1 00:00:28,160 --> 00:00:31,600 Speaker 1: Well, the weekend's here, thank goodness. Huh, and that's always 2 00:00:31,680 --> 00:00:33,720 Speaker 1: chores that we have to do, and Aaron's we have 3 00:00:33,840 --> 00:00:36,920 Speaker 1: to run. Glad you're joining me. As we're chatting a 4 00:00:36,960 --> 00:00:39,839 Speaker 1: little bit about the biggest investment in our life, our 5 00:00:39,880 --> 00:00:42,960 Speaker 1: home and taking care of that, I get asked a 6 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:48,279 Speaker 1: lot of questions about driving down energy costs. My goodness. 7 00:00:48,320 --> 00:00:53,479 Speaker 1: I've been reading and on social media too, about some 8 00:00:53,600 --> 00:00:57,720 Speaker 1: of the bills folks are receiving and talking to an 9 00:00:57,840 --> 00:01:02,520 Speaker 1: energy management company yesterday at the Home and Garden show, 10 00:01:02,680 --> 00:01:06,440 Speaker 1: and you know, talking about a you know, fifty sixty 11 00:01:06,520 --> 00:01:11,160 Speaker 1: year old house that you know, two thousand square feet 12 00:01:11,280 --> 00:01:16,679 Speaker 1: and bills seven eight hundred dollars during the winter. We 13 00:01:16,880 --> 00:01:20,039 Speaker 1: need to and I know it's I know, it's just 14 00:01:20,120 --> 00:01:22,000 Speaker 1: something you don't want to spend the money on. But 15 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:23,600 Speaker 1: if you're going to be in that house for a while, 16 00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:27,319 Speaker 1: just think about think about the return on investment, not 17 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:29,880 Speaker 1: so much when you sell it, but just live ability 18 00:01:29,920 --> 00:01:36,000 Speaker 1: in it. A lot of these folks have low interest 19 00:01:36,120 --> 00:01:41,880 Speaker 1: or no interest financing. Uh. The ROI is usually five years. 20 00:01:43,120 --> 00:01:48,200 Speaker 1: In a way, you're already paying that money, paying it 21 00:01:48,200 --> 00:01:51,640 Speaker 1: to the wrong people, though paying it to the energy provider. 22 00:01:51,880 --> 00:01:55,240 Speaker 1: That's not going to go away the volume until you 23 00:01:55,280 --> 00:01:59,880 Speaker 1: pay the insallation guy. So you know that might be 24 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:03,480 Speaker 1: something just to check out and lay that out and 25 00:02:03,800 --> 00:02:10,280 Speaker 1: uh comfort for sure, the same amount of money probably 26 00:02:10,400 --> 00:02:15,320 Speaker 1: for five years then the savings kick in. Going to 27 00:02:15,360 --> 00:02:17,440 Speaker 1: be there for a year. Maybe it helps with the resale. 28 00:02:17,440 --> 00:02:20,880 Speaker 1: I don't know, don't have that data. Certainly can't hurt 29 00:02:21,320 --> 00:02:23,639 Speaker 1: all right. Our phone numbers eight hundred eight two three 30 00:02:23,800 --> 00:02:26,040 Speaker 1: eight two five five Rich Welcome. 31 00:02:27,320 --> 00:02:29,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, Hi Gary, thank you taking my call. 32 00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:30,360 Speaker 1: You're quite welcome. 33 00:02:31,200 --> 00:02:32,959 Speaker 2: Ye, Hi Gary, thanks for taking my call. 34 00:02:33,200 --> 00:02:35,600 Speaker 1: Yes, sir, I have a question. 35 00:02:35,720 --> 00:02:38,600 Speaker 2: I'm looking at restaining my deck. It's been about six 36 00:02:38,680 --> 00:02:41,520 Speaker 2: years and I've used one Time Would previously and I 37 00:02:41,560 --> 00:02:45,880 Speaker 2: can't find it anymore. So the question is is it 38 00:02:45,919 --> 00:02:47,280 Speaker 2: is it available. 39 00:02:46,960 --> 00:02:48,200 Speaker 1: Or well, that's a good question. 40 00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:52,480 Speaker 2: I have to use another stain. What would be a 41 00:02:52,480 --> 00:02:55,640 Speaker 2: good stain that's comparative. I've gone between six and seven 42 00:02:55,720 --> 00:02:57,440 Speaker 2: years when I've been using one Time Would. 43 00:02:57,440 --> 00:03:01,720 Speaker 1: And you know that's one of the reasons why I 44 00:03:01,840 --> 00:03:04,639 Speaker 1: talked about it is it was and is, as far 45 00:03:04,680 --> 00:03:08,120 Speaker 1: as I know, the only stain that would give you 46 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:14,600 Speaker 1: that type of protection as of a year or so ago. 47 00:03:14,720 --> 00:03:17,240 Speaker 1: I know it is still available. They were based out 48 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:21,399 Speaker 1: of Cleveland, Ohio. I do not know if they're still 49 00:03:21,480 --> 00:03:25,239 Speaker 1: available or not. It was a small company. It was 50 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:28,799 Speaker 1: a great product. One of the reasons I had quit 51 00:03:28,919 --> 00:03:32,720 Speaker 1: really talking about it was people didn't read the directions 52 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:39,040 Speaker 1: and the directions where you couldn't use it in an 53 00:03:39,120 --> 00:03:43,520 Speaker 1: enclosed area. So people sometimes used it in a covered 54 00:03:43,520 --> 00:03:46,240 Speaker 1: screen porch or where there was all shade and no 55 00:03:46,440 --> 00:03:50,120 Speaker 1: sun because it didn't dry. It cured, and it cured 56 00:03:50,160 --> 00:03:55,040 Speaker 1: by the UV rays of the sun. So I don't 57 00:03:55,040 --> 00:03:58,000 Speaker 1: know if it's available anymore. There is some new products 58 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:02,760 Speaker 1: and new types of products, you know, I'm I'm finding 59 00:04:02,800 --> 00:04:10,560 Speaker 1: it online. Uh the one time Would Okay you know. 60 00:04:10,640 --> 00:04:14,160 Speaker 2: Clean and this is I'm calling from Cleveland too. I 61 00:04:14,240 --> 00:04:16,400 Speaker 2: used to get it at ACE Hardwares, but they told 62 00:04:16,440 --> 00:04:16,960 Speaker 2: me they're. 63 00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:19,400 Speaker 1: Not carrying I think they took it out of the warehouse. 64 00:04:19,480 --> 00:04:22,600 Speaker 1: So that doesn't you know, that doesn't mean one Time 65 00:04:22,640 --> 00:04:26,200 Speaker 1: Would's not available, It's just that Ace isn't carrying it. 66 00:04:26,240 --> 00:04:28,120 Speaker 1: What did you say, Danny? You looked it up. Also, 67 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:30,920 Speaker 1: it looks like primarily on their website it's for sale 68 00:04:31,200 --> 00:04:36,839 Speaker 1: okay dot com. Yeah, it's also good also available on 69 00:04:36,839 --> 00:04:40,280 Speaker 1: a website called you Know Clean U N O C 70 00:04:40,560 --> 00:04:45,440 Speaker 1: L E A N dot com. Okay, and I'm glad 71 00:04:45,480 --> 00:04:50,640 Speaker 1: it's still available. And here's why that one time wood 72 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:59,560 Speaker 1: is so good. It penetrates and continues to penetrate. And 73 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:04,360 Speaker 1: one of the things it's difficult with some of your 74 00:05:04,480 --> 00:05:09,120 Speaker 1: newer acrylic text stains to penetrate the wood because the 75 00:05:09,200 --> 00:05:12,800 Speaker 1: wood time one time wood is sealed. It's no longer 76 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:15,479 Speaker 1: on the surface after about seven or eight years, but 77 00:05:15,560 --> 00:05:19,640 Speaker 1: it's into the it migrates through the fibers of the wood. 78 00:05:22,360 --> 00:05:25,240 Speaker 1: So a lot of times a semi transparent stain has 79 00:05:25,240 --> 00:05:31,400 Speaker 1: a difficult time penetrating. So staying with that product is 80 00:05:31,440 --> 00:05:33,680 Speaker 1: a real good idea, Okay. 81 00:05:33,800 --> 00:05:36,760 Speaker 2: And if to restain it in that it's been like 82 00:05:36,760 --> 00:05:39,400 Speaker 2: a seven years, two, do you gently clean? 