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Speaker 1: still nil, Neil, Yeah, I mean, just do better, play better,

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Speaker 1: Though I was shocked, I was gonna do a more

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Speaker 1: formal analysis of that. Roma Wilson actually has taken more

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Speaker 2: Like ninety to sixty to fifty something like that. But

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Speaker 1: Two guys should be playing hardly at all because they're bums.

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Speaker 1: Then again, is Roman Wilson justified? Then again, has he

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Speaker 1: Johnson is still on the pay no Mind list. I

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Speaker 1: My bottom line to the bottom line is it's a

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Speaker 2: No, never mind.

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Speaker 1: I'd like to take some calls today because, as we know,

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Speaker 1: when I take calls, I can more freely watch.

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Speaker 2: The game.

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Speaker 1: Liverpool and Frankfurt. I also have to do a cameo

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Speaker 1: show's priorities, the show is like among the bottom of them,

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Speaker 1: that's off sides, that call it it's off sides. I

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Speaker 1: they let the trip go. See they knew it was

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Speaker 1: off sides. Let the trip go. We have the ball

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Speaker 1: I did summarize I believe the top three occasions in

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Speaker 2: Otawni Game last Friday are in order.

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Speaker 1: two Don Larson's perfect game in nineteen fifty six. Number

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Speaker 1: In terms of world history, I would rank the Otawni

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Speaker 1: So your comments on that eight three three four one

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Speaker 1: I'm really impressed by the Otani thing, but it's only baseball.

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Speaker 1: Like Mariomu five bulls five ways. That's way better than

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Speaker 1: Otani did because people were whacking him with wood and

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Speaker 1: he was on skates when he did it. Uh here,

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Speaker 1: this is weird. Pat mccabee said the NBA should give

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Speaker 1: I hate that mentality that everything should get out of

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Speaker 1: the Steelers just got to play better. It's not making

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Speaker 1: We sleep on what Tank's career stats, career stats and accomplishment.

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Speaker 2: It feels weird to say that about the Penguins.

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Speaker 1: That the system protected him depends that Florida tomorrow night

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Speaker 1: Trobe Prime Rib night, best of all, my world's hockey

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Speaker 1: and Prime rib join me in truckies tomorrow night. Well,

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Speaker 1: a bunch of Steelers with the game tomorrow, the game

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Speaker 1: last night Aaron Rodgers and Will Howard included Will Howard

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Speaker 1: This notion that Jeremy Fowler reported that the Steelers already

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Speaker 1: How can you decide that now after just six games

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Speaker 1: will you draft that quarterback and have him be Rodgers's understudy,

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Speaker 2: That just amazes me. But it doesn't amaze.

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Speaker 1: Me because that's the Steelers eat SEC with a good

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Speaker 1: and I'm not surprised they decided it.

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Speaker 2: All right. Uh eight three three four one two.

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Speaker 2: Oh wait, Soba got it? Clears back to our goalkeeper

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Speaker 2: one X tomorrow night.

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Speaker 3: You said the X at one five nine.

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Speaker 1: Okay, here's a couple of questions. You want to get

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Speaker 1: I'd say more like C plus.

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Speaker 2: What do you think?

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Speaker 1: What do you think of the notion reported by Jeremy

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Speaker 1: that would then include elevating Will Howard to the air apparents,

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Speaker 1: the first round next year when everyone's expecting them.

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Speaker 2: To take a quarterback.

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Speaker 1: Saturday on ESPN spinning out truth about how disappointing the

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Speaker 4: The Steeler defense might be the most disappointing unit all

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Speaker 4: things considered, Jeff, to.

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Speaker 2: Me in the entire NFL.

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Speaker 4: You know that maybe they definitely are, like you said,

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Speaker 2: That is insane.

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Speaker 4: But you would never the Steelers never gave up hundred

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Speaker 4: It opens up for Chase for Higgins, for a guy

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Speaker 2: You have to earn the right to rush the passer.

