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Speaker 2: Dial eight three three four one two WXDX, get in

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Speaker 2: What do you think is the one biggest difference between

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Speaker 2: last year's Penguins and this year's Penguins that is making

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Speaker 2: them so good? Sid was quiet again, no points, but

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Speaker 2: they won anyway, and Sid is not going to stay

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Speaker 2: quiet forever. The Penguins were what like seven to one

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Speaker 2: and one after the Christmas no better than that. And

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Speaker 2: they're just arriving early. That's the best way I could

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Speaker 2: put it without being overly optimistic, which I still refuse

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Speaker 1: They're arriving early.

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Speaker 2: Those calls in eight three to three, four one two wsdx,

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Speaker 2: and we got the Super Bowl. Seattle is going to

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Speaker 2: him talk. He's like jet throw bo Dean, come and

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Speaker 2: listen to him. A story about a man named jed Uh.

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Speaker 2: You know, if New England wins, they're the best football

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Speaker 2: franchise of all time, right, not Hayting, just saying we

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Speaker 2: were talking earlier, me and Tom. I would love to

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Speaker 2: my best against your best. That will go a long

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Speaker 1: That again, you people don't know the freaking difference. You

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Speaker 2: The game's always been mostly about winning, but now it's

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Speaker 2: comes so much. Who's that old fat bald guy. Some

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Speaker 2: winning has totally enveloped and overshadowed and eliminated any sense

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Speaker 2: I want to see the jigba Smith against Smith, the

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Speaker 1: Anybody hear the Emma Smith rant.

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Speaker 2: He went on this rant about how Cleveland is screwing

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Speaker 2: Shador Sanders and should name Chador the starting quarterback, just

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Speaker 2: like New England handed the quarterback job to Drake May.

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Speaker 2: He really said that he was comparing Shador Sanders to

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Speaker 2: Come and get some, uh, by the way, I would

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Speaker 2: like I would like to know what you think of

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Speaker 2: Stole from Dana Carvey.

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Speaker 2: I'm not saying it right. Let me try again. Come

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Speaker 2: little deeper, little raspier. So your thoughts in the super Bowl,

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Speaker 2: your thoughts in the Penguins. Let's talk penguins. And then

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Speaker 2: we got the Hall of Fame. Five guys got in

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Speaker 2: witness protection of inn A Terry. He shouldn't make it

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Speaker 1: He didn't make it for decades? Why now?

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Speaker 2: Elsie Greenwood didn't make it for decades? Didn't now either?

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Speaker 2: Why is that a big deal? Why is he getting robbed?

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Speaker 1: They're gonna make us play a wild game. It's not fair.

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Speaker 3: It's not fair.

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Speaker 1: It's not fair the exit. I meant what I said earlier.

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Speaker 2: If New England wins on Sunday, they're the best football

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Speaker 2: I don't see the value of Art not winning a

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Speaker 2: time for calls on the Fifteen's brought to you by

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Speaker 2: enough money. Let's go to John John your own double M.

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Speaker 4: Great Mark, thanks for having me. Great Penguin game last night,

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Speaker 5: I think to answer your question, the biggest.

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Speaker 4: Change I've seen last year to this year is that

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Speaker 2: No. Muse is doing a much better job this year

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Speaker 1: Sullivan only knows one way to coach.

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Speaker 2: He doesn't coach to his talent, He coaches to his preference,

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Speaker 2: whereas Muse just figured out what he had and has

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Speaker 2: who calls himself Rebenga. Rebenga, you're on with double M.

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Speaker 6: So, I'm a life long Steeler fan and I never

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Speaker 6: I'm kind of rooting for the Patriots to win the

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Speaker 2: Art will never think beyond the next year, never think

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Speaker 1: That's how he's wired. That's how Dan was wired. It's

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Speaker 2: Might have been Ryan Clark that the Steelers' biggest drink

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Speaker 2: just making the playoffs is good enough for them. They

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Speaker 2: Losing thirty to six against Houston, that's no better than

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Speaker 1: Let's go to Dave. Dave, you're on with.

