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Speaker 1: of the Golden Gopher Men's Men's No, who knows. Maybe

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Speaker 2: No, I'm just asking, No, he does not, nor should.

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Speaker 1: Basically who's out indefinitely now? Nicos said today, apparently can

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Speaker 1: Are looking forward to do this afternoon and evening's edition

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Speaker 1: about five point thirty. The branch on Brian caffe In

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Speaker 2: That's the part that never ever ever made any sense.

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Speaker 1: anniversaries on Instagram. Yeah, you know, like to self serving.

437
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Speaker 1: I think, so did you get people get? Did they

438
00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:04,080
Speaker 1: rip you? A couple of people said, calm down. Most

439
00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:07,920
Speaker 1: people loved it. Yeah, everyone was that Taylor. Heize someone

440
00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:10,959
Speaker 1: put out where she played as like a seventh grader

441
00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:14,639
Speaker 1: like ten years ago for Red Wing. Yes, and you know,

442
00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:16,680
Speaker 1: scored like four goals and five points, and I said

443
00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:18,879
Speaker 1: the same year Parker Fox.

444
00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:20,120
Speaker 2: Made his debut for Gover Hoops.

445
00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:23,400
Speaker 1: Nothing, that's not that's it's not Nate bargat Sea level

446
00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:23,920
Speaker 1: humor here.

447
00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:26,880
Speaker 2: But it's easy on Twitter. That's reasonable. That's what it's

448
00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:27,119
Speaker 2: there for.

449
00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:29,600
Speaker 1: I can't believe I give all these free Yeah, I mean,

450
00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:32,120
Speaker 1: you couldn't help yourself, but I think that's the best

451
00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:32,760
Speaker 1: way to put it.

452
00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:34,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you know how it goes.

453
00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:37,720
Speaker 1: So that, but once that have to do with program password, iout,

454
00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:41,640
Speaker 1: I don't know interesting I said. What I did say

455
00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:44,640
Speaker 1: today was I've been, you know, called the tasteless box

456
00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:47,159
Speaker 1: of mashed potatoes in my listener. It was reference to

457
00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:50,080
Speaker 1: my personality being very bland. And I think now that

458
00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:52,200
Speaker 1: i'm like, I think it's fair to say mid forties.

459
00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:55,000
Speaker 1: I'm not saying I'm a fully loaded baked potato, but

460
00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:57,239
Speaker 1: I'm at least a baked potato is sour cream. Now,

461
00:24:57,280 --> 00:25:00,560
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say you might even have some cheese and bacon.

462
00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:02,800
Speaker 2: I think it's possible, That's what I'm saying.

463
00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:05,240
Speaker 1: I'm probably not fully loaded up, but I feel like

464
00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:08,920
Speaker 1: I'm moving up from the tasteless box and mashed potato.

465
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Speaker 2: You're absolutely heading there.

466
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Speaker 1: Let's pause bottom of the hour break, lots more to

467
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Speaker 1: get to some eight juicy A section material and much

468
00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:18,040
Speaker 1: much more.

469
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Speaker 2: Stay tuner.

470
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Speaker 1: You think we should call call Billy garn right now

471
00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:33,119
Speaker 1: on the just to get him going during that break.

472
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Speaker 1: Two more US goals, as many of you probably know.

473
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Speaker 1: First Jack Hughes makes a three to zero nice shot.

474
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Speaker 1: Then your guy iicel. We didn't need him for nothing.

475
00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:52,400
Speaker 1: It's turning into a semi laugher goaltender pulled for Slovakia.

476
00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:53,960
Speaker 2: Wow, and.

477
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Speaker 1: We're in very good position to get the matchup. Same

478
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Speaker 1: matchup obviously in the women's game for the gold medal,

479
00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:09,160
Speaker 1: United States of America versus Canada. Now what's going on here?

