WEBVTT - Trump Ends U.S. Trade with Canada | Surrogacy Flaws

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<v Speaker 1>You're listening to Bill Handle on demand from kfi AM

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<v Speaker 1>six forty may get a laws you made, get a

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<v Speaker 1>real good one.

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<v Speaker 2>Jfi AM six forty Bill Handled here it is a

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<v Speaker 2>footy Friday, October twenty four I got a story I

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<v Speaker 2>want to share with you, and this has to do

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<v Speaker 2>with a federal judge just issued a tentative ruling ordering

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<v Speaker 2>that immigrant detainees.

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<v Speaker 1>Have access to legal counsel.

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<v Speaker 2>And this had to do with Lindsey has a friend

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<v Speaker 2>that she's known for many, many years, and her whole

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<v Speaker 2>sort of circle of friends are absolutely devastated because one

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<v Speaker 2>of her friends married to a Hispanic guy. I think

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<v Speaker 2>he's twenty nine years old, came to the US when

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<v Speaker 2>he was thirteen, and his mother came there because his aunt,

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<v Speaker 2>his mother's sister, I had been murdered the Narco trophic

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<v Speaker 2>conte one of the gangs and then dropped off in

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<v Speaker 2>front of their house with her tongue cut off. So

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<v Speaker 2>they came to the United States and not legally. He's

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<v Speaker 2>been with attorneys for ten years trying to figure it out. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>he was just picked up and he's at a detention center,

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<v Speaker 2>and of course everybody is going nuts and of course,

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<v Speaker 2>we're only going after the worst of the worst. That's

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<v Speaker 2>the part that really is completely insane.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, just wanted to share that with you.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, let's move over to what a federal judge just

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<v Speaker 2>did issued a order that immigrant immigrant detainees have access

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<v Speaker 2>to legal counsel. And so the government is in front

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<v Speaker 2>of the judge, and what this does is extend a

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<v Speaker 2>temporary restraining order that US District judge I don't want

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<v Speaker 2>to go through her name, issued in July, requiring federal

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<v Speaker 2>immigrant agencies allow legal visitation at their detention facilities seven

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<v Speaker 2>days a week now when someone is in jail. All right,

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<v Speaker 2>just to let you know, if someone is in prison

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<v Speaker 2>or jail, an attorney shows up at three am in

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<v Speaker 2>the morning, they get access to their client. They get

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<v Speaker 2>access twenty four to seven. And the argument here was

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<v Speaker 2>that it wasn't happening. So the government attorney argues that

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<v Speaker 2>evidence shows detainees let me get this, I want to

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<v Speaker 2>get this quote correctly, our meeting with attorneys, they have

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<v Speaker 2>access to counsel, and conditions of confinement are not an

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<v Speaker 2>issue before the court, because that's the other argument. There

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<v Speaker 2>is virtually no sanitation. They are living in cots. They

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<v Speaker 2>don't have access to their council and they're living in

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<v Speaker 2>these horrible conditions, and the government attorney says, that's not

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<v Speaker 2>what's that issue here was that issue is access to

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<v Speaker 2>legal counsel. And by the way, they do have access.

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<v Speaker 2>Straight out, that's just not true. They have access. And

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<v Speaker 2>that's what's pretty tough about what's going on here, where

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<v Speaker 2>the judge said, the court say one thing, and it

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<v Speaker 2>is it almost doesn't matter for this administration. There was

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<v Speaker 2>a story on sixty minutes was this past Sunday where

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<v Speaker 2>a guy who is ahead of the ethics whatever department

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<v Speaker 2>he was, he had moved himself up and had been

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<v Speaker 2>with a doj and he just quit.

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<v Speaker 1>He couldn't take it anymore.

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<v Speaker 2>And what he said was there were court orders that

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<v Speaker 2>were not being followed where he talked about superiors coming

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<v Speaker 2>into rooms and you know, putting programs together and having

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<v Speaker 2>entire departments meet. And they basically said, ignore what.

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<v Speaker 1>The judges say. One one of them. This was the

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<v Speaker 1>accusation that was made.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you remember when the flight was going on to

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<v Speaker 2>El Salvador and Abrago was on that flight and he

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<v Speaker 2>was delivered and the judge said, you have to stop everything.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, the order was the while he was on the flight.