83 00:05:40,200 --> 00:05:46,679 Speaker 1: Sure? So cleaning is the same again, an oxygenated bleach cleaner, 84 00:05:47,640 --> 00:05:51,640 Speaker 1: powder water on the deck. Let's sit ten minutes, reapply 85 00:05:51,880 --> 00:05:57,960 Speaker 1: scrub because if the one time would I know exactly 86 00:05:58,040 --> 00:06:00,720 Speaker 1: what it looks like. After about eight nine years, it 87 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:04,000 Speaker 1: looks like almost nothing's in there, but be assured that 88 00:06:04,520 --> 00:06:08,440 Speaker 1: it's it's deeper into that wood than the original pressure 89 00:06:08,520 --> 00:06:12,840 Speaker 1: treating of that wood is in that wood. It's down 90 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:16,839 Speaker 1: below the surface. The problem is is the sun starts 91 00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:21,880 Speaker 1: damaging after seven years on the surface because it's the 92 00:06:21,960 --> 00:06:26,400 Speaker 1: protection is migrated down further into the wood. So if 93 00:06:26,440 --> 00:06:30,560 Speaker 1: we clean the surface, it allows the one time wood 94 00:06:30,600 --> 00:06:35,560 Speaker 1: to penetrate down to the point where it's sealed. That 95 00:06:35,600 --> 00:06:39,400 Speaker 1: makes sense the best way. Oh yeah, yeah. 96 00:06:39,440 --> 00:06:42,200 Speaker 2: So if for some reason I couldn't get a hold 97 00:06:42,240 --> 00:06:44,919 Speaker 2: of it, saying that, do you have to strip or 98 00:06:44,960 --> 00:06:47,440 Speaker 2: do something with it to apply to another company's stain. 99 00:06:48,640 --> 00:06:50,880 Speaker 1: Probably depends on how old it is. I think you 100 00:06:50,920 --> 00:06:54,320 Speaker 1: could probably check by how deep of water penetration you 101 00:06:54,400 --> 00:06:58,080 Speaker 1: get in and I would probably use a solvent based 102 00:06:58,080 --> 00:07:02,359 Speaker 1: see because remember the one time would never really dries, 103 00:07:02,400 --> 00:07:06,800 Speaker 1: it cures. There's a difference, so when you when something dries, 104 00:07:06,960 --> 00:07:10,800 Speaker 1: there's an evaporation. I remember when I was meeting with him, 105 00:07:11,160 --> 00:07:15,520 Speaker 1: I had a hard time absorbing when they would say 106 00:07:15,600 --> 00:07:19,200 Speaker 1: it's one hundred percent solids, but it was a liquid, 107 00:07:20,520 --> 00:07:24,320 Speaker 1: you know. So the answer your question is, you may 108 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:28,760 Speaker 1: have to if you, uh, if you have an option 109 00:07:28,840 --> 00:07:31,160 Speaker 1: to stay with the one time would I'd definitely stay 110 00:07:31,200 --> 00:07:34,040 Speaker 1: with it, Okay, because you don't want you don't want 111 00:07:34,040 --> 00:07:38,000 Speaker 1: to get into stripping that No, no, I don't. Okay 112 00:07:38,400 --> 00:07:41,240 Speaker 1: you all right, hope that helps, Thanks Rich, take care, 113 00:07:41,720 --> 00:07:45,080 Speaker 1: bye bye, all right again. It's eight hundred eighty two 114 00:07:45,160 --> 00:07:48,280 Speaker 1: three eight two five five. A fella called a couple 115 00:07:48,280 --> 00:07:53,400 Speaker 1: of weeks ago asked me if I looked into nano 116 00:07:53,600 --> 00:08:00,360 Speaker 1: particles or nano sealers, and I have looked into nanoclers. 117 00:08:01,920 --> 00:08:04,320 Speaker 1: I told him when he called it, it might have 118 00:08:04,320 --> 00:08:06,520 Speaker 1: been a week ago. I said, no, I haven't had chance. 119 00:08:07,040 --> 00:08:10,560 Speaker 1: I was traveling and we're not traveling now, so I've 120 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:13,680 Speaker 1: had I've had a little more time to do my homework. 121 00:08:14,800 --> 00:08:18,160 Speaker 1: And the nano sealers. I don't know if one time 122 00:08:18,200 --> 00:08:23,280 Speaker 1: would it be classified as a nano sealer, But when 123 00:08:23,320 --> 00:08:28,960 Speaker 1: I was reading this, it's exactly what it sounded like. 124 00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:36,160 Speaker 1: It fell in that category where it could penetrate into concrete, 125 00:08:36,480 --> 00:08:40,959 Speaker 1: it would penetrate into roofing. It wasn't a soybean oil. 126 00:08:41,800 --> 00:08:45,800 Speaker 1: Forget what kind of carrier it was, but it was 127 00:08:45,880 --> 00:08:50,640 Speaker 1: the The whole premise was it was a deep, deeper 128 00:08:51,240 --> 00:08:58,960 Speaker 1: penetrating seiler that could be used on multiple disan different substrates. 129 00:08:59,120 --> 00:09:02,920 Speaker 1: I've not used it I haven't really talked to the company. 130 00:09:02,920 --> 00:09:08,800 Speaker 1: I plan to because that you know, certainly the uh, 131 00:09:09,320 --> 00:09:14,320 Speaker 1: the price was definitely more than your typical seilers. I 132 00:09:14,320 --> 00:09:19,600 Speaker 1: mean it was in the higher end. So and again 133 00:09:19,679 --> 00:09:23,520 Speaker 1: in a comparison that one time would back in the 134 00:09:23,600 --> 00:09:26,280 Speaker 1: day when I know I used to talk about it, 135 00:09:26,280 --> 00:09:29,880 Speaker 1: it was like seventy five bucks a gallon, and now 136 00:09:29,880 --> 00:09:33,000 Speaker 1: it's like ninety five bucks a gallon. So it's a 137 00:09:33,520 --> 00:09:38,240 Speaker 1: it's a it's not cheap. But one of the things 138 00:09:38,720 --> 00:09:44,320 Speaker 1: the one time was the seven year warranty. And you know, 139 00:09:44,320 --> 00:09:47,560 Speaker 1: if you're really honest, how long a deck stain last. 140 00:09:47,720 --> 00:09:51,080 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know if anybody really stains their 141 00:09:51,160 --> 00:09:56,760 Speaker 1: deck enough, because it's a lot of work you got 142 00:09:56,760 --> 00:10:01,479 Speaker 1: to clean it. I would certainly use a deck brightener 143 00:10:01,559 --> 00:10:03,840 Speaker 1: on it, especially if you're gonna use a water base 144 00:10:04,760 --> 00:10:08,439 Speaker 1: or even a modified deck sealer or an acrylic oil, 145 00:10:10,080 --> 00:10:13,800 Speaker 1: and that opens up those fibers to absorb the deck 146 00:10:13,920 --> 00:10:17,200 Speaker 1: sealer down. The deeper you can get the deck sealer down, 147 00:10:17,240 --> 00:10:20,800 Speaker 1: the more it can hold up to the UV rays 148 00:10:20,800 --> 00:10:28,160 Speaker 1: of the sun. Okay, so if you're in a sunny location, 149 00:10:30,120 --> 00:10:36,560 Speaker 1: pressure treated wood, no shade, you use a golden oak 150 00:10:37,520 --> 00:10:45,240 Speaker 1: deck sealer two years three if you're using you know, 151 00:10:45,280 --> 00:10:50,000 Speaker 1: the fifty dollars a gallon stuff, maybe if you're using 152 00:10:50,080 --> 00:10:57,360 Speaker 1: clear one year. Using the really good stuff fifty nine dollars, 153 00:10:57,400 --> 00:11:02,720 Speaker 1: maybe two years. If you using a dark brown, direct 154 00:11:02,800 --> 00:11:10,840 Speaker 1: sun