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Speaker 1: Uh, that's good sound and that was the biggest failure

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Speaker 1: Joe Flacco. At what point do you get that that

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Speaker 1: they play up to their pedigree in their past. It's

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Speaker 1: just not a good defense. It won't get better. That

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Speaker 1: defense will be the reason they fail at that price.

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Speaker 1: What's going to Scooch and hope we'll scoot You're on

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Speaker 5: M What up, big Sexy? Hey, this might sound a

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Speaker 5: little crazy or far fetched, but would you consider bumping

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Speaker 5: Ruster Raquel off that top power play and maybe sliding

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Speaker 2: Absolutely? Absolutely?

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Speaker 1: I would, I would, I would definitely bump rust or

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Speaker 1: Raquel off in favor of Kendall. He is a better

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Speaker 1: power play guy right now, at age eighteen.

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Speaker 2: He has better.

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Speaker 1: Instincts, and we see that in his sporadic power play time.

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Speaker 1: He's better than either of those two. This isn't about

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Speaker 1: it would normally be about young development, but giving yourself

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Speaker 2: I agree.

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Speaker 5: And how nice is it in refreshing to see Carlson

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Speaker 5: and Latang just playing simple hockey. No more hospital passes,

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Speaker 5: no more stupid pinches. I think if they can just

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Speaker 5: just keep it simple stupid, uh, they might have a

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Speaker 1: Well, and you said no more, I would I would, Uh,

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Speaker 1: I would rethink that and say not as many.

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Speaker 2: Let's go to Donnie. Donnie, you're out of your elements.

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Speaker 6: That's right, dude. Hey, uh, Mark about the showy thing. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Does that make sense?

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Speaker 1: He is, by no standard or statistic better than Babe Ruth.

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Speaker 2: Mike, before we talked football, Where does the.

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Speaker 1: Otawani game last Friday rank among baseball's all time achievements

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Speaker 7: Well, it was amazing, there's no doubt to be able

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Speaker 7: But I don't think there are very many other.

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Speaker 7: The preponderance of the.

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Speaker 1: To find exactly what's wrong with that defense, because to

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I think it's the way I look at

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Speaker 7: And to me, I don't see a way.

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Speaker 7: There you go, one one. I'm a little behind you,

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Speaker 1: We're talking to Mike the course of the Sporting News

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Speaker 1: Jamar Chase said that the Steelers defense did exactly as

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Speaker 2: When you when you hear that criticism, now, well, I'll.

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Speaker 3: Be honest with you, Mark, I thought that was as

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Speaker 7: I don't think they expected that.

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Speaker 3: Look, the Steelers have not been that predictable in terms

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Speaker 7: Is It's inexplicable. Why would you do that?

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Speaker 3: What are you trying to achieve by throwing yourself onto

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Speaker 7: You're supposed to be there to tackle somebody.

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Speaker 3: If you throw yourself onto the block, then you force

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Speaker 7: Greater chance as well that the tackle won't.

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Speaker 1: Be made Mike, we know green Bay is going to

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Speaker 3: I know the criticism of Broderick Jones was overdone early on.

445
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Speaker 3: We're seeing growth there. He's been much better of late.

446
00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:18,840
Speaker 3: Troy Faltanu has been much better. We've seen fewer breakdowns

447
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Speaker 3: in the middle. Rogers is getting a little less pressure

448
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Speaker 3: than he once was, and now I.

449
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Speaker 7: Think that when you get less then you can.

450
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Speaker 3: React better to that which you see, which he was

451
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Speaker 3: very good at avoiding what pressure he saw by the

452
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Speaker 3: Cincinnati defense. So I think that we're seeing them improve.

453
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Speaker 3: And obviously Parsons is a great player, and you have

454
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Speaker 3: to be aware of where he is and you have

455
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Speaker 3: to pay him special attention and you have to execute

456
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Speaker 3: great against him. But for me, the principal concern is

457
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Speaker 3: this defense getting back to coverage being more effective and

458
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Speaker 3: to the run game being as effective. As it was

459
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Speaker 3: the run defense being as effective as it was against

460
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Speaker 3: Minnesota and Cleveland.

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Speaker 2: To me, the principal concern is Van Dyke just scored

462
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Speaker 2: two to one.