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<v Speaker 2>One of the illegal detainees, and the argument in front

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<v Speaker 2>of the court uh, and the attorney was or actually

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<v Speaker 2>it was the official was asked, did you know this

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<v Speaker 2>was happening? And he said no, I had no idea.

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<v Speaker 2>And the accusation was I was in the room when

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<v Speaker 2>he was told ignore what the court say, and this

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<v Speaker 2>was what was going to happen this weekend. Some crazy

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<v Speaker 2>stuff is really happening, and it's really it's tremendously unfortunate,

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<v Speaker 2>and you're going to see these cases go uh up

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<v Speaker 2>to be a Supreme Court. And the argument about the representation,

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<v Speaker 2>that's your fifth Amendment.

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<v Speaker 1>You're you have the.

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<v Speaker 2>Government must give you representation when you are picked up.

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<v Speaker 1>If you can't afford it, they just have to do it.

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<v Speaker 2>So we'll see and then if it goes up to

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<v Speaker 2>the Supreme Court, which I think it will.

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<v Speaker 1>Because this is a Supreme Court issue.

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<v Speaker 2>There's so many cases that Supreme Court, the court is

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<v Speaker 2>being asked to rule on. That's what's happening in the

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<v Speaker 2>last nine months, and we'll see, we'll see what they do.

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<v Speaker 2>I think the court is going to go pretty strongly

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<v Speaker 2>in favor of the administration.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what this court's about.

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<v Speaker 2>Believes that the president has virtually unbridled power.

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<v Speaker 1>Doesn't have to.

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<v Speaker 2>Tell anybody if the laws says, if the underwriting underaligning

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<v Speaker 2>law says that you must follow this procedure. For example,

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<v Speaker 2>what's going on with the White House right now and

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<v Speaker 2>that great, big, beautiful, better than most tippy topst ballroom

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<v Speaker 2>that's going to be better, bigger than anybody who's ever seen.

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<v Speaker 2>You know that there are laws that say you have

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<v Speaker 2>to go through a historical society, you have to go

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<v Speaker 2>through panels.

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<v Speaker 1>No, no, I don't. Will the court back it up?

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<v Speaker 1>You bet?

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<v Speaker 3>All right?

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<v Speaker 1>So much for that, all right.

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<v Speaker 2>The Province of Ontario bought commercials on basically major US

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<v Speaker 2>television networks, all of them. And what they run, or

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<v Speaker 2>what those commercials did is run part of a speech

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<v Speaker 2>by former President Ronald Reagan.

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<v Speaker 1>And we're in the.

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<v Speaker 2>Middle the Trump administrations, in the middle of negotiations tariff

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<v Speaker 2>negotiations with the Canada, the provinces as well as the

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<v Speaker 2>entire country. So cono would you run It's about a

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<v Speaker 2>one minute clip of that speech that was done in

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen eighty seven by Ronald Reagan. Oh the ad I'm sorry,

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<v Speaker 2>the ad which was taken from that speech done in

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen eighty seven.

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<v Speaker 3>When someone says, let's impose tariffs on foreign imports, it

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<v Speaker 3>looks like they're doing the patriotic thing by protecting American

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<v Speaker 3>products and jobs. And sometimes for a short violet works,

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<v Speaker 3>but only for a short time. But over the long run,

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<v Speaker 3>such trade barriers hurt every American worker and consumer. High

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<v Speaker 3>tariffs inevitably lead to retaliation by foreign countries and the

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<v Speaker 3>triggering of fierce trade wards. Then the worst hackles, market

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<v Speaker 3>shrink and collapse, businesses and industry shut down, and millions.

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<v Speaker 1>Of people lose their jobs. Throughout the world.

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<v Speaker 3>There's a growing realization that the weight of prosperity for

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<v Speaker 3>oign nations is rejecting protectionist legislation and promoting fair and

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<v Speaker 3>free competition. America's jobs and growth are at stake.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, obviously this was a job at President Trump in

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<v Speaker 2>response to that. Now keep in mind this is a

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<v Speaker 2>TV ad that was run and the President was so

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<v Speaker 2>offended that he said, that's it.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm done speaking to Canada.