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Speaker 7: Mark, Hey, Mark, check it out. You're saying about the

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Speaker 7: biggest changes on the Penguins, and there was a lot.

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Speaker 7: I agree, But the thing that stands out to me

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Speaker 7: Gino by now this time of year has already fizzled out.

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Speaker 7: But now that he has China Koff, it's like he

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Speaker 2: I don't think that's just because of Chinacoff, Dave. I

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Speaker 2: think it's because he wants to play again next year

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Speaker 2: cut point of view, is not a FATA complee. It's

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Speaker 2: Chinakov has made a difference, no question about that. But

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Speaker 2: I think Geno's outlook has become more pragmatic as befits

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Speaker 1: to Tim Benz.

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Speaker 2: It's the mark Man Show one oh five to nine.

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Speaker 1: Hey, find yourself needing a little post holiday.

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Speaker 2: Nine super Bowl on Sunday. Penguins with a big win

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Speaker 2: last night. Not every stealer from the seventies is gonna

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Speaker 2: make the Hall of Fame Apparently joining me now to

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Speaker 2: talk about it all is Tim Benz. Tim, let's get

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Speaker 2: a brief synopsis of your Hall of Fame. Thoughts Greenwood's

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Speaker 1: But I just have a feeling he might not.

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Speaker 5: He screwed that up for himself, or at least stats wise,

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Speaker 3: Brown should get in.

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Speaker 3: How about you?

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Speaker 2: I think ab should because he's the best receiver of

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Speaker 3: Absolutely they would.

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Speaker 5: And if we're moralizing, are we moralizing with Ben as

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Speaker 5: you think that's water under the bridge to the voters.

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Speaker 1: That's a good question.

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Speaker 2: I don't know, I mean, to be honest him, I

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Speaker 5: Exactly? And you know, I guess I brought up the

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Speaker 1: Again? I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I can't believe the Ben thing would stick

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Speaker 5: But you don't know, well, I don't think it would

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Speaker 5: not to the extent that every other fan of every

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Speaker 5: But there were league sanctions against the franchise, and there

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Speaker 5: were league sanctions against Bens. But now, like, do we

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Speaker 2: We're talking to Tim. Ben's a the trip here on

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Speaker 2: the mark Man showed Tim. Let's move on to the Penguins.

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Speaker 2: I thought they looked real good at Buffalo. I mean,

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Speaker 5: Team, and I think they needed that. They didn't want

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Speaker 3: And oh, by the way, as we get to the

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Speaker 5: It might not be the worst thing in the world

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Speaker 3: So perhaps they cool off some.

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Speaker 5: Because I think you and I are on the same

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Speaker 3: You better damn well hold on to that.

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Speaker 5: Second or third spot in the Metro if you're gonna

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Speaker 2: Tim, I think you got to finish second or third

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Like, you know, you're certainly

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Speaker 5: I mean, it's not that hard to fall out of

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Speaker 2: I've been asking the citizens, Tim, what's the biggest difference

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Speaker 5: I think willingness to accept and listen to coaching. More broadly,

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Speaker 3: Are having career years.

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Speaker 5: You're not going to get this again from Connor Duer

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Speaker 5: And then again, like I said, the great Irony as

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Speaker 2: Well, I think the adherence to structure is huge, and

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Speaker 2: I think News is figure out what his talent has,

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Speaker 5: I think largely over to the individuals. Sure are they

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Speaker 3: Now, you know, one thing I'd.

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Speaker 5: Be very interested in seeing is how Sig comes out

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Speaker 3: I've heard some of your comments.

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Speaker 2: No, he's been very quiet for quite a few games now.

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Speaker 5: Yes, exactly, And well, I do think that game against

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Speaker 2: Tim, I want to talk a bit about the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 2: Seattle seems like close to a lock am I overstating

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Speaker 5: I like him. I think I like him at four

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Speaker 5: We've seen in Tennessee, especially when he's had teams that

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Speaker 3: But I do like the Seahawks. I like their defense

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Speaker 5: May has been sacked I think fifteen times in the postseason.