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Speaker 1: Now you played Josh Jacobs this week, You play Jonathan

464
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Speaker 1: Taylor of Indie next week. If that run defense doesn't

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Speaker 1: figure it out, oh, those are arguably the two best

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Speaker 1: backs in the league. And as I said just before

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Speaker 1: you came on, Mike, I think the most shocking part

468
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Speaker 1: of that Cincinnati game wasn't the Jamar and t Higgins,

469
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Speaker 1: especially Jamar ripped him up, is that the Bengals ran

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Speaker 1: the ball on him, because the Bengals can't run the

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Speaker 1: ball on anybody. And now we're talking Jacobs and Taylor.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, it was stunning to me that they that they.

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Speaker 3: Were as effective as they were, And I think that, honestly,

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Speaker 3: that was one of those things where I think they

475
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Speaker 3: took it lightly. I think they thought that it wouldn't

476
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Speaker 3: be difficult that their minds were totally on Chase and

477
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Speaker 3: Higgins in much the same way as I talked about

478
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Speaker 3: after they after the game against the Jets, when they

479
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Speaker 3: seem so vexed by what they knew justin fields might

480
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Speaker 3: be able to do with the with the ball on

481
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Speaker 3: his legs. I think they were much more concerned about

482
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Speaker 3: what was going on behind them and as a result

483
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Speaker 3: didn't focus on just doing the basics when the ball

484
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Speaker 3: was run. And they have to be if you're If

485
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Speaker 3: you don't fix the secondary and improve that, the defensive

486
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Speaker 3: line and the linebackers are always going to be vexed

487
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Speaker 3: by that.

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Speaker 7: So it all comes together as part of a piece.

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Speaker 3: You have to be good at both or you're going

490
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Speaker 3: to be good at neither.

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Speaker 2: How good is.

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Speaker 1: Jordan love Green based quarterback? He's not quite ascended to

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Speaker 1: that Farvin Rodgers level.

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Speaker 7: Has he No, And he's not played great yet this year.

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Speaker 3: I mean, he may have had some one or two

496
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Speaker 3: great games, but on the whole, this has not been

497
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Speaker 3: a great breakthrough season for love and I think a

498
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Speaker 3: lot of people expected it when.

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Speaker 2: He's been prone to some egregious mistakes too.

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Speaker 3: Yes, and so, I mean I watched the game against

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Speaker 3: the Bengals, and that was when I first became concerned

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Speaker 3: that the Bengals game might not be as easy as

503
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Speaker 3: it appeared on paper, because they the Packers really had

504
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Speaker 3: a tough time in the second half, especially on the

505
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Speaker 3: defensive end, they were not stopping the Bengals.

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Speaker 7: I think Bengals had two.

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Speaker 3: Hundred plus yards in that second half against them, and offensively,

508
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Speaker 3: they weren't shredding what is not a great Bengals defense.

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Speaker 3: And so that I think the Steelers have a chance

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Speaker 3: to right themselves here, but they'll have to play great.

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Speaker 7: Certainly, at their very worst, the Packers are.

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Speaker 3: A solid NFL team, and at their very best they're

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Speaker 3: up there in the top six or seven teams in

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Speaker 3: the league.

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Speaker 1: What's it going to be like for Rogers playing against

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Speaker 1: Green Bay for the first time. Well, he psyched himself out,

517
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Speaker 1: you know, like like Lafflier says, it's just another game.

518
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Speaker 1: I'm sure Rodgers will say the same. But you know,

519
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Speaker 1: Rogers doesn't think that way. I think the potential is

520
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Speaker 1: there for him to play very well or very badly

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Speaker 1: if he overthinks it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that one of the things that's been

523
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Speaker 3: impressive to me, really, the thing that's been most impressive

524
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Speaker 3: to me about Rogers since he came to Pittsburgh is.

525
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Speaker 7: That he's done everything right and the right thing.

526
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Speaker 3: Is to not worry about this like it's just another

527
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Speaker 3: team and when it's over, if you win you can

528
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Speaker 3: take a little extra proct in it, but you have

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Speaker 3: to look at it as just another team that have

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Speaker 3: those eleven guys on defense and that coach and that DC.

