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Speaker 1: The following takes place between six pm and seven pm.

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Speaker 2: You want answers. I think I'm entitled. You answer the truth.

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Speaker 2: You can't handle the truth. Truth, the truth.

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Speaker 3: Hi, Hello, Welcome in Sports Talk seven hundred wl W.

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Speaker 4: My name is Austin Elmore.

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Speaker 3: I'm in for Lance McAllister tonight and happy to be

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Speaker 3: with you for the next three hours. We've got a

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Speaker 3: lot to talk about, including what's going on with the

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Speaker 3: Cincinnati Reds, the latest on Hunter Green. You'll hear from

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Speaker 3: that just under an hour from now. The man who

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Speaker 3: just finished calling the game for the Reds, Tommy Thrall's

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Speaker 3: gonna join me at the top of the second hour

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Speaker 3: at eight thirty five tonight. The center of the college

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Speaker 3: basketball universe is on Athens, Ohio tonight, as the Miami

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Speaker 3: RedHawks look to complete the per regular season. They're taking

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Speaker 3: on the Ohio Bobcats in Athens in the Battle of

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Speaker 3: the Bricks. The best rivalry in the MAC adds a

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Speaker 3: chapter tonight. It's been a long time since Miami has

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Speaker 3: won a game in Athens. They'll have to do that

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Speaker 3: to complete the perfect regular season. That comes up at

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Speaker 3: eight thirty five after the six thirty News, Coming up,

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Speaker 3: we'll talk to Jeff Hobson, senior writer for Bengals dot Com.

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Speaker 3: Jeff wrote some stuff earlier this offseason about how the

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Speaker 3: Bengals have changed their approach and changed parts of their

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Speaker 3: personnel department, and he also wrote today about the plan

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Speaker 3: for free agency, and that's where I want to start.

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Speaker 4: Tonight.

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Speaker 3: We'll get to the sports headlines. We'll get you the

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Speaker 3: latest in the sports world, including the big college basketball weekend.

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Speaker 3: FC Cincinnati in the national spotlight this weekend. We've got

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Speaker 3: NFL news happening with cap casualties and trade all over

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Speaker 3: the place, including a couple of former Bengals that were cut.

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Speaker 4: Today.

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Speaker 3: We've got a Lakota West product who retired. We're gonna

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Speaker 3: get to all of that, but I do want to

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Speaker 3: start with the Bengals and how the Bengals could actually

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Speaker 3: learn something from the Reds when it comes to team building.

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Speaker 3: And I know how ridiculous that actually sounds, because when

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Speaker 3: you consider the last I don't know, twenty or thirty years,

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Speaker 3: the Bengals have been heads and shoulders above the Reds

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Speaker 3: when it comes to putting a competitive product on the field.

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Speaker 3: But the Reds I think have done something right this offseason,

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Speaker 3: which is they understand the window that they have, the

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Speaker 3: situation that they are in, and they have operated with

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Speaker 3: a sense of urgency to go after a Kyle Schwarber

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Speaker 3: even though they didn't get him, to pivot to an

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Speaker 3: Auhaneo Suarez, to invest heavily in the bullpen, and to

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Speaker 3: put the right pieces around this young core. They have

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Speaker 3: supplemented the good young players with the right veterans. It

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Speaker 3: feels like to me that the Reds know their window

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Speaker 3: and know that there's probably not going to be baseball

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Speaker 3: next year, and you only get Elie de la Cruz

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Speaker 3: for a certain amount of time, and who knows what

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Speaker 3: the future holds for the rest of these guys. Now

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Speaker 3: is the window we have to operate with urgency, and

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Speaker 3: the feeling of urgency has been reflected in the moves

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Speaker 3: that have been made by the Cincinnati Reds this offseason.

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Speaker 3: And there is no better example for the Bengals than

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Speaker 3: what the Reds have done. The Bengals are in the

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Speaker 3: exact same situation. What more could you ask for? You've

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Speaker 3: got the best quarterback in the National Football League, the

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Speaker 3: best wide receiver in the National Football League, You've got

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Speaker 3: tons and tons and tons of money to spend and

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Speaker 3: available to you in the salary cap. Now is the

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Speaker 3: time to operate with urgency. And I say all of

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Speaker 3: this because, in case you don't know, coming up on

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Speaker 3: Monday at noon, that's the beginning of the legal tampering

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Speaker 3: period in the NFL, and by Wednesday at four o'clock,

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Speaker 3: free agency officially begins. This is once again the most

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Speaker 3: important off season in the history of this Bengals franchise,

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Speaker 3: and it is this off season in which they need

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Speaker 3: to operate with urgency. A lot of comparisons have been

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Speaker 3: made to the twenty one and twenty two off seasons

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Speaker 3: as the off seasons where the Bengals started to get

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Speaker 3: some things right, where they started to operate with urgency.

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Speaker 3: You can even look after twenty nineteen when they were horrible, they.

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Speaker 4: Made some moves.

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Speaker 3: They still weren't great in twenty twenty and they had

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Speaker 3: the COVID year and it was Burrows rookie year, and

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Speaker 3: he got hurt, but they continued to supplement the roster,

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Speaker 3: they continued to spend up into the salary cap and

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Speaker 3: be internal pressure in that building right now because You've

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Speaker 3: now gone three consecutive years without making the postseason. Your

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Speaker 3: quarterback has pondered his football mortality publicly and privately. You

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Speaker 3: are the center of national conversations about will the Bengals

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Speaker 3: screw up Joe Burrow. I've said this down the Hall

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Speaker 3: on my show on ESPN fifteen thirty with Tony Pike,

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Speaker 3: that I think if the Bengals are to screw up

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Speaker 3: screwed up the Carson Palmer era, that would do irreparable

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Speaker 3: damage to the Bengals fan base. It would do irreparable

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Speaker 3: damage to the franchise. I don't know really if they

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Speaker 3: But it's one thing to say you understand, it's another

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Speaker 3: thing to show you understand. And the Bengals so desperately

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Speaker 3: this offseason need to operate with urgency. And operating with

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Speaker 3: urgency doesn't just mean that you sign an edge rusher

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Speaker 3: a day. Urgency means you're swinging for some of the

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Speaker 3: best available free agents. Urgency means you're filling out multiple

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Speaker 3: a veteran linebacker to help those young guys who had

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Speaker 3: no idea what they were doing a year ago. That

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Speaker 3: means you're getting a safety to replace the worst safety

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Speaker 3: depth to your cornerback room. Now full on aggressive moves

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Speaker 3: might mean something closer to restructuring the contract of Joe Burrow.

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Speaker 3: I don't know that the Bengals are necessarily in that position.

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Speaker 3: What they did this week by allowing Trey Hendrickson to walk,

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Speaker 3: number one, was the right move, and number two, it

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Speaker 3: creates fewer and fewer excuses for them not to spend

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Speaker 3: have to fix this defense. And so all of a sudden,

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Speaker 3: NFL New year. But it's basically going to be Wednesday,

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Speaker 3: basically going to be Monday, he said, stuttering, And all

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Speaker 4: It's all happening right now.

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Speaker 3: I feel like this offseason has gone so quickly already

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Speaker 3: for this team. And there's been a lot of talk,

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Speaker 3: and there's been a lot of talking years past. I

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Speaker 3: don't know that you could say they've operated with urgency

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Speaker 3: probably should be in the crosshairs a little bit more,

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Speaker 3: Duke Tobin. I thought it was interesting at the end

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Speaker 3: end of this past season, the Bengals released a statement

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Speaker 3: and Mike Brown released a statement saying we're not gonna

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Speaker 3: it's deniable. I think it is undeniable that Mike Brown

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Speaker 3: that's not always worked. But he has been, at least recently,

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Speaker 3: Bengals personnel department has changed. It has adapted. They've added

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Speaker 3: Duke Tobin understands the pressure that the fan base in

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Speaker 3: at number ten in the draft, Duke Tobin has to

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Speaker 3: operate with urgency as well. You can't take another Shamar Stewart.

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Speaker 3: built twenty four Bengals teams. They have produced a winning

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Speaker 3: Tito Francona ain't getting any younger, Elie de la Cruz

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Speaker 4: We've got this young coreps.

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Speaker 3: We're not gonna be able to afford every single one

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Speaker 3: because if you go another season and this falls off

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Speaker 3: well things are going to go south really quickly and

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Speaker 3: As I said earlier, and I mean it, there will

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Speaker 3: be irreparable damage done to this franchise if that's the case.

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Speaker 3: But I want to know, and this is what I'm

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Speaker 3: going to ask Jeff Hopson. What are the Bengals doing

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Speaker 3: differently so that they get more hits when they swing

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Speaker 3: missing as of late. There's been some times where they're

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Speaker 3: to have more information and a better chance to hit

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Speaker 3: what I want to know, because Lord knows, we can't

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Speaker 3: afford another losing season. We can't afford another missed postseason

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Speaker 3: Welcome back in Sports Talk seven hundred WLW. My name

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Speaker 3: is Austin Elmore. I'm in for Lance McAllister tonight and

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Speaker 3: focusing on the Bengals in our number one We'll get

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Speaker 3: of months ago, Jeff Hobson, the great writer from Bengals

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Speaker 4: Now, Jeff Hobson, how you doing.

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Speaker 5: Great to be with you, Austin. Thank you for having

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Speaker 3: I know you're gonna be excited for opening Day. I'm

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Speaker 3: sure you'll, uh you'll be down there watching your Red Sox.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, let's let's go to the personnel department. They've

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Speaker 3: What is different about the Bengals personnel department this year

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, I think they added uh, well, for

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Speaker 5: He's also working with Tyler Gross, who's the head of

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Speaker 5: was just talking to Tyler the other day. They're talking about,

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Speaker 5: So I take what really to make a long story short,

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Speaker 5: they've made the thing more efficient, they've taken more off

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Speaker 3: What do you think the reason is for that? Why

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Speaker 5: Well, I don't think it's something that woke up and

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Speaker 5: Of it's with Sam Francis, and I think they said,

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Speaker 3: of expected that to be the move, but it was

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Speaker 3: still a possibility, and even Duke Tobin said he wouldn't

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Speaker 5: I'm not sure that Bengals look at bad that. You know,

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Speaker 5: They have high Rey guide for him, and he brought

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Speaker 5: And I think, you know, they've got to you know

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Speaker 3: Let's go back to last week at the scouting combine.

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Speaker 3: We heard from Zach, we heard from Duke. What did

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Speaker 5: Well, I think they go hand in hand. Austin, I think,

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Speaker 5: if something happens in free agency they get a corner

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Speaker 5: Uh, that's the sense I got. The draft and free

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Speaker 4: And you you kind.

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Speaker 5: Oh yeah, well yeah, thanks for reading the story. I

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Speaker 5: do think they're looking at that because that's what they

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Speaker 5: exactly that, And if you remember how they did it,

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Speaker 6: And you can't.

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Speaker 5: And then again that's why it would have been tough

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Speaker 5: You know, remember the last game at twenty twenty, the

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Speaker 5: Well you remember how this Pagals defense finished last day games.

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Speaker 4: Nobody likes losing. You're in the building every day.

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Speaker 5: Listen, I you know, I go to work with these

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Speaker 5: a pro, right you're a pro. I feel like I'm

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Speaker 5: a pro. And that's exactly what those guys feel every day.

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Speaker 5: It's urgency, right, you had urgency preparing today, right, so

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Speaker 5: and I you know so and I think it's the

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Speaker 5: same thing.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well said, uh and uh it's a it's a

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Speaker 3: good way to uh to put it. Before I let

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Speaker 3: you go, Jeff, you're working on a golf outing, a fundraiser.

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Speaker 3: Tell us about this, what you're work looking on and

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Speaker 3: how people can get involved.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, thank you very much Austin for doing it. You're

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Speaker 5: certainly invited to this, right what Uh the second annual

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Speaker 5: Jack Jack Hawkson Memorial Golf Classics we're raising money for

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Speaker 5: the Children's High Foundation. My grandson, Jack Hodson, named after

446
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Speaker 5: Jackie Robinson. UH die after twenty nine days. You never

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Speaker 5: get out of the hospital. He had a congenital hype

448
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Speaker 5: defect his UH his eight orders were switched at first,

449
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Speaker 5: and it wasn't picked up. You know, it wasn't discovered

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Speaker 5: through UH tests and through UH you know what those

451
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Speaker 5: those penatal tests that should have picked it up. It wasn't.

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Speaker 5: He wasn't picked up. And we're doing this for research

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Speaker 5: for awareness. You know, if there's anybody in your family

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Speaker 5: who's got you know, has some kind of high disease

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Speaker 5: and you know you're expecting a child, get those you know,

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Speaker 5: get those texts, go to the XBI. And so we're

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Speaker 5: the Bengals have been good enough for the second straight year.

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Speaker 5: They're them. They have a Hall of Fame sponsor. Can't

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Speaker 5: thank them enough. If you don't sign anybody a free agency,

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Speaker 5: blame the jack maybe, but they they've been They've been

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Speaker 5: so kind to start us going and get us rolling again.

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Speaker 5: We got rained out last year. We're still raised a

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Speaker 5: lot of money. We're gonna come back. We're gonna come

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Speaker 5: back bigger and better. This year, but we're looking for golfers. Uh,

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Speaker 5: it's gonna be a fun day we're gonna have. There'll

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Speaker 5: there'll be some Bengals play. It's May fifteenth, Legendary Run.

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Speaker 5: May fifteenth, eighty m shotguns start May fifteenth Legendary Run.

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Speaker 5: Beautiful golf course on the East Side at Cincinnati, May fifteenth.

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Speaker 5: Gonna have some Bengals players there and Bengal alumni. I'm

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Speaker 5: gonna be in that group with Louis Breeden and David Pulcher.

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Speaker 5: Him Breach came by. Hope he's back and you know,

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Speaker 5: if you want to find out more about it. Signed up.

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Speaker 5: Jack Hobson, God Love Slash Golf, Jack.

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Speaker 4: Hobson Dot Love Slash Golf, God.

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Speaker 5: You can Registrate, you can read about Jack, you can

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Speaker 5: read about Jack's story.

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Speaker 4: That is great stuff.

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Speaker 3: Jeff can't wait for that May fifteenth Legendary Run, the

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Speaker 3: Jack Hobson Memorial Golf Classic. That's a great stuff, great cause. Jeff,

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Speaker 3: thanks so much, and we'll make sure to spread the word.

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Speaker 4: Thank you.

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Speaker 5: We can't thank you for love to see you out there.

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Speaker 5: And now I hope to talk to you about the

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Speaker 5: Red Sox and the Red Sometimes.