480
00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:13,040
Speaker 1: Is another We got another major, another penalty. Looks to

481
00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:16,480
Speaker 1: me like maybe you're starting to unravel. Yeah, it looks

482
00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:20,840
Speaker 1: to me like they're starting to bring this thing apart. Well,

483
00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:23,840
Speaker 1: I get in trouble if I say, at least so

484
00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:27,880
Speaker 1: far on the injury front, we're doing fine. Minnesota while

485
00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:30,359
Speaker 1: is doing fine. Yeah, don't jinx it, even though I

486
00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:32,160
Speaker 1: don't believe in jinx is. But it's funny you say

487
00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:35,000
Speaker 1: that because it's exactly what I was just thinking of yeah,

488
00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:39,360
Speaker 1: you're up four zero, game probably over. You still got

489
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Speaker 1: twenty ish minutes to play. Everybody, just stay healthy, please.

490
00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:42,680
Speaker 2: Yeah.

491
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Speaker 1: The problem is it's not like you know, like in

492
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Speaker 1: a regular season game in basketball, you can pull your starter.

493
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Speaker 2: That's it. You can't put Taliburton in like that was

494
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Speaker 2: the joke we used last week.

495
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Speaker 1: You can't do that. You can't play your bench. Yes,

496
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Speaker 1: as much, hun true, JJ, don't sell yourself. Sure you

497
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:04,000
Speaker 1: at least have a few chives sprinkled on top of

498
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Speaker 1: the analogy.

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00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:09,480
Speaker 2: Sour cream that probably did indeed make some sense.

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00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:13,920
Speaker 1: So for nothing, And as I mentioned, I have made

501
00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:18,080
Speaker 1: contact with garn earlier today, hoping that in doing so

502
00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:21,200
Speaker 1: I softened him up for an apparent for an eventual

503
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Speaker 1: appearance on the show later. I would take Sunday, but

504
00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:28,920
Speaker 1: I'm afraid to wait because it was Sunday would have

505
00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:31,919
Speaker 1: to be after the game, and we don't know that

506
00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:33,639
Speaker 1: they're going to win that game. They might and then

507
00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:36,080
Speaker 1: it would be even better. Here's here's the home run.

508
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:40,159
Speaker 1: We get them today after victory, I get them on

509
00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:42,960
Speaker 1: sermons after winning the gold Why not both?

510
00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:44,679
Speaker 2: If you're Garin, why wouldn't you?

511
00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:47,880
Speaker 1: I mean you know we we're your Minnesota wild station

512
00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:52,680
Speaker 1: when it comes to a wild positivity. I'm the biggest

513
00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:55,560
Speaker 1: wild cheerleader in the in the entire metropolitanis.

514
00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:59,280
Speaker 2: So we'll see if hopefully we get that done and we.

515
00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:02,399
Speaker 1: Are back on the power player even really do we

516
00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:03,960
Speaker 1: even want to try to score right now? I think

517
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:06,840
Speaker 1: we just hold the puck and get don't get hurt,

518
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:07,600
Speaker 1: don't go in.

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00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:09,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree to.

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00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:11,320
Speaker 1: We're going to get cross checked in then we don't

521
00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:13,520
Speaker 1: want any cheap shots either, do we clean?

522
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:16,520
Speaker 2: Hughes just wants to. Yeah, Hell, why wouldn't. He's got

523
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:18,320
Speaker 2: at him. He's he's in.

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Speaker 1: He knows he's on a team that can win the

525
00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:24,240
Speaker 1: Cup this year. He's inspired, energized, is exactly energized.

526
00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:26,720
Speaker 2: He took a picture of his brother and Tom Brady yesterday.

527
00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:29,600
Speaker 1: Was Iowa wild guy in net today to start for Slovaki?

528
00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:31,879
Speaker 1: Will you double check who started for Slovakia today?

529
00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:32,280
Speaker 2: Sure?

530
00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:39,760
Speaker 1: Because I don't know where were we all? So we

531
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:44,040
Speaker 1: talked was it two days ago? About the UH and

532
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:46,080
Speaker 1: we were late to get to it. Actually, the Alec

533
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:50,040
Speaker 1: Lewis story that got a lot of attention, not just

534
00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:53,840
Speaker 1: here but nationally that according to his reporting.

535
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Speaker 2: In order to.