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<v Speaker 2>I am going to let the existing tariffs remain. All

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<v Speaker 2>negotiations are off, they're not very happy with us, because

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think President Trump ever has walked back his

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<v Speaker 2>statements about Canada should be our fifty first state and

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<v Speaker 2>is basically a toilet. The point I'm making on this

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<v Speaker 2>one is that the Trump folks are arguing that it

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<v Speaker 2>is fake news. Straight out, it's fake news. And when asked,

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<v Speaker 2>does that mean AI did it? Does that mean that

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<v Speaker 2>it didn't exist? Does that mean that there was an

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<v Speaker 2>impersonation of a voice? No, it wasn't fake It was edited.

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<v Speaker 2>And they also argued it was edited, and I'm leading

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<v Speaker 2>transcripts of the entire speech. Was a long speech, and

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<v Speaker 2>while it was edited, I'll tell you the basic.

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<v Speaker 1>Premise is not changed.

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<v Speaker 2>Reagan did speak out against tariffs, and.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of people do.

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<v Speaker 2>As a matter of fact, I think Reagan even addressed

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<v Speaker 2>the issue the Smooth Holly Act, which was passed during

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<v Speaker 2>the Depression to protect American businesses and it exacerbated the

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<v Speaker 2>Great Depression. So at this point the President has not

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<v Speaker 2>back down on, of course, as tariffs, there is an

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<v Speaker 2>argument among many many people that the tariffs are going

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<v Speaker 2>to hurt the United States long term, just as many

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<v Speaker 2>people on the other side say it's going to help

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<v Speaker 2>long term for the US. One of the things that

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<v Speaker 2>tariffs do is that products become so expensive in terms

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<v Speaker 2>of bringing them into the country that the move is

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<v Speaker 2>to build factories and produce here in the United States. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>is that ever going to be as cheap as overseas? Nope,

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<v Speaker 2>And the reason is building a factory is hideously, hideously

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<v Speaker 2>expensive here in the States, and they're not going to

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<v Speaker 2>pay workers three dollars an hour like they do in

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<v Speaker 2>China or they do in Mexico.

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<v Speaker 1>But to Trump's point, is it going to help.

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<v Speaker 2>It's certainly going to bring factories and businesses to the

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<v Speaker 2>United States that it is going to do. Now, whether

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<v Speaker 2>it's going to work economically, that's up in the air.

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<v Speaker 1>But I think what this story.

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<v Speaker 2>Effectively says is, don't piss off this president.

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<v Speaker 1>Just don't piss them off.

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<v Speaker 2>Ask James, call me, ask Leticia James. Do you think

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<v Speaker 2>he's going to make it illegal for Canada to speak American?

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<v Speaker 2>I you know, I think he's going to ask the

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<v Speaker 2>Canada to be thrown out of the UN, and maybe

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<v Speaker 2>he may even have Canada declared in and of itself illegal.

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<v Speaker 2>We have illegal aliens and we will have illegal countries.

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<v Speaker 2>Neil found this article actually from the Wall Street Journal

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<v Speaker 2>and sent it along.

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<v Speaker 1>And what's fascinating about this.

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<v Speaker 2>It's about surrogacy, of which obviously I've been heavily, heavily

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<v Speaker 2>involved throughout.

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<v Speaker 1>My entire career was surrogate parenting.

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<v Speaker 2>And I wrote my first surrogate parenting contract in nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>eighty when there were exactly two of us, two lawyers

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<v Speaker 2>on the planet that were practicing surrogacy law.

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<v Speaker 1>So I was there from the very very beginning.

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<v Speaker 2>And I was having a conversation with my good friend Mollie,

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<v Speaker 2>who is an attorney, nice Jewish girl, Molly O'Brien, who

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<v Speaker 2>is has become one of the premier lawyers in the field.