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Speaker 7: Et cetera. You can't worry about that, And it just

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Speaker 7: it seems to me that it would be.

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Speaker 3: Right now, it would be totally out of character for

534
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Speaker 3: Aaron Rodgers the football player to worry the least about

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Speaker 3: the fact that he's playing against his old team. For me,

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Speaker 3: I honestly, I think he would be more prone to

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Speaker 3: that if it were the Jets, with the way everything

538
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Speaker 3: went down at the end, he might think a little

539
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Speaker 3: bit more about that.

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Speaker 7: And maybe he did at the beginning of that game

541
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Speaker 7: when they opened it.

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Speaker 3: But I think right now he's just focused on, Hey,

543
00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:05,200
Speaker 3: this is a game we have to win because should

544
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:07,520
Speaker 3: have won last week. Got a really couple of tough

545
00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:10,960
Speaker 3: ones coming after this. It's a home game in prime time.

546
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Speaker 3: Gotta play great, gotta win.

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Speaker 2: No, I think you're right.

548
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Speaker 1: I think if the game we're at Green Bay, it

549
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:18,720
Speaker 1: might be slightly different as well, But it's at Pittsburgh now.

550
00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:22,160
Speaker 1: Jeremy Fowler broke a story that the Steelers right now

551
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:23,919
Speaker 1: are already leaning toward bringing.

552
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Speaker 2: Rogers back for next year.

553
00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:28,960
Speaker 1: Does that surprise you to have made it seemingly in

554
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Speaker 1: this timeframe.

555
00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:33,840
Speaker 3: No, and I'll tell you why, Mark, because I think

556
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Speaker 3: that and I believe, and I have believe strongly that

557
00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:39,320
Speaker 3: the Steelers will be in the market in the draft

558
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Speaker 3: for a number one QB unless everybody just completely blunders

559
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:47,120
Speaker 3: from here to the end of the year.

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Speaker 7: I think they're going to go into the draft with

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Speaker 7: that in mind.

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Speaker 3: I don't know there's a darnold out there that is

563
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Speaker 3: likely to be let go into free agency by his team.

564
00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:00,480
Speaker 2: What if they conned themselves to believe it?

565
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:02,680
Speaker 1: In Will Howard though, I wonder about that because he's

566
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Speaker 1: coming off ir now.

567
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:06,880
Speaker 7: Gosh, I don't. I hope that's not the case. I mean,

568
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:09,680
Speaker 7: you can't bet on a fifth round pick.

569
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Speaker 3: If it happens, you don't deny it, as the forty

570
00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:14,480
Speaker 3: nine Ers did not with Rock Perdy in.

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Speaker 2: You can't plan for it though, No.

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00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:20,160
Speaker 7: Absolutely not. Like I said, if it had three one, of.

573
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Speaker 2: Course, are you ripping this game wide open karate? With

574
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:25,280
Speaker 2: the header three to one Liverpool?

575
00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:26,440
Speaker 7: There you go.

576
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Speaker 3: I don't think that you can afford to ever bet

577
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Speaker 3: on that, Like I said, Brady happened, and don't get out,

578
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:36,040
Speaker 3: You don't get in the way of that. You don't say, well,

579
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Speaker 3: he's only a six six round pick. So what we're

580
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Speaker 3: seeing is it real? And the forty nine ers did

581
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:43,440
Speaker 3: that with Perdy And I'm not sure that Perdy is

582
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:46,760
Speaker 3: Brady or even may be worth investing in, but they

583
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:50,120
Speaker 3: decided on that. So if Will Howard surpasses all expectation

584
00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:54,520
Speaker 3: and absolutely proves he's the guy, you let it happen,

585
00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:57,440
Speaker 3: but you plan for Hey, we got to get somebody

586
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Speaker 3: in here that's a real number one. And I don't think,

587
00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:04,840
Speaker 3: and looking at the league, that there's a Donald coming

588
00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:05,720
Speaker 3: off of last year.