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Speaker 3: All right, we'll make that happen. Thanks bunch. You have

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Speaker 3: a great weekend.

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Speaker 5: Thanks much, Austin, have a good weekend, good show, good show,

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Speaker 5: keep up the good word.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, I appreciate it. That is Jeff Hoopson from

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Speaker 3: Bengals dot Com. Love that guy, and yeah go check

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Speaker 3: it out the Jack Hobson Memorial Golf Classic coming up

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Speaker 3: in May. We'll take a break for the news. We'll

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Speaker 3: come back. Tommy Thrall joins me after that. This is

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Speaker 3: seven hundred WLW.

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Speaker 1: The following takes place between seven pm and eight pm.

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Speaker 3: Hi, Hello, welcome in our number two sports talk on

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Speaker 3: a Friday night, seven hundred wl W. My name's Austin

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Speaker 3: Elmore in for Lance McAllister Tonight. Happy to be here.

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Speaker 3: One hour down, two to go. We were all Bengals

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Speaker 3: in our number one. We'll shift back to the Reds

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Speaker 3: now here in hour number two and start the hour

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Speaker 3: by talking to the voice of the Reds, Tommy Thrall,

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Speaker 3: joining us now from Arizona, fresh off of the broadcast

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Speaker 3: earlier this afternoon. Tommy joins us. Hi, Tommy, how are

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Speaker 3: you hey?

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Speaker 2: What's up Austin. I'm great, I'm enjoying Arizona's favorite Spring

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Speaker 2: training past time sitting in traffic.

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Speaker 3: Oh yes, it's a big deal out there in the

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Speaker 3: Cactus League. So no better way to pass the time

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Speaker 3: than talk to me. I suppose let's start with, right,

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Speaker 3: Matt McLean I feel like Matt McClean is kind of

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Speaker 3: the story of camp. We'll get the Hunter Green in

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Speaker 3: just a little bit. What is it about Matt McLane

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Speaker 3: that has led to this resurgence that we've seen through

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Speaker 3: the first couple of weeks of camp.

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Speaker 2: Do you think, well, yeah, he understood what he was

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Speaker 2: struggling with last year. That was the pitch down in

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Speaker 2: the way. He's doing a better job of getting to

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Speaker 2: that pitch. And he started off camp by just going

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Speaker 2: the other way. I mean, I remember his first game.

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Speaker 2: Every ball you hit was to the right side of

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Speaker 2: second base. I think that was a little bit by

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Speaker 2: design that it's something that he's trying to work on.

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Speaker 2: If he can go the other way, he's going to

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Speaker 2: be able to pull the ball with authority, and then

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Speaker 2: you know, earlier, I guess it was last week, he

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Speaker 2: pulls the ball out for a home run, and then

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Speaker 2: he took another ball the other way for a home run,

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Speaker 2: so he's doing the things that good hitters do. But again,

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Speaker 2: it's that season where you always have to remember it's

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Speaker 2: just practice and none of it until the bell rings

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Speaker 2: on opening day. But you can certainly be encouraged by

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Speaker 2: some of the things you've seen from McLean, that's for sure.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I've always wonder about that because I always struggle

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Speaker 3: with it, and you guys are out there every day.

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Speaker 3: How do you balance kind of putting it in the

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Speaker 3: bucket of yeah, this is a good thing that's happening,

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Speaker 3: and it's also just spring training, Like what are the

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Speaker 3: things you look for that are like, Okay, this is

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Speaker 3: a real tangible change that can carry through into the

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Speaker 3: regular season.

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Speaker 2: I think one of the things you have to look

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Speaker 2: at is, first of all, who are guys having success against.

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Speaker 2: Are they having success against teams frontline pitchers, or are

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Speaker 2: they having success against minor leaguers. If they're having success

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Speaker 2: against big league pictures, you go, okay, well, what kind

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Speaker 2: of pitches is he handling? Is it just fastballs or

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Speaker 2: is he handling breaking balls? Well? Also, and how is

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Speaker 2: he being pitched? So all those are things to try

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Speaker 2: to keep an eye on. But I think at the

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Speaker 2: end of the day. You can also just enjoy when

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Speaker 2: a guy's having success because, let's face it, We've talked

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Speaker 2: about this with Tito and Cowboy and I have talked

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Speaker 2: about in the air too. Baseball is such a game

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Speaker 2: of confidence. When you're having success, it doesn't matter when

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Speaker 2: it is, it's gonna help your confidence. There's a lot

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Speaker 2: of guys that come into spring training confident because as

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Speaker 2: they felt good about the work they put in in

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Speaker 2: the offseason. And maybe that's just off the tee or

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Speaker 2: you know, batting practice in the cage, but things that

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Speaker 2: make you feel good about yourself can sometimes carry over

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Speaker 2: into game situations, and you know that can carry over

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Speaker 2: into the regular season too, if you have the confidence

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Speaker 2: going in to start a season.

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Speaker 3: I think confidence is maybe a good way to describe

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Speaker 3: this team as a whole right now. And maybe it

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Speaker 3: was because of the success of last year and getting

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Speaker 3: to the postseason. So like, yeah, you're confident, we can

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Speaker 3: do it. Now you have to take it to the

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Speaker 3: next step. Is that kind of the vibe? What's been

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Speaker 3: the vibe there in camp? Is this Is it a swagger?

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Speaker 3: Is it a confidence? Is it a focus in the

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Speaker 3: sense of we know that our expectations are higher. How

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Speaker 3: would you describe the vibe so far.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you hit the nail on the head.

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Speaker 2: It's all of those things. They are confident that they

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Speaker 2: also have high expectations for themselves. I don't think there's

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Speaker 2: any level of expectation that fans can put on this

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Speaker 2: team that would be higher than what they have for themselves.

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Speaker 2: They understand that they're a talented group and that if

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Speaker 2: they if they do what they're capable of, then then

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Speaker 2: they're gonna be a really tough team to beat. I

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Speaker 2: mean it starts with the starting pitching that they have

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Speaker 2: so offensively, Yet guys that underperformed last year, and Matt McClain,

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Speaker 2: who brought up first, is exhibit A as far as that's concerned.

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Speaker 2: I said it last year that I didn't think last

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Speaker 2: year would be a good year for him. It wasn't.

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Speaker 2: I don't know that I thought it was going to

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Speaker 2: be as bad as it was. But he struggled. Spencer

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Speaker 2: Steers struggled certainly to start the year because he was

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Speaker 2: still dealing with his own shoulder, but he had a

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Speaker 2: strong second half. I think this year would be a

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Speaker 2: good year for him. And then the guy that I

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Speaker 2: really think is poised to have a monster year as Ellie.

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Speaker 2: I just he's due to break out. It's kind of

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Speaker 2: I don't necessarily want to say make or break because

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Speaker 2: even Ellie not playing up to his potential, is still

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Speaker 2: a really good player. But I think he's got a

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Speaker 2: chance to break out and really be the monster that

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Speaker 2: he's capable of. So if all those three things happen,

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Speaker 2: which I don't think are big stretches, then offensively, this

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Speaker 2: team is going to be in a pretty good spot.

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Speaker 2: And that doesn't even include Suarez. So yeah, there is

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Speaker 2: good reason for this team to have a lot of

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Speaker 2: confidence in themselves. What makes you say that about Ellie?

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Speaker 2: I mean, I know before the Quad last year, he

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Speaker 2: really was a monster. I think it's a great way

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Speaker 2: to describe him. How much of an impact do you

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Speaker 2: think Suarez and maybe even a better McClain has on

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Speaker 2: Ellie maybe from an offensive standpoint, and then key Brian

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Speaker 2: Hayes defensively, How is that all kind of working to

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Speaker 2: help Ellie? Well, yeah, let's start with the last thing

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Speaker 2: you said. I think keep Brian Hayes defensively. He's right

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Speaker 2: next to Ellie. Like that's a perfect example of what

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Speaker 2: is expected of a player from a defensive stat I

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Speaker 2: shouldn't say expected, because nobody can be expected to be

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Speaker 2: as good defensively as key Brian Hayes is. But the

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Speaker 2: competitor in you, you'd hope would look at Hayes if

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Speaker 2: you're Ellie and think, well, I can do that. I

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Speaker 2: want to show that I can be that good defensively,

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Speaker 2: so hopefully that can lift him up a little bit.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if there's a real looming possibility that

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Speaker 2: he could be moved off short if he continues to

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Speaker 2: struggle defensively, but that's got to be kind of in

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Speaker 2: the back of his mind. As much as it's been

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Speaker 2: talked about. I would think that would serve as a

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Speaker 2: pretty good motivation to get better defensively, although if in

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Speaker 2: fact he wants to stay it short. Now, as far

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Speaker 2: as the lineup goes, you mentioned the two guys that

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Speaker 2: will be hitting around him. If McClain has a good year,

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Speaker 2: that's gonna make Ellie better because McClain's going to be

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Speaker 2: on base more. Then you have to pitch to Ellie,

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Speaker 2: especially with Suarez hitting behind him. The ripple effect of

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Speaker 2: those two guys around him, and again I think they

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Speaker 2: play off. They all three play off each other. If

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Speaker 2: Ellie's hitting, well, he's going to be on base more.

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Speaker 2: If he's on base, that the possibility of him stealing

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Speaker 2: second could mean more fastballs for Suarez. That means Suarez

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Speaker 2: could have a big year. So if McLean's on, you

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Speaker 2: got to pitch to Ellie. If Ellie's on, you got

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Speaker 2: to pitch to all this stuff. I mean, so one

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Speaker 2: can certainly help the other. And uh, I think if

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Speaker 2: McLain has a big year, then I think Ellie will

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Speaker 2: definitely have a huge year.

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Speaker 3: From your standpoint, who's turned your head the most in

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Speaker 3: spring training?

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Speaker 2: I think, I mean it's easy to say, but I'm

648
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Speaker 2: encouraged a lot by McLean. I know what I said

649
00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:39,400
Speaker 2: before about you know, you don't you don't want to

650
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Speaker 2: get too excited about spring training results, but I mean

651
00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:47,280
Speaker 2: it's just he's he's been otherworldly. So that's that's pretty

652
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:50,719
Speaker 2: It's you can't. I mean, you can remind yourself five

653
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Speaker 2: times a day. Look, it's just practice, it doesn't matter.

654
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Speaker 2: But it's hard not to get excited when you know

655
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Speaker 2: that the player that he's capable of. And I think

656
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Speaker 2: that's the part that is the most encouraging, but for

657
00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:05,360
Speaker 2: the most part, I mean outside of the bullpen, and

658
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Speaker 2: I would say that's kind of turning heads for the

659
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Speaker 2: wrong reasons because of how much guys have struggled. But

660
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Speaker 2: I think for the most part, the positives are pretty

661
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:16,800
Speaker 2: much what you want to see, and that's encouraging because

662
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:18,520
Speaker 2: we have you already have a pretty good feel for

663
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Speaker 2: what most of these guys are and so it's a

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Speaker 2: little we were talking about on the drive over, it's

665
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Speaker 2: almost boring because it's most of the spots are set,

666
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Speaker 2: there's not a whole lot of battles to be had,

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Speaker 2: and guys for the most part, by and large, are

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Speaker 2: doing what they're supposed to do this time of year. Again,

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Speaker 2: with the exception of maybe the bullpen.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I said that a couple of weeks ago that

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Speaker 3: you know, I hate to say it, but I find

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Speaker 3: them to be the most boring David Baseball, just because

673
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Speaker 3: of a lot of the things that you said. But

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Speaker 3: I do think that, you know, with the Hunter Green injury,

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Speaker 3: there's a big opportunity for Rhet Louder, who maybe is

676
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Speaker 3: above expectations to this point in spring training. What have

677
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Speaker 3: we seen from Rhet Louder that has provided him the

678
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Speaker 3: success he's had to this point.

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Speaker 2: His little taste of the big leagues has kind of

680
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Speaker 2: set him up for some unfair met I don't know,

681
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Speaker 2: maybe they're not unfair expectations, but I think the world

682
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Speaker 2: of that guy, So my expectations for him are really high.

683
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Speaker 2: He's a guy that's always commanded the zone and he's

684
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Speaker 2: he just knows how to pitch. I didn't really think

685
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Speaker 2: that the injury would derail that too much. The question

686
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Speaker 2: is do you have a spot in your rotation for him?

687
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Speaker 2: I would think you're going to now, and I think

688
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Speaker 2: there was a path to have a spot for him

689
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Speaker 2: in the rotation even if Hunter didn't get hurt. So

690
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Speaker 2: he just he knows how to pitch, and and that's

691
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Speaker 2: the thing that to me is the most impressive thing

692
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Speaker 2: about him. He didn't seem to lose his feel for

693
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Speaker 2: pitching at all during his recovery from the injuries, so

694
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Speaker 2: he still looks spectacular. That's that's been really fun to see.

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Speaker 8: I did.

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Speaker 2: I do think Brandon Williamson's a guy that kind of

697
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Speaker 2: stands out a little bit too, because I think the

698
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Speaker 2: ball's coming out really well. For him. Uh, He's maybe

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Speaker 2: one that I would put in the category of perhaps

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Speaker 2: exceeding expectations to this point.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's an interesting point, especially with with the depth.

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Speaker 3: Let me finish by asking you about Hunter. Has there

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Speaker 3: been any news? What's the latest? Uh? What do we

704
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Speaker 3: know about Hunter Green in the possible timelineer scenarios to

705
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Speaker 3: this point?

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Speaker 2: If anything, I still think we're going to be in

707
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Speaker 2: a holding pattern until he goes out to California to

708
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Speaker 2: get the second opinion from Ella Trash. So once once

709
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Speaker 2: he has that, we'll probably know more. Tito said again today,

710
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Speaker 2: it'll probably be Tuesday before we know anything. You know.

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Speaker 2: The hope is that they don't they don't find anything significant.

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Speaker 2: It's just a little sourus and he can pitch through it,

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Speaker 2: so we'll we'll see what happens. But yeah, I just uh,

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Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm cautiously optimistic, I guess is the

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Speaker 2: best way I can put it.

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Speaker 3: Sure, Yeah, no doubt about it. Well, Tommy, I appreciate

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Speaker 3: the time. I know it's been a busy day and

718
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Speaker 3: a lot going on out there. What is a Friday

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Speaker 3: in Arizona for the Voice of the reds Entail.

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Speaker 2: Uh, not a whole lot. I gotta go run a

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Speaker 2: couple errands. I gotta I think I gotta go make

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Speaker 2: him with a target run and then go pick up

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Speaker 2: my wife from the airport.

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Speaker 4: Okay, all right, well there you go.