536
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Speaker 1: Not stress the brain or the arm of JJ McCarthy,

537
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:10,200
Speaker 1: we essentially eliminated the over the middle pass. Excuse me,

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00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:13,760
Speaker 1: the gin of itself is beyond frightening. It is Iowa

539
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:15,960
Speaker 1: wild guy that we chased by the way we chased him. Okay,

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00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:21,200
Speaker 1: good enough? Whose name I still can't pronounce? Well, youre

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Speaker 1: familiar with? Is it? His last name is Sharp? What's

542
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:26,600
Speaker 1: his first name? He's a football guy? Oh yeah, is

543
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:28,239
Speaker 1: it Warren Sharp? Warren Sharp? Thank you?

544
00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:29,160
Speaker 2: That's exactly right.

545
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:33,320
Speaker 1: So he has drilled down beyond where Alec Lewis went.

546
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:36,760
Speaker 1: Oh no on some of the stats. This is going

547
00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:39,280
Speaker 1: to make you feel even worse, there's no question. Yeah,

548
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:44,600
Speaker 1: example in nineteen twenty, nineteen twenty four, in twenty twenty four,

549
00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:48,880
Speaker 1: so that was last you know, the Darnal season.

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00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:49,760
Speaker 2: Yep.

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00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:53,560
Speaker 1: Fifty percent of Sam Darnold's passes for the Vikings offense

552
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:57,760
Speaker 1: were thrown between the numbers half balls that ranked nineteenth

553
00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:02,560
Speaker 1: highest to forty seven quarterbacks in twenty twenty five. Vikings

554
00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:05,320
Speaker 1: intentionally removed most of their over the middle passing concepts

555
00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:09,560
Speaker 1: to keep the quote line of sight as simple as possible.

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Speaker 2: End quote for JJ McCarthy.

557
00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:17,280
Speaker 1: As such, only thirty eight percent of McCarthy's attempts were

558
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Speaker 1: thrown between the numbers, which ranked number forty two out

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Speaker 1: of forty five quarterbacks forty second out of forty five quarterbacks.

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00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:32,400
Speaker 1: On the passes that he did throw between the numbers

561
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Speaker 1: in twenty twenty five, as rare as it was, JJ

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00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:43,840
Speaker 1: McCarthy's accuracy rate was forty third, his completion rate forty third,

563
00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:48,160
Speaker 1: his EPA per attempt forty second, and his success rate

564
00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:54,520
Speaker 1: ranked thirty seventh. His interception rate between the hashes I

565
00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:56,600
Speaker 1: guess one could say or over the middle was the

566
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Speaker 1: highest in the NFL at seven point one percent. His

567
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:05,760
Speaker 1: touchdown to interception ratio was forty second in the league. Meanwhile,

568
00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:10,600
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty four, over the middle, Darnold number four

569
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Speaker 1: in yards per tenp number five and success rate number ten,

570
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:19,640
Speaker 1: and EPA at number fourteen in completion rate. The other

571
00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:25,560
Speaker 1: kicker to this, according to Sharp, is well, the more

572
00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:28,280
Speaker 1: of the story is, it's what he believes. It's one

573
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:31,400
Speaker 1: of the strengths of the Koc offense. And if you

574
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:35,040
Speaker 1: take that away, obviously you're taking away a significant amount

575
00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:37,440
Speaker 1: of what he has been able to build and to

576
00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:38,240
Speaker 1: bring to the table.

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00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:43,600
Speaker 2: Two other kickers. One, it appears the Vikings.

578
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:49,080
Speaker 1: Remove those concepts only in JJ McCarthy's games, Carson wentz

579
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Speaker 1: through forty seven percent of his attempts between the numbers

580
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 1: and met your guy, Max Brosmer. Yeah, through fifty two

581
00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:59,400
Speaker 1: percent of attempts. He lost in the middle the numbers

582
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:02,720
Speaker 1: Dorothy down at thirty eight percent, well below the average.

583
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:04,000
Speaker 2: Here's the other kicker.

584
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:08,680
Speaker 1: He's saying that for the season, the Vikings played only

585
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Speaker 1: seven games against teams with top twelve ranked pass defenses.

586
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:14,480
Speaker 2: That was against the.

587
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:21,440
Speaker 1: Steelers, the Browns, the Eagles, the Chargers, the Lions, the Seahawks,

588
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:26,320
Speaker 1: and the Lions. Amazingly, he reports, McCarthy started only one

589
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:32,480
Speaker 1: of these games, seeming to start games against poor pass defenses,

590
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:35,920
Speaker 1: missing those against the toughest opponents, and he still had

591
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:40,920
Speaker 1: historically bad numbers. Other than that, how's the play? The

592
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:43,760
Speaker 1: more I read, the more I think we better cut him.

