by Medville.

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Speaker 1: I bet, I bet she knows the athletic trainer there.

487
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Speaker 1: He was the Meadville high school hockey coach, won a

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Speaker 1: bunch of states, Jamie Plunk. If he was there, how

489
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Speaker 1: long has he been there? A million years? Yeah, then

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Speaker 1: she definitely knows him.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, so she watches, you know, college basketball, watched

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Speaker 2: at Iowa and watching some w NBA as well too.

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Speaker 2: But I will say this, she didn't start watching w

494
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Speaker 2: NBA herself as much as she does until Caitlin Clark

495
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Speaker 2: actually got there from Iowa. There's there's a huge swath

496
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Speaker 2: of that too, where they were like college basketball fans

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Speaker 2: that went into the w NBA for the first time.

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Speaker 1: What what's Clark's team, Indie Fever, Indie n Fever. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: the Fever, that's a good name it is. Yeah, I don't.

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Speaker 1: I mean, if I'm flipping the dial and she's on,

501
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Speaker 1: I'll watch, like, you know, eight or ten minutes. But

502
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Speaker 1: and she does not get me watching more women's sports.

503
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Speaker 1: But I think that ESPN executive has a point. There's

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Speaker 1: that that sports bar, I think in East Liberty a

505
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Speaker 1: Title nine where they all the TVs are on women's sports.

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Speaker 1: I gotta check that place out.

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Speaker 2: I I just want to see if it works, to

508
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Speaker 2: see if there's a crowd there, if.

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Speaker 1: People turn up, or if they cheat and have men's

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Speaker 1: sports on some of the TV.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's just like when when would you put me tonight?

512
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Speaker 2: Like if you go there, what's the women's sport that

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Speaker 2: goes on tonight? Forgive me if there is an obvious one,

514
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Speaker 2: But I don't know.

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Speaker 1: You either are or you aren't, That's what I mean

516
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Speaker 1: what I said, Or you don't. Do you play like repeats?

517
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Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Do you like play replays

518
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Speaker 1: of the women's hockey team thing the like? I think

519
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Speaker 1: it's a real interesting concept that I'm not, you know, criticizing,

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Speaker 1: I just I'm curious. I want to see if it works. Plus,

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Speaker 1: you know what it'd be there, Tom doppel.

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Speaker 2: Bangers, no question, No, that's a guarantee. They probably own

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Speaker 2: the place. I'm a big fan of Doppelbangers.

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Speaker 1: I want to get back to hockey because I am

525
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Speaker 1: talking myself into believing the Penguins could make a playoff run,

526
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Speaker 1: not that it would be likely, but four teams I

527
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Speaker 1: thought would be threats in the playoffs aren't even going

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Speaker 1: to make them in the East, namely Florida, Toronto, the

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Speaker 1: Rangers in New Jersey all very likely out. The only

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Speaker 1: team that's gonna make it that I'm a one hundred

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Speaker 1: percent sure the Penguins can't beat is Tampa. I don't

532
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Speaker 1: think they could be Tampa in the best of seven.

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Speaker 1: The Penguins could beat everybody else. It'd be a series

534
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Speaker 1: you just gotta get tro check. No, they're not gonna

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Speaker 1: do that. Uh but even Carolina. Carolina plays that simple

536
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Speaker 1: man up on defense. Put every Pucket Kin on that

537
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Speaker 1: on offense. And it's easy to draw a beat on

538
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Speaker 1: in a playoff series because Brindamore is a crappy coach.

539
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Speaker 1: Although nobody will say that out loud, so can the Penguins.

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Speaker 1: I was gonna say, can they win at all? But

541
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Speaker 1: could they win more than a series? Like with the

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Speaker 1: Eastern Conference the way it is, it wouldn't shock me

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Speaker 1: if they went out in the first round, because they

544
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Speaker 1: can lose to anybody too. Yes, it wouldn't shock me

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Speaker 1: if they want a couple series, as long as they

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Speaker 1: can avoid Tampa, which as long as they don't get

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Speaker 1: a wild card, they can do.

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Speaker 2: I think if they stay within that two to three

549
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Speaker 2: in the Metro, then they have a really good shot

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Speaker 2: of winning that first series, and then maybe that momentum

551
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Speaker 2: carries into a Carolina series and you beat them and

552
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Speaker 2: get to the Eastern Conference finals. That seems so far

553
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Speaker 2: fetched to even say out loud, But if you had

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Speaker 2: to get Carolina right off the bat in that first round,

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Speaker 2: I'd be a little more weary. And if you had

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Speaker 2: to get Tampa right away, you just be bug on

557
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Speaker 2: the windshield at that point. But I think anybody's gonna

558
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Speaker 2: be bug on the windshield who gets tap.