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<v Speaker 2>She started working for me administratively, then went to law

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<v Speaker 2>school and now is a big shot lawyer in this

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<v Speaker 2>And we talked about this topic and it's a Wall

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<v Speaker 2>Street Journal topic that here's the title. Surrogacy is a

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<v Speaker 2>multi billion dollar business. Sometimes the money goes missing. People

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<v Speaker 2>are very vulnerable, and there has not been a whole

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<v Speaker 2>lot of regulation.

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<v Speaker 1>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>The first California case or the first California piece of

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<v Speaker 2>legislature I was involved in helping to write, and it

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<v Speaker 2>set up protections for the surrogate mother, and the money

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<v Speaker 2>to pay for the surrogate has to be put in escrow,

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<v Speaker 2>has to be effectively put there up front.

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<v Speaker 1>And we used to do this.

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<v Speaker 2>My partner and I would create our own escrow company

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<v Speaker 2>because a lat let us do it. It was the

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<v Speaker 2>wild West. The problem is it's still the wild West.

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<v Speaker 2>Even though the law says the money has to be

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<v Speaker 2>an escrow, it's not a escrow company. The way the

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<v Speaker 2>regulations of escrow companies are real estate escrow companies, by

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<v Speaker 2>the way, where money changes hands for real estate, those

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<v Speaker 2>are very heavily regulated.

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<v Speaker 1>And there are bonds involved. Well, not in the.

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<v Speaker 2>Case of surrogacy, and there is a huge number of

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<v Speaker 2>couples who have just been ripped off completely, and there

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<v Speaker 2>is a case after case. I mean, since you have

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<v Speaker 2>so many tens of thousands of surrogacy cases that occur

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<v Speaker 2>every year, and there are hundreds of agencies. Now, I

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<v Speaker 2>keep in mind, when I started my agency, the Center

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<v Speaker 2>for Surrogate Parenting, we were basically the first ones out.

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<v Speaker 2>Now there are hundreds and hundreds, and it's still the

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<v Speaker 2>same regulations. Couples are so vulnerable, you know what I

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<v Speaker 2>compare this to is when a family member dies and

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<v Speaker 2>you go to the funeral establishment, the mortuary, the cemetery,

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<v Speaker 2>and you're talking to the salesperson who is selling you

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<v Speaker 2>the casket, and there you are having just lost someone,

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<v Speaker 2>a family member.

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<v Speaker 1>Talk about vulnerability. You really want to honor your mother,

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<v Speaker 1>don't you? Yes? And here's how you honor your mother.

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<v Speaker 2>You buy the eight thousand dollars casket instead of the

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<v Speaker 2>four thousand dollars casket. You okay, okay, okay? And the

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<v Speaker 2>vulnerable aspects of that are incredible. Can you imagine how

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<v Speaker 2>you want a child? This is in many cases the

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<v Speaker 2>last shot of having a child and or a child

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<v Speaker 2>with biological connection, because of course, now with surrogacy, with

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<v Speaker 2>IVF and egg donation and sperm donation, you have couples

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<v Speaker 2>that want to create a baby with some genetic component

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<v Speaker 2>of the parents. And that's a huge, huge number of people,

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<v Speaker 2>that's in the hundreds of thousands. And what ends up

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<v Speaker 2>happening is that the money, if it's done correctly, has

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<v Speaker 2>to be put up in front.

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<v Speaker 1>It has to be paid upfront.

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<v Speaker 2>Why well, because the surrogant mother gets pregnant, as you know,

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<v Speaker 2>and is delivering a baby and what happens if the

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<v Speaker 2>parents die, What happens if they go bankrupt, what happens

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<v Speaker 2>if they change their mind? Everybody is frightened about surrogate

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<v Speaker 2>mothers changing their mind. More parents have changed their minds

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<v Speaker 2>than surrogate mothers. Let's say a child is born that's

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<v Speaker 2>going to be anomaloust. You have a child that is

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<v Speaker 2>born with some severe or going to have some severe

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<v Speaker 2>medical issues, and the surrogate mother, and if we've had

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<v Speaker 2>these say I'm not aborting. There's just not going to

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<v Speaker 2>be an abortion, and the couples understand that, and they

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<v Speaker 2>accept that, except when it happens then all of a

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<v Speaker 2>sudden and they.