no shade, probably three years. If you got that 155 00:11:11,120 --> 00:11:16,240 Speaker 1: same deck with a lot of trees around it it shaded, 156 00:11:17,040 --> 00:11:19,680 Speaker 1: you might get five or six years out of it. 157 00:11:19,679 --> 00:11:23,800 Speaker 1: It's the sun that really breaks down your deck sealers 158 00:11:24,160 --> 00:11:28,520 Speaker 1: and the color. And one of the things we've talked 159 00:11:28,520 --> 00:11:31,000 Speaker 1: about started talking a little bit more about last year 160 00:11:31,040 --> 00:11:35,360 Speaker 1: was solid color stains, and we'll talk a little bit 161 00:11:35,360 --> 00:11:39,040 Speaker 1: about that this year too. And some people go, no, no, 162 00:11:39,240 --> 00:11:41,680 Speaker 1: I'm not using a solid color stain looks like a 163 00:11:41,720 --> 00:11:47,880 Speaker 1: painted deck. Yes, it does double the lifespan of a 164 00:11:47,920 --> 00:11:53,840 Speaker 1: semi transparent. Now they've got semi solids. So you see 165 00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:57,200 Speaker 1: what the trend is in composite woods. We want to 166 00:11:57,720 --> 00:12:00,080 Speaker 1: have more fun on the deck than we want to 167 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:04,400 Speaker 1: work on the deck. Who doesn't. We'll continue with your 168 00:12:04,440 --> 00:12:07,400 Speaker 1: calls eight hundred eighty two three eight two five five 169 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:09,600 Speaker 1: at home with Gary Sullivan. 170 00:12:09,760 --> 00:12:12,560 Speaker 3: Time to get your hands dirty with Gary Sullivan. 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You can check those out. 213 00:15:26,360 --> 00:15:29,560 Speaker 1: Danny's got them up there dated and you can take 214 00:15:29,880 --> 00:15:32,720 Speaker 1: take a listen all right, if you'd like to join us, 215 00:15:32,760 --> 00:15:36,360 Speaker 1: it's eight hundred eighty two three eight two five five Blake. 216 00:15:36,120 --> 00:15:39,760 Speaker 4: Welcome, Yes sir, How you doing? 217 00:15:39,800 --> 00:15:41,280 Speaker 1: Gary doing fine? Thank you? 218 00:15:43,040 --> 00:15:46,280 Speaker 4: Yes, sir. I had a couple concerns with replacing the 219 00:15:46,320 --> 00:15:50,080 Speaker 4: deck boards on my front porch. Half of it's covered, 220 00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:53,800 Speaker 4: the other half is uncovered, and it's time. It's definitely 221 00:15:53,840 --> 00:15:57,640 Speaker 4: time for replacements. So when I go to Low's and 222 00:15:57,880 --> 00:16:01,360 Speaker 4: purchase the new deck boards, you know from Lows those 223 00:16:01,400 --> 00:16:07,080 Speaker 4: boards come really green, really wet. One of my concerns is, 224 00:16:07,520 --> 00:16:10,160 Speaker 4: you know, I definitely want all my cut edges to 225 00:16:10,320 --> 00:16:15,320 Speaker 4: have the pressure treated chemical applied. But a couple of 226 00:16:15,400 --> 00:16:20,200 Speaker 4: concerns I have is flows does not carry that chemical. 227 00:16:20,800 --> 00:16:23,200 Speaker 4: I've looked before, I've tried finding it before, and they 228 00:16:23,200 --> 00:16:26,440 Speaker 4: don't carry it. So one is where do I get it? 229 00:16:26,520 --> 00:16:30,960 Speaker 4: And the other is shouldn't I allow that wood to 230 00:16:31,160 --> 00:16:35,160 Speaker 4: dry for a while before I hit those edges? Because 231 00:16:35,760 --> 00:16:38,800 Speaker 4: if it's if it's wet, well that kind of hinder 232 00:16:39,520 --> 00:16:42,840 Speaker 4: it's soaking in really good? Or is that not that important? 233 00:16:42,840 --> 00:16:44,760 Speaker 4: Can I go ahead and hit them while they're wet? 234 00:16:45,160 --> 00:16:48,240 Speaker 1: What do you think you gotta wait for that pressure 235 00:16:48,280 --> 00:16:52,760 Speaker 1: treated wood to dry out? It's kind of a there's 236 00:16:52,800 --> 00:16:59,320 Speaker 1: there's no good barometer of when I've been doing. I've 237 00:16:59,360 --> 00:17:01,960 Speaker 1: been talking about pressure tree woods since it was invented 238 00:17:02,920 --> 00:17:05,160 Speaker 1: in my background in the hardware stores. When it first 239 00:17:05,160 --> 00:17:07,440 Speaker 1: came out, like, man, we don't have to do anything 240 00:17:07,480 --> 00:17:10,919 Speaker 1: about this, you know, just you know, just let it be. Well, 241 00:17:11,480 --> 00:17:15,080 Speaker 1: change the tune after about five years, and then it 242 00:17:15,200 --> 00:17:18,360 Speaker 1: was let it let don't put anything on for a year, 243 00:17:19,520 --> 00:17:21,960 Speaker 1: and it was every two weeks if you're going to 244 00:17:22,080 --> 00:17:25,639 Speaker 1: use a semi transparent. And I was just reading stuff 245 00:17:25,680 --> 00:17:30,919 Speaker 1: in the last week from coding institutes and paint manufacturers, 246 00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:34,119 Speaker 1: and they're back to the two to three months because 247 00:17:34,440 --> 00:17:38,200 Speaker 1: we don't know when that was pressure treated. We don't 248 00:17:38,359 --> 00:17:41,560 Speaker 1: know when that came to Low's, We don't know how 249 00:17:41,600 --> 00:17:47,480 Speaker 1: long that's sat around, so you don't know, and you 250 00:17:47,520 --> 00:17:49,600 Speaker 1: know I've seen. The latest i've seen is two to 251 00:17:49,640 --> 00:17:55,080 Speaker 1: three months pressure tree wood, semi transparent ground contact. Definitely 252 00:17:55,160 --> 00:17:59,159 Speaker 1: get the ground contact and I do the old Go 253 00:17:59,280 --> 00:18:01,400 Speaker 1: back to the doll up of water. Take a tea 254 00:18:01,400 --> 00:18:04,960 Speaker 1: spoon of water, put it on there, give it forty 255 00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:07,280 Speaker 1: five seconds to omit it to soak in. If it 256 00:18:07,320 --> 00:18:12,080 Speaker 1: doesn't soak in, don't stain it, don't do the edges, 257 00:18:12,440 --> 00:18:16,760 Speaker 1: don't do anything because it has it has to penetrate in. 258 00:18:17,200 --> 00:18:21,040 Speaker 1: Now here's another thing. After you wait and that that 259 00:18:21,080 --> 00:18:26,520 Speaker 1: water soaks into that to that wood, get what they 260 00:18:26,600 --> 00:18:32,920 Speaker 1: call a deck braightener, and that's a solic acid. It's 261 00:18:32,960 --> 00:18:37,040 Speaker 1: wood bleach, and it opens up the fiber's blake and 262 00:18:37,119 --> 00:18:42,000 Speaker 1: it allows that wood to grab that stain and pull 263 00:18:42,040 --> 00:18:46,720 Speaker 1: it down into the fibers of the wood. It'll help 264 00:18:46,760 --> 00:18:52,320 Speaker 1: with the penetration. As for the side, Yeah, as for 265 00:18:52,400 --> 00:18:55,880 Speaker 1: the sides, those fibers are already they're not finished, they're 266 00:18:55,880 --> 00:18:59,879 Speaker 1: not smooth, they're they're still coarse. And that in that 267 00:19:01,640 --> 00:19:04,359 Speaker 1: pressure treatments probably only down about an eighth of an inch. 268 00:19:06,600 --> 00:19:08,920 Speaker 1: Now it's not going to be exposed to the moisture 269 00:19:09,040 --> 00:19:12,440 Speaker 1: like the top of that deck. But there's all kinds 270 00:19:12,480 --> 00:19:15,800 Speaker 1: of things you can put on there. You could put 271 00:19:16,480 --> 00:19:21,520 Speaker 1: regular linseed oil or tongue will on there. You could 272 00:19:21,560 --> 00:19:27,399 Speaker 1: put some Jelco sealant on there, but make sure it's 273 00:19:27,480 --> 00:19:30,520 Speaker 1: dry before you stain it. Let me put you on 274 00:19:30,600 --> 00:19:32,480 Speaker 1: hold if you have a follow up question. I want 275 00:19:32,520 --> 00:19:34,680 Speaker 1: to talk to you about that. I hate to see 276 00:19:34,720 --> 00:19:38,000 Speaker 1: a mistake made on that board. 