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Speaker 1: What if somebody beats Tampa before that.

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Speaker 2: Or what if Carolina gets banged up in a series

561
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Speaker 2: before that, When you're in the two three matchup and

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Speaker 2: then you get a weaker Carolina in the second round,

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Speaker 2: it could anything could happen at that point.

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Speaker 1: Here's how far Muses coming. How little I think of

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Speaker 1: Brenda Moore In a series between Pittsburgh and Carolina, Muse

566
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Speaker 1: would play Brendamore like a fiddle. It'd be like fish

567
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Speaker 1: in a barrel. Tons de barrel people are the fish.

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Speaker 1: I got that backwards. No, David Spade got that backwards.

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Speaker 1: I got it correctly. But but yeah, I mean I

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Speaker 1: think Muse is coach of the Year.

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Speaker 2: They only have one less regulation win than the Hurricane.

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Speaker 1: Right now, and there ain't no shootouts exactly for three

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Speaker 1: on three overtime come the postseason. I just saw the

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Speaker 1: side Field episode last night where George converted to Latvian

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Speaker 1: Orthodox that one too because of the girl he was dating.

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Speaker 1: Do you think Archer sh Offs is Latvian Orthodox? Yes?

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Speaker 2: I do think, really I do. Do you think his

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Speaker 2: wife needs to convert? If he has a wife, I'd want.

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Speaker 1: To see the hat. Oh, George said he liked the hat.

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Speaker 2: You know how they give out what do they give

581
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Speaker 2: out this year? They always give out something that they

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Speaker 2: wear for the player of the game, the Shipoffs lat

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Speaker 2: Fine Orthodox hat.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly if he's player of the game. Remember a

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Speaker 1: Kramer got involved with the Latviine Orthodox nun? Yes? What what? What?

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Speaker 1: What did the Latvian priest christ and him? Oh Cavorca, Yes,

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Speaker 1: animal magnetism, Cavorka.

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Speaker 2: I also love when George is about to do his

589
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Speaker 2: final rights and he goes fada, and he's like fada,

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Speaker 2: and he's like sorry, I'm just very nervous, a.

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Speaker 1: Little bucko talk. I've been watching a lot of Connor

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Speaker 1: Griffin interviews and he's very well spoken. I mean he's

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Speaker 1: he's a but with that mustache, doesn't he look like

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Speaker 1: a thirty year old millworker. I like it? He looks

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Speaker 1: far older than nineteen none he partially yes.

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Speaker 2: Paul Skeens came up with a mustache too, if you remember.

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Speaker 2: I wish you would bring it back. Now he has

598
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Speaker 2: that like patchy beard work going on. We should have

599
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Speaker 2: the mustache boys, Skians and Connor Griff.

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Speaker 1: Paul Skeins, who we got a sound bite later, who

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Speaker 1: thinks that playing for the USA Baseball team at the

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Speaker 1: World Baseball Classic is a close second to serving in

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Speaker 1: the military.

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Speaker 2: I love Skeins, but you sound like a huge nerd there,

605
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Speaker 2: I mean big time.

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Speaker 1: Sounds like a dink. Okay, Tom over under O'Neill Cruz

607
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Speaker 1: batting average over or under two twenty under? Letna take

608
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Speaker 1: on there? How far under?

609
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Speaker 2: Probably like two fifteen to ten decent amount. He had

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Speaker 2: two hundred last year.

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Speaker 1: Maybe we could go to bet parks and tease it.

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Speaker 1: The way under. Can you bet way under O'Neill Cruz

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Speaker 1: home runs over or under twenty.

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Speaker 2: Five under like twenty three something like that at twenty

615
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Speaker 2: last year, Yeah, something like that.

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Speaker 1: He'll have more home runs, but his average is gonna suck.

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Speaker 1: Uh O'Neal Cruz over or under one hundred and sixty

618
00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:46,840
Speaker 1: strikeouts over definitely had what one hundred and seventy three

619
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Speaker 1: last year? I don't have over that? Yeah, how about

620
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:51,160
Speaker 1: him and Reynolds were neck and neck and strikeouts one

621
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Speaker 1: head one seventy four, one head one seventy three. I forget,

622
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Speaker 1: but but I would have made the most of that

623
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Speaker 1: race had somebody pointed out that was going on.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we were paying attention last year at that point

625
00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:03,920
Speaker 2: to the pirates. But he'll definitely clear the over in

626
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Speaker 2: strike because you have an over under on stolen bases there,

627
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Speaker 2: because that's the one where I think he'll actually do

628
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:10,120
Speaker 2: a decent amount of Yeah, but who cares.