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<v Speaker 1>Walk out the door. They walk out the door.

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<v Speaker 2>I've had one of those in the thirty five years

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<v Speaker 2>that I did this, and so obviously I took a

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<v Speaker 2>big interest in this. And I had this conversation a

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<v Speaker 2>couple of days ago with a friend of mine who

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<v Speaker 2>is a lawyer and is one of the premier lawyers

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<v Speaker 2>in the field, and she and I were talking about

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<v Speaker 2>this topic. I mean, you talk about a coincidence and

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<v Speaker 2>it has to do with just a whole raft of

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<v Speaker 2>cases being filed against surrogacy agencies because while the owners

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<v Speaker 2>took the money. And you know it happens all the

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<v Speaker 2>time when owners are you know, when you have business

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<v Speaker 2>owners that hold onto money or charge or you have accounts,

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<v Speaker 2>governmental accounts that embezzlement, et cetera. With the point of

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<v Speaker 2>this is surroget parenting has been around. Well, I started

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<v Speaker 2>in nineteen eighty imagine going back that far. And as

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<v Speaker 2>I said in the previous segment, when I started, it

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<v Speaker 2>was whether.

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<v Speaker 1>There were two of us, literally two lawyers.

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<v Speaker 2>In the world that we're doing this, and what ended

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<v Speaker 2>up happening to pay the surrogate to protect the surrogate mother.

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<v Speaker 2>Even though I represent the parents, the surrogate mother had

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<v Speaker 2>to be protected. You know what if the parents get

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<v Speaker 2>hit by a truck. I mean, she's pregnant and good

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<v Speaker 2>deliver a child and it's not her child. It's not

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<v Speaker 2>as if she wants to keep the baby. She's doing

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<v Speaker 2>this for someone else. So how do you protect the

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<v Speaker 2>surrogate at least financially, Well, the money goes into a

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<v Speaker 2>trust account, and in those days we didn't do an

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<v Speaker 2>escrow account. Eventually we had some laws passed that says

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<v Speaker 2>the money has to be protected, but still there really

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<v Speaker 2>is no protection. This is one of the big holes

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<v Speaker 2>in the world of surrogacy which allows these surrogacy agencies

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<v Speaker 2>and now there are hundreds of them to hold on

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<v Speaker 2>to the money and basically keep it, spend it on

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<v Speaker 2>personal items for the owners. Even escrow companies, and I

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<v Speaker 2>put that in quotes. Escro company are not regulated the

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<v Speaker 2>way they should be. And so let me give you

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<v Speaker 2>a scenario. This is very handlesque in terms of what

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<v Speaker 2>I would do with potential clients. We'd sit down and

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<v Speaker 2>have that first conversation and I would go through the

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<v Speaker 2>law as it existed and talked about how it really

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<v Speaker 2>was the Wild West. And then I said, and I

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<v Speaker 2>need all of the money for all medical and the

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<v Speaker 2>payment of surrogate and her attorney and all of her

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<v Speaker 2>expenses and the amount of renumerations she's going to get.

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<v Speaker 2>I need it all up front and put into my account,

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<v Speaker 2>my trust account. And inevitably they would say how much

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<v Speaker 2>is it? And I'd go one hundred thousand dollars and

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<v Speaker 2>I would get an answer or a question like one

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<v Speaker 2>hundred thousand dollars and you want us to put one

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<v Speaker 2>hundred thousand dollars in your trust account to begin this

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<v Speaker 2>process I said absolutely, So you know, we don't even

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<v Speaker 2>know you, and I would say it's way worse than that.

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<v Speaker 2>Believe me, and I'll tell you why it's way worse

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<v Speaker 2>than that. I happen to be have been born in Brazil,

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<v Speaker 2>and I am a Brazilian citizen in addition to being

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<v Speaker 2>an American citizen, and I have family in Brazil, and

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<v Speaker 2>I speak Portuguese. And if I clean out my trust

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<v Speaker 2>account and take the money to Brazil, there is no

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<v Speaker 2>extradition treaty between Brazil and the United States for financial crimes.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm sitting on the beach in Rio with your money,

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<v Speaker 2>having the time of my life.