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You know, when you were talking about the 322 00:22:43,119 --> 00:22:46,159 Speaker 1: end cuts. I just gave you some quick oils to 323 00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:53,160 Speaker 1: protect that. But you said you had asked about probably 324 00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:58,440 Speaker 1: at a store, about a coating like the UH pressure treatment. 325 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:03,280 Speaker 1: There's a couple like that. Yeah, there's a couple like 326 00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:06,600 Speaker 1: that out on the market. There's an old brand name 327 00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:12,000 Speaker 1: called wood Life. They make one called copper Coat. You 328 00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:15,800 Speaker 1: can use that. There's also you know, when I was 329 00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:21,320 Speaker 1: talking about clear deck stains, how they don't last long, 330 00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:24,800 Speaker 1: but they'll work fine on an end coat. So if 331 00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:29,119 Speaker 1: you took like a semi transparent cabot stain and just 332 00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:34,240 Speaker 1: brush the end coats on that, definitely do it before 333 00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:40,280 Speaker 1: you install it, obviously, and it's not gonna have to wait. 334 00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:43,000 Speaker 1: Like I'm talking about the top boards, because it's a 335 00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:47,280 Speaker 1: rough you know, raw cut. It's gonna absorb that because 336 00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:53,199 Speaker 1: again that that that pressure treatments only down maybe a 337 00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:56,639 Speaker 1: quarter of an inch. So the center that board, you know, 338 00:23:56,720 --> 00:23:59,720 Speaker 1: you put that copper coat on, put the cab it 339 00:23:59,840 --> 00:24:03,240 Speaker 1: on on, and I'm sure there's a couple other brands 340 00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:05,800 Speaker 1: you could put on there well, at the very least, 341 00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:09,480 Speaker 1: you know, I mentioned, uh, tongue oil or something like 342 00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:11,560 Speaker 1: that which you can wick in there that'll give you 343 00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:16,080 Speaker 1: some protection also, all right. 344 00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:18,840 Speaker 4: Awesome, thanks uh. And that kind of brings me to 345 00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:22,720 Speaker 4: my second question, which was you know I'm gonna I'm 346 00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:26,080 Speaker 4: gonna stain the board to stain the boards obviously, but 347 00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:30,479 Speaker 4: I know that some stains over time flake off and 348 00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:34,800 Speaker 4: then to reapply you have the sand and that doesn't 349 00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:38,000 Speaker 4: sound too fun. So is it water based or is 350 00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:41,400 Speaker 4: it oil base? That uh and and by the way, 351 00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:44,360 Speaker 4: I am going with a solid I know a solid 352 00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:48,159 Speaker 4: pigment's gonna give longer protection, so I'm going with that 353 00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:51,240 Speaker 4: for sure. But is it oil or is it water 354 00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:54,120 Speaker 4: that's gonna allow me in several years to be able 355 00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:57,159 Speaker 4: just to reapply instead of have the sand. 356 00:24:57,440 --> 00:25:01,600 Speaker 1: So let me give you a little little die tribe 357 00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:06,600 Speaker 1: on solid color stains. Solid color stains will definitely last 358 00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:09,840 Speaker 1: you longer than a semi transparent, so you're on the 359 00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:15,800 Speaker 1: right track there. Adhesion is really really key. Now I 360 00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:19,199 Speaker 1: was talking two or three months before, and that's for 361 00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:23,600 Speaker 1: semi transparents. If you're going with a solid color stain, 362 00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:28,560 Speaker 1: and read the labels. But I'm ninety percent sure, maybe 363 00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:31,959 Speaker 1: even one hundred percent sure that they're all going to 364 00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:35,359 Speaker 1: tell you to wait one year before applying a solid 365 00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:39,720 Speaker 1: color stain and you'll be okay. You'll be okay, I 366 00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:42,239 Speaker 1: mean it's a poet or I think you said some 367 00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:46,160 Speaker 1: of it shaded, You'll be all right, Yeah, just wait 368 00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:51,080 Speaker 1: a year and it'll be really good and dry. And 369 00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:56,520 Speaker 1: that is critically important with a solid color stain. Now 370 00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:03,520 Speaker 1: Here comes here comes the the tricky part. Whether you 371 00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:09,240 Speaker 1: use and acrylics or water, bases. They have a more 372 00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:15,240 Speaker 1: difficult time gripping onto wood, okay, and that's a negative, 373 00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:23,480 Speaker 1: but they have a much better resistance to fading and breathing, 374 00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:28,919 Speaker 1: so allowing water vapor to pass through it, oil base 375 00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:35,600 Speaker 1: fades faster than acrylics. It doesn't pass the water vapor 376 00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:41,840 Speaker 1: through the oil solid color stain, and it penetrates the 377 00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:46,600 Speaker 1: wood better. So here's what I would do. And you 378 00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:49,960 Speaker 1: know that you're going to find both of those products, 379 