593
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:48,000
Speaker 1: Just cut him, Let's just release some what's doing he's

594
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:52,160
Speaker 1: I don't think he's committed yet to for sure to Pittsburgh.

595
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:54,280
Speaker 1: I mean, I think he consider a bidding war. I'm

596
00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:58,160
Speaker 1: not sure it all kidding aside again, you can't give

597
00:32:58,240 --> 00:32:59,360
Speaker 1: up on JJ McCarthy.

598
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:02,000
Speaker 2: Obviously, that's foolish, reckless.

599
00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:04,920
Speaker 1: And you know and I know that if he goes

600
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:07,600
Speaker 1: someplace else, he's gonna end up being a top ten quarterback.

601
00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:09,520
Speaker 1: It's as simple as that, right, That's vikings That's the

602
00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:10,720
Speaker 1: way it works in Vikings Land.

603
00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:15,080
Speaker 2: It seems like it often. Did we score again? I'm

604
00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:15,520
Speaker 2: not sure?

605
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:15,920
Speaker 1: Five?

606
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:21,360
Speaker 2: Nothing. I was looking at you. It was up, oh man, juice,

607
00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:22,080
Speaker 2: that was wide?

608
00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:25,000
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, so it's five, but it's five, Yeah, it's five.

609
00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:27,080
Speaker 1: But then we missed a gol, didn't we We did, yeah,

610
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:28,760
Speaker 1: because it was the last one I had. Ico made

611
00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:33,200
Speaker 1: it four, right, So we missed another goal? Power play

612
00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:41,080
Speaker 1: forty one? Donut I know, damn oh Man. Anyway, I'm

613
00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:43,000
Speaker 1: just here to give you the numbers and we can

614
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:45,560
Speaker 1: all decide. I just found it interesting that another a

615
00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:51,000
Speaker 1: national Jackal kind of dug even deeper than the local

616
00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:55,920
Speaker 1: Jackal to build on what Lewis had established. Ye and

617
00:33:56,040 --> 00:34:01,560
Speaker 1: none of these number these are again alarming numbers. That

618
00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:04,680
Speaker 1: doesn't mean he can't get better, but there aren't very

619
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Speaker 1: many quarterbacks with numbers. I'm talking about young quarterbacks who

620
00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:14,400
Speaker 1: early while they struggled had numbers as alarming across the

621
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Speaker 1: board as McCarthy has had. So we're back to what

622
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:21,279
Speaker 1: we already know. We're going to get another quarterback, we think,

623
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Speaker 1: and you know, it's a matter of who that's going

624
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:25,200
Speaker 1: to be and whether we're going to be happy. There's

625
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:28,919
Speaker 1: growing steam for your guy, the guy you have from

626
00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:32,240
Speaker 1: the beginning said you wanted here, so I hope you're happy,

627
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:36,239
Speaker 1: which one Kyler Murray, oh boy, even on him from

628
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:37,560
Speaker 1: the beginning. Oh his face.

629
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Speaker 2: It's a fascinating talent. Remember, And we didn't know if

630
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:42,080
Speaker 2: he was going to play fooball or baseball. Remember that.

631
00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:43,920
Speaker 2: I do remember that that was a big deal. But

632
00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:46,680
Speaker 2: isn't he the guy who doesn't like to study? Or

633
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:48,040
Speaker 2: was that trumped up?

634
00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:51,640
Speaker 1: Well, allegedly there was the somebody did a story about

635
00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:54,080
Speaker 1: when a new video game was dropped every year, how

636
00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:58,600
Speaker 1: is production was before the video game and then immediately after? Yeah,

637
00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:01,719
Speaker 1: which those are some tough animal. It's tough to have

638
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:06,840
Speaker 1: that like, yeah, even rumored, Yeah, even wondered about that's true.

639
00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:09,920
Speaker 2: I what you're saying now though, go ahead, no, you

640
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:10,399
Speaker 2: go no.