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Speaker 5: I think they'll lead to a turnover to The biggest

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he turned the ball over what was at fourteen

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Speaker 1: Either.

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Speaker 2: Think he's an intriguing story, and it becomes even more

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Speaker 5: I think sometimes you can just be a late bloomer.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 5: he's got a Kubiak that he's working with now, so

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Speaker 5: I think those things have certainly helped him. He had

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Speaker 5: really good receivers to work with in Minnesota. He might

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Speaker 5: have the best in the business right now to work

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Speaker 5: with at JSN. Honestly, Mark, I think the most intriguing

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Speaker 5: matchup on the board. I'm not being original in my

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Speaker 5: thought here. A lot of people have said this, but

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Speaker 5: I can't wait to see how the Patriots handled JSN,

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Speaker 5: particularly if they put Gonzales on him. Like I was

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Speaker 5: looking at some of the Super Bowl props. I even

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Speaker 5: wrote this today for an annual props column that I

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Speaker 5: put out there. You could convince me very easily that

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Speaker 5: JSN is going to be the Super Bowl MVP. And

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Speaker 5: you could also very easily convince me that he's not

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Speaker 5: going to get.

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Speaker 3: To his over under total of ninety three.

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Speaker 5: Like, both of those things could happen, And a lot

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Speaker 5: of that might be because Gonzales is on him. And

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Speaker 5: you know, if Donald feels compelled to have to force

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Speaker 5: the ball to JSN and Gonzalez is doing a good

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Speaker 5: job and they disguise some coverage on him, that could

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Speaker 5: be where Donald screws up.

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Speaker 3: I'm not betting on it. I'm just saying that could

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Speaker 3: be the hitch that tilts it in the Patriots favor.

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Speaker 2: Well, you see, if I'm the Patriots, I think the

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Speaker 2: most logical thing in the world is to put Gonzalez

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Speaker 2: on on Jackson Smith Nijigba. But I wonder if they

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Speaker 2: might go a different direction because Gonzalez normally lines up

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Speaker 2: in the slots a lot. Coaches like the I'll think themselves,

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Speaker 2: you know, we know that they know that, we know

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Speaker 2: that they know. I think it's a much better bet

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Speaker 2: for the Patriots to put Gonzalez on JSN.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know.

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Speaker 5: The Patriots, of course in the Belichick era were the Kings.

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Speaker 5: And this is back I believe when Rabel was on

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Speaker 5: the staff early on before he went to Tennessee. But

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Speaker 5: you know, they they were the Kings of take the

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Speaker 5: number two receiver out by having Revas play one on

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Speaker 5: one against them and then bracket with you know, I

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Speaker 5: guess it was Browner one year and mccordy at safety

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Speaker 5: or something like that, bracket the number one guy with

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Speaker 5: two guys constantly double cover the one guy that have

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Speaker 5: revs take away the number two guy. They did that

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Speaker 5: for a year and beat the Seahawks and Super Bowls.

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Speaker 5: It turned out, you know, they were great at that

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Speaker 5: and when he had the horses, Belichick in the secondary

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Speaker 5: would do that with other guys too, not just as

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Speaker 5: dynamic as Rivis for that brief common flash that they

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Speaker 5: had with him. So maybe Rabel tries to do that,

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Speaker 5: but that.

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Speaker 3: Might be out thinking.

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Speaker 5: I think it is out thinking because I don't know

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Speaker 5: otherwide receiver wise, I don't see you seem to be

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Speaker 5: wasting what Gonzales does best of by trying to have

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Speaker 5: him just take out Cooper Cup.

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Speaker 3: That seems self defeating to me. Tim.

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Speaker 2: Before we wrap up, what's your take on how the

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Speaker 2: Steelers coaching staff came together. I look at Baltimore's staff

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Speaker 2: with a bunch of interesting hires, a twenty nine year

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Speaker 2: old offensive coordinator, and I think they're doing the risk

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Speaker 2: of biscuit thing. I respect that more than how safe

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Speaker 2: the Steelers played it.