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Speaker 2: That's a big, big by tonight.

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Speaker 3: That's exciting stuff. Tommy, thanks so much, man, really appreciate it, alright,

727
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Speaker 3: ascause Tommy Thrall the voice of the Reds in a

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Speaker 3: in a car, presumably with David Armbrewster and the Cowboy

729
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Speaker 3: God bless him for taking some time to talk with us.

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Speaker 3: Let's talk a little bit more about the Reds, including

731
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Speaker 3: an update about Hunter Green that I got earlier today.

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Speaker 3: I'll share that with you coming up. This is seven

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Speaker 3: hundred WLW seven hundred wl W I Austin Elmore in

734
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Speaker 3: for Lance McAllister. Red's played earlier today in Scottsdale up

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Speaker 3: against the Giants, and uh one of the best stadiums.

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Speaker 3: If you've never been to Arizona for spring training, Goodyear

737
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Speaker 3: is awesome. Good Year's worth the trip. They've really built

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Speaker 3: up good Year over the last few years. But Scottsdale,

739
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Speaker 3: where the Giants play, is the best ballpark in the

740
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Speaker 3: Cactus League. It's so awesome and can't recommend it enough.

741
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Speaker 3: Reds fell today to the Giants, six to three. The

742
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Speaker 3: Reds had scored fifty runs going into today's game over

743
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Speaker 3: their last three, but tonight today only scored three. Andrew

744
00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:31,320
Speaker 3: Abbot started for Cincinnati. He went two and two thirds innings,

745
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Speaker 3: gave up five hits, four runs, they were all earned.

746
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Speaker 3: He walked one and struck out five. So far this spring,

747
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Speaker 3: Andrew Abbot, who is now on pace to start on

748
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Speaker 3: Opening Day in place of the injured Hunter Green. So far,

749
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Speaker 3: Andrew Abbott has an ERA of twelve point two seven.

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Speaker 3: Maybe not the best start for Andrew Abbott. How about

751
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Speaker 3: tj Antone, He continues to have a really nice spring.

752
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Speaker 3: He pitched a scoreless did give up a hit, and

753
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Speaker 3: walked about her, but he also got a strikeout and

754
00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:07,600
Speaker 3: did not give up any runs. Sam Mall another left

755
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:10,319
Speaker 3: hander battling for a spot in that Red's bullpen. He

756
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:12,840
Speaker 3: pitched well for the Reds today, a scoreless inning of work.

757
00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:16,760
Speaker 3: Both mal and Antone have yet to surrender a run

758
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Speaker 3: so far in spring training. Tyler Stevenson doubled today. He

759
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:24,240
Speaker 3: had a nice day at the plate. JJ bleda added

760
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:27,600
Speaker 3: another hit. Will Benson was zero for two but did

761
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Speaker 3: have a walk in this game. The big news was

762
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:33,440
Speaker 3: the fact that Blake Dunn left the game with a

763
00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:37,919
Speaker 3: hyper extended left knee. Terry Francona said after the game

764
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Speaker 3: that he feels like they dodged a bullet, but will

765
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Speaker 3: see how Done feels when he wakes up tomorrow morning.

766
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Speaker 3: I know Lance talked about this earlier this week. Blake

767
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Speaker 3: Done is one of those guys who's really changed his

768
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Speaker 3: career the way that the second half of last year

769
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Speaker 3: went in Louisville and how he's reported to spring training

770
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Speaker 3: and been up until this point, He's looked really good.

771
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:02,160
Speaker 3: Dane Meyer, the center fielder who's more than likely going

772
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Speaker 3: to be the main backup to TJ. Friedo and a

773
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Speaker 3: guy who is going to be a part of the

774
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Speaker 3: Reds options to hit against left handed pitching. He had

775
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:12,960
Speaker 3: another good day. He had a hit and a walk.

776
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Speaker 3: He's hitting over four to sixty to start his spring training.

777
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:19,800
Speaker 3: Key Brian Hayes also had a hit. Key Brian Hayes

778
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Speaker 3: is hitting over three hundred to start spring training, and

779
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:26,479
Speaker 3: that's a huge thing. Like you want to talk about

780
00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:29,040
Speaker 3: all the ifs and the things that could go right

781
00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:31,640
Speaker 3: with the Reds. This year, and if they want to

782
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:35,040
Speaker 3: get back to the postseason, and if this guy returns

783
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:38,040
Speaker 3: to his the back of his baseball card, if key

784
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Speaker 3: Brian Hayes can just hit two fifty, that's going to

785
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:44,319
Speaker 3: help this team a lot because he's elite defensively. If

786
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Speaker 3: he can stay healthy with that back issue and just

787
00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:49,960
Speaker 3: hit like two fifty, that would be a huge, huge

788
00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:52,640
Speaker 3: help for this team in a lot of different ways.

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Speaker 3: Noelvie Marte was one for three in the game. He

790
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Speaker 3: did have a strikeout. He struggled a little bit in camp,

791
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Speaker 3: especially out there in the outfield, but that's something to

792
00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:07,840
Speaker 3: keep an eye out on that outfield competition between Benson, Bledet, Marte, Myers,

793
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:11,360
Speaker 3: friedel Steer's gonna get involved out there. That's to me

794
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:15,960
Speaker 3: the most exciting part of this team in spring training.

795
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Speaker 3: The unfortunate news was what happened earlier this week with

796
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:25,000
Speaker 3: Hunter Green. Hunter Green dealing with elbow's stiffness, going to

797
00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:29,359
Speaker 3: see doctor Tim Krimchek. Today, Hunter was back in Cincinnati

798
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Speaker 3: and is about to go out to California to talk

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Speaker 3: to doctor Neil Elatrosh, one of the best elbow surgeons

800
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Speaker 3: and elbow doctors in the world. To get a second

801
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Speaker 3: opinion there as well, and then determine the next steps.

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Speaker 3: Earlier today, I hosted Sincy three to sixty Down in

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Speaker 3: the Hall on ESPN fifteen thirty, and I talked to

804
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Speaker 3: Charlie Goldsmith. Charlie is the one who reported a lot

805
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Speaker 3: of this, including the injection that Hunter got in his

806
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Speaker 3: elbow in October. Charlie gave me the full timeline earlier today.

807
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Speaker 3: I'm gonna share that with you next right here on

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Speaker 3: Sports Talk seven hundred WLW on a Friday night, seven

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Speaker 3: hundred WLW.

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Speaker 4: My name is Austin Elmore.

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Speaker 3: One hour from right now, Paul Fritzner from the Rebound

812
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:15,800
Speaker 3: Rundown podcast will join me to talk some college hoops,

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Speaker 3: including the Battle of the Bricks happening at nine o'clock

814
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:25,480
Speaker 3: tonight in Athens, Ohio between Miami and Oh You. More

815
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Speaker 3: on that coming up. Plus, I'm gonna go off the

816
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Speaker 3: beaten path for the first half hour. In the eight

817
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:35,960
Speaker 3: o'clock hour, the best team you've ever seen in person,

818
00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:41,480
Speaker 3: the best sports team you've ever seen play in person. Now,

819
00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:43,160
Speaker 3: for a lot of you, it's going to be nearly

820
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:47,399
Speaker 3: impossible to beat the Big Red Machine. But I want

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Speaker 3: to know five on three seven four nine, seven thousand.

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Speaker 3: We'll get to that at the end of this hour

823
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Speaker 3: and going into the top of the third hour. But

824
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Speaker 3: the story of the week is Hunter Green. Hunter Green

825
00:44:57,560 --> 00:45:02,360
Speaker 3: had elbow stiffness towards the end of last season, pitched

826
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Speaker 3: through it and then got an injection at the end

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Speaker 3: of October and was fine up until about a week

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Speaker 3: before spring training. The stiffness has returned. He came back

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Speaker 3: to Cincinnati today to get an MRI and talk to

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Speaker 3: doctor Krimchek, and now he's going to go to doctor

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Speaker 3: Neil elatrosh Out in California for an opinion from that.

832
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:28,480
Speaker 3: So earlier today I was hosting Sincy three to sixty

833
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Speaker 3: on ESPN fifteen thirty and every Friday we have Charlie

834
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Speaker 3: Goldsmith on, and Charlie is out in Arizona covering the Reds.

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Speaker 3: And as far as I'm concerned, nobody is better at

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Speaker 3: their job than Charlie is at his. And I wanted

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Speaker 3: to know the timeline because I had questions about the

838
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Speaker 3: timeline when it came to Hunter Green, and so I

839
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Speaker 3: asked Charlie, when did the Reds know about Hunter Green's elbow?

840
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Speaker 3: Was it last year or did they just find out.

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Speaker 9: Yes, last September, the Reds and Hunter were we're talking

842
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:05,480
Speaker 9: about this, and it was something that I've heard rumblings

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Speaker 9: of at the time but wasn't in position to report.

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Speaker 9: But that was around kind of a controversy at the time,

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Speaker 9: which was why weren't the red moving Hunter's start day

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Speaker 9: up a day to get him an extra start in

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Speaker 9: the regular season. We know now it was because of

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Speaker 9: this fiffness. Now that's something I understand they got more

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Speaker 9: clarity about in October, which led to Hunter getting an ingestion.

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Speaker 9: The decision was made and I'm using the passive voice

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Speaker 9: for a reason to go with an infection over something

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Speaker 9: that would just completely eliminate it and put it behind you.

853
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:42,839
Speaker 9: With Hunter obviously aiming for being full goat to start

854
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Speaker 9: a spring training, which he thought he was going to be,

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Speaker 9: but then obviously the sort of I did not dissipate.

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Speaker 9: And here we are now waiting more information. But it's concerning,

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Speaker 9: I mean not long term the UGLS clean, but right

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Speaker 9: now for the start of the season, it's concerning.

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Speaker 3: So was there imaging done after last year that revealed

860
00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:04,560
Speaker 3: that the UCO was fine and that there were bone

861
00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:08,080
Speaker 3: spurs and that led to the decision to get the injection.

862
00:47:08,239 --> 00:47:11,480
Speaker 4: Is that what you're saying that, that's how.

863
00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:12,279
Speaker 2: I understand it.

864
00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:17,000
Speaker 9: Obviously Hunter knew about the bone spurs before the soreness

865
00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:19,360
Speaker 9: returned in spring.

866
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:20,840
Speaker 5: That's how I understand the timeline.

867
00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:22,280
Speaker 4: What was the injection?

868
00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:29,880
Speaker 9: I don't know. God, usually PRP I would assume it

869
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:31,960
Speaker 9: wasn't a quarter zone shot, that wouldn't make sense something

870
00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:32,399
Speaker 9: like that.

871
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:35,040
Speaker 3: But I don't have the answer to that, okay, And

872
00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:37,680
Speaker 3: so that kind of that makes the most sense to

873
00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:41,200
Speaker 3: me because I was the most curious about the timeline

874
00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:44,000
Speaker 3: and when the Reds knew and when they didn't, and

875
00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:46,680
Speaker 3: what the decision was made to then, as you said,

876
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:49,160
Speaker 3: kind of let it rest, give it the shot, and

877
00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:52,759
Speaker 3: be ready for spring training. But it came back. And

878
00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:59,719
Speaker 3: so now I guess the question is could they take

879
00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:02,680
Speaker 3: that route again? Is that what they're trying to figure out,

880
00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:05,560
Speaker 3: either to take that same route or to have some

881
00:48:05,640 --> 00:48:08,360
Speaker 3: sort of procedure that's going to take him out for

882
00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:09,520
Speaker 3: an extended amount of time.

883
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:13,719
Speaker 9: Well, I mean, the real answer is the truth is

884
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:15,480
Speaker 9: here that they just don't know.

885
00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:18,080
Speaker 2: And the takeaway.

886
00:48:17,719 --> 00:48:21,040
Speaker 9: From the last week from the Red side, from Green side,

887
00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:26,480
Speaker 9: it's we just need more information because obviously a route

888
00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:30,680
Speaker 9: that would have been ideal wasn't taken in October because

889
00:48:30,719 --> 00:48:33,399
Speaker 9: the sortess returned, you know, they weren't able to really

890
00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:35,960
Speaker 9: put that behind them. So it turned out at the

891
00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:38,040
Speaker 9: end of the day, they just needed more information and

892
00:48:38,040 --> 00:48:41,920
Speaker 9: that's what Hunter's getting now. And again the fact that

893
00:48:41,960 --> 00:48:44,439
Speaker 9: Elatrosha is involved shows that it's something they really feel

894
00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:47,000
Speaker 9: like they need an expert, not that there don't have experts,

895
00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:49,040
Speaker 9: but but Ala Trasha is at the front of elbow

896
00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:51,920
Speaker 9: research in the world, So it's something they really need

897
00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:57,239
Speaker 9: an an expert, expert, expert opinion on because Plan A

898
00:48:57,440 --> 00:48:58,480
Speaker 9: didn't go according.

899
00:48:58,160 --> 00:49:00,880
Speaker 3: To plan I've talked to two different people now that

900
00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:04,320
Speaker 3: have told me that the shelf life for a Tommy

901
00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:08,640
Speaker 3: John surgery is in the six to seven year range. Now,

902
00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:14,120
Speaker 3: you just said that the UCL is intact, and that's

903
00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:16,319
Speaker 3: not something that I guess the Reds are all that

904
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:19,160
Speaker 3: worried about. But Hunter Green did have Tommy John surgery

905
00:49:19,160 --> 00:49:22,080
Speaker 3: in twenty nineteen, which would put us on the timeline

906
00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:24,680
Speaker 3: of maybe this being an issue. Is that a concern

907
00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:28,400
Speaker 3: at all within the organization Tommy John or the UCL

908
00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:31,160
Speaker 3: or the impact that what is currently happening could then

909
00:49:31,320 --> 00:49:32,680
Speaker 3: impact the UCL.

910
00:49:33,840 --> 00:49:36,160
Speaker 9: I don't think so, And it probably depends on your

911
00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:38,560
Speaker 9: Tommy John surgery because then, l everyone's kind of different

912
00:49:39,080 --> 00:49:43,839
Speaker 9: based on how the ligaments whatever I bet I can

913
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:45,400
Speaker 9: come up with if you gave me a minute.

914
00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:46,840
Speaker 2: A lot of examples of guys who.

915
00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:50,480
Speaker 9: Had Tommy John and never worried about it again, that

916
00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:51,520
Speaker 9: could be the case for Hunter.

917
00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:52,000
Speaker 2: Again.

918
00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:55,440
Speaker 9: He felt he felt very confident about his elbow and

919
00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:58,400
Speaker 9: he had more information than he shared with it publicly. Sure,

920
00:49:58,600 --> 00:50:02,040
Speaker 9: so that's not something that is on the forefront of

921
00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:03,319
Speaker 9: my radar right now.