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00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:14,000
Speaker 1: It's just the reason it's so defeating is because as

642
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:16,279
Speaker 1: we mentioned I'm forty three years old. Yeah, you were

643
00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:19,399
Speaker 1: hoping this was it in my life. Yeah, you haven't

644
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:23,920
Speaker 1: asked for much. They've never had like a consistent starting

645
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:27,920
Speaker 1: quarterback for like four years or five years. No, that

646
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:30,440
Speaker 1: you can just count on as being not even great,

647
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:33,480
Speaker 1: but just get good. Look at let's go backwards a

648
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:36,759
Speaker 1: little bit and if you think about that, go all

649
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 1: the way back to Denny. Yes, in nineteen ninety eight,

650
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:43,560
Speaker 1: you had exactly one great year with Randall Cunningham.

651
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:45,759
Speaker 2: That's how long it last year? Yes, one great year.

652
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:52,800
Speaker 1: You had one seismic year with case Keenum, right, yeah,

653
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Speaker 1: that's it.

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Speaker 2: Brett fav you had one year with Brett Farv. Who

655
00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:58,759
Speaker 2: are we forgetting every time they had a great year

656
00:35:58,800 --> 00:35:59,960
Speaker 2: that got to her? Yeah, and then you got her.

657
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:04,640
Speaker 1: So you are literally correct the idea that it could

658
00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:06,640
Speaker 1: be stretched out. Oh you know, he just had a

659
00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:10,520
Speaker 1: spectacular season. What can we expect the next year? The

660
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:14,879
Speaker 1: answer is almost nothing. Car was disastrous in his second year.

661
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:17,560
Speaker 1: Right to beg him to come back, Honeyham. He started

662
00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:20,400
Speaker 1: the next year as the starter, didn't he and then struggled.

663
00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:21,799
Speaker 2: Jeff George had to come, and then.

664
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Speaker 1: Jeff George had to come in until he got in

665
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:26,440
Speaker 1: trouble for running the other way when he was supposed

666
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:28,960
Speaker 1: to go after a fumble in the playoffs. In the playoffs,

667
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:32,239
Speaker 1: Keenum wasn't given a chance to and it wasn't like

668
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:33,880
Speaker 1: where he went he dominated.

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Speaker 2: I agree with that too.

670
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:37,759
Speaker 1: So yeah, to your point, it has literally been one

671
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:43,200
Speaker 1: several spectacular seasons. And what that's what you know that's

672
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:44,800
Speaker 1: usually supposed to mean, is well, you could.

673
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:46,520
Speaker 2: At least milk one more year out of that.

674
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:51,040
Speaker 1: Right now, maybe you could say Cousins, but I don't

675
00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:53,319
Speaker 1: know that he's ever had one season i'd call spectacular.

676
00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:56,120
Speaker 1: Maybe he was on his way to his most spectacular

677
00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:59,080
Speaker 1: year and he got the Achilles. The Achilles happened with

678
00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:02,279
Speaker 1: the Vikings. I think twenty four to three. That was

679
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:05,640
Speaker 1: Green Bag at Lambeau Field, right, yeah, because I remember

680
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:09,520
Speaker 1: that day. I was mowing my lawn listening to the game.

681
00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:13,680
Speaker 1: After we'd got I'm saying, we we got the turnover,

682
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:16,400
Speaker 1: Cousins went up top to Addison and there were just

683
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:20,000
Speaker 1: laughed dancing all over Lambeau like we did the Monday

684
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:21,719
Speaker 1: night game. You were at the Randy Moss game, and

685
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:26,239
Speaker 1: I'm thinking this is unbelievable. It's Koca, Kirk, Cousins, your

686
00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:28,120
Speaker 1: two in the system, all that stuff.

687
00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:30,319
Speaker 2: It's man, he got the look on that as that

688
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:31,839
Speaker 2: look on his face like he knew it was over.

689
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:36,120
Speaker 2: And then it's the Achilles. Yeah, it's crazy. It's crazy.

690
00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:38,719
Speaker 1: So like what you're saying with the JJ suff like,

691
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:41,920
Speaker 1: the reason I bring it up is because it almost

692
00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:43,360
Speaker 1: doesn't even affect me.

693
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:45,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, because you're so used to it. It's just like

694
00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:47,200
Speaker 2: this is so worn over.