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Speaker 1: If you're not doing anything else? Not only that, aren't

630
00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:15,640
Speaker 1: aren't stolen bases overrated? I still like to swipe second

631
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Speaker 1: if you can, I do two, but they're certainly not

632
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:20,720
Speaker 1: valued very much in today's base.

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Speaker 2: Probably not people let you get them a lot too,

634
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:23,879
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. People will let you get

635
00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:25,960
Speaker 2: second base more often than not. Catchers won't even throw down.

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Speaker 1: That was That was another another thing about moneyball, where

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Speaker 1: they just you know, just had so much bs there

638
00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:35,879
Speaker 1: to get the concept of moneyball and and the Hadiberg

639
00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:38,360
Speaker 1: and the walks and all that crap over. Like we've

640
00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:41,160
Speaker 1: often said, they didn't even mention the three starting pitchers.

641
00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:45,600
Speaker 1: Who are they, Hudson Zeno and well probably three of

642
00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:48,600
Speaker 1: the best, like six or seven pitchers in baseball. And

643
00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:51,520
Speaker 1: they had Brad Pitt in the club host telling guys

644
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Speaker 1: to not steal. And I think Tahata stole like forty

645
00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:55,360
Speaker 1: five bases that year.

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Speaker 2: That's the only guy they don't ever mentioned at all,

647
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Speaker 2: Taha Shreutch that they'd Jermaine die in right field, like

648
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Speaker 2: those are two big time players in your lineup.

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Speaker 1: To Hown, it went on to be I think it's

650
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:05,880
Speaker 1: not an MVP close to it. You would think they

651
00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:08,360
Speaker 1: they they won the division and had that what was

652
00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:11,160
Speaker 1: a twenty one game winning Yeah, because they signed a

653
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Speaker 1: guy who could walk, and because Art how was a

654
00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:16,760
Speaker 1: schmuck and Art Howe was a great manager, he had

655
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Speaker 1: more to do with their success than I don't want

656
00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:20,520
Speaker 1: to say more than Billy Bean, but I don't know.

657
00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:23,000
Speaker 1: That was just such a flawed movie. And because of it,

658
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:24,760
Speaker 1: a very good movie, a great movie. It's one of

659
00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:26,040
Speaker 1: my favorite sports movies ever.

660
00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:29,320
Speaker 2: But it does it's foolish when you see like brief

661
00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:32,040
Speaker 2: mentions of the rotation. There's like a little like on

662
00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:33,920
Speaker 2: the whiteboard. You see it like mapped out on the

663
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Speaker 2: depth chart. And then in the game where they win

664
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Speaker 2: the twenty first game, mark, do you remember the Royals?

665
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Speaker 2: Like come back when Billy Bean comes back to the

666
00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:42,240
Speaker 2: stadium and he thinks he did truly did happen?

667
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Speaker 1: Hutson? Come back.

668
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Speaker 2: Hudson's on the mound in that game getting rocked, Like

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Speaker 2: you see him go back to the pitchers man. You

670
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:49,040
Speaker 2: see the name Hudson on his back. Well that that

671
00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:51,320
Speaker 2: happened though, I think I know, but it's just did

672
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Speaker 2: hit the home run?

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Speaker 3: Right?

674
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Speaker 2: But that's the reference, Like you see Hudson's, you know,

675
00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:55,880
Speaker 2: as an actor, just the back of him in a

676
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Speaker 2: game where he's getting rocked, getting shelld.

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Speaker 1: I remember, and i I'm I'm a Shaler high school

678
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Speaker 1: graduate like Art Hale, who was a few years behind me,

679
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Speaker 1: did you know Art was playing in a baseball game once.

680
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Speaker 1: This is at the old high school where I went

681
00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:13,520
Speaker 1: on mont Royal Boulevard, and back then the baseball field

682
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Speaker 1: they used was it at in the field for many

683
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Speaker 1: years and now they have Metulivick Field after the great

684
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Speaker 1: Shaler baseball coach Jerry Matulovic, which is at the new

685
00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:25,160
Speaker 1: high school. But even before my time, they played the

686
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:27,040
Speaker 1: games at this field right next to the high school

687
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Speaker 1: in mont Royal. So one time Art was playing for

688
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Speaker 1: Shaler and the game was in a rain delay. There

689
00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:35,240
Speaker 1: was a track meet right next door. On the track

690
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:38,000
Speaker 1: he went over and won the hundred yard dash. That's

691
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Speaker 1: how great an athlete Art Howe was. And I remember,

692
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Speaker 1: we know Art only did two shows to kind of,

693
00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:47,440
Speaker 1: you know, get the story straight about Moneyball, right because

694
00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:49,560
Speaker 1: he was the heel, right right, and somebody got to

695
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:51,920
Speaker 1: be the heel. And Art was actually gracious about that.