922
00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:08,960
Speaker 3: That was Charlie Goldsmith with me earlier today on ESPN

923
00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:11,919
Speaker 3: fifteen thirty, and I encourage you go on the iHeartRadio

924
00:50:11,960 --> 00:50:16,160
Speaker 3: app wherever you get your podcast and search that since

925
00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:18,759
Speaker 3: he three to sixty Charlie Goldsmith, the whole conversation is

926
00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:22,000
Speaker 3: just marvelous in the way that Charlie covers the reds.

927
00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:25,160
Speaker 3: I'll admit when I first heard this news, I was

928
00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:28,320
Speaker 3: pissed off because it felt like, here we are again

929
00:50:28,520 --> 00:50:32,280
Speaker 3: dealing with another stupid injury that we let linger throughout

930
00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:34,920
Speaker 3: the offseason that is now going to have a negative

931
00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:38,359
Speaker 3: impact on the regular season. This is not the first

932
00:50:38,440 --> 00:50:41,200
Speaker 3: time we've dealt with something like this with the Reds. Hell,

933
00:50:41,320 --> 00:50:43,880
Speaker 3: we just dealt with it a year ago with Spencer Steer.

934
00:50:44,120 --> 00:50:47,000
Speaker 3: He has this mysterious shoulder injury that doesn't get treated

935
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:49,719
Speaker 3: for an entire offseason, and then it screws up the

936
00:50:49,719 --> 00:50:52,520
Speaker 3: first two months of his season, and it screwed up

937
00:50:52,560 --> 00:50:59,960
Speaker 3: the Reds offensively. I don't understand. Listen, I'm not a doctor,

938
00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:02,680
Speaker 3: and far be it from me to tell somebody what

939
00:51:02,760 --> 00:51:05,560
Speaker 3: to do with their body. But this is a billion

940
00:51:05,600 --> 00:51:09,480
Speaker 3: dollar franchise with a multimillion dollar pitcher that is in

941
00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:11,120
Speaker 3: the midst of a window to try to win the

942
00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:14,400
Speaker 3: damn World Series in the next three or four years.

943
00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:19,040
Speaker 3: I have a hard time if you find out when

944
00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:22,359
Speaker 3: you get imaging done that you have bone spurs on

945
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:25,400
Speaker 3: your elbow. I have a hard time understanding that an

946
00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:28,319
Speaker 3: injection and rest over the course of two months is

947
00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:33,440
Speaker 3: going to fix that, And especially when you've had elbow

948
00:51:33,560 --> 00:51:37,759
Speaker 3: issues in the past. And now we've reached a point

949
00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:40,279
Speaker 3: where and you know, we just had Tommy Thrall on

950
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:44,040
Speaker 3: Tommy Thrall said he's cautiously optimistic, and maybe I'm overreacting

951
00:51:44,080 --> 00:51:47,040
Speaker 3: and if that's the case, then okay. But I am

952
00:51:47,160 --> 00:51:49,960
Speaker 3: so sick and tired of dealing with this sort of

953
00:51:50,080 --> 00:51:53,040
Speaker 3: thing for the off season, going into the regular season,

954
00:51:53,040 --> 00:51:56,600
Speaker 3: and affecting the regular season. It's driving me nuts.

955
00:51:57,200 --> 00:51:57,319
Speaker 7: Now.

956
00:51:57,360 --> 00:51:59,759
Speaker 3: I can't speak for Hunter Green. I'm not a big

957
00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:01,920
Speaker 3: time pitcher in the Big League's next pitch I throw

958
00:52:01,960 --> 00:52:04,879
Speaker 3: in the major leagues will be my first. But damn man,

959
00:52:04,920 --> 00:52:06,840
Speaker 3: get it cleaned up and get ready to go for

960
00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:09,680
Speaker 3: the regular season. If you missed the first month of

961
00:52:09,719 --> 00:52:12,440
Speaker 3: the regular season, that's one thing. If you missed the

962
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:19,040
Speaker 3: first four that could tank an entire season. Unfortunately, the

963
00:52:19,239 --> 00:52:23,440
Speaker 3: injuries are a very serious reality and a very serious

964
00:52:23,480 --> 00:52:26,360
Speaker 3: part of Hunter Green's story. And it's frustrating because I

965
00:52:26,440 --> 00:52:28,759
Speaker 3: love the guy. I really do like him. I think

966
00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:31,560
Speaker 3: he's a beast. I think he can be the best

967
00:52:31,600 --> 00:52:34,960
Speaker 3: pitcher in Major League Baseball. But it just feels like

968
00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:37,640
Speaker 3: there's always a setback. Something just gets in the way

969
00:52:38,360 --> 00:52:42,760
Speaker 3: because when he's on, I mean, he's dominant. And maybe

970
00:52:42,760 --> 00:52:45,920
Speaker 3: this helps explain what happened against the Dodgers in the postseason.

971
00:52:46,239 --> 00:52:48,640
Speaker 3: Maybe it helps explain what happened a week or two

972
00:52:48,719 --> 00:52:51,480
Speaker 3: ago when he got shelled by the Milwaukee Brewers. I

973
00:52:51,480 --> 00:52:56,720
Speaker 3: don't know, but I'm not under the cautiously optimistic side

974
00:52:56,719 --> 00:52:59,839
Speaker 3: of this whole thing. I'm frustrated as a Reds fan.

975
00:53:00,040 --> 00:53:01,799
Speaker 3: I assume you are too. Let's go to Mason and

976
00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:02,520
Speaker 3: talk to Ken.

977
00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:03,680
Speaker 2: What up? Ken?

978
00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:08,000
Speaker 7: Hey Austin, I love your show as always, thank you.

979
00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:12,920
Speaker 7: When it comes to Hunter Green, this stuff has been

980
00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:15,719
Speaker 7: going on a long time, and the very things you

981
00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:18,360
Speaker 7: just stated about how can the Reds let.

982
00:53:18,200 --> 00:53:18,600
Speaker 5: This go on?

983
00:53:19,040 --> 00:53:22,360
Speaker 7: To give you a parallel example, Carlos Redon for the

984
00:53:22,440 --> 00:53:27,040
Speaker 7: Yankees had boned spurs on his elbow. They were removed

985
00:53:27,080 --> 00:53:31,960
Speaker 7: in October. He won't be pitching till probably May. Yeah,

986
00:53:32,040 --> 00:53:35,319
Speaker 7: but that's the exact same scenario handled in a completely

987
00:53:35,360 --> 00:53:39,680
Speaker 7: different way. Carlos Pradon will still make twenty eight to

988
00:53:39,719 --> 00:53:46,680
Speaker 7: thirty starts this year. Whereas this thing with Hunter Green Austin,

989
00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:49,480
Speaker 7: my opinions being they're going to have to remove the spurs,

990
00:53:50,280 --> 00:53:52,200
Speaker 7: you know. I don't see how he's going to continue

991
00:53:52,200 --> 00:53:55,239
Speaker 7: to pitch with those spurs, you know, And thank god,

992
00:53:55,239 --> 00:53:59,040
Speaker 7: it sounds like they think it's UCLA. Ucl is intact.

993
00:54:00,239 --> 00:54:03,080
Speaker 7: Outside of that, I mean, and also I'll take a

994
00:54:03,080 --> 00:54:06,040
Speaker 7: little homorage with you about Hunter Green being a great pitcher.

995
00:54:06,680 --> 00:54:11,040
Speaker 7: I think he has great, great, great potential, you know,

996
00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:14,480
Speaker 7: but I think that's always been the case. And I

997
00:54:14,520 --> 00:54:16,680
Speaker 7: think the problem is the kid has never learned how

998
00:54:16,719 --> 00:54:20,000
Speaker 7: to pitch. You know, if you want to use Paul Skiings,

999
00:54:20,360 --> 00:54:23,520
Speaker 7: Paul Skans throws change up to curveballs forty five percent

1000
00:54:23,560 --> 00:54:27,960
Speaker 7: of the time. He throws fastballs less than fifty percent

1001
00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:29,440
Speaker 7: of the time. And as the guy that throws one

1002
00:54:29,480 --> 00:54:32,400
Speaker 7: hundred miles an hour and he works both sides of

1003
00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:37,120
Speaker 7: the plate, Hunter Green has never had great command. You're right.

1004
00:54:37,239 --> 00:54:39,840
Speaker 7: When he is on, he's as good as anybody in

1005
00:54:39,880 --> 00:54:44,600
Speaker 7: the world. Unfortunately, he's just not on that much, you know.

1006
00:54:44,680 --> 00:54:47,560
Speaker 7: And once again now he's gonna miss minimum six seven

1007
00:54:47,600 --> 00:54:50,920
Speaker 7: starts again this year, he's not gonna make thirty five starts.

1008
00:54:51,640 --> 00:54:54,160
Speaker 7: And that's been the Reds problem with their starting rotation.

1009
00:54:54,200 --> 00:54:55,480
Speaker 5: And I've talked to you before.

1010
00:54:55,880 --> 00:54:58,960
Speaker 7: Make got nobody except Singer that's succeeded one hundred and

1011
00:54:59,000 --> 00:55:02,399
Speaker 7: fifty innings. Yeah, I mean, and all these guys are

1012
00:55:02,400 --> 00:55:03,680
Speaker 7: gonna die in August.

1013
00:55:04,560 --> 00:55:07,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, And that's the thing that I'm like most concerned of.

1014
00:55:07,400 --> 00:55:09,320
Speaker 3: And can I'm up against the clock. I do appreciate

1015
00:55:09,320 --> 00:55:12,839
Speaker 3: the phone call and the nice words like, yeah, that's

1016
00:55:12,840 --> 00:55:15,480
Speaker 3: what I'm concerned about, the depth of the starting rotation.

1017
00:55:15,840 --> 00:55:18,040
Speaker 3: I mean, obviously louder is going to be on an

1018
00:55:18,080 --> 00:55:20,759
Speaker 3: innings limit, Burns is probably gonna be on some of

1019
00:55:20,760 --> 00:55:23,680
Speaker 3: an innings limit, Brandon Williamson's going to be on some

1020
00:55:23,719 --> 00:55:26,200
Speaker 3: of an inning's limit, and then it's a pretty steep

1021
00:55:26,320 --> 00:55:29,760
Speaker 3: drop off after that. And you've already got a rotation

1022
00:55:29,840 --> 00:55:32,239
Speaker 3: in which Andrew Abbott has a history of falling off

1023
00:55:32,239 --> 00:55:35,080
Speaker 3: in September and Nicolodolo has battled injuries just as much

1024
00:55:35,120 --> 00:55:37,759
Speaker 3: as Unergreen has. It's the type of thing that can

1025
00:55:37,760 --> 00:55:42,399
Speaker 3: derail a season, and that's just that's a tough pill

1026
00:55:42,440 --> 00:55:45,680
Speaker 3: to swallow. And I don't know who knows what the

1027
00:55:45,800 --> 00:55:48,480
Speaker 3: MRI says today. Who knows what doctor Kremchek says. Who

1028
00:55:48,520 --> 00:55:51,319
Speaker 3: knows what Elatrosha is gonna say? And maybe Hunter Green

1029
00:55:51,440 --> 00:55:54,759
Speaker 3: has the physical toughness to be able to deal with

1030
00:55:54,800 --> 00:55:57,840
Speaker 3: it until he needs to get those bone spurs removed.

1031
00:55:57,880 --> 00:56:02,560
Speaker 3: I don't know, but you're right, consistency from Green has

1032
00:56:02,600 --> 00:56:05,480
Speaker 3: not been a part of his story, unfortunately, and the

1033
00:56:05,520 --> 00:56:08,759
Speaker 3: injuries are and that's a tough pill to swallow, and

1034
00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:11,480
Speaker 3: especially tough pill to swallow when you consider how much

1035
00:56:11,520 --> 00:56:14,160
Speaker 3: of an impact in a negative sense it can have

1036
00:56:14,280 --> 00:56:19,680
Speaker 3: on a season filled with expectations. Is Hunter Green missing

1037
00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:22,120
Speaker 3: three months gonna keep them out of the playoffs?

1038
00:56:22,120 --> 00:56:22,160
Speaker 1: No?

1039
00:56:22,280 --> 00:56:22,719
Speaker 4: Probably not.

1040
00:56:22,760 --> 00:56:25,920
Speaker 3: They've got I think an offense that can keep them

1041
00:56:25,960 --> 00:56:29,080
Speaker 3: in the conversation at least with the additions they've made

1042
00:56:29,080 --> 00:56:32,520
Speaker 3: to this point, and a pitching staff that can maybe

1043
00:56:32,560 --> 00:56:35,520
Speaker 3: bridge the gap until whenever he comes back. There are

1044
00:56:35,600 --> 00:56:37,200
Speaker 3: still a lot of other things that need to be

1045
00:56:37,239 --> 00:56:39,000
Speaker 3: done for this team to get to where they want

1046
00:56:39,000 --> 00:56:41,640
Speaker 3: to go, and they are equipped to do that even

1047
00:56:41,680 --> 00:56:45,480
Speaker 3: without Hunter Green, but it can make it a lot harder,

1048
00:56:45,680 --> 00:56:47,759
Speaker 3: especially in a division that's going to be competitive, and

1049
00:56:47,800 --> 00:56:52,160
Speaker 3: in a in the National League where there's a lot

1050
00:56:52,160 --> 00:56:56,880
Speaker 3: of really good teams. I want to transition into the

1051
00:56:56,920 --> 00:57:01,160
Speaker 3: off the beaten path topic, which is, for me tonight

1052
00:57:01,640 --> 00:57:07,160
Speaker 3: the best team you ever saw play in person. This

1053
00:57:07,360 --> 00:57:11,160
Speaker 3: was brought up on my radar earlier this week. I

1054
00:57:11,560 --> 00:57:15,120
Speaker 3: saw a tweet from an account on social media and

1055
00:57:15,120 --> 00:57:17,880
Speaker 3: by the way, you can follow me at Audielmore. It's

1056
00:57:17,920 --> 00:57:21,600
Speaker 3: a U T y E L m o R on Twitter.