695
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:53,040
Speaker 1: But here's the problem is the examples we've used, we

696
00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:56,880
Speaker 1: haven't even had the spectacular season yet from JJ to C.

697
00:37:57,040 --> 00:37:58,279
Speaker 2: Can we have a second year? Right?

698
00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:00,879
Speaker 1: First, we got to get to one expected. How about

699
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:02,960
Speaker 1: one year where he plays the whole time? No, yeah,

700
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:06,440
Speaker 1: that's also part of the issue. Man, this is vicious,

701
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:07,000
Speaker 1: but I have to.

702
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:10,279
Speaker 2: I have to. I have to use it. I have to.

703
00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:15,640
Speaker 1: Did they eliminate all downfield passes in Brosmer's case? Come

704
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:19,360
Speaker 1: on out of this. I mean, it's a good shot,

705
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:23,319
Speaker 1: you gotta admit. I mean, I'm surprised there wasn't more

706
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:25,400
Speaker 1: because obviously for Max it did not go over it.

707
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:27,680
Speaker 1: Actually think Brosmer is going to as you this will

708
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:29,440
Speaker 1: shock you Brozemer is the one we're going to let go,

709
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:30,920
Speaker 1: and he's going to be the guy that's gonna be

710
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:32,080
Speaker 1: the year somewhere.

711
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:35,600
Speaker 2: He's going to be the guy somewhere. This is going

712
00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:36,680
Speaker 2: to annoy you even more.

713
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:38,759
Speaker 1: I hate to talk well with Sean Payton, but I'd

714
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:40,400
Speaker 1: be curious to see the breakdown of play calls in

715
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:42,960
Speaker 1: Nick's first ten games or so. Heard a lot about

716
00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:46,520
Speaker 1: how he started real simple and added new stuff each week. So, yeah,

717
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:48,680
Speaker 1: did he did bo Nicks throw over the middle?

718
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:50,560
Speaker 2: Probably? That eliminated probably?

719
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:54,239
Speaker 1: And but to that Texter's point, Yeah, And as much

720
00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:56,920
Speaker 1: as I hate Sean Payton, there's no doubt he handled

721
00:38:56,920 --> 00:38:59,400
Speaker 1: bow Knicks better than J. J. McCartney has been handled

722
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:02,200
Speaker 1: here even be argued now he might be better in fairness,

723
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:05,520
Speaker 1: though he could also say there was nothing to handle

724
00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:07,759
Speaker 1: his first year once he got hurt, right, I mean,

725
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:11,400
Speaker 1: Nicks at least stayed healthy. But there is no arguing

726
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:15,400
Speaker 1: so to this point, what how much they've gotten out

727
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:17,479
Speaker 1: of Nicks that this coach has gotten out of Nicks? Now, again,

728
00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:20,719
Speaker 1: his regular season stats QBR rated. I don't think his

729
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:23,880
Speaker 1: ratings are that great, but you could see a kernel

730
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:26,920
Speaker 1: of something and it did look like they weren't always

731
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:30,360
Speaker 1: asking him to do a great deal. Although in the

732
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:32,239
Speaker 1: game he got hurt, I mean he led him on

733
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:35,200
Speaker 1: the game winning drive. He threw actually very very well.

734
00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:38,520
Speaker 1: The anti Vike was praised for this for this wisdom

735
00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:40,600
Speaker 1: of the time. JJ's injury ridden first few years made

736
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:42,960
Speaker 1: those midseason games essentially some of his first starts in

737
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:44,960
Speaker 1: the NFL. And all the talk when he was first

738
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:47,000
Speaker 1: starting with how they were not dumbing down the playbook

739
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:49,839
Speaker 1: for him, but then he struggled, they pulled back. Makes

740
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:52,359
Speaker 1: me wonder about Kosc's quote about how organizations let down

741
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:55,120
Speaker 1: these top drafted players more than vice versa. Well, that's

742
00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:58,000
Speaker 1: going to be the long form story done eventually, depending

743
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:00,960
Speaker 1: on how it comes out. We're going to look back

744
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:04,080
Speaker 1: on it and say, because there is one other possibility

745
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:08,840
Speaker 1: when it comes to that cliche that I think Koc

746
00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:11,279
Speaker 1: now on the competition committee. By the way, did you

747
00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:14,440
Speaker 1: see that he is now a member of the NFL

748
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:20,880
Speaker 1: competition committee, That cliche about, you know, organizations, quarterbacks more

749
00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:25,200
Speaker 1: than quarterbacks fail organizations. There is the possibility in this

750
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:30,640
Speaker 1: case that he's just not that good. He's the classic

751
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:35,480
Speaker 1: terrific college player perfectly suited for the system he was

752
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:39,839
Speaker 1: in No apologies needed for that, but just isn't that good.