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<v Speaker 1>Now write the check, and they did.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the reverse cell, by the way, And so they

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<v Speaker 2>thought that was so outrageous. But the point is is

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<v Speaker 2>that obviously I've never had a problem because I've certainly

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<v Speaker 2>never taken money out of my trust account and embezzled

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<v Speaker 2>money from clients. Well maybe other clients, but certainly not

0:20:04.520 --> 0:20:08.239
<v Speaker 2>my surrogacy clients. And it was it's you know, it

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<v Speaker 2>was so wild West at that time and it still is. Finally,

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<v Speaker 2>my contract went up to the Supreme Court, and here

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<v Speaker 2>I am bragging a little bit but it took I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know how many years before the court accepted the

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<v Speaker 2>premise of surrogacy, and that is the intended parents are

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<v Speaker 2>the parents of the child because we have such technology

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<v Speaker 2>out there between sperm donation. When I taught third party

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<v Speaker 2>reproductive law and my first seminar, the first day of class,

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<v Speaker 2>I would say, okay, let me ask you something. Who's

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<v Speaker 2>mom and dad? And people would raise their hands. Well

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<v Speaker 2>with my parents, I go, okay, let me give you

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<v Speaker 2>five scenarios of mom and dad and you tell me

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<v Speaker 2>which one is correct.

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<v Speaker 1>You got adoptive mom and dad. Okay, that's one.

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<v Speaker 2>You have a dad using his sperm, but donor sperm

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<v Speaker 2>and mom.

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<v Speaker 1>Creates the child who is genetically connected? Whose dad?

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<v Speaker 2>Now, certainly we know mom is mom, But is sperm

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<v Speaker 2>donor dad? Or is the intended father dad? Well, the

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<v Speaker 2>law covers that sperm donor is not dad.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>How about in vitro fertilization, when you're using an egg donor,

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<v Speaker 2>who's mom.

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<v Speaker 1>Is it the donor's egg?

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<v Speaker 3>Is she mom?

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<v Speaker 2>Or the woman who just states the baby? And who

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<v Speaker 2>is the intended parents? And that's the way I always

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<v Speaker 2>started the class because the law was it was so crazy,

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<v Speaker 2>and even though most of it has calmed down where

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<v Speaker 2>now the contract was upheld by the California Supreme Court

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<v Speaker 2>saying that the intended parents pursue it to a contract

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<v Speaker 2>are in fact the parents of the child.

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<v Speaker 1>But that's California. Are states all over. This is not

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<v Speaker 1>regulated federally.

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<v Speaker 2>One time a federal bill was introduced, and that was

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<v Speaker 2>by Henry Hyde. You've heard of the High Amendment. Well,

0:22:11.560 --> 0:22:14.800
<v Speaker 2>you can't use federal money for abortions. That was Henry Hyde,

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<v Speaker 2>and he introduced a bill to make what I did

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<v Speaker 2>a federal felony. And thank goodness, there were some logical

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<v Speaker 2>people on that subcommittee that said, hey, this is a

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<v Speaker 2>state issue. You know, can't you can't you know, abortion, adoption, marriage, divorce,

0:22:33.800 --> 0:22:36.480
<v Speaker 2>parenting is a state issue. The Feds don't get involved

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<v Speaker 2>in this. And that disappeared, thank goodness. So the point

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<v Speaker 2>is it still is unregulated in so many ways as

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<v Speaker 2>it was when I started. And you know how many

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<v Speaker 2>years ago, what nineteen eighty to now? Is that forty

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<v Speaker 2>five years?

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<v Speaker 1>Wow? Am I getting old?

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<v Speaker 2>Neil? You're getting old too? Except you look, as you say,

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<v Speaker 2>you look worse than I did.

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<v Speaker 1>Is that right? You still look worse than I do. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll tell your face that that's right. Okay, all right,

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<v Speaker 1>we're done with that.

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<v Speaker 2>Obviously my wheelhouse, and obviously I'm still exercised over all

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<v Speaker 2>this and engaged in a big, big way, even though

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<v Speaker 2>I have not been involved for five years. All right,

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<v Speaker 2>KF I am six forty.

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