696
00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:54,200
Speaker 1: And he did my show on the show in Houston

697
00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:56,200
Speaker 1: where he managed the Astros and I think was part

698
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Speaker 1: of their media team for a long time, their broadcast team.

699
00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:03,200
Speaker 1: And Art come and Art's not the kind of spew

700
00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:06,160
Speaker 1: fire and he comes on the show and he goes Yeah,

701
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:09,240
Speaker 1: we had Holder, Hudson, Moulder and Zeno and they like

702
00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:13,240
Speaker 1: never mentioned him. They never mentioned him once. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: Art's definitely a top guy. Could have worse actors play

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Speaker 1: you in a movie. Too oh to be played. He

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Speaker 1: said that he goes to be played by Philip seymour Hoffen.

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Speaker 1: You know what he said, though he goes. Guy's kind

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Speaker 1: of out of shape. I was never a ship one

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Speaker 1: o five nine The X from the one oh five

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Speaker 3: It's got to be cloudy today with periods of rain,

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Speaker 3: but warmer high of fifty one occasional light rain showers tonight,

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Speaker 3: dropping down at forty four Patchie Fogg to start the

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Speaker 3: day tomorrow than clouds and periods of rain throughout the day,

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Speaker 3: look for high of fifty three. True It's the Mark

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Speaker 3: Man Free Game Show on one oh five nine d X.

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Speaker 1: First hour of the show brought to us by Shnderovia

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Speaker 1: Shandorovitch and Fifish Tom. What do we got for the trifecta?

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Speaker 2: Since depends are in Boston tonight, Mark, I got some

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Speaker 2: wiki good Boston accents from movies number three.

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Speaker 1: I'm good at it, you know, good at the Boston.

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Speaker 2: Number three, I'm gonna go one of the classic Goodwill

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Speaker 2: Hunting Boston movie is gonna go with Ben afflex accent

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Speaker 2: in there.

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00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:18,280
Speaker 1: There's a lot you could choose from. Well, Ben's from Boston,

726
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:19,840
Speaker 1: so it's nice. It's easy for the leaning.

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Speaker 2: So I think, especially with the speech at the end

728
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Speaker 2: when he motivates will to you know, kind of get

729
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Speaker 2: off his ass, kid and get out of this town.

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Speaker 2: That's beautiful. Williams rob winis is a good accent in

731
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Speaker 2: that movie too. It's a subtle one though it's not

732
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Speaker 2: just in your face.

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Speaker 1: Well afflex Boston accent in the town, not not as

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Speaker 1: pronounced as Goodwill Hunting, but still still right there.

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Speaker 2: But number two on this list, the best accent in

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Speaker 2: the town's got to be Renner. Renner absolutely murders the town.

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Speaker 2: He is just so Boston in that movie. One of

738
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Speaker 2: the best parts of that movie is an affleck comes

739
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Speaker 2: up and says, there's some guys we got to beat

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Speaker 2: him up. We gotta do some bad things that you

741
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:55,520
Speaker 2: can't ask anything, and he just goes, who's cow we

742
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Speaker 2: gonna take tremendous.

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Speaker 1: By the way, I'm watching the current season of Mary

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00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:04,720
Speaker 1: Kingston Renner's great, that he's fantastic, that that's a kind

745
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:07,120
Speaker 1: of a cliched so and that every cop is crooked

746
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Speaker 1: and everybody's involved in organized crime and rival gangs and whatnot.

747
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Speaker 1: But Renners so good.

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Speaker 2: He's fool proof, and he's fantastic in the town. But

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Speaker 2: number one. In the movie That Departed, everybody's got a

750
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Speaker 2: Boston accent. They're all great at it. But for some reason,

751
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:22,840
Speaker 2: Alec Baldwin's just hits me. I don't know why, but

752
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:26,360
Speaker 2: his is just so dam It means Botender's so good. See,

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Speaker 2: I think Nicholson's was better. Nicholson's good.

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Speaker 1: Nicholson's was great because it's Nicholson.

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Speaker 2: Sheen's is really good too. Are you a cop? Are

756
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Speaker 2: you pretending to be a cop? Just they's so damn

757
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Speaker 2: many in that movie. You can make a trifecta about

758
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Speaker 2: just ranking those accents in that movie.