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Speaker 5: Yes, and I think Jesse Minner has put together the

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Speaker 5: staff that I kind of hope he would have if

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Speaker 5: he had.

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Speaker 3: Been the coach here in Pittsburgh. And I've said to.

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Speaker 5: You that if they were going to go with their book,

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Speaker 5: which previously had been the thirty ish something, never had

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Speaker 5: a job before defensive coordinator, head coaching job before defensive coordinator,

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Speaker 5: then Mincher was my guy of that crop. They talked

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Speaker 5: to a bunch of different guys who were liked that,

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Speaker 5: and I thought Mincher was the best candidate. Turns out

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Speaker 5: he thought enough of and I guess Weaver thinks enough

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Speaker 5: of him to have taken that job in Baltimore. I

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Speaker 5: know he's a former Raven, but maybe he would have

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Speaker 5: done it here in Pittsburgh too, and then you know

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Speaker 5: the rest of the staff that the assembled beyond that.

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Speaker 5: To me, I'm more intrigued by what Baltimore did than

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Speaker 5: what I am by Pittsburgh, because they just hired the

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Speaker 5: closest thing they could find to Mike Tomlin, and that

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Speaker 5: guy just brought together a bunch of his friends. You know,

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Speaker 5: I keep joking about it, and I don't know how

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Speaker 5: much I'm kidding about it. It feels like he assembled this

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Speaker 5: coaching staff from a group text. And what will that

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Speaker 5: get you? It might get you about ten wins and

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Speaker 5: no playoff victories, which is what McCarthy for the most part,

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Speaker 5: has done for the better part of seven years, and

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Speaker 5: certainly what Tomlin did for his last nine.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I mean, and I don't think McCarthy's

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Speaker 2: a bad coach. I just don't think he's a good

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Speaker 2: hire for this situation. They're just running it back with

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Speaker 2: a different mic, with a fat white mic, and and.

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Speaker 1: Again it's designed to go nine to eight.

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Speaker 2: And I would think the New England Patriots with Drake

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Speaker 2: May would have shown to everybody in the value of

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Speaker 2: four and thirteen once in.

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Speaker 5: A while, you know, What was interesting to me is

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Speaker 5: I heard a conversation earlier today and the genesis of

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Speaker 5: it was, you know, maybe it's not the worst thing

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Speaker 5: in the world that the Patriots win the Super Bowl

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Speaker 5: get the seventh Trophy before the Steelers do, and that

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Speaker 5: wakes up Art Ruining the Second. And my response to

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Speaker 5: that is, if ever there was a to be woken up,

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Speaker 5: it's when your coach of nineteen years resigns, your quarterback

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Speaker 5: is forty two and to be let go and in

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Speaker 5: the process of changing the coach or changing the coordinators,

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Speaker 5: and yet he still felt compelled to keep the status chlo.

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Speaker 5: What the Patriots do to surpass the Steelers potentially on

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Speaker 5: Sunday will have absolutely no effect. It will not be

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Speaker 5: a wake up call to Art Rudy the Second anyway,

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Speaker 5: because he thinks.

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Speaker 3: He's living the dream.

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Speaker 5: He's very happy to be constantly above five hundred and

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Speaker 5: in the playoff mix, and anything else after that is

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Speaker 5: a bonus.

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Speaker 1: Tim has always great stuff. Enjoy the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 2: Oh real quick, what is if you had to pick

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Speaker 2: two snacks for the Super Bowl including beverages, what would

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Speaker 2: they be?

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Speaker 1: Beverages?

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Speaker 3: Beer?

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Speaker 5: And you know you can go with Seltzer's I guess

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Speaker 5: would be the other beverage, Dude, is.

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Speaker 1: One beverage one food period beer in.

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Speaker 5: One beverage one food wings and beer.

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Speaker 1: And those are the only two answers. Very good.

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Speaker 2: That's Tim Benz on Mark Man Charlie Batch at the

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