589
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Speaker 2: Well, no, no, there really isn't. There's no like free agent.

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Speaker 2: That's why I'm that ill bit.

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Speaker 1: But Mike, here's the other thing though, Mike, and you're

592
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Speaker 1: a big college football guy. A lot of the heralded

593
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Speaker 1: first round picks have not had good years. Is that number?

594
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Speaker 1: Is that pool shrinking?

595
00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:24,440
Speaker 3: I think it's shrinking, or it's being redirected.

596
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Speaker 7: More so, I.

597
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Speaker 3: Think some of the guys that everybody thought would be

598
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Speaker 3: those guys arch Manning nuss Meyer at LSU.

599
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Speaker 7: Guys like that.

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Speaker 3: It's switching away from them a little bit, But guys

601
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Speaker 3: like Mattier at Oklahoma, the Mendoza at Indiana, people are

602
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Speaker 3: starting to believe in them, and I.

603
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Speaker 7: Don't know whether by the end we'll believe in them.

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Speaker 3: Sam Levitt at Arizona State's another guy's got it's got

605
00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:52,080
Speaker 3: one of those feisty streaks in him. You kind of like,

606
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Speaker 3: we'll know more by the end of the year whether

607
00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:58,680
Speaker 3: those guys are capable. But I like the idea of

608
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Speaker 3: bringing this Aaron Rodgers back. And remember I'm I'm acknowledging

609
00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:06,120
Speaker 3: that I was very critical at the beginning of the

610
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:09,200
Speaker 3: decision to do it. But if he continues to be

611
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:14,560
Speaker 3: this player and this person, then having him to mentor no, no, no.

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Speaker 2: I'm not against him, Mike.

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Speaker 1: I just think it's odd that they're already thinking in

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Speaker 1: those terms.

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00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:21,640
Speaker 2: Now, well, I think.

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Speaker 7: You have to plan ahead and that far.

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Speaker 3: But you're not doing anything. I mean, you haven't offered

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00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:30,800
Speaker 3: him a contract extension. If if, if what was reported

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Speaker 3: by Fowler was that there was a deal on the

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Speaker 3: table for X number of million dollars and this and that,

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Speaker 3: I would be shocked, right, just internal conversation, Hey, this

622
00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:42,560
Speaker 3: might not be this guy we like him.

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Speaker 7: We like who he is, we like who he is

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00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:46,360
Speaker 7: around our team. He's been great. You saw last night

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Speaker 7: he brought Howard to the hockey game. So some of

626
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Speaker 7: the stuff we.

627
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Speaker 3: Heard at the early part of training camp and mini

628
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Speaker 3: camp and all that about how cooperative he been with

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Speaker 3: trying to help Howard become a better player to be

630
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Speaker 3: a real NFL player must be true. I mean that

631
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:04,360
Speaker 3: he doesn't have to keep doing that. So if you

632
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:05,720
Speaker 3: can have that guy.

633
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:10,520
Speaker 7: Around a young quarterback, then why wouldn't you? And after all,

634
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Speaker 7: I've been on.

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Speaker 3: The record about this many times. You'd much rather have

636
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:18,280
Speaker 3: a guy. If you get that guy in round one

637
00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:21,360
Speaker 3: this year on the north side, you want to have

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00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:22,480
Speaker 3: him sit Mark.

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Speaker 7: You don't want to have to play.

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Speaker 2: I don't dispute that at all. I agree.

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Speaker 1: I mean, there are the rare exceptions, but they are

642
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Speaker 1: just that rare exceptions, exactly.

643
00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:37,160
Speaker 3: Ben is one of the few exceptions. Brady Mahomes, Rogers himself,

644
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Speaker 3: they all sat and they all became great.

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Speaker 2: Mike is always great stuff.

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Speaker 1: You set a record, by the way, most Liverpool goals

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Speaker 1: during one interview segment with.

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Speaker 6: Three, So.

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Speaker 7: I'll take that absolutely.

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Speaker 1: I could not be happier Mike. Good stuff. We'll talk

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Speaker 1: next week.

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Speaker 7: Thanks Mark.

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