00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:55,600 Speaker 1: probably with every brand name you could think of. And 380 00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:58,560 Speaker 1: then I want to add something else to so we 381 00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:00,720 Speaker 1: want to use. We want to make sure after a year, 382 00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:03,080 Speaker 1: we want to make sure we clean it okay, because 383 00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:04,760 Speaker 1: there's gonna be dirt on there. You're gonna get it 384 00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:08,880 Speaker 1: really clean. Don't sand it sand It actually burnishes the 385 00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:12,720 Speaker 1: surface of the wood, which makes it even more difficult 386 00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:17,040 Speaker 1: for to stick to. So we want to clean it 387 00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:21,240 Speaker 1: with an oxygenated bleach. Everybody will have that. It's a powder. 388 00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:24,200 Speaker 1: Mix it with water, put it on, let it sit 389 00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:31,920 Speaker 1: ten to fifteen minutes, reapply scrub rents. Done okay, And 390 00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:35,160 Speaker 1: if you're using a water base, you can probably stain 391 00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:37,680 Speaker 1: that in a couple hours. Using a solvent base, you're 392 00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:40,919 Speaker 1: gonna have to wait two days. All that information's on 393 00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:44,400 Speaker 1: the label, and then after you clean it. I had 394 00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:50,600 Speaker 1: mentioned a deck brightener critical critical if you're using a 395 00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:57,240 Speaker 1: solid color water base. Critical because again the negative on 396 00:27:57,359 --> 00:28:02,119 Speaker 1: the acrylic is it has more of a challenge to 397 00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:08,199 Speaker 1: bite onto the wood. So deck brightener a wood bleach 398 00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:12,520 Speaker 1: opens up those pores and allows some penetration and it 399 00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:20,240 Speaker 1: offers better gripping power. Now, one thing I wanted to 400 00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:25,480 Speaker 1: add before I forget. They make a modified acrylic ALCID 401 00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:29,760 Speaker 1: Sherman Williams does. I'm sure other people do too. What 402 00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:32,280 Speaker 1: they've done with that is and you know, you're never 403 00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:35,160 Speaker 1: supposed to mix, you know, oil and water, but they 404 00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:38,160 Speaker 1: have and it kind of gives you the best of 405 00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:44,360 Speaker 1: both worlds. Okay, so it is breathable, and you know, 406 00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:47,479 Speaker 1: I take a look at that. They make a really 407 00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:52,960 Speaker 1: good altcut acrylic solid color stain in the Sherman Williams brands. 408 00:28:55,000 --> 00:29:00,040 Speaker 1: I'd still use the deck brightener, but that that and 409 00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:03,520 Speaker 1: it'll it'll you know again, using that deck brightener. I 410 00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:06,080 Speaker 1: tell people to use it even if you're use in 411 00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:09,000 Speaker 1: an oil base. It just opens up those wood fibers. 412 00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:12,280 Speaker 1: If you get the modified alcatocrylic. You might be best 413 00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:13,360 Speaker 1: off going that direction. 414 00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:19,560 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, so I'm wondering. I'm wondering it because of 415 00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:22,560 Speaker 4: what you explained. Does that pretty much mean whenever we 416 00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:27,040 Speaker 4: see a deck that has the stain flaking off, is 417 00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:31,920 Speaker 4: that kind of a like a does that explain that 418 00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:34,280 Speaker 4: it was installed incorrectly. 419 00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:38,360 Speaker 1: Basically not necessarily installed improperly, But what it is it 420 00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:45,120 Speaker 1: might have been I might have been improperly. Uh, they 421 00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:47,680 Speaker 1: may not waited long enough. There's there's a couple of 422 00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:51,479 Speaker 1: things that make the solid color solid color or semi 423 00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:54,920 Speaker 1: transparent peel off, and semi transparents can peel off too. 424 00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:59,680 Speaker 1: One is if somebody sanded that and put on a 425 00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:03,880 Speaker 1: side color, the bond is not as good. It didn't 426 00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:08,960 Speaker 1: get a chance to penetrate. If so, or there's a 427 00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:13,120 Speaker 1: moisture issue, meaning hey, I'm gonna just do this once 428 00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:16,560 Speaker 1: I'm tired of looking at this. There's also I don't 429 00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:18,600 Speaker 1: have the number off the top of my head. I 430 00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:20,920 Speaker 1: think it's twelve percent, but I can't swear to it. 431 00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:25,520 Speaker 1: There are moisture meters that have little tiny like nails 432 00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:27,440 Speaker 1: at the end of it. You can actually stick it 433 00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:31,240 Speaker 1: into the wood it'll give you the moisture content of 434 00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:35,800 Speaker 1: that wood, and there is a I think it's twelve percent. 435 00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:39,720 Speaker 1: It could be five percent. It's been a while since 436 00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:43,440 Speaker 1: I looked it up. When you get to a certain 437 00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:49,560 Speaker 1: percentage or below in moisture, it's ready to go. It's acceptable. 