1057
00:57:21,760 --> 00:57:23,800
Speaker 3: If you want to follow me there. I still call

1058
00:57:23,840 --> 00:57:26,080
Speaker 3: it Twitter. I don't know about you, but there's this

1059
00:57:26,560 --> 00:57:30,840
Speaker 3: account called sports Days Past, and as you may have guessed,

1060
00:57:30,880 --> 00:57:34,600
Speaker 3: it's the nostalgic good old days of sports. And they

1061
00:57:34,640 --> 00:57:39,480
Speaker 3: posted a picture of the big Red machine and they said,

1062
00:57:39,480 --> 00:57:42,080
Speaker 3: who is the best sports team you ever saw play

1063
00:57:42,080 --> 00:57:45,520
Speaker 3: in person? Here's mine? I mean, and you look at

1064
00:57:45,520 --> 00:57:51,520
Speaker 3: those names, Concepcio and Geronimo, Bench, Foster, Dreesen, Perez, Morgan, Griffey,

1065
00:57:51,720 --> 00:57:54,600
Speaker 3: Rose and others. I mean, it's hard to beat that.

1066
00:57:54,600 --> 00:57:56,880
Speaker 3: That's the best baseball team ever assembled as far as

1067
00:57:56,920 --> 00:57:59,480
Speaker 3: I'm concerned. But it made me think, and it made

1068
00:57:59,480 --> 00:58:01,040
Speaker 3: me feel like maybe this is a good off the

1069
00:58:01,080 --> 00:58:04,800
Speaker 3: beaten path topic for tonight. Who's the best baseball team

1070
00:58:04,840 --> 00:58:06,840
Speaker 3: you've ever heard? The best sports team doesn't have to

1071
00:58:06,840 --> 00:58:10,080
Speaker 3: be baseball, the best team you've ever seen play in person?

1072
00:58:10,640 --> 00:58:10,840
Speaker 2: Five?

1073
00:58:10,840 --> 00:58:13,800
Speaker 3: One, three, seven, four, nine, seven thousand is the phone number,

1074
00:58:14,200 --> 00:58:16,320
Speaker 3: Dave and Walnut Hills is gonna lead us off?

1075
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Speaker 4: Dave? What do you got?

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Speaker 10: Well, I know your argument is gonna be already if

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Speaker 10: I'm gonna choose them anyway. Okay, the year that the

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Speaker 10: Dallas Cowboys close their old stadium, my family a bunch

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00:58:35,360 --> 00:58:37,600
Speaker 10: of Cowboys fans in my family somehow. But we went

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Speaker 10: down to watch them play the undefeated New England Patriots.

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Speaker 4: Oh you took my thunder.

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Speaker 10: And that is the best team I've ever I they

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Speaker 10: were it was like watching the Harlem Grove Drivers.

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Speaker 2: Man, they were just unbelievable.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 10: I felt lucky to even be there.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and uh, if I'm not mistaken, this was a

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Speaker 3: I'm looking it up right now, forty eight to twenty

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Speaker 3: seven drubbing of the Dallas Cowboys.

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Speaker 4: Is that correct?

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Speaker 2: And that is correct?

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Speaker 10: It was the popcorn game.

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Speaker 4: That's right. Tarall Owens had the popcorn Yeah.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, we got to do a tour and we got

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Speaker 10: to play on the field the next day.

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Speaker 3: It was so cool, man, that is really cool. That

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Speaker 3: was the final year of old Cowboys Stadium.

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Speaker 10: Huh yeah, and they absolutely just bludged. I mean they

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Speaker 10: the score didn't reflect the actual beatdown that they gave.

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Speaker 4: And the Cowboys were good that year too.

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Speaker 10: They were They had a great running game, they had

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Speaker 10: you know, they still had they had the quarterback of course.

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Speaker 3: But so are you are you a Cowboys fan, Dave? Like,

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Speaker 3: how did that come to be? Where you guys went

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Speaker 3: to that.

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Speaker 10: Game because my ex wife's boyfriend is a cowboys fam

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Speaker 10: and one of my kids is a cowboys fam.

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Speaker 4: Did you say your ex wife's boyfriend.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, and one of my kids is a boy is

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Speaker 10: a cowboys fam. And we end up going. There's probably

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Speaker 10: ten or ten to fifteen of us. Then I went,

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Speaker 10: it was absolute blast. We got to I got to

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Speaker 10: meet all them cowboys you know from the.

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Speaker 4: Past, that kind of car he it was.

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Speaker 10: It was you know, then you think back here, don't

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Speaker 10: crap right.

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Speaker 4: Right right, right right?

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Speaker 3: Okay, well, Dave, thank you, thank you for the welcome. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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Speaker 3: Beat that yeah, okay, all right, So Dave kind of

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Speaker 3: stole my thunder because I too got to. Saul got

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Speaker 3: to see the two thousand and seven New England Patriots

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Speaker 3: in person. I'll tell you about that, although I kind

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Speaker 3: of want, you know, if anybody, if you really want

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Speaker 3: to go off the beaten path and continue talking about

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Speaker 3: ex wife's boyfriends, I'm open to those conversations as well,

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Speaker 3: because now, I mean I want to know more about

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Speaker 3: that entire trip to Dallas. Sports Talk on a Friday

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Speaker 3: night seven hundred w l W.

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Speaker 1: The following takes place between eight pm and nine pm.

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Speaker 3: By Hello and welcome in the final hour of sports

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Speaker 3: talk on a Friday night, seven hundred wl W.

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Speaker 4: My name's Austin Elmore.

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Speaker 3: I'm in for Lance McAllister, and I appreciate you being here.

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Speaker 3: An hour from right now, Sterling will take over. He'll

1137
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Speaker 3: take you up to midnight and the atn after that.

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Speaker 3: Thirty minutes from right now, I'm going to be joined

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Speaker 3: by Paul Fritzner, also known as mister college Basketball. There's

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Speaker 3: a lot of college basketball to talk about. We'll talk

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01:01:38,720 --> 01:01:40,440
Speaker 3: to him about it, but right now I want to

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01:01:40,480 --> 01:01:42,640
Speaker 3: go off the beaten path a little bit, as is

1143
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Speaker 3: a final hour tradition on a Friday night, and talk

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01:01:47,600 --> 01:01:52,600
Speaker 3: about the best team you ever saw play in person.

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01:01:53,960 --> 01:01:56,120
Speaker 3: And I thought I would be the only one to

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01:01:56,200 --> 01:01:59,600
Speaker 3: say this team. But our caller, Dave and Walnut Hills,

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01:01:59,600 --> 01:02:02,160
Speaker 3: at the end the last hour, he won up to me.

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Speaker 3: He got one in right at the very end, and

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Speaker 3: he mentioned the two thousand and seven New England Patriots,

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Speaker 3: and it's hard for me to argue with that.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 3: I remember like it was yesterday, October first, two thousand

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01:02:19,240 --> 01:02:23,200
Speaker 3: and seven, the Patriots came to Cincinnati to play on

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01:02:23,240 --> 01:02:27,960
Speaker 3: a Monday night against the Bengals and boy Diday bludgeon

1155
01:02:28,000 --> 01:02:31,960
Speaker 3: the Bengals. I mean, they destroyed Cincinnati that night to

1156
01:02:32,040 --> 01:02:35,439
Speaker 3: go to four and zero. The Bengals lost thirty four

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Speaker 3: to thirteen in that game. It was the coolest experience

1158
01:02:40,040 --> 01:02:41,960
Speaker 3: I'd ever had at a Bengals game prior to that.

1159
01:02:42,120 --> 01:02:46,520
Speaker 3: The atmosphere was just awesome. I mean, Randy Moss went nuts,

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Speaker 3: Tom Brady two hundred and thirty one yards three touchdowns,

1161
01:02:50,360 --> 01:02:54,919
Speaker 3: Sammy Morris ran for one hundred and seventeen yards, Mike

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01:02:55,000 --> 01:02:58,480
Speaker 3: Vrabel caught a touchdown pass that night. Randy Moss had

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01:02:58,560 --> 01:03:02,640
Speaker 3: nine catches for one hundred and twos. Carson Palmer was

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01:03:02,680 --> 01:03:06,320
Speaker 3: not great that night. He threw two interceptions to the

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Speaker 3: Patriot defense, one to Randall Gay and another to Assante Samuel.

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Speaker 3: You look at this two thousand and seven Patriots team.

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01:03:14,800 --> 01:03:18,800
Speaker 3: They were sixteen to zero in the regular season. They

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Speaker 3: went to the Super Bowl and it took maybe the

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01:03:22,880 --> 01:03:26,440
Speaker 3: most iconic play in the history of the Super Bowl

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01:03:27,280 --> 01:03:31,120
Speaker 3: to beat them. And to this day that is still

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01:03:31,200 --> 01:03:34,280
Speaker 3: up for debate whether or not Eli Manning should have

1172
01:03:34,360 --> 01:03:39,560
Speaker 3: been called down in the grasp of the Patriot defender.

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01:03:39,640 --> 01:03:44,560
Speaker 3: It took the most ridiculous helmet catch play ever to

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01:03:44,720 --> 01:03:48,160
Speaker 3: beat the New England Patriots. That night in Glendale, Arizona

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01:03:48,720 --> 01:03:51,800
Speaker 3: against the New York Giants, the biggest upset maybe ever.

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Speaker 3: I think the Patriots are the greatest team never to

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Speaker 3: win a championship. I think the seven Patriots are the

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01:04:01,280 --> 01:04:04,880
Speaker 3: best team that I've ever seen play. I've seen some

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01:04:04,920 --> 01:04:08,040
Speaker 3: really good, you know teams over the years. I've seen

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Speaker 3: multiple Super Bowl winning teams. I got to see, you know, hell,

1181
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Speaker 3: the Dodgers over the last couple of years, Otani and Freeman,

1182
01:04:15,360 --> 01:04:20,240
Speaker 3: and I mean, that group of players is really incredible.

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Speaker 3: You obviously have the big red machine here in Cincinnati.

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Speaker 3: I want to know from you, who's the best team

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01:04:25,960 --> 01:04:29,480
Speaker 3: you ever saw play in person? Five one, three, seven, four, nine,

1186
01:04:29,520 --> 01:04:32,400
Speaker 3: seven thousand. Let's go out to Owensville and let's talk

1187
01:04:32,440 --> 01:04:33,960
Speaker 3: to Richard. What's up, Richard?

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01:04:35,080 --> 01:04:38,440
Speaker 8: Hey man, I've got this the eighty eight and eighty

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Speaker 8: nine Detroit sting.

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Speaker 4: Ooh, that's a good one, man.

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Speaker 7: I mean, it was ridiculous.

1192
01:04:46,000 --> 01:04:49,320
Speaker 2: They were selfless. He had the extra pass.

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Speaker 7: They'd hit somebody that was open and then hit somebody

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01:04:52,760 --> 01:04:56,440
Speaker 7: more wide up and Dennis Rodman.

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Speaker 2: Was normal back then.

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Speaker 4: Daily was the coach, right Johnson.

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Speaker 7: It was cool, you know, I mean, but they were

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Speaker 7: they were fabulous.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a great I mean, those were the bad

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Speaker 3: boy Pistons, right, Chuck Daley as the head coach.

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Speaker 10: Oh yeah, ripping his fans, falling down, I'm.

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Speaker 3: Falling down on the four sixty three and nineteen were

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Speaker 3: those Pistons teams and the NBA champions that year.

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Speaker 4: That's a good call. It's a really good call.

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Speaker 7: I certainly appreciate it.

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Speaker 4: Thank you, Richard, Thank you very much.

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Speaker 3: Now, I think the one you could maybe one up

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Speaker 3: the Big Red Machine with would be any of Jordan's

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Speaker 3: teams in the nineties. I mean, now, I'm a Chicago

1210
01:05:38,400 --> 01:05:41,800
Speaker 3: Bulls fan. I never got to see Jordan play in person.

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Speaker 3: I'm I'm a little bit young for that. I wish

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Speaker 3: I would have. Now if you would expand it to

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Speaker 3: like athletes, greatest athletes you've ever gotten to see play

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Speaker 3: in person. I mean, Brady is up there, Peyton Manning

1215
01:05:56,160 --> 01:05:59,560
Speaker 3: is up there for me, Shoho, Tani is in that conversation.

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01:05:59,760 --> 01:06:04,800
Speaker 3: Ken Griffy Jr. I mean, got Lee. I think this

1217
01:06:04,840 --> 01:06:07,520
Speaker 3: is a hot take. This, I think this is a

1218
01:06:07,560 --> 01:06:12,400
Speaker 3: hot take. Ken Griffy Junior may be the most talented

1219
01:06:12,480 --> 01:06:17,560
Speaker 3: Red that has ever played for the franchise. Now, obviously

1220
01:06:17,600 --> 01:06:20,720
Speaker 3: didn't have the best career here and wasn't the best

1221
01:06:20,760 --> 01:06:23,040
Speaker 3: Red of all time, but I don't know if you

1222
01:06:23,080 --> 01:06:28,000
Speaker 3: could find a more talented Red than Ken Griffy Junior,

1223
01:06:29,320 --> 01:06:34,680
Speaker 3: top to bottom. Just talent was was Junior. Let's go

1224
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Speaker 3: to Carl in Cincinnati, Carl, what's on your mind?

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Speaker 5: Hey?

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Speaker 11: For me, I mean as far a cry from it now,

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Speaker 11: But first time I went to Reperrena and watched the

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Speaker 11: ninety six Wildcats runner Rick.

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Speaker 3: Matino man thirty four and two. That team was, I mean,

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Speaker 3: those those guys were unreal.

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01:06:53,200 --> 01:06:55,680
Speaker 11: Yeah, they beat South Carolina, I can't remember. It was

1232
01:06:55,720 --> 01:06:58,959
Speaker 11: a stays up, probably fifteen to eighteen by the first

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01:06:59,040 --> 01:06:59,919
Speaker 11: or second time out.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean Antoine Walker was on that team, Ron Mercer,

1235
01:07:04,680 --> 01:07:06,120
Speaker 3: I mean, rock Mark Pope.

1236
01:07:06,160 --> 01:07:09,080
Speaker 4: Now what you mentioned is it's a fun right out.

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01:07:09,360 --> 01:07:09,600
Speaker 2: Yeah.

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01:07:09,640 --> 01:07:12,080
Speaker 4: I mean there's a bunch of NBA guys on that team.

1239
01:07:12,840 --> 01:07:13,080
Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 11: And like I said, Matt, I the last thing all

1241
01:07:15,560 --> 01:07:17,840
Speaker 11: was kind of getting off topic. But if Rick would

1242
01:07:17,840 --> 01:07:19,920
Speaker 11: have never left the Big Blue Mine, we'd have been

1243
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Speaker 11: do today.