753
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:42,040
Speaker 1: It may in the end not just be on the

754
00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:46,120
Speaker 1: quarterback whisperer, although I do think will all agree that

755
00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:47,920
Speaker 1: the approach he took because.

756
00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:47,960
Speaker 2: To me.

757
00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:51,520
Speaker 1: Maybe felt like he had to do what he did

758
00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:55,560
Speaker 1: regarding throwing over the middle. I just wanted quicker stuff thrown,

759
00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:59,400
Speaker 1: and I just wanted the running game to be more

760
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:02,680
Speaker 1: than some thing that the head coach was forced to

761
00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:06,640
Speaker 1: go to. I saw it over and over again in

762
00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 1: Chicago with a with obviously a quarterback who really improved

763
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:13,360
Speaker 1: in his second year, and that was we're not afraid

764
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:15,640
Speaker 1: to we're not afraid to handle ball off on second

765
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:17,759
Speaker 1: and one, and we're not afraid to handle ball off

766
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:20,800
Speaker 1: on second and ten. And I get you got to

767
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:24,600
Speaker 1: play your strengths, but I still think that's that's an

768
00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:27,000
Speaker 1: area where the head coach did not do very well.

769
00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:30,400
Speaker 1: And I think his admission is they are going to

770
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:34,120
Speaker 1: try to find another alternative, another guy who can throw

771
00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:37,520
Speaker 1: over the middle occasionally a little and when he does

772
00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:40,320
Speaker 1: throw over the middle, throw a little better than apparently

773
00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:44,840
Speaker 1: with layers, with layers, Yeah, with layers, because touch touches

774
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:47,080
Speaker 1: a big part of it as well. Yeah, touch goes

775
00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:50,759
Speaker 1: into layering, layer it over a linebacker in front of

776
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:53,560
Speaker 1: a safety, that whole thing. Maybe trade JJ to the

777
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:55,120
Speaker 1: forty nine ers and then try to get him back

778
00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:57,440
Speaker 1: in a couple of years. He doesn't mean Jefferson. I

779
00:41:57,440 --> 00:42:01,240
Speaker 1: think he means McCarthy. Yeah, and let him get better there. Yeah,

780
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:04,759
Speaker 1: let's find our next Sam Darnold with JJ McCarthy four years.

781
00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:09,280
Speaker 1: Speaking of quarterbacks, there's a debate that's now breaking out

782
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:13,800
Speaker 1: about what the Raiders should do because the assumption early

783
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:17,400
Speaker 1: was They're going to take Mendoza from Indiana from Indiana

784
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:22,239
Speaker 1: and Heceman Trophy winner exactly. Now though it's well, you know,

785
00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:26,319
Speaker 1: first of all, the Raiders are better off trading the

786
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:31,520
Speaker 1: pick because they need about nine things. Secondly, is he

787
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:34,640
Speaker 1: that good at the pro level? Will he be that

788
00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:38,200
Speaker 1: good at the pro level? Is he athletic enough at

789
00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:41,480
Speaker 1: the pro level? I'll just tell you, And I maybe

790
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:43,600
Speaker 1: I am biased at this point because I've won, not

791
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:45,719
Speaker 1: because they went to Indiana, because I've watched him so much.

792
00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:49,880
Speaker 1: I take him. Now you could say, well, are you

793
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:52,160
Speaker 1: going to with the Raiders? Is gonna have a chance

794
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:54,000
Speaker 1: he's gonna get he's gonna get his head bashed in.

795
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:55,720
Speaker 2: That's possible.

796
00:42:55,719 --> 00:42:57,719
Speaker 1: I don't know much about their offensive line and what

797
00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:00,600
Speaker 1: you know, they've got some weapons offensively lading the running

798
00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:02,920
Speaker 1: back I think was kind of under used last year.