438 00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:52,440 Speaker 1: So you might want to google that and see what 439 00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:55,120 Speaker 1: kind of it. A moisture meter is thirty five bucks, 440 00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:58,400 Speaker 1: so you know it. It might be worth it because 441 00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:00,680 Speaker 1: you never want to resay in that whole thing. That's 442 00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:04,200 Speaker 1: a big old job. Yeah. 443 00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:07,880 Speaker 4: Yeah, So just so I'm following you correctly, if I 444 00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:10,040 Speaker 4: were to do all the prep work correctly, if I 445 00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:12,960 Speaker 4: were to give it a year, if I were. 446 00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:14,640 Speaker 7: To oxygenate, bleach it. 447 00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:17,200 Speaker 4: And then if I dick brighten it and I do 448 00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:22,800 Speaker 4: all my prep work correctly, is it the oil or 449 00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:26,000 Speaker 4: the water base? I know you mentioned the Sherman Williams, 450 00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:29,320 Speaker 4: But if I went, if I went oil or latex, 451 00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:32,600 Speaker 4: which one is going to have less chance of like 452 00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:36,160 Speaker 4: flaking off causing me to have the stand to reapply 453 00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:37,040 Speaker 4: years later. 454 00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:39,960 Speaker 1: I would say the oil would have the least chance 455 00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:45,400 Speaker 1: to flake off. But to be real, But having said that, 456 00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:49,520 Speaker 1: if you're really concerned about that I'd take a really 457 00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:54,400 Speaker 1: really strong look at the alcat acrilic because you do 458 00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:58,080 Speaker 1: make wims. Yeah, you do get good penetration with that, 459 00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:00,880 Speaker 1: plus you get the fade resistance, and if you do 460 00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:03,960 Speaker 1: those other things, I think you're not going to have 461 00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:07,080 Speaker 1: any problem at all getting that to attach. And you 462 00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:09,560 Speaker 1: got the you got the best of both worlds in. 463 00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:14,800 Speaker 4: Ten Ford, ten Ford. Thanks for everything, Gary. 464 00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:18,680 Speaker 1: All right, take care of every great weekend. Thanks all right, 465 00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:20,840 Speaker 1: we'll pack a little break, we'll come back, answer a 466 00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:24,840 Speaker 1: few more questions and wrap up our weekend. Eight hundred 467 00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:27,520 Speaker 1: eight two three eight two five five. If you want 468 00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:29,560 Speaker 1: to grab a line, do so. 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We're 510 00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:29,680 Speaker 1: gonna get this question a lot this year, just because 511 00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:32,360 Speaker 1: there's a lot of older decks out there now, and 512 00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:36,200 Speaker 1: there's new composites coming on board that are really really cool. 513 00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:40,279 Speaker 1: I know, the moisture shields now got one where it 514 00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:44,400 Speaker 1: controls the temperature doesn't get really real hot with nanoparticles 515 00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:47,840 Speaker 1: that the five wood stain now has nanoparticles in their stain, 516 00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:50,280 Speaker 1: for the wood doesn't get real hot. Pretty cool stuff. 517 00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:57,680 Speaker 1: But before you decide to start replacing boards, and especially 518 00:35:57,680 --> 00:35:59,480 Speaker 1: if you're gonna take all the boards off your deck 519 00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:02,400 Speaker 1: and boom, we're gonna go composite, our problems go away, 520 00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:08,319 Speaker 1: you've gotta inspect the structure too. Remember that structure is 521 00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:11,680 Speaker 1: designed to last anywhere between twenty five and fifty years old. 522 00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:14,480 Speaker 1: If it's been there twenty five years and let's say 523 00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:17,840 Speaker 1: it's got another ten to go, you don't want to 524 00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:21,360 Speaker 1: invest in all that composite would to put on top 525 00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:25,560 Speaker 1: of a you know, a structure that the joys have 526 00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:30,600 Speaker 1: some dry rot the ledger board is rotting, or the 527 00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:34,520 Speaker 1: leg bolts are loose, or the flashing isn't proper, or 528 00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:38,920 Speaker 1: the joy spacing is in sixteen inches, maybe it's twenty 529 00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:42,759 Speaker 1: two inches. You can't put composite on that. So pay 530 00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:48,640 Speaker 1: attention to the structure. All right, let's go, Steve, Steve, welcome, Hey, 531 00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:52,240 Speaker 1: are you sure doing fine? Thank you? 532 00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:54,560 Speaker 7: You got a good subject today. I called you a 533 00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:56,680 Speaker 7: couple of years ago on the same subject. 534 00:36:56,719 --> 00:36:58,760 Speaker 1: Tony, I was a builder. 