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01:07:23,080 --> 01:07:25,280
Speaker 3: I think there's a lot of people that agree with you, Carl,

1245
01:07:25,320 --> 01:07:27,400
Speaker 3: thank you for the phone call. Yeah, that's that's that's

1246
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Speaker 3: a really good one. I mean there's some some dudes

1247
01:07:30,160 --> 01:07:33,920
Speaker 3: on this team. Tony Delk averaged seventeen point eight points

1248
01:07:33,960 --> 01:07:37,960
Speaker 3: per game, four point two rebounds, sixteen to zero in

1249
01:07:38,040 --> 01:07:39,120
Speaker 3: the SEC.

1250
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Speaker 4: Wow. Yeah, that's a really good team.

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Speaker 3: The ninety five ninety six Wildcats also, I guess you

1252
01:07:45,880 --> 01:07:48,200
Speaker 3: could if you're thinking of it from an athlete perspective,

1253
01:07:48,680 --> 01:07:52,440
Speaker 3: what about like Tiger Woods, if you've ever seen him play,

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Speaker 3: that'd be uh, that'd be up there. But I've never

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Speaker 3: gotten a chance to see Tiger play, unfortunately. But Drew Brees,

1256
01:08:01,560 --> 01:08:03,520
Speaker 3: I mean there was a run there where Drew Brees

1257
01:08:03,600 --> 01:08:08,480
Speaker 3: was as good as anybody Barry Bonds. I mean what

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Speaker 3: he was able to do, I remember I got to see.

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Speaker 3: I want to say this was like twenty ten or

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Speaker 3: twenty eleven, maybe the Yankees when they had Jeter and

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Speaker 3: a Rod and CC Sabbathia and Mark Tashera. I mean

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Speaker 3: that was a really good team. But anyways, best team

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Speaker 3: that you've ever seen, I believe it was. My producer

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Speaker 3: Russ said the running Rebels UNLV back in nineteen ninety,

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Speaker 3: that would be a great team. I mean, honestly, when

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Speaker 3: you have a team like the Reds in nineteen ninety,

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Speaker 3: the wire to wire team, if you think about that,

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Speaker 3: To do that today, to go from day one to

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Speaker 3: the regular season all the way until the very end

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Speaker 3: and be in first place, and to dominate in the

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Speaker 3: World Series the way that they did, I mean, that's

1272
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Speaker 3: pretty dog one impressive. Obviously these people aren't around anymore,

1273
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Speaker 3: but like, what was it the Murderer's Row of the

1274
01:09:08,400 --> 01:09:13,719
Speaker 3: twenty seven Yankees with Mantle and DiMaggio and Bearra and

1275
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Speaker 3: all those in Ruth and all those great Yankees teams.

1276
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Speaker 3: I don't know, just made me think of some of

1277
01:09:19,840 --> 01:09:22,519
Speaker 3: the best teams that you've ever gotten to see play.

1278
01:09:23,439 --> 01:09:26,880
Speaker 3: And yeah, I thought that was neat. We'll take a break,

1279
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Speaker 3: we'll come back. We'll get you updated with the latest

1280
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Speaker 3: news going on in the sports world.

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Speaker 2: Today.

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Speaker 3: We'll finally get some headlines in. That's next Sports Talk,

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Speaker 3: seven hundred WLW. Sports Talk on a Friday night, seven

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Speaker 3: hundred WLW.

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Speaker 4: My name's Austin Elmore.

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Speaker 3: I promised you some sports headlines for the first time

1287
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Speaker 3: we've had a chance to talk some of the sports

1288
01:09:54,920 --> 01:10:00,200
Speaker 3: headlines of the day. One of them is the World

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Speaker 3: Baseball Classic well underway. Got started late last night with

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Speaker 3: Japan destroying Chinese Taipei thirteen to nothing, and they actually

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Speaker 3: run ruled them. They called the game after seven innings.

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Speaker 3: Shoheio Tani had five runs batted in and one inning,

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Speaker 3: including a grand Slam as they destroyed Chinese Taipei. Well,

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Speaker 3: the United States is in action as we speak. In

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Speaker 3: the top of the first inning, the US leads Brazil

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Speaker 3: to nothing. It was a two run homer off the

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Speaker 3: bat of Aaron Judge. Excuse me, it was a solo

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Speaker 3: shot off the bat of Aaron Judge and an RBI

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Speaker 3: single from Kyle Schwarber to give the United States their

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Speaker 3: first two runs. And they're threatening still with two on

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Speaker 3: and just one out in the top of the first inning.

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Speaker 3: I think the World Baseball Classic is going to come

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Speaker 3: down to the United States to Brazil, or to the

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Speaker 3: United States to Japan to Dominican Republic. Those are probably

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Speaker 3: the three that I would expect to have be some

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Speaker 3: of the final one standing. But the Dominican Republic has

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Speaker 3: tied up three to three right now with Nicaragua, and

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Speaker 3: you might remember their manager, Dusty Baker. Dusty Baker is

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Speaker 3: managing the Nicaraguan national team. Puerto Rico is up five

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Speaker 3: to nothing on Colombia right now. Earlier today, Cuba beat

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Speaker 3: Panama three to one, which is hard to believe because

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Speaker 3: when Cuba got destroyed by the Reds a couple of

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Speaker 3: days ago nineteen to two, I thought that was the

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Speaker 3: worst baseball team I've ever seen. Venezuela beat the Netherlands

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Speaker 3: six to two earlier today, Aohaneo Suarez did not start

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Speaker 3: in that game, but he is playing four team Venezuela

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Speaker 3: and it was Mexico eight to two over Great Britain

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Speaker 3: earlier in action. As I mentioned, Puerto Rico's up five

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Speaker 3: to nothing on Colombia right now as well. So a

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Speaker 3: lot of World Baseball Classic action happening. Meanwhile, other news,

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Speaker 3: it's a lot of cap casualties happening across the NFL,

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Speaker 3: A lot of guys being cut and caps based being clear,

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Speaker 3: including a couple of former Bengals. Joe Mixon was cut

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Speaker 3: by the Houston Texans today. That saves Houston eight million dollars.

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Speaker 3: Mixon missed all of last season with a mysterious foot

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Speaker 3: injury that there's still a lot of confusion surrounding what

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Speaker 3: exactly happened and why. But Mixon was cut today. He

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Speaker 3: did not play at all last year. He did request

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Speaker 3: his release and was granted it by the Houston Texans. Meanwhile,

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Speaker 3: former Bengal offensive lineman Alex Kappa today was released by

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Speaker 3: the Las Vegas Raiders. He did not play very well

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Speaker 3: for Las Vegas, just like he did not play very

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Speaker 3: well for Cincinnati prior to that. How about this? The

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Speaker 3: great Lakota West product Ryan Kelly has announced his retirement

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Speaker 3: after ten years of being a center in the National

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Speaker 3: Football League. Kelly played his career with the Colts and Vikings.

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Speaker 3: He announced earlier today that his career is over. He

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Speaker 3: is retiring. I think that's all the big stuff. There

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Speaker 3: was a a trade in the NFL earlier today. It's

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Speaker 3: going to become official on Wednesday. Garrett Bradberry was traded

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Speaker 3: to the Chicago Bears. The Bears are in need of

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Speaker 3: a new center after their guy, Drew Dolman retired, But

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Speaker 3: looks like that's really the extent of it. There were

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Speaker 3: a few other names across the NFL. Curtis Samuel the

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Speaker 3: former Ohio State Buckeye. He was released earlier today by

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Speaker 3: the Buffalo Bills. They also released tarn Johnson, who was

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Speaker 3: an All Pro for them just a couple of years

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Speaker 3: ago in twenty twenty three. So a lot of that

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Speaker 3: stuff is happening as we get set for legal tampering

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Speaker 3: to begin Monday at noon and then the new league

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Speaker 3: year to begin at four o'clock on Wednesday. And you know,

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Speaker 3: I'm fascinated by the fact that the Bengals haven't made

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Speaker 3: a couple of those moves that I thought they would make.

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Speaker 3: You know, they have Orrin Burks and Cody Ford that

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Speaker 3: can save them a little bit of money, and those

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Speaker 3: are moves that I expect Cincinnati to make to save them.

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Speaker 3: I don't know about six little over six million dollars

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Speaker 3: against the cap. Orren Burks really did not work out.

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Speaker 3: He was a veteran linebacker that was supposed to be

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Speaker 3: a part of helping mentor those guys and be a

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Speaker 3: good run stopper, and he really just was not very good.

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Speaker 3: And Cody Ford, although he had that really awesome twenty

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Speaker 3: yard reception late in the season, Cody Ford was not

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Speaker 3: very good at all when he played either. The Bengals

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Speaker 3: do need to address that backup offensive line position. I

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Speaker 3: think they'll at least draft one. I think they'll at

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Speaker 3: least sign one. But Cody Ford, I think is somebody

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Speaker 3: who probably will get cut due to the cap restrictions

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Speaker 3: and the amount of money that the Bengals can save

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Speaker 3: against the cap by doing so. So they have not

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Speaker 3: made that official. A lot of other teams have made

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Speaker 3: their talkbacks or their I'm reading something else have made

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Speaker 3: their cap casualties official.

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Speaker 4: With that.

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Speaker 3: By the way, the sad news yesterday that the great

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Speaker 3: Bob Harlan passed away. Bob Harlan was the former president

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Speaker 3: of the Green Bay Packers. He has an incredible story

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Speaker 3: with how he started with the Green Bay Packers in

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Speaker 3: the seventies and eventually rose to being the president. He

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Speaker 3: saved that franchise both on and off the field. Oversaw

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Speaker 3: the complete renovation of Lambeau Field and turning it into

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Speaker 3: a year round tourist destination. He got them out of

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Speaker 3: financial problems. He helped fix the on field product with

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Speaker 3: Ron Wolfe and Mike Holmgren. He okayed and finalized the

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Speaker 3: trade for Brett Farve. He signed off on the drafting

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Speaker 3: of Aaron Rodgers. I mean, this is a guy who

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Speaker 3: had a significant impact on one of the great franchises

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Speaker 3: in American sports. I think should be a Pro Football

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Speaker 3: Hall of Famer. He is a Packers Hall of Famer.

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Speaker 3: I went to Green Bay this October and watched the

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Speaker 3: Bengals when they played the Packers, and I got to

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Speaker 3: learn so much about Bob Harlan and as great of

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Speaker 3: as great of an executive as he was, an even

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Speaker 3: better person in the There's so many stories that have

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01:16:01,160 --> 01:16:06,120
Speaker 3: flooded the social media and others since then since the

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Speaker 3: passing of Bob Harlan. You might remember his son Kevin

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Speaker 3: is the great play by play announcer. His granddaughter Olivia

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01:16:12,960 --> 01:16:16,360
Speaker 3: is a great reporter in her own right. Really cool

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Speaker 3: family and family lines. And Bob Harlan unfortunately passed away

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Speaker 3: over the weekend. One of the all time greats in

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Speaker 3: the history of professional football, one of the most impactful people.

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Speaker 3: There should be more Bob Harlan's in the world, all right.

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Speaker 3: That sums up really the latest news in sports. There's

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Speaker 3: not too much going on. By the way, FC Cincinnati

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01:16:36,640 --> 01:16:39,920
Speaker 3: back in action on Sunday night. They'll play Sunday Night

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Speaker 3: soccer against Toronto FC. It'll be Evander Bobblehead Night at

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Speaker 3: TQL Stadium. It'll be the first Bobblehead Night in that

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Speaker 3: franchise's history. And Evander looks like he's going to be

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Speaker 3: able to play. He dealt with a hamstring injury last

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Speaker 3: week and missed last week's game against Minnesota. But it

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Speaker 3: looks like evanner Or will be good to go this weekend.

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Speaker 3: Maybe not on a full workload, but should be good

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Speaker 3: to go. All right, we'll take a break. We'll come back.

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Speaker 3: When we do, we'll talk college hoops with Paul Fritchner

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Speaker 3: from the Rebound Rundown next seven hundred WLW all right,

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Speaker 3: final home stretch here on a Friday night Sports Talk,

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Speaker 3: seven hundred WLW high. Thanks for being here, Thanks for

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Speaker 3: spending your Friday night with me. We've talked to Bengals,

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Speaker 3: we've talked Reds. We haven't talked the hottest sport in

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Speaker 3: America right now, college basketball, college hoops. We're in the

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Speaker 3: full swing, March Madness approaching, and nobody better to talk

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Speaker 3: to than the host of the Rebound Rundown podcast, also

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Speaker 3: affectionately known as Mister College Basketball. Paul Fritzner joins me. Now, Hi, Paul,

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Speaker 3: how are you well.

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Speaker 2: I'm doing great.

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Speaker 7: You know.

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Speaker 2: It's funny, Audi.

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Speaker 8: I tweeted a few minutes ago that I was joining

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Speaker 8: you to talk college basketball, but then I didn't know,

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Speaker 8: if you know, something else might come up. I didn't

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Speaker 8: want to assume that we would just be talking college

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Speaker 8: hoops here. So I'm glad this time that that's what

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Speaker 8: we're talking about.

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Speaker 3: Every time I have had Paul on the show, there's

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Speaker 3: been some major breaking news. So who knows what's going

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Speaker 3: to happen between now and the next twenty minutes or

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Speaker 3: so while we have this conversation. But first of all,

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Speaker 3: tell me where you are and what you're doing. You're

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Speaker 3: I thought you would be in Athens, Ohio tonight, but

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Speaker 3: you're actually on assignment.

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Speaker 4: What are you working on?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's true.

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Speaker 8: Well, so the Rebound Rundown is in all places at

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Speaker 8: all times. Our videographer is in Athens, Ohio. We have

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Speaker 8: it covered, but I myself am out in.

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Speaker 2: DC.

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Speaker 8: I have the first two rounds on a broadcast of

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Speaker 8: the CIA. The Artist, formerly known as the Colonial Athletic Association,

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Speaker 8: is now the Coastal Athletic Association out here in DC

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Speaker 8: at twelve and two thirty tomorrow, and then twelve and

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Speaker 8: two thirty on Sunday, and then if if your Norse

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Speaker 8: win on Sunday at three thirty, we will be in

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Speaker 8: Indianapolis on Monday, so we'll be We'll see.

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Speaker 3: Now you're daring me to lead with the Norse, But

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Speaker 3: I'm a journalist, so I'll get to I have a

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Speaker 3: journalist at heart at least. So I'll start with the

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Speaker 3: top story, which is the Miami RedHawks trying to finish

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Speaker 3: this off at thirty one to Zhero like, how did

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Speaker 3: we get here? Paul like, why are they at this point?

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Speaker 3: Why are they this good and actually on the verge

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Speaker 3: of doing this.

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Speaker 2: Well, It's a great question.