799
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:07,000
Speaker 2: The is it the Boise State kid? Oh? Yep? I

800
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:09,120
Speaker 2: think his arm is big league for sure.

801
00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:12,319
Speaker 1: And I think how many, I mean, how often do

802
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:15,720
Speaker 1: we have to have these examples of qbs who aren't

803
00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:19,600
Speaker 1: maybe as athletically gifted, but who have great arms and

804
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:21,360
Speaker 1: just know how to get the ball from point A

805
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:23,840
Speaker 1: to point B. There's a lot of ways to be

806
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:27,720
Speaker 1: a good quarterback in twenty twenty five. Obviously, the whole package,

807
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:32,440
Speaker 1: the way it reveals itself in Caleb Williams is you

808
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:35,200
Speaker 1: know perfect, one could say. Or the kid from Washington

809
00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:38,799
Speaker 1: even though he took a step back, but I think

810
00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:42,560
Speaker 1: we still see well. I heard it was your guy.

811
00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:45,399
Speaker 1: Who's the guy with the hair? Mel Kuyper. The hair

812
00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:52,040
Speaker 1: Kuiper said it's it may be PST material for some people,

813
00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:55,920
Speaker 1: but he said, if you get hung up on overall

814
00:43:56,080 --> 00:44:00,520
Speaker 1: talent on that basis again, you're drafting Tom Brady in rounds.

815
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:03,160
Speaker 1: He said, you know what there are a lot of

816
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:06,239
Speaker 1: ways to be successful, and I just think he does

817
00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:07,600
Speaker 1: have I think a gifted arm.

818
00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:08,880
Speaker 2: Somebody else doesn't think so.

819
00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:10,560
Speaker 1: I saw one of the scouting reports that it's his

820
00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:17,000
Speaker 1: arm is slightly less good or less live than golf,

821
00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:20,719
Speaker 1: which I don't. That's not what I saw. I saw

822
00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:23,759
Speaker 1: some deep outs to the sidelines from him. I thought

823
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:25,239
Speaker 1: he had a really good arm. But we'll see, We'll

824
00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:26,840
Speaker 1: see how that thing goes. I would not think it

825
00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:29,160
Speaker 1: was Mendoza. I I don't think you do. And again,

826
00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:32,239
Speaker 1: there is there's no such thing as a guarantee. But

827
00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:36,319
Speaker 1: I think he can make if I you know, like

828
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:40,840
Speaker 1: Tebow is a guy they could say, okay, in college

829
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:45,280
Speaker 1: he was a winner, But would his arm actually allow

830
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:49,040
Speaker 1: him to make forget mobility, would his arm allow him

831
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:50,359
Speaker 1: to make some of the throws he needs to make?

832
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:51,360
Speaker 2: I think the answer was no.

833
00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:54,359
Speaker 1: Ultimately, Yep, this guy's got a really good live arm

834
00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:57,120
Speaker 1: as far as i'm concert. Plus he's fairly big. All right,

835
00:44:57,160 --> 00:45:00,400
Speaker 1: top of the hour, pause, Lavelle in about ninety. Unless

836
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:02,840
Speaker 1: he decides to surprise us, he will not be coming in.

837
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:03,760
Speaker 2: What's that about?

838
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:06,520
Speaker 1: He's working on his Sunday column right now. We'll work

839
00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:08,920
Speaker 1: on it after Oh, he's got to get it to

840
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:10,359
Speaker 1: the You know, it's why.

841
00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:12,400
Speaker 2: Didn't you work on it earlier? Start your column earlier.

842
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:15,359
Speaker 2: That's what you said before. Ye get the sports pavee.

843
00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:18,520
Speaker 1: That's that's it, all right, we'll make it work somehow,

844
00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:22,680
Speaker 1: some way back for our number two. Uh, the US

845
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:27,839
Speaker 1: up five nothing through two goals in the semifinal game.

846
00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:29,480
Speaker 2: They're on their way to.

847
00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:32,520
Speaker 1: Taking on Canada. Canada, I should say, for the gold

848
00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:33,960
Speaker 1: on Sunday.

849
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:34,520
Speaker 2: Back in a minute,