535 00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:01,560 Speaker 7: In Maryland for I don't know, twenty years or so. 536 00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:04,200 Speaker 7: In the seventies, eighties and nineties, and I built a 537 00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:07,880 Speaker 7: lot of decks with pressure treated wood, and including my 538 00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:14,440 Speaker 7: own house. And what happened, and I'm sure it's a 539 00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:18,040 Speaker 7: problem that won't go away, is all the posts six 540 00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:20,840 Speaker 7: by six posts, you know, two feet in the ground, 541 00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:24,839 Speaker 7: sitting on a little piece of concrete or something. I 542 00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:27,440 Speaker 7: started with a friend's house about ten years ago, and 543 00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:30,759 Speaker 7: then my house. I checked all money. They they right 544 00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:35,359 Speaker 7: in the ground after they were between thirty five and 545 00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:37,960 Speaker 7: forty five years old. I built a lot of decks 546 00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:42,480 Speaker 7: back then, and so what I did at my house, 547 00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:45,920 Speaker 7: I didn't want to throw away the rest the joys 548 00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:49,240 Speaker 7: were you know, two x ten oversize two foot centers. 549 00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:52,879 Speaker 7: The rest of the structure was plenty sound, including the railings. 550 00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:55,640 Speaker 7: The only thing that rooted was the in ground posts. 551 00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:56,560 Speaker 1: And so. 552 00:37:58,000 --> 00:37:59,480 Speaker 7: The other thing I don't know if you brought it 553 00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:02,480 Speaker 7: up today, was all the decking. You know, his standard 554 00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:06,240 Speaker 7: was like two by six pressure treated you know decking, 555 00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:10,240 Speaker 7: and that gets all checked and worn. And where kids 556 00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:13,160 Speaker 7: get splinters in their feet that you know, the sun 557 00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:17,799 Speaker 7: does that, I say, and so but my if I 558 00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:21,480 Speaker 7: was thirty years younger, I would go around to everybody 559 00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:24,719 Speaker 7: and say, I'll do whatever you want for a finished deck, 560 00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:27,680 Speaker 7: but you have a sound structure. I'll fix the posts 561 00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:30,919 Speaker 7: and we'll cover up your two by sixes. Because now 562 00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:33,160 Speaker 7: I get friends that tell me they get a deck 563 00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:40,880 Speaker 7: estimate ten fifteen, twenty thousand dollars for you know, and 564 00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:45,440 Speaker 7: and higher, okay, and higher, And most of that structure 565 00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:49,120 Speaker 7: is still sound because it's above grade. And if you 566 00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:53,120 Speaker 7: I did one with a friend or he was in Kentucky, 567 00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:54,880 Speaker 7: so I don't know how it came out with the 568 00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:59,880 Speaker 7: composite right over the decking. I use the structure and 569 00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:02,440 Speaker 7: we we play. We dug down and put a foot 570 00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:05,399 Speaker 7: under each post, and he said it's great. 571 00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:06,040 Speaker 4: He loves it. 572 00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:08,400 Speaker 7: And it costs like I don't know if it was 573 00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:12,040 Speaker 7: two thousand versus fifteen thousand. I'm just throwing numbers around, 574 00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:16,280 Speaker 7: But most of that decks is structurally. 575 00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:20,399 Speaker 1: Sound, right well, you know, plus they went through all 576 00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:23,680 Speaker 1: these different years of changing the structure of the pressure 577 00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:28,480 Speaker 1: treatment and now they got it rated as ground contact 578 00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:33,800 Speaker 1: and non ground contact tact Yeah, and yeah, you're foolish 579 00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:38,439 Speaker 1: if you just don't buy the ground contact. You big 580 00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:41,280 Speaker 1: old oak tree hanging over your deck and the wet 581 00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:43,520 Speaker 1: leaves lay on it all year. That's as good as 582 00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:47,040 Speaker 1: ground contact you're gonna get. And that pressure tree, as 583 00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:49,480 Speaker 1: you know, it's not down there very deep. And if 584 00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:55,160 Speaker 1: the sun has you know, made that wood crack or 585 00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:59,400 Speaker 1: check and water gets down there, it's and it's not 586 00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:03,480 Speaker 1: ground contact, it's gonna get rott. I mean, it's gonna rot. 587 00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:07,080 Speaker 1: So that's we got to pay attention. That's one of 588 00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:10,879 Speaker 1: the products that I was talking about, that copper greenwood preservative. 589 00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:17,960 Speaker 1: It contains a type of copper product and a lot 590 00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:22,319 Speaker 1: of people actually use that on below grade uh you 591 00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:28,920 Speaker 1: know posts. Now it's not forever, but it's you know, 592 00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:32,040 Speaker 1: there's an insecticide in and it's you know, strong stuff, 593 00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:37,200 Speaker 1: and certainly use that. But it's hard to answer deck 594 00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:43,560 Speaker 1: questions anymore, only because there's different generational treatment that are 595 00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:47,400 Speaker 1: involved in there's choices that people make, and you know, 596 00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:51,120 Speaker 1: even from the alkids to the oils to the now 597 00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:55,240 Speaker 1: we got semi solids and there's just a lot to 598 00:40:55,280 --> 00:41:00,400 Speaker 1: fare through. And one we're still working on decks, just 599 00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:02,680 Speaker 1: just like you did a long time ago, Steve. It's 600 00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:06,319 Speaker 1: not been perfected. It wasn't the panacea that we thought 601 00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:06,799 Speaker 1: it was. 602 00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:10,440 Speaker 7: And I just got one other point to make. We 603 00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:13,439 Speaker 7: stayed a family, twenty some of us stayed in North 604 00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:16,400 Speaker 7: Carolina the Outer Banks last summer, and we rented a 605 00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:18,680 Speaker 7: very expensive one week beach house. 