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Speaker 8: And it's the way that they have assembled this roster

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Speaker 8: this year, and I talked about it a lot. They

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Speaker 8: brought a lot of guys back, and like we saw

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Speaker 8: yesterday and the articles that all came out about teams

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Speaker 8: that didn't want to play Miami or maybe didn't respond

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Speaker 8: to their request to schedule, it's really tough when you

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Speaker 8: bring a lot of guys back. And that's what Miami

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Speaker 8: emphasized this last offseason was retention and Peter Souter, who

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Speaker 8: was the Big East or the Big East, the MAC

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Speaker 8: preseason player of the Year. He comes back, right, And

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Speaker 8: when you get a player like that back and you

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Speaker 8: get so much retention on your roster and you're able

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Speaker 8: to put when you're able to put that kind of

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Speaker 8: talent together Austin, then all of a sudden, you have something.

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Speaker 8: And it's funny because I was going back the other

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Speaker 8: day and I was listening to the Miami preview that

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Speaker 8: we did on the Rebound Rundown from before the season,

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Speaker 8: and I had Luke Wes Paully on, who's the student

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Speaker 8: radio voice of Miami, and he and I both said

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Speaker 8: Miami could very easily be fifteen and oh or twenty

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Speaker 8: and oh on the season, which was a very easy

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Speaker 8: clip for social media. You know, push that out, you know,

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Speaker 8: you know, as you do pump the numbers, and so

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Speaker 8: you say they could easily be twenty and oh. But

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Speaker 8: to be sitting here at thirty and oh and with

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Speaker 8: the opportunity to go to thirty one and oh tonight

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Speaker 8: a team that But you think back to Travis Steel's

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Speaker 8: time at Xavier, right, what was Travis's biggest problem at

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Speaker 8: Xavier Austin. It was that they could never get over

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Speaker 8: the finish line. They were always so close, but they

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Speaker 8: couldn't finish. And now at Miami, that's all they're doing

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Speaker 8: is getting over the finish line and winning close games

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Speaker 8: when it matters. He's completely flipped the narrative on that

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Speaker 8: type of a game and that type of a win.

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Speaker 8: And that's why we're here at thirty one and oh yeah,

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Speaker 8: thirty and oh.

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Speaker 3: I was going to say a lot of our listeners

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Speaker 3: probably remember that iteration of Travis Steele. How do you

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01:21:15,760 --> 01:21:18,840
Speaker 3: think he has evolved as a head coach to where

1502
01:21:18,840 --> 01:21:21,040
Speaker 3: he's at right now. Yeah.

1503
01:21:21,080 --> 01:21:23,599
Speaker 8: I think his offense is a lot more free flowing

1504
01:21:23,640 --> 01:21:27,080
Speaker 8: than it was at Xavier. I think not to say

1505
01:21:27,080 --> 01:21:30,120
Speaker 8: that necessarily he didn't have the talent at Xavier, because

1506
01:21:30,160 --> 01:21:31,920
Speaker 8: he did. I mean, you think back to that roster

1507
01:21:32,000 --> 01:21:34,120
Speaker 8: that he had his last year. The next year he

1508
01:21:34,160 --> 01:21:36,519
Speaker 8: had a point guard, and that roster essentially went to

1509
01:21:36,880 --> 01:21:38,719
Speaker 8: the same roster went to a sweet sixteen.

1510
01:21:38,800 --> 01:21:39,240
Speaker 2: I think the.

1511
01:21:39,240 --> 01:21:43,640
Speaker 8: Problem was they got bogged down in overthinking when he

1512
01:21:43,720 --> 01:21:46,160
Speaker 8: was at Zaber And when you talk to Travis about

1513
01:21:46,200 --> 01:21:49,479
Speaker 8: the things that he has changed at Miami, it's been

1514
01:21:49,479 --> 01:21:51,920
Speaker 8: really interesting talking to him about that over the last

1515
01:21:51,960 --> 01:21:55,400
Speaker 8: year or so and the evolution of allowing his players

1516
01:21:55,400 --> 01:21:58,120
Speaker 8: to just be more free, run more concept and you're

1517
01:21:58,160 --> 01:22:01,480
Speaker 8: seeing that all across college basketball now is more conceptual

1518
01:22:01,560 --> 01:22:04,160
Speaker 8: offense instead of just looking back to the bench every

1519
01:22:04,200 --> 01:22:06,240
Speaker 8: single possession.

1520
01:22:05,800 --> 01:22:08,320
Speaker 2: For a set play or whatever it might be.

1521
01:22:08,880 --> 01:22:11,080
Speaker 8: It's guys that have been around your program and know

1522
01:22:11,120 --> 01:22:13,679
Speaker 8: what you're trying to do. It's off ball cutting, it's

1523
01:22:14,040 --> 01:22:16,600
Speaker 8: looking for the open man, right, It's the basics, but

1524
01:22:16,640 --> 01:22:20,840
Speaker 8: it's also having the IQ from experienced players to know

1525
01:22:21,120 --> 01:22:22,600
Speaker 8: where they're going to be, when they're going to be,

1526
01:22:22,680 --> 01:22:25,800
Speaker 8: what kind of move benefits which player. Like the other

1527
01:22:25,920 --> 01:22:28,640
Speaker 8: day playing against Toledo, they call a time out up

1528
01:22:28,680 --> 01:22:31,479
Speaker 8: by two with like thirty seconds left and they just

1529
01:22:31,640 --> 01:22:34,960
Speaker 8: run a simple little role to Antoine Wolffol. It's not

1530
01:22:35,120 --> 01:22:37,920
Speaker 8: rocket science, but it works for them. Travis knew it

1531
01:22:37,960 --> 01:22:40,160
Speaker 8: would work and they get a game winning bucket. So

1532
01:22:41,040 --> 01:22:45,360
Speaker 8: I think for Travis, just running that more conceptual offense

1533
01:22:45,400 --> 01:22:47,400
Speaker 8: than he had when I think he ran too many

1534
01:22:47,479 --> 01:22:50,400
Speaker 8: sets at Zager, He's turned it around.

1535
01:22:51,000 --> 01:22:54,559
Speaker 3: Do you think winning tonight in completing the undefeated regular

1536
01:22:54,720 --> 01:22:58,439
Speaker 3: season has to be done if they want any shot

1537
01:22:58,479 --> 01:23:00,000
Speaker 3: of making the NCAA Tournament.

1538
01:23:01,439 --> 01:23:03,840
Speaker 8: No, I don't, and I know that I might be

1539
01:23:03,880 --> 01:23:06,600
Speaker 8: in the minority here. I hope I'm not in the minority,

1540
01:23:06,720 --> 01:23:08,879
Speaker 8: but I might be in the minority. I think Miami's

1541
01:23:08,920 --> 01:23:12,280
Speaker 8: already in, at least from bracketologists that I've talked to

1542
01:23:12,400 --> 01:23:15,720
Speaker 8: people around the industry. I think they're already in now.

1543
01:23:15,760 --> 01:23:17,600
Speaker 8: The problem is if they were to lose tonight and

1544
01:23:17,640 --> 01:23:22,240
Speaker 8: then lose it eleven am on Thursday morning, then you

1545
01:23:22,960 --> 01:23:26,120
Speaker 8: might be sweating going into Sunday. But if you win tonight, Austin,

1546
01:23:26,160 --> 01:23:30,360
Speaker 8: there is no doubt the tournament committee, the selection committee,

1547
01:23:30,400 --> 01:23:32,960
Speaker 8: will not keep out a team that is thirty one

1548
01:23:32,960 --> 01:23:35,040
Speaker 8: to know, and even beyond that, I mean their strength

1549
01:23:35,040 --> 01:23:37,559
Speaker 8: of record was twenty one coming into the day. Their

1550
01:23:37,600 --> 01:23:40,000
Speaker 8: winds above the bubble, which is a metric that the

1551
01:23:40,000 --> 01:23:44,360
Speaker 8: committee is really emphasizing this year, was also I believe

1552
01:23:44,600 --> 01:23:47,120
Speaker 8: around the thirties. I didn't see it this morning where

1553
01:23:47,120 --> 01:23:49,200
Speaker 8: it was, but you know, it's a top forty, which

1554
01:23:49,240 --> 01:23:51,080
Speaker 8: if you're in the top forty, you're feeling really good

1555
01:23:51,080 --> 01:23:54,799
Speaker 8: about yourself. So the metrics that the committee cares about

1556
01:23:54,920 --> 01:23:58,639
Speaker 8: Miami is strong in from that perspective. So I think

1557
01:23:58,680 --> 01:24:01,000
Speaker 8: they're in already a win night and they're in for sure.

1558
01:24:01,160 --> 01:24:03,160
Speaker 3: Do you think that the season that they've had this

1559
01:24:03,280 --> 01:24:05,680
Speaker 3: year will help them when it comes to scheduling in

1560
01:24:05,760 --> 01:24:06,400
Speaker 3: future years.

1561
01:24:07,880 --> 01:24:11,280
Speaker 8: I've thought about that so much, so much, Austen, because

1562
01:24:11,800 --> 01:24:15,320
Speaker 8: I wonder if next year everybody's gonna want to play.

1563
01:24:15,120 --> 01:24:17,320
Speaker 2: Them to say we didn't say no, right?

1564
01:24:17,400 --> 01:24:17,479
Speaker 9: Like?

1565
01:24:18,000 --> 01:24:21,520
Speaker 8: Is their non conference schedule next year gonna be Kansas,

1566
01:24:21,600 --> 01:24:26,559
Speaker 8: Iowa State, Cincinnati, Purdue Illinois, you know, like, and then

1567
01:24:26,760 --> 01:24:27,920
Speaker 8: they're gonna mix in.

1568
01:24:27,800 --> 01:24:29,719
Speaker 4: One like nai A game.

1569
01:24:29,640 --> 01:24:31,559
Speaker 2: Just to say that they did it, you know? Is

1570
01:24:31,600 --> 01:24:32,360
Speaker 2: that the schedule?

1571
01:24:33,000 --> 01:24:35,400
Speaker 8: I've laughed about that a lot, with how much this

1572
01:24:35,560 --> 01:24:36,679
Speaker 8: narrative has taken hold.

1573
01:24:36,880 --> 01:24:37,760
Speaker 2: I do wonder that.

1574
01:24:38,560 --> 01:24:42,280
Speaker 3: You mentioned the Cincinnati Bearcats, and I don't know, I

1575
01:24:42,560 --> 01:24:45,320
Speaker 3: can't believe I'm saying this, but for like the last month,

1576
01:24:45,560 --> 01:24:48,759
Speaker 3: they've legitimately been one of the best teams in the country.

1577
01:24:49,000 --> 01:24:51,120
Speaker 3: How do you explain the turnaround for UC?

1578
01:24:52,600 --> 01:24:56,120
Speaker 8: Well, look after that game against West Virginia, I mean

1579
01:24:56,720 --> 01:25:00,880
Speaker 8: you're talking about is it best at West and Cincinnati

1580
01:25:01,040 --> 01:25:01,320
Speaker 8: just go.

1581
01:25:01,320 --> 01:25:02,120
Speaker 2: Their separate ways.

1582
01:25:02,200 --> 01:25:04,639
Speaker 8: I mean, he was emotional in the postgame press conference,

1583
01:25:04,640 --> 01:25:08,200
Speaker 8: in the postgame radio it was not a good scene.

1584
01:25:08,240 --> 01:25:10,400
Speaker 8: And then since then Austen they're the fifth best team

1585
01:25:10,439 --> 01:25:10,760
Speaker 8: in the.

1586
01:25:10,640 --> 01:25:13,280
Speaker 7: Country, fifth best team in the That's.

1587
01:25:13,160 --> 01:25:16,400
Speaker 8: Not my opinion, that's the data. They are playing as

1588
01:25:16,439 --> 01:25:21,000
Speaker 8: the fifth most efficient team in the country since February sixth,

1589
01:25:21,040 --> 01:25:23,320
Speaker 8: and so when you put it in that perspective and

1590
01:25:23,400 --> 01:25:26,240
Speaker 8: really what they've done, it's a couple of things. First,

1591
01:25:26,320 --> 01:25:30,679
Speaker 8: they've emphasized Baba Miller and Mustafa Chom, which you could

1592
01:25:30,680 --> 01:25:32,400
Speaker 8: say they should have been doing it all season, sure,

1593
01:25:32,439 --> 01:25:35,240
Speaker 8: but at least better late than never. Baba Miller is

1594
01:25:35,240 --> 01:25:39,640
Speaker 8: somebody that I'm honestly surprised Baba and Mustafa haven't.

1595
01:25:39,360 --> 01:25:41,000
Speaker 2: Gotten more NBA looks.

1596
01:25:41,040 --> 01:25:43,080
Speaker 8: And maybe they have in the last couple of weeks

1597
01:25:43,120 --> 01:25:45,120
Speaker 8: since they haven't been playing or since they have been

1598
01:25:45,160 --> 01:25:49,040
Speaker 8: playing better. But I mean those two have completely unlocked

1599
01:25:49,040 --> 01:25:52,519
Speaker 8: this offense because it allows the backcourt to play more

1600
01:25:52,560 --> 01:25:56,720
Speaker 8: freely Shawnabiah. They haven't forced the minutes to Shaunabiah that

1601
01:25:56,760 --> 01:25:58,519
Speaker 8: I think they were trying too early in the season.

1602
01:25:58,560 --> 01:26:01,479
Speaker 8: When you have such a highly rated you think to yourself, Okay,

1603
01:26:01,479 --> 01:26:02,519
Speaker 8: maybe we have to get this.

1604
01:26:02,479 --> 01:26:03,240
Speaker 2: Guy some minutes.

1605
01:26:03,720 --> 01:26:07,639
Speaker 8: Well, they realized that wasn't working out. Seanabio hasn't played

1606
01:26:07,760 --> 01:26:11,040
Speaker 8: at all lately. Kerkretsa hasn't played at all lately. So

1607
01:26:11,240 --> 01:26:12,880
Speaker 8: those are a couple of things you look at from

1608
01:26:12,880 --> 01:26:15,360
Speaker 8: the backcourt that you know, dayda A Thomas who's been

1609
01:26:15,400 --> 01:26:18,760
Speaker 8: so steady. I've loved watching him play the last couple

1610
01:26:18,800 --> 01:26:21,320
Speaker 8: of years with how steady he is for Cincinnati, and

1611
01:26:21,400 --> 01:26:25,120
Speaker 8: he's obviously stepped up. Jigsell James being back, you know,

1612
01:26:25,400 --> 01:26:28,360
Speaker 8: has impacted this team. But Mustapha cham and Baba Miller

1613
01:26:28,560 --> 01:26:33,040
Speaker 8: complete difference makers and they've turned the entire tenor of

1614
01:26:33,120 --> 01:26:34,040
Speaker 8: this season around.