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Speaker 1: The trifecta. Brothers by Danny's Patriot Hogies, a family owned

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Speaker 1: and operated since nineteen sixty that's on Route eighty eight

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Speaker 1: and Bethel Park. Tom real quick, the Bengals are not

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Speaker 1: gonna franchise tag Trey Hendrickson, which means he's a free agent.

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Speaker 1: Do you think he'll get huge money? Will he be

764
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Speaker 1: in big, big demand. I kind of feel like the

765
00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:03,240
Speaker 1: air of big money pass Rusher has come and gone

766
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Speaker 1: at least for huge, huge money. And I think TJ

767
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Speaker 1: watch one of the guys who fed it up because

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Speaker 1: he got it and didn't deliver.

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Speaker 2: Probably, But I do think Hendrickson's gonna be pretty coveted.

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Speaker 2: I think a team, you know, like an the Lions

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00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:16,839
Speaker 2: or somebody like that. No, I don't think he'll get that,

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Speaker 2: especially on the open mark. I don't think anybody will

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Speaker 2: make him like their franchise staple. He's pretty older, he's

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Speaker 2: getting up there in age too.

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Speaker 1: But the Bengals will be just fine without him. I mean,

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Speaker 1: as long as they have Burrow and the receivers, that's

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Speaker 1: their bread and butter. They don't really you know what

778
00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:32,960
Speaker 1: they're gonna win or not based on Burrow and scoring

779
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:35,560
Speaker 1: a lot of points. Trey Henderson, as good as he is,

780
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Speaker 1: doesn't figure that much into it for me.

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Speaker 2: With them, they just have nothing on that defensive side

782
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:42,480
Speaker 2: of the ball though. But you're right, they clearly have

783
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Speaker 2: a path that they're trying to go forward with, and

784
00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:46,319
Speaker 2: it's all offense. It's score more than the other team.

785
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:49,200
Speaker 2: Is the strategy here. You got to sack the quarterback though,

786
00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:53,960
Speaker 2: especially if you're on that team creates some turnovers. It's

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Speaker 2: an interesting move from Cincinnati to just completely say forget defense.

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Speaker 1: The usual suspects are talking about the Penguins tra a

789
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Speaker 1: first and second round pick in McGroarty and something else

790
00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:06,640
Speaker 1: to the Rangers for tro Check. Well, they made that up.

791
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Speaker 1: Whoever came up with that made it up. That the

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Speaker 1: Penguins would not even remotely consider that for thirty two

793
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Speaker 1: year old guy. They are not at that point in

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Speaker 1: the team's development to being a contender. No, they're not.

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Speaker 2: If this was like a year ahead of time or

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Speaker 2: two years ahead of time, then maybe you would consider

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Speaker 2: something like that.

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Speaker 1: But I'm not right.

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Speaker 2: I'm not saying that you keep McGroarty, no doubt through

800
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Speaker 2: this deadline. If there is an offer that comes across

801
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:29,640
Speaker 2: and he has to be a part of it and

802
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:31,359
Speaker 2: you think it makes a team better now in future, No,

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Speaker 2: I'm not worried about trading McGroarty.

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Speaker 1: I would do that in the right deal. I'm to

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Speaker 1: trade a first and second round pick and McGroarty.

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00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 2: And something else that's too much and I'm just not

807
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:41,239
Speaker 2: ready to pull the plug on him either. I still

808
00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:43,520
Speaker 2: got optimism for Rocker. I'll think he can be somebody.

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Speaker 1: We'll take a first and second round pick and a

810
00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:49,719
Speaker 1: prospect like McGroarty to get tro Check, maybe even a

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Speaker 1: bit more than that. And that's what Minnesota is rumored

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Speaker 1: to be offering. You know what, the to be fair, Tom,

813
00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:57,920
Speaker 1: there's a great deal to be gained in media by

814
00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:02,440
Speaker 1: now by just talking out yours and fabricating stuff. So

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Speaker 1: whoever made that up from the Pittsburgh standpoint took the

816
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:08,960
Speaker 1: Minnesota rumor and just plugged in one of the Penguins

817
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Speaker 1: prospects instead of one of the Wild's prospects. But no,

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Speaker 1: they they would not even consider making that deal, and

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Speaker 1: they are right to not.

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Speaker 2: So much of what you've said to Mark nowadays, when

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Speaker 2: it comes to this stuff is just what people think

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Speaker 2: sounds good.

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Speaker 1: What they think sounds good, they put out there as

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Speaker 1: a possibility this is happening.

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Speaker 2: There's there's there's rumors that there's traction here just because

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Speaker 2: I think this would be a good trade when.

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Speaker 1: It comes to Penguins. If I say no way, no way,

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Speaker 1: five ninety X, listen to the