606 00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:19,839 Speaker 4: And all the. 607 00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:22,600 Speaker 7: New beach houses in the Outer Banks, I don't know 608 00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:28,680 Speaker 7: what other areas are. Their foundation is twelve by twelve 609 00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:32,400 Speaker 7: pressure treated wood yellow southern yellow pine, just like we 610 00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:36,000 Speaker 7: used fifty years. And I asked the guy who was 611 00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:39,000 Speaker 7: a builder who we rented from. I said, buddy, what's 612 00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:41,400 Speaker 7: going to happen forty years, I've got rotten in the 613 00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:44,879 Speaker 7: ground stuff And he just shrugged. You know, it's like, hey, 614 00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:47,800 Speaker 7: I ain't going to worry about that, but it's not forever. 615 00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:50,560 Speaker 1: It's my point that is, No, it's not forever. We've 616 00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:53,200 Speaker 1: learned that. Now. Thanks much for the call, Steve. I 617 00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:56,799 Speaker 1: appreciate it. Thank you. Take care and Art, let's get 618 00:41:56,840 --> 00:41:58,080 Speaker 1: you in before we got to leave. 619 00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:04,640 Speaker 8: Yeah, sir, thanks taking my call. I heard that if 620 00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:08,760 Speaker 8: you have an old wooden panel fence or in my case, 621 00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:14,400 Speaker 8: cedar shakes on my cabin on the bide, that swimming 622 00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:18,800 Speaker 8: pool chlorine works better than fifty to fifty bleach water. 623 00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:20,919 Speaker 8: What are your thoughts. 624 00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:25,600 Speaker 1: On, well, it's in the same family. It'll bleach it out. Yeah, 625 00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:28,000 Speaker 1: I mean, it'll bleach it out. It's not the best 626 00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:32,120 Speaker 1: thing I'm gonna and you know, it will bleach it out. 627 00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:36,040 Speaker 1: It's not the best thing for wood, you know, bleach, 628 00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:42,439 Speaker 1: chlorine whatever, I mean, it's it's it's I'd rather see 629 00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:46,160 Speaker 1: he use like an oxygenated bleach, which I talk about 630 00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:50,080 Speaker 1: a lot a lot of chlorine, and chlorine bleach doesn't 631 00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:54,000 Speaker 1: kill all the molds and funguses. Plus it's really tough 632 00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:56,160 Speaker 1: on what they call the lingdin in the wood, which 633 00:42:56,239 --> 00:42:59,919 Speaker 1: is the fibers. It's almost like glued together and chlor 634 00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:03,680 Speaker 1: or you know, there's all kinds of things that you know, 635 00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:05,360 Speaker 1: when I start doing the show, I used to do 636 00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:08,280 Speaker 1: a thing, you know, a gallon of water, three cups bleach, 637 00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:11,359 Speaker 1: two cups of powdered soap. It'll clean everything, and it will, 638 00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:14,439 Speaker 1: it'll clean it, but long term it's not real good 639 00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:20,960 Speaker 1: for the wood. So you might take a look at 640 00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:25,560 Speaker 1: some of the oxygenated bleaches and even if the cedar 641 00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:29,680 Speaker 1: is real dark and stuff. I kept talking about a 642 00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:34,839 Speaker 1: deck restoring product which is like oxalic acid. It is 643 00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:38,440 Speaker 1: oxalic acid like a wood bleach that'll almost bring it 644 00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:44,320 Speaker 1: back to a natural looking color. And you know, I 645 00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:47,440 Speaker 1: always you know, the old bleach or chlorine will make 646 00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:50,240 Speaker 1: you feel good. I mean, it'll clean it up faster 647 00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:58,000 Speaker 1: than probably anything, but it's it's a little harsh for wood, 648 00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:04,319 Speaker 1: so i'd be careful with that. Hope that helps. And 649 00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:06,960 Speaker 1: not like the shingles are going to fall to the 650 00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:10,680 Speaker 1: house or anything, just long term, it's going to eventually 651 00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:14,080 Speaker 1: absorb different stains at different rates. So trying to move 652 00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:17,719 Speaker 1: everybody over to the ox sali or the I'm sorry, 653 00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:20,839 Speaker 1: the oxygenated bleach. We've got a lot of chemicals we're 654 00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:24,080 Speaker 1: thrown around the day. I hope we haven't confused yet, 655 00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:26,279 Speaker 1: but we always got another weekend to talk about it. 656 00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:29,080 Speaker 1: And as Danny said, spring must be here because we're 657 00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:35,319 Speaker 1: talking about decks, hooray, and we're not talking about ice dams. Hooray. Yes, 658 00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:38,760 Speaker 1: Danny boy, thank you very much, appreciate all your efforts today. 659 00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:41,239 Speaker 1: Good Lord willing. 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