1615
01:26:34,520 --> 01:26:37,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel like the rotation is a big deal.

1616
01:26:37,680 --> 01:26:41,880
Speaker 3: And instead of trying to play eleven or twelve guys

1617
01:26:41,920 --> 01:26:45,040
Speaker 3: a game, it's it's seven, eight guys a game, And

1618
01:26:45,080 --> 01:26:47,200
Speaker 3: that has just kind of studied the ship for them,

1619
01:26:47,439 --> 01:26:51,439
Speaker 3: And you know, I think is that also obviously it's

1620
01:26:51,439 --> 01:26:54,680
Speaker 3: a lesson on how to maybe best use your personnel,

1621
01:26:54,880 --> 01:26:58,080
Speaker 3: but also going into the offseason and going into the

1622
01:26:58,080 --> 01:27:00,919
Speaker 3: transfer portal and whether or not they make the tournament

1623
01:27:01,400 --> 01:27:03,840
Speaker 3: is one thing, But is that a lesson too for

1624
01:27:04,400 --> 01:27:06,439
Speaker 3: not only for UC, but for other teams that maybe

1625
01:27:06,479 --> 01:27:09,519
Speaker 3: you don't have to pay eleven or twelve guys you

1626
01:27:09,560 --> 01:27:12,120
Speaker 3: can pay at least spend the top part of your

1627
01:27:12,200 --> 01:27:15,520
Speaker 3: roster on eight guys, and that can be really impactful

1628
01:27:15,520 --> 01:27:17,080
Speaker 3: for you.

1629
01:27:17,080 --> 01:27:17,720
Speaker 2: You're spot on.

1630
01:27:17,840 --> 01:27:20,040
Speaker 8: In fact, I was reading an article last night talking

1631
01:27:20,040 --> 01:27:23,280
Speaker 8: about how different this year's transfer portal is going to

1632
01:27:23,320 --> 01:27:25,439
Speaker 8: be compared to last year. Is not so much from

1633
01:27:25,479 --> 01:27:29,120
Speaker 8: a financial perspective of numbers ballooning, but more so how

1634
01:27:29,240 --> 01:27:32,320
Speaker 8: teams are already trying to approach the portal and what

1635
01:27:32,360 --> 01:27:34,640
Speaker 8: they're setting up from a budget perspective of how they

1636
01:27:34,680 --> 01:27:37,200
Speaker 8: want to use their money. That I think teams in

1637
01:27:37,320 --> 01:27:39,800
Speaker 8: this year's portal are going to be more focused on

1638
01:27:40,479 --> 01:27:43,519
Speaker 8: getting one or two or three guys of top end

1639
01:27:43,640 --> 01:27:46,559
Speaker 8: talent and then filling it in more of the NBA

1640
01:27:46,720 --> 01:27:50,320
Speaker 8: style of a couple of max contracts and then you

1641
01:27:50,400 --> 01:27:52,800
Speaker 8: fill it in with the role players around them. The

1642
01:27:52,880 --> 01:27:55,439
Speaker 8: risk in that in the college game is it's definitely

1643
01:27:55,560 --> 01:27:58,360
Speaker 8: riskier than the NBA as far as guys panning out. Right,

1644
01:27:58,400 --> 01:28:00,439
Speaker 8: you have guys from all over the country. They're coming

1645
01:28:00,520 --> 01:28:02,439
Speaker 8: up from a mid major level. You don't know if

1646
01:28:02,439 --> 01:28:04,720
Speaker 8: they're going to pan out. But second, you don't know

1647
01:28:04,760 --> 01:28:06,599
Speaker 8: in general are they gonna were they in a high

1648
01:28:06,640 --> 01:28:08,880
Speaker 8: tempo system, they're coming to a low tempo system or

1649
01:28:08,920 --> 01:28:11,040
Speaker 8: vice versa. Are they going to play in your system

1650
01:28:11,040 --> 01:28:14,839
Speaker 8: as well as they were wherever they were last season?

1651
01:28:14,880 --> 01:28:18,519
Speaker 8: Who knows that it's a riskier proposition in college than

1652
01:28:18,560 --> 01:28:20,639
Speaker 8: in the NBA. But at the same time, and also,

1653
01:28:20,680 --> 01:28:22,280
Speaker 8: you got to deal with injuries. Right, If you pay

1654
01:28:22,280 --> 01:28:24,800
Speaker 8: one guy three million dollars out of a ten million

1655
01:28:24,880 --> 01:28:27,439
Speaker 8: dollar budget, you're probably going to be a pretty good

1656
01:28:27,439 --> 01:28:30,360
Speaker 8: team if he stays healthy. But if he doesn't, then

1657
01:28:30,720 --> 01:28:34,599
Speaker 8: your season becomes sidetracked. So those are all the things

1658
01:28:34,600 --> 01:28:37,280
Speaker 8: that you have to consider. But when you spend the

1659
01:28:37,280 --> 01:28:39,760
Speaker 8: money on guys like Baba and Mustapha cham and then

1660
01:28:39,800 --> 01:28:42,400
Speaker 8: you see how well they're playing now, on the flip side,

1661
01:28:42,560 --> 01:28:45,080
Speaker 8: it's pull your hair out infuriating that they weren't doing

1662
01:28:45,160 --> 01:28:47,439
Speaker 8: it all season, but at least they're doing it now

1663
01:28:47,439 --> 01:28:48,920
Speaker 8: when it matters.

1664
01:28:48,960 --> 01:28:52,200
Speaker 3: As far as the NCAA Tournament is concerned. Do you

1665
01:28:52,280 --> 01:28:55,280
Speaker 3: think UC has to get to twenty if they want

1666
01:28:55,320 --> 01:28:56,479
Speaker 3: a chance to get in?

1667
01:28:57,640 --> 01:29:00,000
Speaker 8: Okay, I really don't want to be a wet blanket

1668
01:29:00,200 --> 01:29:03,400
Speaker 8: from Cincinnati fans listening to this, But I had a

1669
01:29:03,439 --> 01:29:06,520
Speaker 8: bracketologist on the show the other day, and and bracketology

1670
01:29:06,600 --> 01:29:09,880
Speaker 8: is something that you know, I tend to get lost

1671
01:29:09,920 --> 01:29:12,320
Speaker 8: in the weeds in here in these couple of weeks

1672
01:29:12,320 --> 01:29:15,120
Speaker 8: in March. It's just I really enjoy kind of reading

1673
01:29:15,160 --> 01:29:18,280
Speaker 8: all these resumes and how these teams shake out. I

1674
01:29:18,320 --> 01:29:22,519
Speaker 8: think the thing this year with the NCAA tournament is

1675
01:29:22,560 --> 01:29:27,360
Speaker 8: that a lot of times we placed way too much emphasis,

1676
01:29:27,680 --> 01:29:30,000
Speaker 8: you know, as fans of the sport on what happens

1677
01:29:30,000 --> 01:29:33,640
Speaker 8: in the conference tournament. I think Cincinnati has to win tomorrow.

1678
01:29:34,160 --> 01:29:36,400
Speaker 8: I think they have to beat one of the big

1679
01:29:36,439 --> 01:29:41,600
Speaker 8: boys before Friday in the Big Twelve tournament because after Friday,

1680
01:29:42,040 --> 01:29:45,360
Speaker 8: the tournament selection committee basically wraps things up from a

1681
01:29:45,439 --> 01:29:49,320
Speaker 8: voting perspective and they just start seeding. So wins on

1682
01:29:49,479 --> 01:29:53,000
Speaker 8: Friday and Saturday don't matter nearly as much as they

1683
01:29:53,040 --> 01:29:56,439
Speaker 8: do on Thursday. So if if Cincinnati wins tomorrow, like

1684
01:29:56,680 --> 01:29:59,760
Speaker 8: beating Utah or beating you know, a Colorado who or

1685
01:29:59,760 --> 01:30:02,800
Speaker 8: who whatever they match up with on say, Wednesday, doesn't

1686
01:30:02,840 --> 01:30:05,120
Speaker 8: move the needle. It's just that you didn't lose. But

1687
01:30:05,160 --> 01:30:09,519
Speaker 8: if you're to beat you know, Kansas or Houston or

1688
01:30:09,600 --> 01:30:11,360
Speaker 8: I don't even know if it's possible with the way

1689
01:30:11,400 --> 01:30:13,360
Speaker 8: the brackets setting up or like in Arizona, if you

1690
01:30:13,400 --> 01:30:17,080
Speaker 8: can get one of those wins on Thursday, then all

1691
01:30:17,120 --> 01:30:19,200
Speaker 8: of a sudden, I think it kind of becomes interesting.

1692
01:30:19,240 --> 01:30:22,200
Speaker 8: The problem is, you see need some help above them,

1693
01:30:22,240 --> 01:30:24,559
Speaker 8: They need teams to drop down. There's a lot that

1694
01:30:24,600 --> 01:30:27,320
Speaker 8: they need to go right. But I'll tell you this, Austin,

1695
01:30:27,600 --> 01:30:29,880
Speaker 8: the way they're playing right now, who's to say they

1696
01:30:29,880 --> 01:30:31,920
Speaker 8: can't just go win the Big twelve tournament anyway?

1697
01:30:32,080 --> 01:30:35,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean that's the thing, like you mentioned it,

1698
01:30:35,080 --> 01:30:38,240
Speaker 3: and it's not just an opinion, it's the fact of

1699
01:30:38,280 --> 01:30:40,519
Speaker 3: the matter is that they are a top five team

1700
01:30:40,560 --> 01:30:43,920
Speaker 3: in the country. Over the last month or so. Speaking

1701
01:30:43,920 --> 01:30:46,680
Speaker 3: of top five teams in the country, NKU back in

1702
01:30:46,760 --> 01:30:51,560
Speaker 3: action on Sunday, up against Doug Gottlieb's Green Bay Phoenix

1703
01:30:52,479 --> 01:30:55,160
Speaker 3: Norse or nineteen and thirteen. Obviously they're gonna need to

1704
01:30:55,240 --> 01:30:57,320
Speaker 3: run through the Horizon League tournament. What do you like

1705
01:30:57,360 --> 01:30:59,439
Speaker 3: about nku's chances in that tournament.

1706
01:31:00,560 --> 01:31:02,759
Speaker 8: I think they have a great chance in this tournament.

1707
01:31:02,760 --> 01:31:05,240
Speaker 8: They were my dark horse to win it from before

1708
01:31:05,280 --> 01:31:07,639
Speaker 8: the tournament started. I think they got a great trawl

1709
01:31:07,760 --> 01:31:10,840
Speaker 8: with Oakland, right they were close with Oakland. A couple

1710
01:31:10,840 --> 01:31:12,760
Speaker 8: of times were injured the last time they played them,

1711
01:31:12,760 --> 01:31:14,960
Speaker 8: and then they go and beat them now Doug Gottlieb's

1712
01:31:14,960 --> 01:31:17,440
Speaker 8: Green Bay team, I mean they lost by one possession

1713
01:31:17,439 --> 01:31:20,240
Speaker 8: in both games. They had a shot to win it.

1714
01:31:20,320 --> 01:31:23,160
Speaker 8: At green Bay they were down double digits, came back,

1715
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Speaker 8: had a three pointer to win the.

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01:31:24,720 --> 01:31:27,280
Speaker 2: Game and missed it. And then in the game.

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01:31:27,120 --> 01:31:30,960
Speaker 8: At NKU, the ball I think green Bay missed the

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01:31:30,960 --> 01:31:34,000
Speaker 8: free throw. NKU had two guys go for the rebound,

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01:31:34,120 --> 01:31:35,920
Speaker 8: neither one of them grabbed it and it just trickled

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Speaker 8: out of bounds. And then green Bay comes back, forces

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01:31:38,120 --> 01:31:40,800
Speaker 8: overtime and they hit a game winning three before the

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01:31:40,840 --> 01:31:43,640
Speaker 8: overtime buzzer. But my point in that is they've been

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01:31:43,720 --> 01:31:46,880
Speaker 8: right there in both games. And I will say credit

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01:31:46,880 --> 01:31:49,519
Speaker 8: to Doug Gottlieb. They win four games last year. They

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01:31:49,560 --> 01:31:52,040
Speaker 8: completely turn it around this year. They're a competitive team.

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01:31:52,080 --> 01:31:54,400
Speaker 5: He gives up his radio show, and now things.

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01:31:54,200 --> 01:31:58,280
Speaker 2: Are looking a lot better for the Phoenix up there.

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01:31:58,280 --> 01:32:00,280
Speaker 8: But I'll say it often, I.

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01:32:00,360 --> 01:32:01,760
Speaker 2: Like NKU in this game.

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Speaker 8: So the other nugg I mean, I'll give a shout out.

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01:32:04,680 --> 01:32:06,280
Speaker 8: I'll give you one more nugget here. And this is

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01:32:06,320 --> 01:32:09,280
Speaker 8: from Rick Brooring sitting on the Skinny Pod the other day.

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01:32:10,240 --> 01:32:12,639
Speaker 8: Darren Horne is three and oh in the Horizon League

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01:32:12,640 --> 01:32:16,479
Speaker 8: tournament against teams that have swept him in the regular season,

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01:32:16,840 --> 01:32:20,000
Speaker 8: and Green Bay swept him in the regular season this year.

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01:32:20,040 --> 01:32:21,679
Speaker 8: So Canny go to four and oh, there's a little

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01:32:21,760 --> 01:32:22,320
Speaker 8: nugget for you.

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Speaker 3: That is definitely a nugget. And as we know of

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01:32:24,320 --> 01:32:28,800
Speaker 3: the calendar goes January February Norse and that's normally what

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01:32:28,880 --> 01:32:31,160
Speaker 3: happens this time of the year. Paul Frichner out in

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01:32:31,240 --> 01:32:35,280
Speaker 3: DC getting set for the CAA Tournament, and Paul, I

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01:32:35,360 --> 01:32:38,400
Speaker 3: really appreciate you saying taking some time. The hosts of

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01:32:38,400 --> 01:32:40,879
Speaker 3: the Rebound Rundown Podcast have a great weekend.

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01:32:40,960 --> 01:32:42,160
Speaker 4: Enjoy the call. Man, thanks so.

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01:32:42,160 --> 01:32:48,200
Speaker 3: Much, absolutely anytime, Austin. That is Paul Frichner, Mister college basketball.

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01:32:48,240 --> 01:32:53,120
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Speaker 3: Russ Jackson for producing. My thanks to Jeff Hopson, Tommy Thrall,

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01:33:00,280 --> 01:33:02,559
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